Warhammer and Such

[alpine quarry]

The original designs are comically bad imo

Im russian/ukrainian speaking community space marines were called midgets until primaris cane out

And now midgets are just the original models

[white mural]

Lmao

[alpine quarry]

What are kinda hate is how you really cant pretend that primaris are ehat marines always were because they just flat out have better stats

We straight up banned assault intercessor killteam because there was nothing we could do against it

[white mural]

Idk if that tracts as game doesn’t equal lore

It makes sense for larger units to have better stats

[alpine quarry]

No-no, i hate it because its predatory imo

Because its straight up "we want to sell it, so we are going to overboost its stats"

Same thing with votanns in killteam

We looked at them briefly but abilities seemed unhinged to us

[jaunty dawn]

gw regularly put out bad rules for new models

there is no conspiracy

at this point in 10e firstborn have the same stats even. it was arguably just a way to test the waters on 2w space marines in general

votann kill team had to be buffed after their release too

are you comparing compendium kill teams to ones that came after? if so thats fair. for better or for worse compendium and non compendium is just different design space

[unreal cosmos]

I don't expect it but I wouldn't be surprised if 11th edition was a reboot where Primaris are now just Normal Space Marines.

But I suspect not because 40k seems kind of reboot-resistant specifically because it's been very good at like, just kind of slowly and passively digesting its old self

just kind of gradually changing itself one retcon at a time

so instead you might end up there over the course of a couple more iterations

[jaunty dawn]

honestly like

I do agree the primaris introduction was very messy. and they dont utilise its potential nearly as much as I would like

but I prefer it as an explanation for the necessitated aesthetic shift compared to say, a retcon

and I like it because its like. the pre primaris universe still exists

you can still go back to it

and I hope they do eventually for modern mk 7 kits

[lofty warren]

Yeah

Although i think they could have gotten away with just calling it an armor update to mk x

Esp since the primaris vehicles are a lot messier in design than the traditional equivalents

The floating box is never going to be as iconic as a rhino

[jaunty dawn]

i think the trouble with an armour update they anticipated was like. mk 8 had been the armour update and it was going very slowy in imperial fashion

I think they also felt the need to explain the height difference

[lofty warren]

The messaging on this though was so messy because like

It was also spoken about as it becoming truescale

[jaunty dawn]

yeaah

[lofty warren]

Which i think would have just worked to explain the height difference

[jaunty dawn]

i like primaris size to paint and look at but i dont really feel like they fit next to my other models tbh

especially with heresy and chaos

and the new indomitus terminators

it was a lot of decisions all at once and some of them were bad haha

[lofty warren]

It could have been done a lot better but also like

Given the history and present of GW its honestly the best you could expect

so quickly we forget that traditionally GW is the fuckup evil tabletop company, not wizards

This year has kinda turned that paradigm on its head, beyond some mild scandals that kinda flew under the radar if you were not paying attention

[unreal cosmos]

I will say that the good lore thing about Primaris is the Ultima Founding seems like a goldmine for Your Guys

"there are a bunch of fresh new SM chapters and they're made up of guys who are relative blank slates"

[jaunty dawn]

i really like the greyshield concept

[unreal cosmos]

someone pointed out it's kind of a cheeky reference to unpainted minis

[naive abyss]

primaris in allot of ways were them just backing down from the bullet of a marine range refresh at the start. which has now just led to the range being a horrible mess in a variety of ways i feel. I dont mind the lore of primaris in any way but it should have also at this point been used to bring in female marines or something instead of just having next to nothing done with it beyond "theres more marines and these ones are bigger and are somewhat more legion organized in terms of squads". like now were in this place that what ostensibly is the intro faction has a weird mess of a range thats super bloated. like due to how they went about it at this point i just want them to continue slowly getting rid of firstborn if only so the range overall is less ponderous.

also its sorta funny to me that aos has just sorta become the game/setting with the more interesting super soldiers now imo.

what with stormcast reforging flaws adding an interesting catch and them just being coed without making a fuss about it lol

[unreal cosmos]

that reminds me

let's assume that eventually GW will crack and make lady marines canon... where do you think it will happen first, a book or a model?

[floral herald]

Book

[naive abyss]

agreed

itll be a deeply buried snippet in a book

[floral herald]

technically there’s already been a model but that’s not super relevant on account of age

[unreal cosmos]

(it also hit me that I can definitely see them doing a nonbinary astartes character before a textually female astartes character)

which isn't a commentary on anything about actual gender politics, to be clear

[white mural]

Also the reception to rebooting fantasy went bad

[naive abyss]

well its more the reboot was done badly

[white mural]

Also my friend plays female khorne marines

[naive abyss]

and its less a reboot and more a weird timeline acceleration

also vibe

[unreal cosmos]

it's just that Black Library seems to have discovered nb people exist and I can very easily see someone going "well there's no reason one couldn't be" without acknowledging that also means there's no reason not to have FSM lol

[unreal cosmos]

hella

[naive abyss]

the fact the primaris werent used just to shake off that stupid yoke still boggles me tbh

[unreal cosmos]

I wish there were more femme head options with the lil ear covers most SM heads have, it's a good touch

[unreal cosmos]

perfect opportunity, yeah

[naive abyss]

and has me very convinced there is someone high up just screeching at meetins that they cant

[white mural]

I wish there were more female Genestealer head options

[unreal cosmos]

the ones they have are real good but yeah

[white mural]

I think there’s like one

Er theres 2

[jaunty dawn]

the first gsc wave was before gw realised women exist sadly

[naive abyss]

yehp

[white mural]

I want more GSC models

[naive abyss]

or that woman didnt have to have boob bag clothing/armor to be woman minis

few things gave me more life than chuds getting so tilted over lov and their lady rep

[alpine quarry]

Compendium kill teams are just unapologetically ass

Tomb world 💀

[white mural]

Where are my female Aberrant!

[naive abyss]

in the same pit as the female ogres and ogryn

[alpine quarry]

If by reboot you mean age of sigmar, thats because they kinda just went like

[floral herald]

Some of the compendiums are pretty good

[naive abyss]

though im pretty sure one of the new gorgers is a lady

[alpine quarry]

"and then everyone died. the end"

"heres a cool new setting"

[naive abyss]

also shout out to the gorgers just being great models

[white mural]

Yeahp

[naive abyss]

it also didnt help that early aos looked like "are you ready for fantasy marines?"

[unreal cosmos]

if FEC are any indication, if we had Aberrants come out now you'd definitely be able to tell some were female lol

[floral herald]

Though they’re mostly just not balanced the same way the strong end tend to work out pretty well

[naive abyss]

and every person into oldhammer and/or exhausted of marines spontaneously combusted

[white mural]

FEC?

[unreal cosmos]

Flesh Eater Courts

you got some uh

[naive abyss]

i love the saggies

the most concrete proof aos sculptors are not cowards

[white mural]

Oh I almost bought the start collecting for flesh eaters courts but more of friends play 40K

[alpine quarry]

If by reboot you mean old world, thats because the only people alive who care about whf are either chuds or autistic trans people (me, thats me)

[naive abyss]

though ironically stormcast are in a weird spot range wise now too i feel

[white mural]

I have a battalion of vampire counts

[unreal cosmos]

yeah they speedran the space marine design shift

[naive abyss]

where the more recent armor and stormcast just sorta make the rest look kinda bad

[naive abyss]

no yeah exactly

and got them coed

like sure you can say the old ones were but like weve seen how they design coed now for them lol

[alpine quarry]

Stormcast design was actually such a big contributor to aos hate

[naive abyss]

absolutely

early stormcast overall just didnt look good really i feel

[white mural]

I do like that stormcast has really nice female models

[alpine quarry]

It was this shitty transition, you check the new setting and posters boys are just space marines without guns visually

[naive abyss]

but like as they actually got lore and beter models the storm cast became a faction i actually like

[alpine quarry]

True!

