but salamnders are the ones who only have seven companies
#Warhammer and Such
jaunty dawn
thin ibex
Space Wolves were understrength pre-indomitus reinforcements from G-man, most cause they got decimated by the latest machinations of magnus the red
pretty much like immediately prior to getting reinforced
id imagine most chapters that were understrength got reinforced by robby g by now
so id imagine even salamanders got perked back up
pastel rampart
Hard to say if this is chapter tactics or 10,000 years of chapter trauma that they've stuck with.
jaunty dawn
I mean the thing is that salamnders would probably just like
rather have more chapters
like they're the ones who permanently downsized their conception of a chapter
thin ibex
im still tempted to crusade as them isntead of space wolves next time i crusade
bright dove
Don't worry, the Salamanders will be understrength again in no time
ebon forge
That scene was so weird
From the main chapters, I feel like the Imperial Fists are one of the most forgotten ones, mostly becasue the Black Templars are so popular
pastel rampart
In part I think that's because IF are a pain in the ass to paint.
Fucking yellow, man.
ebon forge
more than white?
pastel rampart
Oddly, yes.
floral herald
Up until fairly recently yellow was by fair the hardest color to get even
pastel rampart
Because if you're doing white you can usually just do a white basecoat from a primer or airbrush and be done with it. Yellow needs white first and since the coverage for yellow has historically been awful, you'd need 2, 3, or 4 layers to get it right.
There's been ways to cheat around it, notably with yellow primer, but you'd have to be certain you have paint that matches the primer to cover up any mistakes or else it looks messy.
Thank fucking god we got yellow washes and yellow contrasts now though, it's 1000x easier.
floral herald
Yeah haha
ebon forge
It boggles my mind why so many painter youtubers love to trash talk on contrast and washes...
pastel rampart
I don't see those very often. I'll see reviews between different contrast lines and noting how one might be better than the other or preferred by that painter, but by and large most youtube painters use it.
ebon forge
Then I might need to switch my recommended!
I should go back to painting, been procastinating too much on it
pastel rampart
https://www.youtube.com/@MarcoFrisoniNJM He hasn't been using contrast as much lately but Marco has made good use of it in the past with his speedpainting.
Big trick being zenithal, contrast, and judicious use of oil washes followed up by highlights.
ebon forge
Zenithal has caused me so much pain
Mostly because it took me a good while to discover that mom old airbrush motor was not releasing enough pressured air
thin ibex
ive never used zenithal technique before
but i also don'e have an airbrush or canned black and white
pastel rampart
You can get a close approximation using slapchop.
Which, if you can drybrush you can slapchop
pastel rampart
It's probably the most approachable method of zenithal for anyone without an airbrush and who don't want to (or can't) use two spray cans.
thin ibex
i actually currently only have spray grey and spray silver lol
i might have spray black somewhere though
naive abyss
grand vigil
tepid stratus
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/06/the-advent-engine-6th-december-20...
A nurgle daemon. Finally an easy one
white mural
What is the best clue for plastic Warhammer minis?
naive abyss
?
white mural
Glue
pastel rampart
One plastic glue is as good as another, really, but people swear by the Tamiya thin cement.
floral herald
I personally really like brush on super glue
At least for infantry models - I'm not sure if it holds up for higher structural requirements like tanks
naive abyss
I prefer tamiya due to the brush
naive abyss
At least for infantry models - I'm not sure if it holds up for higher structural...
It should cuz tamiya is in theory for gunpla lol
floral herald
I mean super glue not plastic cement
white mural
I’ve had some problems with super glue getting places it shouldn’t
white mural
So maybe I should try cement,
floral herald
Glue is better than plastic cement for that
jaunty dawn
brush applicators are good in general for better glue control
white mural
That makes sense
floral herald
Super glue is annoying when it gets out of place but can be removed with solvents - plastic cement melts models
pastel rampart
For super glue I use Gorilla Super Glue, which is a bit on the thick side and doesn't have that annoying tendency to leak out onto other spots it shouldn't.
naive abyss
A nurgle daemon. Finally an easy one
It could be plague monks actually
Had someone point that out in another server and now I hope
pastel rampart
Not sure if it's plague monks unless they're going with a stronger Nurgle tie-in.
tepid stratus
I mainly guessed daemon based on the number of visible fingers but plague monk would be cool
pastel rampart
The 3-circle and fly symbols are classic Nurgle stuff.
naive abyss
I know but I want to hope lol
Please gw give the rats love
It's practically free money
thin ibex
currently i use super glue just cause its like... cheaper, namely gorilla glue
but i had good success in the past with GW's plastic glue
naive abyss
hissing noises
That applicator is my beloathed
Literally just fell out of my bottle and refused to apply
white mural
Okay so
What if Iused water slide decals to give aberants tattoos
Lots of buff skin to do such
white mural
I spent alot of money on these minis ima do my best to make them look rad
Going to practice a lot before I attempt the combat patrol but I want to make them look punk af
I think decals that look like stickers on the mining suits, tats, on the aberants
naive abyss
For tats imma bring up slims suggestions for using a micropen
white mural
Hmmm that’s a good idea
tired cairn
I personally really like brush on super glue
I also recommend trying out gel super glue if you haven't. Way more controllable than the normal stuff
white mural
So micro pen and a stencil for tats?
floral herald
I think you're just gonna need to be brave and start simple with the freehand
jaunty dawn
yeah
it's intimidating but if you do it regularly you'll get better at it
and then people will be mind blown
cause its a skill a lot of people neglect
pastel rampart
Micron pen 0.05 is perfect size for tattoos, lettering, and even dotting eyeballs.
Grab some scrap paper and doodle tats onto it to get a feel before committing.
I used the micron pen to get the basics of the tree down and then went over it with light grey paint and then just dotted magenta and pink for the leaves.
I didn't practice with this but only because it's a tree, that shit ain't difficult.
I did practice with this but it's a lot more difficult and on a very thin arm and I don't trust my ability that much to get it done right the first time, hah.
jaunty dawn
ooooh
soft willow
A little bit of a flesh wash over the tattoo can give it a great faded look too, I did a similar thing with a bunch of pirates for Warmachine.
pastel rampart
That too, yeah. Glazing a flesh tone can work too.
I'll do that when I want to get a particular 5 o' clock shadow on someone's face.
white mural
I *did* practice with this but it's a lot more difficult and on a very thin arm ...
Ph I have a bunch of microns for calligraphy
white mural
A little bit of a flesh wash over the tattoo can give it a great faded look too,...
Y’all are amazing
floral herald
dense sedge
a spire-esq gae where you're genestealer cultists would also be fun
pulsar cairn
kinda sad cause cadians did try real hard xD
also did Catachans save their world or did the world save itself as to jow deadly it is?
floral herald
kinda both
upper canopy
LMAO
thin ibex
cadians kinda did it like, 12 times though didnt they
naive abyss
Ngl I'd be fascinated to see for a invasion of krieg would play out
naive abyss
I mean the planet is just radded
Which multiple factions wouldn't care about lol
And like has kriegers on it
pulsar cairn
i feel like the amount of tunnels that and fortifications that they have in there would give them a hell of an advantage
thin ibex
itd go as well as the writers would like
pastel rampart
It'd be a decades-long meat grinder.
thin ibex
cadia was, as far as i understand, the most fortified planet aside from terra in the imperium
pulsar cairn
the place saw nothing but war for a loooong while 
they definitely have a lot of stuff they can reuse
floral herald
I don't think Abbadon Targeted Cadia on every dark crusade
Cadia wasn't usually the primary target of the black crusades but was always in the way
thin ibex
Cadia was always the first target of the Warmaster of Chaos Abaddon the Despoiler's Black Crusades.
pulsar cairn
huh 
interesting
i do remember he having a bunch of small victories during said crusades tho
they weren't complete failures
floral herald
> Cadia was always the first target of the Warmaster of Chaos Abaddon the Despoi...
