God fucking dammit, i was
#Warhammer and Such
ebon forge
naive abyss
lol
but tbh the face should be the DA
they fit the generla "knight in space" thing the best
which is ultimately in allot of ways what marines are
ebon forge
True, but I think the way they are handled would not fit so well
With the "Our deal is: We have a lot of secrets AND we are knights"
naive abyss
and are also the legion allot of the other legins derived shit from lol
floral herald
I think the Imperial Fists are actually ideal for a general face
naive abyss
fists also definitely work though thats in part how current year fists are lol
floral herald
- fairly generic
- tons of weirdo successors
- knighty
ebon forge
not a lie
I think they kinda tried for a bit, but then defaulted to teh Ultramarines
the blue really pops in the battlefield
floral herald
IFs were never a face but Crimson Fists used to be really high profile
naive abyss
i miss the one time the crimson fists got the spot light
tbh for marines there shouldnt be a face imo
like thats ultimately my real answer lol
ebon forge
I mean
yes
But then what will you do for marketing?
naive abyss
rotate whose on the cover tbh
literally just use different marines
it doesnt always have to be the same color lol
pastel rampart
Crimson Fists got put on the 3e codex, and BT on the 3e rulebook. Ultras didn't have much of a presence at the time; if anything it was a lot of BT or BA (locally anyway)
naive abyss
marines are recognizabel even in different colors
floral herald
Ultras weren’t really the face until 5e imo
ebon forge
Yeah, honestly I was really glad to see a Salamander in the last Warhammer + 3d series
and he was
Precious
naive abyss
like the whole thing of one subfaction of the faction being the "face" use to be way less of a thing
like every chapter use to get books fairly often
same with guard
ebon forge
Sa'kan is baby
naive abyss
hell i still think guard should be the poster faction
since they refuse to coed up marines like with stormcast
junior robin
they should make marines malevolent the poster boys, so people will start questioning if the imperium really are "good guys" 
pastel rampart
Ultras weren’t really the face until 5e imo
4th was where it started I think. Starter set and on the cover of the codex.
floral herald
Yeah it started there for sure but wasn’t as omnipresent imo
naive abyss
like someone posted i think it was a goobertown quote the othe day on that
that its just a bad look for your poster faction to be gender locked
ebon forge
GW would never put the SAlamander as the poster boys cuz they are black smh
naive abyss
and just actively can scare off potential interest in some cases
ebon forge
Yeah, and honestly, the Sororitas is not a good excuse
They are basically nuns that are CRAZY for Big E (male) and extremely obedient to the church, while wearing boob armor and barely taller than a normal marine
like c'mon
naive abyss
they also arent super humans nor a poster faction
ebon forge
The fuckint T'au have that resolved
naive abyss
they share like two attributes with marines lol
ebon forge
Another point to the t'au
naive abyss
like every other imperium faction doesnt have this lol
ebon forge
THEY STILL SHOULD NOT HAD THE FUCKING BOOBA ARMOR
naive abyss
i mean i noted that stormcast are good for this
hell id for a while assumed they werent coed
just due to the poisoned well of marines
ebon forge
Stormcast can even be non humans if they simp for Sigmar enough
naive abyss
and the very obvious sigmarine design of the early stuff
but now the newer ones activley show off coed and are not just fantasy marines
which sold me allot more on them
that and the reforging fault fluff
cuz thats a goldmine for homebrew fluff
cinder wraith
THEY STILL SHOULD NOT HAD THE FUCKING **BOOBA ARMOR**
of course she has blue hair and pronouns (joke)
ebon forge
Skitarii also don't have booba armor
naive abyss
i can sorta live with it with like stormcast
ebon forge
They pronouns just become Beep and Boop
ebon forge
They can have the 2 lost primarchs return and be girls
naive abyss
sorta
ebon forge
yeah
naive abyss
still love this art of yndrasta
ebon forge
Aside from the lack of RATS in AoS, I been liking it a lot
ebon forge
The Skaven lack named characters in AoS i feel
naive abyss
i mean that ill agree
and they also just lack an up to date range
like they still have metal models
ebon forge
yeeeah..
tho as a Ork fan
fucking loving the new AoS models
LOOK AT THE FAT BOI
CHONKY MOTHERFUCKER
naive abyss
my one complaint with them is i dont like the boar riders
pastel rampart
The new orcs rule.
naive abyss
cuz the boar dont look like boars
which is made extra weird with the new very big boar they got
that also looks more like a boar
ebon forge
this ones?
naive abyss
but this is also a bias i have due to adoring those boar boyz you ironically just posted
no
not those
you cant buy those atm lol
ebon forge
tbh, GW always had trouble with fur
ebon forge
you cant buy those atm lol
B̶ ̷U̴ ̷Y̷ ̷?̷ ̴!̶
ebon forge
fair
naive abyss
gore grutnas is what i mean
ebon forge
do you think we will have a new one?
naive abyss
we dont really need a new doomwheel tbh
ebon forge
gore grutnas is what i mean
WHAT ARE THEY FEEDING THEM?!
naive abyss
its plastic and looks great
ebon forge
Fair
junior robin
yeah, the gore gruntas does not look good imo
naive abyss
and its made extra bizarre by the new one
pastel rampart
Doomwheel has always looked good, even the old metal one.
naive abyss
like this looks like a boar and is great
ebon forge
agreed
ebon forge
That's adorable
naive abyss
ironically more mechanically sound lol
junior robin
really wish they would make plastic skaven weapon teams, they could probably even bundle them up as a really wacky warcry gang
naive abyss
same
the weapon teams and jezzails are the big ones for me
but plague monks also really need it
pastel rampart
really wish they would make plastic skaven weapon teams, they could probably eve...
They did!
It was only in the 8th ed starter box
naive abyss
well they made the mortar
and the the warpfire
i dont think it had all of them though
pastel rampart
They never made a plastic ratling gun, yeah
ebon forge
One thing is for certain
the Imperium have too much bloat V:
OH YEAH that also means you can
technically
have a Stormcast Skaven
dense sedge
te skaven line needs a lot of new models
junior robin
more monsters for clan moulder and more stealth units for clan eshin would also be nice
dense sedge
it's genuinly a surrpise that such a popular faction has so much old stuff
junior robin
oh man, imagine like, ninja rat ogres 
pastel rampart
GW has weird priorities when it comes to updating stuff.
