Warhammer and Such

[naive abyss]

but well see

[lofty warren]

Same with cathay

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1715926890664308787?t=JtNJpfHf3B35rlyQIZFUqg&s=19

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1715356519330435272?t=Hjp-2FLgBa25lv4vFL7TYg&s=19

I forgot about this character lol

[lofty warren]

I love the one heads become two of chaos dragons

[pastel rampart]

Always wanted a Galrauch model but, alas.

It's stupidly expensive.

[mental birch]

Issue with that is that the current GW terrain kinda makes it easy to just not be seen

[unreal cosmos]

pov your opponent has succumbed to the meta

[naive abyss]

Lol

[pulsar cairn]

poor Rylanor

oh wait Istvan III is the dropsite massacre right?

[upper canopy]

Yeah

[cinder wraith]

my wip for a paint comp

[pulsar cairn]

he long

who he

[cinder wraith]

i made him the fuck up

hanzur

[upper canopy]

I thought that guy on the base was a baddie about to shoot a rifle directly into this guy's bepis

[onyx elm]

Yeah, I can see why the Guard doesn't like working with Mechanicus military. It's like that guy in Iron Man 3.
"You know what? I quit. I hate working here. Everybody's so weird."

[pulsar cairn]

more like Legzur

[unreal cosmos]

Casually strides over your fortifications

[cinder wraith]

[tired cairn]

... Why did I think the Legion of the Damned were misc chaos people and not mysterious imperium aligned space marines

[onyx elm]

Inspires and entire Ork warband. Rise in Ork deaths due to, "falling from great height."

[floral herald]

They do look pretty chaosy

[unreal cosmos]

Also they're called the Legion of the Damned

[tired cairn]

Did the chaos imperium guard have a faction name/codex at some point?

"traitor guard", duh

[unreal cosmos]

The Lost and the Damned was a codex

I believe

[tired cairn]

That's what I was thinking of

I guess the Legion of the Damned might be damned, but they are not lost

[mental birch]

Literally knly one box of models 😦

[thin ibex]

i mean, legion of the damned can accurately be depicted by making your normal space marine models black with flame decals all over em

[pulsar cairn]

do the flames make them go faster?

[uneven ember]

I want to say it was an army list in the Codex: Eye of Terror campaign book, not even a codex proper of their own.

[pastel rampart]

Well, an army list in the Eye of Terror boox in 3e. And I think imperial armour vol 13.

They've never gotten their own stand-alone codex.

[unreal cosmos]

Aahh

[pastel rampart]

And yeah, updated list in IA 13.

http://puu.sh/JSRwn/64b5db1b9d.jpg

haha fuck

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/eBIiC9QJzt6QVCh0.jpg the codex nerd in me is very tickled by the fact that this could be used to represent a company's entire Close Support section

[thin ibex]

im a fan of the new assauly intercessors

did normal assaul marines vanish with the new dex? haven't checked

[jaunty dawn]

ye

[thin ibex]

I figure though that you'd run old tac assault marines as assault intercessors just fine

[jaunty dawn]

no bforce for me this year

although I thought that last year and then was a secret surprise csm one like a month late xP

[junior robin]

LoV is a little for me, but I still have not figured out a good way to convert them into chaos votann with the limited units available...

still hoping for that wave 2

[thin ibex]

It's weird that if you bring the atv with outriders, does it keep its special shootback rule or only if you bring an atv by itself?

[spice flicker]

Chaos votann?

[junior robin]

they repaired their ancestor core with tech infected by scrap code and are now slaves to chaos through the machines

not really got further then my Einhyr Champion

[jaunty dawn]

oooh

I think that's a cloak but it made me realise that i want leagues elite jump infantry based on valkyries

[junior robin]

it is indeed a cloak, from the death guard kit.

really wish they had a nice big centerpiece model to really corrupt

[soft willow]

Maybe in the name, but I expect them to have jump packs like the Salvager if they happen, rather than cool wings and cloaks.

[jaunty dawn]

why not boooth

hehe but true

einhyr reminds me of the einherjar

[soft willow]

Yeah they're definately doing some very norse and celtic vibes with some of the theming of the Votann.

Grimnyr having two Corvs is another nod of course.

Which also is funny because Grimnyr can't join Einhyr.

[junior robin]

they really should give us a leader on a 8 legged robot horse

[soft willow]

Some Forge Master saw the Lord Solar's robot horse and was like, nah we can do better.

[thin ibex]

make it a horse, but replace its legs with those stilts from the new skitarii unit

[jaunty dawn]

strandbeest can have 8 legs 🤔

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wholesome40k/comments/dxetlu/from_tragedy_to_wholesome/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

It's much sadder when you see the og posting date lol

[naive abyss]

Tbh I like how little reserved the votann are in some ways

A good balance of the cultural influence and like aggressive dorf pragmatism

[jaunty dawn]

yeah I agree

but a spider tank or more industrial looking things based on Sleipnir would be cool

[thin ibex]

i wonder if chaos kin would be more ostentatious

[upper canopy]

ofc they would

its chaos

[jaunty dawn]

I love the idea that a votann gets corrupted and then the kin are like still the pragmatic thinkers they were before and don't really super notice they're falling to chaos

they're like uh, why is the votann telling us to put spikes everywhere? what purpose does that serve?

[thin ibex]

oh i just more mean like... a dark twist on votann would be [insert here?]

[jaunty dawn]

I dunno, must do something

[thin ibex]

well, a dark twist as well as like a perversion of their values right?

whats the opposite of pragmatism and whats the opposite of stoicism?

i guess of course also chaos kin would be strongly individualist

[floral herald]

I think an interesting direction to go would be inverting the materialism

The “normal” reason the leagues go to war is basically to take people’s minerals or similar

But the chaos ones might be steeped in omens or signs and enter conflict for inscrutable ritualistic reasons

[thin ibex]

i just mentally chuckled at "slaanesh devoted kin" = "slightly faster"

[jaunty dawn]

they just roll everywhere

[spice flicker]

Well the chaos dwarves in fantasy were more spiritual and faithful to their God than the regular dwarves were to their pantheon no?

[floral herald]

No idea I don't follow whf

Very closely at all

[thin ibex]

regular dwarves practiced a great deal of ancstor worship in fantasy, it just so happens that the ancestor gods preached pragmatism and self sufficiency; and the value of tradition iirc

so traditional dwarven culture was pretty devout in its own way

the engineering side of dwarven culture i could see as maybe being less reverent

[jaunty dawn]

hashut and chaos dwarves are like, synonymous ime

[spice flicker]

As per tvtropes:

"Where the Dawi are incapable of using magic, the Dawi-Zharr are ruled by magic users and even have their own lore of magic. Where the Dwarfs abhor slavery, the Chaos Dwarf empire was built on it. Where the Dwarfs kill Greenskins on sight, the Chaos Dwarfs field them in their armies. Where the Dwarfs are extremely defensive and rarely act as aggressors, the Chaos Dwarfs are constantly harassing their neighbors in order to enslave them. Where the Dwarfs are hardcore traditionalists that value the old ways above all else, the Chaos Dwarfs have abandoned the old ways and believe they are better for it."

And

"Expy Of Isengard. A people closely allied with but not an actual part of the Big Bad's army ruled from an evil, land-defiling tower ruled by an evil sorcerer that is the most technologically advanced faction in the setting, supported by orc slaves. They also both eventually create a bigger, stronger, and smarter orc via a breeding program that involves magic (The Uruk-hai and the Black Orcs, respectively). Saruman and Astragoth are both killed when their closest servant betrays them. Saruman receives a Karmic Death at the hands of a servant he abused and mistreated; the Chaos Dwarfs are eventually brought down by the hands of their slaves that they had abused and mistreated."

[pastel rampart]

Note that at least with old lore, WHFB dwarves do have a few splits when it comes to culture. There's a whole sub-section that are even more traditional, namely with runesmiths who think the old ways are the best ways and gosh darn it who keeps inventing things.

[spice flicker]

So I wonder how chaos votann might be made different than chaos dwarfs if we ever see them in action.

[pulsar cairn]

AoS have beeg hat

i wonder what they would have in space

[thin ibex]

i do laugh at how chaos dwarf aeshetic is comically tall hats

[pulsar cairn]

did the greenskins have a specific nickname for them?

or are they called stunties too?