That's what I mean by "in the way", for Abaddon to break out of the eye of terror he's gotta run the Cadian Gate, which means suppressing the defenders enough for fleets to slip by
The objective of the 12th Black Crusade was getting the Blackstone Fortresses but Cadia was the first target so Abaddon could slip clear
brittle salmon
he wrecked absolute mayhem and blew up pylons
And he still failed to the point where he had to sac a Blackstone Fortress to finish the job
tired cairn
Why was Cadia in the way. Edgy couldn't the black crusade just go around?
floral herald
The "Cadian Gate" area of space (partially because of the necron pylons on the planet) is the only stable warp route into or out of the interior of the Eye of Terror
floral herald
It's a strategic choke point Abaddon must pass through to move a significant force into the galaxy
tired cairn
I still refuse to accept that Abaddon was intentionally targeting the pylons. And instead he just took credit when it turned out here accidentally did something useful
white mural
Abbadon more Badbadon
thin ibex
abaddon's job is to nearly kill important characters before getting distractioned and his force ultimately beaten
white mural
Worf effect
floral herald
Abaddon's schtick is also getting whooped by some important hero while his Goons take something important from the edge of the frame
thin ibex
most of the heroes of the imperium dont stand a chance against him, but will often somehow survive ecause the myriad of extraneous ciircumstances was my understanding
white mural
Right he isn’t out right defeated too often
He just typically whiffs actually killing peoplw
thin ibex
like roboute guilliman, getting his ass handed to him but keeping him there while imperials threatened his ship
wait
not g man
the other ultra
calgar
got his ass handed to him
but calgars shtick these days is to be defeated
pulsar cairn
Guilliman can probably take him 
i was very surprised when you said that
isn't calgar sort of like cain?
thin ibex
calgar got his arms and legs chopped off by the swarmlord, then got beat up by abaddon
pulsar cairn
or was that a joke about his feats being really over the top?
pulsar cairn
calgar got his arms and legs chopped off by the swarmlord, then got beat up by a...
sounds like a fair fight they both lost their arms!
floral herald
but calgars shtick these days is to be defeated
This seems to be the fate of everyone who uses a daemon weapon :p
thin ibex
i think for a bit, calgar got matt warded and did some rediculous shit, but i forget what exactly
floral herald
Which is pretty different from Cain's "im a coward btw" does another crazy heroic thing, sort of on purpose
In terms of crazy feats I think his biggest one is probably holding a gate against an ork horde alone for 24 hours
But there's some silly asf stuff about him in the 5e codex just in tone
I don't have it handy but its something about how where other space marines might instinctively duck when fired upon Calgar never loses his composure and only ducks if he thinks its worth it
Which isn't like, a big deal but is silly in how it lauds him
thin ibex
he 1v1'd an avatar, but i guess anyone with a name in the imperium has done that now
thin ibex
depends on who's writing and how much they nerf avatars xD
floral herald
Honestly Calgar got carried by the Gauntlets of Ultramar there
And they're uh
Quite possibly a daemon weapon
thin ibex
indestructible hands that illustrate the ultramarines love of boxing
alternatively, the space marine equiavalent of lethal hulk hands
floral herald
They were recovered from a chaos champion during the scouring, and critically no one has ever managed to take a look inside
I like to imagine some malign warp spirit is chuckling and enjoying retirement from the great game in them
thin ibex
yup, im guessing it helps to have indestructible hands when you need to block a weapon juiced by khaine
floral herald
Yeah
I think that story is honestly not so bad except its stupid that Calgar managed to sneak up on the Avatar
That part makes no sense to me
Dude wears terminator armor
floral herald
That's possible though I think the molten metal avatar of the god of murder ought to be able to see through that ok
Though - that actually raises a fairly good point for why Khaine keeps jobbing
He's iirc not actually the war god
tired cairn
"why do you keep summoning me to try to kill people who fight back"
floral herald
"this sucks actually"
jaunty dawn
It’s seperates when it’s left to sit
some paints just do that
always a good idea to shake paints before use :)
thin ibex
Khaine in the tabletop is actually now one scary mother trucker, and no character can take em lightly
Been a long time coming
Avatars if khaine and bloodthirsters are maybe the biggest jobbers in warhammer
white mural
ebon forge
Checks out
bright dove
Look, just because Fem!Peturabo is exactly my type
Does not mean I deserve to be called out like this.
untold swallow
Fem!Jaghatai would also be a vibe
gentle jetty
as if there aren't already considerable numbers of primarchfuckers out there
proud wing
Eisenhorn is pretty good
proud wing
just genuinely well-written science fiction noir
proud wing
that happens to sometimes mention The Emperor or Psykers
I always love a chance to focus on (relatively) normal people in sci-fi settings instead of just the 0.0001% of magic super warriors
thin ibex
its been a long time since i read them, but some of my favorite characters were in eisenhorn and ravenor's retinues
for warhammer
tired cairn
The new points for Necrons and AdMech are out, Lol at the Dragoons with the radium jezzails being 45 points. Less than one point per dollar 🙃
proud wing
the problem with admech armies is that it's just too cheap to get all the miniatures you need
thank goodness they're making you need even more
bright dove
I'm going to take my money to the other AM! Surely this won't cost even more money!
naive abyss
jaunty dawn
I'm pretty sure they're smaller than ultramar
bright dove
There's actually not that many tau
If any other faction cared enough to dedicate effort to fight them in large numbers, they'd be in trouble
floral herald
The Tau Empire is now I think larger than Ultramar
floral herald
Or at least, it depends on how you count "ultramar" since its like a dozen planets formally and 500ish way back when
floral herald
IIRC the Tau Empire is now kind of nebulously given as "hundreds" of worlds or systems
proud wing
I think comparing the scale of Warhammer and star wars is kinda fruitless
bright dove
40k gets closer to the right sci-fi scale.
desert jay
Oh hey. New points are out and the new AdMech combat patrol is actually 255 points of models and not 260
(Sterylizors got a 5-point drop)
floral herald
Was this just for new codex factions or everyone?