I love aos models

[unreal cosmos]

their new look has way more versimilitude which I think is a strength of recent GW sculpts in general

[naive abyss]

to the point i look at them and just often am like "hey marines catch up"

[alpine quarry]

They are all peak fiction
Except like
High elves

[unreal cosmos]

even big over the top designs look like they kinda exist in their own physical world

[jaunty dawn]

i made the marines catch up by using stormcast as conversion pieces haha

[unreal cosmos]

popular choice

[alpine quarry]

Idoneth all look so good

[naive abyss]

lumineth exist in this bizarre set of exteremems of models i really like and ones i really dont/that i find weird in a sorta bleh way

[jaunty dawn]

and then indomitus came out and the assault intercessors had the same style of vambrace

[naive abyss]

idoneth are by far the best elf faction in aos modle wise though imo

[naive abyss]

well heres the thing

marines literally just need some unhelmeted lady heads

so yeah just slap stormcast or lov heads on them lol

cuz the lov heads also fit really well

[alpine quarry]

Idoneth are an extremely well designed elf faction in general
One of the best in fantasy imo

Because they are very original imo

[jaunty dawn]

the main thing I did was convert a librarian using evocator arms

[naive abyss]

the warcry team has shown me that fyreslayers can be good

they just in thier full range arent atm

[alpine quarry]

I also really like aos fec models

[naive abyss]

kharadron are great but bizarrely just never get anything

[alpine quarry]

Their fb remnants look goofy ahh tho

[naive abyss]

tbh overall thats my big issue with aos. the sheer lack of dorf love

[alpine quarry]

Like holy shit just toss those ghouls in the fire

[naive abyss]

like we got a chorf kill team that was human thralls instead of some chorfs

like holy shit just give us the chorfs i beg

[alpine quarry]

Chaos dwarves.......

God the chais dwarf endings are so stupid xd

In both end times and whatever the alternate timeline was called

They just

Die off screen

Entire faction

"oh yea orks killed them i guess, anyways"

[white mural]

I don’t know if there’s a way to wrap up a setting like Warhammer fantasy and do it satisfyingly

It’s so big some one was bound to be left out

And most factions were

[naive abyss]

i mean i can think of various ways that are better than "we are trying to kill every named characters as quickly as possible while pretending its a story"

[alpine quarry]

Archaon dying in the alt timeline is so funny like holy shit

[naive abyss]

storm of chaos isnt even canon lol

like end times was after that

cuz gw got angry chaos lost

[white mural]

See I’ve never read any of that since I was young when it all happened so I don’t really have a dog in that horse

[alpine quarry]

Timeline 1: archaon destroys the universe, and then countless more. He is a god of destruction, almost equal to the 4, and they tremble, afraid of what theyve made

Timeline 2: ork warboss joined the siege and bonked archaon with an axe from behind, killing him instantly. Warboss then left

Peak writing

[naive abyss]

eule what are you even talking about lol

cuz that doesnt happen in any version

[alpine quarry]

I remember it!

[white mural]

Lmao

[alpine quarry]

Or did i just mandela archaon dying to an ork

[naive abyss]

you did yes

[white mural]

Archeon is cringe

[naive abyss]

archaon is great

is the less memed abbadon

now mannfred? mannfred is a horrible little cringe fail child

[white mural]

Lmao I know about Mannfrd a bit because I have this baby

[naive abyss]

nice

[white mural]

I got a lot of VC stuff from a family friend

[naive abyss]

but yeah hes literally why the old world blew up more or less

counts are great

[topaz elk]

He just couldn’t keep his revenge boner in his pants for

One second

[naive abyss]

it wasnt even revenge at that point

[topaz elk]

Literally he could have waited until they were done saving the world to stab Gelt

[naive abyss]

it was just betrayal for no reason other than like maybe spite

[white mural]

Mannfred is a scheming little doofus

[naive abyss]

i do appreciate nagash in aos uses him like a stress toy

[topaz elk]

I’m glad his current role in AOS is being Nagash’s least favorite failure

Where even his realm just makes him realize how sad his life is

[naive abyss]

literally brought along to delay neferata tbh

[alpine quarry]

Okay i read up on it and i think i didnt mandela it???

Grimgor just came into the final battle, cleaved through valtens forces and fucked up archaon
Then left
The end
Lmao

[naive abyss]

like "you are literally here to keep her distracted enough that i can avoid getting stabbed by her"

[topaz elk]

Yah Grimgor beat up Archaon

I don’t know why he didn’t like

Kill him though

[naive abyss]

cuz chaos needs to win

[topaz elk]

I mean yah but like

[naive abyss]

gw has no idea how to do anything in their settings other than that

[topaz elk]

A better written reason then that

[white mural]

Oh Grimgor is at least like a cool ork

[alpine quarry]

So i was right!!!
I didnt mandela it

[naive abyss]

he wasnt dead after that fight eule

like grimgor did kick in his shit

[alpine quarry]

I think its unspecified

[white mural]

What is eule?

[topaz elk]

Them

[naive abyss]

lol

yes

[white mural]

I’m dum

[alpine quarry]

Apparently grimgor entered the fight by headbutting archaon

[naive abyss]

i mean he literal shows up to do other shit after that fight

so i guess?

[alpine quarry]

Peak fiction

[alpine quarry]

Was there stuff after storm of chaos??

[naive abyss]

yes

[alpine quarry]

Guh

[naive abyss]

storm was partially retconned

the grimgor fight didnt even happen in storm of chaos lol

that was end times

[alpine quarry]

I am losing my mind

Okay it doesnt matter they both suck

[alpine quarry]

Nights dark masters is a really interesting book too tbh

[naive abyss]

storm of chaos wouldve been fine if gw actually hadnt like just ignored the whole event they did for it cuz they were salty and didnt prep for both eventualities. end times was just badly written lol

[alpine quarry]

It is also really funny if youve ever read vtm

[naive abyss]

like all the distaste over storm of chaos was it was meant to be an event to just sorta advance the settins timeline decided by the results of games played by players. but gw hadnt prepped for the empire winning for some reason. so they just went "no acthcually chaos won" then people got angry it was then pseudo retconned out of happening and a while after that end times happened lol

[white mural]

That’s really weird

[naive abyss]

yehp

[alpine quarry]

I was too young to follow that, my intro to whf was through ffg

[naive abyss]

valid

[alpine quarry]

But holy shit it makes it sound worse

[naive abyss]

i was both barely old enough to remember some of it and have looked into many of the details

[naive abyss]

its very much why there was so much backlash and salt

[white mural]

When did Warhammer fantasy end exactly?

[alpine quarry]

At least 6 years ago

[naive abyss]

it was very much gw going "we take back the sandwhich we werent ready to make you we said we were ready to make and now we are handing you a shit sandwhich you dont want"

[alpine quarry]

Maybe more

[naive abyss]

8 years

which is wild for me to think about

man its been eight fucking years

[white mural]

8 years ago so I would’ve been 14

[alpine quarry]

It really sounds like they just wanted to capitalize on fb audience for a new setting

[naive abyss]

well no

well yes and no

its more fantasy battle hadnt turned a profit in years for them

[alpine quarry]

Well yes, it needed to end

[naive abyss]

cuz allot of its players just had their armies and didnt buy anything

well less it needed to end and more it needed to wait for total war to actually come out

and continuing refreshing its ranges

[white mural]

Warhammer total war is amazing

[naive abyss]

like gw decided to murder fantasy a year before arguably the most popular warhammer game to ever come out was set to release

which is a warhammer fantasy game

[alpine quarry]

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-brothers-movie-turning-to-dust-this-is-it-luigi-mario-suprise-gif-24884752

[naive abyss]

like literally if they bit the bullet and just kept refreshing the very very old, to the point allot of shit was metal, ranges of fantasy to coincide with total war

whfb probably wouldve become profitable imo

[naive abyss]

same

[white mural]

I love making people fee

Old

[alpine quarry]

8 years ago i would be 12

[white mural]

I turn 23 in January

[alpine quarry]

Reception of aos was hugely impacted by the thread connecting it to fb being made out of shit
Do you think if they just decided to not explain the connections outside of "distant future ooo" it couldve worked out?

[naive abyss]

maybe

[alpine quarry]

Because aos is cool but the characters and callbacks are also important to its identity

[naive abyss]

but like if they had still done end times and the done aos but not have the stated lore connection people wouldve still connected the dots lol

like the ideal version of events to me would be. whfb never died and was refreshed to conincide total war. aos happens but like the concept of teh world that was is way more of a mystery and shit and how we got to this eventuality is like more mysterious and etc

[alpine quarry]

I really like what aos does with old characters a lot of the time

Gotrek is just peak fiction

[naive abyss]

like this wouldve also avoided one of aos's big issues in that aos lore and shit is like both out paces its models by allot and tends to be sorta scattershot

cuz i feel they feel they need to make up for murdering like thirty years of lore lol

cuz if whfb just carried on aos could in theory have taken way more timet to develop its shit and etc

[alpine quarry]

Still waiting for any news on malekith tbh

They had very cool setup for him and ulgu

For years now

[proud wing]

after watching some videos of it, the actual warhammer game seems...not very fun

for all of its dice rolls and complexities, there doesn't seem to be a lot of actual meaningful decision making

and for glass cannon-type armies, the game is kinda just decided by who goes first

on top of really awful balance

a bunch of factions have abilities just focused on a status condition that doesn't trigger often and barely even has an effect

and some factions have abilities that let themselves just get 6s at key moments

[white mural]

The fun is in drinking wine and painting minis with lesbians

[floral herald]

Ok

[proud wing]

like, i know the game itself isn't actually the focal point of the hobby

it just seems like...i don't know, a missed opportunity?

