Warhammer and Such

[solemn gull]

He does

I loved his art challenge

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/v1O3AD

[pastel rampart]

Ah, the mold I've been using for plaguebearers finally bit the dust.

Pour one out for a real one.

[naive abyss]

[pastel rampart]

Well, I still have the masters so I can always remake it.

[dense sedge]

I'm hoping that GSC get a rocket launcer team, tat would be cool

[past sphinx]

did some somewhat heavy converting to get a dorf flamer for the gang

@naive abyss you may enjoy as a fellow short king enthusiest

[naive abyss]

vibe

[past sphinx]

i think i nailed the I CANNOT BE TRUSTED ALONE WITH LIGHTERS look

[naive abyss]

lol yeah

tweaked a bit more and its more or less the final at least foundational fluff i think

[pastel rampart]

btw if you want an easy way to do ribbed tubing: roll the GS tube under a plastic comb.

[past sphinx]

ah shit thanks

[uneven ember]

oh nice

[pastel rampart]

You'll get the same consistency so you can't really make like, bigger or smaller ribs but for most stuff it's fine.

[crisp lance]

https://vxtwitter.com/Kabooski01/status/1714253621523628047

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/art/pipe-cable-tentacle-roller-complete If you have a printer on hand you can make your own roller too

[uneven ember]

heh! that's a neat little device

[pulsar cairn]

could you folks give examples of the Aeldari being petty?

[runic swallow]

Well, that’s half of DEldar stuff

Lot of petty beefs

But unfortunately I can’t get something off the top of my head

[pulsar cairn]

what about cratf worlders being petty?

[jaunty dawn]

roller plates are very addictive

[lofty warren]

Very good digibash

[dense sedge]

I wonder how dark mec would look

[uneven ember]

"AM but spikier?"

everyone knows evil is spiky

[desert jay]

Spikier and in more black

So basically goth

Jokes aside, probably a whole bunch of daemon engine shit, possibly including daemon engine cybernetics

Maybe throw in some salvaged/reverse-engineered xenos tech too

[past sphinx]

More insectile

[naive abyss]

skaven but space

like and the warp lightining cannons is fueled by like five psykers being tortured instead of a funny rock

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/comments/17a3dfv/new_berserks_named_the_9_to_5_shift/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[modern tiger]

P L E A S E give me darkmech,,,

[mental birch]

You get Vashtor and you'll like it

:p

[spice flicker]

I'd love to see dark mech happen (mechanicus was one of my favorite horus heresy books) but more than likely the closest we'd get is someone with vashtor as a cawl proxy alongside kitbashed ad mech forces. I hate to say

[tepid stratus]

Armour done, skin in progress

[pulsar cairn]

does the Thousand sons warbands have any loyalty to Tzeench? I'm asking cause i know that doesn't matter to Tzeench

[mental birch]

Lol no

[tired cairn]

They kind of hate him but keep doing what Tzeentch wants unwittingly, right?

[chilly scroll]

Opinion is somewhat split and loyalty is a bit of a nebulous concept

[unreal cosmos]

The impression I get is they dislike Tzeench as an entity but are all about the principles he embodies

[chilly scroll]

There are certainly those that take the gifts of Tzeentch happily

[pastel rampart]

It depends entirely on the warband, basically.

[chilly scroll]

As with most chaos, ye

You are comparatively less likely to find blind devotion though given the Rubric left only the strongest standing

[pastel rampart]

Tzeentchian warbands are the only ones out of the 4 where some are trying to defy Tzeentch in some ass-backwards away. Ahriman most notably.

Every other warband following a chaos god is all-in on it.

[chilly scroll]

Wellll

DG certainly will also have those less all-in

Mortarion is the shining example of such, even

[pastel rampart]

Morty is a bit of an outlier there I think. Most other DG characters are pretty happy with Pappa Nurgle.

[chilly scroll]

They don't really have much of a choice in the matter, more so than other gods

So you're looking for the distinction between "willing to do as they're told" and "happy to do as they're told"

[naive abyss]

I like undivided chaos who are super in

It's why I like chaos warriors and why I like WB

and why I made a warriors group so in on undivided they hate aligned warbands lol

[unreal cosmos]

I suspect I know the answer to this but how tricky is it to convert Heresy vehicles with the same chassis, like a Spartan into a Typhon? I feel like if people were selling conversion kits I'd have heard by now

[thin ibex]

i kind like the undevided chaos warrior vibe of a warrior who sees the gods as nothing but tools to their own power and thus need to carefully balance their devotions and offerings to retain their intependence (or their illusion of it depending on the story)

a sort of damned transactional relationship rather than one of religious fervor

[chilly scroll]

Abaddon.jpg

[naive abyss]

For my group they see them as parasites

Like within my fluff they draw power from "pure" chaos

Which surfaces as evil glow energy and bale fire

And what exactly they are drawing on is very vague and conceptual but somehow it works

It's like the anti chaos god whose name I forget but more as a philosophy than a god lol

[runic swallow]

May I perhaps interest you in eternal siege warfare, big guns, demons only used as artillery shell payloads or robot pilots, and a heavy interest in marking industrial hazards?

If you like these things and crippling depression, the Iron Warriors are for you!

[floral herald]

Hey! Those hazards are properly marked!

[runic swallow]

Exactly! We care about industrial saftey!

Which is why we mark all our dangerous equipment with proper warning labels!

Such as all our soldiers and weaponry!

The Iron Warriors: We have a better safety record in our factories than the Mechanicus.*

*Better safety record does not imply or attest to low amounts of industrial accidents, maimings, deaths, or mutations, only a comparative but slightly lesser level

[thin ibex]

Oh I'm already an iron warriors fan lol

My favorite chaos factions in no order are generally alpha legion, iron warriors, and black legion. But I do also like the thousands sons and world eaters

[runic swallow]

Alpha Legion is also very neat

[thin ibex]

Did a quick "a bit of everything" list with allies

Oh those cultists should have autoguns woops

If alpha legion ever got their own book it would be cool to lead cultists with individual csm sergeants

[runic swallow]

Yeah, Alpha Legion definitely have that whole military advisor role going on

Doing the thing special forces guys were in large part originally trained to do: spin up or expand an insurgency with just a few elite guys advising and training the local forces

[naive abyss]

I'd still love traitor guard or a cult codex Ngl

[runic swallow]

Yeah

[naive abyss]

Like I beg give us non marine chaos lol

[runic swallow]

The cultist army in HH kinda fills that role, I remember they had a bunch of neat modifiers to change the vibe of your particular army

Like going from them being brainwashed cultists, cybernetic dudes, beastmen, etc

[rocky shale]

Hey, the CSM codex does have one stat block for traitor guardsmen

That's basically a codex

[naive abyss]

[solemn gull]

I’m still playing 9th

[obsidian flume]

I feel like my ideal traitor guardsman faction would be about exploring different aspects of the chaos gods than the space marines do

[solemn gull]

Also what do people here think of the whole inq28 movement

[thin ibex]

no idea what that is?

[solemn gull]

Kind of hard to explain

[long void]

Massive kitbashing and diy rulesets

[solemn gull]

Yeah that sums it up

Also kind of a art thing

[long void]

Turnip28 kinda spun off from that mindset

[solemn gull]

Yeah its a movement

[long void]

inq28 is pretty much the best avenue for me to get the aesthetic i want in 40k

[naive abyss]

I just recall it being allot of the grimdark aesthetic and the sorta vibes modern mordheim gives me

[jaunty dawn]

oh

I thought inq28 was just people playing inqusitor with 28mm models

[naive abyss]

That's the basis of the name and part of it yeah I think lol

[long void]

probably started that way, then turned into a broader umbrella

[solemn gull]

Yeah thats the timeline

[unreal cosmos]

I could use a FOMO reality check

So I have a general game plan for building a 30k army, which I've talked about here before, and at least at present it involves a bunch of MkIII bodies (to convert into Breachers) and at least one Proteus to haul them around. With that in mind the new box set feels pretty tempting (even though I would probably resell the Dorito).

However, that box doesn't have stuff like characters I'd need to actually field the army, and I'll need time to figure out how I'm gonna go about the Breacher conversions. So should I just go for Age of Darkness, or jump at the limited-time savings on some key plastic?

For the record I do also plan on getting AoD, but I worry getting two big boxes at once will just create a pile of shame.