It seems like even with popular factions they'll keep producing old sculpts if they like how they look (or just have a ton of leftover stock)
Eldar are a notable example, as they were selling 30 year old sculpts for a looooong time.
ebon forge
Eldar only got new stuff because of Kill Team
naive abyss
i mean i think the new banshees actually predate that trend lol
and theres at least finally been one decent update waver for them lol
guardians are no longer melting
junior robin
its a bit sad that they decided to place "warhammer old world" during a time where skaven was fighting a civil war so they wont be a main army, but even more sad they didnt give us a "skaven civil war" miniature game
naive abyss
well i suspect they are gonna be giving convenient "reasons" for every army that just got whole saled into aos to not come to old world
pastel rampart
TOW just seems like someone's pet project being pushed out already and left to die on the vine.
junior robin
its basically all the good guys except lizardmen VS warriors/beast of chaos, undead and greenskin
naive abyss
the only reason i have any hope with it is the plastic foot knights and thats still a hope im aggressively pinching salt on
junior robin
oh wait, tomb kings, not ALL undead
naive abyss
the first main thing is gonna be bretts vs tk
and like at the very least some of the really nice plastic that just disappeared is gonna hopefully be available again
like the updated tomb guard
who look great imo
ebon forge
I mean
big skelly became god of the dead palce so
He kinda won what he always wanted in AoS
junior robin
oh the money I would hive for a plastic tomb scorpion kit ( though 99% sure it will be FW resin 
)
naive abyss
I mean
big skelly became god of the dead palce so
ngl idk how that relates to anything were saying lol
ebon forge
ADHD attacking sorry
naive abyss
ADHD attacking sorry
no worries
tbh these are still the coolest unit of skeles gw has made
love teh tomb guard
it was always bizarre they just fully stopped tk models
they had just refreshed that range
ebon forge
Oh also, anyone up for a game of Kill Team later?
pastel rampart
Still hope TK return in AoS with Settra riding a chariot straight into Nagash's dome as an intro.
"SETTRA LIVES, BITCH"
junior robin
hope we get a reprint of the plastic forsaken, always wanted a box for chaos conversion but it basically went out of print the same time I tried to buy a box
pastel rampart
Settra was just spending time doing donuts on Nurgle's front lawn before toilet papering Khorne's horns, then giving Tzeentch a wedgie and turning down Slaanesh for a date.
naive abyss
hope we get a reprint of the plastic forsaken, always wanted a box for chaos con...
oh shit ive never seen those
those look good
pastel rampart
Also yeah I'd LOVE to get a Forsaken box, it's weirdly impossible to find those anywhere.
ebon forge
You can try the 40k Chaos Undivided color scheme
naive abyss
lol
thats just the og warriors undivided scheme
like black legion is just classisc undivided warriors in space
down to having a legally distinct archaon
whose model i ironically like mroe due to it not being a horrendously busy model
junior robin
now I want to do iron warriors in AoS, if only chaos had more artillery
ebon forge
Peter turbo just needed a hug
naive abyss
tbh overall aos doenst have a crazy large amount of artillery
junior robin
true, think most of it was in chaos dwarfs who are gone now
pastel rampart
The Hellcannon used to be in WoC and it was great artillery.
ebon forge
sad
jaunty dawn
excited for the belthanos box
army of renown should give me a starting sylvaneth list too
until I get my revenants
jaunty dawn
not sure what flavor of kurnoth to build
magnetising would be ideal but aiui they're not very conducive to that
naive abyss
true, think most of it was in chaos dwarfs who are gone now <:sadcowboy:57282262...
well warhammer fantasy had a decent amount of artillery
aos just doesnt really lol
pastel rampart
I dunno, looking at the sprues it wouldn't be difficult to magnetize them.
jaunty dawn
I think the only war machines that are aos new is the celestar ballista and the skeleboys catapult
and the rest are legacy
oh probably the new freeguild cannon but yeah
naive abyss
pour one out for qulathis lol
naive abyss
shes like probably one of the only reps of old welf aesthetic well ever get anymore lol
jaunty dawn
possible
pastel rampart
naive abyss
like at the least the few newer plastic sculpts old world is gonna bring back are gonna at least be like acquirable again
topaz elk
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy3bxYno1E4/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
She can now burn her enemies to death with blue fire
naive abyss
i just miss the angry celtic murder elf vibes
naive abyss
its a good one
jaunty dawn
there's a metal (-> resin) model I'm interested in showing up again that I've only seen like once on ebay
naive abyss
i think my fave might be qualathis for a single model
the dryads have aged really well imo
the wild riders are also really good
naive abyss
ironically thats why i like qulathis
also cuz i like her antler headdress
also why i preferred this lord model
belthanos would also make a good orion count as with a bit of work
naive abyss
yeah thats a vibe
i dont think ive ever seenthat model
i also like the lady of vines withou her doc oc arms
jaunty dawn
I like lady of vines
naive abyss
i like her core design. just the doc ock arms sorta break up her silhouette in a way im not into
but its pretty easy to not put those on
jaunty dawn
I think it's probably something hard to photograph
naive abyss
shout out to the branchwych thats only in the vanguard box
pastel rampart
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cylcr0mtKH8/ Oooh, so that's how she built it.
