Warhammer and Such

[unreal cosmos]

However this way would be more work and I kind of prefer the actual Typhon's look, with the blast shield and the power tubes in the back

[jaunty dawn]

mhm

[unreal cosmos]

so I'll weigh my options

I do know that if I get a Typhon one way or another, it'll be named Marisa

[naive abyss]

its obvious im tired with this but yeah

my crons now have some sort of defined fluff beyond "what if a dynasty that worshiped a cthulhu"

ive also realized that in a neat parallel the phaerakh for this homebrew is sorta like a evil version of High Queen Khalida of the tomb kings in warhammer fantasy

which is a vibe since shes maybe my fave TK character

[spice flicker]

So with the stellaris skaven idea, I decided to go with mega Corp but what civics to go with? Ruthless competition, criminal heritage, financial elite, ruthless capitalism?

[upper canopy]

Criminal heritage probably yeah

[spice flicker]

For ethics I picked spiritualist, militaristic, xenophobe, ans fanatic competitive. For civics I think I'll go ruthless competition, criminal heritage, and chosen people.

[long void]

ah, it's the "overtuned" traits from the Origin of the same name.

But you can go even further with those down the line.

Only issue is that it'll mean you can't take Subterranean origin.

[spice flicker]

Yeah I decided on subterranean

[long void]

And subterranean will give you the flexibility to decide if you want to go biomodding or cybernetics

[spice flicker]

For traits I ended up going with cave dweller (mandatory), devourers, ephemeral, rapid breeders, witness, and genius with 2 points left over.

Now do I want to commit to the mouse/rat looking mammalian or one of the toxoids?

[mental birch]

I'm coping for Enclave Veterans as a unit type for the codex

(not going to happen but I can dream)

[pulsar cairn]

i wonder what the space marines would do if the imperium split they are already fairly independent

also in the scenario I'm imagining I'm also thinking of each split to still be loyal to the Emperor but in their own way

[floral herald]

Probably about the same stuff they do anyway

[pulsar cairn]

i was thinking that

also is not like the imperium isn't all over the place already

[past sphinx]

i have terrible news, thats just old crons

witch might be good news

[naive abyss]

I mean to an extent yes

[past sphinx]

i like both but i also love pariah's

[naive abyss]

I'd not personally call the ctan cthulhus tbh

[past sphinx]

they where more eldritch before all the war in heaven lore that came later

then they just kinda turned them into dudes

witch is failure of imagination GW seems to have consistently

[naive abyss]

I know that lore and maintain my statement lol.When I say what I said I mean it's some like weird ghoul star entity the crons trapped in a pocket dimension lol

[past sphinx]

why does the immortial deity of entropy have abs and pecs you could wash clothes on gw

whats the brain activity goin on in there

[naive abyss]

I mean that was the crons giving them physical vessels to inhabit lol

[past sphinx]

okay but the crons didnt sculpt the models

[floral herald]

I'm pretty sure the wih stuff was around from at least their first codex

[past sphinx]

sexy reverse silk dancing deceiver is still as funny as it was when i first saw it

[naive abyss]

Wih?

[floral herald]

War in Heaven

[past sphinx]

war in heaven

[naive abyss]

Ah

Tbh I like the changes to cron lore

Them cracking the ctan is cool

[floral herald]

That's the most substantial change I think

[past sphinx]

beating the asses of gods and then hiding from orks is pretty much my favorite bit of lore

[floral herald]

That and the change from an external to an internal voice for the codex

[past sphinx]

yeah man you killed the old ones and shatter the enslaving gods

and then the kork's only solution was to simply outsleep them

[naive abyss]

I do sorta miss the mindless legions vibe but it's easy to bring that back in

[floral herald]

They're still there

[past sphinx]

destroyer cults

i believe?>

[naive abyss]

Or go weird eldritch xeno with it like I did

[floral herald]

The "commoners" and foot soldiers are mostly mindless

[naive abyss]

I know

[floral herald]

Then I don't see how its missing

[naive abyss]

I eventually found the sorta vibe I wanted to do with my crons is ultimately my point lol

[past sphinx]

the hordes of skeletal foes, immotionless and grim, destined to wipe life from the galaxy is somewhat undercut if the necromancer leading them insists on doing a skeletor voice

[naive abyss]

Aka weird eldritch something corrupting void dragon shards and bending a Dynasty slowly to its will lol

[floral herald]

I mean, that's been around about as long as necron lords have been around haha

The ones in Xenology and that short story in let the galaxy burn are so chatty

[naive abyss]

Where only the high phaerakh herself has any real sapience and she's the half insane Oracle of the "serpent amid the void"

[floral herald]

That seems neat

Has there been any new lore on the Outsider?

[naive abyss]

Not that I know of

[floral herald]

I remember a bit of scanty lore in the 3rd ed book and nothing in the 5e one and I haven't tracked it that closely after that

[naive abyss]

Fun fact this is all thinly veiled nythrlotep references

Like the lady overlord is High Phaerakh Nephrit-Kai the Black

Which is just my cron version of the Black pharaoh lol

Hell the dynasty name is nitokh which is just taken from the ghoul queens name

[pastel rampart]

Undercut? I think you mean enhanced.

[naive abyss]

Like its just a giant mythos reference lol

[naive abyss]

Also it should be noted their tomb world is now trapped in the pocket dimension with it

And they can only leave it using phase tech when so needed

So they just suddenly appear places usually for strange reasons lol

Also as happy coincidence me snake theming the entity also sorta ties it to one of my fave tomb king characters lol

High queen khalida

Whose sorta like the doomslayer for vampires lol

this vamp having a bad day

[runic swallow]

Once again, pour one out for the Tomb Kings, may they reign eternal

[thin ibex]

Hmm what kind of army list to make before bed... I think I'll do a necron 1k

[past sphinx]

ive had very little to do with necron but there doesnt seem like much opportunity to model and kitbash

[floral herald]

My necron playing friend was a big modeler/kitbasher and liked working with them a bunch

It was usually small stuff though like careful reposes and such

This guy also made his own venomthropes before they had a model though

So ymmv haha

[thin ibex]

I suspect the shooting is lacking, relying on the doomstalker for AT at range, and hopefully stacked lethal hits from the warriors, but the hope is they'll anchor well enough to allow the overlord and lychguard to move up one flank and the skorpeks the other

Reasonably confident that lychguard and skorpeks can generally trade nicely with other teams melee specialists

But only having the doomstalker as a big gun does make me nervous

[sour sequoia]

Skorp lord + 3 skorps is a great rocket to throw at people at 1k, shield lychguard aren’t gonna be strictly unkillable at only 5 dudes even at 1k but the lord is fantastic on em

If I was building this I’d do like… hypermaterial ablator on the overlord, veil of darkness on the warden, turn the doomstalker into a pair of LHD

I’m assuming Plasmancer goes to the warriors?

You can use veil on the warden to slam dunk your warrior blob onto an objective round 1, they’re a significant threat with heavy + assault + rapid fire + lethal hits on 5s

[thin ibex]

I originally did have 2 lhds but I felt that they weren't as versatile as the doomstalker, wit the heavy gauss only being 2 shots between them and them having no invulnerable

[pulsar cairn]

i stole this from the french lancer server

[naive abyss]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/31/dear-reader-the-honour-of-your-presence-is-requested-at-a-feast-most-magnificent/

Looks like something is coming for the ghouls

Maybe the red king?

https://fxtwitter.com/lord_carmi/status/1719280575800881309?s=20

https://vxtwitter.com/lord_carmi/status/1718560759083384978?t=j9aihyg82HVZ1zTdepgMJQ&s=19

[topaz elk]

https://youtu.be/PEpFsD6oyMY?si=5HNDWQYTUsnzLNcx

[tepid stratus]

Ushoran the summer king. He was name dropped in the last dawnbringers book as being responsible for the summer wine that's causing outbreaks of cannibalism

[naive abyss]

Yeah him

Forgot the name but knew everyone was like reacting to him stirring

Mentioned in the sylvaneth short story etc

[ebon forge]

So
Cawl got a girlfriend now?

[naive abyss]

Cuz apparently the ossiarch like have just put a general call out for aid lol

[tepid stratus]

The king returns, FEC players are being rewarded for their loyalty

[ebon forge]

That's cool :3c

[naive abyss]

Lol

It'll be cool to see a big name ghoul character

[tepid stratus]

Some armies still have a tragic lack of named characters represented on the table

But now I think fyreslayers will be the only one that doesn't have a named character from their lore on the table (not counting gotrek whose a little weirded out by them and technically faction agnostic and not counting the underworlds guy made explicitly for underworlds)

Actually now that I'm thinking ogres don't have one either

[unreal cosmos]

Does she go to another school in Canada

[naive abyss]

I'd love slayers to get a named lady

[ebon forge]

AsanethAyu is a Necron, so..

