Warhammer and Such

[naive abyss]

lazy edit but yeah sans wings im into giant bone crocodile

the wings just fel sorta outta place for me

like tk just dont feel like a faction that would have a dragon equivalent lol

it also puts more the emphasis on the palenquin without the wings

[dense sedge]

my brother who's into Tomb Kings isn't a fan of the dragon either

[lofty warren]

its a cool crocodile monster but i think a lot more could have been done to really tie it in to "mummies" as an aesthetic

at least put some bandages and falling off dessicated flesh on it

[naive abyss]

eh

that doesnt bug me cuz it fits with allot of their other skeletal constructs

like the bone giants exist lol

which is sorta the point

the non preserved royals and priests are almost all universally skeletons

bone giants be like

its also part of why they dont have zombies

im still holding out hope for plastic ushabti

love the idea of those units

but the models are really old

[sinful merlin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/18/world-championships-preview-the-enforcer-tauros-is-in-hot-pursuit/ plastic Tauros Venator 👀

[floral herald]

Oh - I was looking at rumors and apparently there's a box with NLs and... something else in it coming but they only showed off the NLs

Rumor says its new Mandrakes

Mandrakes vs Night Lords is really funny to me bad vs worse trying to prove they're both the worse

[naive abyss]

lol

itd be cool to get plastic mandrakes

[floral herald]

Yeah

[cinder wraith]

mandrakes?

[south axle]

PLastic plants?

[pine matrix]

These fellas

[cinder wraith]

o

epic

[gentle jetty]

new flesh-eater courts pogchamp

[south axle]

Mandrakes look awesome but it kinda sucks that they are finecast

[jovial berry]

HAHA FUCK YES

[unreal cosmos]

I'm still kind of in awe at how much I like the new assault squad breastplates

such a cool way to set them apart from despoilers, though it would also be cool to see ground troops with that

[jaunty dawn]

they look really cool

[unreal cosmos]

I wasn't planning on putting jump troops in my army but maybe I could snag some power-gladiuses and make them that special Ultras unit

[jaunty dawn]

haha yeah

my plan for jump troops was all mk 2 types

[junior robin]

that new tomb king leader makes me wish that thousand sons could use lord discordants

[unreal cosmos]

ahh yeah that'd be great

[jaunty dawn]

where'd his flag go

[past sphinx]

Asmodai doesn't look like as much of a dork now good for him

[past sphinx]

boy I would love to know where back banners went

[jaunty dawn]

maybe he's burning it

[soft willow]

As it turns out they get shot a lot and have to be retired too quickly, over time causing a drain on agrI-world resources that the adminstratum filed a complaint about. After ten thousand years the complaint was finally processed and accepted, so banners were removed.

Or Bobby G woke up and was like, why are you all marking your leaders out with a fucking flag?

Your choice to believe either of these lies.

[pulsar cairn]

sisters don't very much like astartes cause mutants

do they feel a lil better about the black templars tho

i often hear about them cooperating

[unreal cosmos]

the black templars are one of the few chapters who agree that the emperor is a god so that probably relieves some friction

[jaunty dawn]

I think it varies from they hate each other or they get along really well depending on story haha

at least I've heard both

[floral herald]

Yeah I don’t think there’s really a common stance it seems to vary a lot

[pulsar cairn]

[jaunty dawn]

likewise sisters and astartes ranges from deep respect as the emperors angels and hatred as betrayers and mutants

[pastel rampart]

And sometimes sisters get used as shampoo for the GK.

[unreal cosmos]

I assume this is the case, but in 30k was it already the norm for Astartes squads to be referred to by their sergeant's name?

[jaunty dawn]

hm

no idea tbh

I imagine it would vary with legion

but probably likely you'd find it in the ultramarines

it seems like the stanard is simply numbering (eg 3rd squad)

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ahmand

this reference consistently refers to his squad as the 62nd

as does stuff like this chart

[unreal cosmos]

Gotcha!

I gotta admit for large-scale stuff like legions and guardsmen I always struggle to like, pick random numbers lol

I want something that sounds plausible and isn't taken

My current army idea is a whole Chapter that got whittled down to Company size by Calth, so there will probably be a wide range of numbers

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Kroeger also that link led me to discover there was a big nasty Iron Warrior whose name is almost identical to a major grocery chain

[floral herald]

If it helps, numbered military formations are usually not a nice sequential thing

Like the US ones are a huge mess because numbers starting with different numbers got reserved for different forces and then some got kept around for tradition so now it’s all made up

[unreal cosmos]

ahh

[floral herald]

Like all of the national guard divisions are marked 1XX or something like that

There aren’t 100 of them but you can tell it’s a national guard division just by it being 1XX in format kind of thing

[unreal cosmos]

that's very funny

[pine matrix]

Play Alpha Legion and you can name your squads whatever you want because SUBTERFUGE

[unreal cosmos]

Battalions are kinda odd because Legion Chapters seem pretty similar to post-Codex ones in rough composition but then you have an additional layer of organization

though as I understand it Battalions might have been the largest unit of sub-division in smaller Legions

[floral herald]

What’s the size of the legion battalion?

[unreal cosmos]

Five companies, roughly

A demi-chapter, basically, now that I think of it

[dense sedge]

did realm of ruin come out?

[naive abyss]

I believe so yes

[dense sedge]

anyone here played it? Last train is coming out soon as well so I might pick that up instead

[spice flicker]

So ushoran looks like he came out of a soulsborne game

[unreal cosmos]

32nd Company, 7th Squad (Breachers)
34th Company, 4th Squad (Breachers)
Recruit Company, 1st Squad (Tacticals)
Recruit Company, 2nd Squad (Tacticals)
Recruit Company, 3rd Squad (Tacticals)
40th Company, 6th Squad (Seekers)
39th Company, 3rd Squad (Heavy Weapons)
Semi-randomly assigning numbers to squads in my planned list, might spice it up, idk

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxUVUjn5C3A lotta subtle tricks and techniques on display

[naive abyss]

he does remind me of the fist ER boss ngl

https://vxtwitter.com/iSavanl/status/1574125300610465792

[pulsar cairn]

unde is a tall dorf

[naive abyss]

lol

[unreal cosmos]

free idea for the right kind of edgy army: set your squads apart by their armor graffiti

all these guys go together because they all have KILL somewhere on their person, these over here all have DIE

[floral herald]

That's a good way to do...hmm

I... I could do this for my Black Legion

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-evil-thinking-yes-scheming-scheme-gif-6105555

[unreal cosmos]

it'd definitely suit em

could give the sgt an especially big text or give em a full version like BORN 2 KILL or whatever

[floral herald]

Now that they've got a sick as hell upgrade kit I'm reworking my warband fluff a little to make em a Black Legion x Night Lords Horrible Boys Joint Ops group

[unreal cosmos]

CHAOS IV EVER

[unreal cosmos]

niiice, love some chaos co-op

as I mentioned above I've been perculating the idea of a 30k NL/DG combo

[floral herald]

The Darktide villain with a gorget that has "DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR" scored into it is sick

[unreal cosmos]

I'm sure some maniac has done tiny tiny knuckle tats

hmm actually a powerfist might be the perfect place for that

[floral herald]

Some Chaos Undivided hardliner with KSNT knuckle markings

[unreal cosmos]

Aggressors are obviously the best guys for this

[floral herald]

Oh I just realized that that gorget is defaced

Wolfer is so cool

[naive abyss]

makes me crafe traitor guard yet again ngl lol

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.warhammer.com/app/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99070117009_GSCAbominant01.jpg this guy could have some very confusing knuck tats

[topaz elk]

The fact it’s all painted on except the emperor bit because that’s clearly just his old guard uniform is like

Peak traitor guard aesthetic

It looks so cool

[unreal cosmos]

I'd love some nurgle-aligned traitor guard that are less "spread the grandfather's gifts" and more "we're a bunch of 'ard boys and we're going to do some chemical warfare"

a little of the old-school DG

[naive abyss]

blood pact are neat

but id be curious to see undivided traitor guard

[floral herald]

That’s kind of Sons of Sek but I’d be down for more

Though I think I might be more interested in a non-traitor chaos human force

[naive abyss]

how do you mean?