desert jay
For the codex factions
jaunty dawn
pain
think I need to find a box to deep storage my admech so I can use the carry case they're in for something else
upper canopy
I wonder if I can turn Imperium Maledictum into a Zone gamed
to prevent me from having to make tactical maps
jaunty dawn
IM is a zone game
upper canopy
it's what
floral herald
Admech are pretty strong
jaunty dawn
it uses zones lol
floral herald
IM uses zone combat yeah
upper canopy
FUCK YEAH I DON'T GOTTA MAKE MAPS
desert jay
Checked the Necron CP, it's now 460, was 470 (warriors got a 10 pt drop)
jaunty dawn
its less an issue of effectiveness and more of an issue of like. I don't have painted points
or much will to paint and build stuff for them
and also just 8e was an outlier in their faction design and unfortunately the design that got me into them
desert jay
Yeah I getcha, and it's harder to find 1k games
proud wing
the amount of models required for a 2000 point army seems so excessive
like, i get that the scale can be fun, but there's a point of diminishing returns on the enjoyment from collecting/painting miniatures
painting a dozen space bugs and making a space to put them on your shelf to display when you're not playing? cool!
doing the same for seventy?
eehhhhhhh
jaunty dawn
like in 8e skitarii were built around like. 5 man 2 special squads
naive abyss
yeah maledictum is zone based similar whfrp 4e as memory serves
jaunty dawn
skitarii are now 20 man horde units
desert jay
That was 9e, 10e limits them to 10 again
jaunty dawn
oh
wild
it just goes wild all over the place
but yeah I just saw that this second figuring out how many points I do have haha
desert jay
Which also upset people who got in in 9e and dug the "napoleonic cyborg gunline" style of play
desert jay
Some of them were running 4 squads of 20 vanguards
jaunty dawn
just not what I have the models for
desert jay
And 10e limits you to 6 squads of 10
jaunty dawn
actually looking at it it's not as bad as it feels
but it's just eh
idk
also sad I can't run warglaives and a crusader at the same time
proud wing
see this is why you just play kill team
jaunty dawn
and that if i wanted to run 3 glaives I need to then own 4 armigers and that's a bit weird
proud wing
not only are you allowed to get just a dozen units per faction
desert jay
Oh yeah the boxes of 2
proud wing
but it even has some cool original factions, like fabulous merchants with a dog and an orbital laser
desert jay
I guess you can build 1 as a helverin for sideboarding
jaunty dawn
but yeah like 8e was the edition where knights were literally profiles in the admech codex haha
jaunty dawn
and armigers were introduced in an admech vs necron box
floral herald
Yeah that wack
jaunty dawn
and cult and skitarii were at their most unified
so that's what my army is built for
it's more demoralising than anything
desert jay
Also RIP to the Sacristan Forgeshrine
zinc field
but yeah like 8e was the edition where knights were literally profiles in the ad...
That was the start of my knight army. One big boy, a pair of armigers, and a smattering of skitarii. Good times
jaunty dawn
but also yeah for how much dragoons cost in real dollars and also in painting energy 60 points is just
jaunty dawn
just make them sus hit on a 4+ like they used to with a strat and make them a bit tougher and make them 120 pts please
or something
I like dragoons a lot
thin ibex
If any other faction cared enough to dedicate effort to fight them in large numb...
I think the biggest claim to game is successfully repelling a dedicated death guard Incursion
desert jay
Also please GW you should be able to play knights with like 2 big boys 3-4 armigers and a smattering of skitarii (mechanicus) or guard (imperialis)
jaunty dawn
I was hoping there would be an admech detachment for it
bright dove
I think the biggest claim to game is successfully repelling a dedicated death gu...
Also neat!
desert jay
Guard infantry are pricey for their points too but it's very easy to find them in value boxes
floral herald
60 points for a 10 man squad
Ig players know what they’re signing up for haha
desert jay
And unlike admech the bigger or specialist models are more affordable per point
bright dove
Yep yep.
And to be fair
If I'm signing up to play the guard
It's for the Wall of Guns.
upper canopy
You inhabit the depths of Hive Meridon, or at least you do now. The great arterial tunnels that connect the three hives were opened by order of the Grande Regime. That can only mean one thing. Conscription, or rebellion. And no one's able to tell which. Just that there's now plenty of real-estate in the lower strata of the Hive worth fighting for.
Immigrants from the other two hives, Amiter and Nalis, rushed through the tunnels. Their own population pressures convincing them the deadly trip was worth it. Those tunnels will claim a few thousand, helping alleviate overpopulation even more.
You arrived to dead streets. Entire habs filled with the homes of those killed or taken by the Commandant Absolute's orders. Packaged rations rot on the tables, beds lie unmade, fortunes lay to be claimed.
And when there's turf to be claimed, security to be validated, and money to be made, what other option is there to join a gang?```Thinking about IM game
brittle salmon
Imperial Guard players know what they're signing up for (the coolest army)
jaunty dawn
I think over long timescale guardsman have only really increased in points
too
like compared to how dirt cheap they were decades ago
brittle salmon
Yes and no
Their current cost rolls in all the wargear they have
Which is the real expense
jaunty dawn
true
floral herald
Yeah I think the current 60 point squads are actually cheaper than the 5e ones where you needed to pay for weapons and sergeant stuff
desert jay
They should bring back conscripts as a "no special weapons" option
jaunty dawn
I mean they can fit 10 cultists on a sprue
a 20 model conscript no options box would be cool
floral herald
Yeah they got a lot of mostly point buffs and as of the last GW numbers were pulling 51% in tournaments
junior summit
oooh
floral herald
I do find it funny that the meta is basically Windar vs Losedar on opposite ends of the spectrum
junior summit
they're still OP and it burns
naive abyss
the votann placement is frustrating in some ways to me
cuz its just the fact more units can be spammed atm lol
bright dove
Tau, Deathguard, and Genestealer Cults look to be in a good spot.
brittle salmon
Notably this is before the Necron/AdMech codex drops
Will be interesting to see how those swing WRs for their faction
desert jay
There's also the fact that LoV released in 9e and then immediately got point hikes so like for the whole rest of the edition they were more elite than originally intended
bright dove
Delightful
desert jay
AFAICT, 10e LoV started pretty similar to the original 9e pt costs but then got point changes in the opposite direction
brittle salmon
Yeah that's pretty much accurate
LoV are victims of late stage 9e design and the 10e design is clearly a swing in an another direction to try and claim a different niche
proud wing
what legion would Char be in
topaz elk
I’m feeling Dark Angels tbh
Like even ignoring the whole traitors bit
Dark angels are a group which has a shit ton of secrets, personal agendas, and are primarily motivated by personal ideals and vendettas over the greater good
Which is Char’s whole thing really
He believes what he believes and he makes it everyone else’s problem
desert jay
Also he has never betrayed anyone
floral herald
He’s also kinda g-
tired cairn
Yeah they got a lot of mostly point buffs and as of the last GW numbers were pul...
The complaints about AdMech centered around how bad the internal balance is aiui. And maybe otherwise being kind of unfocused and unfun mechanically?
Also the non elite units with elite pricing lol
glossy vapor
Its intresting to compare and contrast Abaddon and perty because among all the infighting and selfish or cultist ideals of the differing chaos legions, they are so similar in motivation.