[unreal cosmos]

Holy shit

No one in Guilliman's circle is beating the xenophile allegations

[naive abyss]

I'll be real can we not refer to a character cawl has imprisoned as their girlfriend lol

[ebon forge]

Do Guilliman interacts with her often after the first encounter?

[naive abyss]

Like they're basically doing a diet version of the nurgle isha thing

[ebon forge]

Fine.

[naive abyss]

In that cawl is at least ostensibly not actively harming AsanethAyu

Just imprisoning her lol

[ebon forge]

Yeah, he even treats her with kindness (relatively)

[unreal cosmos]

Ah okay

Dang my brain jumped to like, illicit communication

[naive abyss]

I mean yes but it's noted as them just trying to get her to cooperate. A thing she actively resists lol

[ebon forge]

No, that was Trazyn with an Inquisitor
before she got burned for heresy (keeping friendly communication with a Xeno)

[unreal cosmos]

Rip

[ebon forge]

Oh yeah 100%
But as an ad-mech, showing kindness is something... very rare.

[naive abyss]

Wait is this a different inquisitor to what's her face?

[ebon forge]

"Inqusitor Helynna Valeria actually survived, but was infected by mindshackle scarabs and thus killed by Inqusitor Greyfax in the Gathering Storm.

What's that you say? Killed by the Greyfax that was also infected by mindshackle scarabs and freed of their influence by Cawl? Yes."

[naive abyss]

I mean sure. I'm just not inclined to giving a character credit for gaslighting. Like its interesting that cawl is bothering but Idk

[thin ibex]

I would be deeply suspicious of any displays of kindness from cawl of all people

And would attribute ulterior motive well before I attribute candid and genuine kindness

[ebon forge]

Fair, and yeah, calling his GF is hyperbolic
Like
No, there is zero romance
Like GorillaMan and ElfPeacock

I think one of the few canon romances or something close to it, is Cain and the inquisitor and the tech-priest couple

[thin ibex]

Eisenhorn and bequin I think

[ebon forge]

Oh yeah 100%

[tepid stratus]

Sylleskke is the most functional marriage in Warhammer and nobody can convince me otherwise

[ebon forge]

NO

[tepid stratus]

You're gonna tell me a daemon willing to die (like final death die, not go back to the warp die) for their mortal lover in an act so romantic it made slaanesh retcon their fate to give them a happy ending ain't the best romance in 40k?

[ebon forge]

That fact I did not knew
Damn
Slaany being pro real love

[quaint compass]

Slaanesh is pro anything that is novel and also very extreme

[tepid stratus]

When the god of excess says "stop the debauchery! I need to save my OTP!" You know you got a good thing going

[quaint compass]

Well, they never said stop the debauchery

They'd probably see as a new and good reason for increased debauchery

[tepid stratus]

Hand-holding... So much hand-holding

[quaint compass]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-sign-of-the-cross-praying-hoping-asustado-gif-10946409

[thin ibex]

slaanesh sometimes represents the niche that all the debauchery is so blase that holding hands is obscene

though i do think excessive and unreasonable love is likely within slaanesh's purview, its likely just not like... a common thing for it to manifest in that way I guess, or for agents of slaanesh to not twist it in some way

[naive abyss]

My fave relationship in warhammer is probably khalida and neferata

It's not romantic or healthy

[thin ibex]

oh max and ulrika too, that was a legit romance, but i guess there are more legit romances in fantasy than 40k

[naive abyss]

But it literally was the first vampire queen screws over her rival so hard the rival comes back to eventually be the doomslayer of vampires

[naive abyss]

Max?

[pulsar cairn]

who's that techpriest who acted like a good dad btw? i remember his daughter growing up to be a yucky individual

[naive abyss]

Tbh it's funny how many interesting relationships warhammer has outside of 40k lol

[floral herald]

40k is a shockingly shipless setting

In a real fandom we'd be neck deep in DantexSilent King fics

[soft willow]

"In the Grim Darkness of the far future, there is only War"

[thin ibex]

Maximillian Schreiber, a former wizard of the golden order and brief rival to Felix. Was in a romance with Ulrika pre-vampire, and they encountered each other a few times post vampire. Post end times they reunite in the realm of Shyish

[sour sequoia]

I’ve found a calling

Gimme a week or two

[tardy vault]

Now we just need some antis and we'll get a proper shipping flamewar going!

[naive abyss]

Ah ok

[tired cairn]

40k's answer to "Can love bloom on the battlefield" is "no"

[thin ibex]

well, i think its more like "Yes, but thats also an instant death flag"

[tepid stratus]

Oh hello hellsreach, what are you doing over there?

[thin ibex]

Happens in the Tanith too iirc

[floral herald]

I think this is particularly funny since that name is from probably the most famous crack ship fic in 40k history

It's... pretty good iirc but its been like a decade or more since I read it

[thin ibex]

question, where in eldar hierarchy is an autarch placed? Are they equal to the farseers of the craftworld? Above?

[floral herald]

Below

An Autarch is roughly analogous to like the US chairman of the joint chiefs

The highest ranking military officer but below civilian leadership

[tired cairn]

Which name?

[floral herald]

Love Can Bloom

Vindicare Assassin x Farseer

[tired cairn]

Oh, lol

Was it making a macross MGS reference, or is that a coincidence?

[floral herald]

I have no idea

It probably was

[tardy vault]

Song names and lyrics are super common fic names

[tired cairn]

... Why do I think it was Macross

[tardy vault]

We assume it's from a song because you mentioned Macross.

[floral herald]

I’d link the fic but it has a lot of “/tg/ metadata” around it which is sort of gross

[soft willow]

No love, Only War

Also there was some romance in Gaunts Ghosts I think.

[thin ibex]

There was indeed, even a small family of sorts. I never finished the whole series though so I don't remember what became of them

[soft willow]

And some off screen romance between that one "goofy" Commissar and the inquisitor in his books.

I'm completely blanking on the name of the primary character who is the literal title character of the series.

[soft willow]

Tragedy eventually.

But they get to be chill for some time.

[tepid stratus]

Cain and Vale

[soft willow]

Ciaphas Cain, that's what I was looking for yeah.

Thank you, that would have bothered me like all day.

[pulsar cairn]

i like him

https://tenor.com/view/mood-kindred-ultra-comfort-and-support-ciaphas-cain-40k-tts-bruva-alfabusa-gif-27205848

[thin ibex]

man i was just reading up on max from the gotrek and felix series, and i totally forgot that homeboy actually beat belakor in a sorcerous duel

[tepid stratus]

Dude is basically the second strongest gold wizard in the empire

[thin ibex]

also that one time he was a light wizard for no apparent reason, but then went back to being a former gold wizard

[thin ibex]

ngl i kinda hope Imotekh gets a gnarly statline/special ability

he's pretty sick, but gets overshadowed by big boi silent king

[naive abyss]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/31/warhammer-com-is-here-the-new-home-of-the-worlds-greatest-miniatures/

Lol

[lofty warren]

So whats happening to lotr

[naive abyss]

There's a queue lol

[lofty warren]

Lmao

[naive abyss]

Yes

[lofty warren]

Games-workshop.com worked FINE

[pastel rampart]

lol the old url redirects to the new one

[lofty warren]

Maybe should have like

Mentioned this before it was going to be made real

[thin ibex]

i actually do not mind hte new website

its clearly oriented towards touch screens like various pads and mobile

but seems completely functional otherwise

opted for a longer base page, with less info packed into the frame at a given time

[sinful merlin]

it's pretty bad

please just let me click a view all button again instead of 'show more' that loads 12 more things

[thin ibex]

im surprised that the top bar for navigation isn't frozen into the frame at all times personally

not what i wouldve done

also yeah, as far as building a site oriented around scrolling up and down, its curious the show all button doesn't exist

presumably the site has infinite scaling downwards

its also buggy, the warhammer logo/icon as a button is a broken link atm

i still dont hate the overall redesign though, and it makes sense to orient towards tablets and mobile

i think it couldve been done better sure

[sinful merlin]

these filters are also really bizarre

[thin ibex]

but the old site wasnt a champion of good design either; i just got used to it

[tired cairn]

I can't filter by Tyranids

[sinful merlin]

one thing that immediately stands out to me is that kill team doesn't have any actual killteams in it anymore besides one

oh and they also deleted everyone's virtual voucher balance

[thin ibex]

tyranids are gone, no more tyranids. I wonder if more testing shouldn't have been done before they went live

as in they set it to 0 or its non-visible

because im guessing some of the back end connections are as up to date as they shouldve been for a full release

[sinful merlin]

I had like 40 bucks a friend sent me

[thin ibex]

thats worth contacting them directly

[sinful merlin]

also active orders are apparently not showing up for people

[thin ibex]

if i had to bet, its still around, but their back end connections are not established yet

because they jumped the gun on going live

and the people actually doing the work are now scrambling

despite that, id still contact them

[naive abyss]

The new sites broken lol

Like I can't add the ancestors wrath to my cart for some reason

[unreal cosmos]

Noooo

[sinful merlin]

it ain't great

[pulsar cairn]

[sinful merlin]

like I dunno it feels weird having to click twice as much to get to the same place as before but now with less actually shown

[naive abyss]

Yeah

Also I guess I may just not get to buy those models

[sinful merlin]

feels a bit telling that the community article about it only uses phone and tablet screens in the previews lol

[thin ibex]

Reasonably certain that the store functionality isn't a design issue but a back end issue with managing their carts and linking to existing profiles

[naive abyss]

Ngl not better on mobile.But yeah Cuz the window of availability is coming up and they decided to do this shit lol

[naive abyss]

???

