Warhammer and Such

[floral herald]

I think they’re pretty good at the moment?

I get the big Tau walkers mixed up some haha

[lofty warren]

Stormsurge is rhe biggest one

[deft crest]

they are the biggest conventional walker

[lofty warren]

With the missiles

And the no arms but people give em arms a lot

[deft crest]

Typically armless

Yeah because its looks silly without em

Mechs look cooler with arms

[thin ibex]

Hmm I can't speak to how good one is nowadays, but it does have oodles of fire power

Just doesn't kill knights unless it gets lucky

well, the Tau'nar is the biggest one, its just not in the codex

it does depend on the map and the match up for the tau

but in general the Stormsurge does not struggle to kill more than 400 points of enemies with its shooting

its got a frankly disgusting volume of fire

that being said, most competetive lists will have answers to it iirc, and so its a bit of an eggs basket situation

and it doesnt score

very well

so as long as you kill the tau players objective controlling units and stay generally covered up, it being killy doesn't win the fight for it

[desert jay]

It might struggle with this vs horde armies b/c it's pretty anti-heavy

[thin ibex]

id say if you have one, it'll do work, especially casually. It's a big tough mother trucker that lays out hurt pretty happily

but competetively, tau get more done with CIB spammed crisis suits and railguns

[deft crest]

bah

Lame

Well i don't own many tanks for tau only suits so i suppose its still fine

And my riptides of course

I love my triptides

[upper canopy]

https://i.imgur.com/UIyYbgk.png

[deft crest]

Is there a good site to find some other peoples list? I wanted to get into the newest edition with a beginner list of a few different levels of armys

[thin ibex]

I'm no competetitor, @mental birch has a pretty decent competetive grasp of Tau as I understand

but I do make loads of different kinds of lists

[upper canopy]

Auspex Tactics usually throws together "This seems like fun" lists for his videos

Goonhammer as well does

[thin ibex]

as a note in the current Tau reality, Riptides are not a do-it-all kind of unit, rather they are tough bully style units

they can generally take hits and can work down enemy soft and mid targets, but can't really effectively engage armor

[deft crest]

I have 3 broadsides still build if those are half decent against armor

[thin ibex]

broadsides are very solid anti armor

they're pretty much the faction workhorse long range AT

but are not particularly mobile

[deft crest]

Honestly the only models I don't own are many kroot, Pirahnas and more than 1 of the tank (Devilfish hammerhead?)

[thin ibex]

pirahna are generally speaking quite good atm, hammerheads are decent but less reliable than the skyray atm

kroot continue to kind of take a backseat tactically, but do still functionally work as bubble wrap

usable but not meta

https://www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-in-10th-superslate-supermajors-pt-2/ this one has an example of a go-wide tau list

which is kinda cool

something to note in 10th that differs from past editions; all suits are Vehicles, which means they obey vehicle rules and restrictions

[solemn gull]

?

What does the imperium send against chaos space marines?

[tepid stratus]

Waves of guard until a loyalist chapter can respond

[upper canopy]

Nothing that can actually hurt you.

[tepid stratus]

Or in particularly important cases, the custodes will send a few terminators

[upper canopy]

Because Black Crusade marines are stupid busted.

[topaz elk]

I mean also like

Tanks

Plasma

Meltas

Chaos space marines are busted but like, the imperium has weapons that can kill them

Including weapons usable by normal people

[tepid stratus]

But in the context of black crusade yeah player characters are both stupid powerful while being too small time for anything actually threatening in the scope of the game

[desert jay]

No one's gonna call in a naval bombardment on a single squad

[thin ibex]

well, an inquisitor might

[solemn gull]

I feel like thats understating the imperial guard

Their tanks are really good

And they have a lot

[thin ibex]

nah i think the idea here is that they were stating just how strong Black Crusade ttrpg csm characters are rather than the power of imperial tools in general

[upper canopy]

Yeah most characters would see a Leman Russ and go "Oh damn, I'm in danger" but Black Crusade characters break their game really easy if you let them

I have seen stories of completely rules legal characters killing multiple greater daemons per turn.

[thin ibex]

its CSM chaos lords if they're as powerful as they so often claim to be

[upper canopy]

"What if Araghast the Pillager wasn't full of shit"

[pine matrix]

I played a fair amount of Black Crusade, it was very silly

The Pirate Prince just gets a spaceship as a piece of starting equipment. Does it have any rules for the ship? No, cause that was Rogue Trader's thing. But you've got it!

[topaz elk]

I’m pretty sure I’ve read a short story of someone calling a naval bombardment on Lucius the eternal

[desert jay]

Okay but that's Lucius

[topaz elk]

He then became Lucius but he still did it

[desert jay]

And also a terrible idea, yeah

[topaz elk]

He was also told to have like a servitor push the button too

But nah

Did it himself

[desert jay]

What they should do is find some volunteer to sit at the bottom of a very deep pit and press the button from there

[jaunty dawn]

isn't the issue with clever ways to kill lucius that the person who comes up with the plan is gonna be like I am so smart

[topaz elk]

Honestly the best way for Lucius to die is for a random meteor to hit his ship while it’s in space

I doubt Lucius can possess a random act of god

[pine matrix]

Feel like trying to get one over on the chaos gods is always gonna end poorly. I can imagine Lucius dying from that and Slaanesh going "...nah, he's gonna be back"

[thin ibex]

i always figured it was to have lucius be killed in passing by an entity who had no idea that lucius was even there

but also, i suspect of like... the swarmlord kills lucius, i suspect the swarmlord would not turn into lucius

[topaz elk]

I think it would personally

[rocky shale]

Yeah he's been plot-armored before

[topaz elk]

I’ve always read Lucius’s power as anything that kills him becomes him

Including non human species

It’s not like the nids haven’t replaced the swarmlord before

[thin ibex]

well, i kinda question the chaos gods power over the nids

[rocky shale]

The real secret is that lore writers simply won't have him fight nids

[floral herald]

Black Crusade is fucked up because high-advancement BC characters are Super Strong

Like you could stat up Abaddon as a PC pretty easily

[lofty warren]

Cant you play a daemon prince

Or does your character get taken away when that happens

[solemn gull]

Lmao wait let me check for something

[pine matrix]

I think they did rules in the Tome of Excess? But yeah, in the base game ascension is the win state

[solemn gull]

One google search later

Fall damage is so lethal in this system

Caber toss build

[jaunty dawn]

unnatural characteristics were so busted

[thin ibex]

Just juggle terminators

[solemn gull]

My second favourite build is Martial Arts techpriest

Get your dodge skill so high you can just bullet time

[past sphinx]

Me, I am resins strongest warrior

Shit that's late as hell

[desert jay]

See my plan isn't to keep him dead, just stuck at the bottom of a very deep pit where I can keep my eyes on him

[jaunty dawn]

oh right nice

[pulsar cairn]

Skarbrand hates going outside

btw

can you seal demons away

[upper canopy]

Yea

[topaz elk]

They’re sealed away in all sorts of things

[past sphinx]

Grey knights have a big ol' demon seal in a skull in their fortress entrance I believe

[solemn gull]

Lucius is really easy to beat imo

So many combatants in 40k are mindless

A tyranid wont feel pride over killing him

[thin ibex]

Oh huh, what happens if like a greater daemon kills Lucius or like... inclement weather?

