It also requires the spellcaster to see you doing that, and then target you specifically with a spell
#Pathfinder
smoky knot
It's so inconvenient
But it's really cool, so it's a 50/50 shot if your DM will fire a max rank spell at you
turbid dagger
Even if they don't, applyin Spellslasher has just cyberbullied your GM into not targeting you with spells
light gyro
High level single target attack spells are probably worth bracing really hard against. My 20th level party got rocked by mister "four tenth level fingers of death" last session
turbid dagger
Another Q (when you get the time)- what's the weapon situation for this book? I know of the War Spade and Blade Sweeper and am interested to see more (and their stats)
light gyro
Gauntlet bow!!!!!!!
limber comet
Most of this stuff has been printed before but I assume reprints are for ease of use
warped orbit
Oh the maul spade is kinda hype
turbid dagger
O huh
Yea it seems like the bladesweeper and maul spade are the main ones
warped orbit
Gauntlet Bow reprint
light gyro
Wait a battle lute???
warped orbit
Now properly in the crossbow group
limber comet
Oh there's also 10 pages worth of siege weapons
turbid dagger
Maul Spade is sorta neat but also sort of 'scythe but blunt'
Shove isn't real 😔
limber comet
One of the standouts is a Nexian siege engine that "digests" targets from a distance
clever cobalt
That does sound pretty nexian
smoky knot
Are there any Unwieldy weapons?
I think I remember hearing about it in Starfinder
Like opposite of Agile
limber comet
That's all the weapons in the book lol
smoky knot
Damnit
limber comet
Besides specific magic weapons, but no
warped orbit
Maul Spade is sorta neat but also sort of 'scythe but blunt'
Shove isn't real 😔
Oh, hmm I guess it is
turbid dagger
Okay, thank ya very much!
I have only one more request for myself, and that's Aldori Duelist
I have an Aldori swash on another server and the news that it's gettin more feats has weighed heavy on my mind
clever cobalt
Im interest in the Lore Developments™ personally
limber comet
I haven't even combed through that section on my own lmfao
smoky knot
I still froth at the mouth for commander content
I'm sorry Matt (He/Him) but you will be devouring like a group of pirahnas for a while
limber comet
No lol but I don't know much about Aldori duelist so I can't say for sure what's new
turbid dagger
Ohhh, thank you!!
limber comet
I still froth at the mouth for commander content
smoky knot
What level is this?
warped orbit
One On One not being a flourish is interesting
turbid dagger
I'm in love with one on one
My Swash I mentioned is a Fencer and has a habit of MAP finishering, so it is PERFECT for her
warped orbit
you can use One On One with the Quicken from the stance too
turbid dagger
Indeed!
Svetlana uh
Does work
The map finishers just keep hitting
She will become a blender with these feats
rustic cape
This sucks enormously but is conceptually very amusing
turbid dagger
Okay oneeee last thing for a pal- can I get the text for Guardian archetype dedication?
limber comet
Okay oneeee last thing for a pal- can I get the text for Guardian archetype dedi...
Ye
turbid dagger
Thank youuuuu
Getting this preview has been lovely! You've made many of my friends very happy 🫶
limber comet
turbid dagger
Thank you!
limber comet
I fw this piece heavy
turbid dagger
Biggun on biggun
warped orbit
Bonk
turbid dagger
I wonder what guardian's techniques is.... Intercept Strike isn't here so I assume it's just the class feature that gives you that
rustic cape
Getting Taunt from the dedication is pretty slick
Makes the dedication a strong pickup for tanks
turbid dagger
Yessss
Especially since it also gives access to Defensive Advance
Which I maintain is one of the best feats in the game for any martial who uses a shield
rustic cape
Do we know what happened with that one second-level feat that should've been a class feature, the one that locks people's movement down to the guardian?