[floral herald]

I'd do the time limited thing now and worry about AoD later

[long void]

If you'll have fun painting the characters, go for those.

[unreal cosmos]

Yeah that's part of it, I think I could start painting AoD sooner

[desert jay]

They also have the traitor enforcer datasheet, that’s two!

But 3 of each unit is only 405 points total so even boarding action is gonna need some cultists to fill it out

[long void]

True, and you can use the infantry to test out a couple different techniques for your color scheme

[upper canopy]

This meme is still really funny

I'm going through my files

and I just found this again

[thin ibex]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CyakyUftj2D/?viewer=true

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[naive abyss]

I think I'll have my dukedom have an ongoing orc problem

Cuz bretts vs orcs is a cool aesthetic

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1714645965989150873?t=ufKBSitN6Bp2QM58DENbdA&s=19

[deft crest]

FLESH HOUND on my shadespire team was a fucking nightmare to the point that i can't play khorne against my BF in that game

[upper canopy]

send your BF that meme

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/BitsHammer/status/1714428100782809166?t=DRZdv9qIy_JzdbgOsXdmDQ&s=19

[pastel rampart]

"Was this Ferrus again?" - Robby G, probably

[naive abyss]

It's apparently before lotd

[pastel rampart]

Yeah by like 2 millenia.

Though with the way the warp is, could still be them (somehow)

[wide veldt]

LMAO

"fuck off with this"

"ghost ass bitch"

[upper canopy]

Ghosts > Chaos This Post Made By Grand Alliance Death

[lofty warren]

chaos ghosts

[upper canopy]

whoa now

[pulsar cairn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1092420540922343444.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

chaos foks

[thin ibex]

you know, orkz get little one man helicopters

primaris should have a lil helicopter with a lil primaris head sticking up out of it like the gunners for the speeders

[pulsar cairn]

tru

[past sphinx]

i fear no man

but that thing, it scares me

[naive abyss]

tbh my hot take is if any imperial faction gets a ghost unit it should be the sob imo

like via some weird desperate thing they find out with the right combination of prayers and rituals they can summon sanctified spirits of old sob or something

[thin ibex]

dont we already have ghosts in the form of the legion of the damned or whatever?

[naive abyss]

how canon or a thing they are these days is debatable

also id more call those imperial daemons ngl lol

i mean like honest to gods ghosts

[wide veldt]

Does the thing where you can play with different imperial armies combined still exist?

[lofty warren]

soup

[thin ibex]

nah not really? You can have allies from imperial agents, knights, and titans

but you can't really wombo combo armies

[lofty warren]

they should make a dogs of war

but for warhammer

40k

[thin ibex]

they did make dogs of war, but not like the fantasy one lol

the chaos knights armigers are dogs of war

[naive abyss]

so xenos mercenaries

[junior summit]

legion are canon

[naive abyss]

noted

[lofty warren]

and human!

[thin ibex]

just like an ensemble "Mercenaries of the 40k universe" book?

id vibe with that, that'd be pretty cool

needa bespoke orky merc KT, though i suppose kommandos kinda fit that

we already have kroot farstalkers that are heavily mercc'd up

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/tim-gunn-eww-gross-yuck-meme-disgusting-sticks-tongue-out-gif-25378754

[lofty warren]

rogue traders can be cool

[naive abyss]

i stand by xenos mercs

[thin ibex]

would be cool to feature bespoke mercenary renegade sm

[lofty warren]

space marine mercenaries

[naive abyss]

we have enough stinky humans

[lofty warren]

bleh

stupid

bad

look im tired of humans as much as the next

but i like funny silly hats

[naive abyss]

xenos can have funny hats

are you saying they cant?

hell the funnies hats in warhammer are not human made

[thin ibex]

i wonder who else would have mercs. Eldar corsairs? Maybe Ranger mercs... Drukharii if hte payment is in people, I don't know if necrons would have mercs. LoV explicitly do have mercs and do merc work but would still be cool to have a unit more like... merc coded if that makes sense

nids definitely wouldn't have mercs

[naive abyss]

i mean ngl

xeno mercs should not be any existing xenos faction

gimme the weird shit

[thin ibex]

I mean, they already do exist, it would be weird to specifically exclude them

[naive abyss]

would it?

[thin ibex]

from a book about mercs

yeah

it would

[naive abyss]

i dont really see why ngl

[thin ibex]

because its a book about mercs, but not THESE mercs, because arbitrary reasons

[naive abyss]

because we dont need even more rep of the existing

its a wargame give us new sculpts not just an excuse to reuse existing sculpts

[thin ibex]

It'd also be weird to intro mercs as a concept and then not allow the explicitly mercenary units that exist not be mercs because "they already exist"

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1579242612254724096?lang=en

i mean human mercs exist and id be annoyed at humans being in it

like i want wolfdawgs arts vibe tbh

[thin ibex]

Like kroot farstalkers exist. They are mercs. Possibly the most merc coded unit out there rn. If they aren't allowed to be "mercs" because they are a unit that already exists, that would be weird af to me

[naive abyss]

i mean heres my stance the more of prexisting stuff they shove in the less actual new stuff wed likely get. thats where my issue lies in it.

i dont want a new faction just to sell the same kits.

like if letting in all the existing ones didnt likely cause a noticeable lack of new kits then sure they can be in

[lofty warren]

wolfdawg should make their own 40k with blackjack

and hookers

their designs are always rad

[naive abyss]

theyre one of my fave warhammer fantartists

[thin ibex]

mostly what id want is just page space devoted to giving merc rules to existing "merc" units, but not photo space or lore space, since those are already in their own respective locations. A sort of "Oh you already have something thats a merc, here's how you can incorporate it"

[naive abyss]

for sure thatd be fine

[thin ibex]

Via like... "they have this keyword now, and this keyword works with any army with X limitations" or whatever

[naive abyss]

but like as someone whose already use to gw and is currently watching gw do its thing with old world a bit. id just not trust them to not go "one new kit the rest are just all the mercs tm we already made"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpxKiK55cLM&ab_channel=WarhammerAgeofSigmar%3ARealmsofRuin

i feel like warhammer total war has made it where this game looks weird to my brain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5Mq-Jk4E0w&t=3s&ab_channel=TabletopTime

[pastel rampart]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6tw0VZXMAAxhlY?format=jpg&name=900x900

[brittle salmon]

The Salamander in Pariah Nexus fucked

[upper canopy]

Yeah Sa'khan was cool

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/citiesofsigmar/comments/17821wn/my_final_fantasy_cities_project_grows/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

this is so cool

kinda wanna fit horseclaw/chocobo/axebeaks into some project now

[pastel rampart]

Well there's The Old World right around the corner 🙃

[naive abyss]

lol yeah

obviously some bretts found some birds to ride in estalia or something lol

[jaunty dawn]

probably gonna do wood elf if any for old world and they already have deer that I love and regular giant eagles

[dense sedge]

Nice, I thought it would slaves, but tzeentch is cool. I do wish they had cooler human models though, their tzaangor and kairic acolytes are the weakest designs of the human cultists of the devoted facions

[junior summit]

rangers do merc stuff for rogue traders semiregularly

I really need to start checking the timestamps for stuff that I respond to

[naive abyss]

i like tzaangors but the kairic are very not the vibe for me

[naive abyss]

valid

[naive abyss]

ngl i wouldve loved slaves

but im biased

cuz im a forever slut for chaos warriors

[naive abyss]

i hope brettonia gets hoppogryph models

cuz ngl i prefer those to the pegasus

—Lord Gildas Frangeau, Bretonnian Noble```

this dude gets it

[naive abyss]

did some more tweaks with the big one being me realizing in fluff i cant really add dukedoms so made it a barony lol

[cloud flicker]

Sometimes I wish I was a monkey.

Instead of an orange.

[lofty warren]

I have good news

[naive abyss]

its finally done done i think lol

[pulsar cairn]

@lofty warren gib the goo news

[pulsar cairn]

did they get wrecked by the space wolves or something?

[naive abyss]

?

This is meant to be warhammer fantasy fluff lol

[upper canopy]

New balance slate is up

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997877148675215390/1164546373014786149/F8zadoXbEAA0ZK0.png?ex=65439b53&is=65312653&hm=10152a4d775baf03fb34fc3e3aa4cfca7b62749b08e2a965f63806f34d557523&

Game seems in a healthy state looks like

[tired cairn]

Huh, I'm surprised at Orks

[upper canopy]

Yeah same

I'm wondering where the fuck they came from

[pastel rampart]

Never underestimate da boys

[pine matrix]

It's so over fellow Kabalists

[pulsar cairn]

dang my joke didn't land

[tired cairn]

Do we know when the next data slate is supposed to be?