[floral herald]

I mean “I’ve never played it but it seems like ass” is not really gonna drive a lot of conversation

[white mural]

I find 40K is plenty fun just give it a try

[floral herald]

Same

[white mural]

My reccomendation is try a 10th edition combat patrol and find someone to play it on table top sim

[runic swallow]

The game has issues, but there is a good bit to do with positioning of the models, what you choose to target and with what, etc

It’s not just “pick list that instantly wins”

Though yeah there’s a lot of balance problems

[white mural]

Don’t expect a balanced game

But it’s not really trying to be overly balanced

[floral herald]

I actually disagree, 40K balance is in a pretty decent spot

[proud wing]

that's fair, sorry

[floral herald]

Some of that is competitive skew though but it cuts both ways

[runic swallow]

I should say I’ve not played since 8th, so it’s good to hear it’s a bit better

[floral herald]

I haven’t played a lot of 10e but GW has a much more data driven balance model now and fucks around with balance a lot more

Ofc 10e launched really badly balanced but a lot of that shook out by now

[white mural]

I havnt actually played it 10th with any of the updated rules

[floral herald]

I'm not speaking as a mod or anything but this is a gonna be a fairly biased section of the server for this haha

[soft willow]

10th is in a good spot, there's a lot of meaningful decision making in the game, but it's hard to see that from a stream perspective.

[floral herald]

Ok I think it got deleted but I saw that competitive skew question and had an answer in my head

[soft willow]

Like when you use strategems and how you move around objectives really does make you think through things.

[floral herald]

"Skew lists" are basically lists which lean really hard into a few units or a specific playstyle, usually spamming a couple of particularly strong models. Imperial guard tank spam, triple riptide, the Deathwing army list, etc

Often you get an army which is generally quite weak but has access to a highly competitive skew list which can make it appear to be doing much better than it is competitively

[proud wing]

both of the "40K in 40m" videos I watched were about a glass cannon army that failed the roll to go first and just lost a huge chunk of their army on turn 1

but i realize that's probably not emblematic of the whole

[floral herald]

Like how in early 10e the Admech were in a really dire spot in general but had a really good kataphron spam skew list which actually managed to take a major

It was pretty much all you could play competitively but its often not that fun to play a faction with 1 really strong army list and a bunch of junk so GW tries to avoid that

[white mural]

Hey y’all do y’all have any advice for magnetizing some units

[floral herald]

I am a magnet addict

[white mural]

I was planning on only magnetizing my vehicle

[floral herald]

Yeah that's often a risk to that kind of army, though usually I think people hide all their units in deployment now to make it less likely to happen

[proud wing]

i had a miniatures game called Heroscape as a kid. It had a mechanic where at the beginnning of each turn you would secretly put a marker on each unit indicating which order you would move them (players alternated moving one unit at a time)

[white mural]

Doesn’t really seem necessary to magnetize neophytes

[proud wing]

and it was such a fuckin good mechanic

it added both a mindgame element of trying to figure out which order your opponent decided to move their units, and made you think carefully about how to prioritize your own units

[floral herald]

So the basic tricks for magnetizing are:

• use a hand hobby drill, don't use an electric drill with plastic models
• match your drill bit with the size of the magnet to be installed
• use sharpie to indicate sides on the magnets. Exhaustively pre-check your magnet polarity because digging a magnet out of a curing hole SUCKS

Oh, and this is probably obvious but I've heard of people not thinking about it, but magnets can't be mounted with plastic cement super glue has to be used

[white mural]

Thankies

[floral herald]

I personally use a stack of magnets to stick them in and have a little bent piece of sprue I clipped at an angle to remove the rest of the stack of magnets and leave just the one in the hole

[soft willow]

When in doubt, drill the hole a little larger than your magnet if you can't find a perfect match.

[white mural]

Didn’t even think about polarity

[floral herald]

It sucks so bad to get it mixed up

It's very demoralizing realizing that your magnets are repelling not attracting hahaha

[soft willow]

If you're magnetizing a larger hollow item, like say a Knight's weapons or a turret, you can make a little base for your magents with sprue.

And or putty.

[floral herald]

Yeah for big stuff its better to mount the magnet in a little mound of green stuff in a hull space but it depends on what you're magnetizing really

A lot of models also have really good guides around forums and such and a lot of it is pretty contextual unless you're doing infantry

[white mural]

I’m just hype for my new models

All my other models are hand me downs

[naive abyss]

slowly and surely im being given the stuff i need for DA lol

happy to have some termies whose design i really like in the new scale

[white mural]

Oooooo

[naive abyss]

and i still have a suspicion DA are getting more stuff. whether it be some risen stuff or etc

[proud wing]

i have realized Kill Team is a different game using warhammer miniatures instead of the name of an expansion

it sounds like it is much more my jam

the harlequin faction has a mechanic where they choose what genre each battle is, and get bonuses for it

"you fool, you may have wiped us out, but all you've done is made this battle a touching allegory for tragedy. the rave reviews are coming in, and there's nothing you can do to stop them!"

[floral herald]

Oh yeah the clowns are great

[thin ibex]

Kill Team is very cool

It's much more a skirmish game

Rather than a war game

[solemn gull]

I love mordheim

[thin ibex]

I want to get more kill team under my belt tbh

Need to learn the ins and outs of my favorite ones

And learn how to beat the big csm/sm walls

[naive abyss]

https://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/chosm/arks-of-omen-brothers-showdown

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/03/the-advent-engine-3rd-december-2023/

todays a easy one

[past sphinx]

Necromunda is baller as hell

But admittedly has a higher barrier to entry than killteam of 40k

Some gangs are fiddly to build and paint

[naive abyss]

from another server "Look at the decals. Section 136-456 and MINEFIELD
THose exact decals are in the Death Korps Kill Team box" not sure how accurate it is but it would line up with some recent rumors about DK getting more plastic

which tbh i wouldnt complain about cuz then i could maybe shift my napoleonic old guard guard to using them as the base for conversions lol

[rocky shale]

I totally didn't magnetize the autocannons on my forgefiend so that they only mount upside down, nope.

Definitely didn't have to use greenstuff and extra parts on the sprue to make it look presentable upside down

[naive abyss]

this reminds me of goober towns really good tip on that

in which you keeps magnets in sets of two connected to each other and has like magnet trays

[junior robin]

huh, it does, they just painted over parts of the first "4"

(2 year old picture from reddit so should be no fakery) 🤔

[naive abyss]

id be down for DK in plastic if only cuz then one of the old big reasons people gave FW money would be gone

[naive abyss]

i can probably dig up the transfers from my box of them but let me just see if i can find a sellers posting lol

ebay posting that states its the kilteam transfers so yeah

tbh doing plastic DK is ultimately a smart move i feel

like its arguably the most popular guard regiment these days

[junior robin]

if only they are generous enough and gives us plastic DK ragnaroks as well 🥺

[naive abyss]

hud didnt know those were DK

i thought they were vostroyan

[junior robin]

straight from the civil war on Krieg

also the Siegfried, tanks built to replace sentinels.

[naive abyss]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/kitbashed-technowizard

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/xun-bakyr-the-mother-of-oblivion

[tired cairn]

just use a KV2 model

[junior robin]

I could remove the tracks from a sm demolisher, extend the barrel and attach it to the top of a rogal dorn

[solemn gull]

Hell yeah

Luv necromunda

[past sphinx]

Nfeyma has a killer ragnarok kit that I used

[junior robin]

sadly looks too much like a leman russ, big turret is just half the charm of the original, the scrungly tracks are just as important

[cinder wraith]

argal tal :3

[dense sedge]

are there any good gsc proxy 3d print things out there?