turbid dagger
It is now a stance that makes all adjacent squares difficult terrain
Lizardfolk feasting
warped orbit
apparently there is a Necrologist archetype in the book
it seems like it works similar to Swarmkeeper
you summon a big mob of undead that work as a single huge token, sustain to move it around, and action to make it attack
you also share damage
some stuff about Guardian I can see in a reddit thread:
- 12 HP/level now
- they get physical resistance equal to 1+half level at all times
- Intercept has 10 ft range now, 15 against Taunted targets
Commander has a new Expert Tactic called Slip and Sizzle
One ally makes a Trip, then if that Trip is successful another ally can cast a 2a spell targeting or including that enemy in its AoE
The caster becomes Slowed 1 until their next turn, and does not regain their reaction on that turn
turbid dagger
I am told the caster only gets that downside if they cast a focus or slot spell
Cantrips are a-ok
smoky knot
Holy god they gave casters content
warped orbit
oh that's nice
smoky knot
I can't believe this
Even with the Slow, that's basically Quickened Spell
Just slightly more expensive, but without a once per day restriction
warped orbit
Do we know what happened with that one second-level feat that should've been a c...
there is apparently also a followup feat to Hampering Stance called Lock Down
that as a flourish makes an attack and if you hit, the target can't get out of the emanation until either start of your next turn, until you move , or use that weapon to attack again
warped orbit
oh interesting
Guardian gets a 1a metastrike that gives an extra weapon die against targets offguard from ignoring your taunt, with extra dice scaling based on level
so it's Power Attack/Vicious Swing but 1a, just conditional on your taunt
turbid dagger
That's verrrrry nice
warped orbit
it seems much better than the playtest definitely
turbid dagger
It seems to be the best version of the class we saw in the play test
All the goodies
warped orbit
the Taunt change alone does so much for it
their resistance being more general is also good
it being blanket phys resistance also funnily means Guardian is resistant to bleeding
limber comet
I know that there's sentiment that this new version is still bad
turbid dagger
Those people are huffing gasoline
It's just a ridiculous statement to make at this point
You are far and away the sturdiest tank in the system and you have a reaction that literally forces people to hit you
warped orbit
some new Incarnate spells in the book as well apparently
surreal basin
I know that there's sentiment that this new version is still bad
Tbh if it’s from the subreddit
A lot of the people there are
How do I say this kindly
Really dumb
:p
warped orbit
making Taunt less weird and giving more range to Intercept already does a lot for Guardian
and it looks like their feats are also overall much better
surreal basin
Also there’s a heritage for Jotun that makes them medium and like
I get why it exists
But
Man why
I would never take that lmao
warped orbit
Minotaur does as well IIRC
limber comet
Man why
Just in case you wanna play them in a campaign where the dungeons are crawling
surreal basin
OOO
turbid dagger
Also there’s a heritage for Jotun that makes them medium and like
I assume there's some upside, also
I know for centaurs the medium heritage outright gives them +circ to All Reflex Saves
surreal basin
THEY GET A HERITAGE THAT JUST GETS ADDITIONAL LORE FOR WHATEVER THEY WANT
warped orbit
oh that's pretty good
surreal basin
I assume there's some upside, also
I know for centaurs the medium heritage outri...
You get an occult cantrip
Their boosts are +Str Wis -Cha
warped orbit
Warpriests rejoice I guess
clever cobalt
Ooh yeah thats gonna be good for some martials
solar storm
I hope mine ships soon
tribal steeple
Commander looks pretty sick.
surreal basin
I wanna grab int and make a wïzard giant boy
clever cobalt
I guess I'll wait until one of my friends gets it and shared it (or the PDF comes out)
surreal basin
Yknow I was kinda upset
About the Jotunkin not being giants
I think fairly
BUT
their actual lore fucking rocks
clever cobalt
From what I've seen they do have cool lore ywah
surreal basin
They’re the caretakers of the material plane who mostly maintain it from a like, planar sub level
And only start showing up for real when something crazy happens
clever cobalt
Like Gorum dying?
turbid dagger
I think fairly
If you haven't seen it- Mythspeaker's player guide outright suggests you reflavor Jotunkin to play a cyclops
Paizo is very open to people using them for more conventional giants
surreal basin
Which were basically earth fall and godsrain
surreal basin
If you haven't seen it- Mythspeaker's player guide outright suggests you reflavo...