[thin ibex]

Probably but I don't know it

Probably a variant on stunty

[pulsar cairn]

spiky stunties

[thin ibex]

Works I think

[spice flicker]

Iirc they're somewhat based on depictions of ancient Babylonia and Assyria. Big hats, ziggaurats, their beards, bull motifs, attempting conquering neighbors all the time,

[pine matrix]

I thought ChaDwarves' deal was they don't care much for expanding, other than for slaves and resources?

I do need to go back to Total Warham so I can give them a whirl

I kinda wanna complete a campaign as Kislev first so I can save Ursun 😅

[spice flicker]

They are expansionist but limited by extremely small population. They can probably go toe to toe with any other army but can probably only field that one army before stretched too thin.

Also TWW3 chaos dwarfs are fun once you can unlock their heavier artillery and can spam dwarves instead of greenskins

[pine matrix]

Sounds about right! I would want to be going crazy with the Big Machines

[spice flicker]

Oh you can do that too

[pastel rampart]

Chorfs have a limited population and have tried in the past to shore that up by creating black orcs and that became A Problem™️ when they revolted against the chorfs.

[spice flicker]

Also I would recommend playing with the mod that increases player army ammunition if you play them.

Aren't the Black Orcs the reason they ended up wiped out in End Times or did they suffer a different fate in that event?

[pastel rampart]

I think it was just orcs in general.

[pine matrix]

Lol yeah I love the black orcs lore as the worst mistake the Chorfs ever made, Grimgor Da Best

[pastel rampart]

Grimgor, combined orc/ogre force.

[pine matrix]

Playing as Grimgor in TW and getting a whole army of just black orcs is

[spice flicker]

If we ever get Chorfs in AOS I want them to just go all out on the war machines and artillery. Give us what Iron Warriors should be if they ever get their own faction.

[pine matrix]

For real

[spice flicker]

Still find it absurd how in lore the IW are all about siege warfare, tanks, and artillery yet have 0 artillery options on the tabletop.

[pastel rampart]

The lack of artillery is on account of their 3.5 book, which gave them 4 goddamn heavy support slots and a basilisk as an option.

That entire 'dex has seen chaos get an overcorrection for 20 years.

[floral herald]

hahaha yeah

triple vindicator is fairly meta rn so IW's are still eating thematically imo

[pastel rampart]

If you've ever wondered "wow chaos isn't all that great in this edition" you can blame 3rd ed.

For a brief, glorious time, you could make damn near anything from the CSM book and it was wonderfully busted.

[floral herald]

4e chaos at least had lashprinces and obliterators as the new "fucked up how good this is" stuff

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. Losing daemons sucked tho.

[spice flicker]

Oblits are still around though

[floral herald]

yeah

not like that they aren't haha

they have weird gimmicky casino cannons now not "the CSM armory" for wargear

[spice flicker]

Also find it absurd how alpha legion has no options for snipers

[jaunty dawn]

casino cannons?

like random stats?

[floral herald]

yeah really random weapons which are hard to predict

[pastel rampart]

tbh they never did have sniper options but they did have infiltrating cultists, which was novel.

[pulsar cairn]

that sounds like something an ork would use

[jaunty dawn]

they stopped being that when they got bigger

[floral herald]

yeah orks get a lot of casino cannons

[jaunty dawn]

they just have good guns now

choose 1 of 3 each round

[thin ibex]

Bubble chukka

[floral herald]

These look like casino cannons to me

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/JSSHy/2ca323eee3.jpg

[thin ibex]

You just choose though

[jaunty dawn]

they don't roll for damage

[pastel rampart]

Oblits could just pick whatever the fuck they wanted for weapons

[floral herald]

they do roll for attacks though

[jaunty dawn]

which means they're less casino than some people's like serious weapons

like what doomsday arcs were stuck with for ages

[thin ibex]

I wish I liked the zzap guns but they never seem worth

[floral herald]

I never said they were the most random

[jaunty dawn]

fair

[floral herald]

I just meant that firing BS4 plasma cannons was a lot less random haha

[jaunty dawn]

just mean they're like. some of the most reliable firepower in the dex now while in the between you were rolling random strength and range and everything

[floral herald]

Yeah they used to be a lot worse

Now they're solid but kind of rng

[jaunty dawn]

I kinda feel like that's more of an 8e+ thing than a oblit thing i guess

[floral herald]

But a lot of the chaos book is kind of rng and they still have pretty decent effect even if you roll badly for attack number

[jaunty dawn]

lots of weapons have random # of attacks

to your point, plasma cannons do too

[floral herald]

yeah its a far cry from dropping small blasts on squads you forced to bunch up in terms of reliability

But that's a good thing for the game in general imo

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

[floral herald]

GW should bring back the Lash of Submission as a prank

[jaunty dawn]

playing heresy for me is always an exercise in "damn this is so fun. Don't miss it 40k though"

[tepid stratus]

Just give it to EC when their book drops. You know, a little apology for being neglected for over a decade

[spice flicker]

Is the greater brass scorpion playable in 30k?

[brittle salmon]

Lash is among the funniest things GW ever printed

[tepid stratus]

I promise I won't abuse it

[jaunty dawn]

it is yeah

they eventually got around to adding them as a free download

[tepid stratus]

Pinky promise! (Ignore the crossed crab claws)

[brittle salmon]

Unironically I think Lash would fit as a core army anchor

Like a faction ability

[jaunty dawn]

instead of just being like "these models have no standard game now lol"

[spice flicker]

I feel like if I ever played 30k I'd go either imperial fists, iron warriors, or alpha legion

[brittle salmon]

Then you can balance around it

[jaunty dawn]

star wars legion has a lash type thing (force push) and it's like the main reason people take force users aiui haha

[spice flicker]

Lash?

[brittle salmon]

Oh boy you're about to have a history lesson

[spice flicker]

Enlighten me

[brittle salmon]

Lash was a Slaanesh psychic power available to CSM in 5th edition

Chaos Sorcerers and Daemon Princes with a Mark of Slaanesh could pick it as an option

[spice flicker]

What did it do?

[brittle salmon]

To not go into the nitty gritty, if they managed to cast it on a unit within 24" they could then move that unit 2d6 inches

After that the unit had to test for Pinning, which was a Leadership test that heavily penalized their shooting and forced their movement to be towards cover if they failed

It was incredibly good

Your opponent no longer had to make positioning mistakes, you could do it for them

[pastel rampart]

Note that it was the rare instance of Slaanesh psychic powers being busted for two editions in a row.

Because the 3.5 'dex had THIS horseshit:

http://puu.sh/JSSKt/91486f696b.jpg

[spice flicker]

So an enhancement that allows you to pick a unit and force it to move then make a battleshock test each turn would be the modern recreation of it? Or alternatively a Detachment ability that allows you to force every enemy unit to make a battleshock test or be forcibly moved a certain number of inches of your choosing?

[spice flicker]

Isn't that just Stealth but without a "within x inches" clause?

[pastel rampart]

More or less, yeah.

[floral herald]

You know that's fair, it could work if it was like a whole faction gimmick

[jaunty dawn]

*lone operative

[brittle salmon]

I think it needs to be on the level of a faction ability to work

It is genuinely that good

[pastel rampart]

What made Siren so good was that you'd make a flying daemon prince with this and just rocket directly into the enemy line with no way of stopping it unless you somehow had a combat monster to counter it.

[floral herald]

In some respects it can't be replicated because one of its big strengths was forcing models to cluster up for blast templates

[brittle salmon]

If you gave Lash to a detachment you need to have some superhuman competitors for everyone not to gravitate toward it

[floral herald]

Making them 2-3x as powerful

[brittle salmon]

Lol yeah I remember that

[jaunty dawn]

movment wins the game

[floral herald]

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2007/08/tactica-lash-of-submission.html

[jaunty dawn]

at its best a forced movement ability takes out an entire unit from the game

[floral herald]

There's a long list of dirty tricky you could do with it

I think one of the grossest was making it so you you could snipe individual models from units with range trickery

[cinder wraith]

i just clicked on the channel and i see this

what the heck?

[spice flicker]

Imagine it being able to force a character modelf to detach from a squad

No more bodyguards

[floral herald]

It could

[brittle salmon]

It could yeah

[spice flicker]

What would you think if it did do that in 10th?

[floral herald]

It shouldn't have been able to do that then and I wouldn't want a resurrected version of it to do that now

[brittle salmon]

Horrible for the game

[floral herald]

Lash was one of the worst things GW put in 40k rules ever

[brittle salmon]

Precision weapons can do that but they're a very specific thing

On very specific units

[spice flicker]

An enhancement for a psychic character that allows you to pick one squad within 24" and make a battleshock test. If the test is failed then the unit is moved 2d6 inches per the user's choice with any character models being detached from the bodyguard unit.