[sinful merlin]

Nah I mean the UI, it's really bad

[naive abyss]

Storm I literally can't put a model in my cart

[thin ibex]

It reeks of premature deployment where functionalities took a back seat to visual design

[naive abyss]

Like the button to do so just isn't there

For some reason

[thin ibex]

I'd bet money that the dev team also said it wasn't ready

[sinful merlin]

Like it's safe to say they'll probably fix removing everyone's virtual vouchers and make it so you can actually purchase stuff, but the visual and ui design is like, there, it's not gonna change

[naive abyss]

Like I'm not complaining about my existing cart disappearing or something

I got paid today and was gonna grab the rogue trader and warhammer day models lol

And I just sorta can't

[thin ibex]

I was saying that the inability to put a model in a cart isn't a design issue, it's a functionality issue.

It would be absolutely silly to design the site so that nothing could be purchased because the links don't exist. One would presume they in fact want people to buy things and intended for that function to exist

[naive abyss]

I mean sure

But the ui is also annoying

Like you hand to dig to get to each games shop more

Instead of them just being at the top

They're instead in two submenus on the opposite side the old site had them on

Like seriously who puts a menu in the top right lol

[soft willow]

Are they still taking orders for the Warhammer day models?

[naive abyss]

Should be till the sixth

As memory serves

[thin ibex]

they sure as hell hope they are

[naive abyss]

Oh they fixed that issue at least lol

[tired cairn]

Their search might have issues lol:

[thin ibex]

man so many little bits and bobs showing a complete lack of polish and finishing

[soft willow]

Yeah they clearly weren't ready for launch today.

[thin ibex]

this needed to be in the oven for like.. another couple weeks probably, at minimum

[naive abyss]

Or uh

[sinful merlin]

Oof trying it on mobile and when you go to an item listing it has a pop-up covering a bunch of the page following you if you scroll

That just has the price and an add to cart button

[naive abyss]

I guess the add to cart button now isn't working

[naive abyss]

Yeah it's annoying as fuck

[thin ibex]

also shouldve had a desktop formatting as well as a mobile format

mobile/tablet format i should say

[tired cairn]

It works (as in more functional) better on desktop though lol

[naive abyss]

Literally the site refuses lol

Just get that string of code

[thin ibex]

yeah thats also an obvious fuck up on the coding/formatting auto adjustment side of things

whew

what a messy ass launch

[naive abyss]

Hopefully they sort it out before the sixth

I'll be pissed if I can't get those models due to this

And right as Im also trying to sort out my wh+ free models nonsense with customer service too lol

Since gw just refuses to let me order those myself for some reason

Sorry to rag on

The timing just couldn't have been worse for me lol

[thin ibex]

im also just noticing a lot of like... simple errors, like pictures too big for their frame or not matching to the color bar they're in

broken links that go to code strings

links that dont go to the right place

[naive abyss]

Yeah it's just a hot mess tbh

[sinful merlin]

oof they also got rid of all the painting tips on each model

[pastel rampart]

...why

[thin ibex]

i think the design base is fine, but this needed like another month in the oven with some UX testing and back end polish

of course, its gonna be a "fix it in post" corporate project now

[thin ibex]

Trying out more ideas with necron lists

[pulsar cairn]

what's that weird cult that hangs out with the night lords called?

[cloud flicker]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/Drzr3JAahX

[runic swallow]

Raptors?

[upper canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7_6SdvdhwI

[pulsar cairn]

i think so

[solemn gull]

It is

[pulsar cairn]

what's their deal btw

are they just Chaos guys in jetpacks or do they have a bunch of pacts and etc?

causei know the night lords use them a lot but at the same time they are one of the traitor legions who don't like the gods a whole lot

[upper canopy]

I believe they worship a minor chaos god

and are just a sub-cult that some guys join

[pulsar cairn]

didn't know there were minor gods

in 40k at least

[solemn gull]

Anything that can be qualified into a thought can be a chaos god

Big 4 are the most common in the epic grimderp world of 40k

[pulsar cairn]

i do like chaos entities that have nothing to do with chaos gods

lots of potential for horror!

[floral herald]

Yeah Raptors follow a minor warp entity (hence why they're "Cult Troops" like Khorne Berserkers, Noise Marines, and so on) and slowly mutate into bird-of-prey like screaming daemonic fusions in worship of the Raptor God

Thus far there's never been much detail on it afaik

But Raptor Cults started taking over assault companies during the Horus Heresy iirc

They're kind of mistrusted by the legions now iirc because they're pretty fiercly independent

(And why their old models were painted in a unique brass-heavy scheme which didn't match their Black Legion defaults)

[thin ibex]

its a bit funny that raptors are better than the warp claws arent they?

mostly cause they can access power claws

err power fists

[pastel rampart]

Warp Claws have always sucked, unfortunately.

[thin ibex]

they are pretty cool looking at least

and i think they're decent infantry shredders in the current status

[pastel rampart]

No better than Raptors, but more expensive with no loadouts and a flashbang ability they can't even use on the turn they arrive.

[thin ibex]

yeah, fun for casuals but not particularly competetive

[pastel rampart]

I think they came out somewhere around the same time as the warriors of chaos forsaken, which are also "cool model but worse than any other option"

[unreal cosmos]

my Raptor models each have a lil bit of Warp Talon bits mixed in for flavor

well I lie, 3/5 of the models do

in my head it's because they've been scavenging parts from more corrupted units

[thin ibex]

well, just checked, they are actually consistently better per unit than the raptors at infantry shredding, thanks to better str, ap, and twin linked

but cant bring the big power weapon on the leader

though the warpglames ability is kinda weak

[pastel rampart]

Oh, huh, so they finally made them a viable choice?

[thin ibex]

I think they're decently viable, but are still more spensive

10 points more for better melee, and an invuln, and a worse ability

but both of them have kinda lukewarm abilties

[crisp lance]

https://vxtwitter.com/lord_carmi/status/1719527489079275881

https://vxtwitter.com/lord_carmi/status/1719477411278881094

[jaunty dawn]

need to make warp talons like actually flying possessed imo

and bring back old raptors smh

[pulsar cairn]

make them birds

then we can get winged to play

[ebon forge]

I love the fucking : )

10/10
Bezt Kunnin'

[ebon forge]

Reminds me of Steve

[naive abyss]

Update. Still can't order ancestors wrath lol

[ebon forge]

sad

Also
What is this

https://artbrushray.github.io/posts/vorraxv2/ found here

[naive abyss]

A really weird chain axe lol

[ebon forge]

Would taht even
Work
Like
That would work more like a hammer

[naive abyss]

I mean it's functionally structured similarly to a chain axe lol

Hell in some ways it's a more reasonable chain axe even lol

[ebon forge]

More reasonable, how?!

I think is a hammer?

[naive abyss]

The blades logically can spin unlike in most chain axes

Cuz they are circular saw blades which need less space generally speaking

[ebon forge]

Tru

[thin ibex]

It seems like one of those industrial grinders made smaller

So the blades probably both spin inwards

[ebon forge]

heavy dilaceration
Dunno how good will be against armor

[thin ibex]

Just has to find something to bite into to start I guess

Also probably destroys weapons used to block it

[pulsar cairn]

doesn't need to be real good against armor if you just crush them

[ebon forge]

Good points

[thin ibex]

Might be that the initial impact of the swing does the initial cracking

Then the grinder exacerbates the issue

[ebon forge]

Makes sense, if the teeth of the saws don't get fricked

[thin ibex]

They're made of warp metal or something is fine

Is honestly an exciting issue with normal chainsword too

[ebon forge]

Oh yeah, in the books the normal chainswords break all the time

[thin ibex]

Yeah but they also chew straight through power armor

[ebon forge]

Yeah, no wonder so many use it

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/s/0oUdI6MRL6

[pulsar cairn]

he reminds me of the dreadnoughts of old

also the Aeldari wiped out the Cabal

i find that to be extremely boring

[ebon forge]

Looking good!