jaunty dawn
the treelord model is good but for personal reasons I will never get one dkfdskj
naive abyss
the vines being like big roots shes commanding out of the ground is reallycool to me
jaunty dawn
yeah definitely
naive abyss
i think thats the main frustration for me with sylvaneth
i can see bits and pieces i like quite allot
but then they just in a section of the range just leaned so aggressively hard into the bug thing lol
jaunty dawn
that's how I felt before their most recent release
but that's cause I love the bug and revenant thing
haha
naive abyss
that the faction ends up just being like tree people with bugs
i like the revenants
like weird angry celtic ghosts in wood exoskeleton suits is neat
but like idk
some variety in the animals would be nice
not just how many different bugs can we get
jaunty dawn
I think belthanos adds a lot that the kurnoth hunters were missing to pal up with but more would be neat
naive abyss
like its gotten to the point that they almost feel like fantasy nids to me lol
belthanos ironically in a vacumn i would like
cuz his bug like fits into the like celtic woods vibe pretty well
but im just forever stuck on the everqueen riding a giant rhino beetle
which just feels incorrect to my brain lol
jaunty dawn
I like the giant beetle. kinda want a unit that's just the beetle
naive abyss
like that feels like something i should see a tomb king riding lol
i think thats part of it for me
jaunty dawn
I also like how the bugs are all spirits that just wanna be bugs
naive abyss
the choice in allot of bugs feels very tomb king to me
jaunty dawn
gossamid archers are def my fav unit. uhh actually they share top place with drycha haha
naive abyss
drycha sure is a model
jaunty dawn
I would like to see and I would like to see abt converting more of the hive stuff in other models
lik make it an outcast thing or something
naive abyss
the hive thing is neat. but like man they just kept the womb tat and had to make sure she had titties still lol
naive abyss
belthanos is probably my fave character model theyve done for sylvaneth
jaunty dawn
and the boobs feel like they're just there? hangin out? while the fantasy model feels to me more like What if a TREE had BOOBS
naive abyss
in the old model its at least like dryads in myth seduced
jaunty dawn
and like I like how one of the gossamid archer bodies is just chilling one boobed
naive abyss
to me it just feels weird especially with the size of like the model
its like a fantasy baby carrier feeling almost
jaunty dawn
haha
naive abyss
but yeah i def wanna grab belthanos and just yank him off the bug
maybe put him on a carved with wyrd celtic marks stone with like greenstuffed roots for feet that are liek wrapping/clinging to the stone
rocky shale
The extremely mid LGS near me has a tyranid battleforce box from 2009 still on the shelves wow
jaunty dawn
for sure
naive abyss
i think part of sylvaneth is also they are meant to be like all life tm
but then have like such a bizarre acute animal focus
like belthanos has a deer rune on the bug
which is hilarious but im stuck here like feeling like why not give him a big deer?
jaunty dawn
I feel like it's kinda going for non-mammalian thing
naive abyss
like him standing to a giant like white deer with magic shit going on or etc
jaunty dawn
both cause other factions do that
and cause they're meant to be otherwordly which ofc bugs are a go to touchstone
for aliens and the like
naive abyss
i think like where im at is slaves, cos, and stormcast have more animal variety than the animal faction
if that makes sense
jaunty dawn
idk it definitely works for me but I get that
naive abyss
cuz like id be here for bugs along with other stuff
brittle salmon
Are they the animal faction?
naive abyss
yes
they are explicitly the guardians of life energy tm
like they are the ghyran faction more or less lol
jaunty dawn
I mean I think part of that is sylvaneth bugs n all are all spirits
and like if they protect the animals that live in their woods
they're not gonna put them in battle
naive abyss
i mean sure but why could the spirits not also be other things?
like belthanos getting his own version of like orions hounds who are angry wild riders who remember the old hunts with orion and like came back as like hounds with antlers or something
would be cool and fluffy
naive abyss
same
jaunty dawn
wolves made from trees
jaunty dawn
yeah haha
naive abyss
but like imagine weird like celtic woad marked wolves with antlers
with like glowing blue eyes or some shit
it would reflect them as like spirits of wild riders/kurnothos
jaunty dawn
but it also potentially its like
making room for kurnothi in the future
who from underworlds do have animals and do have the mammal features
naive abyss
i mean i guess if we get a seperate like kurnoth faction sure
but belthanos is a herald of kurnoth
jaunty dawn
just in terms of established aesthetic direction
naive abyss
who from underworlds *do* have animals and *do* have the mammal features
i feel this is again an issue of how the early factions were designed and how just aos faction ranges are just so aggressivley outpaced by aos lore lol
the wild hunt models form underworld are cool though
jaunty dawn
It would be kinda intersting if it shakes out that kurnoth elves end up taking the treeple and sylvaneth became like revenant focused
naive abyss
and ngl more of what id personally want
jaunty dawn
idk if they'd do that
naive abyss
idk
also apologies if im coming off super negativve
cuz im just in such an odd spot with sylvaneth
jaunty dawn
I think they're finding the direction they want to go in for sure
naive abyss
for sure. i think qulathi also sorta rubbed salt in a bit for me
jaunty dawn
just want a qualthis squad
naive abyss
cuz ostensibly something more akin to what im hankering for is out there in the setting
jaunty dawn
warcy warband...
naive abyss
lol yeah
jaunty dawn
that would be awesome
naive abyss
but like what faction would that even be with
jaunty dawn
yeah no it definitely does exist
naive abyss
cuz theyd stick out harshly with sylvaneth
naive abyss
yeah
i think thats one of those things with aos i sorta struggle with
cuz the lore is so all over and moving in all directions. while the ranges like reflect like a fraction of it?
like the chorfs are waging wars
and have one set of models that arent evne dorfs
tbh though id be very into a aos faction thats more qulathi and the underworld wild hunt
on another ntoe give me an updated plastic valkia i beg
shes so cool but her model is melting imo lol
jaunty dawn
oh yeah she's cool
I have no idea what her deal is but she is very cool
hope the chaos spear that was rumour engine'd will be hers
jaunty dawn
validdd
naive abyss
ultimately her like "point" is yeah ok the war god of hell having a valkyrie character is cool
jaunty dawn
what more do you need tbh
naive abyss
id ultimately probably use her for slaves
cuz im not big on the aos khorne faction
probably use her like as a proxy for something else or what have you
naive abyss
cuz slaves are the best for just being coed now with the new warriors models and etc
but yeah a faction of qulathis/wild hunts would be cool
tbh youd even be able to angle them as like destructions elves
elves on that wild hunt grindset
hell itd be cool to get that as like an event with them fighting beastmen
so the goats get some love and it can reflect the sorta just focused on nature above all elese wild hunters
like hell skaeths group want to hunt a mountain
if thats not destruction i dont know what is lol
i do sorta like the idea of making the bugs all ghostly
just like lean real hard into the whole spirit idea
also ngl the welf wildwood rangers are a cool unit
pastel rampart
If I ever did a whole bunch of treemen I'd probably paint them up as cherry blossom trees, complete with pink flock.