I guess that is the main problem with the character. Can't face off against other named ones cause he's effectively guaranteed to win

Even if he loses

[pulsar cairn]

idk

[floral herald]

Lucius’ power is fundamentally powered by Slaanesh wanting him around

And slaaannesh is fickle

[pulsar cairn]

a Chaos god might be able to save a favorite of theirs from lucius curse

[floral herald]

They’ll just asspull his survival

[pulsar cairn]

yeh

you don't even need to be flashy about it

[thin ibex]

like they'd have to manufacture an escape or survival against a character like, say, kharn, cause you dont want to kill off kharne due to lucius curse, but you also i guess dont want to kill slaanesh' favored champ

[pulsar cairn]

ya know how often in duels the participants would just kill each other?

like what happens if both lucius ans his opponent just manage to land a killing blow on each other? he got nowhere to go now

[desert jay]

The true way to kill Lucius is to somehow make Slaanesh think Lucius is lame

[pulsar cairn]

be the cooler Lucius

[floral herald]

A trillion daemons fight in the warp and eventually Nurgle and Tzeentch bring them both back so their roommates stfu

[thin ibex]

man what if lucius accidentally offs himself, pure circumstance. Homeboy then takes over his own dead body?

[desert jay]

Yes

[pulsar cairn]

like slipping in the shower?

[thin ibex]

exactly

[pulsar cairn]

that would be funny

but i feel like Slaneesh would be disappointed

[thin ibex]

well i guess hed have to be satisfied wi- hmm

[pulsar cairn]

Lucius is cool and all but they make his curse look way worse than it actually is

he's basically a demon at this point, since it probably doesn't matter how he dies

[lofty warren]

i feel like the curse is pretty bad for whoever kills him

[floral herald]

The only way to permakill Lucius is to have The Masque do it

Since that means Slaanesh would have to acknowledge their ex

[pulsar cairn]

it's more that there's a lot of ways to die in 40k without being killed by an individual

[desert jay]

IIRC there's at least one case of basically "well it's your fault he was standing there"

[pulsar cairn]

really?

[thin ibex]

isnt the key phrasing that the cause of his death has to result in some modicum of satisfaction no matter how small?

so like if lucius is killed by a landmine, if the person who made the landmine has any pride in their work, boom, new lucius

[lofty warren]

someones going to be happy lucious died

frankly

[desert jay]

That's true

[floral herald]

Yes but with the caveat that the rulemaker is a petty bitch and a liar

[thin ibex]

lol

i forget was there a story about how lucius' curse worked on a necron?

dusty brain corners says maybe

[lofty warren]

this random wiki i found says yes

which is fucking stupid

but it doesnt cite sources

Eventually, on a nameless moon near Damnos, Lucius was cut down by the shape-shifting Necron duellist known only as the Phasing Sword. Not even the Necron's body of living metal could prevent the Slaaneshi Chaos Champion's strange possession-curse from taking hold, however, for the undying Necron took a cold pride in its victory, and that was the seed of its undoing. Lucius was reborn inside his killer within solar days, the xenos warrior's necrodermis body drizzling away like molten metal to reveal the twisted swordsman, as arrogant and maniacal as ever.

[pulsar cairn]

I'm also thinking about like

he just dying and people not even knowing about it cause war

[solemn gull]

well tbf if its a duellist then it has personality

the higher up you are in necron society the more personality and coherence etc

[thin ibex]

well its more like... necrons have no souls and don't exist in the warp at all, but the curst stil just does its thing

[lofty warren]

did Lucius's regeneration have rules

[solemn gull]

fair

it would be funny if his ship just explodes due to bad wiring some day

[pulsar cairn]

I'm starting to think Lucius ain't that well written

[solemn gull]

you don't say

Lucius is the most mid slaneshi character

Bile got to become the new face of the purple chaos team

[thin ibex]

its an interesting curse but its kind of.... troubling to write around

especially when you want cool battles

[lofty warren]

fabulous bill

[thin ibex]

it IS a great writing tool to like front and center the wages of hubris

[lofty warren]

is bile slannesshi aligned or just adjacent

i thought he was undivided functionally

[pulsar cairn]

i like Bill but he's not slaneeshi is he?

[solemn gull]

I mean he is undivided but always doing Emperors children/slaneshi stuff

[lofty warren]

he is former emperors children

[solemn gull]

like hanging with drukarhi

[tired cairn]

Eh, doesn't 40k generally avoid killing main characters?

[naive abyss]

random but man its a bizarre feeling to have the models that im probably the most excited for atm be those brettonian foot knights in plastic

[solemn gull]

no

only ultramarines get that treatment

[naive abyss]

cuz like they both look cool and low key im curious how viable theyd be as like body swaps for sob

for boob plate begone sob

[floral herald]

The thing is, Slaanesh cheats

[naive abyss]

also they appearing reminded me that i actually really liked the men at arms

[floral herald]

Like there’s a short story where he got killed by a land mine

And possessed the worker on the line because they enjoyed their work

[naive abyss]

the great irony of the brettonians is my fave models for them are all on foot lol

[jaunty dawn]

they retconned the entire indomitus crusade to not kill off a bunch of main characters via age its definitely not just ultramarines lmao

[pulsar cairn]

so do i

[floral herald]

Which is obviously dumb because working in a munitions factory is horrible drudgery

[lofty warren]

one must imagine sysiphus, i suppose

anyways slanessh lame. all my homies love tzeentch. not making sense is just cause you are not CLEVER enough

[floral herald]

I like to imagine Slaanesh, elbow deep in that worker’s soul making them feel perverse joy in creation for the first time in 30 years saying “see! They enjoyed it, I get to bring him back!” While Tzeentch facepalms in the warp

[tired cairn]

I was also thinking how Angron and the Lion fought and somehow neither died

[naive abyss]

i mean in fairness angron like can only die in super specific as of yet discovered ways probably

but the lion did win the fight

if memory serves

[thin ibex]

i would love the idea of masque v lucius forcing slaanesh to notice their ex

[naive abyss]

the great irony to me in that is the aos tzeentch faction has sorta hilariously normal looking infantry

[lofty warren]

so fucking lame

[floral herald]

Same honestly

[naive abyss]

like they more or less look like pre dust dearmored thousand sons lol

ill forever be salty over the cyphers not being a disciples of tzeentch thing

and just getting tossed under the std range like every other chaos warcry thing lol

[tired cairn]

They are unreasonably swole for cultists

[floral herald]

They’re not bad looking models but yeah “huge shirtless buff dudes” is kind of weird for Tzeentch

[floral herald]

All cultists are like this

[naive abyss]

the fluff is they are actually magic nerds roid magicing themselves to look like that

but like

idk

sure that fluff explains it

but eh?

[lofty warren]

chaos fantasy aesthetics i think are kinda less good than 40k, honestly

[naive abyss]

hard disagree

if only due to chaos warriors existing

that and the hedonites

[floral herald]

https://preview.redd.it/pdgj6z2djad71.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=7a9b1fb13f5b804604215b5465ab6cb86ec9818c

[lofty warren]

chaos in 40k conveys an element of corruption

[thin ibex]

i like when the lion killed angron angron literally explodes in blood

[lofty warren]

theres some really good stuff

in fantasy

[floral herald]

This is the first book all chaos cultists are given

[lofty warren]

like chaos warriors

[naive abyss]

im forever salty these are for tzeentch

[lofty warren]

but overall like. idk

[thin ibex]

amazing

[naive abyss]

i mean the whole hedonite range fucks ngl

like hedonites compete with std for coolest chaos range imo

with maggotkin a distant third

[thin ibex]

I do think chaos cultists and norscans in general find a HELL of a lot of protein for being in frozen and warp charged wastelands

and have packed workout schedules

[jaunty dawn]

I mean you can play tzeentch std

[naive abyss]

i mean sure

[floral herald]

https://www.northumbriantinsoldier.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/60010699018_BSFEscalation03.webp

[jaunty dawn]

but the ally rules for cultists are. really annoying haha

[floral herald]

It’s the same in 40K they just pump iron all the time while plotting rebellion

[naive abyss]

glutos is the best

ten out of ten the best slaanesh character model

[lofty warren]

chaos in fantasy is portrayed a lot more as like. the invading other than the sins of the imperium coming home to roost

or the sins of the empires

[naive abyss]

ngl i dont think thats what it is in 40k

[lofty warren]

its not lorewise but aesthetically

theres that feel to me

[naive abyss]

outside of aggressively huffing the newer lore with HH lol

[floral herald]

The AoS chaos models are great

[naive abyss]

cuz a chaos legionaire is just space chaos warrior

[lofty warren]

the like

[naive abyss]

like down to the main scheme beign the same

[lofty warren]

warped mirror

of space marine armor

i like chaos warriors

dont get me wrong

[tired cairn]

Is there an Inquisitor who can flawlessly find chaos cultists by accusing anyone who is really buff?