[pine matrix]

Big Hand McMike Lookin Good

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/oldhammer/comments/11gy0qe/gary_chalk_oldhammer_dwarfs_art_print_link_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/garychalkpics/status/1590358508494782464/photo/1

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/comments/189toas/grymnir_conversion_and_first_lava_base/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDSOrO8QX3o

[white mural]

Does anyone know a good etsy store that makes small stickers for warhammer models

[pastel rampart]

You're more likely to find waterslide decals than stickers at that size.

[white mural]

ah that works too

[pastel rampart]

Any specific ones?

[white mural]

Im trying to get a custom decal that's a "this machine kills [blank]" sticker

/decal

SOmething like this but saying sisters or imperials instead of fascists

maybe I will justcut out a stencil

wanna put it on my rock grinder goliath

[pastel rampart]

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1573916193/custom-miniature-waterslide-decal-sheets This one does customs but it might be constrained by the pattern shown

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1494928268/custom-design-decal-sheet This one doesn't seem to but is more expensive.

If you have access to a printer you can buy the transfer sheets and print your own.

[white mural]

transfew sheets?

ah looked it up

I work in a print sho

[pastel rampart]

Transfer sheets are another term for waterslide decals.

[white mural]

with like 40k dollar konicas

[pastel rampart]

Oh, well then, should be easy enough to print your own design.

[white mural]

neat

[pastel rampart]

https://www.amazon.com/Hayes-Paper-Waterslide-Water-Slide-Transparent/dp/B077TMFVL9?th=1 Yeah 20-pack for less than the price of a custom from one of those stores.

[white mural]

Yeah I print all the homework, documents, etc for a school district

[pastel rampart]

I've never done a custom print with one so I wouldn't know how that works. Plenty of experience applying decals to 40k models tho.

[white mural]

should be easy enough :P

[proud wing]

https://youtu.be/P0FnYyzCHz4

this is a really well-made series

[naive abyss]

oh i know this channel

yeah they do good killteam reports

[white mural]

How is kill team played?

[proud wing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAfqkP5gi84

basically, you take turns moving one character at a time. each character has 2 or 3 AP per turn to move, shoot, melee attack, etc., but they can't do the same action twice per turn

shooting has infinite range as long as you have line of sight, but you can't shoot if you're engaged in melee range or the enemy is taking cover

there are four turns to get VP either from the main objectives on the board or the missions you were randomly dealt

it's honestly a really solid game

[pastel rampart]

https://fxtwitter.com/anniegreengable/status/1731286038683783626?s=46&t=lQAmli6_WZFfCjW6Pw9IqA

[soft willow]

Smol tonks:

[dense sedge]

legionis imperialis?

[white mural]

Beautiful

[floral herald]

Those are delightful

I might have to get into LI

[white mural]

I’m hype for my combat patrol to come in

[soft willow]

Honestly? They’ve been fun to put together and will look very cool painted on a shelf even if you don’t play the game much.

[soft willow]

Which one did you get?

[white mural]

Thinking of designing/printing a bunch of water slide decals for it since I wanna go for a union punk-y theme with them

Genestealers

I just got into a break up and I wanted to spend a bunch of money on a hobby to distract myself

[soft willow]

GSC are a perfect project for that.

[white mural]

Usually would not spend this much money and would just bu cheap minis to paint

So I wanna go out of my way to make this look good

[soft willow]

Honestly it’s worth taking the time and doing it up from NIB once in a while even if you’re being cost conscious.

[white mural]

Probably only going to magnetize the bases and rock grinders weapons doesnt seem necessary to magnetize neophyte weapons

NIB?

[soft willow]

New In Box

[white mural]

Ah

I don’t make a lot of money so a 130 dollar box is a lot

[soft willow]

Yeah please don’t magnetize Neophytes. You will be very upset with yourself.

[white mural]

Acolytes also seem unecessary

The only thing that seems worth magnetizing is the rock grinder

[soft willow]

Yeah honestly any large infantry blobs don’t bother with, vehicles are about the only place it seems worthwhile to me.

[dense sedge]

ehhhh, another recruit to the cult

I've got the boarding patrol, a box of purestrains and a saboteur

[white mural]

Yeahp played them a few times in table top simulator

I bought the combat patrol and found the upgrade frame for 5$ on eBay

Will probably just buy any more genestealers on eBay

Or similar second hand shops

[dense sedge]

nice, after I finish my purestrains I'll be picking up the combat patrol

[desert jay]

Some people like magnetizing special weapons guys but often you have enough spare bodies to not worry about it

[dense sedge]

painting the power tools is so fun, unfortunately I really messed up my carapaces on those guys so you don't even noticed them because of how bad the arms are

[desert jay]

But it's also only 1 or 2 guys per squad

[dense sedge]

I wish we had 3 so we could paint all three of the power tools

[white mural]

I kinda wish I had a few more neophytes to throw on the rock grinder and make it look packed.

[dense sedge]

I also have some scourges but those are just to give me a break from the mining suits and carapaces

kill team, warcry, underworlds, Malifaux and Bushido all interest me, which is particularly annoying given my adhd hyperfixation skipping

[white mural]

ADHD gang

[dense sedge]

going with what is widely seen as one of the hardest armies to paint makes it harder too

[white mural]

Are they? Damn

[dense sedge]

with the neophytes I got burned out and rushed the skin which is a big part of why they turned out so horribly

[white mural]

Atalan Jackals look cool af and I kinda wanna snag some

[dense sedge]

yeah, the jackals are neat

them and a broodcoven are the next things I'll pick up after the combat patrol

[white mural]

Just like the idea of some redneck genestealers using old dirtbikes for reconasance

[dense sedge]

you get to have both weird mutant freaks and also have insurgents. I just wish that we had more big mosnteres

[white mural]

We get no cool monsters

Well I guess the patriarch

More lady pants theives would be great too

[solemn gull]

I mean everyone is bald and wearing mining gear right?

[soft willow]

Kinda. There are obviously feminine models in the range, but it’s pretty much a handful of characters and not really anything else.

[lofty warren]

Has anyone made a kit to make atalan jackals into not-cultists

i like the bikers but im not a fan of GSC people

[thin ibex]

I think the gsc saboteur is by favorite artillery unit in terms of how it's narrative communicates its weapon

[south axle]

There are a couple of conversions around, mostly just headswaps or upperbody swaps tho, not really seen a kit for the Atalan Jackals

[grand vigil]

Which primarch was more technologically talented, ferrus or vulkan?

[wide wind]

Ferrus created Vulkans bolter and I think that's enough.

[thin ibex]

Is always hard to say on account of ferrus' narrative role being to die; but I do think it's implied that his craftsmanship was possibly the highest amongst his siblings

[pulsar cairn]

he was friends with Fulgrim and crafted a sword for him

[jovial berry]

ME

I want a little blueberry

[pulsar cairn]

[quaint compass]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-eating-gif-19824903

Me when I fucking get them (Ultramarines)

[naive abyss]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/04/this-squat-champion-has-a-mining-laser-and-hes-not-afraid-to-use-it/

[tired cairn]

Are Squats in Necromunda LoV affiliated or some cut off splinter group?

[naive abyss]

They're lov who got stranded

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/04/old-world-almanack-how-magic-brings-a-sparkle-to-the-battlefield/

[past sphinx]

How in the hell do we get a monoload out champion instead of an upgrade box

Mfw the mining laser isn't even taller than that champion

[jaunty dawn]

mostly latter. they settled necromunda in the wake of the heresy to participate in the rebuilding effort and have been a seperate society since doing mining n that

if ironheads get another plastic box it probably will be specialists

all the gangs have resin champions n stuff

[past sphinx]

Also their mostly ripping up past civilisations to sell for scrap and crashed ships and such as necromunda has been strip mined for ages

[past sphinx]

Oddly we have the brute and four hired guns but no weapon sprue

Though having everyone capable be for hire is very dorfy

[jaunty dawn]

the weapons are kinda weird

[past sphinx]

Mechanically?

[jaunty dawn]

just in terms of kit distribution

like palatines have plastic brutes and plastic specialists

corpse grinders just have resin weapon upgrades

[naive abyss]

Or how the squat vehicles/exos are all resin but others have plastic for it

[jaunty dawn]

but then it's also weird cause big vehicle combat expansion and only squats and palatines got real vehicles

[naive abyss]

I wish the squat mech was plastic

[jaunty dawn]

not that I really hate any of the models the house gangs did get but I am pretty dissapointed ngl

like a ridgerunner is two sprues

[past sphinx]

Most of ash wastes is built on custom vehicle rules

[jaunty dawn]

that's how it's turned out yes

that was not how it was pitched

[naive abyss]

Munda sculpt material decision making has always seemed eldritch to me Ngl lol

[past sphinx]

We got that passion project juice flowing

We got delaque specific hangers on for hangers on We have multiple of in one case

Why?