[thin ibex]

Fully home grown chaos humans? Like fantasy's marauders?

[floral herald]

Yeah basically

[naive abyss]

i mean thats all of warriors of chaos lol

tbh id be down for something that actually gives me the warriors of chaos but in space energy i like

cuz csm dont really do that for me lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seKFZ4z27GI&ab_channel=OculusImperia

[upper canopy]

y'know I was having this convo of like

"how are the moebians losing so many dudes to us"

until I realized I was having the chat earlier on like "How big is a regiment from a hive world" and people were saying DOZENS of regiments should be raised

and there's a good chance the 6th is the size of like

the entire US military

[unreal cosmos]

https://vxtwitter.com/TheGraffitiSoul/status/1725906834438139935/photo/1

[naive abyss]

vibe

somewhat random but i have found a nitpick on the new asmodai. the mouth grill looks like a smiley face and it keeps sorta throwing me off lol

the og art that models based on i think also just has it be an oversized frownie helmet grille lol

[floral herald]

It’s actually so much worse (better) on that front

The Moebian Domain (6-12 closely integrated planets) raises regiments as a unit

[naive abyss]

in fairness i feel its not that much more absurd than the stuff happening in verm lol

where like 4 people are defeating millions of skaven

[floral herald]

And Atoma isn’t actually the most populous world of the Domain

Branx Magna is

[thin ibex]

There's not a lot of rationale you can use to explain how 4 prison rejects can use salvaged gear to kill literally thousands of presumably professional, trained soldiers in under an hour

[floral herald]

The Moebian regiments can be insanely huge basically

[naive abyss]

i mean dont regiments have set sizes?

or was that just an assumption i made with how regiments work in setting lol

[floral herald]

They have normal sizes but they aren’t set

Moebian “regiments” seem to be extremely large

There’s another mentioned regiment which is solo-garrisoning a whole planet

[naive abyss]

fair enough

i figured that was one of the only standardized things wtih guard lol

[thin ibex]

There's also very little rationale for explaining how, as you level you're killing hundreds of them personally and that this is both expected and unimpressive to the Inquisitorial acolytes overseeing your deployments

Like is everyone in the Inquisitors employ running around with possibly tens to hundreds of thousands of personal kills against the moebians?

[naive abyss]

i feel like this is just sorta coming down to the usual like narrative disconnect with gameplay thing that allot of games have lol

[floral herald]

Yeah probably

Esp cause the 6th are supposed to be the most elite regiment

[tepid stratus]

In fairness on the lower difficulties you're just fighting cultists and scabbers. It isn't until you're more experienced cannon fodder that the Inquisition throws you at the moebians

[floral herald]

I think you start fighting them at real low difficulties?

It's been a bit since I played maybe I remember wrong

[tepid stratus]

It's not until the third out of the five base difficulties that you start getting guys in actual guard armour

[dense sedge]

It is really good yeah

[glossy vapor]

Fuck tempestous scions look so cool

[floral herald]

Yeah

It was a really big change but the new models look slick

[pulsar cairn]

look at my boy

[topaz elk]

Damn the old hotshot las rifles were bulky

[untold swallow]

Tempestus Tempbestus

[pulsar cairn]

you folks did mention on ciaphas cain books being non linear right?

cause i might get this cause just look at him look at my boy!

[plucky token]

they are, yeah. their release order isn't the same as the in-universe chronological order

[pulsar cairn]

book number 10 it is then!

is it the same for gotrek and felix?

[naive abyss]

no

well

no and yes to an extent

the first story at least is their first story

i think beyond that it varies

[pulsar cairn]

i see

[naive abyss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/430176824371314721/1175360952481362040/RDT_20231118_040344.mp4?ex=656af330&is=65587e30&hm=6c567b9051a8110461660cbd60eab6873c7b7abd1a7e826012899801f406eb91&

[pulsar cairn]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

that's a land raider right?

[jaunty dawn]

another thing about this is they're often intentionally non sequential so they don't give away information about force sizes

or ideally to mislead into thinking there's a very large force but I don't see that working for very long haha

[upper canopy]

youtube once again curses me with 40k memes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRnY2glPuCc

how is this nostalgic

[pine matrix]

This is a concept that intrigued me about the Heresy in that it briefly mentions some blackshields and members of the shattered legions just going off and doing their own thing.
The idea of non-chaos (or at least, not so hardcore into chaos as later CSM) building their own fiefdoms or serving as mercenaries in the galaxy is a very cool idea to me

[unreal cosmos]

I'm hoping they get rules in 2E

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ashen_Claws Renegade chapters happen here and there, though few are like these guys that are just non-chaos warbands.

[past sphinx]

i hope someone can correct me but the Escher gang is the only 40k models ive ever seen with kinky hair

[soft willow]

There are occasional other models but it’s the exception not the rule.

[jaunty dawn]

some of the repentia heads I think

[unreal cosmos]

uh how are we defining that?

If I'm thinking of the right thing, one of the Cadian upgrade heads fits the bill

[naive abyss]

ngl im not sure what kinky hair means

like kink doesnt have prescribed hair cuts lol

[past sphinx]

afro-textured hair would be the more precise term

[unreal cosmos]

natural black hair is also a common one I think

and yeah there's a lady in the newer Cadian upgrade sprue with that

a lot more in recent Age of Sigmar models, which is neat

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1726048968658788596

[naive abyss]

i think votann have one

but not entire;u sire

[soft willow]

It's a little less pronnounced in the votann head.

[unreal cosmos]

hell of a name

[dense sedge]

man, the lizardmen blood bowl team is a mess huh

[naive abyss]

?

[dense sedge]

I like hte lizardmen, but the skink models are rough

[naive abyss]

i like them tbh

[untold swallow]

Fucking Torque Agamemnon

[naive abyss]

theyre funky and goofy

[dense sedge]

especially the weird chameoleon skink hands

[weary dragon]

silly looking skinks

just little guys

[naive abyss]

thats what their hands look like i think

[unreal cosmos]

Tortuga Bay has got an interesting thing going where they're making Indomitus terminators styled after different power armor marks, and naturally I really want some for my 30k army. Right now I definitely like the MkIVs better buuut the MkVs have less modern iconography to cover up/file off.

But maybe I'd like the 5s more if I just removed some of those studs

[runic swallow]

Skinks are just silly lil guys, some goofy lil fellas

[rocky shale]

For a daemon engine, the forgefiend is kinda friend-shaped

Also GW put 6 limb hard points on this thing but swapped where the forelimbs go between this and the maulerfiend just to make it really hard to magnetize them for both.

[glossy vapor]

does anyone have reccs for more grounded/camouflage-like painting schemes for Tau, I've taken a liking to the og tan and brown look but i want to give myself options

[pulsar cairn]

i want a dog sized daemon engine

i'll take it to walks at a park

[thin ibex]

Cult always do something like using the original colors in a camo scheme, and I've always been a fan of digital camo, just been reluctant to try and paint it myself

[jovial berry]

I found an Alpha Legionare here.