Less useful against knights but against other armies...

[brittle salmon]

Yeah nah

Like, to be clear

This can't be an enhancement

It is straight up on the power level of a faction ability

Even by modern standards

[floral herald]

Being able to break bodyguard buffs alone is super strong with how many leaders have strong buffs for their squad imo

[spice flicker]

Could be useful for making units easier to charge or make them move off objectives. Regarding objectives maybe they (unit making test) can get a bonus if sitting on an objective to prevent being removed from it.

[floral herald]

Being able to walk people out of cover, off objectives, into or out of charge range, etc is just super strong

Even if it could only target friendly units it'd probably be strong in 10e haha

[spice flicker]

The cha cha slide ability

[jaunty dawn]

off topic but my xandire's truthseekers arrived and damn is the thunderstrike design nice

I like chonkcast but I'm really hyped to paint these

[spice flicker]

Don't know that much about sigmarines. Did Gelt get turned into one? I know Karl Franz is the head sigmarine in all but name right?

[modern tiger]

Sadly the detatchment isn’t very good apparently

[floral herald]

It seems like it should but but I'm guessing tourney boards make it impractical to benefit from

[unreal cosmos]

I've been tempted to buy the "here's some paint and like two models" kits before

[floral herald]

Clearly it needs a "fuck this, Phalanx send this cover to hell" enhancement that lets you remove d3 terrain pieces and replace them with craters 😤

[thin ibex]

which detachment is it? the one themed for imperial fists

?

[floral herald]

yeah

[thin ibex]

I was under the impression that while not amazing, its actually better than the 1st company one

the main issue is that it encourages castling, which might not win you points

[jaunty dawn]

I think that's more a comment on the 1st company one than anything tbh

[unreal cosmos]

Looking back at the earlier 30k talk, I still plan on making an Ultras army buuut I keep looking at how thematic a Liberation Force RG list could be

[spice flicker]

I think GW overcorrected the problems deathwing caused when they made the 1st company Detachment.

[thin ibex]

the 1st company one feels a bit like a wet fart atm yeah. I think it CAN work, but doesn't really embody the fantasy around focusing hard into your elite super veterans

especially in casual play

termies are already quite solid

[pastel rampart]

Out of morbid curiosity I build a Siren-focused daemon prince from the 3.5 dex:

WS 6, BS 3, S5, T5, W3, I5, A3, Ld10, Sv2+/5++
lord - 60 Wargear/Daemonic Gift points limit - 150
Sorcerer Lord - 10
Mark of Slaanesh - 10 (enemies are -1 Init in CC)
Daemonic Gifts:
Daemonic Armour - 20 (2+ sv)
Daemonic Aura - 15 (5+ invuln
Daemonic Flight - 20 (jump pack)
Daemonic Stature - 15 (+1S & T, WS 6 and BS3; 2d6+S armour pen)
Wargear:
Dark Blade - 25 (daemon weapon, +2S power weapon)
Slaanesh Minor Psychic Power - 40 (bought 4 times; roll 1d6 each, one of them ought to be Siren)
Bionics - 5 (ignores a wound on a 6)```

For 220 points you could have a flying terminator with a S7 chainfist that was likely invisible the entire time.

[brittle salmon]

Is it really not?

[spice flicker]

Terminators do better in Vanguard than 1st company no?

[modern tiger]

Auspex thinks it’s okay, I’ve heard others say it’s bad competitively

[thin ibex]

its mostly fine imo, like i mentioned it encourages some castle tactics which dont play super nice with objective play

but from a shooting perspective, pushing almost every sm unit to shoot at a 2+ when stationary isnt nothin

[brittle salmon]

Yeah, that's my thought

[jaunty dawn]

I mean

[brittle salmon]

My personal hot take is if you have a unit that really needs to be somewhere and benefits a lot from the ability, pod them in

[spice flicker]

Drop pod aggressors

[thin ibex]

arent all reinforcements considred to have moved when they come in from reinforcements?

[jaunty dawn]

sustained hits army wide is a good ability, but there's a reason csm is amazing and imperial guard is not so much

[floral herald]

Aiui it’s not like, bad but there’s some really good ones for comp play

[jaunty dawn]

not moving is a really big downside

[floral herald]

So it’s less “this isn’t up to par” and more “actually I think I was BoC and AOC all the time more”

[brittle salmon]

Sure, but you get them into position turn 1 and they can benefit every turn after

...It also benefits drop pods, hilariously

[thin ibex]

on its own merit the anvil siege force is good, or i should say solid, but it falls behind the freedom offered by the gladius task force and the raw power of the more aggressive detachments like the stormlance and the firestorm

[brittle salmon]

Deathwind Launchers aren't nothing

[floral herald]

I think the biggest thing probably depends on if you have a local meta with open enough boards for it or not haha

[thin ibex]

i think the ironstorm is strong too but almost because its riding on the relative strength of armor

havent actually designed a anvil list yet

bolterstorming seems good

all intercessors have heavy already, so they'd get +1 to wound too

i forget if the heavy intercessors are rocking heavy already

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596197650332778498/1166064575041519726/image.png?ex=65492143&is=6536ac43&hm=0039f465a11867b199a31cc917d3d1b8fb328e1fa09c03fb9e9f90108780d635&

[jaunty dawn]

I think disk blasters tend to perform better than dart blasters tbf!

not that thats transferable to actual firearms with bullets and rifling haha

[naive abyss]

well fantasy. we dont actually know what they look like for aos yet

id hope also big hat but still

also in terms of chorfs in aos

ngl in allot of ways i want how they worked in og fantasy but like more tm

like theres a model that technically was one of like i think two chorfs aos had super early on

and it fucks so hard

like just gimme shartor in plastic and id be so here for it

[pastel rampart]

I'd even take Shartor in not-shit resin.

[naive abyss]

lol true

ultimately plastic is obv ideal but yeah like it just being available and not in really bad quality

at bare minimum

cuz its such a cool model

and is like tbh really visually distinct imo

also tbh an update to the dragon ogres would be nice on an entirely different note

ironically the resin shaggoth has aged way better than the plastic squad

[pastel rampart]

A new dragon ogre shaggoth would be nice

[naive abyss]

def

though that model has imo aged way more gracefully

[pastel rampart]

I got one as well as 6 metal dragon ogres so I feel set there.

[naive abyss]

lol fair

im currently on the prowl for the liek i think it was 6th ed gorbad model

ive found a few sellers but the price is rough and im in the thinnest part of being in between checks

[pastel rampart]

Tho the shaggoth is in something of a bad state so I gotta strip that thing down and fix it. Lots of paint has come off over the years.

[naive abyss]

but yeah idk this modle just speaks to me ngl

like its aged super well overall

but ill also grant im just a sucker for orcs on boars

also tbh when and if i collect some dorfs for old world ill def probalby be using some highland miniatures stuff

they have some absolute stellar warriors imo

[pastel rampart]

https://en.momminiatures.com/copia-de-dwarfs MOM has some good stuff too

[naive abyss]

oh these are very retro vibes

i can respect that

the onager have gobo heads on spikes is a great detail ngl

[pastel rampart]

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/77b349_2c5fb04873454bcf845c42447c466198~mv2_d_2267_2356_s_2.jpg/v1/fill/w_1084,h_1127,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/77b349_2c5fb04873454bcf845c42447c466198~mv2_d_2267_2356_s_2.jpg

[naive abyss]

also they arent obsessed with making sure warriors having horned helmets which appeals to my preference

this is a quality take on the hewer

yeah if i decide to go retro this is def one range ill keep in mind cuz man this is campy in the best way

[pastel rampart]

It's great, yeah

[naive abyss]

like i may bug an onager just to have those gobos on spikes

[pastel rampart]

I got one of the rats for a friend and the resin is very good quality. Also affordable.

[naive abyss]

vibe

[pastel rampart]

https://en.momminiatures.com/product-page/demon-plague-lord I like this one too

[tired cairn]

@thin ibex mostly this makes me think that the eldar need a jump unit with Spinfusers

[naive abyss]

oh yeah thats fun

[naive abyss]

so warp spiders lol

tbh i hope we get some updated warp spiders soonish

that unit has such cool fluff imo

and one of teh cooler exarch designs

[pastel rampart]

I managed to remake the molds I have for my plaguebearers and have cast approximately Too Many of these fuckers, alongside Way Too Many nurglings and now I'm like...hmmmm I kinda want a great unclean one.