[naive abyss]

Mann i forgot how kick ass some of the fantasy orc sculpts are

[chilly scroll]

the metamonday guy's 5-week WRs aren't quite so healthy tbf

[naive abyss]

And it being gorbad means this sculpt could totally return

[chilly scroll]

not a huge amount in the higher side, but there are a few armies pulling lower WRs than the above

[naive abyss]

Man Ngl I am remembering how cool og orcs are

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/10/wfb-hobby-creating-da-boss.html

Like this fucks

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/19/heresy-thursday-deliver-dreadnoughts-and-shield-generators-with-more-drop-pods/ ooh, I didn't know about the shield generators, that's cool

[naive abyss]

And on top of it gobos share the love

[chilly scroll]

Comparison with the GW stats

[thin ibex]

Looks like the armies able to go wide are climbing

Thanks to the recent point drops

Lov loving the grudge changes too

[chilly scroll]

the midrange are certainly very healthy, much more so than pre-dataslate

it's just those sub-45s that sting

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJfNBMMZYBY Hmmmm

[naive abyss]

Idk why but I love orcs on boars

Btw somewhat bizarre question but how like badly would putting aos models on square bases mess up gameplay?

[floral herald]

Old one creation bros WW@

[pastel rampart]

Some AOS bases are way larger than WHFB. Chariots are on 120x92mm in AOS, whereas they were on 100x50mm in fantasy.

Largest infantry base was 25mm in fantasy, now it's 32mm in AOS.

Now you can get around some of this by putting square bases atop AOS ones when playing, usually with some blu-tac.

[mental birch]

Hahaha tau are fine

[thin ibex]

hmm anyone got a 40k list theme for me to run around with?

[naive abyss]

Lol noted

[thin ibex]

You see that a Tau go-wide list heavily featuring Kroot did fairly well in a recent tourney?

[mental birch]

Yes

Tau go wide is nuts

[thin ibex]

thought that was pretty cool

happy to see krootox riders lol

[mental birch]

Like with the current points IMO it's the strongest list

Being able to sit down and declare

[upper canopy]

Space Marines but it's "oops all other Imperials" as much as possible

[mental birch]

"I am scoring 100 good luck"

Is very good

[thin ibex]

hmmm, ok, I'm unsure how much I can do with ally rules as they are... but I suppose I'll find out

[mental birch]

Agents of the imperium

Sound of the police

[pulsar cairn]

thoughts on the 40k card game?

[upper canopy]

Which?

There's like 3

[thin ibex]

combat cards? was fun, and decently possible without money; last time i played, a lot less friendly to free players imo

not particularly complex

[pulsar cairn]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1985170/Warhammer_40000_Warpforge/

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[thin ibex]

ive not tried that one i think

I've only done combat cards

[pine matrix]

@naive abyss I know I'm late to the party but I love Fantasy Orcs and Goblins, Grimgor is one of my fave characters, just the hardest motherfucker ever

[naive abyss]

I'm fond of the gobo characters and gorbad

[pine matrix]

Skarsnit and Grom are my favourite gobbos. Grom's whole deal of being a super-sized goblin rules (especially making his goblins not fear elves), and Karak Eight Peaks being a free-for-all between the Skaven, Dwarves and Goblins is so much fun

I don't know so much about AoS Orcs and Goblins but one thing I really loved about Fantasy greenskins is they don't just break stuff, they break your shit, kick your ass and then get dug in. Half the issue with reclaiming dwarven holds is the defences can often still be used, just now by orcs

[obtuse violet]

Been rereading the siege of terra books to ramp up towards the The End and the Death V2, and jeez, I really think they are quite well done.

[unreal cosmos]

Had an idea for edgy Horus Heresy Ultras that wouldn't have any mechanical effect and would be inefficient to source bits, but: give random characters specialist weapons from enemy legions, say they're trophies

Ever since I heard the story about that censured guy at Calth I've liked the idea of "Ultramarines like mucking about with weird swords"

[thin ibex]

thats why yvraine and robbie G get along so well

swords

honestly they say that the Ynnari are all about the nascent eldar god of the dead, but I think its just the nerdiest sword nerds in the entire Aeldari species forming their own sword cult

"Haha yeah, we need to find the like 5 coolest swords in Aeldari history. For the Ynnead of course. Definitely."

[naive abyss]

My main thing with aos greenskins is I adore gloomspite

Just gobos dialed up to ten

[pine matrix]

For real, they do rock

[naive abyss]

Ye ye

[pulsar cairn]

i like that dragon mount they have

the one they gotta beat on a screaming competition before they can tame it

what was it called again?

[upper canopy]

Mawkrusha?

The big one?

[pulsar cairn]

yes!

[naive abyss]

It always looks like a roided wyvern to me which isn't necessarily a bad thing lol

[quaint compass]

And wyverns were the flying mounts of Old World orcs

[pulsar cairn]

i like it cause of how grumpy it is

[naive abyss]

Valid

[jaunty dawn]

mawkrusha is awesome

love those grumpy lookin guys

[naive abyss]

My fave mount model for aos is probably some of the stuff stormcast have

Like the new characters dragon and the hippohryphs

[thin ibex]

oh stop the presses, new recruit has the new detachments for SM?

gotta make a new wolfspear list using vanguard detachment

[quaint compass]

Built like a movie poster

[thin ibex]

lol something i just realized, Wolf Scouts now cost like 40 more points than a normal scout squad

putting a lot of value on that power weapon being an option

[thin ibex]

not very meta, but it feels cool

going back through and adjusting theme lists with more appropriate detachments feels fun

[thin ibex]

gun drone?

[past sphinx]

Does this quite read as gun drone?

Ah yeah

my love of SHIV trandscendes XCOM

[junior robin]

finally, tau accepting the superior gun technology

[past sphinx]

well the ironhead borrowed a few spare drone parts a while back

[thin ibex]

Tau gun drone with a pump action shotgun taped to it energy

[spice flicker]

So humble bundle has an interesting offer related to the warhammer ttrpgs.

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3229jLG_v8&t=330s&ab_channel=TheDrunkenOrk

man this conversion fucks

[jaunty dawn]

contrast paint is so satisfying on a big organic models

starting on my psychophage

[thin ibex]

im trying to use a contrast for the soft cloth elements of my tau atm

so far seems to work?

[jaunty dawn]

it's really good with a preshade

[thin ibex]

im a dumb butt of course and my basecoat is a metallic, so the bloth always seems vaguely metallic unless i do more than one layer

pre-shade like an oil pass or?

[jaunty dawn]

ah in that scenario I'd recommend getting back to a matte black by brushing on abaddon black or equiv

preshade is when you like, paint the value (light-to-dark) and then add the colour on top

notably you can do so really quick with a zenithal spray (spraying white on a dark base from above so the top gets highlighted) or by drybrushing the same (highlighting the raised areas of the model, like in slapchop)

and then with a translucent coat like a shade/glaze or a contrast paint the value will show through but be tinted the desired hue

[thin ibex]

ahh yeah, so im working with fewer resources so I'd say that its prolly not an option atm

though i do have abby black if i wanted to do additional passes

gotta weigh how much i want to for basic firewarriors vs if i think im fine with/happy with not doing so

[naive abyss]

this paint job fucks

[pastel rampart]

Very good NMM

[thin ibex]

also still gotta test my accent color for my battlesuits

its like a bright pink/purple

which looks pretty nice in that it pops

[pulsar cairn]

btw

age og sigmar orks

in 40k green skin is a slur

what about age of sigmar tho

are they actually called green skins?