Ooo sexy
Yeah giving them the genie heritages works for normal giants too
UHHH
THATS REALLY GOOD
Oh wow they have the Minotaur stance that gives any weapon reach
turbid dagger
lmao
Poor centaur
warped orbit
Oh wow they have the Minotaur stance that gives any weapon reach
oh nice
clever cobalt
Fastball Special canon
warped orbit
Minotaur I think also have a feat like that
tribal steeple
Best feat came out
It's essentially the same thing, jotun's boost requires a free hand
well actually, the minotaur one does 1d6 piercing damage to the ally :T
surreal basin
Huh
YEAAAH
BE HUGE
EVEN MORE INCONVIENCE
God I’m so happy with the current era of game design for pathfinder
clever cobalt
Ikr
I love how they keep evolving their game design
Anyways god I really need to get my hands on this book
It looks so fun
When does it drop for everyone?
turbid dagger
End of the month!
clever cobalt
damn
rustic cape
It is now a stance that makes all adjacent squares difficult terrain
But. Difficult terrain costs extra movement to move into. Not out of.
So that’s actively bad for a tank trying to keep enemies close.
turbid dagger
It makes it much harder to move around or past you, which is what guardian and champ care about
Champ also gets a feat like this, as well as armor inventor
rustic cape
It incentivizes opponents to go for people who aren’t the guardian
turbid dagger
It incentivizes opponents to go for people who aren’t the guardian
They will be doing that anyway, you have 12 hp heavy armor and constant physical resist, as well as the worst damage of all martials
As a Guardian, you are never going to be an appealing target for attacks because your whole purpose is to shrug off attacks
What it does is make it so people have to move a long, long way around you to actually get behind you to where other people are
rustic cape
It seems pretty situational to hallway fights where everyone is standing directly behind the guardian
I feel like a really, really easy way to do this better would have been not to use difficult terrain for it
turbid dagger
I can see it getting a fair bit of use, but it's certainly not as strong as the old version
Which as too strong
And as noted it being diff terrain actually opens up a lot of stuff, not just for you but also allies
There are a fair bit of mechanics out there that key off diff terrain
echo briar
It seems pretty situational to hallway fights where everyone is standing directl...
The thing is, as long as your allies are not directly away from you, if an enemy starts adjacent to you, they must either go though the difficult terrain or spend a movement avoiding it
surreal basin
Commander is v good I have decided
turbid dagger
I am completely enchanted by guardian, haven't given commander much of a look yet
surreal basin
Oh my god
Kinet and commander
Finally NO WAIT ARCHETYPES DONT GO OFF UR NORMAL CLASS DC
FUCK
punches wall
solar thorn
surreal basin
DUDE YOU STRAIGHT UP START GIVING PEOPLE CHRONO TRIGGER CROSS ATTACKS
AT HIGH LEVELS OF COMMANDER
limber comet
Two martials in one book
rapid wagon
So with starlit span, I can shoot a fireball arrow right?
If I have expansive spell strike
I'm thinking about how I would play a ranged focused magus,
I'm kinda toying with starlight span magus, gunslinger of some kind, Ranger, or a straight up ranged fighter
warped orbit
If I have expansive spell strike
Yes
warped orbit
I'm thinking about how I would play a ranged focused magus,
Starlight is pretty simple mostly
When you can, you can just Spellstrike and then Recharge
Being ranged means you don't have to move, so it's much easier to do that
rapid wagon
Hmm OK, so straightforward, nukey
That's not bad for artillery who is also the medic. I guess only concern really is that I'll be far enough away that saving people's lives will be harder, but healing between combat will be the same
If I went pistolero, I'd be a midline shooter and closer to my heal targets
warped orbit
If you actually go into Medic, Doctor's Visitation helps a lot with needing to move towards people for healing
You also don't necessarily have to be that far away
Though my own Medic was an Elf, so I was fast af lmao
rapid wagon
Oh true, might do that at a higher level, currently trying to get all the main things online. At this level I'll have stitch flesh, continual recovery, and ward medic. Still on my list is risky surgery and maybe assurance
Though maybe I can ignore assurance at higher levels anyway
Ignition is an ok enough spellstrike cantrip?
