Warhammer and Such

[modern tiger]

I fuck with it it’s peak admech

[dense sedge]

Announcement for old world release though which is neat, looks like factions will be low to the ground at relaunch

[jaunty dawn]

seems like they'll be launching with two factions getting refreshed yeah

[junior robin]

bit tempted to replace the rod parts of the legs with like, mechadendrites to make it look even weirder.

[jaunty dawn]

just glad I don't have to wait too long for gw to sell me wood elves again

[naive abyss]

I'm pretty sure we already knew that it was only bretts and kings getting stuff

[junior robin]

if only skaven was on the list of armies so they had an excuse to redo stuff into plastic

[naive abyss]

I'm curious what dorf stuff they'll have available

[jaunty dawn]

tbf I think the reason skaven aren't core is because their refresh is going to be handles by aos and not oldworld

[naive abyss]

Cuz there's some old lord sculpts I really liked

[jaunty dawn]

whose teams intentionally do not like

have access to each others secrets

haha

[naive abyss]

Lol

I wonder how they'll handle lizardmen

[junior robin]

wonder if they are brave enough to re-relase the goblin hewer

[jaunty dawn]

it'll be interesting yeah

[naive abyss]

Like Idk if you can block up the new ones but it'll really suck if they try to just sell the old ones

[naive abyss]

We can hope

[jaunty dawn]

they've mentioned using the seraphon refresh models for lizardmen I think

[naive abyss]

Fair

Also props for there seemingly being a lady Knight in the middle

Though I could be seeing things

[pine matrix]

Really digging this, splash zone kill team

[pine matrix]

I can see it!

[naive abyss]

Mm mm

[jaunty dawn]

very into floor is lava kill team

[floral herald]

The Admech water park is a lot of fun

[junior robin]

reminds me of that giant water platform map they built when those terrain pieces was released

[cloud flicker]

https://reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/s/D3SePKWuzV

I didn’t know that 40k had the Ren Fair

[junior robin]

Idea: add a servitor to the base with a gun rest attached to the head

[jaunty dawn]

I think I also would rather a model that's aiming

hopefully that's an option

should be convertible from the foot arqubus if not though

[junior robin]

should work, might have to cut away part of the bandoleer

[pastel rampart]

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-gorebots-goremancer-mind-melter-241542 something like this for ultimate goofy

[cinder wraith]

which game?

40k?

[junior robin]

might have been kill team but not sure if it was released back then? 🤔

though the book they read in the corner looks like 40k

[storm schooner]

That's kill team or some kind of Skirmish thing

[tired cairn]

There was the pre-kill team kill team

[dense sedge]

I wonder how they’ll deal with the split AoS and ow factions since both have different paradigms

[junior robin]

shadow war armageddon!

the good old days

[dense sedge]

I suspect cities may become a sort of dark fantasy Warcraft alliance vibes and loose it’s lost toys

[naive abyss]

i mean cos is out with its new army book

on another note. im still cranky about allot of old world. but im rather fond of the knights on foot if only cuz theyll look kick ass fighting chaos warriors

and im in the middle of rotating my homebrew warband of slaves as is lol

i do wonder if theyll at some point do a model of the everchosen prior to archaon

i forget his name but im pretty sure he shows up in this period

aka im remembering that chaos warriors are just glorious coed "love to be evil kill em all" in the best sorta way

also im vaguely pround of the aos lore i have for my homebrew of just like fanatically undivided warband who actively sees all aligned followers of chaos as a disease to burn away

and that its fun i have them pit against some nurgle followers

what with their whole thing being they literally are smouldering with weird chaos fire vs the putrid rotting walking tumor people lol

ngl i adore this banner

like i have no idea why it has a bunch of locks on it but its cool as fuck

also you know if i was crazy and dependin gon the scale dif these would proably make great fodder for non boob armor sob

[soft willow]

Anyone else having trouble ordering the Warhammer day Einhyr Champ?

[naive abyss]

ive yet to try

it may be the website getting flooded

lemme check on my end

[soft willow]

James Workshop sent me two emails about it and all I get is a 404.

[naive abyss]

yeah something weird is happening

i think its only posted on specific regions website atm

cuz it cant even find it on the US mirror

it appears only to be up on the AU one atm

[soft willow]

Probably needs someone to flip a switch then.

[naive abyss]

for some reason

[soft willow]

I’ll check back in a few hours.

[naive abyss]

so thats likely the issue

[zinc field]

Admech players today

[naive abyss]

the one bummer with old world being set when it is is in regards to brettonia is we cant get repanse

just noticed this in the trailer and ngl the scale difference is sorta funny

big the knights are bigger cuz they get to eat meat energy lol

[cinder wraith]

planning to run a mini necromunda campaign

cause current is cancelled due to war

any tips

?

[soft willow]

If you're keeping it short give people a little more money to start and get weird with it.

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1713210595091042306

https://vxtwitter.com/DiceyJune/status/1713229196825395461

huh they didnt even use the most common krieg scheme for it...

weird

[floral herald]

Ok the extraordinarily long coat is goated

[naive abyss]

lol

[past sphinx]

Those are gonna be rad munda conversions

[naive abyss]

lol

[past sphinx]

I actually really like em as they are to

Their fuckin weird

[topaz elk]

Ok admittedly I kinda disagree with this when half the enemies in the game are bright yellow

and half the maps are orange and yellow when they're outside

[lofty warren]

Yeah the long coated take looks a lot better

[soft willow]

The Ancestor's Wrath is up now.

[naive abyss]

cheers

[topaz elk]

Oh finally

[naive abyss]

still bummed by no lady rep but that theoretically shouldnt be too hard to kitbash

foot knights have me thinking up a dukedom. liking the sound and idea of the Dukedom of Gevaudaen rules by Duchess Jeanne Valet D'Louveau

and yes it is me just aggressively taking beast/maid of gevaudan stuff lol

even gonna base it on this heraldry lol

just debating if i want the wolf the founding duchess killed to be some sorta dire wolf or a werewolf

i sorta like the latter cuz then maybe i can say the royal line suffers from a intermittent curse of lycanism

[pastel rampart]

And hint that maybe the duchess is still out there, in the dark woods, forever a snarling werewolf

[naive abyss]

oo

instead of it being a true story its a lie

like the founding duke went to go slay a werewolf and "died in the quest"

and then his wife goes to slay it in revenge but finds that he had succeded but been turned so ends up just hunting a big wolf to bring the head back of

and now each duchess paranoidally hides evidence of the werewolf

and has a whole order called like Chevaliers de la Chasse aka knights of the hunt. who just try to find to kill and/or keep secret the old dukes existence

[pastel rampart]

Good excuse to model them with wolf pelts too

https://www.amazon.com/Design-Toscano-Tritonia-Atmospheric-Steampunk/dp/B07FTP9CQK/ finally, an affordable knight titan proxy

[naive abyss]

lol

[pastel rampart]

Also, saw this at Cotsco for $60 and ngl? Tempted.

Fight for the emperor around Donald Duck's spooky mansion.

[naive abyss]

lol

[pastel rampart]

gonna go back in a couple of days and see if it's been discounted further. if it was $40 you bet yer ass I would've bought it on the spot.

[floral herald]

Amazing Mordheim terrain right there

[pastel rampart]

Or Malifaux!

[floral herald]

Ooo

Yeah

[pastel rampart]

Or honestly damn near anything. Would be all you'd need for a KT-sized board.

[floral herald]

Yeah

I gotta look at bulk stores and see if I can’t find something kind of like this lol

[pastel rampart]

Now's the time, really. Lot of stores are trying to get rid of halloween stuff.

Michaels might have something too.

[thin ibex]

Oh I'm kinda down for the striking scorpions

[floral herald]

Blades of Khaine seems very cool

I’m curious which all aspects will be available

[jaunty dawn]

they said all plastic aspects

on stream

[floral herald]

Honestly I just don’t remember which all are plastic

[brittle salmon]

Which are whom?