[naive abyss]

also at least in fantasy og it was definitely a mirror of the empire in some ways

like the norscans saying "fuck yeah" to satan was due to sigmar fucking them over lol

one could also argue chaos warriors are a warped mirror of the knight orders of the empire

or hell the knights in armor of any human faction

like the new brett foot knights are an easy contrast to the chaos warriors

[lofty warren]

they dont feel as personal

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s different in fantasy because there’s chaos countries

While there’s cults and such there’s also a “chaos homeland” which they attack from

[naive abyss]

wait is this aos or og were talking cuz that point differs

[floral herald]

(Which leads into another dimension eventually)

[lofty warren]

both have that aspect.

no?

[floral herald]

WHFB I don’t know AoS lore much

[naive abyss]

i mean theres not really countries in og

theres a region sure

[floral herald]

Yeah? The chaos wastes eventually bleed into the realms of chaos

[naive abyss]

but it functionally was like the geographic equivalent of the eye of terror lol

[lofty warren]

clarification: "they both have that aspect, no?"

[floral herald]

Yeah but people live there, esp for norsca

[jaunty dawn]

csm are like. (sadly imo) the face of chaos in 40k

[naive abyss]

i mean people also live in the eye of terror

[lofty warren]

both aos and whfb

[deft crest]

Slaves to darkness is a strong faction title for sure

[floral herald]

I guess the difference is that there’s more normal regions

[naive abyss]

not really in the wastes

[floral herald]

In WHFB while in 40K it’s all the warp

[naive abyss]

like you can find some mayb esmall enclaves of them sure

[jaunty dawn]

and csm are pretty much all like actual traitors. treacher-legions

[naive abyss]

wait im missing the connective tissue now

are we saying gods exist in whfb cuz i mean yeah

but all are connected to the real of magic in one way or another as memory serves

which is just the warp but by a different name more or less

[naive abyss]

for me at least its the classic black armored chaos warrior lol

that or a bloodletter lol

[floral herald]

What I’m saying is that chaos in fantasy is more like another country with a different religion than in 40K where it’s all traitors

[thin ibex]

i mean, back in the day, chaos really was just "The spikey version of the space marines" right? And they got more fleshed out and shaped out over time?

[naive abyss]

i mean they were literally chaos warriors in space

as their origins lol

[floral herald]

Yeah

[thin ibex]

does feel pretty clear that part of that was also like... having a smaller production volume, it makes sense to reuse the assets a lot

[naive abyss]

its why abbadon is like legally disticnt archaon

[thin ibex]

"this is a rhino, and THIS is a spikey angry chaos rhino that is baaaaad"

[floral herald]

Though in fairness this isn’t true if you get into the margins of the setting because there’s societies which just follow chaos without ever having been involved with the imperium

[thin ibex]

Look, this space marine is wearing black, and has spikes, they're evil

[lofty warren]

indeed, but on the face chaos is depicted way more as "traitors" than "invaders"

[naive abyss]

also thats more a like result of 40k just making it oops all imperium more or less

[floral herald]

Though I also agree with this I’d love to see more Lost and the Damned/Slaves to Darkness style chaos in 40K

[naive abyss]

also even still chaos cults within the empire in fantasy is a big thing

[thin ibex]

when did the chaos marines start getting their topknots too?

[naive abyss]

like witch hunters existed for a reason

[floral herald]

I agree - I’m not commenting on why just how it feels different

[lofty warren]

none of those outside societies have the kind of ability to invade or whatever

[naive abyss]

to be clear i get that they are different

im not saying theyre carbon copies

[floral herald]

I think we’re in agreement I just explained myself badly

[naive abyss]

just idk ultimately this is a like bush circling over like preferences i think

in part cuz my first real introduction to chaos was like marks of chaos and its cinematic

[thin ibex]

i love that cinematic

[lofty warren]

i mean this started with me saying "i think the depiction of chaos in fantasy trends more towards invaders and that results in aesthetics im less a fan of"

[thin ibex]

i still go back and watch it

sometimes

[naive abyss]

like it took me a bizarrely long time to really like become aware of chaos in 40k

cuz i was so hyper fixated on like everything that wasnt that part

[thin ibex]

i also thought the game was actually pretty good, but didn't play it all that much

[naive abyss]

or found them to just be "ah yes its some more of the the edgy marines"

[floral herald]

My introduction to 40K was Titan God-Machine and chaos played a very small role in it

[naive abyss]

like i thikn my first exposure to chaos in 40k was in a blood angels novel where it was some librarian turning traitor for some dumb reason

also sanguionouses spear was involved for some reason

like and that book struck me way less than fifteen hours

[thin ibex]

for someone who wasn't in the hobby for as long as yall, my first intro to warhammer was like, a classic piece of 40k art as a puzzle as a very young child

[naive abyss]

which is still like my gold standard for 40k vibes

also i guess dawn of war wouldve been my next big exposure to 40k chaos

where they were just sorta funny?

like id play them against ai to just hear the sorta hilarious shit theyd say

[floral herald]

Dawn of War 1 chaos is EXTREMELY campy

[naive abyss]

def

[jaunty dawn]

it is a good pain

[lofty warren]

METAL BAWKSES

[thin ibex]

im still trying to find the old puzzle i did

[floral herald]

Which is funny because the Blood Ravens sound so serious about them

[jaunty dawn]

we captured it for chaossss

[naive abyss]

"y-yesh m-masterrr"

[thin ibex]

dawn of war chaos was my first encounter with chaos specifically

[floral herald]

Captain… it bore the eight pointed star” and such

[lofty warren]

dawn of war is i think in many ways like

peak 40k

[thin ibex]

dawn of war chaos still forms my basis for how i think of chaos

[floral herald]

And then it’s a bunch of goofsters

[lofty warren]

stupid and golorious in all the right ways

[thin ibex]

i still quote chaos unit responses daily to my friends

[floral herald]

https://tenor.com/view/rita-repulsa-funny-witch-bluecollar-happy-gif-12778977

[naive abyss]

like the great irony is fantasy is arguably a less serious setting than modern 40k

[floral herald]

Type of chaos

[thin ibex]

"do YOU hear the VOICES too!?"

[naive abyss]

but i would not have known that from the games that exposed me to eacch lol

which was dawn of war

and mark of chaos

[naive abyss]

have you seen that hedonite model btw?