tribal steeple
it's as fine as any other cantrip. 2d4 fire damage at range, 2d6 for melee. gouging claw probably remains the best "raw damage value" not accounting for weaknesses triggering or resistance needing to be bypassed
rapid wagon
I like giving the party access to some elemental stuff I think
And it looks cool on my head I guess
tribal steeple
having elemental options is just good practice in case you need em
rapid wagon
Would the electric arc one jump from my spellstrike target or not at all?
tribal steeple
multiple damage cantrips for different situations and such
idk about electric arc. maybe.
there's a magus in my group who does electric arc spellstrike and I think does it like that, but I have that guy flagged as kinda munchkin-y and would check on like the pathfinder2e's server for clarification
tribal steeple
one of the reasons electric arc remains excellent even with the nerf to damage from not using attribute mod
not commonly resisted and solid multi-target
warped orbit
Would the electric arc one jump from my spellstrike target or not at all?
It doesn't IIRC
Maybe with Spell Swipe?
But generally, if you Spellstrike the imbued spell will only affect the attack target
Spellstriking with save spells is also a bit awkward
Because it gives up one of the main benefits of Spellstrike, since they still make the save normally
Especially since as a Magus your save DC probably won't be the best
rapid wagon
Gotcha, I know expansive spell strike seems to let me use template spells and still get the template tho, but something like electric arc isn't a template
smoky knot
Finally NO WAIT ARCHETYPES DONT GO OFF UR NORMAL CLASS DC
I had the same moment lmao
smoky knot
Commander is v good I have decided
What's your favorite basic tactic?
tribal steeple
I kinda want to put commander at the top of my bucket list for "next game" whenever that is. Pathbuilder/AoN update quick so I can see the content...
echo briar
People are getting Battlecry PDFs. Is anyone getting SF2 PDFs yet?
They are being released on the same day, so if the distribution is the same should be some out by now
sacred bluff
I don't think they do advanced subscriber drops for brand new systems anymore
steel blade
SF2e is explicitly being held until GenCon, according to a friend who has a subscription
rustic cape
Distribution is also just a mess right now, since Diamond went bankrupt
steel blade
https://www.backerkit.com/c/projects/jason-bulmahn/hellfinder-a-modern-hack-of-pathfinder-2nd-edition
for anybody like me who likes urban fantasy/horror stuff 
turbid dagger
Important and well hidden change for Commander-
You count as your own squad mate now
So you can be a participant in tactics
Which means if you do wish it a commander can now be MUCH less backline passive support
stuck bane
Book with the necromancer is supposed to be next year right?
warped orbit
yeah
surreal basin
We still know nothing about it other than those two classes
I’m REALLY surprised the swarm necromancy is in this book
And not in that
wary yoke
I still have the hope that whatever book has the runesmith and necro will also have the remaster's magus and summoner
echo briar
It could tie into the hellfire crisis.
It should last years
One really cool idea I’ve seen is that Nex allies with Cheliax for some big ritual, and then Geb joins the other side out of spite
warped orbit
a new war between Nex and Geb definitely seems to be what it's leading up to
surreal basin
Bloodlords also heavily implies it’s happening
clever cobalt
It could tie into the hellfire crisis.
is that what they're calling the Cheliax/Andoran war?
Still curious about the lore for that tbh
echo briar
Yes
clever cobalt
a new war between Nex and Geb definitely seems to be what it's leading up to
Hopefully it finally means new Fleshwarp feats :v
They still have no level 17 feats
surreal basin
Screams
clever cobalt
actually they came from Lost Omens Ancestry Guide
and got some new stuff in LO Impossible Lands
surreal basin
Oh shit reall
clever cobalt
yeah
but we've gotten nothing for them since
they're technically a legacy ancestry
trail nova
I need to read the shining kingdoms book. How’s Eutropia doing?
clever cobalt
Good
Facing opposition from a a large chunk of the nobility but that shouldn't come as a surprise
trail nova
Sounds about right. I hope the book remembered she has some very loyal level 18 fixers in her corner.
carmine oyster
Con would be a bit awkward on a heavy armor class
Since the 0 dex cap ones have a str req of 4
tribal steeple
kineticists still over there build like barrels
clever cobalt
Isn't there a Guardian feat that allows you to use Con instead of Str for Armor Weight purposes?