[ebon forge]

Yeah he's stuck into one thanks to Khorne

[tired cairn]

The chain axe in Darktide is actually reasonable on that front.

I have no idea wtf is up with other chain axes

[ebon forge]

Why that looks like a PS2 game render

[tired cairn]

Because I was too lazy to find a higher res image

[thin ibex]

Tbh none of the chain weapons actually make much sense

Which is fine

[tired cairn]

You can at least imagine how the teeth move in a chain sword

Unlike whatever is going on here

[ebon forge]

Yeah, power fantasy n all

[ebon forge]

Also agreed, at least here you can imagine the chains actually moving and where the motor would go

like

while this one makes a curve, kinda
not really
Maybe hte teeth retracts?

[tired cairn]

Actually, looking at some other chain sword pictures, I now agree with you lol

[thin ibex]

Pretty sure that's just a normal serrated axe

[tired cairn]

I am too used to video games where they have to make it work lol

It's a "Reaver Pattern Chainaxe" according to the internets

[ebon forge]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Chainaxe is literally the second example pic, down bellow

[thin ibex]

Yeah like on an objective level the issues are:

• Chainsaws aren't actually any better than a blade for most combative situations.
• swinging one like an axe or sword works counter to the way one works
• where is the fuel reservoir?
• where is the motor?
• how powerful is the motor?
• the weapon is generally too heavy for practical application
• even well made teeth are going to be more fragile than monosteel blades

Unless magic is involved

But they're sick af, so whatever

[ebon forge]

yeah

All of that
but
SIck af

Look how happy Angy is

With Gorefather and gorechild

[ebon forge]

ohno

gorefather and fathergore

Or just be a Ork
And be simple but happi

[topaz elk]

I mean having an extra spike is legitimately good axe design

[naive abyss]

Random but I find it hilarious gw has not acknowledged any of the issues with the new website lol

[ebon forge]

They are too proud for that

[ebon forge]

That's the schematic

[naive abyss]

Out here literally unable to give them money lol

[thin ibex]

I 100% think gw is managing an internal shitstorm with internal meetings and someone is either being stopped from or is dropping the ball on their PR

And client relations

[ebon forge]

Me trying to buy Brutal Kunnin' from the black Library (I am brazillian)

[naive abyss]

Tbh I would've rolled the sites back by now

[thin ibex]

Honestly the biggest pebbled with the ork axe is

• what's the cable for or connect to? Is the axe electrified? Is there a battery inside the perforated section?

[naive abyss]

Or at least stopped the old url redirect nonsense

[naive abyss]

I mean it's likely powered like that's just standard power weapon design lol

[ebon forge]

A: Ork's hopes and dreams

[naive abyss]

There's even cables attached to lug nuts on the axe lol

[ebon forge]

lug NUTS?!

[thin ibex]

It's a tough corporate decision, and I'm curious on if they even CAN. If they could, that would be my call too, temporarily revert, host the new site internally and fix the myriad of bugs.

I'm curious at if they actually can't do that because of how they logistics or having poor data discipline

[ebon forge]

Those are very good questions

As well contractors

[naive abyss]

Yeah

[thin ibex]

is definitely implied to be powered, it's just, like other power weapons, unclear where the power source is.

Also at least traditionally I think big choppas aren't powered weapons? I guess they could be

[naive abyss]

Cuz like ostensibly the old website exists

Like you can still Google it and see embeds

It just has a front end redirect now

[ebon forge]

Knowing orks, it can just to 'look extra killy'

[naive abyss]

It varies

Cuz some have buzz saw blades lol

[ebon forge]

Otherwise, can be a micro nuclear battery that vibrates the axe to help with the cutting

[jaunty dawn]

orks don't really do power weapons

probably just saw it on someone's axe and was like I like the look of that

[naive abyss]

I mean they do they just aren't statted or called that lol

[ebon forge]

I beg to differ

[naive abyss]

It's like how they absolutely have chain weapons

[jaunty dawn]

like power claws and power stabbas are like

piston driven

not power field based

[naive abyss]

But they're never called that

[ebon forge]

There is the Kustom Force Field, and the Gretchin teleporter gun

[naive abyss]

Like ork weapons are aggressively non standardised

[ebon forge]

That's the best part

[thin ibex]

i actually wouldn't put it past an ork to imitate the look of a power weapon withou actually having power

and then just swinging harder

[ebon forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2tLEpqHvLA literally use TRASH to look more autentic

[naive abyss]

It's why nothing is called power or chain even when they obviously are lol

[thin ibex]

proly also cause orks are like.. results oriented, so the fact that its chain or power or whatever might not be very important compared to it being bigger or more killy

[naive abyss]

I mean sure but they do also totally have some imo

[ebon forge]

The power of beliving in yourself
And violence

[dense sedge]

Chai swords are cool even if bad

[naive abyss]

Exactly lol

[thin ibex]

the "chain axe" is just a Big Killa Choppa, and then the "power axe" is also probably Big Killa Choppa and when asked for the distinction, they might give you the color before the mechanism

dis wun is red

dis wun is less red

[naive abyss]

Yeah big choppa for orks has been modeled as powered, chain, and just big hunk of metal lol

Just like how choppas are modeled as chain and just metal pretty often

[thin ibex]

"yes but which do you like better, the chain or the powered one?"
"Da one that is killiest."

[ebon forge]

Orks trully are the perfect race that found their meaning

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/s/WnswQvpY9P

[thin ibex]

i also wouldn't put it past an ork powered weapon to not actually create a disruption power field in some cases, but rather just make the blade really hot

power klaws not withstanding

[ebon forge]

"Extra 'picy Choppa"

[naive abyss]

Lol

This just reminds me of the fun lil lov lore tidbits

Like the saying "prize for an ork"

Which is a great alternative to umgak

[thin ibex]

i feel like getting outfoxed by the rare piece of clever ork tech is just as embarassing for the LoV as it is for a necron, if not more. I imagine LoV take more pride in their artifice

[ebon forge]

Ad Mechs must be so fustrated with Orks

"Bro how the actual 01100110 01110101 01100011 01101011"

[thin ibex]

I wonder if LoV have the bad habit that imperial commanders are known for having; as far as presuming the lack of sophistication and intelligence in orks. Part of me thinks yes, because Kin are prideful, but part of me says no, because Kin are also generally practically minded and have long familiarity with fighting orks. Though i guess literally everyone has long familiarity fighting orks

[ebon forge]

Just insult their beard and Kin will lose all composure
Ezz

[thin ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/total-war-warhammer-3-total-war-warhammer-warhammer-3-high-king-gif-16750901707857004184

[ebon forge]

Also
Best Rocket Launcher
"Blast shield"
Sure buddy that will sure protect you

[thin ibex]

i think its the shield for the rocket propellent

[ebon forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbH8gr3XH6I&pp=ygULZHdhcmYgc2hvcnQ%3D

[thin ibex]

rather than from enemy fire

[naive abyss]

Less of a thing for lov lol

[naive abyss]

Also considering how deliberate they fight I doubt they'd do the imperial thing lol

[thin ibex]

im hemming and hawing, cause frankly its very understandable to underestimate orks when you're right about them like 70+% of the time, which stands for most factions

[naive abyss]

Like allot of their thing with orks is hating how wasteful they are lol

And them just being one of the only historically wide spread threats in the core

[thin ibex]

if theres one thing you can rely on, its that every faction has been fighting orks longer than they've been fighting each other. Except aeldari and necrons i guess

[ebon forge]

They do have Grudge mechanics so

[naive abyss]

Orks were in war in heaven lol

[naive abyss]

I mean yes

[ebon forge]

The original version before the degeneration

[thin ibex]

they were, but their existence, iirc, lags behind the creation of aeldari by an undefined amount

[ebon forge]

The frogs did an oops

[thin ibex]

so its nitpicky, but aeldari would have been fighting necrons by a cosmically insignificant but still technically longer time than orks

[ebon forge]

No frogs in 40k 😦

[ebon forge]

Is a wonder how much tech they lost at the birth of Slanny

[thin ibex]

dont worry, its all in the vaults of Cammorragh, completely unusable by the Drukharii

so largely nonexistent from a narrative perspective

[ebon forge]

Cammorragh is perfect, because is the ultimate lore blueballs, fitting for the Drukharii

alongside the black library

[thin ibex]

its almost a disappointment that the harlequins are a unit on the board/a faction, as it removes a lil bit of their mystique

[ebon forge]

yeah, same as Custodes tbh
They are so OP in lore they should not have "Stat blocks"

[thin ibex]

that being said, since they got so built up over the years, i understand needing to put some plastic on the table about it

the demand was there

[floral herald]

I’m pretty sure harlequins have had models longer than they’ve had most of their lore haha

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

[ebon forge]

yeah
Game comes first, then lore

otherwise Kaldor Draigo would be able to Solo Mortarion in the tabletop

[naive abyss]

But it's more a thing of "you did blank bad thing to the whole hold now die"

[floral herald]

Looking it up it seems that the original clown models came out at the same time as the first bits of lore as a white dwarf supplement

[naive abyss]

Tbh I wish we had more like direct space chaos warriors

Cuz csm just don't scratch that to me

[ebon forge]

Yeah, at least in Kill Team we had more of that

[naive abyss]

Tbh a chaos xenos faction would be cool

[spice flicker]

Anyone know much about AOS' sky pirates?