[thin ibex]

wow

[naive abyss]

like idk i thin it boils down to the meme i posted the other day for my pref in chaos

[lofty warren]

fantasy is a great stupid setting

[naive abyss]

as ref

[lofty warren]

total warhammer proves this

[naive abyss]

like i sorta unironically agree with this to an extent

[lofty warren]

i think honestly like

40k takes itself way too fucking seriously

[naive abyss]

man like gw couldve held on a bit longer with og fantasy

cuz unironically total war wouldve given it a massive like infusion imo

[lofty warren]

i rewatched a bunch of if the emeperor had a tts over the past couple days

and like

[naive abyss]

like to be clear i love 40k

[lofty warren]

god it hit that perfect sweet spot of reverence and stupidity

[naive abyss]

its maybe still my fave of the three

[lofty warren]

i kinda hate 40k tbh

[naive abyss]

but og fantasy has more and more wormed its way in but still probably 40k

[lofty warren]

i love it but fucking

[naive abyss]

but i adore how just unapolgetically evil chaos warriors are

[lofty warren]

the way its treated by both its source material and its fan culture can be really fuckin frustrating

its given such reverence

and import

[naive abyss]

they are just fucked up weirdos in armor that has being fused to them by horrible magic and they are gonna laugh as they rip you apart while glaring at you with red glowing eyes lol

[lofty warren]

idk if aos has a similar problem. hopefully not

[naive abyss]

aos has more the issue of the fluff aggressively outpaces the models

[lofty warren]

they cast such a striking form with the sheilds and the horned helmets

[naive abyss]

like shit like this lives forever rent free in my head

[lofty warren]

and capes

capes are so good

[floral herald]

I unironically think that chaos would benefit as a faction from being lightened a few shades to make them a more compelling foil to the imperium

[naive abyss]

like im so chuffed with my chaos lord lady i made

like i named her basically hell war black hammer

and i love it

[floral herald]

“Sucks” and “sucks but in a new way” instead of “sucks” and “sucks worse, somehow”

[lofty warren]

many people are saying this

[naive abyss]

so evil she hates the evil people with an agenda beyond being purely evil

[lofty warren]

right now chaos like

is a justification for the imperium

[naive abyss]

aka shes militantly chaos undivided which i love as a concept

[lofty warren]

the world has been contrived in such a way that all their mechanisms are some degree neccesary

[naive abyss]

they arent really imo

its just too far gone for them to turn around imo

[thin ibex]

a big thing with old world in fantasy is that chaos warriors loom in a way that no other entity in the setting did. The empire did not have Imperial Warriors to match them like 40k has space marines.

[naive abyss]

like allot of how the imperium is causes chaos to flourish to some degree

[thin ibex]

in aos its a bit different

since stormcast pretty much do match or overmatch your standard chaos warrior i think

[naive abyss]

theyre a big bigger

chosen then are a bit bigger still

chaos and sigmar are in a big fight person cold war

with nagash in a distant third lol

[thin ibex]

but in fantasy it was more like the paragons of chaos were these deadly, looming and unstoppable hulking juggernauts and any other entity in the setting had to just hope they could figure it out

[naive abyss]

yeah

[lofty warren]

fantasy was grounded in a way thats appealing

aos seems to have unground itself

[naive abyss]

chaos warriors were literally ogs space marines

[thin ibex]

aos was just a genre shift to more high fantasy imo

[naive abyss]

just juiced and in fantasy power armor lol

i mean yes

[floral herald]

Yeah, like I think chaos cults could stand to be GSC-ified

[naive abyss]

also in og like the empire isnt perfect

[lofty warren]

chaos marines should still be awful because marines are bad and its interesting to see this sort of like

[floral herald]

Keep CSM the ravening pack of horrible assholes it’s great, but make a nicer but also like, tragically underprepared for the reality of the galaxy chaos cult faction

[naive abyss]

but it also isnt like categorically evil

[lofty warren]

engine of cyclical violence

[naive abyss]

40k chaos suffers allot from being entirely defined by marines atm

[floral herald]

And CSM are fun because they’re a good foil for loyalist CSM since they’re mostly the same (indoctrinated psychopathic killers) they just have more fun with it

[lofty warren]

loyalist CSM lmao

[floral herald]

Uhhh yeah that was Codex Space Marines commissar

[jaunty dawn]

I like characters like ingethel

[thin ibex]

(I do want to play non-chaos god aligned, non-imperium aligned renegades; because that appeals to me lol)

[lofty warren]

No Gods No Emperors

[thin ibex]

i feel as though many renegades are often forced into chaos worship, but im a big fan of the idea of renegades being so for varying reasons

[floral herald]

I had a fun time writing some renegades for my kill team

[jaunty dawn]

blackshields in hh 1e were pretty cool

[thin ibex]

sure that means they get like... killed by both chaos and loyalist marines, but thems the breaks

when you wanna make a stand and both sides are hella evil

[jaunty dawn]

and could be played as renegades

and do tech crimes to their armour and weaponry

[thin ibex]

i also like the idea of like "imperial soup" or faction soup renegades

but i fully accept that making rules for that would be incredibly muddy

[naive abyss]

this just reminds me of the old days of soup lol

[floral herald]

Back in the good old days of soup I had a orks/tau soup army

[naive abyss]

lol

[lofty warren]

was that legal?

[floral herald]

Yes

[lofty warren]

huh

that rules

[naive abyss]

i still vaguely remember one of the soup charts

[lofty warren]

actually

[jaunty dawn]

yeah 8e soup wasn't even the worst time

[naive abyss]

for what combos were legal

[floral herald]

But I had to keep my orks and Tau models at least 6” apart or they would lock up

Which is easy

[naive abyss]

"specifically BA and necrons"

[lofty warren]

tau gunline ork stabline

ez

[floral herald]

Damn you figured it out

[thin ibex]

I do think I could run a csm list as renegades and explain the dark pacts as instead pushing their equipment to the limit

And run the cultists as like normal anti imperial citizens

Prooobably couldn't do daemon engines, though with the right reskins could run them as rebel machine spirits

[floral herald]

This is what happens when you skip leg day

[desert jay]

Would not be hard to convert a castaferrum into a helbrute proxy

now contemplates the forgefiend/maulerfiend

[jaunty dawn]

replace head with admech dog head

remove spikes

[desert jay]

Yeah I was thinking about AdMech stuff

Maybe could put forgefiend guns on an onager

[jaunty dawn]

oh maybe

specially with stormtalus mentioning renegade soup

[floral herald]

Forgefiend can be a converted lighter tank

[desert jay]

I like keeping it a walker

[thin ibex]

Yeah I think it could all fit into a csm list just with a lot of reflavoring and model fixing tbh

I do think the csm rules might work better than the regular sm or guard ones too

[desert jay]

But the main hull box of an onager shares some design language with guard sentinels so would fit into renegade flavor

[lofty warren]

wish there were more daemon engine models

luv daemon engine

[floral herald]

There was a non-chaos defiler model someone made

[desert jay]

That said, "guard but with stricken livery" is probably the simplest renegade conversion

[lofty warren]

they should do some daemon engines that like

clearly used to be predators

or land raiders

but now have legs and dragon heads

i know thats technically lore wrong or whatever but god it would be cool

[desert jay]

Red paint ❌ over all the aquillas, maybe helmets replaced with hardhats or berets

[floral herald]

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2006/12/the-defiler.html

[naive abyss]

thats a carcinized leman russ

you cant fool me

[floral herald]

Happens to all war machines eventually

[thin ibex]

Hey its canon that enough people in the galaxy of 40k think crab is hot, going by daemonettes. It only follows that they'd start crabifying all their war gear over time

[brittle salmon]

RE: Lucius talk he's a dumb one note character and EC players deserve better

[jaunty dawn]

defilers

defiler deserves a chance in the sun I think

[desert jay]

Is Fulgrim better?

[thin ibex]

So I'll be honest I put them in my chaos lists because they are more comfortable to me than forgefuends

Because I played dawn of War

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

Im still not a fan of forgefiends haha

[thin ibex]

Defilers aren't bad as far as rules go are they? Just over shadowed?

[desert jay]

I think the foofiends are pretty sick

[thin ibex]

Or over costs?