There was in the playtest
limber comet
That's for Soldier no
clever cobalt
Ah, may be mixing things up then
true delta
https://www.backerkit.com/c/projects/jason-bulmahn/hellfinder-a-modern-hack-of-p...
Cool. Thanks for sharing.
warped orbit
Holy shit crossbow infiltrator is fucking insane
I was wondering if they had gotten ang significant changes other than the undrow-ing
These both seem the same to Shootist mostly though
warped orbit
apparently the Demoralizing Charge tactic for Commander has been moved down to an Expert tactic
so at 7th, you can for two actions make two allies Stride to an enemy then Strike, and anyone hit has to make a save or get Frightened
rustic cape
Does commander still wave a flag around by default
warped orbit
the banner is a feat you can take IIRC
rustic cape
Good
warped orbit
it also got buffed in release apparently, your banner has very high hardness now (level+Int)
because an issue previously was it just getting destroyed
warped orbit
the Commander companion feat also got buffed it seems
they are no longer limited to just mounts
rustic cape
Oh cool
warped orbit
though having a mount is still very beneficial to Commander
but since you can also affect yourself with tactics now, it might not be as much of an issue
warped orbit
the Commander companion feat also got buffed it seems
they are no longer limited...
oh also I don't remember if that was the case previously, but your companion also always counts as a squadmate
they also have a high level companion upgrade feat that makes your companion talk now 😛
light gyro
it also got buffed in release apparently, your banner has very high hardness now...
why, are you gonna hit people with it? who would use a flag as a weapon on the battlefield!
rustic cape
why, are you gonna hit people with it? who would use a flag as a weapon on the b...
I’m not saying my greatest desire is to play Myrtle and call the party the Golden Apple Corps
But yes I am saying that
warped orbit
You can attach the banner to a spear or polearm too IIRC
light gyro
i was just looking into polearm feats for that. three of them are under the runelord dedication of all things
astral prawn
Imagine the agony of being a sex repulsed, aroace Succubus
light gyro
garbage collectors dont tend to like the sight or smell of garbage, but they make do. and in pf2e's case specifically the role of a succubus is temptation into sin rather than any specific. er. act.
these demons are can easily exploit lust for power, knowledge, fame, or any other desire as easily as more carnal appetites
surreal basin
the banner is a feat you can take IIRC
No the banner is part of their core kit
rustic cape
Yossss
surreal basin
It can be attached to a weapon or shield, and doesn’t have to be literally a flag tho
rustic cape
But it’s gonna be XD
surreal basin
Lolol
Also
I haven’t seen anyone talking about it
There’s a new archetype that gives you an animal companion style companion that’s just A Guy
It’s like old leadership except they’re not PCs
surreal basin
rustic cape
But it’s gonna be XD
Socialist dwarf carrying the apple of discord and a flag made of a tablecloth
wary yoke
I want Battlecry because of the classes, but also for the skirmishing system or whatever the battle rules were
Very thankful that in my group's communal setting, our metaplot has also reached the point of Giant International Wars
And the war book comes out, lol
surreal basin
Chat
The skirmish rules are good
I like them
They basically let you combine your character with a troop statblock that your PC is leading
And you split 5 actions between the leader and the troop
warped orbit
yeah
carmine oyster
Fire Emblem rules
tribal steeple
I anticipate getting ahold of those for our Kingmaker game. We're kinda on the verge of war and I'd like the idea of characters leading gaggles of troops.
small meteorBOT
Can you attach it to armour?
Emily, Ghost of Catgirls Past ↩️
carmine oyster
Flag cape!
(...I wonder if you can, technically, attach it to a Gauntlet or Shield Boss, they are weapons after all)
small meteorBOT
I was thinking a sashimono, but yes. :3
carmine oyster
Hussar-style wings is also a solid vibe
small meteorBOT
Oh true.
carmine oyster
Or an extremely excessive helmet plume
echo briar
One cool thing, there are magic banners too
Non invested, no hands, and effects you and all allies within 30ft
rustic cape
Hm, how to do the apple of discord ...
light gyro
a censer maybe?
silver geyser
Hm, how to do the apple of discord ...
rustic cape
Does PF2e have an item that causes weird battle-shifting effects in an unpredictable way?