Like both are motivated secondly by ego, by the desire to be the ruler and conqurer, but mostly its just spite: they probably would have fucked off to do their own thing long ago if it wasn't for being the galaxies best grudge holders.
and both are playing the game of "i dont want to be controlled by chaos, but its a tool im going to risk and try to wield"
dense sedge
admesh are also the most expansive factions to collect
tired cairn
I mean release Admech mostly sucked
Oh, I meant more recent ones. I think they got a lot more even of a win rate after a bunch of stuff got a points drop
floral herald
Ah ok
naive abyss
with lov like idk its just the new grudge token is really boring imo
and theres no like no spice in their rules to me
cuz ultimately im less interested in how mathmatically good they are and more keen on fun rules
bright dove
Like Skaven being able to risk units for more-more effect?
desert jay
with lov like idk its just the new grudge token is really boring imo
What removed part do you miss from it?
naive abyss
idk it just like has less going on and has like no synergies
like i sorta wish like grudge tokesn on top of the to hit mod gave each unique some unique thing
like beserks get automatic swing on death on full token targets they are in combat from
or hearthkyn get some sorta bonus to objective securing against tokened folks
etc
desert jay
Okay yeah, I get missing the specific synergies
naive abyss
like i think another faction has that sorta deal with their thing has unique things per unit
but i forget which it is
jaunty dawn
csm is the best faction in terms of interacting with faction rule
there's several units
floral herald
And it’s dope
jaunty dawn
its so good
floral herald
But yeah there’s a ton which hooks into it
God marks, Helbrutes, Oblits, more which come to mind less readily
jaunty dawn
possessed
in preview times it seemed like space marines would be similar and then literally only terminators had it haha
floral herald
Yeah that was disappointing
I’m so happy about the rules treatment for my horrible boys though
Starting to worry they’ll cop nerfs in the next manual tho
jaunty dawn
speaking of chaos terminators are one too
brittle salmon
Starting to worry they’ll cop nerfs in the next manual tho
On which units?
floral herald
I think one of the HQs has an interactions as well
floral herald
On which units?
Chosen and Vindicators come to mind
brittle salmon
I would be disappointed if Chosen got nerfed, I think regular Legionnaires are the ones that need buffs
floral herald
That’s fair
I don’t think legionaries are bad though
Chosen are just extremely good and well rounded for barely more points
floral herald
I wouldn’t be sad about legionary buffs but for a faction doing 54% in tourneys it might be hard to justify battle line buffs
brittle salmon
That's undeniable
floral herald
Just the chaos one mostly
floral herald
Cause the meta thing is to slap MoN on it for ap3 plates with sustained hits 5+ haha
jaunty dawn
it's got a big shovel
desert jay
Rhino with a big gun
brittle salmon
I think Vindis had a spell in 9e where they were good in some faction or another
jaunty dawn
just always been my fav rhino variant
floral herald
I remember them being pretty good in 5e
floral herald
That’s relatively ancient history though
brittle salmon
5e being the Age of the Vehicle also helped
jaunty dawn
it's like the one time I'm not the biggest fan of the deimos version cause you just can't beat big gun big shield
also the off centreline thing is pleasing
lack of symmetricality
...symmetry is the word
brittle salmon
Man I remember Baneblades in 5e
What a time
Superheavies were hilarious back then, though all forge world
bright dove
Superheavies and the premiere of Apocalypse scale fights were bonkers
I remember when they did the arctic part of the Battle for Macaggre.
Those poor space marines.
proud wing
runic swallow
Honestly I kinda love that bit of lore
jaunty dawn
'retcon'
thin ibex
Space's Marine
naive abyss
pastel rampart
Finally, my 40k mpreg fanfiction is lore-accurate.
jaunty dawn
no that sounds about right
floral herald
Probably Malcador’s most insane statement
floral herald
https://vxtwitter.com/Pythosart/status/1657561189503705089?t=RZ7dN2HWzO_8ekjtOaH...
Also this is cool
past sphinx
Probably Malcador’s most insane statement
Mans had a hetero life partner for so long he forgets the tides that would bring
Come to think of it malcador has been there since before unification hasn't he
floral herald
Yeah
bright dove
Damn Perpetuals.
obtuse violet
So, I'm going to impale an imperial fist on the top of the tank, how else can I sell this as a fist-tank-stolen-by-Worldeaters? Suggestions?
bright dove
Skulls
floral herald
White or blue stripes?
obtuse violet
oh yeah, heresy era WE had white/blue right?
runic swallow
There’s a great short story or moment in another story (I forget) where a serf cleaning a World Eater’s armor post heresy find out that it’s actually white and blue under all the countless layers of gore
He never repainted it, just didn’t clean it
floral herald
That’s a funny idea
Clearly he was blessed by Khorne to have red dried blood on his armor
runic swallow
I think he must have just killed stuff often enough it wasn’t brown for long
floral herald
True
upper canopy
What if
I just stole Darktide's formula for this IM game
Where every GM has a GMNPC that THEY play as mission control
ebon forge
Heretek tech, not scrap
Obliterate
brittle salmon
Now, to be fair here, heretek is a very broad spectrum
But there's also a very clear divide in there: Dark AdMech and everyone else
Hereteks in general aren't afraid to use whatever comes their way, but the only people that are going to use chaos-tainted stuff by and large are Dark AdMech
Turns out warp-tainted scrapcode is just Very Bad News In General
See: any of Old Mars
You don't fuck with that shit unless you're mechadendrite deep in blasphemous knowledge and ritual
And if you are, congratulations, you're already Dark AdMech one step removed
brittle salmon
do admech try to recover tech from traitors/heretics?
Tl;dr radical/heretekical factions within the AdMech will definitely recover technology from xenos affiliated traitors, very few people are going to touch chaos-tainted tech
pulsar cairn
i thought they would have some process ro purify it or something 
pine matrix
Still, I think what's considered "heretek" is broad enough that it includes stuff that isn't chaos corrupted but goes against the sensibilities of the people running the cult. IIRC, Cawl is basically doing heretek shit none stop every day but he's too important and gets good results for anyone to do something about it
ebon forge
And if you are, congratulations, you're already Dark AdMech one step removed
Fair, like , Cawl is 100000% a Heretek
But a imperium one V:
storm schooner
Hes a radical
He'd have to get a very large Skateboard
brittle salmon
i thought they would have some process ro purify it or something <:vicksyAww:118...
It's on a case by case basis, if it's extremely important there might be a way to purify it
ebon forge
But as standard procedure, they would just destroy the tech
But behind the curtains? HEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHEHEHE
brittle salmon
But generally whatever scrapcode touches is fucked beyond repair
storm schooner
Also I think lots of hereteks are imperium ones, like they're dogmatic that's why hereteks are a thing instead of them being neccicerally against anything
ebon forge
Tho, the 'no new tech' always baffles me, but the response is "No they have new tech, they just hide when they make new one"
.
I was today years old that I discovered Lion ' el Johnson was named after a irl gay poet called Lionel Johnson
pulsar cairn
ebon forge
And said irl Lionel Johnson also wrote a poem called https://www.thedarkfortress.co.uk/librarium/lionel_johnson.php Dark Angel, which is about him coming to terms with his homosexuality and his faith
.
pulsar cairn
was the poet also extremly grumpy?
ebon forge
He was a poet, so maybe
100% certain he was depressed tho
wide wind
He was very sad about being gay and catholic.
ebon forge
Ah yes, a common thing between people that are gay and catholic
dangerous combination
ebon forge
The guys that haven't fallen nor have Risen!
wide wind
The Dork Angles
cinder wraith
ebon forge
HAH
solemn gull
I always love a chance to focus on *(relatively)* normal people in sci-fi settin...