Well, pink with a hint of magenta for color variations.
dense sedge
Man Freeguilds have stuff that makes me want to impulse purchase
But I still haven’t touched my gsc in a month
naive abyss
looking at the new stormcast on dragon
good news is it seems that the rider legs are not modeled on
pastel rampart
GW is usually pretty good about dragons having the rider be separate.
pastel rampart
Hey if I found it for cheap I'd do the same.
I do want to eventually make a chaos lord on chaos dragon cuz that's just, y'know, peak chaos.
naive abyss
def
pastel rampart
I accept that it'd be a lot of sculpting on my part if I want to go the traditional two-headed dragon.
A proper chaos dragon looks like it's been lightly deep-fried.
pastel rampart
https://dantheclayman.artstation.com/projects/XBNARa Sucks you can't get this anymore
unreal cosmos
that's a big fucking wing lol
pastel rampart
Oh it's huge
ebon forge
Would be a interesting idea, also the DRIP
dense sedge
it'd be a masterfull propaganda move, which means it makes sense for the Tau
soft willow
Undefeated and first in my FLGS’s Warhammer event today. Imperial Knights still got it.
thin ibex
zinc field
Undefeated and first in my FLGS’s Warhammer event today. Imperial Knights still ...
happy warhorn noises
what was the list?
soft willow
Castellan with Mysterious Guardian
3 Helverins
6 Warglaives
Voidsmen at Arms
unreal cosmos
Would be a interesting idea, also the DRIP
in my head this could be best as like, a specific named guy
or sequence of guys wearing the same suit, lol
brittle salmon
Anvil Siege Force
Captain in Gravis Armour
Fleet Commander
95
Intercessor Squad x5 (Power Fist, Astartes Grenade Launcher)
Drop Pod
155
Intercessor Squad x5 (Power Fist, Astartes Grenade Launcher)
Drop Pod
155
Heavy Intercessors x5 (Heavy Bolter)
105
Heavy Intercessors x5 (Heavy Bolter)
105
Suppressor Squad
85
Gladiator Lancer (Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Icarus Rocket Pod)
160
Ballistus Dreadnought
140
1000```Whipped up a quick Anvil list because I like em
And it's on the dot 1k which is very pleasing
Intercessors drop pod in and secure the forward objectives, then the Heavy Intercessors run forward to plant their feet and hold forever
brittle salmon
Hmmm I can make room for a Repulsor if I cut the Ballistus + Suppressors
That thing is a real brick shithouse and uses Battle Drill Recall incredibly well
mental birch
Won a small tourney
Game 1: not great Blood Angels.
Game 2: decent nids.
Game 3: Ironstorm with a bunch of dreads
Beat Game 3 and was very funny
My opponent did nothing for 4 turns
And I won off the back of that
mental birch
Nothing?
Well he did kill 80% of my army
But doing that I locked him in his deployment zone
brittle salmon
rip
mental birch
He scored 0 primary
unreal cosmos
"I'm bleeding, making me the victor"
unreal cosmos
I'm very curious about the next wave of Necron models, idk if we'll see more new units or refreshes
I feel like 'crons are one of those ranges that ages better just by virtue of not being conventionally humanoid
desert jay
But doing that I locked him in his deployment zone
Ah, the “I cannot kill them fast enough” problem
I shudder to think how he’d do against GSC or infantry Guard or gaunt Nids
soft willow
This is pretty much the reason my Castellan had Mysterious Guardian for my event yesterday, just gotta be able to reposition sometimes.
unreal cosmos
he's got all three of his legion color palettes in there
upper canopy
Apparently the national dress of Georgia just has
rifle rounds on a bandolier across the chest
which is pretty fucking sick
runic swallow
As one does
unreal cosmos
oooh that's neat, some cool examples through the links too
naive abyss
lol yeah
i only somewhat knew about this off hand due to being obsessed with cossack sabers
its my favourite kind of sword
that and finding sword dancing a great mix of historical, vaguely usable, and impractical
which extend out to me forever mourning the sheer lack of saber duels in media
the deluge duel forever lives in a portion of my brain lol
cw for a bit of gore
runic swallow
To be fair that’s kinda a bandolier in function, if before the original ones were made
Just for power and shot instead of a cartridge
naive abyss
i mean both existed at the same time more or less
and like sure it serves a similar function but its still a distinct thing
runic swallow
Huh, I’d thought bandoliers only came around with cartridges
naive abyss
i mean gazyr serve similar functions
they more or less held paper cartridges or loading tubes
runic swallow
Oh wait looking at this more were they sewn on clothing and not slung around the shoulder?
naive abyss
depends on the gazyr
they were usually attached to the uniforms later on
as like part of the clothing
runic swallow
Ah
thin ibex
hey polish saber is a tradition carried on today in some hema circles! its a very aggressive style of saber fencing from videos i saw
thin ibex
Blood & Iron up in Vancouver and the Phoenix society in AZ both teach it iirc, had the opp to meet richard marsden at a competition
pulsar cairn
the guys here apprently 3d print a lot of stuff
which makes sense....you have to order stuff from outside the country if you want a mini like at all
thin ibex
storm schooner
Aint that that one planet
past sphinx
which makes sense....you have to order stuff from outside the country if you wan...
Fox your in the southern hemisphere right?
pulsar cairn
yeh
elder rivet
Anyone planning on playing maledictum
thin ibex
i have it, havent run it
past sphinx
Anyone planning on playing maledictum
I'd love to but I'd like to see a published adventure to get a feel for the designers intentions
mental birch
I shudder to think how he’d do against GSC or infantry Guard or gaunt Nids
Huh?