[naive abyss]

lol

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1518413882808672256

[pastel rampart]

Should I be a madman and just sculpt one.

[naive abyss]

i mean seek your vibe

[tired cairn]

Warp spiders jump through the wrong dimension and don't use a difficult to aim weapon!

But I agree I like the warp spider fluff

[pastel rampart]

About 60 of these were viable with some repair work, and another...idk, 10? were bad casts but could be used as bitz.

not perfect but also it's nurgle, so what if there's odd holes here and there

[naive abyss]

lol tru

[thin ibex]

How are warp spiders in the current meta? They're effectively a teleporting flamer squad right?

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

[thin ibex]

I know you're largely uninterested in the mechanics unde, was more to the channel lol

[naive abyss]

fair. i mostly did it for the bit

[pulsar cairn]

are warp spiders those ugly ass daemon engines?

[thin ibex]

nah the warp spiders are a aspect warrior for the craftworld aeldari

[pulsar cairn]

OH

i remember now

saw them at the card game

they are annoying!

hit and run makes me go aaaa

[thin ibex]

they shoot nets made of like monofilament thread that then slices through the targets

which is their "web"

[pulsar cairn]

that sounds horrible

[thin ibex]

yeah its pretty gnarly

[pine matrix]

Are dragon ogres in AoS at all?

[thin ibex]

one of the more gruesome ways

[naive abyss]

they are yes

[rocky shale]

They're extremely meta

[thin ibex]

ah yeah?

im guessing for backfield objectives?

much like inceptors?

[rocky shale]

Either MSU squads for having 24" teleport moves to do objectives or 10-mans for deep striking with terrifying overwatch

The flames have dev wounds

[thin ibex]

nice, they're cool units

glad to see them getting play

[rocky shale]

Shame that they're still finecast

But yeah 11d6 flamer attacks with dev wounds deep striking then over watching is gross

[thin ibex]

a bit costly at what, 2 cp? But potentially very influential

i was definitely imagining teleporting units that i can get engage on all fronts and steal the "sticky objective" objectives

[rocky shale]

1cp

Unless you also want to rapid ingress

[thin ibex]

and also great at erasing the usual munckin chaff that often gets left on backfield objectives

[rocky shale]

The teleport isn't a stratagem either

It's just a 24" move that makes you risk taking 1 mortal

[tepid stratus]

The only reason I haven't seen them used is because aeldari have so many other things as good or better than warpspiders that are plastic

[naive abyss]

lol

Located in the Grey Mountains west of the Reikland. Khazid Urndbaz-Varn overlooks a sizable mountain lake. Across those waters from the outpost is a mid-sized imperial trade town and port which sits at the mouth of the river the lake feeds. Trade between the two is long standing and profitable.

Bjara was forced to take the oath because she beat a powerful human merchant families heir near to death, rendering him lame and impotent, after he had tried to rape her. Her forced oath was done so her family, who had long-standing trade ties with the human family, could save face and maintain their trade contracts. Her first quest was to kill an undead mutated cave bear which had been terrorizing the local area. She was defiant as she took up the red mantle of a slayer and was given the most basic of the Oaths tattooed marks. Then she marched up the harsh cliffs where the beast made its lair without hesitation. None expected her to return…

But, return she did bloodied and beaten but with her she dragged the now slain creature. She had lost the use forever of one of her eyes in the fierce battle but she was hailed for her victory. As a show of respect, and as some token of empathy, the hold took the bears skull and carved great etchings upon it and fashioned a sturdy fur cloak of its hide with rune blessed clasps upon its mantle. Also, as is custom she was granted the full marks of a blooded slayer and her first victory was incorporated into them as a show of respect. As she departed forever from her home, she was hailed quietly by her now still often used moniker of “The Red Bear”.

She is odd for a slayer for she is not as morose as most of her ilk but instead enjoys life and seeks pleasure both of drink, food, and flesh. Though she also would not think to shirk her oath for she like all her kind takes high stock in her given word. So yes, she seeks glorious battle and death from it. But she aims to live well as she seeks that final demise. For though she values the oath she gave she sees no reason not to enjoy herself along the way. The truth is she had always craved the path of adventure…in fact in many ways the oath freed her from a forlorn fate of mundanity and obligation. The idea of which she feared more than any warp spawn, greenskin, or other foul beast that stalks the land…

did an editing pass on bjaras fluff

[pastel rampart]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/14/19/18/141918e6708d907bfab3e968955f0747.jpg

[naive abyss]

lil scrunglos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsx-9ulWhjA&ab_channel=Lybbansminiatures

[pastel rampart]

"First step: get a 3D printer"

Bold of him to use white foam.

[modern tiger]

Big E should become a fifth ruinous power. I fucking love “holiness” and light being used as eldritch horror

[north orbit]

In that case have you played critically acclaimed MMO Final Fantasy is shot

[modern tiger]

Yes

Extesivley

[north orbit]

Ok so you know what I’m referencing there

[modern tiger]

Yes

[north orbit]

Yet another reason why SHB is fucking peak

[jaunty dawn]

I eally like the idea of the emperor ascending and it's a really bad thing for everyone

[past sphinx]

slannesh made the eye of terror, emps finally getting to the end result of his god machine would be just as awful

and the dude built his, ground up, none of this homegrown slannesh god machine

[modern tiger]

One of the first things he would do is yoink lorgar and make him into the order equivalent of a daemon prince because dude literally wrote the book on him

[jaunty dawn]

I imagine all of like segmentum solar being his domain

[past sphinx]

well that what would be left of it

[jaunty dawn]

I imagine it like the opposite of an eye of terror situation

but in a bad way

[modern tiger]

What if emps gets revived in some form

And then just leaves

[jaunty dawn]

everything inside is instilled into perfect order

[past sphinx]

star child

just wanders off

[modern tiger]

(Cw scuicide refrence) ||or commits holy scuicide||

[past sphinx]

inquisition finally rounds up all of emps kids and puts him back together

granted by taking them apart

sensei are canon ill die on this hill

god i feel fucking old

[pastel rampart]

Sensei are canon because they haven't been made *un-*canon.

[past sphinx]

get that zoat cope pumping im waiting for them to turn up as a killteam

[jaunty dawn]

there's a zoat

[naive abyss]

i mean we did get one in black fortress

[past sphinx]

yes thats what i mean

zoats are ancient and got "squatted" years back

and boom

[naive abyss]

my forever cope is albion in fantasy lol

[past sphinx]

back in style

[past sphinx]

The Celt lads?

[naive abyss]

yeah

[final tide]

everything's canon, nothing's canon, all the books are lies as much as they are truth. go wild go ham.

[past sphinx]

unchaos norsicans right?

[naive abyss]

the canonically third best magic users in og fantasy lol

[naive abyss]

im not sure if that is meant as a joke

but my celtic studies focus in history is making me want to vibrate through your walls to get you lol

[north orbit]

All the 40k books are imperial propaganda

That’s how I see it

[past sphinx]

more or less

i dont believe the horus heresy happened

[naive abyss]

that makes the infinite and divine fascinating

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/touhou-player-rain-bullet-hell-avoid-gif-25730203

[north orbit]

I was originally thinking of just the codexes when I said that but it’s funnier to apply it to all the other books

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/mrwtf-gif-858359951733893891

me coming to get you

[past sphinx]

the english became norse for a while they just didnt happen to be celts by then

and thats just fucked enough to be warhammer

[naive abyss]

eye twitch

[jaunty dawn]

the saxons displaced the celts

[past sphinx]

1066 is a damn fine boardgame to

[final tide]

more or less, yeah

[naive abyss]

im aware

[final tide]

even the books not written about the imperials!

are also lies and truth blended in a big stupid mix

[north orbit]

Yes it’s why the Xenos never get a W

[final tide]

its fun~

been like this since the start

i should go dig back up my copy of Rogue Trader

[north orbit]

I think 40k lost sight of it along the way tbh

[naive abyss]

the saxons however are not norse

[final tide]

this is the warhammer thread unde

[naive abyss]

im aware

i didnt start this lol

[past sphinx]

are you saying Assassins Creed lied to me

[final tide]

yeah i'm doing a gentle "move along"

[naive abyss]

yes

[final tide]

to maybe #technical-discussion

[naive abyss]

fair

[north orbit]

In rogue trader it was meant to be that, by the modern day im pretty sure GW means for them to be actually true