[naive abyss]

yeah its like not shiny nmm its like grungey nmm which idk i dont see often and it looks great

[naive abyss]

as a collective whole yes

[naive abyss]

also idk if its even like a slur ngl lol

i think its just a convenient umbrella term to say all variants of violent fungoid that were dealing with

[pulsar cairn]

i asked about that once and folks said yes so i just thought of it that way ever since

[naive abyss]

fair

im genuinely not sure ngl

like i could see it going either way

[pulsar cairn]

yeh

like...even if it aint a slur it sure sounds like one

[naive abyss]

for sure

[jaunty dawn]

it kinda is but is also probably the orks preferred collective term at the same time

[pulsar cairn]

not that the orks would care they would probably take that as a compliment

[naive abyss]

also like it helps prevent when writing about them from just saying ork so often it becomes a meaningless word to the reader lol

[jaunty dawn]

which isn't necessarily contradictory

[naive abyss]

for sure

i have no like strong feelings

ive just never really though of that so much as an umbrella term and way to like vary word usage in the writing lol

on another note. im like so bemused at this critique of the new bretonnian foot knights lol

if only cuz this is one of my fave "classic" warhammer fantasy models

cuz like giant gorgets are just sorta a universal thing to me in warhammer lol

[past sphinx]

that model fucks pretty hard

makes me sad its only brettonia getting a refresh rn

ive played historicals GW gimmie the weird shit

[naive abyss]

well its not a refresh really

but supposedly tomb kings, empire, and orc/gobs are getting a few new things too

the one im happy about is the boar chariot for the lads getting updated based on current rumors

[past sphinx]

new imperial models mean new theoretic mordhiem fodder tho

[naive abyss]

i mean mordheims not just imperials

but i mean sure yeah

[past sphinx]

like 6 are imperial related if you count vampires witch ill admit are only imperial as they are counts

out of 13

err 12

[lofty warren]

its modeled after how a lot of real world slurs work

which iiiis uncomfortabe!

[past sphinx]

if it makes you feel better they are ostenisbly the worst thing you could ever meet

pound for pound

[naive abyss]

i mean i guess?

theres a very decent argument thats a daemon or like various other chaos things

[thin ibex]

If you're slinging slurs at an ork, you probably don't like them. If you don't like them, you're more likely to try to kill them. Trying to kill them means a fight. Orks like fighting

Ergo, orks likely actively encourage terms of derision amongst the other races and factions in the setting

Also, if you yell an insult at an ork, it's a great excuse to attack you, regardless if whether or not they felt insulted

[naive abyss]

i still love the ork/orc word for dwarfs

stunties

its just such peak orciness of a word

[thin ibex]

I'm the farsight novels the orks refer to the tau as "gun-runts"

[naive abyss]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-happy-dance-praise-yas-excited-gif-18656424

[jaunty dawn]

Painted a night world camo howling griffons sergeant :)

just as a one off thing

inspired by lots of nights falling asleep to cult of paint haha

need to go back and brighten up the weapon markings

need to invest some time into a proper shooting box one of these days

[unreal cosmos]

nice nice

[unreal cosmos]

I like her headdress thingy

[uneven ember]

Oh I like that.
It does seem like a very... reasonable compromise for a Howling Griffon.

[jaunty dawn]

:D

[uneven ember]

I mean all power to anyone who wats to do the quad-color thing

[naive abyss]

the heads overall fuck ngl

like unironically the new foot knights sorta sold me on the fantasy of bretonnia lol

[past sphinx]

1

WARNING : FUCKMOTHERING STORMBOLTER

granted most people dont need the hazard stripes to realize that the storm bolter should be avoided but in the name of safety it was reccomended

by space OSHA

hmm, should have gotten a "no dont eat" and "front towards enemy" in there

[uneven ember]

ooohhhh, nice!

(But yeah, who is putting hazard stripes on everything? "In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war, and the occupational safety and health administration"')

[past sphinx]

for one it looks cool and humans like that but also i think its something that sort of lost its meaning in 40,000 years?

like from industerial hazard to just anything thats hazardous

like a gun

or a space marine

[uneven ember]

Yeah I actually had seen that suggested, and whatever I dig it.
The association of black and yellow stripes retains some association with danger, so people use it to be threatening.

Of course, this is 40K, where the aliens who got robo-skeletonized happened to have a pyramids-and-scarabs aesthetic during the later Cretatious period, "it's just like that don't worry about it" is the only answer to like 90% of the setting.

[past sphinx]

and fucking jokero

its just a monke

jokearo?

Librarians.

Ook

[uneven ember]

They had the Mayor Dave mini handy.

[past sphinx]

dare i ask whomst

[uneven ember]

Judge Dredd. For a while Mega-City One elected an orangutan named Dave to be Mayor.
Not, like, a hyperintelligent orangutan or an orangutan that could speak or anything. They just voted an ape from a zoo to be mayor because who doesn't love an orangutan?

and Citadel used to make Judge Dredd minis back in the day, and so when they were writing their original IP do not steal they put in the Arbites and the Jokero for anyone who, y'know, might happen to have some Judge Dredd minis sitting around the house.

[past sphinx]

god its been a really long time since ive read dredd

[uneven ember]

Dredd is great, and also you definitely get an idea of just how much, uh, inspiration the old GW crew was getting from their copies of 2000 AD

[past sphinx]

Dredd is something i love but i cannot reccomend to anyone because boy when the joke is facism sometimes it just reads as facism and people aint that good at reading these days

not a strong decade for reading comprehension

[uneven ember]

Have any of them been

[past sphinx]

Yeah, genuinely literacy has been kinda cratering in the US over the past 2 decades ish

[naive abyss]

man ngl im still puzzled by why i really like bretts vs orcs/gobs

like its still not dorf vs orc/gobs but still

[past sphinx]

well its the english vs the french

you can root for both sides to lose

[naive abyss]

and for some bizarre reason my brain doesnt demand i make my warhammer fantasy army ideas be paired off in rival sets

maybe due to the fact like they all can concievably encounter each other while still being my own made up blorbos

seeing as the setting where most shit happens is smaller than the continental US lol

[past sphinx]

ill give AoS this i think their Orrcks or whatever have a stronger vibe than the older lands

[naive abyss]

i like gloomspite

but beyond that i prefer the og

the new stuff is good though

just idk im still so in love with boar boyz

and beyond the newer giant boar aos orcs dont really have that for me

i like thats what the gruntas are suppose to be

but i just find their design weird

like its like in a sorta uncanny valley of i know its meant to be a boar of some kind but it isnt really?

love the new big boar though

still debating since seeing the 40k cyboar conersion vid with it if i wanna try to convert it for my 40k warboss or use teh artel model i like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5wJk8_n-Wg&t=3s&ab_channel=FilmdegMiniatures

[verbal ermine]

hmm

[pulsar cairn]

we were talking about "green skims" earlier

and even of it's a stlir i cant help but think about an ork taking that as a compliment

cause "green makes u da best"

[naive abyss]

well in most fluff they love like shit talking

like in all settings talking shit is a past time for them usually lol

[pulsar cairn]

they sure do

[verbal ermine]

hmmmmm
skatros's remind me of the tall boys from Dishonored

minus the shield

[naive abyss]

i can see it yeah

[dense sedge]

the skatross seems pretty controversial, some people love it and lots of others hate it

[verbal ermine]

I absolutely love it

its goofy but in a cool, way

[naive abyss]

its grown on me

[verbal ermine]

besides, don't the admech already have tall, long legged, easy-to-snipe walkers already?

this guy

ironstrider

[lofty warren]

lot of people hate the ironstrider too

i like skatros but its pose leaves something to be desired

conceptually though its great

[zinc field]

I love everything about the ironstrider except its price tag

I started 40k with a box of skitarii, and then realized that I had picked the most expensive army in the game per point of model

At which point I switched to knights

[dense sedge]

yeah, poorhammer did a video on it and ad mech were mathematically the worst

[thin ibex]

I'm a weirdo who likes the ironstrider with auto canons

I know lascannon is like gospel

[runic swallow]

Autocannos have a good kinda mid-range roll, where they can put out enough shots to put a reasonable dent in squads but also be damaging enough to harm a tank/creature and being a tad cheaper

But I guess some of that has gone out the window with the “no cost upgrades” thing

[brittle salmon]

Autocannons are quite solid into Dreads and the like

[uneven ember]

I'm not trying to gatekeep but if someone doesn't love the Ironstrider I have to wonder what they think Warhammer 40,000 is.

[brittle salmon]

I don't like a lot of AdMech models but the Ironstrider does fuck

The Skatros is just amazing

Very silly (positive)

[uneven ember]

"neeeh it's goofy it needs to be really serious like when Vikings in power armor fight space elves with guns that shoot ninja stars"

[past sphinx]

i adore the dumbshit 40k models

the floating chariot being pulled along big giant space wolves?

fuck yeah

[naive abyss]

I mean someone can just not like the design without it being a "it's too goofy" thing lol

[past sphinx]

and in that chariot is a man named Wolf the wolf of the planet wolf? even better

[uneven ember]

Yeah, sorry, you're right, 100% fair.