Oh his list was 3 dreadnought in ironstorm
And I just stood in front of him
Since the movement ohas3 is before the shooting phase
Hahaa
desert jay
Other lists that can be hard to clear off objectives just in bulk
mental birch
Not sure ironstorm is very killy
I think he built with the expectation of facing
Skew armies that lean towards killing?
elder rivet
i have it, havent run it
How are the rules
mental birch
And my lots of small units ehhh at killing army kinda just
sly abyss
Hey, how tall are the current Crisis Suit sculpts? Lots of kitbashes on image search, which is fun, but not helping me decide Something for a Project
sly abyss
alright, seems like I had the right idea from poking around in an image editor. thanks.
solemn gull
lofty warren
its been two since TTS got squatted
upper canopy
And I've been working for Alfa for almost 10 c:
lofty warren
Wait what
pulsar cairn
it me
quaint compass
Oh, to be gainfully employed by a þitanic swedish man 😔
quaint compass
Serfdom 😌
naive abyss
this art is a vibe
unreal cosmos
I love that model's fuckin liefeld gun
we have a new miniature for an upcoming Warhammer 40,000 codex to reveal
junior robin
probably another updated necron character
but fingers crossed for new mechanicus robot
unreal cosmos
the language of the previews implied to me that Devisive Sniper was the only new model they were getting this time round
but it's not impossible
they could also start teasing the other scheduled stuff way further in advance
jaunty dawn
definitely more necrons and unlikely more mechanicus
sour sequoia
Noble kit Noble kit Noble kit please god
pastel rampart
floral herald
The precarious lean is goood for this model
jaunty dawn
love that army
past sphinx
I love that model's fuckin liefeld gun
Like rob liefield?
past sphinx
this art is a vibe
Come to munda we have the best weirdos and cool rules
unreal cosmos
Like rob liefield?
yeah
past sphinx
Quality weirdo
jagged dawn
dense sedge
despite not being huge on the chaos space marines as a whole, the accursed cultists and the dark commune are some of my favorite things in all of 40k, I wish gsc had more stuff like that
jaunty dawn
feel like gsc need a ogryn sized thing
dense sedge
yeah we need some more body horro
brittle salmon
Aberrants are basicallyyyy that
jaunty dawn
nah they're way too small
dense sedge
aberrants are surprisingly small
jaunty dawn
even the abominant only gets a 40 mil base cause he has a buddy
pastel rampart
It's almost all of them.
I'm missing body 4, the champion, the banner bearer top and the musicians arms but also like...so what lmao
That's damn near all of them. I'm happy.
soft willow
Blood for the blood god! Skulls for the skull throne! Everything must go!
Glad you got a deal.
brittle salmon
Anvil Siege Force
Captain in Gravis Armour
Fleet Commander
95
Intercessor Squad x5 (Power Fist, Astartes Grenade Launcher)
Drop Pod
155
Intercessor Squad x5 (Power Fist, Astartes Grenade Launcher)
Drop Pod
155
Heavy Intercessors x5 (Heavy Bolter)
105
Heavy Intercessors x5 (Heavy Bolter)
105
Suppressor Squad
85
Gladiator Lancer (Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Icarus Rocket Pod)
160
Ballistus Dreadnought
140
1000```
Made a quick 1k Anvil Siege Force list - intercessors drop pod in and get sticky objective control while Heavies run forward to plant their feet and not dieLancer and Dread bring anti-tank, the Lancer in particular is gross with the Detachment ability
Thinking of cutting the Suppressors to get upgrades elsewhere; if my plan is to get the Heavies to secure objectives I can probably upgrade the regular Intercessors to Sternguard, or something
Since Drop Pods have an OC score, hehe
thin ibex
sternguard might be worth
the main value of intercessors aside from the str 9 nade launcher and power weapon is sticky obs tho
brittle salmon
yeah
which is good, mind, but I have pseudo-sticky objectives if I bring the pods down on midfield objectives turn 1
Opponent will need to blow firepower on killing them if they want the objective back
The idea is to get the Heavy Intercessors on there before they can do that
thin ibex
i like it
theres no real way
to efficiently deal with heavy intercessors
so they're great sticks in the mud
and getting +1 to wound on the heavy bolt rifles is juicy
brittle salmon
Yeah especially since they're already S5
So on a lot of infantry they're wounding on 2s
thin ibex
I do think that how you have it is fairly versatile, though I'd almost be tempted to bring assault intercessors for a mid board scrum
upper canopy
Today in WHF
The party managed to beat a beast of nurgle!
And a couple of nurglings
upper canopy
Huh
This art of Valmir von Raukov makes him look very Mongolian
Which makes sense cuz of the geneology of the North-Eastern Empire
but it's really neat
ALSO
HAPPEE
quaint compass
brittle salmon
I do think that how you have it is fairly versatile, though I'd almost be tempt...
In the Drop Pods you reckon? Or replacing the Suppressors?
thin ibex
In the Drop Pods you reckon? Or replacing the Suppressors?
hmmm, they can charge out of the pod right?
brittle salmon
no
thin ibex
hmm
im a fan of the suppressors cause str 8 shooting on 2+ with +1 to wound
is sexy
but i wonder about not having any melee/midboard scrummers
brittle salmon
yeah, hm
I've actually gone and replaced the Gravis Cap with Iron Father Feirros
Since he's identical points but is a brick shithouse in both ranged and melee
One kinda wild thought I had was replacing the Suppresors and the Dread with a Repulsor
Which can hike Feirros into the fight and has one million guns to kill dudes with
It shreds at shorter ranges
brittle salmon
Yeah, it also synergizes well with Feirros
Since he can heal it + he'll be near it by default
thin ibex
also honestly the repulsor is kinda sick
repulsor exec or the repulsor normal?
too bad it's not named the Above-Land Raider
brittle salmon
Lmao
Would have to be the standard Repulsor to carry the Heavies unfortunately
Since Gravis take 2x the space and the Exe's capacity is 6
thin ibex
oh right right
i suppose the other questions to consider "by what turn do my main shooters need to be stationary. Hopefully at least 1 squad will be in position turn 1, then the other by turn 2
brittle salmon
Yeah the Lancer is really a big lynchpin here
While stationary its hit and wound rates are fucked
thin ibex
yeah the dev wounds on the onslaught make it actually pretty able to double duty
brittle salmon
Repulsor also has gross synergy with the Battle Line Drill strat
Which gives Sustained Hits 1 and 5+ crit hits if they remain stationary
thin ibex
oh snap
so if you get in a dominant position by turn 2 or 3 it competes pretty hard with the lancer as a top tier target
thin ibex
getting your enemy to overinvest on the lancer or repulsor is a great way to spell their doom
your biggest weakness is if they have enough high intensity melee troops to tie up your more static/backline objectives, like a backline melee drop troop
brittle salmon
Yeau that's a bit scary
thin ibex
even though its a weakness, heavy intercessors have a habit of being able to weather a storm
brittle salmon
I do have a CP that's an end of fight phase Fall Back
As long as I end the move within objective range or my deployment
floral herald
I gotta admit, this is a pretty unexpected new model for orks
brittle salmon
So I can bail out of melee and shoot if I need to
brittle salmon
I gotta admit, this is a pretty unexpected new model for orks
lmao
thin ibex
i think the other concern is other top tier anti armor popping your vehicles early on or trading well
brittle salmon
Yeah I'm not sure what to do about that
thin ibex
but thats a pretty normal concern
not a lot tbh, jut being aware that its possible
possibly staying aware of LoS angles
deployment can help
brittle salmon
True!
thin ibex
i suppose always just being prepared with a plan b or c if certain tools just get zoinked
mental birch
your biggest weakness is if they have enough high intensity melee troops to tie ...