[floral herald]

Stodes are I think in the sort of tricky position fictionally of being both very hardcore but also extensively mythologized by the imperium

And that gets a little weird on the tabletop because they’re super badasses who, like everyone else, are not immune to heavy artillery

[naive abyss]

The kharadron?

[ebon forge]

yeeeeah
And somehow have terminator armor

[thin ibex]

i think if they had a csm unit with storm shields, it would be a better way to catch that chaos warriros parallel

[naive abyss]

I wouldn't call them pirates but I know them yes

[ebon forge]

I still like 'em
Fun bois

[thin ibex]

like chosen with storm shields

or assault shields

[naive abyss]

It's in part the helmets for me

Like csm helmets just don't hit my neurons like warrior ones

Cuz it's just what if we glued stuff onto marine ones

Not its own distinct thing

[spice flicker]

It was a joke but yeah the kharadrons. I have been looking at them trying to figure out a good list since an army of dirigibles aound neat.

[naive abyss]

It'd be like if warriors had spike versions of imperial hats/helmets lol

[naive abyss]

Can't help on the list but I know lore lol

[spice flicker]

I see

[thin ibex]

i was honestly a bit disappointed that aos didn't really have a direct stubborn dwarven analogue when i looked; either having flying gun dwarves or angry fire dwarves

[naive abyss]

I'm not a good source for lists in general tbh

[thin ibex]

mostly cause neither option favors the firm and resolute shield wall

[naive abyss]

I'm like on the other side of the hobby from list making lol

[naive abyss]

In theory that's the cos dwarfs

In theory

Dispossessed or whatever

[thin ibex]

i was told to look to the stormcast or lumineth if i wanted my firm shield wall as a faction, and yeah possibly cities of sigmar too

[naive abyss]

But tbh overall aos has a dorf rep deficit imo

Like we have sixty elf factions and one and a half dwarf ones lol

[thin ibex]

ive never been a huge fan of the elven shield wall for some reason, compare to the dwarven one

but stormcast one seems pretty cool

at least

[naive abyss]

But yeah I've ranted enough times sit dorfs in aos

I'll say the fyreslayer warcry warband is kick ass though

[thin ibex]

yeah they look sick

you know way way back

i wanted to do a fyreslayer army

[spice flicker]

Having just finished the thanquol end times novel I have a new respect for the Dwarfs (and Skarsnik a little) tbh and was never too big of a fan of them before.

[thin ibex]

but the issue is they all kinda looked the same

and so i did not because army variety was a concern

despite them apparently having some of the best melee units points could buy apparently

[naive abyss]

The new slayers just sorta highlight how bad that range is tbh

[naive abyss]

Gotrek isn't exclusive to them lol

[thin ibex]

heck im not even huge on the kharadron, but they are more interesting than the fyreslayers

visually speaking

apparently they're also quite good?

[naive abyss]

I love the kharadron just they don't ever get new shit lol

Just like a character a year

If anything

And rumors point to umbranetg

And I'm just like omfg can we get some dorfs like fuck lol

Like the chorfs are around and the only model they have is bloody human thralls for warcry like what

[thin ibex]

though i was also not sure how much play variety id get if i started in AoS having never played before with kharadron

vs something like stormcast generally offering me a lot of play options

but also like...

im a tau player

kharadron also love that ranged superiority

[naive abyss]

I mean it'll be nothing compared to stormcast

But that's true of most factions in aos

[spice flicker]

As a knights enjoyer I have come to terms with armies with low model counts

[thin ibex]

yeah, im mostly speaking to like, as a beginner, having the ability to adjust your strategy with your available options is nice

[naive abyss]

Like only the lumineth can compete with stormcast lol

[spice flicker]

Though custodes annoy me because I can never feel like I have enough bodies.

[thin ibex]

so like, if a faction has a single strategy that it can't really deviate from because of its range, it can be difficult to adapt

[spice flicker]

Nighthaunt have some variety

You'll still spam for the most part but have options for what to spam

[thin ibex]

my biggest personal targets were Ogors, stormcast, kharadron, and seraphon (cause i wanted to try out their weirdo cool summoning mechanic that I understand no one uses anymore)

[floral herald]

I would love CSM with scary spiky shields

[thin ibex]

also missed opportunity for a chaos icon shaped shield

[naive abyss]

Also I'm totally normal about lumineth having a mountain and hammer faction with bull iconography

[naive abyss]

Love the updated seraphon

[floral herald]

GW is mean and only wants loyalists to get storm shields for some reason

I don't think CSM have ever gotten one

[thin ibex]

i like the seraphon and they also appeal to my love of high quality basic troops

[spice flicker]

I feel like if I ever got into seraphon I would just go full jurrassic park and spam the big dinos. Speaking of jurrasic park I highly recommend the book if you haven't read it yet as it's more of a sci-fi horror story than the movie.

[thin ibex]

but also that weird like summoning mechanic was just very interesting to me

summoning your army after the battle starts?

super interesting

[spice flicker]

Is it vampires or fec that summon better?

[naive abyss]

I like the homebrw lizards I made

[thin ibex]

i know half the attraction for most people to seraphon is big stompy dinos

but i feel like id want to play up the slann angle

[naive abyss]

For me it's the saurus

[spice flicker]

Frogs vs dinos...

Dinos

[naive abyss]

Those new models fuck

I'm big on like scar veteran leading half feral warriors vibes

While the frog is just being weird in the distance lol

Oh shoot I can finally put ancestors wrath in my cart lol

[thin ibex]

i do also friggin love the kroxigors

they look sick

huge crocodile dudes with pole weapons?

count me in

[naive abyss]

Well not all crocs but yes

The new ones look great though

Tbh all the new stuff does

[thin ibex]

Tried my hand at a list of em

But I'm not sure how the summoning mechanic works

I knew I needed some star wizards to get cosmic points though

But it doesn't seem like I can get enough points to summon anything turn 1

And I'm not sure if I have to summon my units or if these units deploy and I'm summoning additional units

[naive abyss]

https://youtu.be/hRwh9Lg_hwk?si=b1jitNKjOYenG824

[jaunty dawn]

you deploy all your army and then summoning is extra units midgame

[thin ibex]

ohhh

i see

that could be quite powerful huh

[jaunty dawn]

ye

[thin ibex]

getting fresh units mid game

does the army i made make sense?

[spice flicker]

Potential Kharadron Overlords list I'm tinkering with:
https://pastebin.com/tGK98v1N

[tepid stratus]

That's a lotta boat and not a lotta guys to go in them

I'd say go 2 frigates instead and spend the extra points on more thunderers or endrinriggers to give you some more hitting power per boat

[thin ibex]

goodyear! you're big on aos yeah? Can you give me the quick and dirty on the two seraphon ways to play and like a really generalized basic list? I figure at basic its got to have a slann, some skinks and some saurus and then like a big thing

[tepid stratus]

If you run starborne (the current meta way to play) you often won't even look at saurus tbh. You want an astrolith bearer, slann, buncha skinks, troglodon and maybe kroak if you want to go tall instead of wide. Gameplan is mortal wound spam. However if you're cool you'll go coalesced and run old blood on carnosaur, couple of units of saurus warriors, scar vet on aggrodon, unit or two of aggrodon riders and sprinkle in a slann, bastilodon or engine of the gods to taste. Fill leftover points with skinks

Coalesced are an aggressive Grindhouse playstyle

[thin ibex]

im legit surprised starborne is the meta, but it makes sense if its a way to get fresh units midgame

[tepid stratus]

And yeah I run tournaments locally, I see the whole stretch from casual to sweat lord

[thin ibex]

stompy monsters would be a popular but not necessarily the "basic" seraphon list right?