[final tide]

if you wanted to keep this angle going

[naive abyss]

i was having a similar thought yeah

[past sphinx]

God i wish i still had my old 2e books

[final tide]

Eh, reading the more modern books, GW may have lost sight of the explicitness of the lies

but they're still writing mostly on Vibes

[naive abyss]

but yeah i love albion lore

[final tide]

and they do know what the vibes are for warhammer

[jaunty dawn]

vibes are all that matters in the end

[naive abyss]

like they are so bizarrely important

yet so tertiary

[jaunty dawn]

I'll be damned before I care what a book says ngl

[north orbit]

Eh, I’d say there’s way too much unironic imperium propaganda in the lore these days

[past sphinx]

I believe i have describe this as "getting whammied by the aestetics"

[final tide]

the book is there to give me interesting things to say about my plastic war-dollies

[jaunty dawn]

mhm yes this

[final tide]

i need to get to work on my pigs, speaking of dollies

[past sphinx]

the moment they had to make a space marine a character someone would want to read about the game was up

[north orbit]

Which is why the Tau Lore hasn’t been updated since 3rd Edition in my head

[final tide]

i gotta get four more goregruntas built and then the BIG PIG RIG

and twenty ardboyz,,,

and try and convert my spare Warchanta into a Weirdnob

[jaunty dawn]

that's so many pigs

[north orbit]

I am a tau player btw so I live in constant salt

[final tide]

six gore gruntas solves. many problem.

[jaunty dawn]

ludicrous pigs

going at ludicrous speed

[naive abyss]

imma get lots of boar boyz for old world ngl

love those models

[final tide]

i'm gonna tell you right now, a big part of what i try to do is keep the salt levels in the thread low so that it doesn't turn into endless kvetching instead of enjoyin the hobby

[naive abyss]

gonna make the uhternals sthampede fantasy edition

[final tide]

so tell me your favorite tau lore right now

[north orbit]

Fair enough lol. The tiger shark AX-10

The tau solution to Titans being, instead of building their own titans, “what if we gave a plane a really big gun”

[modern tiger]

What I bet would happen if big e got revived is immediatley take the custodies and all the innocent people on terra and put them on some hospitable planet (and tell the custodies to keep them safe ovbs) and then delete terra and himself from existence

[north orbit]

I love how practical the Tau are when it comes to solving problems

There’s very few things in 40k a bigger gun can’t solve and the tau appreciate that

[modern tiger]

Also I guess he’d put guillaman back on ultramar since he’d probably be there

[jaunty dawn]

tau good

[past sphinx]

and they have the only known player character in warhammer 40k

Shas'la Kais just did all of that shit canonically

solo'd dreadnaughts and shit

[north orbit]

Imperial Armor Taros Campaign is my favorite Tau lore book because they just clown on the imperium from day one

[past sphinx]

my man was screaming blood for the blood god gunning down daemons with a space marines bolter he pryed from the dead hands

[north orbit]

To make this clear- the first strike the imperium sends in is a COMPANY FORCE of space marines. 60% casualties

They fail their objective

Go in with 8 thunderhawks, the survivors fit into two

[past sphinx]

That reminds me my favorite bit of tau lore is space marines are shit scared of rail rifles because they absolutely shred geneseed when they hit you

because you just kinda turn to paste inside the armor

[thin ibex]

was that post the mirror codex? cause that was one of farsights biggest tactical contributions to the empire

[past sphinx]

they dont just kill you they kill the generations of marines after you

[thin ibex]

rewrote the entire codex astartes via observation

[north orbit]

Don’t think the mirror codex existed as lore when Taros was written

[thin ibex]

tomporally, it was written just after the damocles gulf crusade ended

temporally*

[north orbit]

I mean IRL, I don’t think the mirror codex was part of the original Damocles gulf lore?

[thin ibex]

twas post, not during

but the mirror codex has been attributed to fs for a long while, just dont know how long its been around

[north orbit]

Well I can say the mirror codex never gets mentioned in the Taros book

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/VoicesByZane/status/1716418869873492064?s=20

[naive abyss]

https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_s1tiuxXAIy1zes4wo.mp4

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912475071019356170/1164254178651160697/988D1282-9F19-410D-B1EE-C1D7847FAE20.mov?ex=65428b32&is=65301632&hm=810e4e4af376d22b31001d9505ee0ca6b3139bf7b0551aad1511b31b9d391b8d&

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/959855447966371891/1161210946476327033/IMG_1504.webp?ex=6540b377&is=652e3e77&hm=84b46f4642a2309f922147ed2f14c20b90e8bce1e367b4822234f29bc6e89f09&

https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/gYJGaq7jZi

[modern tiger]

yaknow for a man(?) who didnt want to be worshipped he leaned into the divine imagery REALLY HARD

[final tide]

Yeah fascists do That

[uneven ember]

Big E does have so many "HOW COULD THE OBVIOUS RESULT OF MY BAD DECISIONS POSSIBLY HAVE GONE BADLY FOR ME" moments.

[lofty warren]

"what if god was a fuckup"

[past sphinx]

On one hand you can look at thr imperium as a failure

On the other you can look at it as the emperor learning how to create a God from the eldar

[brittle salmon]

I choose to look at it as the Emperor being a fuckboy

[past sphinx]

All the hells created to funnel all of that desperate pleading worship to a single individual soaking up the souls of millions a day

He killed every single thunder warrior the moment they stopped being useful, who's to say otherwise for his other genewarriors

[modern tiger]

Mmm fair yeah big e is a huge fascist

[modern tiger]

I retract this statement

listen, i just want the imperium to facture into a million pieces

[floral herald]

Hahaha

[modern tiger]

it would make the setting SO much better

[floral herald]

I actually don’t like the idea of largely fracturing the Imperium

I think the mindless scale is kind of important

Now, 2-3 imperiums… that I can get behind

(Obvious fracture points rn being Macragge, The Rock, and Terra)

[soft willow]

Robby G's Imperium, Lion-land and Cawlopolis.

[floral herald]

The Lion’s already has a name!

The Protectorate of the Lion

[modern tiger]

Huh the lion is actually claiming territory like king smurf is?

[floral herald]

Basically yeah

Dude didn’t waste a lot of time after he woke up

[modern tiger]

Granted if it DID fracture the realm of ultramar would most likely stay together and be the most stable

[lofty warren]

Balkanize the imperium

I hope they do primarch civil war

[floral herald]

And since he’s in the imperium secundus where the Astronomicon doesn’t shine there’s a power vacuum he fills real fast

But Lion has little interest in ruling

[lofty warren]

Wonder what the next primarch they'll resurrect will be

Probably vulkan or rogal dorn

[floral herald]

My guess is Fulgrim

[lofty warren]

But wouldnt it be rad if it was jaghatai khan

Mostly because noone cares about the khan

Winner of "worlds most forgotten primarch" award

[modern tiger]

The only way the imperium fractures is some massive crisis of faith probably, which probs wouldn’t happen unless terra gets flattened or cadia’d

[floral herald]

The imperium has fractured a couple times

Like the nova terra interregnum

[lofty warren]

I think just the fact that you have imperium secundus

Indicates a fracturing occuring

Purely because of the regional divide

[modern tiger]

But they still consider themselves part of the imperium

[floral herald]

Or the Reign of Blood though that was less of a fracture

[modern tiger]

I want some human factions that aren’t yaknow, fashy theocrats

And are actually fighting for survival

[modern tiger]

Or darkmech playable

Because I feel slightly odd about playing admech since they look cool and I like them, but they’re imperium.

If darkmech was playable i could just turn my brain off since chaos is just cartoonishly evil

Not the getting-a-bit-too-close-to-real-life-wondering-if-this-is-satire-anymore evil that the imperium is

[floral herald]

It’s slightly hair splitty but they aren’t the imperium

[modern tiger]

They power the entire war machine?

[floral herald]

They’re just their own human empire allied to the imperium by the treaty of mars

[lofty warren]

Its a bit cliche but you can just run an admech force as dark mech

[modern tiger]

They’re an imperium faction.