[unreal cosmos]

Luv this fella

really dig the "does it have three heads or no heads" element

[unreal cosmos]

Saw a video from a guy who had an interesting take on the more uniform loadouts in Primaris units

he was saying how on one hand it really bugs him that a lot of them can't have specialist weapons mixed into the squads to make them more versatile

but also, he pointed out how if they all have the same stats anyway, you can model 'em however you like so long as the sergeant is identifiable

so he had some Jump Assault Intercessors with an Infernus flamer and some lightning claws mixed in

[unreal cosmos]

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1726239885617504401

[pulsar cairn]

bug?

who's that Egyptian looking dork

(i like tomb kings)

[unreal cosmos]

it's a photobash of the tomb king model that was previewed recently

replacing the mount with what I believe is something from the sylvaneth range

[pulsar cairn]

that's a shame

that would be so awesome

[naive abyss]

its the everqueens bug mount

which looks great in this image kitbash

and ironically to an extent proves my feelings that it always looked like something for tomb kings lol

[naive abyss]

depending on the kits it may not be too hard to convert

[pastel rampart]

https://fixupx.com/rnrqkq123/status/1726265449401442489?s=20

[naive abyss]

but yeah ngl im really into the palanquin on the beetle

and it would tie in nicely to the base where it a bunch of scarabs coming out of the ground

still amused by it sorta proving me kinda right though lol

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1724905415270678707

[rocky shale]

Just saw this bad boy up for sale on Facebook

[dense sedge]

...that looks a lot better tbh

[pulsar cairn]

why is the hill moving?

[tardy vault]

Oh that's badass

[floral herald]

https://vxtwitter.com/corp_corpus/status/1725788775736115667?s=20

[uneven ember]

Came here to post this!

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/xDPNqr

[uneven ember]

nice

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/WmdWvv

[upper canopy]

https://vxtwitter.com/OculusImperia/status/1726332576892342412

[uneven ember]

Imagine Dragons gets so much hate

It's like everybody wan

[soft willow]

Any suggestions or sources of inspiration for what colors I should paint my Squat Prospectors?

[upper canopy]

Rescue Rangers

[quaint compass]

Rescue Rangers

[pulsar cairn]

Rescue Rangers

[soft willow]

Hawaiian shirts and no pants?

[pulsar cairn]

i was thinking more rescue ferret

[pulsar cairn]

is that the time guy

[unreal cosmos]

yeah

I kinda prefer the former, design-wise

the sharper cheekbones are a nice touch tho

[floral herald]

Is he supposed to look kind of like a cobra?

Is that your fucking fursona Orikan???

(Pretend that's Trazyn)

[pulsar cairn]

in the card game he claims to be going back in time and rethinking the situation

can he actually do that?

[naive abyss]

The new design definitely is suppose to I think

[junior summit]

yes

orikan's schtick is that he makes his predictions true with time travel

it's incredibly petty

[pulsar cairn]

that feels like something lots of people would want

also he sounds like a nerd hehe

[tired cairn]

He finally flowered

[upper canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R16idQ2l0CI

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhuh

[thin ibex]

Does anyone put heavy bolters in squads sometimes just for the vibes?

[torn arrow]

it's the most aesthetic heavy weapon

[upper canopy]

for context on this this is the Exodite guys

who have apparently completely rebranded

[naive abyss]

fucking legally distinct 40k lol

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/ChumiiCham/status/1726435726466662796

[naive abyss]

tbh this is fun and honestly im just hoping the super soldiers are coed

cuz then id be even more here for it tbh

[dense sedge]

space maid have really become a thing at this point huh

[jovial berry]

I love space maids

They’re great

[crisp lance]

https://vxtwitter.com/advarcher/status/1726317669216108612/photo/1

[pulsar cairn]

heh

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/20/the-adeptus-mechanicus-unearth-stcs-for-new-detachment-rules/

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/20/the-armies-of-the-dead-fulfil-their-oath-in-new-translucent-plastic-kits/

this is neat

[pastel rampart]

GW finally caught up with board game plastics.

[tired cairn]

Reactive Safeguard being limited to on an objective seems weird

Oh, only the acquisition target one too

[jaunty dawn]

hey, we used to get trans. green rods in necron kits haha

[tired cairn]

Though I thought people preferred the phase out of them for regular plastic lol

[jaunty dawn]

generally yeah

I think it was somewhat a shame. Tau and Necrons had some really interesting modelling ideas when they came out

[mental birch]

Saad 😦

[jaunty dawn]

still love the devilfish chassis with drone ports n all

[pastel rampart]

True!

[naive abyss]

The green rods were a case of limiting colors to green for the energy ultimately was the issue I think

That and they seemed fiddly lol

[south axle]

Imagine getting 1st party translucent Tau Stealth suits

[pastel rampart]

Fiddly and also using super glue on them usually meant the rods would cloud over due to fumes.

[naive abyss]

Oof

[jaunty dawn]

they also like

idk didn't work super well for scale models I guess

like the finish and the scale of any defects like bubbles meant it was hard to make them look good

newer stuff like the van saar shields are great though

[thin ibex]

i do like the new admech kastelan themed detachment

but the bonus from the acquisitions detachments seems somewhat weak

not that im complaining about rr1's it is a nice bonus to have on wounding

doctrina imperiatives for kastelans and other cybernetica cohort units does seem nice tho

[tired cairn]

I hope the robot detachment ability does something for non-kastelans

[thin ibex]

it looks like it has benefits for both vehicles and legio cybernetica in its enhancements; i don't know if any other unit is legio cybernetica currently

but i imagine the new dex will apply that keyword to units

as i don't think any units currently have it

[tired cairn]

It would at least include the robot's friend

[tired cairn]

I meant the core ability. They just mention that the robots get imperatives, but also didn't share its full text

[thin ibex]

Advanced Cyber-psalm Programming provides a simple but effective Detachment bonus, giving LEGIO CYBERNETICA units access to your Doctrina Imperatives army rule.

I just checked and I don't think anyone currently has a legio cybernetica keyword atm

[pulsar cairn]

[tired cairn]

I don't actually know what other units would count as cybernetica 🤔

[thin ibex]

i think obviously he datasmith

which could give it to the kastellans

[tired cairn]

Yes

[thin ibex]

but aside from that...

kataphrons maybe?

[tired cairn]

Yeah

[thin ibex]

or rustalker/sicarians?

[tired cairn]

most vehicles already benefit from imperatives though right (on account of being skitarii)

[thin ibex]

yeah the two main things i can think of are kataphrons and kastellans

almost everything else is already a skitarii

[thin ibex]

but also kataphrons and kastellans may very well be enough on their own

the doctrina benefits are actually pretty nice

especially on gun/fight platforms like those two

[junior robin]

oh god please let this be a tease that the next 30k army is admech and the plastic robots for it will work in 40k 🥺

[thin ibex]

i wont say anything to dash your dreams wortcov

[jaunty dawn]

kastelan robots are the only legio cybernetica units in 40k currently yeah

they don't currently have the keyword probably cause they're the only unit haha

[thin ibex]

Don't think even they are

ah yeah you were already saying it

[jaunty dawn]

but yeah fluff wise the legio cybernetica didn't really go anywhere after the heresy. The robots being the only ones available in 40k is entirely meta

[thin ibex]

i suspect, at least, that more than a single unit

will have the legio cybernetica keyword

for no other reason than a detachment for only one unit would be strange

[jaunty dawn]

could be future proofing

[thin ibex]

i guess the stratagems suggest that vehicles will also be a focus of the detachment

[junior robin]

a bit surprised that they didnt show off the new army last weekend since assault marines would show up in the same part of the year...

[jaunty dawn]

I also don't know if any existing detachments like

refer to a specific unit

like you can compare to stormlance referencing mounted depsite there only being like 3 mounted units in vanilla space marines

vanguard calls out deathleaper but for an ability that is entirely a ribbon

[thin ibex]

yeah, though stormlance also benefits more units than just mounted ones

the strange bit is having a detachment ability that literally is for only one thing

[jaunty dawn]

I mean it's possible the deatachment will have a universal ability and give doctrines to kastelans

just like stormlance

wait that's not how stormlance works lol

still

[thin ibex]

well, stormlance is just an army wide ability, rather than mounted units and other stuff; but it has mounted unit enhancements

i suppose you could flip

have a unit specific detachment ability, and have more universal beneficial enhancements

but those enhancements would need to be sexy af

[jaunty dawn]

like several tyranid detachments have a universal buff and a targetted buff

I just assumed stormlance worked the same way forgetting that all the cool stuff the tyranid codex does doesn't exist in the space marine codex xP

actually looking at it I think it is mainly just vanguard that's like that but still

[thin ibex]

i guess, since therre might be 3 more detachments beyond this one

it really might just be the "If you fucking love kastellans, here's your jam"

detachment

and the other 3 might be more generalist/universal

guaranteed vehicle explosion is a nice one

[mental birch]

Katchaprons already have imperatives

[thin ibex]

wait so are the only units without doctrina imperatives the kastellans and electropriests?