I just read 13th legion and felt exactly that
Spoilers ||”THEY ARE ALL DEAD KAGE”||
I love the more ground level 40k stuff explored in the rpgs
thin ibex
i think, honestly, you dont sell how crazy scary a space marine is without exploring the perspective of a normal guy
naive abyss
I think one of my faves recently was some kin mercs recounting the murder wave when working for imperials
Basically was like "yeah so suddenly these freaks start murdering each other so we left"
floral herald
I’m a little late but there’s a bunch of ways to be a heretek which don’t involve chaos
floral herald
Dark Heresy has some fun examples like Nomen Ryne (believes in radical equality, shares tech outside of Admech circles, makes the false men of nomen ryne)
Or the logicians who aren’t really even Admech
bright dove
Good ole Logicians.
ebon forge
Oh yeah, AdMech is really petty about modifications on tech
You can be a heretec if you do some gun mods on your lazgun
upper canopy
I’m a little late but there’s a bunch of ways to be a heretek which don’t involv...
Case in point: Bellesarius Cawl
jaunty dawn
even just believing you can do math on the astronomicon to get messages from the emperor is heretek
bright dove
Note: You should probably not try to get messages from the Emperor.
One of the Soul Eaters novels had a Heretek who wanted to get her hands on a Primarch's weapons so she could figure out how to recreate it.
floral herald
Case in point: Bellesarius Cawl
No he’s an uhh, sanctioned radical, yeah that sounds good
thin ibex
If I were the emperor sending math messages I'd send memes and then tell people they'd never be believed
floral herald
I do wonder what Guilliman would think of the Logicians honestly
bright dove
Probably approve.
solemn gull
I like how heretek encompasses “Trying to make demon engines with a new paint job” and also “hey what if we didn’t hoard information everyone needs”
quaint compass
The Cult Mechanicus is after all, a cult. Got to be insular and tribalistic to fit the bill.
jaunty dawn
it's cult as in 'this is how you properly venerate the blessed machine and the omnissiah' not 'social group led by a charismatic leader'
ebon forge
or even simplier 'believe what we say or Die"
jaunty dawn
no like
even hereteks are part of the cult mechanicus by virtue of their beliefs and actions
even dark mech still ultimately subscribe to the cult mechanicus. that's what makes them dark mech and not just. chaos engineers
cult mechanicus factions may (and often do) disagree on the nature of what is and isn't cult
naive abyss
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/07/the-advent-engine-7th-december-20...
I have no clue on this one other than there's a bugle
floral herald
I’m pretty sure it’s a cities of sigmar model but idk what
The angular parts and slapdash wood grain stuff fit a lot of their aesthetic I think
jaunty dawn
this guy is funny
its just like. what is he looking at
mark 5 though!
the legs at least
floral herald
The conspicuous legion markings on an infiltrator are also funny
jaunty dawn
he probably just stole a holomask from infinity anyway
thin ibex
you know, complete aside, i feel like one thing thats currently really cool about Orks on the tabletop is that they kind of tactically match how they feel in narrative; in that a lot of the time, they'll force or keep their opponent bottled up on their side of the table or in their DZ
on virtue of like, turn 1 waaaaghs
naive abyss
The angular parts and slapdash wood grain stuff fit a lot of their aesthetic I t...
Agreed but the bugle made me think krieg Ngl
Cuz a bugle feels out of place for cos I feel
soft willow
its just like. what is he looking at
Trying to find an angle where he can see over his paldron well enough.
thin ibex
i think his eye line is JUST over it
like the top of the pauldron looks like it'll rest just on the bridge of the nose
soft willow
I don't think it's quite there. It's very close though which is why he's just like "maybe if I turn my head just a little bit more..."
thin ibex
i do think to see over he has to intentionally slope his shoulder
deft crest
Anyone know a bunch of bits off the top of their heads? I'm looking to kitbash something for another game and I need to find a clawed gauntlet to print or trade off someone.
I really like the look of the Warp Talons in art
but their models look more like the standard shock claws like wolverine style rather than claws
naive abyss
That's a csm lightning claw more or less. Especially terminator ones
Check the chosen kit too
deft crest
Ty i'll ask around my LGS
thin ibex
yeah thats a more classic lightning claw, you might be able to find examples of em on character models, but i don't remember seeing that many on normal csm models
were they around on older ones?
naive abyss
HH kits might also be a good source depending on the kit
jaunty dawn
that's what the cataphractii claws look like
decent chance if there's anyone who got age of darkness they'll have spares
floral herald
were they around on older ones?
No older CSM have Wolverine lightning claws
thin ibex
ahh ok
i just remember that huron blackheart has the finger claws and that abaddon does too i think
Haarkon Worldclaimer also has one
seems like they are most common on CSM characters
deft crest
Yeah Abbadons claws would have been perfect but i think his claws are a bit too specific to him
thin ibex
itd suck to buy like a bajillion haarkon's but they soom pretty good for warpclaws, except that they're only the right hand
another thing i have noticed is that it doesn't seem like deff dredds are in for orks
to connect to my earlier comment with orkz
though i guess if you don't bring ghaz, dredds are a bit more approachable
but i think the meganobz might be more common
naive abyss
Huron not having a new model is still wild to me lol
ebon forge
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2186680/Warhammer_40000_Rogue_Trader/ oh btw it just released
naive abyss
Though psa the devs have had some questionable statements on lgbtq+ stuff in the game
ebon forge
oh goddamit what bigoty thing they said?
storm schooner
oh goddamit what bigoty thing they said?
The only gay romance option, like specifically mlm is a Dark Elf
And they said some stuff about how "Straight characters just made better stories".
ebon forge
.
naive abyss
Less hardline bigotry and more allot of weird sorta whingey reasons for the lack of lgbtq+ that's isn't a torture space elf
Shit like "we couldn't fit it into the story"
ebon forge
naive abyss
Which is an absurd excuse
ebon forge
time
naive abyss
What
thin ibex
spoon time?
storm schooner
I think they used an example of like a guy who had a dead wife, which is like bi dudes wives can die.
But also I think that example wasnt even romancable?
unreal cosmos
yeah even if not intended kind of a bad look
ebon forge
that just ruined it, urgh
storm schooner
Frankly do not get the hype that happened, after playing the Owlcat games. Their writing was rough a lot of the time
naive abyss
I still regret me preorder cuz of that shit
jaunty dawn
did they use the ffg rogue trader system or?
naive abyss
Cuz I couldn't refund it anymore
naive abyss
did they use the ffg rogue trader system or?