Because that's what they wanted to make

Might as well read tea leaves

[white mural]

It’s like 3 characters

[jaunty dawn]

I mean that's not necessarily the vibe I got from the handmaiden but I'm here for it

just go apeshit

https://tenor.com/view/punching-kamala-khan-iman-vellani-ms-marvel-smashing-gif-25267713

[white mural]

Lmao

[past sphinx]

The tremendous French backhand

[naive abyss]

It's goofy and fun but cool which means it's the correct vibe imo

[proud wing]

the harlequin models look cool, but the fact that they're mostly attached to the base by just a few toes terrifies me

like, Jesus, add a transparent support beam or something

[jaunty dawn]

modern gw plastic is really stable

honestly not an issue with minis like that

[proud wing]

huh, good to know

it still makes me feel nervous tho

[jaunty dawn]

you should see some of the nighthaunt haha

[tired cairn]

Tiny connections to the base of GW showing off with their plastic tech. And maybe to make things a bit harder for recasters

[mental birch]

it's been my theory for ages

also my annoyance for transporting them

RIP stilt boy

[jaunty dawn]

does make the new cthulu carry case a bit mistifying

[jaunty dawn]

nice!!!

[naive abyss]

Vibe

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/959864760441118790/1181264368348975134/image0.jpg?ex=65806d2c&is=656df82c&hm=e39dc4aa50fa0b6fc321e87822a8371b2abf2bdf02c832fc1f7edbaedbe1fb3c&

[jaunty dawn]

furry cloak?

[junior robin]

seals matching the pipe skeleton

[jaunty dawn]

more of those seals yeah

also slightly better picture of pipe skeleton cause this border is thiner

[pastel rampart]

Me at 7am hearing the cat at the door.

[junior robin]

could it be Leman Russ returning? 👀

[naive abyss]

The vibe feels off for that

[pastel rampart]

Ends up being another primaris lieutenant.

[thin ibex]

the primaris lieutenant meme appeals to me

[naive abyss]

My somewhat unhinged guess is it's sigmar

Or maybe a very fancy warrior priest

[tired cairn]

https://youtu.be/0cHNFChdywY?si=vkHAswbDWF948JqY

[jaunty dawn]

I think it's old world empire

the seals at least

[naive abyss]

Maybe yeah

[jaunty dawn]

cause it makes sense they'd design them to be distinct from imperium purity seals

without like, getting rid of that aspect of The Empire entirely

[torn arrow]

getting nostalgic here not for the rules but for the little explanations with circles

40k used to do that a lot and it's cool

(maybe it still does, idk)

[pastel rampart]

Battle reports were cool like that, yeah

[pulsar cairn]

if we redid eggman's announcement in 40k

who would be eggman

and who would be the bitchass you know what

[onyx elm]

Are there some decent stories in the Black Library regarding the Eldar (Aldari)?

[proud wing]

horus would me making an announcement against the emperor

ez

[proud wing]

https://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/novels/ghost-warrior-rise-of-the-ynnari-ebook.html

[long void]

Abaddon, pre-13th black crusade

[pulsar cairn]

that would explain the black stone fortress

who's shadow?

[long void]

we can make up a reason for Cypher to be active

look at him

[white mural]

I really like GSC in part because it’s both a Xenos and Imperial Faction

[naive abyss]

i find it funny you linked his old model lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AawYph-0Rq8&t=1s&ab_channel=RogueHobbies

[proud wing]

I appreciate Alpha Legion for enabling me to use any Space Marine models with the lore that they're not actually imperial, just secret covert undercover sleeper agents

[soft willow]

Secret Covert Undercover Alphariuses

[proud wing]

*Alpharii

[jaunty dawn]

alphareese

[white mural]

True

Alpha legion is great

[pastel rampart]

Secret Covert Undercover Brother Alpharius (S.C.U.B.A.)

[dense sedge]

the blister magus, the jackal alphus and the reductus saboteur are female I belive

[white mural]

Yeah just those 3

All characters

[proud wing]

i wonder if we'll ever get a book about the plastic surgeon who spends all day making every alpha marine's face a copy of alpharius

what do you think they're like

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/itsaliving-flintstones-flinstones-squawk-whatever-gif-23412047

I imagine this.

[floral herald]

Doesn't that happen sort of automatically?

I had thought to process of making people into space marines made them look more like their primarch

[bright dove]

To varying degrees, yeah.

[soft willow]

Don’t talk to me and my son ever again:

[grand vigil]

What's the timeline of The primarchs scattering and Emps going to Mars for the Olympus Treaty

[proud wing]

that's not even a miniature at that point

[naive abyss]

Few centuries I think

[soft willow]

Knights are definately models not miniatures.

Except the bitty one in front.

[solemn gull]

Damn just finished the night lords trilogy

Big feels

Tears were jerked which I never expected from such a cast of awful people

[runic swallow]

They’re horrible assholes but they’re our horrible assholes

[solemn gull]

I don’t want to say Talos was “not that bad” but I don’t know how else to describe it

Compared to everyone else in 40k

He was a alright guy

Still definitely not good

https://tenor.com/view/wreck-it-ralph-zangief-bad-guy-bad-mean-gif-4526339

[untold swallow]

Honestly why was Zangief even in these meetings?

[torn arrow]

He's worked for bison before

[desert jay]

Apparently…

Phil Johnston has said that he made Zangief a bad guy in the film because he couldn't defeat the wrestler as a kid, and thought Zangief would feel remorse for the difficulty players had in fighting him.

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1731360196641874198?t=jHpxfKqvuIecHGsxW5vFlw&s=19

[naive abyss]

As others said in the very old games he was a villain

Cuz cold war lol

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/cnmbwjx/status/1731850399169310810

[bright dove]

Look at Miss Anger Issues

[proud wing]

oh thank goodness they sculpted breasts into it so we would know it's Girl Armor

[ebon forge]

Lorgar wants literally thoughts and prayers for his healing 🙏

[white mural]

Female Angron 🤤

I live for artistic depictions if the primarchs as women

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/cnmbwjx/status/1628939875482505217 FemCorax tho

[naive abyss]

My faves are very predictable lol

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/959864760441118790/1181625534417993738/image0.jpg?ex=6581bd88&is=656f4888&hm=7f188f22e887e6bd91e72a30910c6194e8c48ab4adc11041fb14cf5ff25c2758&

I feel like this one is taking the piss lol

[past sphinx]

That's just a branch gw

Chaos squats.

[naive abyss]

Lol

[past sphinx]

Big into branches them lot

[pulsar cairn]

isn't there a space marine chapter that only sends in a single astartes to the planets they try to help? as in they send them as instructors to train folks and all that

[jaunty dawn]

alpha legion hehe

[tired cairn]

Given how apothecaries work, this isn't that unreasonable >.>

[jaunty dawn]

imperium doesn't. really like insurgency even on their side imo

like their doctrine is an overwhelming display of force, not teaching people the power of collective action

cause then you run into the problem of your insurgents realising imperial rule is no better and oh no, they're now highly trained

[ebon forge]

My guy got 2 plasma to the body from a warhound I think a trusted Apothecary could help

[unreal cosmos]

That's all artistic depictions of the Primarchs if you have the right headcanons (pic of guy tapping his head)

Roboute Guilliman is a he/him butch lesbian

[unreal cosmos]

The Mentors!

[pastel rampart]

Mentors chapter.

[ebon forge]

Give me the REALISTIC FEMALE ANGRON

[mental birch]

My custom skittari marshall

[mental birch]

So a pule of muscle?

[ebon forge]

Very gud ❤️

[pulsar cairn]

ooh, cool

i like their idea

[unreal cosmos]

Shoulda kept her bald

[ebon forge]

agreed, cowards

[pulsar cairn]

i feel like they help a lot more in the long run than most other chapters

[ebon forge]

Even the anime one left her bald

[past sphinx]

Their called mentor legions there's a few I believe. Though I think your referring to the white consuls

[unreal cosmos]

Mentors is a specific chapter

Their lore is old and has probably been tweaked once or twice

Funny story, there's fluff that could be read as them getting beta pre-order Primaris demos

Because they also field tested stuff for the Mechanics and every now and then they'd field real big guys

[past sphinx]

Aren't there a few chapters that have had suspiciously huge dudes for a whilex

[unreal cosmos]

Also I have a very appropriate tweet for this Angron talk but not on hand

[past sphinx]

?