I do imagine the benefits from the doctrina imperatives are actually quite strong on kastellans

[mental birch]

Yeah I think so

[thin ibex]

i guess also in defense of hte detachment, there is an audience for "I fucking love kastellans" for admech

i have at least one friend

who mainly just wants to run kastellans

so this'll prolly be good for him

I think the archeotech detachment might be weaker

[mental birch]

Give me me all other cybernetica

[thin ibex]

but its more universal

[mental birch]

Make kastellans troops

Hahahah

[thin ibex]

its also a bit funny for things like "I pick THIS objective for my Norn Emissary!" and then the admech foes "WELL THEN THAT OBJECTIVE IS ALSO ARCHEOTECH!"

and then the space marine player goes "My combi weapon lieutenant thinks that objective is ALSO important!"

[junior robin]

oh the things I would give for a plastic 9 man infantry servitor squad lead by a techpriest

[mental birch]

Oh gods servitor cybernetica troops

Give why GW

[spice parcel]

Just had a Makari 16 consecutive saves game

It's just... Perfect

[thin ibex]

2++ is no joke

[tired cairn]

I think they also ran out of ideas, ha

Though I'm surprised it's not named as a more general vehicle detachment

Something, something Holy Machines etc.

[thin ibex]

I'm curious what the others will be

I also wonder if they'll make the rad cohort a bit more impactful

Because I actually quite like it

[naive abyss]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/20/old-world-almanack-fight-the-good-fight-in-the-combat-phase/

[jaunty dawn]

like how there's like

more nuance in combat result

and also that winning combat always matters even if the losing unit stays disciplined

[tired cairn]

Are you thinking of the strats? They did say they were changing the detachment ability

[thin ibex]

oh no i missed that they said that

that seems good

I like the concept of an ongoing bombardment forcing the enemy forward

its just that often times the mw infliction was largely not impactful and that often times they could safely just take the battleshock test

[tired cairn]

Though I wonder if they'll have to nerf things (points?) to compensate given that admech has a 50% win rate lol

[floral herald]

blease nerf admech points

the boys weren't meant to be this cheap

[jaunty dawn]

to be fair I don't think anyone would complain if they got more expensive points wise if the power matched haha

[naive abyss]

Yeah these rules seem fun Ngl

[floral herald]

I think people would laud that even

[naive abyss]

It's not just roll handfuls of dice and hope you roll better

[floral herald]

Admech have some sub less than 1 point/$ models right now

[jaunty dawn]

yeah it's baad

[thin ibex]

oh snap?

did not realize, i suppose they did do the appropriate points adjustments to get it to a 40-65% win percent range, but i imagine some of the indexes had specific guidance to not do a lot of major rules changes pre-dex

it would be preferable to have the units appropriately powered rather than priced into their win percent target

[floral herald]

yeah

[thin ibex]

i will say though

im impressed they DID get it to the desired win percentage via points adjustments

despite the otherwise rediculous cheapness

[thin ibex]

i wanna test build a list now for admech

though i often find myself inclding kastellans

[obsidian flume]

I am confused is this a meme I don’t get or were you just watching coffeezilla while taking a screenshot

[thin ibex]

they were just showing that they had the ability

for doctrina imperatives

[unreal cosmos]

Having an unexpectedly hard time finding volkite chargers for breachers. Anyone know if it's worth the effort to trim the extra hand off the support upgrade sprues?

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Legion-Volkite-Charger-Set-2015 there's this?

[unreal cosmos]

Oh yeah, doi

I guess part of me assumes most Forgeworld stuff is off scale now but not weapons and hands, at least compared to other stuff

[jaunty dawn]

ye

it was mostly the legs and torso that changed

and the backpack kinda

arms and heads are all fine :)

[unreal cosmos]

Okay that solves my problem, thanks!

[thin ibex]

what's your call on how these lists play into each other?

the necron list is a list written for a friend, the space wolf list is for me to play

want to make sure im not setting up either list to get stomped

incidentally, I also realize the land raider isn't full, but i also couldn't have it carry the full squad plus grav captain, unless i made it a LR variant

[desert jay]

Necron one using the combat patrol as a starter?

[thin ibex]

iirc I think so yeah

[desert jay]

Okay yeah, it's the box plus 10 warriors, 5 lychguard, 3 lokhust heavies, and 1 stalker

[thin ibex]

i do actually think that out of most of the combat patrol boxes, that might be one of the best "snapshot of the faction" boxes

no lychguard in the box tho

[desert jay]

I listed them as an addition!

[thin ibex]

ah yeah sry sry

thats on me

i misread

i figure it'll give him a good feel for how necrons do, and also be easy to purchase the core of all at once

the doomstalker, while no doomsday ark, is honestly a great and worthy anti tank addition

im somewhat worried that my space wolves MIGHT be outmatched

since 2 heavy guass and the doomstalker mighe be able to dogwalk the land raider

[dense sedge]

I think we’ll see the combat patrols gets shrunk unfortunately

[thin ibex]

but do we think these two can face off appreciably?

[cloud flicker]

https://youtu.be/R16idQ2l0CI?si=tMWupSbjIrpK_1nD

Definitely not 40k

:)))

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmyXW-7qWw8&ab_channel=PeteTheWargamer

[pastel rampart]

Chorfin' it up

[pulsar cairn]

big hat

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1176352448311480401/F_WFTMkbkAAqxP1.png?ex=656e8e97&is=655c1997&hm=805ad04969a97b3826bafad1db20b5af41d867eea4f5babdfd60e67a6ae4b937&

"Brother help I'm a forgeworld cast"

[soft willow]

Where are the images from?

[pastel rampart]

I think from one of the warhammer world events?

Or possibly warhammer world itself.

[soft willow]

It's odd to see unpainted display models.

[pastel rampart]

They've done it before, though its uncommon.

[soft willow]

So they might be tests or not finished in some fashion?

[pastel rampart]

Probably prototypes.

[crisp lance]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vLp0Ycbsr74?feature=share

[past sphinx]

Those are just what 8mm sculpts look like lmao

Tho some of that geometry is definitely unfinished on those

[runic swallow]

Yeah, while that blockynes isn’t great, I’d expect it to be ironed out soon

And lil 10-6mm models have a lot less detail and a lot more shortcuts, these are actually a bit detailed as models that size go from the look of it

[soft willow]

Yeah most of what I have seen was very detailed for 8mm. These are likely early unfinished attempts.

[alpine quarry]

theres a moment in one of the necron books where he goes back in time like its quicksaving during a court session

Orikan is an incredibly comical character

[pulsar cairn]

LMAO

[alpine quarry]

hes also basically the only guy that has access to a proper time machine and the only reason other necrons dont know it exists is because hes just very petty

[pulsar cairn]

he does it in a way that nobody can notice it then?

that's funny

[alpine quarry]

i mean he does have a power of quicksaves, what are you going to do lmao

there was a moment in one of the books where he was bonked hard for doing that but that would be a spoiler and the books hes featured in are very good

[pulsar cairn]

idk he quick loaded before i could decide

[alpine quarry]

the infinite and the divine is peak comedy

[pulsar cairn]

i should grab it once it goes on sale then

[upper canopy]

Man

I miss the cowboy only war game 😔

[pulsar cairn]

yee haw

[pastel rampart]

https://fxtwitter.com/AiaAmare/status/1726836204539351048

[ebon forge]

When I asked for a female space marine, that's what I wanted
not the pin ups SoB tbh

Also, finally, STL files of the maid marines

[mental birch]

Copium for plastic mechanicum

[junior robin]

~~finally, a primaris lieutenant who didnt skip hand day ~~ hmm, this must be some new kind of AoS troll? only guys I can think of with 3 fingers on a normal hand 🤔

[tepid stratus]

Don't some of the drukhari critters have three fingers?