More or less yeah
floral herald
did they use the ffg rogue trader system or?
thankfully with a lot of adjustments but yes
jaunty dawn
idk why you'd want a crpg of that haha
floral herald
It's real different
jaunty dawn
like I like rt
floral herald
Same but its a mess mechanically
jaunty dawn
but its not like infinite splat d20 stuff
ebon forge
I was so excited for it, because like, it would show day-to-day imperium
The casual
Day to day life, a game to really explore the imperium and not just wage war
ebon forge
spoon time?
piracy time -runs
thin ibex
piracy time -runs
ahh ok, yeah i was confused
I was like... "Ah man, im annoyed at this, time to spoon"
jaunty dawn
I thought she was french
storm schooner
Amelies about a pirate? I thought it was like a lifetime movie
unreal cosmos
I thought she cook an egg with a spoon
ebon forge
Amelies about a pirate? I thought it was like a lifetime movie
A famous piracy site uses her as it's symbol
i have no idea why
ebon forge
Cuz I couldn't refund it anymore
that sucks
A friend said it best: "If you can't write a compelling story because two characters are gay, that's a fucking skill issue"
naive abyss
Yeah so like it'll just be on my steam account I guess
I won't play it now
But yeah
ebon forge
I feel
Deflated
https://www.reddit.com/r/RogueTraderCRPG/comments/16tc9i5/warhammer_40000_rogue_trader_devs_would_love_to/ found the source
the dev comments too:
"The article clearly tries to set some accents in a negative way. Which is unfortunate, because any malicious intent that they imply, doesn't exist.
Romances are an eternal battle between wanting to make as many options as possible, vision of a writer of a certain character, budget constraints, restrictions dictated by the owner of the setting, and making characters that feel realistic and not just dolls for the main protagonist. We're always making sure there's something for everyone, but the amount of content for different kinds of romances may vary from game to game. Same as with the orks in RT - can't have everything at once, even if we want to. You can only insert so much into the base game."
still irks me the only gay option is the evil elf
floral herald
Yeah that's the bad part for me
ebon forge
I prefer the saltless gay romance of Mass effect 3 rather than this
floral herald
I'm fairly sympathetic to the "we didn't want to make our cast of characters a bunch of playersexual templates" cause honestly BG3 can feel a little weird with how it does do that
But if you're only gonna choose one the extradimension torture elf is probably not ideal
Also I don't intend this as a defense of FS but:
Owlcat implemented the romances, so it could have implemented more LGBT+ options by simply balancing the number of straight and LGBT+ party members to better reflect the post-gender society they inhabit.
This reads pretty funny to me, since you can say a lot about 40k but "post gender" is not really one of them
I get what they mean though
But it's not the right way to phrase that
ebon forge
Yeah is an interview i bet they regret having
storm schooner
Their community manager has a comment which compares wanting better queer romance to wanting a orc companion?
Which is just really weird
ebon forge
I was the one that asked about a Ork companion in the game
I was the redditor
IT WAS ME
jaunty dawn
honestly I also just find it weird that 40k game has romance
ebon forge
Their community manager has a comment which compares wanting better queer romanc...
Also yes like,
I understand the comparison but
That was a horrible comparsion
jaunty dawn
like their response is like "we added some romance and this is just how it shaked out this time"
but like
it's 40k
ebon forge
honestly I also just find it weird that 40k game has romance
-runs
but yes
Also, yeah, if there is a Imperium branch prone to romance
is the Rogue Traders, since they are suppose to be that
Naval, Pirate-free spirit (kinda) style
jaunty dawn
well no
cause like
anyone can theoretically have a romance sure
relationships happen
but in general 40k is not a setting that cares
ebon forge
I mean yes but I mean the more prone to
jaunty dawn
40k is a setting that thinks you get cooties
ebon forge
But yeah like
40k is not a setting opens much for it, unless is to be tragic as hell
"Did you find her?"
"Yes sir"
thin ibex
well, might be less that they are more prone to it but more that they are at more liberty to do so, if that makes sense.
floral herald
Ehh, I think this depends a lot on the author and book
jaunty dawn
I know that like academically
it does happen
still feels weird to me personally tbh
ebon forge
well, might be less that they are more prone to it but more that they are at mor...
That's what i meant! Thank u
thin ibex
I imagine the imperium can be pretty restrictive to relationships outside of parameters established on a world or whatever and depending on caste/station in society
jaunty dawn
like star wars cares
thin ibex
"You can have a relationship but you are expected to be at your workstation 26 out of 24 hours every day
floral herald
My understanding is that the general point of view for the imperium is that they don't really care what 2 humans do
thin ibex
if you die, you die at your workstation"
jaunty dawn
40k is a setting about a bunch of dudes hanging out being bros
floral herald
I mean Guilliman is a geneforged magic war machine with a human face
jaunty dawn
and girls are icky
thin ibex
I think its less caring about the relationship explicitly, but caring how anything might affect a manufactorum work quota, or a crew itinerary or something
thin ibex
like as long as you could do your relationship without any compromise whatsoever to your duties, whatever
ebon forge
Even the AdMech had """romance"""
thin ibex
but if you slip for a second in favor of a human connection, you might get slapped, or servitor'd
jaunty dawn
I think also in general I believe that the cm response genuinely believes this isn't the result of malice
but cishet people often don't!
floral herald
I'm struggling to remember the name of the book - it has storm troopers in it - but I remember being struck by how the stormtrooper squad had like 3-4 casual flings happening at any given time
ebon forge
I think also in general I believe that the cm response genuinely believes this i...
yeah, just worded weird and skill issue
thin ibex
yeah thats one of those situations where those flings were not in the way of their given role/duty/expectation or whatever
jaunty dawn
but like there is so much malice in the responses in the interview. it's just wrapped up in unconscious homophobia and that way of seeing the world
spice flicker
Pre-order for the Rogue Trader crpg is now live and was the Christmas gift I got for myself this year.
jaunty dawn
just would be nice if ppl listened for once when criticised instead of getting defensive
banal
upper canopy
If you're talking for the Company you can't admit anything
because that makes everyone culpable
jaunty dawn
like it costs nothing to not dig yourself further into a hole
ebon forge
Probably is someone that don't know how to explain themselves very well stepping on banana peels
it still weird as hell how the only m/m romance is with the evil torture elf
spice flicker
What new drama have I missed?
upper canopy
It's not new
jaunty dawn
not new
floral herald
Yeah this is pretty old
upper canopy
It's just retreading
floral herald
It's just coming up again cause the game comes out today
storm schooner
The mlm thing is really bad. Considering the dark elves are so often characterised as like, sex freaks.
Like out of all the possible peoples in Warhammer, the Drukari are the worst possible people to have as your only gay option
floral herald
I can think of one worse option but yeah its not a great look
floral herald
yeah
ebon forge
And the only lgbt romance in the end is with the dark eldar
storm schooner
it's not the only lgbt romance, I think there's some lesbians options
spice flicker
I know a lot of people were upset and wanting to try and boycott the game over that. I am not part of that group and am just happy that Rogue trader is even getting a game and has been looking forward to it since it was announced and cant wait to play it.
spice flicker
Also I find it ironic that the game came out before I finished prepping my campaign using the system.
ebon forge
Also what are the """classes""" you can play as?
ebon forge
Also I find it ironic that the game came out before I finished prepping my campa...
have you played using wrath and Glory's system?
I almost started a campaign of it
but my group really didn't care about 40k so I didn't bother
thin ibex
i still want to run W&G
my IRL group i think will take nicely to it
once i like
get it
spice flicker
I got it in a humble bundle but haven't had the chance. I have been co-gming with a friend in his own rogue trader campaign while I have been working on my own.