[unreal cosmos]

I think so yeah

[ebon forge]

Would love to see

I have a love/hate relationship with Angron tbh
been reading betrayer
been gud

[pulsar cairn]

they look cool

[unreal cosmos]

Gimme like fifteen minutes

The Mentors also have slaves unfortunately, though not really moreso than most other chapters

[ebon forge]

Yeah sadly I think all of the imperium uses slaves

[unreal cosmos]

It's just more evident because they actually bring 'em along for operations as support crew

As chapter serf jobs go there are definitely worse ones

[past sphinx]

Serfs don't really have a choice either

[jaunty dawn]

mm mentors embed in imperial battlegroups

and white consuls lead ultramar auxilia type forces

[unreal cosmos]

Ahh interesting

[proud wing]

yeah you're not going to find any morally acceptable chapters in the imperium

the Salamanders are meant to be the closest thing

[past sphinx]

Salamanders just choose to protect labor over equipment

[jaunty dawn]

raven guard do do some insurgency stuff. especially during the heresy

[thin ibex]

Salamanders comparatively to other chapters are often far more empathetic and willing to protect an imperial citizen on the virtue of them being an imperial citizen. Objectively they are still more than willing to commit terrible acts and visit terrifying harm upon imperials and others in the name of the emperor.

[jaunty dawn]

with the moritat protocol for which the moritat from hh being a single raven guard being sent to do insurgency training

[thin ibex]

i enjoy the raven guard/alpha legion parallels

[mental birch]

Thanks!

[past sphinx]

Corvus hated slavers with every breath I'll give him that

[jaunty dawn]

but I would imagine that like. the absence of corax and the drift in imperial culture over the 10,000 years has de-emphasised that

while its still a core part of alpha legion doctrine

[naive abyss]

Similar thing with scars

[jaunty dawn]

like on vraks the alpha legion were the first to show up

[naive abyss]

They're educated philosophy energy has been slowly lost

[ebon forge]

Have you read the new Alpha Legion book?
sad stuff

[unreal cosmos]

https://vxtwitter.com/doctor_genome/status/1731842269437731273

[ebon forge]

.
I am sorry what

WHAT

[unreal cosmos]

what needs explaining here

[thin ibex]

I feel like there's some missing context, at least for me?

[jaunty dawn]

sjust a trans angron joke

[thin ibex]

Ohhh

It's about angron

I thought it was about a character thar wasn't mentioned or something

Like a novel character from a book I haven't read

[unreal cosmos]

also for context "estrogen would have saved her" is a minor meme that people will occasionally throw at characters

[thin ibex]

Ohh, also context I was missing lol

Ty

[sinful merlin]

oooh nice, I've been wanting to do something similar with that gsc magos to use as a primaris psyker

[ebon forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/907019652272644117/1181671994392051854/F96N_dvWsAAbh03.jpg?ex=6581e8cd&is=656f73cd&hm=370bce97c078cdcda4f24e08910aeda072a26265d7b1935f6ac44d755f199bc5& Magnus fans will see this and say "See?He NEEDED to bulldozer the house , it would take too long to walk and knock on the door!" /j

[unreal cosmos]

He was right to do it because it's funny

[bright dove]

Well how else is he gonna reach him?

Call Malachor?

That would require trusting Malachor

[naive abyss]

Tbh it's more accurate to say he didn't know it would bulldoze the house

[thin ibex]

yeah should have a blindfold on

[naive abyss]

Cuz basically everything that went wrong was ultimately the emperor's fault tbh

[pastel rampart]

A lot of stuff wouldn't have happened if Emps had just told his sons actual important information.

Well, and actually went and saved Angron's people, that coulda helped

[bright dove]

Emps trusted Malachor more than his kids.

For some reason

[naive abyss]

Meanwhile more or less Sigmar basically was like "hammer" and then everyone cheered

[thin ibex]

emps did angron dirty for effectively no reason

[naive abyss]

In fairness he predates them and his "children" are living nukes he made in a lab

[bright dove]

While that is fair and true.

The Sigilite is his own bag of dickery.

[naive abyss]

For sure

[thin ibex]

histories biggest dickbag tag team, malcador and the emperor, since pre-history

[pastel rampart]

Malcado was more willing to be a kind of father figure to some of the primarchs than Emps was. Sort of.

[naive abyss]

I find it funny the only real mistake sigmar ever really made was putting on the funny nagash intrusive thoughts hat

[bright dove]

Sigmar knows when to not get too involved at least.

And, more importantly, when to get involved.

[pastel rampart]

Sigmar knows he's not always fit for the job.

[thin ibex]

he mostly just did a "unifying warlord via confederating tribes" classic maneuver, with not a lot of like... add ons

[naive abyss]

Like stupid himbo with a hammer being better in almost every way to the psychic uber uber mensch is forever hilarious to me

[bright dove]

Sigmar doesn't have the messiah complex is the big thing.

[pastel rampart]

I think Sigmar being better at it also comes from him being...y'know, human at one point.

[naive abyss]

He also theoretically created Republican monarchy

Since he established the whole elector count thing

[naive abyss]

And he never planned to rule forever lol

[thin ibex]

"Immortal god emperor? Hah, fuck that dude. I'm gonna go walk off into the horizon and SHIT I'm a god now."

[naive abyss]

And didn't just irrationally destroy religion

[thin ibex]

he does have the "I was an Ulrican, but worship of me has eclipsed my own religion"

[naive abyss]

Like imagine tripping hammer first into being more powerful than the "immortal psychic gestalt"

[naive abyss]

Not eclipsed tbh

And he had little control of that lol

[thin ibex]

he had very little control of it for sure, but

The Cult of Sigmar is the formal religious organization dedicated to the worship of Sigmar, preaching a warrior doctrine of duty, courage and honour. [4a]

It is the largest religion in The Empire.

It is now the foremost religion in the Empire and is inextricably intertwined with the political, cultural, and national identity of the Empire and its people. As a god, Sigmar is worshiped as a unifier of mankind, and a protector of the weak and innocent against the insidious threat of Chaos and dark magic.

[naive abyss]

It being that was to stop more civil war

Also as clever politics to justify the current emperors

Like the ulric and taal cults actively challenge the sigmarites in terms of size

[bright dove]

Sigmar basically took a look around at his new responsibilities and went "Welp. Guess this happens now. Can't do this alone."

[naive abyss]

Hell two of the most important counties worship taal and ulric more than sigmar lol

[thin ibex]

I've never read anywhere that Ulrican and Taalish worship rivals that of sigmar; just that worship for both, and others in the Imperial pantheon, remain commonly worshipped. To my best understanding, both are a minority comparative to the worship of sigmar throughout the Empire, and I've not seen anything that challenges that insofar as text.

[naive abyss]

Arguably the most important city in the empire is an Ulric holy site and home of the ulric pope

Storm there were civil wars over this

"Worshipped by warriors and soldiers, his following is strongest in the north of the Empire, but his cult is found in other parts of the Old World. Middenheim is the heart of his cult, and the base of the Ar-Ulric, the chief priest of Ulric. The Ar-Ulric is also an Elector, and one of the most politically influential and important people in the Empire.

The city is fiercely protected by the powerful Knights of the White Wolf, proud warriors and respected champions of Ulric."

[thin ibex]

Yes, I understand that, but civil wars being present in history don't assert comparative volume of worshippers or believers

Like nothing about that text blurb suggests that Ulric or Taal's cults rival Sigmars in terms of size. I suppose it could be inferred, but it's absolutely explicit that Sigmarite worship is the largest in the Empire. That's not said with any backdoors or caveats

[pastel rampart]

We aren't given hard numbers on this, but we can infer based on readings that Ulric and Taal are both sizable and probably rival Sigmar in a few places.