[junior robin]

the clawed fiend did, though longer fingers and hairy arms 🤔

...and now I want to build a space troll army using tyranid rules

[pastel rampart]

Possibly part of the flesh courts too.

[junior robin]

it does looks to be hunching which the court is fond of 🤔

[unreal cosmos]

That was my guess

[dense sedge]

Ghouls just got new stuff and they have five fingers

[tepid stratus]

I'd be shocked if they had more to reveal for FEC

I'd say underworlds but they already have a troll warband

Actually nurgle daemons have three fingers and similar claws

[dense sedge]

There’s a lot of doubles in underworlds

[tepid stratus]

Nurgle warband?

[dense sedge]

Nurgle is usually nastier looking

[tepid stratus]

Nah check out the bikepiper or scrivener, the hands are surprisingly clean

[dense sedge]

We do need another uw nurgle band though

I wish that Ephilims unknowables and the thricefold discord were available independently

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/AiaAmare/status/1726992906903507069
https://vxtwitter.com/AiaAmare/status/1726994396401553594

https://tenor.com/view/sickos-sicko-haha-yes-creeper-gif-25057805

[ebon forge]

Hand

[soft willow]

Is this another vtuber discovering 40k?

[pastel rampart]

Yup

Her slow descent into 40k lore has been pretty funny so far.

[tepid stratus]

Alternative cope is it's a slaanesh warband since slaanesh daemons run the gamut of 2-5 fingers on their hands

I'm still out here huffing hopium for a slaanesh warcry unit so I can field a cheap infantry that isn't Daemonettes

[naive abyss]

Are all the mortal infantry for hedonites expensive?

[unreal cosmos]

Very funny to see given that Sanguinius's death is the most famous thing about him

[thin ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vK5679GajU&list=WL&index=2 this was a pretty good one

[tepid stratus]

The battleline options are 140 for 5 (hellstriders) or 170 for 11 (blissbarbs) conditionally the twinsouls and pain bringers can be battleline with a pain or hubris general at 135 and 140 respectively for 5 each

With twinsouls and pain bringers being our only melee infantry choices for mortals

Outside of slaangor which are 130 for 3 but they can't be battleline and fill more of a flanker role than frontliner

[naive abyss]

Gotcha

[tired cairn]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/21/codex-necrons-phases-in-with-new-detachment-rules/

They have grey Knight detachment rules of sorts

Plus this crazy strat

(this potentially allows you a 2" charge)

[floral herald]

Like charging from 2”?

[tired cairn]

Yes

[tepid stratus]

Tldr it turns monoliths into land raiders

[tired cairn]

Though the enemy has to be pretty close to the monolith

[junior summit]

still mad that they don't kiss at the end

[cinder wraith]

so i was invited to an apocalypse event with nO POINTS LIMIT

SO

is this reasonable amount?

WE + Chaos Knights + legends + flesh hounds

[storm schooner]

I think with no points limit it's a question of, what are you comfortable transporting and dealing with playing

[soft willow]

Also get to 10k, one point for every year you’ve warred against the false emperor.

[pastel rampart]

I wish I could've played a game of Apocalypse back in like 4th or 5th, because my plan was to take a single inquisitor and however many points of orbital bombardments I could manage.

https://tenor.com/view/madturnip-willem-boondock-saints-gif-19399379

It'd just be 9k points of this.

[cinder wraith]

everything

i can transport everything :3

blood for the blood god

[spice flicker]

Which chaos knights are you bringing?

[tardy vault]

[tired cairn]

Game development often gets lost in the warp

[unreal cosmos]

Not that this forum hasn't been helpful but I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions for dedicated online Horus Heresy communities, the only one I'm really aware of is the subreddit

[naive abyss]

does the subreddit not have a discord?

[unreal cosmos]

Ah, it has one linked. Thanks

[cinder wraith]

yeah

as of rn

[desert jay]

I didn't know World Eaters had that much in models available

[soft willow]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-warrior-chaos-blood-gif-13932012

Very here for it. Let your warhost grow until it is innumerable.

[unreal cosmos]

for the record after I joined my first test was to search "FSM" and I'm happy to report they're pretty chill

[naive abyss]

as in female space marine?

also glad to hear it lol

[unreal cosmos]

yeah

thanks for the suggestion!

[naive abyss]

for sure

most of the subreddits like that tend to have a discord lol

hell i was basically part of the ground breakers for the lov one lol

[dense sedge]

Is there going to be a way I could get Ephilim’s unknownables without needing to get the starter box?

[jaunty dawn]

ebay probably

otherwise waiting an indefinite amount of time

[dense sedge]

Didn’t the nether maze box get broken up?

[tepid stratus]

Finally got around to finishing my Vindicator

[thin ibex]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZT8yjC3CJ/

[deft crest]

Idk if its been posted yet but

I love this new thing I have to find which brand it is but

"JoyToy's warhammer line"

Someone in another server was talking about an article they are writing about them

DAMN do i love this look for shadowsun

BEEFY suit

[jaunty dawn]

very cool

[pulsar cairn]

hehe

why do i think that's cute

[desert jay]

Needs more ghille

[spice flicker]

It's a dreadnought and they are precious

[thin ibex]

oh its on amazon for purchase iirc, i have it on my wishlist lol

[thin ibex]

It's all fun and games until a raven guard dreadnought sneaks up on you

[untold swallow]

@naive abyss thicc Shadowsun

[pastel rampart]

Thicc Shadowsun is why humans keep defecting to the Tau.

https://medium.com/@eric.seri/colin-dixon-in-memory-of-a-great-sculptor-artist-de7f85f0ffc8 Aw man.

Sculpted some of the best dwarfs the line has ever seen.

[dense sedge]

it's annoying to realize that it would've been cheaper to get ashes of faith then it would b to collect the 3 boxes necessary to make the cultist kill team

[jaunty dawn]

if it makes you feel any better ashes of faith sold out in like 5 minutes lol

and the site basically got ddosed so if checkout took more than 5 minutes cause of the lag you're fucked (source: was fucked)

[untold swallow]

wait also where are her actual legs?

Cuz they wouldn't fit through the ball joins the suit legs have

[thin ibex]

like above the knee

[deft crest]

Fetal position

Curled up in the chest

[thin ibex]

i think the ball joints are because toy

[untold swallow]

fair

[thin ibex]

but also canonically yeah, a number of tau suits really are piloted from effectively the fetal position

using retinal controls

shadowsuns proportions are always a little weird, but i presume she has a long torso

[unreal cosmos]

They don't talk about this much but t'au can tuck their arms and legs in like a turtle

[mental birch]

UwU

[naive abyss]

i mean no its an exosuit lol

her feet are probably right above the suits knees

[naive abyss]

?

[thin ibex]

it detailed this in the farsight novels, with crisis suits controlled via "control coccoons"

where they effectively curl up into it. Not quite the fetal position

[thin ibex]

I said this

[alpine quarry]

How are the flesh eater courts in terms of playstyle?

I just saw the ushoran model and am slightly fascinated

[past sphinx]

nids/crons ""ish""

big herohammer dudes

like slapping a zombie dragon with a hero on the board is a very central unit iirc

[dense sedge]

the new flesh eater courts look great yeah

Ushoran in particular

[past sphinx]

the Death faction armies go pretty hard all together

Bone reapers might be full stop my favorite undead faction in media atleast in aestetics

[jaunty dawn]

fec heroes all like either summon a unit or revive models in them

[naive abyss]

ngl i love this art

[tired cairn]

That is pretty cool. What's the giant energy ball?