[desert jay]

Favorite daemon engine

[brittle salmon]

No idea, I haven't read the HH novels he's skulked about in

[naive abyss]

all i know about fulgrim is the khan absolutely grilling his ass

and that just making me liek the khan even more lol

[jaunty dawn]

this is a daemon prince

[thin ibex]

I know the duel with mortarion was a thematic showdown but I do wonder who would have won in a duel pre daemonification, khan or fulgrim? My money is on khan because he doesn't stake all his pride into just swordsmanship

[floral herald]

I think Fulgrim is more interesting

[naive abyss]

thats unironically the khans point when they argue about it

[thin ibex]

I think fulgrim would be the better swordsman but khan the more adaptable

[naive abyss]

khans out here like "idgaf other than winning also youve shown literlaly everyone every move you have"

while fulgrim can probably barely remember the khans name lol

also i should say "argue"

the khan doesnt debate it he states it

[thin ibex]

Khan I feel like would be very much a "I'm not gonna beat you at your game, I'm going to change the game"

[naive abyss]

and it makes fulgrim start to throw a hissy fit lol

[floral herald]

I think it’s one of those cases where they’re closely matched enough that it’s kind of a tossup if multiple duels are fought

Sort of like Lion and Leman

[thin ibex]

Cause I do think that fulgrim is/ was one of the best interpersonal swordsman in the entire primarch cast, but his pride limited him

[naive abyss]

i feel with lion and leman it just depends on who gets angry first

cuz whoever gets angry first loses lol

[soft willow]

I miss Doomrider. He had a whole song.

[thin ibex]

Don't worry, Lemans will come back with the uh... emperors spear I guess, or maybe the emperors bollard dagger

Eventually enough primarchs return with the emperors stuff that they can voltron

Forming a... uh big pile of weapons

[desert jay]

Who has dibs on the Emperor's claws?

[thin ibex]

Corvus, wearing em on his feet

Gonna suck to be the one to get the emperors bolter though

Or the emperors Frag and krak grenades

[desert jay]

Rogal Dorn, obviously. He's even got the boltery chapter

[thin ibex]

You're completely correct how could I have forgotten

It replaces his missing hand

[naive abyss]

in theory lion would show up with the wolfspear

its arguably the most plot important weapon he has

and was given to him by the emperor

[thin ibex]

Why doesn't Leman have a lion axe or something

[naive abyss]

because the lion having the wolfblade was likely someones cheeky idea

[thin ibex]

Lol true

[naive abyss]

and also because the wolves are legally required to have every very important relic have the word wolf in it

otherwise the ghost of idk whoever first made them shows up and starts barking

[tired cairn]

Too precious to use, the end up being on the melee stat line

And now I feel like an ogryn should be the one to have found them

[brittle salmon]

Big box of hurt ('oly version)

[thin ibex]

Wolf wolf, wielding the wolf's fang frost sword and wolf bark bolt pistol. They ride Wolfy the thunderwolf into combat. They wear the wolf helm, as a symbol of their lupine authority. Their battlecry is "Wooooolf"

Proud member and hero of the space wolves chapter

[naive abyss]

but yeah tbh i want leman if he comes back to do for the 13th what lion did for the fallen

just out here like "YO THATS CHUCK AND HES GOT SICK GIANT TEETH NOW I LOVE CHUCK"

that or he just shows up with lady marines

cuz id find that funny

[thin ibex]

i kinda like... shift and flip flop on ideas with leman, on one hand I want fucked up wulfen leman, veteran of 10000 years of hunting chaos in their own realm; on the other, it would be somewhat cool to have him return but for him 10k years have not passed, instead he left like maybe a decade or so ago and thats it.

on another, it'd be cool to have an old man leman vibe; BUT i think logan already fits the odin theming nicely

[junior summit]

happy leman would be neat

well, maybe not happy but not crumbling like everything else

[naive abyss]

i still think khan coming bak would be the coolest

cuz he would absolutely take his ball and fuck off

[jaunty dawn]

honestly kinda weird that leman isn't back to a degree

[thin ibex]

his chapter has had two like huge crisises that wouldve ended them

and he was supposed to come back when needed most

[jaunty dawn]

like unlike gulliman and lions chekov's guns

[naive abyss]

well you see they had to figure out how lion came back first

[jaunty dawn]

his has had a finger on a trigger for ages

[naive abyss]

so he could be sad about leman for a bit

[jaunty dawn]

lol makes sense

[naive abyss]

very important preliminary step

[jaunty dawn]

but yeah like leman has been returning soon tm for like. the whole of 40k

[naive abyss]

that or whoever writes for the DA won the blood sport match to go first

[jaunty dawn]

whereas the other non dead loyal primarchs are like this is how they could return

[thin ibex]

i also think narratively having a leman who could not fight like the other primarchs or like he once did would be narratively interesting, but would not sell a model

so ultimately he's gotta be able to scrap somehow

[naive abyss]

ngl id find that more hilarious than anything

same energy as the white scar chapter master being basically a brain in a jar

[thin ibex]

its a fun narrative juxtoposition of hte vitality leman was known to possess imo

or it would be

[unreal cosmos]

I've already been proven wrong vis-a-vis the Lion but one downside of Leman returning would be collapsing the probability waves of what is and isn't Space Wolf myth

[thin ibex]

would actually be hilarious and fitting to me to have leman return and be like "yeah, half that shit is made up man. We tell tall tales, its our MO"

[naive abyss]

i mean to be fair

russ is also huffing the myth fumes

[unreal cosmos]

to be honest while I've been surprisingly pleased with the returning loyalists thus far I'd be more than happy to shut the door at 2

[naive abyss]

he goes into the warp in the HH to talk to the fenris god of death

that exists

for some reason

[unreal cosmos]

I also mean in terms of stuff like "what has Russ actually been doing all these years"

[naive abyss]

and then has a wolf jesus moment where hes stabbed by his false self au

[thin ibex]

while i get where you're coming from genome, I suspect that they wont stop at 2, now that everyone is waiting for their own favorite to make a comeback

[unreal cosmos]

I know they won't but

yknow

[naive abyss]

theyll at least get 3

[thin ibex]

and yeah leman really got up to some myth hero stuff in one of his more recent books

with teh spear and fate and all that

[naive abyss]

i do suspect theyll either match or be under by one with the traitors that come back

and well likely get at least fulgrim

[unreal cosmos]

I've said it before but I think more Primarchs should be canonically dead

[thin ibex]

apparently couldn't actually finish off horus despite having the chance because reasons

[soft willow]

Yeah at least one for each demon primarch.

[thin ibex]

khan coming back would make a better thematic pairing than leman i think, because of hte mortarion beef

but i think leman is more likely cause of raw popularity

[soft willow]

Gotta have the my guy can beat your guy action figures smashing together bit of the hobby covered.

[naive abyss]

i want khan cuz he wouldnt play ball with the IOM as it is now

[soft willow]

You say that like GW wouldn't find a way to shoehorn him in there if they wanted.

[naive abyss]

just robute staring red eyed as the khan just takes his chapters and homeworld and fucks off

[unreal cosmos]

If I had to pick two more returnals I'd say Vulkan (because it's not fair for the perpetual to stay dead) and... honestly kind of a dice roll between Khan and Corvus, it could be similar results

[naive abyss]

at most i could see robute being like "at least help me keep people alive"

[soft willow]

They also retconned Dorn being definately dead, to him being maybe dead.

[thin ibex]

corvus we know is teeeeechnically still around

just like

not in a big reveal way

he's like "lorgar where the fuck is my money you punk bitch"

[naive abyss]

id take corvus if it means we get lorgar

[unreal cosmos]

I think a dreadnaught primarch could be great and honestly when I think about it Vulkan or Khan could both have some real juicy irony

[thin ibex]

Slow khan would be heartbreaking but a great narrative development

[unreal cosmos]

I earnestly have Lorgar at the top of my "should be dead" list

[naive abyss]

i dont like corvus but i really wanna see daemon lorgar

but thats also because i find chaos undivided fascinating

[unreal cosmos]

None of the unaligned daemon primarchs interest me

[naive abyss]

and love how just "FUCK YEAH EVIL" the WB are

[mental birch]

My current theory regarding FW is that it does actually cost GW quite a bit per model because they have someone working UK salaries hand pour the resin.