I mean usually I take my crisis team and breacherfish intercessor hunting anyway
thin ibex
breacherfish still be wounding heavy intercessors on a 5 dont they?
mental birch
breacherfish still be wounding heavy intercessors on a 5 dont they?
breacherfish are very funny at bullying infantry off objectives ahahah
brittle salmon
@thin ibex okay, better idea than the pods - Infiltrator squads are 55 points cheaper and do basically the same thing while not relying on me getting first turn
thin ibex
do incursors forward deply too?
thin ibex
ahh nvm
incursors have the benefit of handing out free rr1's on hits
which is nice for your non oath targets
brittle salmon
That is true
uneven ember
brittle salmon
infils also help stop deepstrikers
I think what I do with the spare points is buy a unit of Sternguard and put them in a Repulsor Executioner
Put the heavy laser destroyer on that
Which is a comedic weapon
thin ibex
Hellblasters do work amazingly well with anvil imo
pulsar cairn
like Raven guard has an easier time being sneaky cause of their geneseed
and i think Alpha legion has something similar
cause Kurze could see the future but I don't think his sons had any of that
do some marines just don't really get anything extra besides looking similar to their primarch? 
brittle salmon
The amazing exploding shooting Impulsor
kaboom
tall depot
cause Kurze could see the future but I don't think his sons had any of that
iirc some of them can see the future but not all of them
onyx elm
Surprised there aren't more Aldari focused video games out there.
At least from what I've seen.
dense sedge
I wish that thousand sons had acces to dark commune and accursed cultists
those two are some of the coolest sets in all of 40k to me, yet the rest of the csm line doesn't appeal ot me, in contrast the thousand sons have my favorite lore in all of 40k
thin ibex
Generally most 40k games are space marine, I think we have 1 chaos knight game, 1 tau game, 2 battlefleet Gothic games, 1 or 2 ork games
I dunno if we have any aeldari games off the top of my head
dense sedge
there's a chaos knight game?
thin ibex
Oh not chaos knight, you're right, imperial knight
Oh we also have a hive gang solo game, an inquisitorial henchman game, and a titan game
No games yet that are nid or necron focused
dense sedge
a gsc game would be great
thin ibex
Oh we have a Mechanicus game too
I've not been googling we may have more
I know it's old now, but what are the books covering the resurrection of guilliman and his duel with agron and mortarion where he dies and gets resurrected?
junior summit
I've not been googling we may have more
there's a decent pile of ork games
though some of them are mediocre mobile spin-offs
brittle salmon
@thin ibex
Redid the list with the changes I was talking about
Anvil Siege Force
Apothecary
Architect of War (Attaches to Hellblasters)
75
Infiltrator Squad x5
100
Infiltrator Squad x5
100
Heavy Intercessors x5 (Heavy Bolter)
105
Heavy Intercessors x5 (Heavy Bolter)
105
Hellblaster Squad x5 (in Repulsor Executioner)
125
Gladiator Lancer (Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Icarus Rocket Pod)
160
Repulsor Executioner (Heavy Laser Destroyer, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Icarus Rocket Pod)
220
990```But we already have Metal Gear Rising
thin ibex
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Redid the list with the changes I was talking about
```S...
Feels solid to me, as far as an sm list. Apoc is the Warlord?
thin ibex
let us know how it plays/feels too
thin ibex
man i feel like the laser lance on aeldari should be str 5 rather than str 4
naive abyss
I'm glad the rats have rules lol
It also reminds me I wanna get those underworld plague monks
jaunty dawn
oh interesting
hexbane's hunters are getting their own faction
Kinda makes sense with the current state of cities of sigmar
pulsar cairn
rats rats we are the rats
floral herald
Ok this is pretty sick
floral herald
New overlord
thin ibex
yoo
floral herald
naive abyss
thin ibex
homebow is looking awesome
naive abyss
Ok this is pretty sick
That model fucks Ngl
floral herald
It’s so weird I love it
naive abyss
And it being weirdly shifting in fits my homebrew lady overlord really well Ngl
thin ibex
imagine this mf just like, appears in the tomb world
amongst your archaeological team
you've delved too deep
i kinda wanna play some necron
hmm
lists for today maybe necron 1k lists
naive abyss
Like I'd just need to give her an extra gubbins and a weirder head and it'd be spot on for my black phaerakh
thin ibex
oh q for necron players
is the tachyon arrow worth?
its one shot but its a pretty gnarly shot
naive abyss
Also Ngl it's funny to me that this model has like more going on than the named character one they showed lol
jaunty dawn
pff
unreal cosmos
overlords are getting the SM captain treatment and I respect it
thin ibex
man, objectively, arent overlords like way... more than a captain?
at least insofar as lore wise
a lord is closer to a captain perhaps, as far as actualy rank and station?
Cause its 1 overlord for an entire dynasty isnt it?
jaunty dawn
yup
jaunty dawn
the game only has a future its not out yet
you can't talk about the past or present gfsdfghj
naive abyss
I'm not sure if that is directed at me or the article lol
Good art in there though
out here having a bad time lol
dense sedge
classic warhammer art is great
naive abyss
Well this is new art I believe but it's definitely aiming for that feeling lol
dense sedge
I'm sure I've seen this one before
naive abyss
Just have some of your guys getting acid puked on them and having a horrible time is peak oldhammer lol
naive abyss
I'm sure I've seen this one before
It's possible. They're using a mix of old and new art I think
Yeah the troll one seems to be old
But there is some new art that I know lol
lofty warren
It’s so weird I love it
I love mid action poses like this
long void
I've seen that troll art back in a ~2003 issue of white dwarf.