[tepid stratus]

It's the ability to blitz the enemy down with mortal wound bubbles. Between spells on kroak and the slann plus the d6 mortals from cleanse the realms and the mortals on 6s from the starpriest on a blowpipe unit that pumps out too many mortals for most armies to mitigate

[tepid stratus]

It's the cool way to play IMO but yeah it's not what is call a basic list

[thin ibex]

ohhh snap, starborne are the grey knights of old!

say hello to mortal wounds

[thin ibex]

ok so for 1k, was my list a little too light?

[tepid stratus]

Too hero heavy, not enough objective control

Drop the slann at 1000pts, too big of an investment

At 1000pts coalesced play better. The wombo combos starborne are built around only really come online at 1500pts and higher

[thin ibex]

mm, that makes sense

whats the gap you think? Better but not enough to make the mechanic untenable at 1k?

[tepid stratus]

Honestly the problem with starborne is their core mechanic is cosmic points which don't scale to smaller game sizes. The summons and powers that let you compete are just too hard to get while trying to stay on the table in low point games

An unfortunate casualty of GW only balancing for 2k

• Army Faction: Seraphon
  • Army Type: Starborne
  • Subfaction: Fangs of Sotek
    LEADERS
    Saurus Astrolith Bearer (140)
  • Artefacts of Power: Arcane Tome
    Skink Starpriest (130)
  • Spells: Celestial Harmony
    Skink Starseer (150)
  • General
  • Command Traits: Nimble Warleader
  • Spells: Speed of Huanchi
    BATTLELINE
    Skinks (180)
  • Boltspitter, Celestite Dagger and Star-buckler
    Skinks (180)
  • Skink Alpha
  • Boltspitter, Celestite Dagger and Star-buckler
    OTHER
    Ripperdactyl Riders (110)
  • Ripperdactyl Rider Alpha
    Ripperdactyl Riders (110)
  • Ripperdactyl Rider Alpha
    TOTAL POINTS: 1000/1000
    Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App

Just a quick brainstorm of a starborne list that might do some work at 1000pts

It's only 7 cosmic points a turn but it's got some damage output with the boltspitter + starpriest combo and the rippers are good for scoring

[thin ibex]

I figure at 1k the little things count for more anyway. Are the points generally not used for summons but for magic instead?

[tepid stratus]

In 2k it's just used to spam cleanse

At least competitively

[thin ibex]

I'd totally use it to summon

[tepid stratus]

Because you run so many skinks in 2k that as long as you can kill your opponent fast enough you will have enough bodies left to keep scoring

[thin ibex]

Mostly just cause summoning seems neat

[tepid stratus]

Summoning IMO is a mechanic I hope they start to phase out. It makes pricing units awkward because they get taxed upfront for potentially being free later

And not all summoning is made equally

[thin ibex]

At least to me, it's one of the more unique mechanics about the starborne

Magic is neat and clearly powerful

But it's just like... doing more wounds or whatever

[tepid stratus]

Summoning ceases to be neat when you realize all of chaos does it and so can some death armies

And DoK

[brittle salmon]

Summoning just seems really annoying

[tepid stratus]

It's a bad mechanic

Slaanesh for example has chronic problems with our daemons being too expensive, too weak or both because of how potentially easy we can summon them

[jaunty dawn]

I like how they changed rampagers from summoning to reviving with a summoning narrative

[tepid stratus]

The keeper of secrets is blatantly the worst greater daemon and is stated like a 200pt unit despite costing 400. But on a good day I can summon it turn 2 in a matchup like soulblight or skaven

[thin ibex]

Aren't the starborne effectively order Daemons created by the slann?

[tepid stratus]

I'd never summon it because 30 Daemonettes is better in every way and besides that my powers for banking points is more worthwhile anyways

[tepid stratus]

Yes but no but yes

They even used to have the daemon keyword but lost it because it made for jank rules interactions

Did make the mirror match hilarious tho because a bunch of seraphon stuff had bonuses for fighting daemons

[thin ibex]

Oh lol

[tepid stratus]

I hope they give skaven the same treatment

[thin ibex]

Hmm so my impression of starborne was off, they're laser lizards not imaginary lizards made from stars, while the coalesced are monsters and teeth and blood and scales lizards

[tepid stratus]

Yes, if they're separated from their ships for too long the light lizards become real lizards

[thin ibex]

Starborne is less a cool and unique "summon your army with in game resource mini game" and rather a Lazer light mw rave extravaganza

[tepid stratus]

Spatial translocation used to be called great rememberer because it was flavoured as the slann going "no wait I remember you being over there in our battle formation millennia ago"

[thin ibex]

Hmm

A bit disappointing, but that's a bit on me for reading em wrong

But also then being kinda like old grey knights using smite spam galore for mw overload is a bit unfortunate

[tepid stratus]

No you read them how GW intended. It's just that it doesn't play like intended due to killing shit always being the corrective move 90% of the time

Summoning was their gimmick until their 3rd edition book added the cosmic powers and tournament players pogged out at blanketing the enemy deployment zone in d6 mortals every turn

Playing against starborne is just an exercise in how good at wizard killing your list is

[thin ibex]

laaaame, but ok

not that "taste my mortal wounds" can't be powerful, just not... super interesting lol

slann be like

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-elmo-elmo-fire-fire-chaos-chaos-fire-gif-26561992

ogors generally come in "frosty bois" and "regular warhammer fantasy ogre's but spelled differently" as far as list building?

[tepid stratus]

I mean they're a top 5 army because of "taste my mortal wounds" but it's so one track and if your opponent can actually shut down your casting or alpha hard enough into you it's gg

[tepid stratus]

Nah you get a good amount of mix and match these days. Even "classic" heavy lists will take a frostlord for the beef

Sure "oops all monsters" is good too but a balanced list is perfectly viable

[thin ibex]

they seem like a good avenue for "low model count, with some variable list styles to explore"

one day i could favor leadbelcher shooty bois, other days i could monster mash

or maybe bring da thunda with some melee guys

they even have some decent casting don't they?

[tepid stratus]

They're not swinging with the caster armies but it's there and it can make a difference every once in a while

The new maw pit makes butchers a more interesting choice

[thin ibex]

my alt for like, low model count with plenty of variety was gonna be stormcast

as far as not being trapped into a single mode

[past sphinx]

gimmie your skin, delicous skin

[thin ibex]

that dude could totally be a unit in toms new maleghast game

[tepid stratus]

For low model count you have slaves to darkness, ogors, stormcast, soulblight (deceptive I know but I run all vamps and the list is only 43 models but I could get that down to 39 if I wanted), sons of behemat, gloomspite (troll spam), khorne (bloodthirster spam, they even have a subfaction for it), nurgle and beasts of chaos (quake fray sub faction is all about the monsters)

To a lesser degree idoneth can lean into shark and eel spam and sylvaneth can build into the big trees

[thin ibex]

the sons of behemat came to mind but they FELT like a bit cheesy

also harder to scale down for smaller fights

idoneth are interesting, i havent looked much at them

but i do like their aquatic vibe

[tepid stratus]

Yeah sons don't function at all below 1500pts

[thin ibex]

is it possible to do elite Ossiarchs?

necropolis stalkers look sick

[tepid stratus]

Yeah you can lean into elite ossiarchs. Morghasts become battleline options of you run arkhan and if you have a mortisan as your general you get immortis guard and necropolis stalkers as battleline

It's just not a popular build because healing on the elite stuff got nerfed

[thin ibex]

kainan's reapers look sick too, are they a warcry band or just an elite unit?

[tepid stratus]

They're and underworlds warband that got rules for AOS

[thin ibex]

ooo neat

the leader looks grim and cool

[tepid stratus]

Kainan himself kinda fucks tbh

[thin ibex]

who's this katakros character? Is he trying to bandit Settra's drip in his absence?

mans could never

oh damn the vanguard box comes with a very cool looking leader... im guessing you can't acquire that guy solo without ebay or some other resale

[tepid stratus]

Orphean Chadakros is the mortarch of the necropolis. A tactical genius who died in an unfortunate chariot charge, dude conquered a section of the underworld and held it so long nagash had to rock up in person to deal with the problem. Naturally nagash offered him a job and katakros accepted. His gimmick in lore is he will fight you over and over again as long as it takes to formulate a plan to beat you which he's currently doing to archaon by besieging the allpoints

[tepid stratus]

Nah he's sold separately

[thin ibex]

yoo ok, he looks way cooler than the other mortisans on the faffed up warhammer page

oh yo? He's a big enough deal to measure himself against archaon the ever plotarmored?

thats actually pretty cool

he's no settra, but then ya can't expect him to be

sick model tho

[tepid stratus]

He's kept archaon in a stalemate for a few decades now

Like archaon can't leave the varanspire for long without risking katakros just bulldozing the place

[thin ibex]

that puts him like in the top echelon of age of sigmars most impressive individuals doesnt it?