[lofty warren]

Not that that would give you the fun chaos toys

[modern tiger]

Yeah but. Forgefiends

I want to use the big puppies

[floral herald]

Now they’re pretty close at this point but they’re also a parallel society with their own planets and everything

[lofty warren]

Sorted under "imperium" on james workshop webstore

Its imperium

[floral herald]

Shame the webstore people don’t know the lore :p

Not as bad as the dark days when the Mechanicus didn’t actually have a faction though

[lofty warren]

I ascribe to the capitalist model of canon where anything stated on the webstore is the most reliable source

[mental birch]

haah

I'm using the Arachni Rigs Ashjumpers

as human crisis suits

hahahaah

cackles

[modern tiger]

I wouldn’t call them very separate, they’re the people who power the entire imperium’s war machine

[floral herald]

This also makes space marines not the imperium which is kinda funny

[floral herald]

They’re pretty closely allied now yeah, but lore wise they are an independent allied empire. They’ve got their own planets, civil and military fleets, militaries, etc

[lofty warren]

We have to listen to the holy text (copywriters trying to get you to buy models)

[floral herald]

(There was also more friction during the HH, but that’s kind of died down)

[mental birch]

Now I"m trying to figure out a model to base a Human broadside off of

[modern tiger]

Invictor variant?

[lofty warren]

Lord of skulls

[mental birch]

Invictor feels too big

[lofty warren]

Oh i read stormsurge lmao

Idk why

[mental birch]

60mm

I swear if I end up giving railguns to a kastellan I will laugh

[floral herald]

It’s sort of related to this but I think the old breakdown of the components of the aquila are interesting

[tired cairn]

What's the leftwing?

[lofty warren]

Lmao arbites represented but astartes is not

[floral herald]

Destroyed of course

[lofty warren]

Kataphron, maybe? How big is the base size for those

[floral herald]

There’s apparently some versions which have the AAT as the left wing

One of them is apparently a mistake

[uneven ember]

It does look like the Custodes and Administratum are both the left talon, so I'd guess one of those is supposed to be the wing.

[floral herald]

I believe the custodes are supposed to be the body

[lofty warren]

Planet is lost to heresy as people argue about what the aquilia is supposed to represent

[floral herald]

I think these kinds of inconsistencies are great

Shows the ossified knowledge really well

What does the double eagle represent?

Various bodies of the Imperium?

The Union of Terra and Mars?

One eye looking into the future and one remembering the past?

[lofty warren]

I always liked how one head has a robot eye

[floral herald]

An eye on the Materium and an eye in the Immaterium?

Dominion over secular and religious life?

Whatever your superior says it means?

[floral herald]

What’s also great is that this is inconsistent

Sometimes it’s just hooded

[lofty warren]

Hell yeah

[modern tiger]

Primarch civil war soley because the lion is mad at guilliman for his relations with yvraine

[floral herald]

Based on their current relationship I think them fighting is really unlikely

Which as of the end of children of the forest was basically elation that neither of them is alone

[modern tiger]

It was a joke mostly

[floral herald]

Ah fair

I am sleepy lol

[desert jay]

Wasn't there that thing about how Guilliman is chaperoned by like 20 UM successor captains?

[pulsar cairn]

what does chaperoned mean

[ebon forge]

Been playing Warpforge, is fun
I suck massively at it
but is fun

[chilly scroll]

Essentially having a responsible person with you to make sure you don't get up to no-good

Usually an element of "ensuring the safety of"

[pulsar cairn]

awww

they love their dad

[naive abyss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/961991162355384410/1166341317488549929/IMG_4454.jpg?ex=654a22ff&is=6537adff&hm=cd7529235909975b5f0744c932f784b0813d323def3f7332e297080392c5ef99&

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/dMIncHk9yyDVg2Bk.jpg okay that's a pretty dope icon

[pulsar cairn]

i want one

[jaunty dawn]

umbraneth umbraneth ymbraneth umbranethttthththththt

[naive abyss]

new artel orc is cool

[pulsar cairn]

he walking in like "waaaaaaagh"

[pastel rampart]

WAAAGHIN' MY WAY DOWNTOWN

[naive abyss]

Ngl i find it funny the bug is stamped with a deer emblem lol

[unreal cosmos]

almost like a stag b
some kind of stag beet
call that a sta

[naive abyss]

Tbh I'm now reminded and happy were getting welves back

[pulsar cairn]

what`s this armor called?

[naive abyss]

Cuz I miss angry celtic violence hippies lol

[naive abyss]

Centurion armor lol

[tepid stratus]

Centurion armour

[pulsar cairn]

huh

didn't know they had those

thought it was some kind of terminator

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[tepid stratus]

Well technically centurion suits are exo suits. The marine is still wearing his power armour underneath

[pulsar cairn]

oooh

power power armor?

[tepid stratus]

Basically

[upper canopy]

Fun fact

The Centurion suit is the reason TTS existed

[pulsar cairn]

really?

oh

is that what dorn was wearing?

[upper canopy]

The first video is literally just Alfa making a joke about how centurions are funny

[upper canopy]

Ya

[unreal cosmos]

were Centurions the final pre-Primaris Space Marine model?

[mental birch]

I think so

[pastel rampart]

In that they were a new kit and not a redo of an existing unit....uh, maybe?

[upper canopy]

Space marine inside a space marine

[floral herald]

I think by that metric the stormhawk was the last model

Cause Centurions were from jeez 2013

[thin ibex]

Oo maybe centurion would be good in anvil force

https://vxtwitter.com/VoicesByZane/status/1716418869873492064

[thin ibex]

Subject "Can a battle company of Ultramarines break into and capture a Waffle House"

first response
Day Shift - Yes, with massive casualties
Night Shift - the loss would be so catastrophic the inquisition would exterminatus to cover it up

[floral herald]

You can at vx in front of a Twitter link “vxtwitter” to make embeds work

Since they almost always fail without it now btw

[thin ibex]

aha!

[junior robin]

must be some kind of dark elf ~~or a really pointy primaris lieutenant ~~

[jovial berry]

Which book is this referencing

[torn arrow]

Probably Mechanicus

[pastel rampart]

I completely forgot about that thing.

[thin ibex]

My attempt at an imperial fist anvil force

i figure with most units wounding on 5's and sixes when they don't move and hitting on twos, its perfectly possible to dump out huge damage

also making eradicators wound on 4's at str 9 is pretty sick

and hellblasters

i actually kinda like it?

kinda feels like a raw dakka list tho

only really have like 3 intentionally mobile units

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/hzQBHfqIiwUneWSj.jpg lotta good schemes, I think the bone-and-teal one is my fav

[desert jay]

Hah is one there really pink and blue with white accents?

[naive abyss]

Good trans rep spotted

Imma do mine in ostermark colors I think

Love ostermark

[thin ibex]

Hmm, do yall think that there are Imperial rock stars or rock celebrities that make Emperor faith ballads and do church concerts n stuff?

the Faith +1 of the warhammer world

[pine matrix]

I imagine so, someone has to write the hymns

And why not give it a more intense tempo? (The why not will be answered by the inquisition)

[pastel rampart]

Doubtless there's the Christian Rock equivalent in 40k and I guarantee it suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks.

[soft willow]

I mean there's probably a whole branch of tech priests that map out the math songs for various forges.

[pastel rampart]

Oh god, bad math rock.

[soft willow]

When sung correctly there is a 7.2% increase in worker efficiency. Praise the Omnissiah.

[quaint compass]

Addendum: Only 31.8% increase in self-inflicted assembly casualties. Praise the Omnissiah.

[soft willow]

Further Addendum: 128% increase in production of servitor parts.

[thin ibex]

Famous faith band called Imperial Creed

[thin ibex]

follow up ironstorm list

[naive abyss]

https://youtu.be/YKLvEakphJE?si=LWlIvjsgD8QYnts-

[jaunty dawn]

the necromunda cops have rules for using a Tauros Venator in the new campaign book 👀

[naive abyss]

https://youtu.be/rw2zRNaR_RU?si=hj5leyBKo8_LIH5-

[cinder wraith]

HUH?

i need

[jaunty dawn]

Ikr!!!!