Probably when they showed off some new models of that time.
pastel rampart
Yeah that's old art. Think it was made around when 6th ed was new.
tired cairn
thin ibex
Yeah that's old art. Think it was made around when 6th ed was new.
so what your'e saying its new old art that was new once
unreal cosmos
man, objectively, arent overlords like way... more than a captain?
Honestly thanks for asking because I wasn't sure myself, I thought Phaerons were the dynasty rulers
But as for my post I meant in terms of being leaders with a several different kits
thin ibex
i always thought a phaeron was an overlord? my knowledge is not deep i should say
maybe its an all phaerons are overlords but not all overlords are phaerons?
unreal cosmos
That could be it
Also I just realized someone is going to caption the new mini with "JUST PHASE OUT you can leave!!!"
thin ibex
i admit
i was jazzed
by their preview of the other detachment
and monoliths
monoliths are like core identity to me
brittle salmon
Do necrons still have that "if you kill 75% of them the rest go home" rule?
No that's been dead forever
lofty warren
Lame
brittle salmon
by their preview of the other detachment
Where's that preview?
thin ibex
Where's that preview?
The Awakened Dynasty returns from the Index, and is still the perfect way to run a silver tide of Necron Warriors that your enemy just cannot put down. More esoteric forms of warfare are enabled by the Hypercrypt Legion, which lets Necron units hyperphase into Strategic Reserves at the end of the enemy turn. Bring along a Monolith or two to make use of their Eternity Gates to return units, and trigger powerful Stratagems like Hyperphasic Recall.
floral herald
Lame
No its a good change
That rule sucked ass
It was 75% of models not points
So you could just whack the necron warriors and the Nightbringer would just be like "ok ggs, bye"
lofty warren
Also lame
sour sequoia
its one shot but its a pretty gnarly shot
Currently its extremely far from worth it based on how vehicles and damage works
sour sequoia
Tachyon arrows kinda sit like a Named Character Tax because none of those guys carry res orbs
thin ibex
Oh sry
Thought we were on monoliths, but clearly I was just preoccupied thinking about monoliths
sour sequoia
Monoliths fucking rip
thin ibex
I apologize
sour sequoia
You’re gucci lol this given thread typically has the consistency of goldfish brain
thin ibex
But hmm OK so going all in on melee or taking the staff off light is the safer choices
sour sequoia
I dunno if the detachment is really gonna make double monolith worth but just 1 is still phenomenal even rn
thin ibex
I guess the core idea would be to like make your guys disappear from bad situations and being em back on the monolith
Bring*
sour sequoia
It already can do that, the 2CP is letting you do it at other stages which is solid
thin ibex
With the hypercrypt guys
sour sequoia
One of the best tricks is warping warriors out of melee
thin ibex
Seems like it'll be the reposition shenanigans Detachment, will likely not have much power but will offer tactics
naive abyss
Ngl the new overlord is other than szeras may be my fave cron character model I think
Or at least competing with the skorpekh Lord
naive abyss
I just love the pose
And they have res orb which vibe
It's also sparked the idea of with my homebrew dynasty the tomb world is like trapped in a sub dimension
And have to phase out of it to act on the greater universe and etc
lofty warren
Sounds like the kind of folks who would use a lot of deathmarks
naive abyss
Like maybe trapped in an isolated part of the webway
Cuz the idea is the eldar built on top of them and then the fall led to the planet being tucked away into the webway. Now iybraesil have come back to recover soul stones and etc
Cue the classic fight
naive abyss
man i would get inspiration for cron fluff finally when im dead tired lol
unreal cosmos
has someone pitched a necron tower defense video game yet
naive abyss
tbh a necron like dungeon keeper game would be cool
itd make borderline no sense in fluff really but still
soft willow
itd make borderline no sense in fluff really but still
You play as a newly awakened seneschal of Trayzen the Infinite, and have to curate a new wing of his museum.
naive abyss
lol
soft willow
Oh no the other factions are invading! Keep them out before Trayzen notices, and add to his collection if you can!
pastel rampart
itd make borderline no sense in fluff really but still
Trazyn.
When all else fails, blame him.
pine matrix
Necron Bloons, you're protecting your Tomb World from Mechanicus inflitrators
naive abyss
lol
tbh i am bit bummed trazyn seemingly isnt getting a new model same with orikan
the new overlord is really cool though
and is literally what has got my brain going for some actually fluff for my crons lol
pastel rampart
Oh I dunno I think the Trazyn model is still good--oh it's resin, nevermind.
naive abyss
lol
yeah id not mind if they werent both like finecast
cuz crons got their first newish wave during the tyranny of the cast
pastel rampart
I don't think he even got a metal version
naive abyss
well he was a newer character
i think
like he was made alongside the refresh
cuz before that it was basically imotekh and silent king
and the ctan
pastel rampart
Yeah before 5th, 'crons didn't have special characters aside from the c'tan.
soft willow
Even Imotekh and the Silent King were newer.
pastel rampart
You had c'tan and necron lord and that was it.
soft willow
3rd introduced the c'tan, before that it was just spoopy space skeletons with their totally not Khemri lord.
pastel rampart
Yeah.
Their list was suuuuuper tiny at the time too. Lord, destroyers, immortals, warriors, and scarabs. And scarabs were single little beetle models with no bases.
They ran up to things and exploded!
naive abyss
lol
storm schooner
Scarabs run up to things and explode now too
pastel rampart
Yeah but that was their specific role as roving meltabombs instead of swarm bases.
floral herald
Their list was suuuuuper tiny at the time too. Lord, destroyers, immortals, warr...
Which edition do you mean?
pastel rampart
Veeeeery early 3rd.
They had a WD army list.