[tepid stratus]

Yup

He also has a unique ability among mortarchs: not being a lying, cheating bastard

So nagash just lets him do his thing with little to no oversight

Dudes invasion made archaon pull back from trying to free slaanesh and when they dueled archaon naturally destroyed him. But after jumping to a backup body he basically said "alright so that's how he fights... How many backups did we bring? Cool I can take him then"

[thin ibex]

kind of sick tbh

i need to go catch up on lore i guess, didn't even know slaanesh was imprisoned

[tepid stratus]

Slaanesh has been imprisoned since the start because GW was floating around the idea of making the game kid friendly or so they say...

[jaunty dawn]

feel like that's been an anxiety of the community forever lol

[tepid stratus]

As a slaanesh player tho honestly the treatment of Slaanesh as a faction in AOS has been the wildest rollercoaster of highs and lows

[unreal cosmos]

Very glad he has lore to match his looks

[thin ibex]

i... don't know that warhammer has ever been kid friendly; but like... as far as aesthetic shift i do concede that there are more ways to illustrate excess than tits out with crab claws

new question, whats the deal with kragnos the god of earthquakes

does he have a narrative presence or is he more of a looming threat seen from a distance

or is he a jobber to get beaten by todays chosen hero

[jaunty dawn]

I think he was hyped and then didn't do anything?

[tepid stratus]

He instigated a war between his species and the dragons way back when driving both to near extinction before he was buried under a mountain

Now destruction rallies around him as he goes around destroying cities and trying to finish what he started by killing the last dragons

[thin ibex]

ahh ok

he seems like serious bidness, but in the sort of "this is aos's kholek suneater" serious bidness

in that his destiny is to get jobbed

[tepid stratus]

Fun fact, he speaks a dead language that only gobsprakk can translate so gobsprakk just tells the other followers whatever the fuck he wants

[thin ibex]

lol

[tepid stratus]

Unfortunately much like gordrak and king brodd, his bidness is to be an excuse to give destruction a W and destroy a city or fortress in a story while making the perspective order characters look like cool dudes fighting against the odds and barely escaping alive

It's become an unfortunate trend

[thin ibex]

ah yeah thats within expectations

i think that air is lent more strongly to destruction too

[tepid stratus]

The new guy Trugg is also just kind of a "walking disaster" kind of character so you can literally name swap any of the big destruction dudes around in their stories and almost nothing changes aside from who their racist against

[thin ibex]

le sigh, i mean it works when you want a focal point of destruction, but it falls more flat when it bears repeating

also i imagine that like all these walking disaster types would be a problem for any of the factions, rather than just order

[spice flicker]

Has arkhan recovered from elathion's Sparta kick yet?

[tepid stratus]

The secondary named characters are the ones actually doing interesting shit like zoggrok and gobsprakk

[tepid stratus]

Not yet

[spice flicker]

Kinda wish vlad came back

[tepid stratus]

And nagash is still reforming

[thin ibex]

who blasted nagash?

[spice flicker]

Teclis

[thin ibex]

oh damn teclis

go off

[tepid stratus]

I'd hope not if only for fear of them ruining him

[spice flicker]

I get it

[tepid stratus]

His sendoff in the end times was one of the few good ones

[pulsar cairn]

wait i thought Nagash was a god

[spice flicker]

He was

*is

[tepid stratus]

Yes he's the god of death

But his physical form can be destroyed and he needs to rebuild it

[thin ibex]

on teclis' model, is he... floating or sitting on a wing?

[pulsar cairn]

:vicksyConcern: dude has a physical form? that sounds bad

[tepid stratus]

Supposed to be floating but for obvious modelling purposes he's connected by his cape

[pulsar cairn]

also the what was the guy who kicked his ass called?

he does not serve he rules

[tepid stratus]

Yup. His physical body is basically death magic Chernobyl. Anyone that isn't sufficiently powerful just died by being in the same zip code as his body

[spice flicker]

Major gods can't be killed permanently since their essence is part of their respective realms iirc. So nagash got obliterated and is reforming. Last I heard was he was reforming and calling for Arkhan with Nefrotara (or however her name is spelt) being unsure if Nagash is even aware of his #2's fate.

[thin ibex]

oh yo, these spirits of whatever look sick

looking at lumineth models

alarith and avelanor are cool looking

[spice flicker]

Elathion the light golem

[thin ibex]

oh elathion looks cool too

[spice flicker]

Or AOS rubric marine character

[pastel rampart]

Nagash has spent more time rebuilding his body than actually living in it, I think.

[thin ibex]

i don't usually vibe hard with high elven aesthetic, but some of their models look cool

[pastel rampart]

Dude's been exploded like what, 4 times by now?

[tepid stratus]

Settra and unfortunately that was kind of the other way around. Settra got smashed, the chaos gods made him a daemon prince, he went to rematch nagash but when the chaos gods said "yes! Dew it!" He turned around and charged into the warp to sate his own ego

[thin ibex]

hurakan and severeth also are actually jsut really cool models

[tepid stratus]

3 so far

[spice flicker]

Settra did make it into aos as a stormcast eternal named Settras but had to be "reforged" a few times to be made subservient to sigmar.

[tepid stratus]

When the old world exploded, when he fought archaon and now when he fought Teclis

[pastel rampart]

Later walked back as not being Settra.

[thin ibex]

i was under the impression that hte stormcast settra was not totally confirmed as settra?

[tepid stratus]

GW hard retconned that saying it wasn't settra and slapped the writer

[pastel rampart]

Ah, so it'd be like five times if we count WHFB.

[spice flicker]

Oh that's good

[thin ibex]

settra def deserves more of a sendoff if he's gone than a like... very short blurb i think

i don't actually mind if he's gone for good, but a single "oh yeah thats settra btw" seems a little disrespectful

[tepid stratus]

Including his deaths as a lich/human? Yeah like 5

[spice flicker]

Is that one stormcast wizard still confirmed as gelt in all but name?

[tepid stratus]

Yes

Lord Balthus is Balthazar reforged

[pastel rampart]

As it is I don't think they'll officially say Settra is dead because he's popular and they can have him in their back pocket as a returning figure.

[tepid stratus]

The primarch defense

[pastel rampart]

Bursting through the warp riding a flaming bone chariot and doing donuts on Nagash's chest.

[pulsar cairn]

i thought settra managed to beat nagash during their rematch

[tepid stratus]

I just want a slaanesh character that can get a W. So far the closest we've gotten to a slaanesh W is Syll'Eskke but that was slaanesh infighting

[pulsar cairn]

[tepid stratus]

It never finished because the chaos gods interrupted before settra could finish it

[thin ibex]

the exact second that nagash reforms, settra bursts out of space to blow him apart again

except now the chariot is like a bone 18 wheeler

space trucker settra lets go

zoomin through the realms, running over his foes

[pastel rampart]

Settra with a "chaos gods fear me" hat.

[spice flicker]

Also Nagash blew up so....

[tepid stratus]

Didn't stop him when an entire planet blew up with him last time

[spice flicker]

Turns out Settra got cursed by the gods for betraying them after they Reformed him during the End Times. This curse takes the form of something always happening to Nagash making him blow up, flee, or disappear every time Settra tries to get a rematch in the mortal realms.

[thin ibex]

lol

[pulsar cairn]

kinda like how guardsman randomly blow up near the inquisition? :vicksyAww:

[spice flicker]

Nagash is of course completely unaware of this curse.

[thin ibex]

man i have mixed feelings about nagash being so easily led by his ego. Like yes, his ego is one of his defining characteristics, but so is his raw strategic intellect. Alas its been literal years so theres nothing to be gained from it

[spice flicker]

With how often Nagash gets beaten in AOS I wonder if he has been getting lessons from Thanquol in terms of scheming successfulness.

[thin ibex]

effectively katakros is the kind of character nagash would work as, except not in service to anyone

[tepid stratus]

I mean every time his intellect wins out over his ego a literal god intervenes whether it's Teclis or the horned rat

[spice flicker]

Katakros vs settra

[tepid stratus]

I mean in AOS he's only personally lost twice

But collectively yeah it's been like 5 defeats

Meanwhile thanquol hasn't lost at all in AOS

[thin ibex]

nagash gets foiled mostly cause hes a villain, and villains get foiled; but he never gets truly foiled, cause he's always got a plan b to continue making things awful fo folks

[tepid stratus]

I mean when the end game is literally "everyone dies" and his plans are almost always a direct a to b on that, his plans have to fail by necessity

[spice flicker]

Can all the death factions take Nagash on the tabletop?

[tepid stratus]

Yes!

[spice flicker]

Which faction does he synergies with best?