Yeah

Neither

[floral herald]

Scorps, Banshees, Avengers

I forget if there’s more

I think Reapers are plastic now?

[thin ibex]

Ooo avengers would be fun

Diresword would probably be strong at that scale

[floral herald]

I know it’s those first three I just don’t know if there’s more

Hawks or Spiders would be cool

But hard to balance

[jaunty dawn]

reapers are

they came with plastic maughen

although I'm guessing it doesn't include crimson hunters and shining spears xP

[floral herald]

Lmfao a crimson hunter in kill team would be hilarious

[jaunty dawn]

could be strat tbf

a tactical ploy

[sinful merlin]

There was that steel legion cosmetic they sold near release that made anyone wearing it look exactly like the yellow enemies yeah lol

[sour sequoia]

Monolith color test

[unreal cosmos]

I like it!

kinda marble-y

[naive abyss]

you know this would also make a really cool chaos lord

my first thought was a vamp count but chaos lord would be even easier to do

and would make like a cool archaeon proxy

[pastel rampart]

Chaos dragon with 2 heads is the premier design imo

[naive abyss]

yeah given it a second head would def add to it

but even sans that

like heres a super basic arm and head swap

and like replace the bakc thing with a chaos banner of some kind

like the dragon reads as pretty daemonic with how its sculpted as is

its probably way smaller than archaeon

but i imagine in casual play most would be find with it as a proxy of him but repping as a homebrew character

[pastel rampart]

So long as it's on the same base size I don't think people would have an issue.

https://plasticcraic.files.wordpress.com/2021/08/jay-40jammiedenny91.jpg

He's stupid big even compared to the old lord on manticore

[naive abyss]

mm mm

[pastel rampart]

https://i.redd.it/ywoj5xv0vfh61.jpg

[naive abyss]

hell dependin on the sive difference and how theyre modeled on you could maybe slap the lord on karkadrak on there

[pastel rampart]

Possibly.

I'd probably go with your conversion suggestion on account of it being way easier to transport and I think the current Archaeon mount to be ugly as sin.

[naive abyss]

oh no i meant for the conversion

like idk how well the scales fit but i may be able to slap the dude on the karkadrak on there lol

[pastel rampart]

I mean using the new dragon as a base and calling it Archaeon the Reasonably-Sized Mount

[naive abyss]

oh yeah id likely do that either way

im just brainstorming the best conversion routes

ah damn

karkadrak lord is modeled on the thing

so no just plopping him on lol

[dense sedge]

my brother has very annoyed that old world is going to be using resin

[naive abyss]

im right there with him

[pastel rampart]

Just the feet, which should be easy to carve off.

[naive abyss]

well the idea was if he was put on like as a seperate thing to put him on the dragon

but actually thinking i may just be able to slap on archaon

hes fully seperate lol

[pastel rampart]

Aaah. Hm, not impossible to do, but it'd require some careful cutting and maybe a magnet.

Another option is a chaos knight from the previous plastic kit, which is separate from the horse.

[naive abyss]

its funny because off his mount hes pretty cool

[naive abyss]

idk if the chaos knights are seperate cuz arent they push fit?

[pastel rampart]

The new ones are, but the old kit isn't.

[naive abyss]

those likely wouldl be too small

considering its a stomrcast on there lol

[pastel rampart]

https://miniset.net/files/set/gw-99120201049.jpg

These'uns

[naive abyss]

mm mm

[pastel rampart]

They'll be smaller than a stormcast but not that small. I've seen people mash together bits from those + a stormcast so they scale together well enough.

[naive abyss]

fair

[pastel rampart]

Might be easier to source second-hand.

I do want the karkadrak lord to a similar thing to this bitchin' conversion.

[naive abyss]

vibe

[pastel rampart]

Wanna convert it into a big ol' bull centaur for the chorfs, one of the hero choices.

[pulsar cairn]

uuuuuh why do they have chainswords?

[pastel rampart]

They've always had chainswords.

[brittle salmon]

yeah, that's their thing

[naive abyss]

this sorta works

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, that's good.

[floral herald]

The majority of Eldar weapons are just “human weapon but better”

[pastel rampart]

Add some chaos-y stuff to the dragon to help it match, of course.

[naive abyss]

may have to get rid of his cape or something so its less wacky in motion language

[pastel rampart]

https://www.tga.community/forums/topic/25896-archaon-friends-conversion-project-wip/

[tired cairn]

So in conclusion, the chainsword is the perfect weapon that needs no improvement

Like how horseshoe crabs haven't changed in millions of years

[floral herald]

The Eldar one is probably like better weight balance or something but yeah

[lofty warren]

Why marine chaplain riding dragon

[naive abyss]

not a marine chaplain lol

also ive realized the chaos lord on daemon mount is modeled seperate lol

[desert jay]

They should've made it a chainsabre, with a curved blade

[naive abyss]

def digging this one the most so far ng

[pulsar cairn]

eldar are fricking weirdos

[tired cairn]

Chain katana because they are a bunch of weebs

[desert jay]

Sure why not

[pulsar cairn]

uuuhhh

how do i explain the cursed founding to my friend who doesn't know anything about warhammer?

she asked me about the lamenters cause i was looking at this one image of them....trying to explain that now...

[final tide]

They have a genetic curse of Being Doomed

This makes them grand and heroic

“For those we cherish, we die in glory”

[pulsar cairn]

they were also really nice people for space marine standards

[final tide]

Sanginius has many sons, and the Lamentors are his martyrs heart, if that cyphers

[topaz elk]

No Cypher is one of The Lion’s boys

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/HiveFleetHyper/status/1713290358782611891

[naive abyss]

not sure which i prefer ngl lol

[modern tiger]

if stiltsguy is the only thing we get for the admech codex ima be a tad dissapointed

i want a sicarian leader

and titanguard but not actually guarding titans, theyre so cool

[junior robin]

some plastic servitors would be nice 🥺

[naive abyss]

other variant of the edit lol

still not sure what i prefer alas

tweaked the white scaled one a bit

fiddled with the bases colors a bit on this one lol

[floral herald]

https://vxtwitter.com/greywulf/status/1712768288348832087?s=20

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/KierdaleModels/status/1711746080134832626 It'd be this person.

https://vxtwitter.com/KierdaleModels/status/1713075688444662029

[floral herald]

oh sweet

[pastel rampart]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/533983019393089536/1162286452944670730/v09044g40000ckk2vsrc77ubb1s8cg10.mp4

[pulsar cairn]

were those dreadnoughts better than the box ones btw?

i like em cause they make you look like a BEEG space murine

[tired cairn]

That is amazingly cursed lmao

[tall depot]

she should do AM's hate monolog if she hasn't already

[unreal cosmos]

generally yeah, at least as I understand it

[pulsar cairn]

can you still see them from time to time or are they completely gone at this point?

[unreal cosmos]

Yeah but the models aren't game-legal anymore lol

[naive abyss]

so im planning to rename my undivided chaos weirdos cuz them being called burning blade when led by someone with a hammer bugs me lol

ive narrowed down to these two

Bearers of the Burning Brand
Bearers of the Burning Blessing

still wanted the triple B to match their enemies the Pilgrims of the Putrid Psalm

[topaz elk]

I love them tbh

Imo no Admech unit should look not a little bit weird

And these guys pass with flying colors

[long void]

couldn't i just run them as the standard dreads?

[pastel rampart]

You could, yeah.

[naive abyss]

after image bashing on a pauldrong that likely wont be feasible irl to bash on im def leaning to white scales

and sayings its a dragon thats been eating warpstone

just a weirdo albino who fled after getting mocked or whatever to a chaos waste lol

just need to decide which helmet the rider should use lol

also the character is a absolute murder lady named Hellehild Blackhammer

[naive abyss]

after getting some input from the cule ill likely go for the four horned helm

[naive abyss]

Final mokcup and now some fluff lol.