[naive abyss]

It's like how I don't like the admech transport really

Cuz like it's a bit too just straight ww2 for me lol

[brittle salmon]

Yeah like, I think the AdMech fliers suck aesthetically

[naive abyss]

Also like I know what the HH ones look like

[brittle salmon]

My preference is much more in 30k Taghmata

[naive abyss]

Same though I ping pong a bit

Like I like silly admech but sometimes I wish they still had more of the like Idk cyborg horror

Like its there still but Idk

But yeah it's definitely not a thing of too silly though for me lol

Considering my goof ass Napoleonic militarum lol

[tired cairn]

I mostly wish their ground transport had legs

[upper canopy]

Admech fliers should be biplanes

[naive abyss]

Id have liked like weird vtols

Live just weird like propellor thing

Hell like a 40k gyrocopter would've fit

[brittle salmon]

Give the Mechanicum an Osprey

This is a threat

[past sphinx]

will they fix the problems with the osprey?

[runic swallow]

No

[past sphinx]

good.

[naive abyss]

It's even worse

[runic swallow]

It will demand even more sacrifices

[naive abyss]

Lol

[past sphinx]

fuck hang on i have a picture

[brittle salmon]

Oh it's far worse

[naive abyss]

Lol

[brittle salmon]

Lmao

[runic swallow]

God I love that picture so much

[past sphinx]

this photo pulls me back in time

[runic swallow]

Every time I see it I laugh

[topaz elk]

They maybe could but whatever’s going on with it now is way funnier

[past sphinx]

i feel my knees turn to dust

[naive abyss]

Peak marine corps core

[brittle salmon]

Are you ex-military, Atlas?

[runic swallow]

Similar vibe:

[brittle salmon]

donkeh

[past sphinx]

no i shattered my leg getting hit by a truck, but my entire family is

[brittle salmon]

oof

[past sphinx]

my sister joined the core in my sted

[naive abyss]

Is that a fucking gun mount on a donkey lol

[past sphinx]

they got their blood one way or another

[runic swallow]

Not just a gun, a MK 12 grenade machine gun

Though it’s definitely just being transported

[naive abyss]

Lol

[past sphinx]

theres historical precident for it not to be

[naive abyss]

The first ifv lol

[past sphinx]

THERE CALLED ZOOMBURUK

[runic swallow]

I’m pretty sure you might be able to set it up to fire, but you’d have to train the donkey to not react

[naive abyss]

Lol yeah

[past sphinx]

the one that really got me was diving out of a car on the highway, that got me a pretty cool head scar

i am happy to live a boring life in the woods with my dog now

a very well armed boring life

[dense sedge]

My brother loves the ironstridee but not the skatros

[thin ibex]

Oh huh yeah it does occur to me with auto cannon changes, it shoots most things pretty well, but does not shoot real big things well

Str 9 is solid against, truly, lighter vehicles and all types of infantry

[upper canopy]

Concept

What's in the 40k Skull Nebula

[brittle salmon]

The cliche answer is Khorne

[thin ibex]

Orks, obviously

[brittle salmon]

The funny answer is Tzeentch cultists baiting idiot khornates into coming there

[thin ibex]

Also necrons

[past sphinx]

Halo stars

Chock full of then horrors unknown and unknowable

Can't huck a rock but for striking a eldritch beast from before the concept of thought and life

I love the concept of a halo device, despite all those horrors there's still something in there ticking away

Granted that tech also gives birth to more horrors but ya know

[upper canopy]

https://vxtwitter.com/BitsHammer/status/1714953448918269961

[desert jay]

No appreciation for ornithopters?

[verbal ermine]

Didn't they get one

[desert jay]

Yeah the Archaeopters

[naive abyss]

Ngl i find it hilarious how many times I've had to remind myself this isn't a chaos lord lol

[topaz elk]

Honestly I kinda love it

[naive abyss]

I really like the dragon design

And I continue to be like "yup definitely making this a chaos lord"

[thin ibex]

dragons sided with sigmar ever since that fateful time a dragon just casually survived the end of time and buddied up with sigmar

[upper canopy]

Well that was (implied) to be Sotek

And my headcanon is because they shared the comet

[naive abyss]

This in no way is gonna stop me

And tbh I find it lame that it's just "no dragons for chaos"

When imo they look the coolest on dragons lol

Also early on khorne had a dragon via fw in aos

Idk how canon it is now but still

But either way my lords dragon has fluff to justify it as is lol

[thin ibex]

Oh was it? I'd actually presumed it was one of the sleeping celestial dragons from Calador or possibly the emperor of Cathay

When I'd read that bit like a long long way back, I'd not gathered the idea that it was implied to be Sotek

[naive abyss]

I mean isn't it literally dracothion?

Like I thought it was stated to be him

No yeah it's dracothion

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dracothion

[thin ibex]

oh yep there it is; admittedly I'd read the end times stuff a long ass time ago

and i don't remember the dragon being named there; but it very easily could have been

[upper canopy]

Yeah it's Dracothian but Dracothian is implied to be Sotek

[naive abyss]

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Argentine

[thin ibex]

Is it? Looking through the lexicanum it didn't seem like it?

[naive abyss]

Also it seems there's fluff to support chaos dragons

[thin ibex]

Like it mentions that dracothion had a chat with the slann and felt real bad about the death of the world that was

but didn't seem to imply that they were sotek the whole time

[upper canopy]

Dracothian is a giant star lizard associated with the Heavens, destiny, foresight, friends with Sigmar, enemy of Chaos and ESPECIALLY Skaven

And the Lizardmen are now wholly associated with stars as well

It's never outright confirmed but it makes a ton of sense to me.

[pastel rampart]

I've been working on this undivided chaos warrior army idea and I'm currently going insane by how AoS bases things.

There's shockling no consistency here.

Fucking...chaos knights are on 75x42mm bases, as are the much bigger varanguard. You'd think knights would be on 60x35mm like a lot of other mounted models but nope!

Hellstriders are on 60x35mm, which makes sense! But huh wow Seekers of Slaanesh, which use basically the same goddam mount model, is...70x25mm.

Seekers especially are odd because the PDF that GW put out about base sizes in matched play put them at 60x35, but the webstore has'em on 70x25.

[naive abyss]

Weird

[pastel rampart]

Very.

[naive abyss]

Good thing I'm a collector lol

[pastel rampart]

Like I'm just gonna put seekers on 60x35 since that makes the most sense but knights especially are like...why.

That's a ton of footprint real estate going on.

[naive abyss]

I wonder how archaons base is gonna compare to the new dragon dude

[pastel rampart]

Also another odd thing: daemonettes are on 25mm, whereas plaguebearers, bloodletters, and pink horrors are on 32mm.

For what reason? Fuck if I know.

[pastel rampart]

holy shit archaeon is on a 160mm base

what in the god damn

[naive abyss]

In fairness it's a big model

His mounts way too big tbh

He gets so lost in it

Which is a shame cuz I like the idea of the mount

Just wayyyy to big

It very much suffers from early aos business

[pastel rampart]

It's kind of a mess of a model.

I have the same problem with the bloodthirster in that both are kind of a mess and have a bad silhouette.

[tired cairn]

At least AoS has official base sizes. 40k doesn't and sometimes they just change them lol

[pastel rampart]

God, yeah. 40k has never had official base sizes beyond "what the model came with" which is a real shit way of doing it.

Like cool my 3e daemon prince came on a 40mm base, what'cha gonna do about it

[naive abyss]

Tbh I've recently fallen in love with the old gorbad model

wrong base here but just Idk it's just good to me lol

Similar feelings about the boar boyz tbh

Also I'm oddly nostalgic for this specific style of box gw hadlol

[thin ibex]

on a completely seperate note, boards that big in all honesty are far more terrifying than i think they're given credit for

[naive abyss]

That big as in what?

[upper canopy]

You mean boars?