[pulsar cairn]

i feel like the wolfenstein's protagonist would be good friends with the bloodaxes

he's as beeg as an ork(lies) and his plans are kind of like a bloodaxes plan

"alright i have a plan, break into the base, kill every nazi in sight and then make my escape"

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/18175ri/what_does_the_scouter_say_it_says_over_9000_hours/ dang these actually look good

[obtuse violet]

Cross posting here, and also letting people know we have a thread for painting all sortsa stuff if people are interested! #1171221956775907408

For this, I am done w/ imperial fist base coat,now I'm gonna grunge it the hell up and vandalize it with world eater logos/skulls as if they stole the fist's tank

[thin ibex]

oh snap, is it also the place to go for advice n stuff?

[obtuse violet]

Yeah!

[dense sedge]

what's a good way to try out underworlds and warcry?

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/Anonamos_701/status/1727439453113999740?t=pJCO8upXM95NdvOtBiBHWQ&s=19

[obsidian flume]

"I can relate to the Eldar due to being from Ohio"

[topaz elk]

Wrong!

The eldar are Floridians

Just in the middle of falling Eldar

[upper canopy]

Tabletop Sim presumably.

[glossy vapor]

Im torn between whether the more overtly gunlike tyranid weapons feel uncreative and detracting from the tyranids biological theme, or whether it fucks that no, they didnt just grow a acid spitting or barb expelling organ, instead they made a goddam 45 out of bone and sinew.

does this go hard? i dont know.

[rocky shale]

carcinization but for guns

[tired cairn]

I personally prefer the make organic looking weapons (particularly for melee weapons)

[jaunty dawn]

newer stuff like the barbgaunts and new biovores have kinda moved away from it

pretty sure the original fleshborer design was in the hands of a zoat is the thing. Like it was a gun you could pick up and use

[verbal ermine]

honestly the only thing I object on that 'gun' is the fleshy magazine. Without it, the design would be a lot better imo

[desert jay]

The magazine should’ve been like a flesh sac instead of just a banana mag

[verbal ermine]

exactly!

[desert jay]

Wait, I realized what that might look like, lemme sleep on it

[verbal ermine]

no it looks pretty magazine-y to me

[desert jay]

No I mean a dangly flesh sac might look like you gave the gun a scrotum

[south axle]

Short sleep

[pulsar cairn]

short

[desert jay]

I haven’t slept on the problem yet!

[pulsar cairn]

i'll sleep on you

[south axle]

Weighted blanket, fox style

[pulsar cairn]

btw

eldar technology was the same back at their big empire right? with that i mean weapons and vehicles

i imagine they lost a lot of stuff with the birth if Slaneesh

[upper canopy]

The stuff they have now is the survival basics of their old empire

But their old tech was literally beyond reckoning

[pulsar cairn]

wowie

[upper canopy]

Tbey had a machine that could casually rewrite reality and grant wishes

[pulsar cairn]

ironically i feel like the average eldar warrior from today would be stronger(in a fair duel that is)

exactly because of the survival mode they are at all times

[upper canopy]

Nope!

Exponentially weaker.

Orders of magnitude.

[pulsar cairn]

explain

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/23/heresy-thursday-this-thousand-sons-librarian-reasserts-dominance-over-the-immaterium/ another swaggy psyker

[runic swallow]

Sooner or later, all rifles become an AR.
(this is only kinda a joke, basically all modern service rifles have the controls and general ergonomics of the AR)

[mental birch]

QBZ started as a bullpup

Now an AR

[upper canopy]

Your average Eldar warrior back then had no reason to suppress their psychic might.

So each one would have been not only an incredibly trained warrior but also just doing extreme wizard shit

[onyx elm]

Isn't it that nowadays Eldar (or Aldari?) have to keep their emotions in check last the fall toward Slanesh?

[upper canopy]

Ya

[pulsar cairn]

does slaneesh just have a link to their souls?

[upper canopy]

Yerp

[quaint compass]

The Hungry, Hungry Slaanesherpillar

[thin ibex]

you know, i was thinking about tau list building, and meta aside i was thinking that pathfinders are great early pick ups for a prospective player, despite their fragility

reason being, spotting for 2 units is huge when you're on a limited budget

as far as interacting with your faction mechanic

effectively doing the work that would usually take two different units in your list

[pastel rampart]

They created Slaanesh, so yeah he'll just gobble up their souls if they don't keep a soulstone around and/or feed other people's souls.

[pulsar cairn]

Drukhari living outside drukhari society make no sense

[quaint compass]

How so?

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/comments/181ou03/my_champion_for_my_custom_league_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[pulsar cairn]

how do they keep their souls

[upper canopy]

Same way they do anywhere else

Torture

Pain, suffering

[naive abyss]

also in theory if they are with corsairs they may be given a soulstone

ngl i like everything on this model but the like mace staff

like that helmet fucks

but im confused that recently both the egypt marines and the tk have been giving like sorta like what feel like greek weapons in terms of visual vibe though this one is more like idk mace crossed with a trident lol

the new tk king on the dragon having a trident is so bizarre to me still

but ill grant im also just a slut for khopeshs and all the weird bladed weapons egypt had

though with the tk king you could pretty easily trim the side prongs off or replace the top bit with a khopesh blade or what have you

[naive abyss]

still really keen on seeing if i can source the everqueens beetle to kitbash with that model ngl

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTMz4VOdjZk&ab_channel=AnvilofDoomMiniatures

[naive abyss]

also i really dig the like eyes on this helmet

[dense sedge]

That’s Avery controversial model

[naive abyss]

tbh like its a good model

its fun and silly

like theres things id visually change on it but thats like eighty percent of models ive ever looked at lol

and i just personally find the scarab kitbash, if viable, more personally appealing

ill say though the weapoin choice of a trident is the only super bizarre part to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFkuyhZr3Bs&ab_channel=ThunderPsyker

[pulsar cairn]

i fear the drukhari version of thanks giving

[unreal cosmos]

I swear there's a character in Heroes of the Storm or something with a mace like that but I can't remember who

[naive abyss]

skeleton king if i had to guess

random but id kill for a dow1 remaster

like the models just get higher res textures and they add more factions and shit

like id adore lov in that games style

[unreal cosmos]

ooooh I was getting him mixed up with lich king lol, that's why the searches weren't showing what I was thinking of

[naive abyss]

lol

the classic first diablo boss lol

hes famous for being skele and for his mace

but yeah i think my core thing with the mace staff is it looks like whaqt id imagine a sons of horus or like IW fancy psyker staff would be

those are the two where maces come to mind generally for me with space marines in HH

[dense sedge]

I’d love gsc, but factions are hard to add, and remakes rarely add new things

[tardy vault]

That's the Butcher tho?

[naive abyss]

is it not skeleton king?

[tardy vault]

When you say "First Diablo Boss" people think The Butcher

You can skip him to hit the skeleton king, sure, but the first time everyone plays they come down those stairs and open The Butcher's room and die

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/chris_buxey/status/1727788292307873889

[solemn gull]

Back in the day when marines were just space cops and orks lived with space punks

[gentle jetty]

the good old days

[pulsar cairn]

are those marines acting as police?

[pastel rampart]

https://i.imgur.com/zIhF8fK.jpeg

It's in reference to this.

[pulsar cairn]

are they?

[jaunty dawn]

military police maybe

[mental birch]

They're also very funny

In a devilfish

Imagine scouting that big butt

[past sphinx]

What do yall think of this cawdor w/greatsword kitbash?

[solemn gull]

Fantastic

[naive abyss]

this reminds me again of how morningstar scratches this specific itch for me really well

like they take all the best elements from SC and 40k marines and mash them together imo

they even have the weird robot hands for thier power armor like SC marines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzcSwe1AaNk&ab_channel=SaintKelly

the weakest guardsmen vs the super human powered by dark gods

[glossy vapor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tau40K/comments/17xcxso/crisis_suits_are_the_stars_but_the_heros_are/

[glossy vapor]

jesus.

ive been looking at buying some models to paint, not to army build, on the GW website, and i remember thinking that they where not as badly priced as i though they where.

then i realize that this whole time i had it set to england and so my price was in pounds not dollars, and now i realize its like actually twice the price i thought it was.