Hellehild "The Burning Butcher" Blackhammer wields the hammer Faith-Breaker. Her draconic steed is Witchtooth the Wyrd who fled out of shame into the Chaos Wastes due to being an albino. They then out of desperation fed on Warpstone which over time resulted in them being reduced to a near mindless feral state unless they found fresh Warpstone to consume. One day Hellehild came upon them and seeing an opportunity immediately set upon the ill prepared dragon. The warrior laid low the beast and chained them. From then on then on Witchtooth became the half mad but resigned mount of the ambitious warlord. Hellehild always ensures to keep their mount fed on just enough Warpstone to keep them sane and obedient.

[naive abyss]

Some fluff about her warband.

    In battle they are known for their unflinching ferocity and fiery appearances. Those few who have survived a battle with them have spoken of warriors that glower out from their helms with a fierce burning light while they cleave through their foes with weapons glowing with searing heat. At the end of every battle the warband conducts the same ritual. 

Captured enemies who are unaligned to one of the “Gods” are offered a choice. Abandon all prior creeds to accept the Brand of True Chaos or burn on the pyre. For those who take the brand it wracks the recipient in the dark bale fires of Chaos transfiguring them into a new bearer of the brand. It is said the brand always burns and glows with searing heat no matter how long the bearer has had it. For those who refuse or who are aligned… there is only the pyre.```

[thin ibex]

Hmm I want imperial guardsmen with shotguns. Give... Catachans shotguns

[thin ibex]

Hmm new self challenge... no heavy armor guard lists. Hellhounds, sentinels, chimera, all ok. No Leman russ or rogal dorn hulls to be seen

[final tide]

That plus infantry for it all is basically the Tallaran list yeah?

[thin ibex]

Tallarns are actually big on armored warfare tho

[storm schooner]

Artillery and infantry wave

[junior robin]

I wonder how good that new dragon mount would look with a more oldschool pointy head

[crisp lance]

https://vxtwitter.com/DiceyJune/status/1713407980870500597

[pulsar cairn]

that's u

[crisp lance]

me XD ?

why me ?

[pulsar cairn]

idk it just gives out this Alaizia energy

[mental birch]

https://pastebin.com/x5VN7pAp

Hmmm how does this list look?

[unreal cosmos]

I've said it before but 40k is bizarrely shotgun-deficient

[mental birch]

(Pulse Blaster)

Heheheheh

[pulsar cairn]

a lack of blam blam

at least they added one to boltgun

[modern tiger]

Loud warning https://reddit.com/r/Sigmarxism/s/IqE0Fwox6c

[naive abyss]

Pointy head?

[junior robin]

like these

[pulsar cairn]

skinny neck

[spice flicker]

I'm not the biggest fan of all war dogs list (much prefer the big guys) but what do you all think about this assortment of war dogs?

1995/2000 points

1x war dog stalker with chaincannon+slaughterclaw and aura of terror (warlord)

5x war dogs brigands
2x war dog executioners
2x war dog huntsman
3x war dog karnivores

Kinda wanted to bring an assortment rather than all brigands (favorite armiger variant) and karnivores but what do you think? Also is chaincannon+slaughterclaw the best loadout for a stalker or is there a better combo for it?

[soft willow]

I mean what's your intended target? And what hull mounted weapon are you putting on it?

Otherwise this seems a slightly ranged heavy list.

It's good, but I'd almost want to see like one more Huntsman or Karnivore and one less Brigand as good as they are.

[spice flicker]

I tend to favor shooting over melee with most lists I make with this being no exception. I did consider swapping around to get more karnivores but I also wanted to get as close to 2000 as I could

[uneven ember]

I'm seeing people talking shit about the Mechanicus dude with a rifle and robot-stilts and I want to know what happened to make them incapable of joy.

[spice flicker]

Tbh it does look a bit fragile though the idea of a sniper on stilts is interesting.

[uneven ember]

It looks goofy as fuck and I love it.
"I AM AN ELEVATED OBSERVATION POSITION, MEATBAG"

[naive abyss]

https://reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/s/lu5mPtDC3r

[spice flicker]

Just wait until it mocks someone like that only to have one of the legs kicked and be knocked off balance

[naive abyss]

Tbh I'm still just very happy the foot knights has damsel Knight rep

[tired cairn]

I find it really dumb in a great way. Also hilarious that it has Stealth and Lone Operative

[pulsar cairn]

those tall dudes remind me of a fenris unit in Iron Harvest

[spice flicker]

They remind me of tallboys from dishonored

[spice flicker]

That works too

[uneven ember]

I dig it.

[past sphinx]

Their gonna be perfect ash wastes nomads

Walking above the dunes

[thin ibex]

I feel like the griping about stilt man is just typical warhammer "nothing is good enough" subsection of the fandom

[upper canopy]

I haven't seen anyone that likes admech complain about it

[pastel rampart]

The thing about the stilt man is that it so easily could look so much cooler and it's just kinda...static and boring.

[junior robin]

conversion idea: replace the legs with 2 servo skulls for a flying sniper.

[tired cairn]

I have mostly seen people call it dumb (because it is) moreso than people not liking it

[spice flicker]

I like the Lore of admech but I am just concerned about the stilts breaking in transportation if not really careful.

[tired cairn]

Yeah, that is my concern too

[lofty warren]

My only issue with stiltman is that the pose is so flat

[tired cairn]

But the legs look beefy enough it's probably not a big issue

[junior robin]

time to get the drill out and replace the smooth bit with some titanium rods

[lofty warren]

The general response ive seen is "god thats so fucking dumb. Ill take 10"

[junior robin]

would love to have seen it as a squad with a extra big gun for the squad leader, maybe even with options for a weird melee unit verision of them.

is the warhammer community site down for anyone else?

[tired cairn]

Yep, 503 error

[thin ibex]

i know its a site, but i did have a lil chuckle at hte implication that the entire community jus went kaput for abit

[thin ibex]

honestly it feels pretty neat, are the war dogs in general difficult to deal with in volume?

i feel like its a decent threat saturation strategy

[soft willow]

T10 3+ save 12 wounds.

5++ vs shooting

[spice flicker]

It's a list of 13 M12" S10 W12 models with 3+ saves so it varies between armies on whether that is difficult to deal with. Most knights list don't have a lot of models with this being arguably the most they can. It let's them have more of a board presence but their shooting isn't as deadly as the big guys in general. The brigands are essentially mini-knight crusaders while karnivores are all melee but with 14" movement and hitting on 2+ instead of the 3+ all the other war dogs have for shooting.

[soft willow]

13 is the max number of Armigers/Wardogs any knight list can field yup.

[spice flicker]

Most people (like me) like chaos and imperial knights because of the big guys but chaos is slanted a bit more towards war dog spam with most taking the bare minimum or no big guys which I'm not the biggest fan of. Kinda wish we could go back to early 10th when the big knights were much cheaper and you could many of them. Though the big melee knight for chaos is only 380 points.

[thin ibex]

i know in my limited experience prior (never fought them in 10th), that the war dogs are generally quite tough but are prone to catastrophic failures at weird times

[spice flicker]

Also war dogs/armigers can overwatch unlike the big guys.

[thin ibex]

like a volley of lasgun fire just like, suddenly getting through on some unlucky rolls

[soft willow]

Brigands are pretty good at it too yeah?

Just on volume if nothing else.

[thin ibex]

though i guess bad luck is just magnified the fewer models you have

[soft willow]

That volley wont' do much damage but it does add up.

[spice flicker]

Swinginess is the reason the castellan isn't as good as it once was.

[spice flicker]

That why I am bringing five

[thin ibex]

im surprised there arent all that many str 10 guns around tbh

[soft willow]

I mean the lasguns.

But five brigands puts out more shots than a crusader.

By far.

[thin ibex]

the battlecannon is the main str 10 iirc, but nothing mounted on an infantry model is str 10 barring a weapons team

[soft willow]

Though I suppose comparing three is more fairly pointed.