[thin ibex]

boars

yes

dammit phone

[naive abyss]

Oh lol

I mean yeah the boars in the fluff are meant to be scary

Boars in general are scary

[thin ibex]

yeah, im mostly saying that because boards in irl are effectively tiny compared, and yet still are incredibly dangerous

[upper canopy]

I mean there's boars that big irl

[naive abyss]

Yeah

Boars can get really big

[naive abyss]

Also your phone refuses gym acknowledge the existence of boar lol

[upper canopy]

Maybe not as tall

But definitely as long

[chilly scroll]

there's an irony here

[thin ibex]

there's no boar species that hits as big as the ones orks ride on average

considering how tall an ork is compared to a man, every single one of those boards is standing as tall or taller than human

dammit

[chilly scroll]

get 'em on elks

[thin ibex]

at this point i need to make a board riding ork

[chilly scroll]

or moose

[naive abyss]

I mean I'll be real razorbacks can get really big

[upper canopy]

The tallest boar ever recorded was I think like

5 foot at the shoulder

Which is CLOSE

[thin ibex]

ork riding one of these

[chilly scroll]

riding those with boars painted on them

[naive abyss]

The welves own that look lol

I love orcs on boars Ngl

And dwarfs on ram/goats

Tbh that's the one thing I wish og fantasy had but I get why they didn't

[thin ibex]

really what im saying is that a boar that size is many times scarier than like... a horse or even a normal moose

magic meese need not apply

[naive abyss]

I'd rate it the same as a moose but I'll agree to the horse

[upper canopy]

Oh yeah even a regular pig will kill you

[naive abyss]

Yeah

[solemn gull]

Late but rogue trader is awesome

So excited they are making a video game of it

[upper canopy]

In general I feel like "Not a horse but something actually worthwhile in a fight" is under utilized

[naive abyss]

Generally I agree

Warhammer loves that shit though lol

Like most factions have at least one thing like that lol

[thin ibex]

i see the like "These boar boys a broad equivalent to knights as shock cav" vibe and i think to myself "Nah, them boars gonna make a mockery of shock cav on horses. Only point against them is orks don't use lances; but lances also don't come with wings so even a mortally wounded boar is taking the horse with it."

i have no idea why my phone refuses to acknowledge the idea of a boar being a thing

its board or bore

[naive abyss]

Well horses in warhammer are just built different allot of the time lol

Like I think that's vaguely in the fluff

Especially brett ones

[thin ibex]

ah yeah thats fair blessings and magic and generalized fantasy lineage might bridge the gap

[naive abyss]

And they do just honest to gods have flying horses lol

And hippogryphs

And with the empire there's the demigryphs which also are cool

Cool models too

I'm hoping to convert the imperial general on gryphon as a hippogyph for my baroness

Falling that I found a good stl

Cuz I way prefer this to the Pegasus Ngl

[thin ibex]

demigryphs are sick, one of my favorites

gryphons too

i like the idea of pegasus knights far more than i do the actual appearance

[naive abyss]

Hippos are also good lol

[thin ibex]

as they already feel a bit goofy? Which is weird to say with a game with as many enjoyably goofy aesthetics in it; but the pegasus knight visually for some reason just kinda doesn't work for me

[naive abyss]

I've never been big on Pegasus

It feels not leaned into flight animal for me

Which is an odd sentiment I know but still

I have no issue with bretts having them but I'll just use hippos instead

[thin ibex]

i know you mean hippogryphs, but i did have a chuckle at the idea of brettonian hippo knights; with hippos blessed by ze lady

[naive abyss]

I posted a fluff quote a while back I liked that's about that

[thin ibex]

"Brettonians will turn anything into a mount given half a chance"

[naive abyss]

I mean hippo cav could be cool tbh

[thin ibex]

agreed

[naive abyss]

Not as bretts imo but still

—Lord Gildas Frangeau, Bretonnian Noble```

Reposting

Cuz tbh it's a cool quote

Also I like the dynamic with hippos being like very "you gotta earn riding one"

[upper canopy]

Bretonnian Chargers are indeed built different

My knightboy Aiden's mount Milo was based off Argo from Shadow of the Colossus

Agro, not Argo

Basically the canonical height difference

[topaz elk]

Comically large horse and comically short man

[upper canopy]

Aiden went a-venturin' when he was 16

[naive abyss]

Lol

Man Ngl Im enjoying how ironically freeing for me the size of fantasies setting is to me

Cuz it's so small that brain doesn't get stuck in a lurch having my homebrew and etc actually all have fought each other or etc

Cuz it's like way more conceivable than in 40k or aos for me lol

[pulsar cairn]

comically large lance i hope

[tepid stratus]

Just wanted to hop in because I noticed the convo while skimming the chat. The seraphon view dracothion and sotek as separate celestials/old ones and have separate starborne hosts modelled after them

[desert jay]

I would not trust hippo cav not to try to eat friendlies, including the rider

Hippos are mean

[pulsar cairn]

hippos are scary

probably meaner than a mawcrusha

[desert jay]

Also they’re not especially fast

[ebon forge]

Heya.
Does anyone here play KillTeam? :3

[real jacinth]

I've been meaning to get into tabletop and kill team seems like a good start point
Especially since Necrons are getting some pretty good stuff in it 👀

[floral herald]

Ye

[desert jay]

A bunch of people here, yeah

[ebon forge]

oh perfect! On which platform? I have set up on TTS

[thin ibex]

thats where we did last as well

[ebon forge]

Oh perfect, how usually is organized here to ask for a game of KT?

[thin ibex]

uhh... not really at all lol; you kinda just ask if anyone wants to play a game of KT and then hash out the details after

with someone who says yeah

[ebon forge]

Oh nice! Thank you

[thin ibex]

same kinda goes, honestly, for normal 40k games; just isn't like super common

[naive fog]

Well this is helpful. Lol

[real jacinth]

So uh
Something about T'au IDK

[jovial berry]

T’au are muchos cool, I wish they had more lore

[naive fog]

I got a WH40k discussion going in #lancer-general asking about making Lancer frames, and possibly a manufacter, inspired by the T'au Empire.

Glad this thread was made.

[jovial berry]

And I hope that the 10E Codex doesn’t retcon their stuff

Well some of it

[real jacinth]

Tbh I think that T'au are the only faction that actually feels like a 100% sci-fi faction and I kinda respect that

[naive fog]

Agreed

[jovial berry]

I can’t believe there’s sci-fi in my space fantasy

[ebon forge]

I want my FUCKING SPACE DWARFS

[naive fog]

And then there were the people complaining that the T'au weren't dark enough for WH40k and even that their design was too 'anime'. Lol

[real jacinth]

Their tactics are actually based on modern-day military tactics instead of being some weird approximation of historical armies so I like that too

[ebon forge]

THE VOTANN DON'T EVEN HAVE A STORY BOOK
1 YEAR OF EXISTENCE
0 BOOKS

[jovial berry]

It’s not even anime!!! It’s mil-tech

And they’re based for it

[real jacinth]

I mean I love my Necrons but even I gotta admit that they're basically just a stand-in for an "undead" faction

[thin ibex]

Leagues of Votann are a thing too

[ebon forge]

Tecno-undead

[naive fog]

Aren't they a more recent addition though?

[ebon forge]

Yeah, AI have rights there

[thin ibex]

yep!

[jovial berry]

They’re coming back from the bone zone

[thin ibex]

well sorta

[mental birch]

Still chanting CIB CIB

[thin ibex]

they're new as a faction, but squats have been around for a VERY LONG TIME

[real jacinth]

They're close but like
They're basically dwarves

[ebon forge]

Dwarves that see this as people

[real jacinth]

The Leagues are really cool tho

[jovial berry]

I could honestly ramble on my thoughts about the T’au for a while

[thin ibex]

I've been a tau fan for forever myself

[jovial berry]

Heck yeah

[ebon forge]

My favorite is how people say they are commies but like
They are a CASTE System ffs

[jaunty dawn]

if gw aren't cowards then meatkin will be the canon name for non ironkin kin

[thin ibex]

I do think a lot of surface level tau fans kinda miss the darker overtones because of the bright colors

[floral herald]

AI have rights in the imperium!

[raw flame]

Union would get along with farsight I think, which is high praise for a 40k faction

[floral herald]

It’s right to destroy them

It’s right to annihilate them

It’s right to abhor them etc

[naive fog]

A repost, something I can very much see adapted to Lancer. With NSPs and drones in general.