[naive abyss]

https://youtu.be/Lv9ubvQYhr0?si=ODBg9Qk1Lkl3VfjD

[thin ibex]

if someone told me that necromunda would be the place the tauros saw a return, i would not have believed them

[lofty warren]

Shame tbh its way cooler than the taurox

[thin ibex]

i like em both tbh, but i did love the buggy

a lot

couldn't help but wonder if it got retired int he face of orky buggies

[jaunty dawn]

the taurox/ridgerunner conversion that was showcased on warcom recently was cool

[topaz elk]

Oh that’s sick

[cinder wraith]

looks at my ridgerunner i have to get better

[thin ibex]

yeah thats pretty sick

[naive abyss]

https://youtu.be/d5O3N4PM20Q?si=rXCSUhx2O9vhIJsS

[upper canopy]

https://vxtwitter.com/DocStrangelove2/status/1711381500598354063

Mechanicus

[tardy vault]

https://youtu.be/6Wn8C8-d_uc

This is an attack

[topaz elk]

It gets so much better the more you look at it

[pulsar cairn]

so the bane blade was a "LIGHT" scout tank

that sounds kind of stupid even for old humanity

[desert jay]

It's scouting for titans, I guess

The warhound is also classed as a scout titan, for the same silliness reasons

[lofty warren]

Old humanity did not have a lot of tactics

Also iirc the baneblade debuted in epic

[floral herald]

As far as I know there is actually no written lore which indicates the baneblade is anything but a superheavy tank

This is just a really persistent fan meme

[desert jay]

Apparently its' mentioned in the first chapter of Master of Mankind

[lofty warren]

Maybe related to creed being able to scout with it

[floral herald]

People have been saying that at least a decade before that was published though

[desert jay]

Oh IDK then

[lofty warren]

Yeah my money is on creed

[floral herald]

Honestly that might be the origin haha

I think this is the original description of the baneblade

[thin ibex]

Yeah, BBs as scout tanks feels like some kind of foolishness

[floral herald]

Yeah it seems very silly because they are NOT fast tanks

[thin ibex]

it feels like... I dont wanna say childish but like it has an energy of "Yeah well-" scaling and just like picking up words at random from memory

Yeah well the biggest tank in the list was actually TINY by old humanity standards, it was a SCOUT

people DROVE BANEBLADES as commuter cars

gottem

[pale narwhal]

I know that the Malcador was a light tank in the HH era. But yeah the Baneblade being a scout tank seems not exactly practical

[floral herald]

I'm not sure about that one either, though it was pretty fast

[unreal cosmos]

40k/Battletech cross-contamination

[lofty warren]

Hot take, armies in the modern imperium are probably better strategically and tactically than the HH era

Because they have less "i win" buttons

[floral herald]

Ok that is a hot take

[lofty warren]

Restriction breeds creativity

The drop site massacre was a skill issue

[pale narwhal]

That’s the lore I believe. Light/cavalry tank, mostly due to speed and less armament than the heavier stuff that was the norm (Baneblade, a lot of the heavy Astartes tanks)

[floral herald]

All the stuff I can find calls it... a bunch of different things

Lexicanum amusingly calls it a heavy tank in the title and a main battle tank in the body

Someone else calls it an "assault tank" which is a made up class

I think calling it a light tank makes some sense doctrinally

But idk if like, there's something which called it that

[floral herald]

There is a bit of that with space marines

Modern space marines are actually significantly better tactically than HH era "mass production" space marines

[lofty warren]

I knew it

[thin ibex]

the ol "we can only send 1 squad, with one of you wounded. You can't even keep the thunderhawk, we'll come pick you up later probably" space marine doctrine

"You need to be able to deal with everything" squads

it is a bit fun when one reminds themselves that space marines deploying in force was probably a notable event compared to a more normal "spread thin" vibe space marines often had

but yeah I think a lot of the "Old Humanity didn't make any sense and everything they did was hyperbole" is a bunch of foolishness and don't really engage with it

I get trying to scale how wild their tech and capability, but like it crosses easily over into comical

which kills it for me

"Back in the old days, old humanity played basketball with stars cause titans were bigger than the planets, and they'd dunk planets for fun."

"Back in the ancient days, the smallest possible sidearm instantly exploded the entire planet" kind of comical

(I'm making these up, but its the vibe i get)

at least i think im making these up...

[uneven ember]

There's definitely a line where you get that the Lost Age had as commonplace what is in the Lesser Days a glorious artifact without, like, "scout Baneblade" which doesn't make Old Humanity look impressive it just makes them seem confused about what a scout is for.

[thin ibex]

yeah i think thats what it is, it stops being impressive and just feels lost

[uneven ember]

With the caveat that this is 40K, stupidly and comically impractical is the whole vibe

[thin ibex]

yeah, that is a valid position, but I think there are limits and boundaries, after which it just seems kind of dumb

rather than a bit of tongue in cheek enjoyment of the absurd alement

[floral herald]

40k isn't just stupid its finely calibrated stupid within narrow tolerances

Artificer-grade stupid

[tired cairn]

On the razor edge of amazing and extremely dumb

[thin ibex]

Old world humanity like jumps the shark into "My Uncle Who Works at Nintendo Told Me"

vibes

[long void]

It's a vague era, so there'd be some myths spread around

[tired cairn]

Clearly the Scout Baneblade was named after the person who designed the pattern, Alfred Scout, and not actually used for scouting

[long void]

working STCs being the equivalent of artifacts is like sprinking the setting with magic items, calling back to Warhammer Fantasy

[tired cairn]

It also more literally has magic items in the form of psychic stuff lol

[long void]

and Knights and Terminator Armor being industrial equipment shows how much things have drifted into feeding the Forever War.

[thin ibex]

#Terminator armor was a utility suit worn by our most lowly ship maintenance workers lolz

[long void]

The imperium have likely adjusted it for all the military equipment too

[thin ibex]

the power fist was actually a back scratcher! Power armor was casual wear! (im also making these up)

the scions of old humanity could take lascannon shots to the chest, naked. The lascannon was actually a toothpick for old humanity

[long void]

ah, they did update the concept a little:

Terminator armour was developed during the Great Crusade. Its design is a blend of Dreadnought armour, standard Marine power armour and heavy suits used by engineers working in the most hostile environments (such as micro-debris-plagued orbits or the radioactive engine cores of stellar frigates).

[thin ibex]

Imperial Knights? Nay, they were gardeners! For old humanity's MEGA CROPS

[tired cairn]

Were they very large apple trees with very large apple

[thin ibex]

yes exactly

[long void]

that probably explains the feudalism

[thin ibex]

Look if old humanity facts can be completely delinked from any sense of grounding im gonna go wild with it

[zinc field]

IIRC that one's actually canon lol

[thin ibex]

goddammit

beaten to the punch

the mega crops? Not for eating, just for the aesthetic, because old humanity was beyond the need for food

[long void]

knights are these things, with legs

[thin ibex]

when an enemy was foolish enough to try to fight old humanity, the vanguard scouts of humanity were continent sized stealth bots

[jaunty dawn]

power fist for pulling up big potato

chainsword for cutting big wheat

[thin ibex]

the enemy would never see them coming, because stealth

and then the continent bots would shoot the ultra diode crystalline event horizon mulchifier apocadoomsday beam

which was considered a light weapon for the era

a sidearm really

it would not only erase the enemy, but the memory of their existence. It would retroactively remove the enemy from history

trivial for old humanity

The normal living complexes for old humanity's most average person was bigger than the imperial palace, could not fit on planets even

had to float em out in orbit or open space

[unreal cosmos]

so what I like about terminator armor is that it was initially conceived as like

the replacement for power armor

but as it got field tested they figured out pretty quickly that it just wasn't viable, but that they WERE good for teleport strikes and boarding actions

it's kinda fun to see things shift as the Great Crusade and the Heresy progress because in some cases the tech improves and in others they realize they can't stretch Dark Age tech as far as they used to

[thin ibex]

Phalanx? the largest imperial ship ever built? Yeah that was a micro freighter by old humanity's standards. Smallest class of light ship with what was considered a minimal level of armament

pretty much a fighter

[long void]

this stuff works if we just get rid of the Necron and Eldar backstory

[thin ibex]

i think the real takeaway here is that old humanity was actually just literally bigger

baneblade being a scout tank works if it could only crew 2-3 old humans

[uneven ember]

Yeah but technology is also magic to people in 40K

"Your laptop stopped working because the ghost that makes it work is angry. Light some incense, turn it off, say a prayer, and turn it back on again."

[floral herald]

The reminds me of the funniest way to interpret Star Craft

Where you assume that lasers in the game really do move at light speed and scale accordingly

A normal marine works out to about 1 million meters in height

[soft willow]

Old humanity was Starcraft confirmed.