[spice flicker]

Brigands also hit on 2+ at range like the karnivores in melee.

[soft willow]

Yeah y'all got all the good cool small guys.

[thin ibex]

also ive been like... re-examining the hevy las on the field ordnance team. Its 4 higher str las shots, possible with sushits1 vs, for the same cost, 6 lascannon shots. I feel like it actually competes a bit, though easier to focus down than two hvy weapon teams

[spice flicker]

Honestly I like the synergy and coolness of the IK but the customization and weapons of the CK is also nice. Double battle cannon despoiler is fun

I also like if you paint your knights in a neutral way and keep them a little plain (nothing explicitly stating its loyalist or traitor) and use magnets you can have your knights pull double duty as imperial or chaos knights.

[soft willow]

Why would I do that when I can paint them in the glorious colors of the Omnissiah?

[naive abyss]

the admech stilt person has grown on me

if only cuz i can see them looking really eerie just sporadically spread in a advancing wave of skitarri

[soft willow]

It's dumb and exactly the goofy shit they should have.

[brittle salmon]

I think one of my friends made a good point

[naive abyss]

also very random but i love how on the nose my chaos lords name is
literally fucking hell war black hammer
thats just peak evil warhammer person'

[soft willow]

Them and ruststalkers just coming out of some kind of gas fog.

[brittle salmon]

Imagine you're in an urban area and looking at a bunch of distant power pylons
You turn around to talk to a buddy, turn back and one of them is just fucking gone

And then you're dead

They're kinda spooky! I like em

[naive abyss]

also i have discovered that i love giving characters who are "important" to my homebrew hammers. cuz its warhammer dammit give them hammers lol

like id give love hammers more if the plasma axe just didnt fuck so hard

even then one of the three leaders is a champ with a hammer lol

also im unreasonably proud of my name for the chaos lords hammer. cuz for some reason the name Faith-Breaker is really cool to me lol

especially in the context of what she is all about

sorry. ive just been rotating that character in my head since i finished doing the image bash lol

[thin ibex]

The emperor not having his own personal warhammer is a damn shame

[pulsar cairn]

yis

[thin ibex]

And what's worse, neither does abbadon

[naive abyss]

unironically that is one of the reasons he ranks under sigmar for me

[past sphinx]

Wel he is just discount sigmar

[naive abyss]

like sigmar has allot of reasons for being cooler imo

[past sphinx]

Can't even get the name right

[naive abyss]

but him actually using a hammer is one of my reasons still

[uneven ember]

Yeah Warhammer 40,000 needs a Warhammer 40,000.

[naive abyss]

hell my biggest complaint with lov overall is them having swords

[thin ibex]

For 40k the warhammer version 40000 maybe is still just in some armory

[naive abyss]

cuz i really wouldve loved a faction that said no to 40ks addiction to swords

[uneven ember]

counterpoint: swords are awesome

[naive abyss]

counterpoint so are axes and hammer and they are very underused

also im the weird dorf fan that likes my dorfs with axes and hammers only really lol

i can live with like spear and shield

but idk dorf with sword just feels wrong to my brain

[uneven ember]

Yeah for dorf I can see it

[naive abyss]

like to be clear this is specifically with lov

im not saying swords shouldnt be a thing in 40k

just i wish not swords had more love

just as a general thing tbh

[floral herald]

Just wait for the next loyalist primarch

[uneven ember]

"It was a real Dwarven ax. On one side was a thin pick, for prospecting, and the other side was a broad blade, for if someone tried to stop you."

[naive abyss]

so a pick axe in like the most literal use of that word lol

also just to be clear i like swords

like swords are cool

just idk the warpriest with warhammer is unironically what fully got me into like warhammer lol

so ill always have a soft spot for it

[floral herald]

I’m in the really weird position of agreeing that swords are overdone but also I think swords make a lot of sense for dwarves

[naive abyss]

like this model forever lives in a small part of my brain next to the mark of chaos cinematic

which imo is still probably the single coolest warhammer cinematic

[floral herald]

Dwarves fight in confined underground spaces a lot and a short stabbing sword makes sense to me there

[naive abyss]

i mean sure but an axe would work as well assuming its a axe with point

but allot of my opnion here is less the pragmatics of it and more the aesthetics lol

[floral herald]

Something like an ikwa would make sense yeah

[naive abyss]

i rarely apply like logistical reasoning to warhammer stuff and more sorta am like "what makes the good brain juice"

[floral herald]

Yeah the aesthetics of an axe are really dorfy

[naive abyss]

which obviously is super subjective

hell im still sorta bummed the new cos range didnt givve us a new plastic warrior priest

cuz like those are a thing in aos still

[uneven ember]

Warhammer 40K is all about the vibes.
I know I bring it up a lot but "Power Ram" is still probably my favorite example there.

[naive abyss]

chain spear is one i rather like

theres allot of chain weapons weve never seen actually modeled lol

and chain weapons are def another one of those core things that first got me into the setting

[uneven ember]

Where 40K spaceships are basically flying cathedral-cities with broadsides that can level cities.
And then Imperial ships can stick a Power Ram on the front. For when they need to ram somebody.

[floral herald]

I’m speaking more generally - LoV don’t even tunnel fight that much more than other people

[naive abyss]

fair lol

[floral herald]

I wouldn’t mind seeing more other weapons though I get why spears are rare

Just from a model perspective

But there can be more axes and mails

Mauls

[naive abyss]

yeah good mauls are a vibe

i just get tired of people using the morningstar look

cuz idk like flanged maces and the like just are so much cooler to me lol

but like morning star is so often the go to

[floral herald]

I really like this chaos lord for one

[naive abyss]

same

like i adore that hammer

if i didnt think itd be a pain to give to a fantasy chaos lord

id totally steal it

[floral herald]

That guy just needs to lose the plasma pistol and he could sneak into AoS imo

[naive abyss]

cuz i love that it looks like the head is just made out a stone with the chaos star like carved into it

yeah though theres some cablin here and there too

[floral herald]

True

[thin ibex]

My love of soldiers wielding effectively sledge hammers is constantly at war with how warhammers historically don't look like that xD usually my love for the aesthetic wins out

[naive abyss]

i mean if this was a historical setting or game id get that

hell i appreciate the cos having actual warhammers

[floral herald]

I like the cartoonishly large weapons for space marines

It sells the power assist more for me

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAQ7QalVNgM&ab_channel=AnvilofDoomMiniatures

[floral herald]

https://vxtwitter.com/kitto_paint/status/1713621792919630179?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

[modern tiger]

i need the meme of stiltsguy next to an regular skitarii and its 5' 11" vs 6' 0"

[rocky shale]

Meltas are shotgun-coded

[unreal cosmos]

definitely, but there need to be more old-fashioned trench-sweepers

it's shocking orks don't have obscenely wide-bore shotties

[naive abyss]

ill second needing more shotguns

atm i think lov have the most shotgun rep overall

though arguably it could be marines

[uneven ember]

I do like the Imperial Navy breacher shotgun aesthetic.

[naive abyss]

on another note i do find it funny how much the foot knights have sold me on old world and to an extent brettonia. like were getting a plastic knight lady and if nothing else the whole to do is worth it for that lol

[naive abyss]

def

though i think i prefer the cops

[uneven ember]

oh yeah them too

[naive abyss]

but im biased cuz i always loved the arbites look

its a shame they are one of the weak killteams

as memory serves

cuz they are probably one of my fave imperial ones

[unreal cosmos]

I think if you replaced Reivers' bolter smgs with bolter shotties it would be perfect

[thin ibex]

Same

[past sphinx]

WE NEED MORE HALBERDS

[thin ibex]

I also think Catachans should get shotties as an option

[uneven ember]

One of the first GW minis I ever bought was a vampire with a halberd

[runic swallow]

They used to, I ran them in 5 or 6th ed

[pulsar cairn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/449651567948464128/1089273877751943238/isthisfixed.gif

[floral herald]

They're decent now but yeah

They used to be one of the weakest

Which is annoying for a 2 box team

[long void]

All hail the new Emperor

[lofty warren]

Custodes are taller than primarchs?