[thin ibex]

What would be yalls vote for faction to thematically play against necrons?

[brittle salmon]

Welcome to the model/painting hobby, unfortunately

[brittle salmon]

I think Mechanicus and other lore bits have solidly cemented AdMech as their foil

[glossy vapor]

I was looking at trying my luck at some old space marines from a freinds pile of shame (at their permission) then moving up to a crisis suit squad or broadside, becase like, $37.50 is sizeable but its less that a AAA game, but nope, 60 for broadside 80 for crisis.

[brittle salmon]

Detailed, well constructed models are yeah, very expensive

[glossy vapor]

yeah, but at current exchange rates a combat patrol should be 120 dollars not 190.

also i really do wonder what the profit margin on the mini's is.

[brittle salmon]

GW only has one manufacturing centre, in Nottingham - the international prices need to factor in shipping and handling costs, along with import taxes

The British prices can be cheaper because they're being distributed purely in-country

And with the current state of world shipping a 40 dollar markup is absolutely not surprising

[unreal cosmos]

Yeah third-party retailers are the way to go when possible

Ebay can be good but even just searching for products through Google can get some good discounts

[unreal cosmos]

https://vxtwitter.com/TheGraffitiSoul/status/1727825447285833824 y'know sometimes "my original characters are super cool and don't follow the rules" is just genuinely very good

[jaunty dawn]

for real

its a setting for fuckin around in. fuck around

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on this nighthaunt list? Main idea is to send the main tarpit of chainrasps up the center to try and bog down the enemy and attempt a war of attrition while the smaller blocks and Bladegheist rush the sides supported by chainghasts or GoS. If I need to worry about the enemy deepstriking and taking the home objective I might leave one of the smaller blocks of chainrasps to babysit. Thoughts?

https://pastebin.com/uZZxzwyU

[pulsar cairn]

are the Tau the only faction that we would be cool with if the Imperium wasn't this horrible thing that it is?

i ask this many a time but i used to think we would be cool with the Eldar, but all you really need for them to screw you over is their seers seing something that would save aeldari lives

[jaunty dawn]

don't think I'd recommend chainrasp blocks really. MSU is better for proccing wave of terror. If you're attached to them I'd probably at least go grieving legion. you have room in your battle regiment so won't add drops to seperate out the chainrasps more

[spice flicker]

Can you elaborate on that last sentence because idk if it's just me not being a morning person, being slightly tired, or something else but I feel like I am not reading that right.

[jaunty dawn]

oh cause of how first turn priority in aos the amount of 'turns' you take during deployment is a listbuilding consideration

so there's a tradeoff between having many units or not. but battle regiment helps you get around that because the entire battallion deploys at the same time

[spice flicker]

I know as it currently stands the battle Regiment is full unless I move one subcommander from warlord over to it.

[jaunty dawn]

oh wait yeah

forgot to account for the 2x units sorry

[spice flicker]

I formatted it that way to not have too long of a list sorry

[jaunty dawn]

hmm

what spells were you thinking of?

[spice flicker]

I know someone advised either break up all the chainrasps into 7 msu or reduce them down and invest in olyander if I wanted to focus some more on resurrection/tarpit.

[jaunty dawn]

olynder is very cool

[spice flicker]

Just hate how fragile (out of game) her model is

[jaunty dawn]

she does vibrate

[spice flicker]

My biggest gripe about nighthaunt is how most of their models are only connected to their base by a single thin part.

[jaunty dawn]

I think olynder with 4x20 chainrasps in grieving legion could be fun.

[spice flicker]

I currently have 70 chainrasps in the list so what changes would you suggest to fit that in?

[jaunty dawn]

oh oops again

[spice flicker]

I know if I change the 1x30+2x20 to 1x20+2x10 that'll fit in onlyander.

[jaunty dawn]

read it as 2x30 and 1x10 😅

lemme see

[spice flicker]

Get rid of Bladegheist and focus on chainrasps predominantly?

That'll open up 3x10

Why do I now feel like it's becoming a tyranid gaunt swam army almost.

[jaunty dawn]

is what I would be thinking. I think

that does include the gravetide idk why newrecruit doesn't export it lol

[spice flicker]

Is the spirit torment still worth it without chainghasts to spread the aura?

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/24/da-red-gobbos-festive-nemesis-is-revealed-and-hes-brought-company/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WH_24th_November_Christmas_4_&utm_content=&utm_term=

[jaunty dawn]

the healing is pretty good

[floral herald]

Insane painter flex to paint the space marines on the box being eaten

[jaunty dawn]

decal maybe

[spice flicker]

Hmmm....

Maybe replace the torment+kos with another gos+msu chainrasps or nah?

Backfield holding unit maybe

[jaunty dawn]

dunno about two guardian of souls really

and doesn't really synergise with the chainrasps cause they have a built in wound thing

and only one guardian can cast the spell

[pulsar cairn]

how do i get gifts from the red gobbo?

[spice flicker]

That built in +1 to wound is for charges only and iirc the gos aura and healing can stack with other gos unlike the torment's healing.

[jaunty dawn]

nah cause you can only cast each spell once

[spice flicker]

Ah I see

[jaunty dawn]

he does give the +1 to wound during the opponent's turn when you don't charge though

[spice flicker]

Hmm....

Still keep warlord+battle regiment?

[jaunty dawn]

but you don't get the wave buffs in that turn either so it's less effective

could do

I do find soulfire ring knight of shrouds fun but 2x battle regiment is an option

spiteful spirit kos is really cute with it but ruler of spirit hosts might be more in theme

[spice flicker]

Can you take 2 of the same Regiment?

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

[spice flicker]

I didn't know that

I thought it was only one of each regiment

So instead of the ring make the kos the general so I can give it the ruler trait?

"Yes I am the general of this army and ruler of the spirit hosts. Just please ignore Reikenor and the mortarch of grief who has more authority just sitting over there. I am assuredly in charge not them..."

[jaunty dawn]

pretty much never make named character your general in aos basically

some do get bonuses for it though

olynder gets to be general too anyway. affects command ability range n stuff

[spice flicker]

Ah but if I go double BR would that cause issues for taking the beacon and ruler in my army?

[jaunty dawn]

nah you get one artefact of power always

and all your wizards get a spell from the lore

cause you basically get one of each enhancement your army gets for free

[spice flicker]

So no problem with an artifact and trait got it

[jaunty dawn]

mhm

[spice flicker]

I might give that list a shot and see how it goes with the chainrasps in one BR and the Bladegheists in the 2nd.

I was afraid battlescribe might start throwing a fit with 2 battle regiments but it didn't give any issues surprisingly

[jaunty dawn]

:3

[spice flicker]

I know If I broke the 20x chainrasps into msu that'd be 8 msu which can still fit into double battle regiments for just 2 drops but I'll likely switch to emerald host at that point. Be able to be spread across the field more but with less staying power and healing more spread out

Definitely feel like I'm going with endless swarm at that point

Could sacrifice one msu chainrasps+Suffocating soultide for another torment or KoSoES though if I did that.

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/y84ZTC21p2Bc2OMK.jpg

[jovial berry]

So cute

[unreal cosmos]

(space marine inside a space marine voice) Miniatures... inside a miniature!

[jovial berry]

The like, pro painters who detail everything explode

[south axle]

There is the classic Marneus Calgar painting ultramarines

[naive abyss]

Eldar

All the art of them fighting each other kicks ass

And they are literally the galaxies oldest rivals lol

[dense sedge]

admech vs necrons is a classic

[dense sedge]

they're also professionals getting paid for that

[pulsar cairn]

what's the deal with the red gobbo?

does he go around stealing stuff or are those actual gifts?

can i get a gift from the red gobbo?