Or an ability?
Or something?
wraith snow
I mean, there are the various "Of Wonder" items but the user needs to go out of their way for those
rustic cape
Aye
The main thing is that if I want to build Myrtle, her deal is that she and her golden apple have extremely unpredictable, difficult-to-quantify positive effects on the outcome of a mission
clever cobalt
Any big lore in Battlecry?
I've learnt basically nothing beyond the obvious (Cheliax and Andoran are at war)
light gyro
The main thing is that if I want to build Myrtle, her deal is that she and her g...
really i'd just have some kind of spellcasting and flavour it as 'i have no idea what's gonna pop out of this' in-character. but thats only cus im a hater for random effects
rustic cape
Yeah I know, I hate wild magic tables in general
The best implementation I’ve seen was the 13th Age chaos mage, which has an offense spell, a defense spell, and a utility spell available every round, but shuffles exactly which ones are on call at the start of its turn
warped orbit
apparently one of the new banner magic items in Battlecry (which don't need investment, and can be attached to a weapon or shield), just lets you an all allies within 30 ft of you ignore difficult terrain
it is a 14th level item, but still
tribal steeple
A passive AOE that constantly negates a persisting inconvenience at best and debilitatingly restricts movement at worst? Not bad.
carmine oyster
Hmm, not a fan of magic items like that not needing investment at first blush, but I'll have to see the actual stats/rules for them to form a better-founded opinion
rustic cape
Hm, so I've got my kineticist who just took Champion for free archetype
It was pointed out that as a pharasma worshiper, I can't do Redeemer as I had planned, and since my GM lets us treat a 1-action blast as a strike, Justice is the bet
However, that opens up a free archetype feat at 10th level, when there's not much to grab. In addition, we now have an exemplar in the group with thousand league sandals, which removes some of the utility of going Exemplar multiclass with Multitalented at 9th. I'm considering my other options, and this is what's on the table:
I guess I could just grab lay hands at 10th, but as a kineticist who already has healing nonsense ...
wary yoke
No non-multiclass archetypes?
rustic cape
Not for multitalented
Hmm, maybe Champion has something good at 6th ...
Then I could just grab lay on hands at 10th and something like that at 12th
Nothing that really appeals to me other than Smite, and I dunno if that would work with my GM's house rule
tribal steeple
9th level Multitalented feat only allows class archetypes iirc
vocal ember
maybe Cleric Dedication for Rapid Response and Basic Spellcasting?
rustic cape
Tragically not Aiuvarin, they can ignore stat prereqs for multitalented
rustic cape
In a different game, got a fancy +3 greater striking brilliant longbow with unlimited arrows made of moonlight, and since it had shifting, immediately turned it into a lock in a sock made of moonlight
Cool combo discovered: fire kineticist can give someone weaknesses. Exploit vulnerability can use those weaknesses.
Party synergy
warped orbit
Hmm, I suppose so yeah
surreal basin
Admittedly like
Not an incredible ability actually
But it’s funny if nothing else
fossil dome
10d12 is a lot of damage
rustic cape
Yeah, at that level as a 1/day ability this is ... pretty bad
But it is also very funny
warped orbit
my slight gripe with it is honestly that the extra Bulk is a non trivial complication
fossil dome
The Stride is also not to be sneezed ay
warped orbit
8 bulk is not that easy, even if you split it between 4-ish people
surreal basin
Yeah that’s a LOT of bulk lmao
rustic cape
Average 65 damage, against a single target, with an attack roll, 1/day, for two actions, at 17th level? Kinda sucks. But great image.
balmy ferry
To a very specific area, mind you.