[naive abyss]

Like two of the biggest counties count taal or ulric respectively as their patron god

[thin ibex]

in localities? Sure, Talabecland almost certainly has comparable or even greater numbers of worshipers for Taal in its borders than sigmarites; and the same could be said for Middenland

[pastel rampart]

It's like how a bunch of middle america is evangelical as all get-out but then you get to Boston and it's just CATHOLIC

[naive abyss]

Also talabland is a rather large chunk of the empire

[tepid stratus]

In land mass yes, although I would be curious if any population numbers existed for the provinces

[naive abyss]

They don't I don't think

But two of the like five city states exist in both

Middenheim

And whatever the one in the crater is called

I always forget

[pastel rampart]

Fantasy never bothered with giving population numbers.

It has exactly enough people for a victory or a loss.

[thin ibex]

nothing suggests that the cult of Taal or the cult of Ulric rival the cult of Sigmar in terms of size across the breadth of the Empire; especially regarding the aggressive expansion of the cult of sigmar over it's life-span. Certainly not in their own lore blurbs, it takes a fair amount of inference; especially considering that the cult of sigmar's text outright just says its the largest denomination and the "foremost"

[pastel rampart]

Mordheim

[tepid stratus]

Like I'd expect Reikland as the capital to have the largest populace. Followed probably by Wissenland as the industrial centre of the empire

[naive abyss]

That's ostermark

And it wasn't built in a crater

It was cratered lol

Talabheim

That's the name

[pastel rampart]

Look I remember one city with a crater and it's arguably the most famous one

[naive abyss]

For sure

Like I know mordheim off hand too

Talabheim is cool though

No walls cuz it uses the massive crater as a fort

Also correction there's only four city states

The other two being nuln and altdorf

https://youtu.be/L9WLRnc7zD4?si=Qm40LEkpeb-D17OA

[upper canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE2UM7dzZlw

Inexplicable Chaos Techno

[naive abyss]

It's also near impossible to siege due to having farms and pottable water in it's lake

[white mural]

Hey y’all my friend is in urgent care and I’m going to send her a bunch of sisters of battle memes or fan art so if y’all could help me by sending SoB art, memes, etc especially if they are lesbian in nature

[pastel rampart]

That's why you dig underground and then UP!

https://tenor.com/view/skaven-cheiften-skaven-cheiften-guitar-rat-gif-24492026

[upper canopy]

Also there's a difference between the size of cults in the Empire and the size of their worship

because no one's monotheistic in the Empire

[soft willow]

https://www.instagram.com/cerberusxt_figurines/?img_index=1

[white mural]

You are a monarch in the flesh

[bright dove]

But why-why siege-take what Skaven already have-own?!

[dense sedge]

did a little more work on my purestrains, they're sitll quite messy unfortunately but I'm learning

[runic swallow]

It’s the doing that’s important

[pulsar cairn]

what other colors besides white are a pain to paint?

[past sphinx]

yellow

some reds

depends on the pigments really

Weathered stone is a very light grey thats a joy to paint with

[proud wing]

until this moment, i did not know how much i needed Naruto running Hormagaunt in my life (stl by IO_Butov)

[jaunty dawn]

no colour is really difficult to paint tbh

using bad paint is difficult, or using a paint in a way unsuitable to it's characteristics

but it's not (directly) a function of colour

rather there is a history of gw making really bad yellows and whites

so there's an community perception of those colours being more difficult

[floral herald]

Yellows are usually the worst but its just because of weaker pigments ime

Light colors tend to show mistakes more than darks though

[jaunty dawn]

yeah that is true

it's why I avoid priming light even if that's the final colour haha

uh really my point though is, especially with modern paint availability, no colour should be like, intimidating to anyone. no one should avoid attempting certain colours if that's what they want

[bright dove]

But you should avoid yellow because it's ugly. 😛

[past sphinx]

You should do marines malevolent because their ugly on the inside as well

matches perfectly

and by the time you finish painting all that yellow and black you'll be in the perfect mood to rp the MM

[rocky shale]

Orange was the bane of my existence until I found the potentially carcinogenic savior that is cadmium orange

Just don't airbrush it

[junior summit]

they still make cadmium orange?

abuh

https://www.naturalpigments.com/cadmium-orange-pigment.html

.......

huh

well that's terrifying

[pastel rampart]

Perfect thing to do a line of off your cutting board.

[unreal cosmos]

Honestly? I got good results just by using Speed Paint to quickly establish a tone base and then lighten it up with Vallejo, of all things, and the latter was definitely a crappy orange on its own lol.

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Kk9ojV208&ab_channel=Otsu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B2I-ikpo8U&ab_channel=Otsu

[rocky shale]

This stuff is awesome mini paint

The pigment is still carcinogenic but once its in paint, as long as you dont airbrush it then you're fine

or like, sand it

[junior summit]

I figured that it'd have been phased out

but apparently not

still made and in use

[rocky shale]

Nope, you can totally buy it at art supply stores

[junior summit]

caught me off guard is all

like seeing a bottle of paris green

[rocky shale]

GW drove me to do this by making shitty orange paint

[pastel rampart]

I remember getting into a weird argument on another server where a person tried to claim that the cadmium orange didn't actually contain cadmium because some websites listed it as a carcinogenic and others didn't.

Like some of those paints contain lead. You use that with a healthy amount of respect.

[pulsar cairn]

that's bad news for me always thought about a imperial fist army

[pastel rampart]

Yellow is a lot easier to use now that people have actually made good yellow paint and washes.

[desert jay]

Classic cadmium orange and red absolutely contained it, but you’ll also see approximations of the color using other pigments

[pulsar cairn]

i see

oh no Tech

have u been turned into a servo-skull?

[desert jay]

Cobalt blue is also pretty toxic

[desert jay]

I forgot to change my name back after Halloween ended, but also sure

[pulsar cairn]

i'm supposed to change my pfp

[uneven ember]

festive!

[deft crest]

Anyone have a good standalone 40k book thats mainly around one of the Khornate groups?

[junior summit]

tucks away cadmium yellow

[upper canopy]

Ambitious Voybrain

westmarches Imperium Maledictum game with the same basic idea as Blades in the Dark

of taking over a hive city for your gang

I think I'd set it in a Hive where most of the lower levels have just been completely cleared out for a regiment raising

so a bunch of people are moving in to establish new turfs

[quaint compass]

👀👀👀👀👀

[crisp lance]

https://fxtwitter.com/wokehammer/status/1732339573689024804

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/WH40kbestof/status/1732000751692472417

[ebon forge]

Emperor: Angron, I don't care about your homeworld OR the nails, you WILL lead the Warhounds.
also the Emperor: WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE WARHOUNDS ARE LITERALLY KILLING CIVVIES FOR FUN?!

Sometimes I doubt his wisdom

[naive abyss]

I mean he has zero wisdom

He's a psychic mcguffin which managed to take basically all the worse lessons from human history lol

[ebon forge]

Sadly yeah

It baffles me how different he treasts his sons and how he ping pong between calling them sons or not

[naive abyss]

It's in part he suffers from a highly pre established end point

And authors had no good idea how to get there seemingly

[ebon forge]

So long-story-short
Badly planned story?

[naive abyss]

The HH books by volume overall are not very well written imo.

But even ignoring that sigmar gets my vote cuz he actually uses a hammer lol

[pulsar cairn]

the leader of humanity doesn't have a lot of humanity in him

[naive abyss]

Yeah he's tbh not even a human imo

Like he's a weird group of shamans gestalt psychic ideal of a man

Like he has more in common with daemons than humans tbh

[ebon forge]

Oh so that's still canon

[ebon forge]

Also so I heard yeah, Vulkan books specially I heard they are bad

I hoped the last books, The End and The Death would flesh him out a bit more

It does reinforce what you said, that he is distant of being a human, even him smiling brought people disconfort

[bright dove]

There's also small mentions of the Starchild becoming canon once more, iirc

[ebon forge]

Oh yeah, that
I wonder what they will do with it

And the so humored 5th chaos god

[desert jay]

HH books are a long train of incredibly powerful people making incredibly bad decisions

[pulsar cairn]

like that one time where Erebus decided to accept a duel to the death with kharn?