[thin ibex]

Exterminatus? Actually just a light artillery shell fired by the very weakest of old humanity's weapons

[long void]

They were so big because their Pi was exactly 3. 😉

[thin ibex]

Old humanity would eat necron tombs as snacks

[floral herald]

Planets used to be a lot bigger see

Then they used weapons too much and now they're all small

[thin ibex]

makes sense

thats what happens when you use weapons too much

things get small

[long void]

things really took a downturn when we stopped measuring in cubits

[thin ibex]

Old humanity could do no-handed push ups

old humanity being "internet chuck norris facts" and the old everything in warhammer is named after a person meme format works for me

Few people know that the imperium is named after Jimothy Imperium

[zinc field]

I have a fantheory that 40k humanity is actually smaller, because that's what happens when you stick a bunch of people in a hive city and give them the bare minimum of nutrition. This means that Space Marines are closer to NFL players in size rather than actually superhumanly big

[thin ibex]

over 41 thousand millenia, the "meter" and "foot" units of measurement have actually been reduced over time

[pulsar cairn]

what does Khorne corruption look like btw? Emperor's childred look real weird, nurgle is nurgle, Thousand sons are BIRB

but what kind of mutations do Berserkers get?

bigger muscles and whatnot?

[torn arrow]

Yeah they get swole

They also get red skin, bulls horns

[pulsar cairn]

💪

[torn arrow]

Metallic and bronze stuff, claws

Hooves and wings and tails

[pulsar cairn]

besides the hooves it feels a lot better than what Tzeench people get

[junior summit]

tzeench people also usually get really good magic/psyker bullshit

which is a pretty solid trade

[pulsar cairn]

i see

slaneesh people?

sensorial shit i imagine

besides looking REALLY ugly

[uneven ember]

Yeah but also the crab claws

[pulsar cairn]

why crab

[thin ibex]

I question that regularly

I think it's because warhammer asserts that many slaanesh followers are hornby for crab

[desert jay]

No one knows why crab

[uneven ember]

Not sure if it's ever established beyond a visual theme with Slaansah's daemons

My personal answer, which may be overthinking things, is that Slaanesh is greedy and lustful, but also it destroys whatever it holds.

[pulsar cairn]

so crab just because

[thin ibex]

Pretty much, if you want an out of universe answer, it was probably just a nice aesthetic juxtaposition next to the more curvy lines of slaaneshi daemons

And I think buys into some of the alien vibes of deep-sea creatures to make the slaanesh aesthetic more ethereal

In universe it confirms that the collective subconscious mind of living creatures in the galaxy thirst for crab

[uneven ember]

I think my answer works.
The claws are always greedy and grasping, but whatever they hold is ruined so the only thing to do is discard it and look for something else.

[thin ibex]

It's also at some level a nice change of pace from "more claws"

[long void]

Tzeentch - Birds
Khorne - Bulls
Slaanesh - Crab
Nurgle - Flies?

[thin ibex]

Swamp creatures mostly

Flies, toads, carnivorous plants

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75v8x2VIVyE this is a cool video about it

[pulsar cairn]

also necron scarabs are my new favorite thing for all the wrong reasons

[pulsar cairn]

ooohh

[naive abyss]

khorne is not bulls lol

shouts in angry hashut fan noises

[pastel rampart]

Khorne is dogs, if anything.

[naive abyss]

yeah dog

[pastel rampart]

Slaanesh also has bull heads for reasons.

[naive abyss]

i was gonna say "devil"

but i get were going for animals

[pulsar cairn]

maybe not the followers but his daemons do have some bull stuff

oh wait

maybe goat

that would explain why they are so angry all the time

[pastel rampart]

Goats are universal to chaos, for the most part.

Leaning into that SATANIC PANIC WOOOO shit.

[pulsar cairn]

but khorne got them angry goats

[upper canopy]

Bloodthirsters constantly change animals

[pulsar cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/lamb-sheep-shaun-bully-run-gif-16671715

[upper canopy]

they used to be dogs

[pastel rampart]

For 3e 40k and 6e WHFB, yes.

[jagged dawn]

glances at Doombulls

[thin ibex]

khorne is obviously cone heads

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1166140007581483099/23rd2BFebruary2B20162B003.png?ex=65496783&is=6536f283&hm=f20bd962747fa6bf9fc67d81ae6c24d2b0af5c92b439bfe5abd94559d7a6f29b&

[naive abyss]

tbh you could argue khorne is rhinos

[thin ibex]

look at bloodletters

[pastel rampart]

Original bloodletters were weird wiggly bois

[naive abyss]

due the the cavalry

[thin ibex]

they have cone heads

oh yeah fair

also

[pastel rampart]

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/575ad3b159827e899d8ac2c9/1680880191332-VMPSAB78BGGS0H7RDWZD/C1426EDF-8A8B-4B56-A653-4C788CD6422C.jpeg

[thin ibex]

old bloodletters

look sick

as wiggly boys

[pastel rampart]

Next version were more classic demons/gargoyles

[thin ibex]

tbh

[pastel rampart]

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2Uy_mDuY6Ds/TvTnL3K3GQI/AAAAAAAADFA/fQB93BEHEH0/s1600/LAD-Bloodletters.jpg

[thin ibex]

they looks so much more alien

as wiggly bois

[pastel rampart]

3rd ed had these, and then the new plastics are the current.

[naive abyss]

i feel they all have their own appeal

like i sorta like the 3e more for fantasy

[pulsar cairn]

i like to think they sing and dance

[naive abyss]

but the wigglies or the current ones work better for 40k

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. The current ones take obvious inspiration from the OG bloodletters.

[thin ibex]

the 3e look like red spikey beastmen to me, which i guess is the problematic overlap for me

[naive abyss]

i mean i guess?

ngl maybe this is me being big into beastmen

but theyre pretty visually distinct

also i like the idea of beastmen sorta looking like daemons in some oof their shared visual language in fantasy

since they are the literal "children" of chaos lol

[thin ibex]

feels like if you just painted these guys different, you could pretty much get teh 3e bloodletters

[pastel rampart]

Different heads on the bloodletters.

I'm still miffed that I can't seem to find any STL that comes close to those bloodletters.

[naive abyss]

and body shape

and lack of body spikes

[pastel rampart]

Yeah

[pastel rampart]

If you wanted to get that look without trying to find the old metal models you could get regular beastmen as a base and sculpt new heads, spikes, etc.

Bestigors wouldn't be a bad base, just like...different heads would be needed. And some Khorne symbols.

[naive abyss]

mm mm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7Zg9MT0cEw&t=1s&ab_channel=T%26GProductions

man its always funny to me how much better beastmen look with not the weird pale skin paintjob gw does

like the newer minotarus go from horrible walking ballsacks to like ok

[pastel rampart]

Beastmen was my first WHFB army!

...and then 7e rolled around and killed it.

Because I decided "yeah sure slaanesh minotaur army sounds fun" and, welp.

[thin ibex]

You know what a cool mechanic for a weapon would be in 40k? A " the worse your wound roll, the better your damage"

[naive abyss]

yeah your minotaur one

ive always loved beastmen fluff and art

and the herdstone model for aos fucks so hard

[pastel rampart]

I probably coulda kept it and used it for OPR, in retrospect.

[naive abyss]

just for years the models felt off

and it took me seeing other paintjobs to realize it was another case of gw fucking up the paintjobs imo

like this minotaur actually looks cool!

and not like the worlds angriest ballsack lol

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. It's still like uuuuuh 14 years old at this point and you can tell with how boxy the musculature is (also seriously what is WITH those feet)

[floral herald]

I fucken love these guys

These wriggly poorly defined things with swords

[pastel rampart]

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/bloodletters-1986.jpg

The best is without the upper body.

Just wiggly armless torsos

[modern tiger]

does this look good for wargear on this votann list?

[thin ibex]

Looks good to me

[naive abyss]

for sure. but its like the diff between just horendous and like old but fine

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

If I found'em for cheap like, yeah sure I'd pick'em up and paint'em.

Tho I do love the old metal minotaurs.

[naive abyss]

valid

theres good stls out there too obv

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-minotaur-lord-209132

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/avatars-of-war/the-beastmen-minotaur-lord-by-avatars-of-war

truly a kickstarter after your wallet slim

[pastel rampart]

Hah.

And yeah thankfully there's a ton of STLs. Pretty sure someone scanned the old metal models too.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/QZ0AAOSw4XxlBxja/s-l1600.jpg

I got this kicking around somewhere.

[naive abyss]

nice

i think its wild that ive yet to find a like hippogryph night i like more than the oldish metal one gw made

ive found some decent ones

but they still are not quite as good as this one for me

[pastel rampart]

https://www.coolminiornot.com/pics/pics16/img506ad26e81175.jpg also got TWO of this guy.

Old-ass Keeper of Secrets the size of a minotaur.

[naive abyss]

huh