Also got 4th edition warhammer fantasy rpg and soulbound in the same bundle and man do I want to play a nighthaunt in the latter so much.
ebon forge
I want to try W&G because somehow they threw a planet sytem where Orks co-ooping is viable
AND I LOVE MY WAAAAAAAARGH GUYS
thin ibex
i still need to dig into WHFRPG because i want to run a tomb kings game, but it doesn't actually have tomb kings content so id have to learn how to brew things
W&G i think my books are more open in terms of what i get to do
ebon forge
I-
Need to be less shy and ask for more skirmish games ~3~
Also my brain is so rotten with internet everytime i read "X cringed" I mostly imagine they just going "urgh cringe" than the actual cringing motion
´As Khârn drew breath to speak again, Orfeo’s distant screams reached a crescendo. He saw Argel Tal cringe.
‘What’s wrong with you?’
‘Your primarch is insane,’ replied the Word Bearer. ‘Worse, he’s dying.'´
"What's wrong bro?"
"Bro, angron is cringe"
jaunty dawn
seems about right tbf
naive abyss
ebon forge
Love the drip
ebon forge
seems about right tbf
Angron has 3 moods
Super depressing and sad
Actually smart as hell and knows the Emperor is full of BS more than anyone in the room
Murder baby
ebon forge
the guys
Anyway, has anyone here read the Perturabo book?
They stared at one another for a long moment, until both broke into low chuckles. The tension dissipated, as simple as that.
now kiss /j
unreal cosmos
https://vxtwitter.com/WarpMiniatures/status/1730502173589418271?t=LrD3Y7Skj8vcqf...
Holy shit
unreal cosmos
Nice
spice flicker
Wait are those gnomes in the same pose and using the same weapons as goblins and gits?
Bottom left ones
south axle
Looks like it, same with the slingshot one
spice flicker
Instead of gloomspite gitz what would these guys be called? Glowstone gnomes?
floral herald
Glowstone Gnomes seems pretty good
naive abyss
Redcap Ruffians
spice flicker
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Lore for the Knights of Shrouds are that they are former generals who abandoned or betrayed their armies correct?
If so wouldn't that also apply to meta chasers who pick up an abandon and army just on whether it is good or not since they're betraying their armies after all?
"A Knight of Shrouds is a general or other war leader who betrayed their own people. Perhaps this was in the hope of personal gain or just a desperate hope for mercy but in the eyes of Nagash this does not matter. As punishment, he shackles their souls to lead his armies."
tepid stratus
Was catching up on chat and saw some chatter on the votan win rate. Just wanna give my two cents as someone whose faced them in the tournament scene recently. It felt like fighting guard but with better guns and melee. There was just wave after wave of units being thrown at my relatively elite CSM build that I was too busy trying to keep them out of my backline to score some of my tactical objectives. 2 10 man hearthguard bricks with champions, a few 5 man hearthkyn squads and just sooo many bikes. Easy access to aoc and units throwing enough dice to make orks blush made for a bad time for me. Still a fun game but damn I've had an easier time fighting my way out of guardtide and swarm nids
naive abyss
Yeah they are atm at the same level as guard in terms of eliteness more or less which feels weird to me
Like I just don't think they mechanically atm fulfill the fantasy that's stated in their lore
ebon forge
I heard AdMech been sucking massive eldritch balls lately in 10th too
tepid stratus
It was neat that almost the entire list could outflank or deepstrike but damn did they make for efficient scalpels. Just a lot of scalpels. So many scalpels. The guy came 2nd in the tournament so I feel pretty good about him being my only loss
ebon forge
The doomposting on r/admech is real
tepid stratus
Yeah every admech player I know had shelved them
ebon forge
sad
Also I bet GW want Skitarii to become a psudo-horde army so they can sell more minis V:
tepid stratus
I do fear the slow decline WHFB had with army size creeping up over time. 8th edition had some prohibitively large armies if you wanted to get into tournament play
ebon forge
Another W for kill team -runs
tepid stratus
Yeah I never really got into kill team but it is why I keep infinity around as a palette cleanser when I want to just slap 10 dudes on the table and vibe
spice flicker
They never made a kill team for knights so it is of no interest to me tbh
rocky shale
I don't think you could make knights work in KT, similarly to how they don't have a combat patrol
tepid stratus
I guess you could do household retainers as infantry?
ebon forge
They never made a kill team for knights so it is of no interest to me tbh
Say your knights got shrunken down and became Grey Knights /j
rocky shale
Do grey knights even have a KT?
ebon forge
yes
They are the 'elite' kind of Kill Team, where is usually just
4 dudes
Yeah, 4 DF3+ W11 and 1 DF+3 W12 dude
spice flicker
In all honesty though I think the only time I was interested in KT was when I used to want to have a 1k sons army
naive abyss
Killteam is the game I actually wanna play tbh
proud wing
They are the 'elite' kind of Kill Team, where is usually just
4 dudes
Grey Knights and Custodes are the only ones with less than six units. six is the minimum outside the extra elite factions
ebon forge
Killteam is the game I actually wanna play tbh
If you have TTS we can play a round and I show you how to use the table, is really nice tbh
naive abyss
Other than that 40k collecting is for the hobbying for me
proud wing
yeah, kill team is a lot more interesting in terms of actual gameplay than normal 40K imo
naive abyss
If you have TTS we can play a round and I show you how to use the table, is real...
I don't as of now but I'll keep the offer in mind cheers
proud wing
and, imo, it's also more hobby friendly
since it's more fun to be able to have a bunch of small teams for each faction
instead of only having time/money to paint one faction, since they're like $500 per army in standard 40K
ebon forge
I don't as of now but I'll keep the offer in mind cheers
Highly recommend TTS, and anytime!
ebon forge
and, imo, it's also more hobby friendly
Oh yeah, you only need 11 dudes, and not
A fuckton
thin ibex
KT appeals to me on many levels tbh
ebon forge
And the new models are highly detailed
thin ibex
but yall will laugh, the thing i remember interesting me the most initially was "Reivers are actually good in KT" a long time ago
my interest has changed and evovled since then
but that was enough to pique my interest
ebon forge
Beastkin is also back in 40k thanks to kill team :3c
they are chaos aligned now but shhh
spice flicker
In all honesty though I think the only time I was interested in KT was when I used to want to have a 1k sons army
floral herald
Yeah they are atm at the same level as guard in terms of eliteness more or less ...
No they aren't? They're like 2x as much man for man
ebon forge
oh is that new?
It is!
thin ibex
i imagine it'll be like the phobos marines, with a 5 man
or at least i think they were a 5 man
floral herald
wil they be a 10 man or a 5 man KT?
I'm assuming 6 like the other space marine kts
(Most of which were originally 5 but got an extra dude in a big errata since they all sucked)
floral herald
Have been for a while
thin ibex
i want to make a "Hounds of Morkai" kill team
ah my b then, i havent been keeping up to date with it
but either a hounds of morkai or a wolfspear kT
the phobos marines also have some fun gimmicks
floral herald
Oh no I think Phobos were always six huh
ebon forge
or at least i think they were a 5 man
ya1 1 leader, 5 dudes
thin ibex
i can probably get away with not doing all reivers for a hounds themed team on virtue of making an interesting team
floral herald
Yeah pretty easily I think so
spice flicker
When will GW finally let alpha legion csm field a proper sniper unit?
thin ibex
it'll come out as a new SM lieutenant first
floral herald
When will GW finally let alpha legion csm field a proper sniper unit?