Wild

Breaking the trend of the imperium being a magnocracy

[upper canopy]

That says Primaris not Primarchs

[thin ibex]

Iirc tyboros and Gabriel Angelos are almost primarch sized aren't they? Like just shy

[naive abyss]

gonna bost a bit of a text wall of fluff for my idea for a brettonian dukedom

did not expect ending up writing this much for it lol

[pulsar cairn]

oh god

[naive abyss]

?

[pulsar cairn]

that's a lot of words

[naive abyss]

4 pages roughly lol

[unreal cosmos]

worth noting that that chart isn't like, Canon

[unreal cosmos]

at that scale I think it's generally advised to post as a .txt or a google docs link

[naive abyss]

fair ill just yeet the doc

[unreal cosmos]

danke

[naive abyss]

Overall its a bit rough but I think its a fun conceit for a brett thing lol

[lofty warren]

Im fuckong illiterate

Magnocracy prwserved

[floral herald]

Ok this took a while but I got lucky

From Ashes of Prospero

[elfin orbit]

Nice

Big fan

[floral herald]

Yeah I think it might become more of a thing later too

IIRC there's another book where Fabius Bile talks about how the emperor chose to make the process the way it was

[thin ibex]

Fabius Bile: "and yeah the emperor is a raging misogynist..."

[spice flicker]

Besides a dark red paint, what other colors should I consider looking at if I want to make some knights that will work for both chaos and loyalists?

[junior summit]

black

metallics

[unreal cosmos]

Hazard stripes

honestly you could try aiming for colors that aren't used much by either, like orange or green

[elfin orbit]

Anything that doesn't have existing claim by a legion or chapter tbh

[unreal cosmos]

metallics are probably the safest bet tho

[elfin orbit]

Like if you don't paint them like smurfs or black legion you can pretty much justify whatever

[desert jay]

Gold trim can also go for both

[soft willow]

Avoid gold and green though.

Since there is an Imperialis house that uses those colors.

Honestly though? Just paint em however you like.

Nobody cares and you don't have special rules aligned to a specific House/Chapter/League/Craftworld/etc. anymore.

[pulsar cairn]

who were the chapters sentenced to penance crusades after the badab war? random question but i just realized i only know 2 those being the Lamenters and the Mantis warriors

[naive abyss]

executioners

[unreal cosmos]

The Executioners got pardoned a lot earlier than the other two I think.

[naive abyss]

"In 999.M41 over eighty years into their century-long penitent crusade, the Executioners arrived at the war torn Orpheus Sector. There they discovered a slew of planets decimated by war, and swear revenge for the fallen brothers of other Chapters."

it was a hundred years like the others lol

on another note this model also looks good with the helmet

[uneven ember]

The Executioners switched sides before the end, though.

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/CerberusXt/status/1713489624813776994

[soft willow]

While technically true, why buck the established Warhammer tradition that characters don't wear helmets?

[pulsar cairn]

huh....that works o guess

[pulsar cairn]

i see

wait looking at their wiki page

they are a fists successor chapter?

it says here Dorn was their primarch

[upper canopy]

Man the Badab War is funny

[uneven ember]

it is one of my favorite bits of 40K lore

[pulsar cairn]

what does that mean

[unreal cosmos]

I think that'd look better on a craftworlder tbh

[unreal cosmos]

I heard someone describe it as a sort of test run for the Horus Heresy and I think that's a neat way of putting it

[pulsar cairn]

what about a corsair?

[pastel rampart]

Or quartered ala Howling Griffins

[jaunty dawn]

the horus heresy wargame community started out using badab war kits yeah

I was surprised how early the basics of badab were established though when I was reading index astartes

I think partially it came about at a time where there was a need felt for establishing reasons for mirror matches to fight

[unreal cosmos]

yeah

[jaunty dawn]

but yeah it was Alan Bligh's thing before heresy got rolling

[uneven ember]

Cerberus has done a whole series.

[unreal cosmos]

oh excellent

[uneven ember]

https://vxtwitter.com/CerberusXt/status/1650072356184883202

[dense sedge]

oh yeah, who's looking forwards to more forgeworld resin kits!

[thin ibex]

No heavy armor

[naive abyss]

i mean i plan to do this so its sorta moot in my case lol

[naive abyss]

well its likely just gonna be allot of the old plastic and metal to resin

which is i guess an improvement lol

the fact weve gotten some new plastic and even a new unit does make me hope well eventually be more all plastic

like im still super skeptical

cuz this feels like theyre gonna do annoying split material ranges like with HH

which could be worse but still annoys me

[dense sedge]

horus heresy is resin?

[desert jay]

A lot of it

[naive abyss]

about half or so yeah

[unreal cosmos]

HH now is like, 50% resin 25% plastic 25% nonexistent

I think there's an entire faction with literally no official models, though it does have a lot of obvious proxies

[dense sedge]

which faction is that? I thought HH was all marines

[pulsar cairn]

i was wondering if there would be a kin one

i mean iron kin

[desert jay]

Solar Auxilla is the model-less one though TBF some of the vehicles they use are shared with Guard

There's also AdMech in HH but they do have a model line

[pastel rampart]

SA got like what, the one infantry unit?

[pulsar cairn]

do we have any official art of the Solar Auxilla?

i think i saw a picture somewhere

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/8/80/SAModels2.jpg

Oh they also got Ogryn too.

[floral herald]

they remind me a lot of stormtroopers in art pieces with less silve paint

[pastel rampart]

https://i.etsystatic.com/20321709/r/il/44bb93/4495565747/il_fullxfull.4495565747_9wn6.jpg

[thin ibex]

Solar auxila look kind of sick

[floral herald]

Which I suppose makes sense

[thin ibex]

Are they good in game

?

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/JSjWl/fa0fef3ec9.jpg

[floral herald]

Darktide when

[pastel rampart]

Quake Guy face

[thin ibex]

Solar aux I mean

[desert jay]

Oh Sisters of Silence and Custodes and Knights also have rules and models, can't forget them. SoS might even have more support there than in 40k

[floral herald]

I don't know shit about the HH meta but I've heard people get excited about their listbuilding so they seem ok

[pulsar cairn]

they look cooooooooooool

[thin ibex]

Are they a sort of hordey hh army?

[desert jay]

Oh wait there actually is a whole bunch of SA infantry models available, guess I was mistaken

"Who's ready for field surgery!?"

[desert jay]

They're pretty similar to Imperial Guard AIUI

[unreal cosmos]

idk how good it is but I love that Raven Guard have a rite of war specifically for buddying up with militia

[crisp lance]

https://vxtwitter.com/MouflonHaineux/status/1708788201798721861

HE COMIN

[floral herald]

RG have been really growing on me as I've learned more random stuff about them and corax

[crisp lance]

https://vxtwitter.com/LouisLrn_/status/1710691539402334689

[unreal cosmos]

They have a lot of hidden charm!

[floral herald]

hidden

It's a shame that this is a really hard conversion though

[unreal cosmos]

I thought I could get away with leaving out "no pun intended"

[unreal cosmos]

I prefer the original tbh

[crisp lance]

man imagine a 40k game similar to castle crashers

[floral herald]

as in no helm or the old model?

[unreal cosmos]

no helm

[floral herald]

Ah fair

[dense sedge]

those are cool ogryns

[floral herald]

I don't mind it but I like the fullhelms more than halfhelms in general

[lofty warren]

Round marines

[crisp lance]

unfortunately thier fuckin huge

[obtuse violet]

tactically optimal marine.