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/T'au_Drone

Called Kor'vesa in the T'au Lexicon, is a form of robotic artificial intelligence extensively utilised by the T'au Empire for a variety of combat and non-combat purposes. The mobile variants of T'au Drones exist in the form of sleek, disk-shaped machines which are well-armoured and equipped with small, anti-gravitic engines and manoeuvring jet-thrusters so that they can hover and skim across the ground. As they hover over landscapes, rotating back and forth, their sensor vane(s) constantly transmits vital information about their surroundings. These types of Drones are most commonly seen employed alongside the warriors of the Fire Caste.

Although small and somewhat innocuous, those foes that underestimate T'au Drones often pay for such a costly mistake with their lives. However, drone intelligences can also be found built into a great number of technologies developed by the T'au Earth Caste. There are many different types of drones utilised by the T'au in varying roles; these can range from mundane civilian uses to multiple combat roles.

[real jacinth]

People see "greater good" and scream "COMMIE" because McCarthyism is alive and well

[thin ibex]

I mean, Farsight goes to great lengths to break down the lines between castes, but like... the enclaves are still an isolationist military junta

[ebon forge]

Yeah, is not like "Mind control"
Is cultural control, is shaddier, is subtle
it corrupts your children

[jovial berry]

They’re a strict hierarchical system with a veeeery clearly defined ruling class.
The Ethereals are obviously the bousgoius and the other castes the proletariat.

[naive fog]

This tbh

[jaunty dawn]

I mean there's also the actual mind control that is the foundation of their society

[jovial berry]

I ignore that because I don’t like it

[thin ibex]

Also, the sense of galactic manifest destiny

[ebon forge]

Votann problem is that they forgot how to fuck they are all clones

[real jacinth]

Yeah kinda feels like a cop-out to make them more "grimdark"

[naive fog]

The mind control is debatable. Especially since that one Xenology book is no longer canon and very much Imperium bias. A tech priest.

[jaunty dawn]

I mean

yeah debatable is right

but there's plenty of evidence for it other than xenology

[thin ibex]

Well, its not psychic in nature from what's been discussed; as far as I know the exact nature of hte effect ethereals have on Tau citizens remains clear but enigmatic in nature

[real jacinth]

The clones are pretty stable tho
Their real problem is that they can't repair their god computers that have been running for several millennia

[ebon forge]

Would be better if it was 'mind control'
As in
They make you want to do what htey want by their culture, like how a Shogun makes a Samurai kill children for 'honor'

[naive fog]

Cultural prapaganda I'd allow, but straight up mind control I'd argue fiercely as a T'au Empire main player.

[ebon forge]

AI dementia , ya

[raw flame]

Besides, imo cultural propaganda makes a much better story

So obviously it's mind control, because GW have the best writers ever

[jovial berry]

Honestly it’s even scarier it’s cultural instead of any sort of… mind control, which I find stupid and complete derails their narrative.

[floral herald]

Yeah I was gonna say Union is probably not gonna be a huge fan of a totalitarian military dictatorship even if that’s a high point for 40K governance

[thin ibex]

tbf, the calming effect of Ethereals on Tau has been documented since like... 1st edition

[ebon forge]

agreed

[ebon forge]

Yeah that's the Genestealers stick

[naive fog]

I'd still argue that anything you can throw shade at towards the T'au Empire, other factions, ESPECIALLY the Imperium of Man, do so worse.

[thin ibex]

1st ed of tau, no 1st ed of 40k to clarify

The imperium is not a high bar of governance

[floral herald]

Yeah the “there’s something up with ethereals” lore is quite old

[naive fog]

Fair enough.

[raw flame]

They would probably send administrators instead of war fleets though

[jaunty dawn]

the nature of 40k canon is that both are kinda true

[jovial berry]

I also see my family in the T’au because they all grew up in the east bloc of Europe.

[ebon forge]

The imperium is a cautionary tale of governance

[naive fog]

But many still seems to see the Imperium as the heros somehow.

[real jacinth]

I mean the explanation of ethereals having some kind of pheremone isn't that bad considering how quickly they went from the Stone Age to being a notable presence in the galaxy

[floral herald]

And the old lore about the Tau being an Eldar project for unknown reasons

Or hints of that anyway

Though I think GW has kind of abandoned that angle?

[jaunty dawn]

I think that was the xenology contribution yeah

[floral herald]

I don’t remember it coming up much in a while

[quaint compass]

I hope, for the good of the setting, that we don't get a clear answer to this question.

[ebon forge]

Agreed

[jovial berry]

Old lore is kinda eeehahaheahajahdks…
But I do hope we get more T’au books written by more authors than one guy

[ebon forge]

you know what I want?
A resolution for the yellow king

[quaint compass]

That too!

[ebon forge]

because right now is a nothing burger >:V

[thin ibex]

im perfectly comfortable with Ethereals having a very clear manipulative effect on other tau that is explicitly not psychic but otherwise rather mysterious and enigmatic

[floral herald]

GW is fairly good about not doing “Han’s last name is solo because he traveled alone and needed a fake last name that one time” style over explanation

[jovial berry]

Which like, thank fuck

[thin ibex]

What do you mean? We have Jerry Space

[naive fog]

The pheremone idea is still from that Xenology book of a tech priest dissenting aliens. Questionable writing aside I am glad it isn't canon anymore.

[floral herald]

I personally think the pheromones lore is dumb because of much more mundane reasons

The Tau WEAR MASKS A LOT

[thin ibex]

arkhan land and amar astarte being the reference here

[jovial berry]

Also if such reverence is so deeply ingrained in their culture it makes sense

[floral herald]

You can’t pheromone someone who’s got their own NBC-tier filter or self contained breather

[ebon forge]

Honestly at times I trust more a Ork Mek than a Tech Priest because Tech Priests sometimes just
Don't really know how their shit actually work?

[thin ibex]

its also a bit fun that even Farsight feels the effect when in the presence of the ethereals

its not like directly mind control

but like a powerful emotional effect

ethereals don't be going "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL"

[ebon forge]

Yeah, is like , all of your life you been conditioned to respect and see Ethereals as that ultimate being

Is conditioning, manipulative, not psyker mind control

[floral herald]

Xenology is less “not canon” and more “explicitly the ravings of a semi-lucid tech-priest fabricating or massaging results which justify his lab to the inquisition so he’s not a heretic”

[jovial berry]

Anyways uh… here’s my guy 👍

[floral herald]

Homeboy is making shit up

[quaint compass]

BIG GUY

[thin ibex]

heck, establishing the enclaves was a source of great personal consternation for Farsight; he didn't literally go "Fuck them Ethereals, we're gonna make our own place with blackjack and hookers"

[real jacinth]

On a kinda unrelated note, anyone here ever heard of the Q'Orl? They're a race of intelligent ants that supposedly have one of the biggest empires in the galaxy and apparently have tech that easily rivals that of the Imperium.

But for some reason GW just kinda doesn't mention them anywhere.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Q'orl

Then again... their main source of lore is from Xenology and some expansion of the Dark Heresy TTRPG so maybe they were just retconned out of existence.

[ebon forge]

Yeah
ANd Farsight still believes in the 'greater good'

[thin ibex]

Because Farsight still believes in the greater principle of The Greater Good and the preservation of the foundations of Tau society

[naive fog]

I'd be fine with this!

[floral herald]

I mean that’s what it is

[jovial berry]

He comin to get ya (shoot you from 60”)

[ebon forge]

good guy!

[floral herald]

He keeps coming to convenient conclusions for the Imperium

[thin ibex]

oh yall tau players got any custom sept lore you wanna just drop in?