[tepid stratus]

But he doesn't get their allegiance abilities. He does however get all their spells

ATM he's best in nighthaunt or bonereapers

[thin ibex]

he kinda came out on top in a lot of ways, in the end times

became one with the magical wind of death

[spice flicker]

Well before the other incarnates did

[tepid stratus]

He did it first, no collaboration needed

[thin ibex]

i think he might also qualify as the most ambitious and driven individual in the joint histories of the old world and aos

[tepid stratus]

Teclis is just mad he needed help from a vampire and a human

[spice flicker]

The former backstabbed the latter killing both the human and causing him to get blown up due to energy overload.

[tepid stratus]

Oh he absolutely is

[spice flicker]

Why anybody still works with manny the backstabber is beyond me.

[tepid stratus]

Teclis is clearly a poor judge of character. Take that elf lovers!

Should have just made manbaby his slave like nagash did

[thin ibex]

i do feel like mannfred has the same vibes as like kharn or lu bu from the romance of the 3 kingdoms

[spice flicker]

Kharn is a swell guy though

[thin ibex]

where its like "betrayer is in his name, what the fuck did you expect?"

[tepid stratus]

That's an insult to kharn and lu bu

[thin ibex]

lu bu literally turning on every single liege he ever had

im pretty sure people work with manny because they're like "he's totally gonna betray me, but hes powerful, i just have to pick when i betray him FIRST"

and then they fail

because mannfred maxed out "betrayal" as a skill

[tepid stratus]

Yet Manny keeps crawling back to daddy nagash

I think nagash just finds him funny at this point

[spice flicker]

I will say though that what happened at the end of the Nagash end times novel with all of Nagash's servants getting what they want except Manny whose desired outcome fails so hard Vlad replaces him as chief vampire servant.

[spice flicker]

Kinda like the GHR with thanquol?

[tepid stratus]

Or slaanesh with Lucius

[spice flicker]

"You're absolutely not worth bringing back into the fold and I'll regret it later but I love to get the popcorn and watch you fail before coming back."

[thin ibex]

are the forces of destruction in aos largely just like nebulous undirected and powerful nuisance presences for everyone else?

[dense sedge]

Basically

[spice flicker]

Yes

[pastel rampart]

More or less, yeah. They're all unaffiliated/unaligned forces that get lumped into the category.

[pulsar cairn]

anyway Nagash looks awesome design wise

[spice flicker]

With most worshipping Gorkamorka in one form or another. Some are aware some arent

[spice flicker]

Agreed though if only he didn't cost nearly 1000 points to field.

[pulsar cairn]

[spice flicker]

Is he the single most expensive model to field in AoS?

[thin ibex]

hmm so generally destruction has no real stakes in the wider contest of kingdoms, realms, ideology and whatever, but they generally also can't be ignored because they're very essence is to break shit that other folks have built

[tepid stratus]

They all collectively just kinda pick one of the big 4 warleaders (Gordrak, Trugg, kragnos and brodd) to follow and proceed to be a problem for everyone else

[tepid stratus]

Now that the FW stuff is culled, yes

Before Skholak the dragon was the most expensive

[spice flicker]

No matter what he'll be nearly half your army so what is the most efficient death faction to align him with? Nighthaunt?

Fec?

[tepid stratus]

(literally one of the surviving elder dragons fallen to khorne and forced to work with a lord of skulls whose life mission is to claim the skills of every elder dragon)

[tepid stratus]

Most efficient is FEC but most effective is nighthaunt

[spice flicker]

Is he ever worth taking?

I feel like he and Archaon have the problem where they are awesome models and can be great on the battlefield but their points make them a hazard to take.

[tepid stratus]

Casually yes but on a competitive level most people gunning for top tables will kill him before he gets to do much because 18 wounds on a 3+ 5+++ ain't much to players planning around killing 60 wounds on a 6+ 5+++

Archaon is actually still competitive because you can tailor his god marks around your opponents list

[spice flicker]

I see

[tepid stratus]

So a pocket -1 to wound or +1 attacks based on the matchup is big

[spice flicker]

These are decided during set up correct and not prebattle?

[tepid stratus]

For archaon specifically it's during setup, for other units it's in list building with the exception of belakor's subfaction

Who can once per turn give an undivided unit any keyword until your next turn

[spice flicker]

Neat

[naive abyss]

i want to like archies model

just its so busy lol

like the mans himself gets so lost in it

meanwhile nagash out here like

like hes just a bigger version of his old self lol

with more gubbins

to be the super duper ultra deluxe skeleton pope

ok ngl his sword option fucks

like never knew he had an option for a sword

but man what a kick ass sword

[thin ibex]

question what happens if i bring troops that are not included in the battallion i picked

do they have to deploy a different time

[pastel rampart]

I gotta paint up Nagash's metal model at some point.

[thin ibex]

throwing some lead at the enemies of destruction

no faction called construction, smh

i should replace teh ironguts with maneaters

[tepid stratus]

Each unit that isn't in a battle regiment is an individual drop as you alternate drops with your opponent

Whoever finishes deploying first chooses who gets first turn

[thin ibex]

Ohhh ok

Also ahhh ok so thar mass one drop is actually hugely important

[soft willow]

Anyone in here played a lot of the newest version of Necromunda?

[tepid stratus]

Depends on your army and the matchup. Like I said it lets you choose who goes first so most tournament lists are either 1-2 drops or aaaallll the drops

[thin ibex]

side note, leadbelchers are surprisingly short ranged

[tepid stratus]

KO, ironjaws, FEC, nighthaunt and other armies that can deliver a lot of damage fast really want to dictate the turn order

[thin ibex]

but still seem like they can lay out some hurt

[tepid stratus]

Leadbelchers are clutch

Just do fucking good

The ironblasters where king when the book first dropped but after points nerfs to kill spam the leadbelchers started seeing more play

[thin ibex]

visually they're one of my favorite ogor units

just

carrying a whole ass cannon

thank you very much

[tepid stratus]

Anytime man. If you have any other AOS questions just ping me

[thin ibex]

maneaters seem fun as a "i can customize this unit post opponent"

but otherwise seem to lack a bit of staying power

which is i guess what you get when you have a hybrid unit

[tepid stratus]

Tbh maneaters aren't worth their points

[thin ibex]

Oh? What's their shortfall?

[tepid stratus]

Not enough output compared to most of the other units in the army

[thin ibex]

Ah fair

I figure being able to turn em into a harassment unit, a sprinter, or a better melee unit contextually would be good with their been there done that

Advance and charge seemed neat

[tepid stratus]

Also all individual finecast models so it's expensive and painful to put a unit together

[thin ibex]

Oh yeah nope f that

[tepid stratus]

Better than skryre acolytes. Unit of 5 sold in individual blisters for $25-35 each based on region for metal models over two decades old

[naive abyss]

found a lov script font someone made and tried it out with my logo instead of my hand made one

the old as ref

not sure which i prefer. sorta leaning ot the new one but not one hundred on it

[tepid stratus]

New one is better but it would be perfect if it's lettering ended with overhangs like the strokes of the crest

[naive abyss]

how do you mean?

[tepid stratus]

Like see how each line of the crest ends with overhangs like a T or L?

It'd keep the theming if the lettering of the new font also had those same little overhangs on the outlying strokes

If that makes sense

[naive abyss]

like this?

[naive abyss]

@tepid stratus ?

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/g04ekZ

man this reminds me that space welves would fuck

[jaunty dawn]

oh shit that's awesome

[naive abyss]

ye

ironically i think its just a head swap on the new ranger kit too

cool conversion nonetheless

[jaunty dawn]

that looks awesome

do you know where the head is from?

[unreal cosmos]

yeah that's definitely the Cursed City elf

[lofty warren]

Grand alliance "other"

[tepid stratus]

Yeah like that!

[naive abyss]

like genome said its definitely the head off of qulathis

which is ironically probably my fave modern elf sculpt gw has sans the eldar

and just makes me crave a proper welf faction in aos

[dense sedge]

it's called city of sigmar: the living city

(cries in dark elf behind a mask)

[naive abyss]

i mean the rumors are pointing to umbraneth next

so delfs in aos are likely inbound

while sylvaneth are sorta holding the door closed for welfs lol

random gw new website gripe

theres no way to make wishlists anymore as far as i can tell

[thin ibex]

Umbraneth?

Like the shadow elves from fantasy?

[floral herald]

I gotta say

This is the funniest banner

The contrast of the “welcome to Warhammer” text with the glowering glowing eyes is fucken funny

[thin ibex]

FaceTime with a space marine

"Is this thing on"

"Can you hear me? I can hear you"

[jaunty dawn]

ah ofc ofc. shame it's not a unit to convert a bunch of rangers but would make a dope character