[crisp lance]

https://vxtwitter.com/Sughammer/status/1586055595224092673

[naive abyss]

there isnt baseline

its a conversion idea edit i made lol

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1713538258544496877

me out here either greenstuffing over those details ore painting them pure black cuz yeah it just looks silly tbh

[desert jay]

I'm in the "don't need to detail-paint eyes" camp even for non-helmet heads

I've seen plenty of good paintjobs where they just do a bit of shade

[uneven ember]

Yeah, I've seen people who can make it look good but like
I've never reached the point where I don't make it look worse

[naive abyss]

mm mm

i get why they model eyes for the helmets

i just way prefer the face hidden in shadow

especially for chaos warriors

but thats because imo chaos warriors are at their ideal best when in just fucked up armo that may have fused to their bodies and all you see is a horrible red glow coming from the helmet lol

like this is the chaos warrior ideal for me lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/comments/z9wsba/sigmar_is_the_best_godemperor_fight_me/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[pastel rampart]

I've got a bunch of oldhammer chaos (mostly 6th ed) and with the idea of doing an undivided army out of'em, been trying to think of a color scheme that isn't the ol' black and gold.

https://d1w82usnq70pt2.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/6AAD4743-A628-4250-B260-13C914441B00-2000x1131.jpeg

Now when I say old I mean these doofy mofos

[naive abyss]

True goons

Ngl I really like the classic black armor look lol

[pastel rampart]

I do too but goddddd that'd be so much gold lining all the little details

[naive abyss]

Lol fair

[lofty warren]

NO GODS NO EMPERORS

[pulsar cairn]

I'm the red one

[chilly scroll]

oh wow I've finally gotten around to reading the balance dataslate and like... some interesting changes?

I was not expecting IK to lose bondsman on the big knights

okay just caught up with the metamondays following the slate and wow how the turn tables

Custodes and IK fighting for bottom 3? phew lad

very healthy WRs for other factions generally though!

[mental birch]

Have an idea for terrain sets

And truing to figure out how to get it doen

Basically half finished colony

So the ruins

Are more construction

And like not sure how to go about it

[quaint compass]

Scaffolding

Stockpiles of raw material as cover (sheets of metal, ferrocrete bags as sandbags, stone blocks)

Deactivated construction equipment

Cargo containers

Four to six workers standing by while another does the job

[deft crest]

we love our union lads (Not applicable in the warhammer setting)

[quaint compass]

Explains the dystopia 😔

[jaunty dawn]

the new arachnirig variant is a brute too I'm gonna die

gw hey lets make a cool new vehicle supplement for necromunda

also gw: lets not make any vehicles for any of the gangs!

literally just the orlock quad and the goliath big bike

[storm schooner]

But penny what about all the bikes

[jaunty dawn]

the new grav cutter rules seem pretty good at least

[pulsar cairn]

bebe

[naive abyss]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/16/cross-the-ash-wastes-in-short-order-with-the-skalvian-explorator-for-the-ironhead-squat-prospectors/

[brisk flint]

That looks good

[mental birch]

More like how go get that material

[jaunty dawn]

the claaw

[mental birch]

Booooo

Resin

[naive abyss]

Yeah alas

I wish it was plastic

I really really do

Like I'd just insta buy it instead of debating it

Especially the characters

[mental birch]

Excited for these though

[naive abyss]

Munda has started to feel more and more random with what materials its using too

[topaz elk]

Love the second ones comically large pipe

[naive abyss]

I mean both have really big pipes lol

[naive abyss]

But yeah like these are plastic but the squat stuff isn't

It's so bizarre

[jaunty dawn]

it's the van saar release for the season

[tired cairn]

I'm guessing squat stuff is way less popular?

Are they a proper faction?

[pulsar cairn]

van saar drive vans

[jaunty dawn]

they're not a main faction I guess

[naive abyss]

Yes and Then why release like so many things for them

[jaunty dawn]

the main houses get more stuff in general

[naive abyss]

They literally are a main faction just like the others lol

Like those gangs have more just by nature of being out longer

The squats have gotten allot in a comparatively short time

[tired cairn]

aiui resin molds are way cheaper, so the cost of a model release might be pretty low

[naive abyss]

Tbh I find that excuse holds little water for gw imo

[jaunty dawn]

like squats don't have a unique mechanic

just storm-everything guns

[tired cairn]

GW is very heavily constrained on plastic mold injectors too. I wouldn't be surprised if resin molds don't affect that bottleneck at all

[naive abyss]

They are the vast majority holder of the hobby. They should do all plastic for new shit tbh

Like I get old metal that's not being updated at least going resin.

[tired cairn]

I think that would result in less or no squats tbh

[jaunty dawn]

like 10% of what's come out in resin would come out in plastic and the other 90% wouldn't come out at all

[desert jay]

GW is big but they're not like Hasbro toys big

[jaunty dawn]

even just getting arachni rigs in plastic meant van saar are just not getting a vehicle or a mounted this time around

[desert jay]

Also heh ask TF fans about new sculpts vs reused ones in a new color scheme

[thin ibex]

id be curious to know what their production error margin is

[naive abyss]

I never said they were. But there there are smaller companies that have this issue less. Or at least have quality control on their resin.

[tired cairn]

i am surprised their plastic mold injector bottleneck is so big. Though a few years ago they were blocked on getting more power to the factory, so who knows how many cascading problems showed up

[naive abyss]

It's like how the new bretts being split material feels extra weird when the new plastic stuff is so comparable to the new resin

Like I'm glad the plastic exists

But why is it not all plastic

[pastel rampart]

Something like a 2 year lead-up time from design to mold for plastics iirc

Minimum too, I imagine.

[jaunty dawn]

also ime as great as gw plastic is now, and while it can do things resin can't, pretty much every fw model I've gotten would still look worse in plastic haha

[naive abyss]

Like it just feels like a repeat of the bullshit fantasy had going on at the end tbh

[jaunty dawn]

like comparing say terminator librarian to word bearers tartaros praetor

love both models

but you can see the difference in how the same features look in each material

[naive abyss]

Tbh ill take somewhat less pretty for a less annoying material from a company infamous for bad quality control on said material

Like all I can think about with that cool sniper is how it'll likely be bent out of the box

[thin ibex]

id imagine theres also statements that can be made about the scale of a company also tends to sit in line with the scale of their production targets and thresholds; that smaller companies might be able to produce higher quality output on their smaller portfolio, for example, can also be in line with with their smaller production goals and so on. Larger company is meeting demand for a larger portfolio of product end points than comparative smatter companies.

[pastel rampart]

Pretty much that, yeah.

[naive abyss]

I'll be real the big company should still quality control its products

[pastel rampart]

GW is making models for a large world-wide playerbase and so they have to weigh proper quality control with "getting it out there" and when it comes to resin GW has chosen the latter again and again.

Which isn't great!

[tired cairn]

How bad is GW's non-finecast resin?

[naive abyss]

Still bad

Not horrendous but still pretty bad

[pastel rampart]

FW resin has wildly uneven quality, and finecast is worse than that.

[naive abyss]

Like I hesitate so much with FW shit just cuz I'm terrified of having to deal with allot of the common issues

[desert jay]

I heard in the last ~5(?) it's mainly the large models that have QC issues (eg Knights and Titans or w/e)

[naive abyss]

Like I shouldn't buy a sixty dollar model and have to worry it's broken out of the box

Or that'll I'll have to heat the thing to make it not horribly bent

[desert jay]

But stuff like warping is an inherent problem with the material if has any chance to get warm in shipping

[pastel rampart]

Longer than 5 years. Was seeing complaints about warping a decade ago.

[naive abyss]

Also Ngl I loathe the washing step with resin

[desert jay]

No I meant the not-large models generally not having QC issues

[naive abyss]

Like its ultimately the smallest evil of the material

But it's still very annoying

[thin ibex]

i imagine adjusting the shipping process to temp control the containers might be restrictively expensive, but then the argument does go back to investing further in plastic infrastructure and moving away from resin infrastructure if the end product in resin is that much mroe temperature sensitive no?