"get up"

[naive abyss]

The funny part is the exception is the khan imo

Like I'll grant I'm biased

But the ironic lack of stuff made it easier to do stuff

Like he's the only primarch the considered both sides

[bright dove]

Iysander and Koda points out that if Vulkan and Peturabo had been on the same side, the Heresy would have been over quicker

[thin ibex]

Perty carried the heresy on his back. Breached the imperial palace and went "aight all you now"

[ebon forge]

Aye, another Khan enjoyer

[naive abyss]

Scars are my fave

[ebon forge]

Also one of the best parts, easily the best World Eaters dude

[naive abyss]

But I've settled for the Lion as my second choice that doesn't make me sad to try to hobby up

[ebon forge]

I like the scars except their symbol and painting white is hell

[naive abyss]

I like the symbol due to its origins in the lore

[ebon forge]

I heard Peter's book is great

[naive abyss]

And it just being the imperials forcing branding on them

Like the imperial pr team just white washing the scars name and shit is such a fascinating detail to me

[ebon forge]

Angron had laughed, the sound rich and true. ‘Such pretty lies! We fight for the same reasons men have always fought: for land, for resources, for wealth and for bodies to feed into the grinders of industry. We fight to silence anyone that dares draw breath and whisper a different opinion from ours. We fight because the Emperor wants every world in his hands. All he knows is slavery, painted in the inoffensive cloak of compliance. The very notion of freedom is a horror to him.’

Also, rare Angron based moment.

[ebon forge]

Yeeeeeeeeah...

[naive abyss]

Cuz like the scars don't call themselves that

They are the horde of the khan lol

[ebon forge]

Honestly I am just glad we have at least 1 non european inspired white primarch

Vulkan KINDA counts, but in reality his skin is charcoal black because of his planet

Also while Angron have amazingly good points
Is kinda hard to take them after what he does to worlds he goes to """help"""

[naive abyss]

I mean Idk if I'd call the khan white

[ebon forge]

Was not saying that

I meant to say, at least we have a non european inspired one, while Vulkan is a technicallity

'non european inspired white primarch'
Fuck i should had put white before inspired, my bad

[bright dove]

Thinking on Angron more

For someone who is effectively immortal, The Emperor sure does have zero patience for his plans

[ebon forge]

Yeah, which is so weird, like
The Emperor did Vulkan's planet trials, didn't skip it, didn't cheese it (as we know it)
but for some blood forsaken reason
"ANGRON.
ANGRON.
NOW. GRAB YOUR LEGION AND GO KILL THAT PLANET
NO TIME
GO"

Not to mention how he used resources into making half-marines out of the Lion's knights from his home world.
Is like how unde2aker said, lots of writters having different interpretations it seems

People try to justify with 'he knew who would betray him from the start' but we never had solid proof of that

[bright dove]

For a man who wants to conquer every planet in the galaxy, he sure skipped Angron's

[pulsar cairn]

part of this it's also cause he was trying to see who was full of shit cause most of the reports he would get were "yo, come here and help me, other side went crazy"

[ebon forge]

Which is one of the few things I like about Angron

[pulsar cairn]

Angron did that too?

[ebon forge]

like
‘I am loyal, the same as you. I am told to bathe my Legion in the blood of innocents and sinners alike, and I do it, because it is all that’s left for me in this life. I do these things, and I enjoy them, not because we are moral, or right – or loving souls seeking to enlighten a dark universe – but because all I feel are the Butcher’s Nails hammered into my brain. I serve because of this “mutilation”. Without it? Well, perhaps I might be a more moral man, like you claim to be. A virtuous man, eh? Perhaps I might ascend the steps of our father’s palace and take the slaving bastard’s head.’
He is literally telling RUss he's sick in the head, for some god forsaken reason the emperor never gave two shits about him and only ask his legion to do the worst of the worst missions
And yet all Russ could respond was "Traior" A:

[ebon forge]

He mostly see the emperor imperialist Bullshit

[ebon forge]

Right?!

[pulsar cairn]

oh in case of the Khan i meant more like

he wasn't there for the heresy and both sides were claiming that the other one was the traitor when asking for his help

and he was like "i'll just wait and see what happens"

but from all the other traitors

i feel like Angron had the most reasons to betray the emperor

[bright dove]

"I have no idea what the fuck is happening, let's figure that out first"

#Angrondidnothingwrong

[ebon forge]

Easy agree. Angron is easily the saddest primarch

Like bruh, he got fucked from the start and lost almost all control due to the nails

[bright dove]

Fulgrim got it rough because of that damn daemon

[pulsar cairn]

yeah, if it weren't for the sword he would probably remain at the emperor`s side

[bright dove]

Yup

Mortarion got plagued

[pulsar cairn]

he even considered taking out Horus at one point

[bright dove]

Magnus got played

[pulsar cairn]

my poor boi

[bright dove]

Kurze was never going to not turn traitor

[pulsar cairn]

he was cray cray

and the emperor did nothing to try and help him

[bright dove]

Yuuup

[pulsar cairn]

he even did ask for help once, i think

[bright dove]

Less than he did for Angron

[pulsar cairn]

and then he went like "if that's how it is then i'll just give myself up to the monster"

[bright dove]

Lorgar ran head first into his father's hate hyperfixation

[jaunty dawn]

I like lorgar :)

I feel like he's the straight man in a family melodrama

[ebon forge]

Sorry can i repeat that, i think the nails started buzzing again /j

[bright dove]

Lorgar is in a state of perpetual suffering because of the Imperial Creed

[jaunty dawn]

like it took one (1) time for him to change tac

and then he did it

[bright dove]

And that is hilarious

[ebon forge]

Agree to a degree.
Sometimes he just goes full "I am god and can change fate" mode

[jaunty dawn]

and then like his dad and erebus are like teeheeeheee we are dramaing him and he's just like haha yeah sure guys whatever you say

[bright dove]

Alpharius and Omegon are

Complicated

Peturabo is fueled by spite

Petty, petty spite

[ebon forge]

I need to read peter's book

For some reason, for a split second, my brain thought Peter was his real name and Perturabo was his super hero name. Help

[jaunty dawn]

peter turbo is his superhero name

[ebon forge]

Does he shouts "I am going Turbo!" Before donning his superhero cape?

[bright dove]

Yes

[pastel rampart]

I feel like he's the Huey Emmerich of the series--someone who cannot admit fault and is responsible for so much horrible, awful shit and low-key wallows in it.

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-metal-gear-solid-metal-gear-solid-v-mgsv-mgs-gif-26272453

[naive abyss]

Tbh I feel like that's the khan is the Lion

Lorgar is the dramatic religious kid of the family who secretly wanted to be in theater

[pastel rampart]

Lion is the older brother who has zero patience with all this nonsense and is always like 5 seconds away from walking out but sticks around because who else is going to keep these idiots in check; and the Khan is more akin to the half-brother/black sheep of the family that's surprisingly down to earth but doesn't say much because it's so much funnier to let his brothers run their mouths.

[naive abyss]

Lol

But I very much think lorgar is dramatic Ngl

[pastel rampart]

Lorgar is a theater kid incel.

[jaunty dawn]

I think I phrased that wrong

I meant to say he is not participating

[thin ibex]

I feel like keeping in theme with this, Leman is daddy's precious angel who has never done anything wrong and gets excuses made in his favor all the time

but will also do whatever papa says in a heartbeat

Sanguinius is ACTUALLY a precious angel who apparently never messes up and is good at anything, all on his own

[jaunty dawn]

but partially this is definitely a reaction to common community outlooks on the heresy haha

like I like the word bearers cause when they encountered the friction they actually did something about it

[pastel rampart]

Horus is the rising high school football star who managed to get to training with the big leagues but never got further.

[jaunty dawn]

and I like the space wolves cause they dgaf

[pastel rampart]

Corax is the brooding nervous goth kid who seems to not do much but you look away for 5 seconds and he's disassembled your engine and you swear he never moved from his brooding corner.

[jaunty dawn]

espcially in the face of like the tension after the council of nikea

[past sphinx]

Arent the Raven guard still pretty understrength?

[pastel rampart]

Inasmuch as any chapter is understrength at any given time.

[thin ibex]

Vulkan is like the gregarious, fun loving brother who is like 13 but taller than a 20 year old man and stronger. He's also an arsonist, but people keep ignoring that because he's just so likeable.

if it were a sitcom, you'd have the fire department going "Oh Vulkan" [laugh track]

[past sphinx]

they got pretty turbofucked and that stuck with them for a very very long time during the heresy but like the ultras got back to full strength after a near total wipe out in short order

oh to be a box art chapter

[jaunty dawn]

I think salamanders are the only chapter that is like. actually understrength permanently

[thin ibex]

I think the Raven Guard have been reinforced to strength with the indomitus crusade reinforcements

they just still fight like they're understength

[pastel rampart]

The two missing primarchs are like Chuck from Happy Days: off to college and never seen or talked about again.

[jaunty dawn]

all the shattered legions are less represented in the imperium as a whole successors wise