[ebon forge]

Man
The Imperium is so fucked

[floral herald]

“You can end the ork menace with antifungals haha”

[ebon forge]

T'Au: dropping sick massive mechs
Ad Mech:

[jovial berry]

I do not, I simply have a sick color scheme for my guys

[floral herald]

“Just poison the root tyranid (the ripper) they can’t adapt around that”

[thin ibex]

valid and still cool as heck

[floral herald]

“The Tau aren’t an ideological opponent or problem they just use kind control”

[thin ibex]

Im going for a metallic color scheme atm

[floral herald]

Etc

[jovial berry]

This is really fucking funny

[jovial berry]

Heck yeah

[floral herald]

It’s actually a neat piece of lore if it’s true

[mental birch]

Less a Sept and more the idea thst my army is a left behind isolated unit scraping together whatever they can with guvesa allies and without any Etherals so a scraped together command structure

[floral herald]

That the “original tyranid” is the Ripper or a common ancestor of it and all other Tyranids are descended from psychic land piranhas from another galaxy

[jovial berry]

I doooo… pulls out a piece of paper

[real jacinth]

I just can't fucking get over the fact that there's this big fucking empire that is potentially more of a threat than several playable factions and it's just not mentioned anywhere except for like two books

[floral herald]

It’s so mundane I love it personally

[thin ibex]

My custom sept story is, in broad terms, a recent expansion project headed by Sacea, converting a hive world that surrendered up to Tau standards; and i sit the narrative present to be in the middle of that, with overworked members of every caste in the coalition work with mostly well meaning humans to convert the hive's tech and infrastructure while also having to deal with Imperial, Genestealer, and chaos insurrectionists, along with an orkoid infestation at the bottom levels

[floral herald]

I’m skeptical of the “attack the Ripper DNA” strategy but I like the origin

[jovial berry]

Have some lore for this funky fella!
Shas’el Vior’la Shi’he…
My T’au

[thin ibex]

and the coalition leader juggles the work of bringing the greater good to the hive and avoiding doing what Shadowsun did when she discovered gsc in a hive

every major set back has him like... finding any excuse not to do that, cause he believes in the potential of the place

pilots a enforcer crisis suit as his hero's mantle, its upgraded armor serving him well in the tight confines of hive tunnels

[real jacinth]

Make the hive world an awakening tomb world to really make things extra spicy

[naive fog]

Also, hot take, the Emperor was a terrible father who slow loss of humanity from so many centuries of life caused him to not realize the way he treated his primarchs and how he tried to handle the existence of the Chaos Gods by trying to hide their existance was wrong... It is what allowed them to win, with so many of his sons falling prey to their temptations and manipulations. Especially not letting Magnus know what he was doing, so he wouldn't consider the most brute force way of getting a message to his father to warn him about Horus or be tricked by Tzeenech. It was the Emporer's fault.

[mental birch]

That's ice cold:p

[thin ibex]

I was running with my commander being Shas'El J'Karra Che'Lel/Commander Mirrored Lightning

[real jacinth]

Not even that hot of a take a lot of people agree that the Emperor's overall plans were kinda dumb

And that he was a terrible dad

[naive abyss]

The funny thing with tau being called commies to me are craftworlds and the lov are way closer to that lol

[floral herald]

Yeah the CWE are the real commies

[jovial berry]

They are a… Ghostkeel pilot and their mentor was also a Ghostkeel pilot and did a lot of sneaky stuff and information gathering.
They pride themselves on their ability to sneak around and gather information for the Ethereal commander and has taken control over their cadre a few times.
One instance they and their mentor and the remains of a conventional cadre (without an ethereal) had to work together with a shattered battalion of Guardsmen against a genestealer cult that woke the fuck up.

[real jacinth]

To say it again: People see "greater good" and scream "COMMIE" because McCarthyism is alive and well

[naive fog]

Okay I don't know what is wrong with me today. Almost all day I have been making way too many typos and mistakes in my posts. Sighs

[naive abyss]

While lov are like socialist meritocratic hyper materialists lol

[thin ibex]

its definitely a thought, but on one hand yes, on the other is it a bit silly to have all those different elements at the same time? Makes Shadowsun's strat that much more enticing I'd think

[naive abyss]

Oh for sure

[real jacinth]

Don't worry about it too much

[tired cairn]

Is the T'au economic model hinted at anywhere?

[thin ibex]

At some point or another Commander J'kara gotta be like "Shit's fucked man, I don't think I can salvage this". It's a possible outcome, but for now, they remain steadfast

[jovial berry]

God bless

[thin ibex]

There are mild hints all over, but nothing really concrete

[jovial berry]

Shi’he is more… “fuck it we ball, for tau’va”

[floral herald]

I think they basically have a total command economy?

I don’t remember any discussion of private enterprise or a market or anything

[real jacinth]

Honestly I think the setting you got going on works pretty well
I just suggested the planet being a tomb world because I gotta represent my favorite faction

[floral herald]

(It may be in lore I haven’t read)

[jovial berry]

I need to uh… work on the oneshot of Shi’he in the encounter with the Guardsmen

[naive abyss]

Random but I'm glad shadowsun has her own mcguffin now

[naive fog]

What's funny, is that the T'au Empire are really the ONLY faction actually trying to form alliances with others, believe fully in the idea of working together and uniting for a better future and not screwing each other over. The only faction not allowing hatred and fear to control them or their actions.

[naive abyss]

It always felt weird that farsight only had one

[thin ibex]

I do run Commander J'kara as a closet Farsight Sympathist who sends supplies to the enclaves on the dl; but also thinks that maybe FS took things too far because of his Vior'lan hot blooded nature. He also presumes that Farsight has been doing the Stasis tango and doesn't realize Farsight is effectively immortal

[naive fog]

What is her mcguffin?

[ebon forge]

Surprises me how the Eldar dont make alliences with the tau

[naive abyss]

I mean that's also true of the votann more or less

[thin ibex]

Aeldari see the tau as ignorant and naive children mostly

[real jacinth]

As a whole, I agree

Although Imperium/Eldar alliances do occasionally happen. I mean hell I think one craftworld has an Inquisitorial Embassy on it.

[ebon forge]

Fucking Elfs

[thin ibex]

they do interact with tau on neutral terms occassionally; but the aeldari don't really forge lasting alliances or anything with em; and they certainly don't think twice about deflecting trouble onto tau over fellow aeldari

[naive abyss]

I mean it's because the tau go " join us" and like most eldars cells start to vibrate in anger at that

[naive fog]

Remember though how every time these alliances break apart because of either the Imperium and/or Eldar betraying the other.

[jovial berry]

Anyways uh, I keep rotating my OC in my head

[naive abyss]

She is the like uhhh "prophet" of the "goddess" of the greater good

[thin ibex]

What are you referring to btw, as far as shadowsun's mcguffin?

[ebon forge]

The goddess of WHAT

[naive abyss]

The whole goddess thing

[real jacinth]

There was also that one (in)famous Blood Angels and Necron alliance and Trazyn the Infinite as a whole but those are aren't really statistically significant in terms of how open the faction is to alliances.

[thin ibex]

theres a warp entity representing the collective belief in the greater good sourced from the mass belief of guevesa, kinda. They met it when crossing the cicatrix maledictum

[ebon forge]

Oh god

[naive fog]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Goddess_T'au'va

[thin ibex]

It seriously pissed shadowsun off

[naive abyss]

Yeah she's not a fan

[real jacinth]

True. There was that big thing where Yvraine helped revive the big poster boy Primarch, with the two of them actually leaving on amicable terms though as the one big alliance example

[naive abyss]

But also recognises it's useful

It's great

[naive fog]

Though now with jokes that the primarch now has an Eldar gf. Lol

[thin ibex]

There's not really any like... lasting alliances amongst the bigger major factions in the setting tbh. most factions do end up in alliances of convenience with others though

and some last longer than others

[naive abyss]

Votann are just like "give us minerals we give you guns"

[jovial berry]

Rock and Stone…

[ebon forge]

Does that mean the tau are starting to have a warp participation?
Because i am down for Chaos T'au

[thin ibex]

Not particularly no

though chaos tau has happened

[real jacinth]

Votann are just like "give us minerals we give you guns"
Sometimes it isn't an offer

[naive abyss]

Warp doesn't mean chaos inherently either

[thin ibex]

water spider in the farsight novels got posessed

[real jacinth]

ROCK AND STONE

[thin ibex]

Tau just haven't particularly changed much in regards to the "We have almost no presence in the warp and skate by generally undetected and unregarded"

[naive abyss]

Yeah though it's very rare with tau

[jovial berry]

Common T’au W Ngl

[naive abyss]

The entity is due to the psychic races the tau have mostly

[ebon forge]

Fair

[naive abyss]

I love how kin treat the warp

[thin ibex]

"Mind Science" for the tau

they're totally gonna figure it out

just give the Earth Caste time

[naive abyss]

Just as a resource rich but like deep sea space region

[real jacinth]

I love that the kin have AI navigators and that the Votann themselves somehow have a warp presence

[jovial berry]

Anyways uh… have fun discussing Warhammer, imma come back when it’s a bit slower

[naive abyss]

Aka dangerous and requires diving suits