Expensive shift no matter how you look at it. I guess the cost to do so might be seen as unnesscessary if the error rate is not causing a major loss in revenue

but from a product making perspective, changing the process to get a more consistently high quality output makes sense. From a cost, marketing, and sales perspective, the margins are probably big enough that the loss is already accounted for

[tired cairn]

I can't see them wanting to cold ship models when sending them to consumers

[naive abyss]

Like Ngl I'd wager the vast majority of their profits is sells on plastic

[jaunty dawn]

and then you have the opposite problem of the cold making it brittle

[naive abyss]

Cuz allot of people both only play the thing that's plastic and just don't want to deal with fw

It's why fw prices are the way they are

Hell with the old world the material split has knee capped excitement allot of the time

[thin ibex]

i wonder what the sales model is for fw, i presume their meant to be a bit more boutique than the mainline set of models

[naive abyss]

Like I watch people very hobby positive having to sit there and go "man the new plastic is great but why is this half of it resin?"

[thin ibex]

they're*

[floral herald]

Models that big always come out funky

[tired cairn]

I wonder what would need to happen for 3D printing to supplant resin

[desert jay]

TBH, I've seen less complaints about warping or QC issues and more about:

• Just straight up sticker shock w/ the prices
• PITA to do conversions with resin

[naive abyss]

It's meant to be boutique but lacks the quality control for it tbh

[floral herald]

It probably won’t

Resin moulds are really easy

[jaunty dawn]

3d printing is slow

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

[soft willow]

Privateer Press is doing it.

[jaunty dawn]

it has supplanted cast resin in it's niche

[soft willow]

It took them a year to get it working at scale though.

[pastel rampart]

Now, 3D printing a master and making a mold? Smart idea, much faster means of casting.

[jaunty dawn]

3d printing for masters is industry standard at this point yeah

[tired cairn]

Yeah, that's standard now right?

[naive abyss]

Like gw feels like it keeps flip flopping between actually slowly going all plastic or staying split

[jaunty dawn]

and has been much longer than consumer 3d printing has been around

[desert jay]

Or if you could order 3D printed models to-order like Heroforge does but that's a huge endeavor

[tired cairn]

That would be pretty cool though

Literally every model could be different

[thin ibex]

yeah building that pipeline would be a big endeavor to hit like even a modicum of industrial scale

but it would be pretty cool

[floral herald]

Yeah, I’m just saying I don’t think 3d printing will supplant it as a whole

[tired cairn]

Tbh, I don't really understand Privateer Press' use case for 3D printing

[pastel rampart]

3D printing would need to be orders of magnitude faster to make it worth investing in. As it is, plastic can be cast in like, a goddamn minute.

[floral herald]

It’s exciting that sort of affordable 3d printing is getting comparable quality to moulded models though

[pastel rampart]

Resin casting can be anywhere from 30 minutes to 24 hours depending on the type of resin and the size of it.

[tired cairn]

Oh, I see it much less likely to supplant plastic

[jaunty dawn]

partially a gimmick to pull themselves out of a hole?

also combatting sku bloat

but also they're goin in on customisation iirc

[tired cairn]

I was not thinking of the "per mold" cost of 3d printing being virtually zero

Though you do need an expensive machine

[tired cairn]

Ah, that makes sense

[soft willow]

Detailed models without a complicated mold, and focusing heavily in house production as a smaller company.

[tired cairn]

(I do like how they incorporate magnets into the design)

[pastel rampart]

https://fxtwitter.com/Wyrd_Science/status/1713821057897955357

[naive abyss]

It's in my cart with the ancestors wrath lol

Just gotta wait for my paycheck

But yeah on the resin thing. My end point is we've spent more time discussing the materials issue than being excited for the model. Which tbh imo is becoming a more and more common response to new gw resin.

Cuz like you can probably find a stl and someone to print a comparable if not exact copy with likely better QC for the price lol

[pastel rampart]

For less, honestly.

Know a dude who got a 3D print of a not-Abaddon off Etsy for a third of the price of the real thing.

[floral herald]

I guess my perspective is that you have, and people are willing to discuss it with you. I would have preferred the other way but that’s not exactly how the conversation went

It’s a neat model and I like the more industrial bent it has over the mainline LoV nasa-ish look for the vehicles

The suspension system setup is kind of baffling but it has one haha

Which is sort of a high point for 40K vehicle design

[naive abyss]

I really like the models too tbh

[tired cairn]

Wait, is that those pistons that ultimately connect it on the outside of the tracks?

I also like the model.

[floral herald]

They articulate the tracks anyway

“Suspension” might be the wrong term for it though

[desert jay]

Looks like a suspension to me

[jaunty dawn]

could be active suspension

[tired cairn]

relatively rapid with a 6” Move.

Do things move way slower in Necromunda?

[jaunty dawn]

4" is standard

vehicles are deceptive because they can move and shoot

so this guy effectively has a like 9" move?

which would be like idk 14" ish compared to a 6" standard

[thin ibex]

the weird bit is that if the suspension tilts to its fully compressed state, wouldnt the treads run into the gangway thats fixed to the hull of the vehicle?

[floral herald]

I think the model as them near fully compressed

I was puzzling over it on my phone for a bit

[desert jay]

Also... sensible mechanical design in scifi?

[naive abyss]

The vehicle is fun but it confuses me

I like the tracks but both the suspension and cockpit are so bizarre lol

[tired cairn]

Cockpit makes me think it's for deep sea stuff

[naive abyss]

Also I can't figure out how you get in it lol

[tired cairn]

But not so much the rest of the vehicle lol

[naive abyss]

It looks like a deep Ocean drone sorta yeah

Like what if those drones but on treads

[past sphinx]

Oh yeah that's some good fuckin dorfs

[thin ibex]

i think the... turret? opens up?

[naive abyss]

It makes me wonder if it's automated

[thin ibex]

oh could also be automated yeah

i also thought maybe that the front viewport opens up to be an entry point, though it being bolted in would be worrying

[naive abyss]

I think it's like automated like the drill from drg

[tired cairn]

Despite its lore, it does not look like a very good goods transport lol

[naive abyss]

Cuz the turret has a sensor array on it too

[naive abyss]

Well it's not a transport

[tired cairn]

Its designed like that terrible sub

[naive abyss]

It's a hauler

[jaunty dawn]

it's a transport via guys sit on it

[thin ibex]

i think it trasports folk by them sitting on the gangways on either side

[naive abyss]

Yeah

[thin ibex]

rather than inside it

[jaunty dawn]

transport bed is a rule that basically means if it fits it sits

[naive abyss]

Its main function is hauling cargo

[tired cairn]

Oh, I meant goods transport

It does not seem great at holding cargo

[jaunty dawn]

it doesn't have a like

[naive abyss]

I mean again it's like a train engine

[floral herald]

I think its a tractor yeah

[jaunty dawn]

anything on the back

[tired cairn]

Oh, tractor makes sense

[thin ibex]

presumably you strap it down to either gangway and or attach a larger container or bed to trail behind it yeah

[naive abyss]

Like this is more or less the modern squat train

[thin ibex]

i think the thing itself might mostly be engine

[tired cairn]

Is it gorkamorka rules? >.>

[floral herald]

It's sort of comparable to these articulated trucks

[past sphinx]

I'm all about this

[jaunty dawn]

this does imply that it has internal storage

[past sphinx]

I am a happy dorf player

[jaunty dawn]

yeah you have transport cage which is like a model limit and they leave the battlefield and then you have transport bed which is just "if they stand here they don't have to make a fall test when the vehicle moves"

[floral herald]

Augh I can't find a door either haha

[tired cairn]

Maybe its on the bottom

[floral herald]

Oh yeah maybe

[jaunty dawn]

drop down platform or something

[thin ibex]

dorf hauler seems like it would be a high level raid target for a hired gun of both reputation and means

[tired cairn]

Oh, can you stand on vehicles normally? And if you pass the test do you get to stay on top?