Aside from the necron lord this was your army. Period. No transports or nothin'.
floral herald
Oh yeahhh
pastel rampart
They count, since they had an army list (albeit very small and not that good)
lofty warren
Did they get a gorkamorka list?
floral herald
Tbf their 3rd ed book was real small roster wise too
lofty warren
I know gorkamorka implied they were on planet
floral herald
Ofc their codex was basically the above plus the monolith, ctan (2 of them), flayed ones, heavy destroyers, and pariahs
Iirc
pastel rampart
Yeah, just those.
So it wasn't a big list but somewhat in line for 40k armies at the time.
floral herald
A friend of mine played necrons at the time so I have a lot of experience with that era haha
They were imo, one of the least interesting armies to play against at the time
pastel rampart
It was a bad era to be and play against necrons because it was the same army, every time.
lofty warren
The monolith is the same model from third, right?
naive abyss
no lol
past sphinx
necrons are an army that have grown infintely more interesting over time
pastel rampart
Oh god no, it's a big improvement
naive abyss
it was updated with the refresh that included szeras
pastel rampart
OG monolith was the worst thing to assemble.
pastel rampart
"Oh it's just a box" yeah with no internal structure so good luck making everything line up.
Rubber band and pray it glues properly.
floral herald
floral herald
It looked like that but also literally everyone I know who had one used rubber bands or blu-tac to hold it together for games
naive abyss
dumb green clear plastic and all
in fairness it more or les still looks like that lol
naive abyss
i liked the clear plastic but agree with the change as well
pastel rampart
naive abyss
like new one is very much the same dna but more detailed and weird tbh
lofty warren
Necrons seem to get the bulk of cool molded effects in 40k, huh
pastel rampart
New one looks way easier to assemble too.
past sphinx
floral herald
Hahaha
naive abyss
Necrons seem to get the bulk of cool molded effects in 40k, huh
i mean they are the faction who part of their schtick is just materializing
lofty warren
The new lord warping in, the void dragon, the gate on the monolith, the guy getting dematerialized
lofty warren
i mean they are the faction who part of their schtick is just materializing
True, but still interesting
naive abyss
tbh the new overlord reminded me how much thats their schtick
naive abyss
and ive now very enamored with the idea of my dynasty having gotten trapped in a pocket dimension the crons were using to trap something
and as like the crons still slumbered said something like slowly took over the tomb complex
lofty warren
Reminds me of the box art for like, tank model kits
It has that same kind of artistic style. Dont know the name for it
naive abyss
and like they are still trapped in that lil void space but can get out of it via weird cron tech to just do weird shit
past sphinx
It has that same kind of artistic style. Dont know the name for it
its weird that i know exactly what your talking about and no idea how to describe it
like the specific ass model tank kit look
unreal cosmos
the look of city fight cadians fucks pretty hard
the cool grey-blue camo with the splash of red is just mmmwah
lofty warren
Same
past sphinx
seeing these in a general store 15 odd years ago is what got me into this hobby
floral herald
It's probably the same guy
I was thinking that but there’s more than one artist for these at a glance
past sphinx
boy i sure would love if gw credited their artists
lofty warren
Maybe its materials?
lofty warren
*boy i sure would love if gw credited their artists*
If only...
past sphinx
Maybe its materials?
wdym?
floral herald
I think a lot of those style are oil paintings
lofty warren
Like the same medium/materials are used for the art
floral herald
It’s relatively common for “battle art”
lofty warren
Yeah
pastel rampart
There's the fantasy equivalent of "wizard van art" so this is sort of the WW2/40k equivalent
lofty warren
Tank box art
unreal cosmos
real good ruinstorm daemon
spice flicker
Hmmm... how to build the skaven in stellaris?
long void
Hmmm... how to build the skaven in stellaris?
do you have the toxoids pack?
You could go with the extreme gene modding civic origin?
spice flicker
Clan molder and pestilence no?
long void
The overclocked traits also give huge bonuses at the cost of lifespan.
That'll match the nature of skaven lords gloriously burning out.
spice flicker
Oligarchy for council or theocratic dictatorship due to GHR?
long void
Probably Oligarchy.
GHR doesn't step in unless the council is really messing up.
heck, i think it made that big pillar of contradictory commandments specifically so it doesn't have to directly lead
spice flicker
Any suggestions for origin besides subterranean?
unreal cosmos
Megacorp
spice flicker
Oh?
upper canopy
I would say Toxoids probably fit really well to showcase Skaven Corruption
long void
ah yeah, megacorps can make branch offices in other territories
unreal cosmos
Plus it fits their goofy "oppressed masses all convinced they can scheme their way to the top of the heap" thing
I've seen them described as a libertarian caricature
long void
Literal definition of the Rat Race
spice flicker
Traits? And I couldn't find overclocked in traits
upper canopy
Pop Growth trait obv
unreal cosmos
he's literally a god
spice flicker
Minimize age length, maximize pop growth, and what else?
quaint compass
good science imo
past sphinx
he hit the last god with a hammer
upper canopy
dude just wandered away at some point, became a god, and then got locked in a comet by Tzeentch
unreal cosmos
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmIMx5tW0AAXk8w.jpg I really like this version of the Razorback with the turret gunner
thin ibex
dang used to have a whole ass person up there
jaunty dawn
lascannon//dual plasma gun 😌
unreal cosmos
I'm gonna take a position opposite to the Brother Tinnitus Complaint and say that all Astartes vehicles could benefit from something like this to like, sell you on "this is a tank the giant supersoldiers use"
also yeah that's a fuckin loadout
unreal cosmos
that is p. dope
thin ibex
Huh so the plasma slowly just went away
jaunty dawn
basically
the plastic one was just heavy bolter or lascannon so now that's all we get
thin ibex
I'm actually more surprised it's not like an autocannon+storm bolter
jaunty dawn
there was also a multi melta one from fw
which mentions needing power feed issues to be resolved to be developed
which is funny cause the immolator was just hanging out with two of them I guess sdjkfhj
unreal cosmos
https://puppetswar.eu/big-momma-attachment.html speaking of vehicle variants, think this would fit on a plastic spartan? guess it's hard to say from just the picture
jaunty dawn
I thinkkk so
yeah actually spartan is just a touch over 6cm between the tracks
take some work but make a pretty nice typhon
unreal cosmos
I've been thinking about my 30k gameplan and I was like "I can sell the AoD Spartan and buy a Typhon... hey waitaminute"