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596197650332778498/1177662750026121286/image.png?ex=657352e7&is=6560dde7&hm=915498f8a097859a52e666691804918600b9d561fb2c3a79c1565b8e0036c65b&

[tired cairn]

idgi

[jaunty dawn]

thought sam guiness had horus eyes on him

then realised it's the bangel teardrop

[upper canopy]

sangunius is wearing the Trans Leggings and they are bunching up beneath his armor

[floral herald]

Oh, I thought the implication was that Sanguinius died of getting the leggings bunched up at the knee haha

[tired cairn]

Maybe it's why he lost the duel

[pulsar cairn]

sanguinius went through transition alright

from alive to very dead

||the word can be used like that right? did i english right?||

[tired cairn]

I feel a bit bad at laughing at that, but lmao

[unreal cosmos]

https://bitsofwar.com/vehicles-vehicle-bits-caste/1825-caste-enclaves-ghostshark.html I really like a bunch of kromlech's tau proxies but this devilfish is probably the best

https://bitsofwar.com/caste-enclaves-miniatures/1769-caste-enclaves-emergency-drones-team.html their crisis "suits" are funky too

[pastel rampart]

I like the vehicles but something about their not-crisis suits makes my eyes glaze over.

And not in a dismissive way, more in a "I don't know what to focus on" way.

[topaz elk]

They are quite busy yah

Imo I’m just not the biggest fan of them being, only drones

I get they don’t wanna just make Tau

But I like the kinds combined arms vibe the Tau have

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, but also like...give'em arms and legs.

[unreal cosmos]

to me that's kinda part of the appeal, I like that they're kinda ugly in a utilitarian way

[topaz elk]

Combining foot soldiers, vehicles, mechs and drones

[south axle]

I enjoy Piper Makes' not-Tau https://godforgeminis.com/collections/poyper

[pastel rampart]

Oh those are great

[south axle]

THey are working on not-Eldar atm

[pulsar cairn]

i sort of wanna write an orky version of Bones in the Ocean

I fear not the dakka i fear not the squigs

[unreal cosmos]

Yeah these are the GOAT

[pulsar cairn]

nuh uh

this is

🐐

[pastel rampart]

Beastman unit champion.

[past sphinx]

oh forgeworld is just

gone

to dust

[pastel rampart]

Unsurprising. They seem pretty set on combining it all into one site.

[naive abyss]

the new site remains bad too lol

[soft willow]

“Expert kit” = “Forge World Resin” now.

[naive abyss]

like you cant even refine ranges by unit type anymore

which was a handy feature on the old website

[floral herald]

The lack of 360 degree turnarounds and fewer general images also bites

[dense sedge]

I hate how the site resets when you change your location

You come in through google and then get kicked to the home menu when you switch off from gb

[naive abyss]

yehp

also a bit random but i really wanna see the new deathwing knights in the og HH DA colors

cuz ngl i think theyll look great in that scheme

but im biased cuz i think DA in general look best in that scheme lol

[jaunty dawn]

idk if this is a new website thing cause it happened often with new releases

the new website does sometimes just not load images though lol

[pulsar cairn]

is it heresy to say "god bless you"? or will they assume i mean the emperor?

[grand vigil]

What does it say Abt me when my fav factions in 40k are custodes, mechanicus, Tyranids and necrons?

The dichotomy of wanting to be pure steel and pure flesh, endless possibilities

[past sphinx]

You like spending money

[grand vigil]

Or a combination of both

[past sphinx]

A lot of money

[grand vigil]

I'm poor

Can't afford these figurines

[pulsar cairn]

do crime with Atlas

Atlas has a cowboy hat that must mean atlas is an outlaw

[grand vigil]

Maybe add god emperor bless u

[grand vigil]

∆ see name

[pulsar cairn]

what do u mean

Balor is a fun lad who likes giving out free hugs

there's nothing criminal about that

[grand vigil]

Balor being nanomachines of endless shapes too

From Ball to Mecha to Car

The possibilities are endless

Also I forgot the lore but what's the Eldar equivalent of a Engiseer

Not counting Medics or Biologist like Haemonculi

[mental birch]

The bones inner

Wraithbone singer guy

Person?

[pastel rampart]

https://fixupx.com/DubhDonald/status/1728362154838085907?s=20

[pulsar cairn]

can catachan jungle fighters use Astartes bolters?

i remember of one guy from catachan using a really big gun

not sure if it was a bolter

[jaunty dawn]

it's a heavy bolter

[pulsar cairn]

are heavy bolters rapid firing bolters? or bigger caliber too?

[floral herald]

Bigger bolts yeah

The exact size is I think pretty variable in art at least

[jaunty dawn]

auto bolt rifles are presumably the lmg equiv

nowadays

[floral herald]

But like potentially multiple times the caliber

[jaunty dawn]

or storm bolters where applicable

[pastel rampart]

Generally, IG models can use bolters if they're a sergeant or command, so on a gameplay perspective Catachan can. Lore-wise they're huge hulking Rambo clones and while they could certainly use human-sized bolters they could probably lug around astartes bolters with less difficulty than a regular human.

[jaunty dawn]

like if a catachan came across a killed astartes devestator squad or something then using their weapons would be a pretty reasonable badass moment and not a huh what moment

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. They'd still have difficulty lifting a heavy bolter even with two people but they'd do better than a cadian would.

[floral herald]

Lore wise space marine bolters are supposed to be super heavy and kick like crazy, but I think catachans are Constructed Uniquely enough to use them perhaps with some difficulty

[past sphinx]

Iirc bolters are .77 caliber for humans but are fairly low velocity, the gyrojet getting the round up to speed

Marine bolters are roughly double the size ish but I'd suggest that yhe danger of marine bolters is that they use much much hotter loads

[floral herald]

A lot of the time they get ignored but I think the numbers were .75 cal for human bolts and .998 for astartes

But I imagine that its just not standardized galactically really

[jaunty dawn]

ultimately bolter is like. a type of gun design rather than any specific weapons

even within astartes bolters they seem to vary in stuff like caliber

like the ones associated with the mark iii marines

are a bit bigger

[past sphinx]

A bolter kd anything that can fire s bolt shell

If God didn't want me shooting .50 bmg out of a 12 gauge why did he make the diameters match

[jaunty dawn]

I think much like real weapons too the ammunition and magazine design is much more complex

than the firearm itself

[floral herald]

I do like this diagram

[runic swallow]

That’s not really true, the feeding mechanisms as a whole are the most complicated part, but a magazine (while finicky to design right) is at the end of the day a spring, follower, and the overall casing or whatever you call it. And that’s not getting into whatever weird recoil compensating stuff is in things like the new Army M7 or any rifle with “hyper burst”

Ammunition design is a whole thing tho, that is true. Though that can range from “guy in shed putting bigger or smaller bullets in a parent case” to “lots and lots of cad design and computer modeling”

[past sphinx]

Gimmie that duplex bolter ammo

[runic swallow]

…that’d be something

It is hilarious how much duplex ammo seems like something Orks would make

“The flashgitz got this new thing, they’s puttin’ two bullets in one bullet! That’s twice the shootin’!”

[quaint compass]

I think that's presumed by most craftsmeks to be the way things are done, since "dere iz more dakka in yer shoota per dakka"

[junior summit]

iirc's it's a 1 inch projo rather than the .50-.75 of a normal bolter

[floral herald]

Pretty close to it yeah

[junior summit]

but also you can see bolter caliber creep over time

since originally .50 was impressive but there's been so many guns built in .50 for dick measuring range shooting since then that it's kinda diluted

[floral herald]

Also because the writers say .998 cal cause it sounds big and the artists are like “yeah looks about right” with like 2.5 inch wide bolts cause they look big for a dude who’s 7’7”

[past sphinx]

.75 calibur is roughly equilivent to 20mm and bolters are considered anti material weapons. That's a lotta fuckin heat for a baseline human to just haul around

[junior summit]

bolt shells are short though

they're closer in proportion to pistol cartridges than rifle or cannon shells

which makes sense because boltguns are very short barreled for their size but would give them less oomph than their diameter would suggest

plus the gyrojet system also further reduces recoil

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/d0vV0W

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/G8GJ5W