Heavy Bolter specialist if you believe
(Though I did see a Phobos alpha legion KT which was tight)
spice flicker
Bah give it a sniper rifle not a heavy bolter.
Guard, tau, sm, eldar, necrons, gsc and I think dark eldar all have a dedicated sniper while CSM doesn't
floral herald
Yeah, though I can see why with how the legionary kt is
It's got so many strong tools that something with Silent would probably be too many tools in their shed
thin ibex
running phobos as alpha legion is actually kind of slick
floral herald
And it's rare as hell to get snipers in 3 apl teams
thin ibex
thats cool
i mean, the CSM hb is just gonna turn a sniper into mulch
ive seen it happen
thin ibex
oh thats very cool
spice flicker
running phobos as alpha legion is actually kind of slick
I considered doing that at one point. A phobos focused sm army who was entirely composed of alpha legion infiltrators pretending to be a successor chapter.
floral herald
It's got so many strong tools that something with Silent would probably be too m...
Basically most space marine KTs don't get as much firepower as legionaries, or have it in somewhat more awkward ways, and plasma gun+heavy weapon+sniper rifle is probably too much good stuff
thin ibex
i don't think the intercession team gets a sniper either yeah?
they're the most analagous to the legionaries iirc
floral herald
They don't
ebon forge
Orks do 🙂
floral herald
Phobos actually doesn't get an actual Silent sniper rifle either, just a low budget version
ebon forge
SNIPA IS DA GUD' JAWB M8
thin ibex
that ork permanently has a black eye
floral herald
I love the kommando team
thin ibex
iirc the kommando team still sees a fair amount of play and generally do mostly "ok"
ebon forge
that ork permanently has a black eye
Is to help him focus on the scope
thin ibex
but as cyan has pointed out, ive not been great at keeping up with KT, so my knowledge may be outdated
proud wing
running phobos as alpha legion is actually kind of slick
it honestly feels like I see more phobos kill teams painted in alpha legion colors than phobos colors
everyone loves alpha legion, and it's a sneaky space marine faction so it's close enough
thin ibex
i wanna run them as Wolfspears
or space wolves/Hounds of Morkai
paint up some rune armor
floral herald
Kommandos are aiui an extremely strong team which is just kept in check in terms of results because of relatively bad MUs into legionaries and intercession
And those are like number 2 and 3 for most popular kts
ebon forge
I have no idea what that means but hey
kommandos cool
proud wing
kill team overall is very balanced (except the compendium teams)
thin ibex
I think meta wise, correct me if im off, the veteran guardsmen and the kommandos are both the most played, and both are worthy mid grounds; but the kommandos edge out to be a bit stronger
floral herald
kill team overall is very balanced (except the compendium teams)
There's often a couple of broken KTs if some releases at a bad balance point but yeah
proud wing
like, the range is more S-B than S-F
floral herald
Chaos Cult was absolutely fucked on release
thin ibex
genreally your gatekeepers are intercessors and legionaries still i think
proud wing
I don't think legionaries have ever been top tier? I could be wrong
floral herald
Fellgore Ravagers were another bro wtf team on release
So as a caveat, KT winrates should always be taken with a helping of salt because unlike 40k there isn't enough tournament results to make for stable numbers
But this is from July and kind of shows the "gatekeeper effect" (though its much less pronounced now) of Legionaries and Intercession
Which are both quite popular KTs which because of their straightforward and brutal styles tend to divide the meta into "can handle them and are upper division" and "cannot, and this makes it really hard to place in tournies because you will see at least one of them"
I think these numbers are from right after Chaos Cult released while they were, put politely, fucking broken
This was also month by mons and has some weird results
Like Breachers, a generally top end team having abysmal results
thin ibex
I know pathfinders are actually still a top tier shooting kt but event expansions made their lives harder
I hadn't even heard about the cultists brokenness till now, that's interesting
floral herald
This is out of date - Cult has been brought into line
They were just busted on release because they put 15 shitty bodies on the field and the ones you didn't kill quickly upgraded to nasty bullshit and full healed when they did so
So they put an unbearable weight of wounds on the table to get through
floral herald
Yeah, I just mean the release one
Cult is still very strong and one of my favorite teams
I wish I'd been able to get an Ashes of Faith box
floral herald
It's such a cool KT
Both of them really
This is the sickest team wide rule and its backed by top-tier models
floral herald
And the Inquisitorial one, while less explosively cool in rules is also cool and has amazing Darktide-ish scrungly ass dudes
Like I think I've seen this Zealot a few times
thin ibex
Let's play dark tide guys! I'm going to play as the living copy machine
proud wing
kill team pros: there is a team that has a dog and an orbital laser
kill team cons: some designer who hates fun specified that the dog is not allowed to operate the orbital laser
floral herald
lmao
dense sedge
rogue trader is out today
thin ibex
yup yup
ebon forge
rogue trader is out today
We talked about it a bit
I got deflated because the writers lack the skill or are just homophobes for making m/m romance A:
Man
Imagine someone wearing your skin as a crotch rag smh
thin ibex
its all aesthetic, it goes over the armor
south axle
Rather be the crotch rag than the cape he will sit on in the dirt
upper canopy
I mean I'm gonna be honest in regards to the "The only m/m pairing is the horrible murder elf"
I get it I do
but also every romance is with a person who would probably commit a genocide without a second's hesitation.
cuz 40k
You ain't getting Baldur's Gate 3 companions here
dense sedge
the other male companions are the space wolf, the inquisitor, and the old seneschal so it's not like there's a breadth of good options. 40k in general isn't great for romance
oh and tech priest
proud wing
is the Imperium homophobic? it would be wild if they weren't, but I can't think of any reference to it
upper canopy
It is not.
ebon forge
Counterpoint: There are two lesbians choices V:
ebon forge
Also while yes, they all commite genocide
one thing is a salamander doing the genocide, another is the iron warriors
thin ibex
relationships come second, duty to the emperor comes first
dense sedge
the navigator feels like the only character designed with romance in mind
upper canopy
I don't think a game is inherently required to have an equal distribution of romances among all orientations tbh
dense sedge
epecially when it's a game and a franchise were romance isn't particularly a priority
upper canopy
I think them having a full range of options in a 40k game is already like
Surprising
dense sedge
how far into the game do you recruit the drukhari?
thin ibex
just came out, no idea
upper canopy
(Also I think I'm in a minority of people when I enjoy when your party has a range of sexualities vs everyone being bisexual for the player specifically)
tired cairn
How many female romancible options does a male RT get?
dense sedge
(Also I think I'm in a minority of people when I enjoy when your party has a ran...
what are the sexualities?
floral herald
How many female romancible options does a male RT get?
I've been told 3
upper canopy
That wasn't explicitly about RT
jaunty dawn
I don't think that's a minority opinion lol
tired cairn
So there isn't a lot of romance options in general. Hmm
dense sedge
is the drukhari gay only?
upper canopy
Yeah
pastel rampart
tired cairn
I agree that making the only gay character a dark elf is sketch. But also it would be so funny if they made him ace
thin ibex
ive not seen a lot of down bad postings or memes about harlequins
which is surprising
considering the internet's clownthirst
tired cairn
It's not a lot better if he's bi
jaunty dawn
not really no