[thin ibex]

vulkan would be funny because hed have to explain why he made his chapter go on a easter egg hunt for his old stuff

[naive abyss]

man that is a necroresponse and a half lol

[unreal cosmos]

Admiral please not again

[mental birch]

Ah oppps

Blah

Ignore me

Yeah

[unreal cosmos]

all the parts they assemble form his new dread body

[thin ibex]

"Yes, once you find all the shit I've lost, I'll return" - Vulkan via a text message

[naive abyss]

but the real reason is like demand and resin is expensive lol

[unreal cosmos]

actually I kinda love this now

[naive abyss]

but yeah primarch talk

ngl id hate khan dread

like that would just feel like salt in the wound for scars fans

[unreal cosmos]

he doesn't come back just to congratulate them for finding his cool puzzle pieces, the pieces are necessary for him to physically reform

[naive abyss]

and also really wouldnt make sense considering how he disappeared lol

[thin ibex]

leman was like "I'm totally not drunk, but im gonna just like... go. Don't worry though, when i come back it'll be big and important and you'll need it. Also Bjorn you stay here, I'm taking all my other homies with me."

[unreal cosmos]

"it wouldn't make sense to come back mortally wounded after riding into Stab Alley"

[naive abyss]

ngl ferrus coming back as a fire skeleton

could maybe save ferrus as a character

[thin ibex]

ferrus coming back as hand from the adams family

[naive abyss]

like i forever struggle with the iron hands lol

[unreal cosmos]

Honestly Legion of the Damned Ferrus is the most interesting thing they could do with him or LotD

[naive abyss]

cuz love the chapter. but man does their dad just sorta look lame lol

[thin ibex]

im not enamored with dread khan, but i would be intrigues by khan plagued by a thing that slows or mitigates his legendary speed

[naive abyss]

like you couldve done so muh with the idea of "weird metal hands man" and instead you spray tanned his arms chrome

[naive abyss]

thematically i get why thats interesting

but i cant have like a reasonable response to it

[jaunty dawn]

khan coming back in dread form before a single named bike is made would be like

actually malicious lol

[naive abyss]

yeah

thats sorta the most like calm way to say it

[soft willow]

Someone at GW just really hates White Scars fans.

[unreal cosmos]

khan comes back as a dread that is the cockpilot of the world's coolest fighter jet

[naive abyss]

like sorry im not trying to be like combative

but man just woof

[thin ibex]

id actually not mind khan like somehow physically injured in such a way that he's more attached to the bike or something. (Also primarch on a bike would be a nice offset to the winged chaos primarchs in terms of speed

since rn all the loyalists are slower)

[unreal cosmos]

he's got an Immortan Joe mask hooked up to his bike

[naive abyss]

i just want like guan yu in his last years vibes ngl

i want him to be the oldest looking

[thin ibex]

id be here to have khan + a guandao

[unreal cosmos]

what if he had like

an engine in his midsection

[naive abyss]

like gimme this on a jet bike

[thin ibex]

yeah id be down for that

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/qj5uc2/too_all_the_people_complaining_khan_doesnt_have/

[thin ibex]

though its kind of like the lion in that old age slows him, not like crippled, but just... having to adjust to actually aging

LOL

[naive abyss]

ngl i dont want him to become a go fast cyborg meme

[thin ibex]

of course

fucking jetbike roller skates

[naive abyss]

like i want the cultural inspos of the scars to just aggressively shine through

and the fact the khan is arguably the only surviving like "heroic" primarch lol

[unreal cosmos]

My case was more, if he's just been active this whole time I would want there to be heavier wear and tear evident, having to replace parts seems logical

[naive abyss]

i mean sure give him bionics

[thin ibex]

that is an issue i just realized, the current khan being effectively a brain in a jar is a very cool way to do a scar who's life is more around tactics than fighting; and this idea of the khan evolving into a more tactically oriented leader rather than speedman is robbed a bit if the actual current white scars chapter master is that idea but even more so

[naive abyss]

but idk the lion came back just older and that was cool

[thin ibex]

current chapter master i mean

[unreal cosmos]

I just wouldn't be as interested in them doing it again

[naive abyss]

i mean arguably thats not the end point of the khan

[thin ibex]

I really liked that i think it was a chaos marine responded to the lion questioning himself and hes like "You just got older dog" and then died

[unreal cosmos]

yeah that was good

[naive abyss]

the end point is "i shall always strive to save other with the strength i was given"

like thats literally the final like point of his character arc lol

i like the idea of a khan whose very much a fighter and using what he knows best but maybe hes more patient with how he uses it

[thin ibex]

oh no, i just mean thematically i think it would be cool if the Khan himself evolved in some way with age, and my first thought was like being more tactically hands off n such; but thats a bit of the theming with the current chapter master, obv taken to a further extreme than what id imagine for the khan

[naive abyss]

yeah and its weird with the khan

cuz he actually has a character development arc lol

unlike most of the primarchs really imo

[thin ibex]

oh, i remember roboute left calgar in charge of hte UM so that roboute could lead the imperium. Do we know of the lion is taking charge of the angels or is he also kind of doing the free agent thing?

presumably roboute and him do some planning and talkin

[naive abyss]

weve not gotten that far i dont think

[thin ibex]

ahh thats fair

im curious how that relationship will evolve

[naive abyss]

theyre also on different sides of the rift

[thin ibex]

cause like rn, whatever thir past relationship, as far as either of em know they're the only brothers either of em still have

[naive abyss]

this is just remiding me of that one meme

https://youtu.be/rUldbmgYNnA?si=z6_VUx0_snG-yMse

[unreal cosmos]

My one actual tangible point against Jaghatai Khan returning is that he was one of the coolest Primarchs and if he never shows up again he'll never be at risk of no longer being one of the coolest primarchs lol

[naive abyss]

while true

[thin ibex]

itd be worth

the risk

[naive abyss]

hell at least in theory mean i get actual scars models

which im willing to sacrifice unreasonable things for lol

[thin ibex]

im nominally a wolves player but like... scars shouldve/should get some of the model treatment the wolves got tbh. Or the blood angels

[unreal cosmos]

we got in kind of a nasty fight last time this went further so I'll just let my case rest there

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8ANgNCSamo&t=3s&ab_channel=Brick

[thin ibex]

though im of course that silly minded person who also thinks, honestly, that most of the chapters should have gotten some kind of special unit of their own. Like factions in age of empires or something

rather than some factions getting entirely their own lines of models

[unreal cosmos]

"hmm space marines don't have enough toys"

[thin ibex]

if im wishing openly

it wouldve been that wolves, BA, DA, and BT got less and the other chapters got more

rather than everything getting more on top of everything else

heck, salamanders are reasonably popular as a chapter but they only have 2 characters

[naive abyss]

i mean frankly my stance is less marines have too many toys and more ultramarines have too many toes

[unreal cosmos]

I do wonder if Pariah Nexus means they're getting more heat, no pun intended

[naive abyss]

like just sacrifice half of the weird redundant generic marine stuff for some amount of actual unique flavors of marine

cuz tbh every marine release is ultimately in part now just an ultramarine release imo

if only by the inherent fact they are the face

[unreal cosmos]

I have a counterpoint bubbling within me but in the name of peace I will keep it there. You've obviously got real passion about these things.

[naive abyss]

and thus are both repping their own chapter and the massive swathe of generic marines

[thin ibex]

I want a f 150 front to put on an impulsor

Cawl brand grav pickup truck

[naive abyss]

so i just was glancing through the stream of warhammer day

and noticed theres a scars banner in the background

and now my brain is trying to make me hope that means something lol

[floral herald]

It sure might

GW does like to do stuff like that

[naive abyss]

i know

but also i know not to hope as a scars fan lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerFantasy/comments/1791bz7/new_rumours_from_hastings/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

take with salt

but im down for a new plastic boar chariot

that was one of the orc and gob models that looked the most dated

and itd be nice if it was update to match the honestly really good boar riders

btw does anyione know how big th boar riders like ar?

im curious how viable using them as count as for squig hogs for my homebrew warband theyd be

oh shit

they are super comparable in size

hell yeah

i could totally 40k some up as proxies

https://www.reddit.com/r/orks/comments/plqwy2/size_comparison_squighog_vs_aos_boar/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

hell depending on the way the squighog riders are modeled i may be able to just slap them on lol

[unreal cosmos]

neato...