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

you can drop down and stab em

which means you always hit rear armour

[tired cairn]

Duels on the land train, let's do

[thin ibex]

though i think hired gun never took us out in to the wastes did it?

[naive abyss]

It's directly compared to them even lol

[naive abyss]

I think it's automated Ngl

Which is cool

[floral herald]

I could see that

[naive abyss]

Big drill dozer from drg vibe

[past sphinx]

I love the pipes the two lads have

and holstered fuckin dorf pistols

[naive abyss]

Yeah the pipes are great

I just wish one was a lass

[jaunty dawn]

it's kinda funny how the ironhead solution to weaponry is just like

[desert jay]

You know what else the crawler reminds me of?

[jaunty dawn]

ork

[naive abyss]

The iron heads still need lady rep imo

[jaunty dawn]

just double your gun in every occassion

[floral herald]

That's kinda necromunda in general too

Lots of wild ill-advised firearms

[naive abyss]

Lol yeah

[desert jay]

From Armageddon

[thin ibex]

the movie

[jaunty dawn]

even the sniper guy has a double barrel rapid fire sniper

[thin ibex]

about the oil dillers sent to space?

[desert jay]

Yeah that one

[thin ibex]

to nuke a- ok yeah

[jaunty dawn]

where there aliens in that movie why did they need a gun

[thin ibex]

i actually was fully invested in that movie as a child, the premise made perfect sense to my childbrain

it was only later that upon consideration it became totally rediculous

[desert jay]

To enforce morale, like a 40k commissar

[jaunty dawn]

messed up

[tired cairn]

They used the minigun for something "practical"

[desert jay]

Oh wait the chin-mounted chaingun on the crawler, yeah IDK why it's supposed to be there but it comes in useful

[tired cairn]

I forget if it was shooting through something or as thrust

[desert jay]

My comment was a joke about the astronaut guy who sneaks a pistol onto the shuttle and then threatens the drillers in the 3rd act

[naive abyss]

They shot small asteroids as memory serves

[deft crest]

yeah It was used to break appart small obstructions or be point defense which is rediculous but i mean

So is the entire movie so

AND I DON'T WANNA MISS A THIING~

[floral herald]

I should see this movie

I’ve heard so many ridiculous things

[desert jay]

IMO the first half (until they leave Mir) is the best part

[runic swallow]

“He’s got Space Madness!”

[desert jay]

But feel free to stick around for the sheer spectacle

[runic swallow]

Or Space Dementia? I forget the dumb name the made up

[thin ibex]

got that animal cracker rizz

[floral herald]

https://vxtwitter.com/kabooski01/status/1713734401857606034?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

[modern tiger]

noooooooooo

[storm schooner]

how could they do that to him

[thin ibex]

just a lil guy

[naive abyss]

The words "when you get your big unnaturals reduced" just passed through my mind lol

[storm schooner]

Hmmm if we had a second image of something with very long legs you could Garfield top surgery it

[naive abyss]

Obviously it should be a kin

[soft willow]

Ironkin Assistant on the stilts.

[thin ibex]

make a model that replaces the stilts with two skitarii holding poles or just standing with their hands over their heads

[desert jay]

Imagine reading this line with 0 context

[soft willow]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-explosion-pyramid-formation-gif-16369856

[pastel rampart]

Bah. BAH.

The fucking air compressor I use for pressure casting stopped working.

[soft willow]

Blew a gasket?

[pastel rampart]

Hard to tell.

Fuse doesn't seem to be busted, and I tried plugging it into different places. No dice.

It was a cheapo Harbor Freight one that lasted a little over a decade so, y'know, lasted a decently long time. But I was going to use it today.

[tawny estuary]

in a PbP Black Crusade campaign

v excited

I'm also the only Nurglite so far

[pulsar cairn]

christian kurbo? nah

nurglite kurbo

[tawny estuary]

everyone else is either a tzeentchian, a slaneeshi, or a khorny person

I'mma align with the Khorny

[pulsar cairn]

i'm also into Khorne

cause khorne is simple

[tawny estuary]

yuh

one guy immediately made a melee max character

[pulsar cairn]

worse that can happen is me getting a quick death anyway after maybe extreme mental anguish from seeing my friends being slaughtered

[tawny estuary]

do you know how often player deaths occur in Black Crusade?

[pulsar cairn]

knowing warhammer

probably very often

[tawny estuary]

[pulsar cairn]

maybe not as often as the guard game tho

[tawny estuary]

man I liked this char

ooooh

[upper canopy]

Literally the main thing you have to worry about is your party in Black Crusade

unless you're a cultist and not a Chaos Space Marine

[thin ibex]

that seems fitting lol

[solemn gull]

Nah even the cultists love backstabbing each other

[upper canopy]

Oh no you misunderstand

If you're a cultist your biggest worry now becomes the fact that the Imperium can actually 100% definitely send things that will kill you

[desert jay]

Backstabbing is just a lesser issue at that point

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/warhammer/status/1713918824876048593?t=f-nvhOE4q-VzbriN0NSczg&s=19

[lofty warren]

Resin hiss

But cool sculpts

[floral herald]

Can we not do this twice a day

[lofty warren]

Why hasnt anyone found a good way to do small batch

That isnt resin or metal

...probably cause one doesnt exist...

[thin ibex]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZT8hf84tM/

[naive abyss]

Cost I'd imagine

[lofty warren]

I mean yeah thats included in better

[lofty warren]

Hiss about resin?

If so i apologise

But i did wanna use it as a segue into talking about resin cause its interesting.

[floral herald]

We had a really prolonged chat about it a couple hours ago

[lofty warren]

Oh yeah sorry about that

I genuinely dont know what convos happen in what space sometimes

Discord blurs together into one mass of words and thoughts

[floral herald]

It’s just sort of frustrating when it seems like the only part of the models people wanna talk about haha

“Oh yeah they’re cool I guess but have I told everyone how much I hate resin?”

Like none of us are resin’s strongest warrior I think

Sorry I feel like I’m going off on you for the last conversation it’s not on you

[lofty warren]

The sculpts are good, i think its just odd how like. Presumably they are in gws eyes not profitable enough to justify plastic runs

Which i think might be cyclical? Insofar as resins lower accessibility results in them being less profitable

[floral herald]

Honestly I think it’s kind of wild that necromunda gets plastics

[lofty warren]

Nah its cool.

[floral herald]

It feels super niche

[lofty warren]

Hm, yeah

Cant be that niche though

I will attest to the fact that i picked up a plastic orlocks kit years ago cause it was plastic, on the shelf, and i liked the look of it

[floral herald]

Yeah I think I’m just wrong

[lofty warren]

Idk if its not niche enough to justify the startup costs of like

Plastic niche units tho

I guess you're only going to get the hired guns if you're fielding hired guns

[jaunty dawn]

it gets a decent amount of plastic

less than warcry/killteam

[lofty warren]

But some stuff made the jump to plastic recently, right? Aracni-rigs

[jaunty dawn]

aracni rigs are afaik maybe the only thing to make the move

but

the resin model kinda sucks

imo

[lofty warren]

I mean KT and warcry get the bonus of the models being more flexible in use than necromunda

[desert jay]

I might be resin's strongest warrior by virtue of general open-minded-ness, never having to deal with it, and process of elimination

[jaunty dawn]

the new ones sell spidery exo suit a lot better

but yeah all the necromunda resin is mostly pretty niche

[lofty warren]

Im mostly only against resin insofar as like. Its just harder to get and pricier

[jaunty dawn]

especially with the plastic weapon upgrades coming out

[lofty warren]

The material is fine

[desert jay]

Yeah GW/FW Resin is pricey

[lofty warren]

Annoying to work with in some ways but ive only done one resin model and its issues i think were casting more than material

[desert jay]

But anyways

[deft crest]

I like resin because recasts are cheap

Any tau players can you tell me if the stormsurge is better now?

I have mine with hands but i haven't painted them or anything