[naive abyss]

im very here for this due to my warband being the krimson boarz

and planning to use the artel iron khan as a count as ghaz

https://artelw.com/Iron-Khan-p498099265

[unreal cosmos]

I'm all for that kitbash, tho I do think that as the baseline kit the squighogs was a really clever way of refitting boar riders to the modern ork aesthetic paradigm

[naive abyss]

oh i like the squighogs ngl

just in my specific case this is a cool fluff thing

[unreal cosmos]

100%

it opens fun stuff like "where did they get those"

[naive abyss]

cuz theyre like my weird gaulic orks who are fighting my irish space lov

[unreal cosmos]

excellent

...will there be Warboss Azterikz

[naive abyss]

and i like the idea of the orks in that recipe being all about boars due to the symbology of the boar in the cultures im drawing from

theres a warboss gorezalor

which is an orked up versoin of the balor

[unreal cosmos]

oh excellent

[naive abyss]

specifically its Gorezalor da One Eyed

he has a cybork vizor eye that shoots a laser lol

one sec i have the wole things write up

also this is like the third time gorezalor has come back from being killed lol

[soft willow]

“Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.” You’ve learned your 40K lore well.

[naive abyss]

lol

https://twitter.com/BitsHammer/status/1714082536584831220

Bits (@BitsHammer)

I still need to paint her at some point.

Twitter · Oct 17, 2023, 12:54 AM

[tepid stratus]

Got a start on the hogs

From left to right: red river hog, Indian boar and Visayan warthog

I decided to go for the dark furred Indian boar for the tuskboss since all the extra armour would just cover up the fur patterns anyways

[uneven ember]

oh nice!

[pastel rampart]

Hell yeah

[pulsar cairn]

chaos corrupted Hogs?

[jaunty dawn]

votann maybe?

[quaint compass]

The red dot makes me wanna say Primaris

[jaunty dawn]

it's all round

[naive abyss]

Ngl that looks very either gsc or munda

[jaunty dawn]

mm

[naive abyss]

Like its a literal rpg pistol lol

[past sphinx]

Rpg pistol with red dot and bipod, amazing

Big swing, kroot antitank

[past sphinx]

That is an ironhead weapon grip tho

The shapes right

And ironhead don't have a template weapon

Maybe it's the weapon addon kit

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596197650332778498/1163843286465781780/940b0246ecbd03a2596a2bbdae958128.png?ex=65410c86&is=652e9786&hm=9b497bbb0342dbfa9a3dfa9ed9ed58f25224d43534953059a654bb13c8d8dc05&

[floral herald]

Hmm

[floral herald]

I also think GSC or guard

[onyx elm]

Which Chaos God could make their home in Barbieland?

[floral herald]

Barbie

[onyx elm]

But everyone there is names... ohh... oh noooo....

[naive abyss]

I think when I do my munda squats I'll use a scheme like this just with orange cloth for peak miner/cosmonaut lol

Just not sure if I want yellow or white helmets lol

[zinc field]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ImaginaryMonsters/comments/15b87dd/eldritch_horror_barbie_by_amita_sevellaraja/

[pastel rampart]

...would.

[zinc field]

L̶͑̈i̴͑̃f̸̥̀ë̶́̎ ̵̈̔ì̴͖n̵̉ plastic, i͈͗t̸̋̕’̶̿͑s̵͛ fantas̷͛̿t̷̉̔ï̷̞c

[quaint compass]

Barbie is just Vashtorr realized into godhood

[naive abyss]

https://youtu.be/SMblnHalvKI?si=q4OWcuUGMH1egKFc

Not warhammer but very in the same vibe

[dense sedge]

I’d love gsc rocket troops

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1714256335624122775?t=1Q1x3cu7FhZuFr_o3KKUCw&s=19

[lofty warren]

I love power armor that stretches humanoid designs

Digitigrade legs, tails

[topaz elk]

Same

[naive abyss]

Well that's less the armor and more it being a protogen lol

[pastel rampart]

I could see that design with a badger-shaped helm.

Badgers are dwarfy as fuck.

[topaz elk]

I mean the armor is fitting for his form

It’s got digitigrade legs, an armored tail

[naive abyss]

It's also not power armor lol

[lofty warren]

I mean it doesnt really matter to the point im making

Power armor shape with digitigrade legs and tail

[lofty warren]

Also it absolutely is riffing off the LoV power armor

Like maybe in fiction its part of w body but functionally its depicting power armor

[topaz elk]

I really wanna get some art of my power armored Minotaur character

[jaunty dawn]

it takes more from the kahl's void armour than the einhyr's exo armour

[topaz elk]

I really wanna incorporate horns into the helmet

[lofty warren]

Horns rule

[topaz elk]

They do!

[cinder wraith]

the new GW article revealing the secrets of the ash waste terrain

and im now invested

i need

more terrain

[jaunty dawn]

If I could just mess around with the gw terrain system all day that would be awesome

alas, money

almost seems a shame that it's so intricately designed to be modular and then half of it isn't for sale

[storm schooner]

oh shit those buildings are maybe compatiable with our like raised walkways

[thin ibex]

maps with verticality are a challenge i posit, for 40k, but also visually a joy

considering most maps are effectively flat ground with some stuff

like buildings or tall rocks

[naive abyss]

The lov don't have power armor is my point lol

[jaunty dawn]

...exo armour is power armour

[thin ibex]

wouldnt it still be powered armor if not Power Armor capital p

thinking about it having powered functionalities in consideration of being also a space suit

[naive abyss]

Power armor is a specific kind of armor in setting

And exo armor as is is closer to terminator suits

[jaunty dawn]

terminator suits are also power armour

[naive abyss]

I don't agree but I also don't want to get into a semantics argument lol

[lofty warren]

I am literally using it in the most basic way of "armor that is powered"

[brittle salmon]

Unde you kinda already did make it a semantics argument

[naive abyss]

Ok let me rephrase. I don't want to drag out what is a semantics argument.

[thin ibex]

the KT for lov got a jump jetter guy right? That means its not unlikely to get jump jet troops in teh near-ish future eh?

[floral herald]

It's certainly possible yeah

[cinder wraith]

real

[thin ibex]

i wonder if they'll be like slightly slower than jump jetters of other factions

[cinder wraith]

i miss their sector mechanicus stuff

the walkways and such

[jaunty dawn]

gonna be a killzone of some of it but then its like how long will that even be around

[cinder wraith]

yes

but its not the OG sector mechanicus terrain

which im salty about

[jaunty dawn]

mm

[cinder wraith]

the previews for the 40th anniversary of warhammer

wasn't that enjoyable despite being the 40th anniversary

it felt half assed tbf

[naive abyss]

It felt oddly like not stuffed

For lack of a better word

Hell for some reason they just didn't include the munda stuff and did it Monday lol

[storm schooner]

I feel like for 40k you've gotta plan the 40th like, real hard

[cinder wraith]

funnily enough they somewhat forgot about flesh eater courts

which is the last battletome for this edition of AOS

no news about it

just dawnbringers

thats it

[naive abyss]

My biggest take away from the aos was "Oh fuck I'm so making that dragon riding dude a chaos lord" lol

Like its weird to me still the models I'm most excited for are the foot knights and like the dragon if only to convert it

But the foot knights and the presence of damsel knights literally inspired me to homebrew a dukedom lol

I think scorpions update got sorta muffled for me by it just being oops all dudes still lol

Like easy enough to convert probably but still

[upper canopy]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/313840529622171660/1163828860513685604/F8l0ECnWYAAxQkk.png?ex=6540ff17&is=652e8a17&hm=669feb0872315800a9f2331a19ae9eabb6614f3b67e49d3e0fdb52a535430e58&

[soft willow]

Legs Ave. works quick on those halloween costumes.

[thin ibex]

so rules question, if during the shooting phase, does all shooting from a unit have to resolve before resolution like removing models happens?

was curious about if a player elects to remove the units that are giving the player LoS when taking hits would shut down the rest of the shooting sequence

[tired cairn]

I believe you determine shooting eligibility when you are choosing targets for each weapon, and after they it doesn't matter

I think removing each model is technically each attack roll?

But other effects won't happen until shooting is over for the unit (like the Carnifex's blistering assault move)

[thin ibex]

so say as far as resolution goes, they remove the models that enable LoS before the rest of the attacks are resolved; do those other attacks still go through because at the time of assignment the shot was possible or does the shooting unit lose those attacks?

[tired cairn]

Yes

[soft willow]

Yup you get the shot.

[tired cairn]

Because you assign shots before any resolution

[thin ibex]

ok neat

ive been bamboozled by that in the past and i think both parties just ran it wrong

it can stop another unit from shooting at your unit, but it cant shut off the shooting coming from this unit

[soft willow]

Previous editions have handled it differently, as have different games, poeple often play games without really knowing the rules forwards and backwards.

[naive abyss]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/ironkin-heads

[cinder wraith]

GW has stopped sending products to local retailer due to the war

https://tenor.com/view/hannibal-buress-this-sucks-man-ha-gif-12215277

[upper canopy]

Which war?

[pulsar cairn]

israel

[upper canopy]

Gotcha

[upper canopy]

https://vxtwitter.com/Kabooski01/status/1714319723049963877

Love the idea that every faction gets a Stilt Guy

[lofty warren]

stilt proliferation

[soft willow]

Except Squats.

Also does the Cerastus pattern Knight count as the stilts for Knights? Or do we actually need to put even longer legs on them?

[upper canopy]

LONGER legs

[soft willow]

New knight chassis that's 20in tall then?

[upper canopy]

YEAAAAAH

[desert jay]

Space Marines meanwhile are ahead of the stilt game

[naive abyss]

https://www.deviantart.com/principefenice/art/Warhammer-Quest-Bretonnian-Knight-SOLD-776029728

[wide veldt]

Anyway my point was mostly that it’s just really funny that “space marines are male” is such a sticking point

When the only thing mandating it is a single piece of relatively unimportant lore

It’s not like the black carapace is formed of testosterone lmao

[upper canopy]

It's not like hormones aren't a thing you can't just shove into a person

It's not like you have a hormone explicitly in this setting that you can shove into someone that lets them shapeshift their entire body including genetalia

[wide veldt]

……… wait hold on yeah

I never thought about that

[upper canopy]

Thank you Ian Watson

your weird genestealer fetish paves the way for women space marines everywhere

[wide veldt]

Wait sorry how does this tie to genestealers, I just thought one of the assassin types could shape shift

[lofty warren]

She shapeshifted into a genestealer

[upper canopy]

That lore came from the first 40k novel, Inquisistor, where yea

[wide veldt]

Speaking of, god the imperial assassins ball hard

[upper canopy]

And then they boned.

[wide veldt]

O

[lofty warren]

Also mother gullet

[wide veldt]

Hhhh

Wh

The implications of this

[upper canopy]

It's not implication.

[lofty warren]

Inquisitor is a really horny novel

[upper canopy]

Unless you mean the implications for Astartes then yes

[lofty warren]

I think the implications for what polymorphine can do

Like if u can shapeshift into a tyranid

Tbh why use polymorphine only for impersonation

Make fucked up genetic shock troops

[wide veldt]

Yeah

That

[upper canopy]

Because it's super expensive

Is the usual explaination

[lofty warren]

Bah

Assassins

[upper canopy]

So I'd say yeah making an Astartes would be worth it but like making Some Guys wouldn't

[lofty warren]

Im beginning to think callidus are just an excuse for skintight bodysuit lady minis

[wide veldt]

Oh I mean for sure

To both of those statements

[upper canopy]

As are Howling Banshees.

Except you can officially rule that any amount of those gals are trans.

[floral herald]

There’s even lore talking about how space marines are on external hormones to maintain their metabolism and physique

From like 2005 but it’s not like lore has an expiration date

Chemical treatment – Until his initiation, a Marine must submit to constant tests and examinations. The newly implanted organs must be monitored very carefully, imbalances corrected, and any sign of corrupt development treated. This chemical treatment is reduced after completion of the initiation process, but it never ends. Marines undergo periodic treatment for the rest of their lives in order to maintain a stable metabolism. This is why their power armour suits contain monitoring equipment and drug dispensers.

The Twitter chuds beefing with Gary Chalk about this are pretty funny though

[upper canopy]

My friend Kristina was losing her mind over that

[jaunty dawn]

monkgender

[floral herald]

Like I don’t want to drag it all in here but it’s very silly

[brittle salmon]

lmfao

[thin ibex]

Great response

[desert jay]

@upper canopy My headcanon with Cawl is that the 'rapid' tech development is him and his followers dragging ten thousand years of secret side projects out of closets that they weren't supposed to be working on and hid away and then Cawl said "y'know what fuck it, today we publish"

"Anyone been tinkering with Land Speeder engines? Good we can use that"

[upper canopy]

Oh yeah I subscribe to that headcanon too

[lofty warren]

i always love this kind of "guy gatekeeps a foundational indevidual" dunking

[upper canopy]

But it's also unfortunatey Not Canon

[lofty warren]

fuck canon

my brain is larger than Games Workshop

[upper canopy]

Me since 2016

[jaunty dawn]

is that not basically how the primaris work

cawl just been working on everything for 10k waiting for gulliman to give the okay

[desert jay]

That is basically the lore for Primaris, ye

And I'm applying it to all their guns and vehicles and etc too

[lofty warren]

not to laud if the emperor had a text to speech device too much but i really enjoyed their depiction of cawl

brief as it was

"Feature creep con-FIRMED!"

depicting cawl as working on primaris in secret and that being used as leverage against him was a fun way of arranging it

[upper canopy]

I wanna do my bit where I say "those guys suck" but every time I do I have to explain that I'm those guys

A vicious cycle

[lofty warren]

voy, those guys

[upper canopy]

Cawl was fun

[lofty warren]

i really miss TTS

but like. hunter the parenting i think is an overall better show thus far

[upper canopy]

I'm mad I'm more into 40k now that it's over

[lofty warren]

hey if we all get together and buy james workshop

we can save tts

this is an attainable goal

but yeah tts i think is still the only bit of media with the correct attitude towards 40k

reverent irreverence

40k is wonderful and stupid and such a large object

[upper canopy]

I still think it's funny how memes from tts are still alive

[lofty warren]

it introduced a generation of people to warhammer

i suspect it will be influential for ages to come

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/lewdbees/status/1714349468869673331

[uneven ember]

HELP HIM

[floral herald]

Lmao

Like a giraffe

[naive abyss]

did some tweaking

mostlly cleaned up stuff and tweaked some of the names lol

so now literally every named character at least in part references the beast of gevaudan

[uneven ember]

oh nice
Got to love the classical references

[naive abyss]

lol yeah

idk why but ive gotten into the habit of any like franco inspired thing i do reffing it

in part cuz it has a cool fight lady in its myth

and also connected to werewolf myths

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/GNvG4

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/YlwXd

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/qVJlP

[pale narwhal]

Something arrived in the mail today that I am perhaps far too excited about

[solemn gull]

Mmmm Blanche…

[pale narwhal]

And Ian Miller

Who although is perhaps less of a contribution to Warhammer does excellent work