Kinda concerned about 'okay so we all do this and then next turn the other guys fireball us because none of us are more than 10ft from another'
rustic cape
"The party has to bunch up to do this" is not a great yeah that
There could be use cases for it but like
Compare with Thousand-League Sandals
Or Liberator
warped orbit
it could, but you also already have other tactics to make people Stride much earlier
it also competes with other legendary tactics like Bloody Guillotine or what it was called
which IIRC is like "any number of allies Stride up to an enemy, and then either Trip or Strike. If the target dies, other enemies around them get sickened"
surreal basin
Yeah there’s some really good legendary tactics
clever cobalt
What are some of the others?
carmine oyster
Are all the legendary tactics 1/day?
surreal basin
No I believe it’s only this one
trim bluff
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/715050513338728518/1395944722568314993/im...
i know this isnt good but it is insanely funny to me
the mental image of a bunch of guys tossing a balista together in like 5 seconds and then it completely falls apart the moment you shoot it
carmine oyster
I feel like if you're putting together a one-use ballista the assorted parts should depart the vicinity a bit more... energetically than that
turbid dagger
No I believe it’s only this one
They are all 1/day 😔
Legendary Tactics are 1/day as a rule
surreal basin
Oh they are? Damn
rapid wagon
When playing a summoner, I still want to invest in an upgraded weapon right?
light gyro
i might be wrong but doesnt the summon benefit from handwraps
Your eidolon's Strikes benefit from the fundamental and property runes on your handwraps of mighty blows. Alternatively, you can Invest a magic weapon (even though magic weapons can't normally be Invested) to share its fundamental and property runes with your eidolon. You share these benefits only while you're holding the weapon, and you can have no more than one weapon invested in this way at a time. In either case, the eidolon gains only the benefits that can apply to its attacks, with the same limitations noted in handwraps of mighty blows.
silver geyser
Seems the weapon also works.
rapid wagon
I just have to be holding it and invested it seems, I guess hands wraps are cheap
Also where do I find basic eidolon stats? I see suggested weapons but not the damage values
rapid wagon
Are they basic npc stats or something?
surreal basin
Are u on AON
light gyro
https://2e.aonprd.com/Eidolons.aspx
Hit the link at the bottom of the respective eidolon
Er, assuming that the server errors are just on my end, that is
surreal basin
It’s def having some issues
glossy ridge
is it just me ore does it feel like this week theres been a lot of variuos servers issues
and i don't mean just pathfinder
light gyro
the modern internet sits on top of like two or three services, so yeah probably. iirc some AWS region was having problems yesterday
rapid wagon
for the pepperbox, it has reload 1
am i reloading 1 barrel
or all 3
im assuming just 1 barrel
warped orbit
Just 1
wary yoke
Okay, Ive read over the Commander, and I'm warming up to the banner
Mostly because of Plant Banner
warped orbit
im assuming just 1 barrel
You can either reload one barrel, or use the capacity trait to switch to the next barrel
Both take an action, the difference is just that capacity doesn't require a free hand
rapid wagon
ahh so if im a pistolero, and im dual wielding, i dont really get a lot of benefit for having capacity 3
since ive got other fancy reload mechanisms
that dont need me to have free hands
im currently split between a pistolero or drifter gunslinger, a summoner (dragon or beast), or a magus (starlist span or sparkling targe)
echo briar
A few Starfinder previews are in. Apparently envoys got directives substantially changed
There is no more lead by example.
All directives now have a basic 1 action version, and a 2 action version that includes what the old lead by example action was
warped orbit
Huh
echo briar
So get em is either one action, or 2 actions with increased effect and a built in strike
rapid wagon
Can someone check me on this? My Eidolon shares my health pool as a summoner. I split actions with it, i invest in a melee weapon to improve its melee attacks?
warped orbit
So get em is either one action, or 2 actions with increased effect and a built i...
I guess that's fine
Not sure why though
warped orbit
Can someone check me on this? My Eidolon shares my health pool as a summoner. I ...
Yes
You share runes, actions and HP
echo briar
Solarian might not have subclasses anymore
Many of their old subclass features are now feats.
But the limited information means we don’t know if they were replaced, or scrapped
surreal basin
They said they were gonna do that, I think they just straight up don’t have them anymore
Which is fine
warped orbit
Does kinda increase feat pressure then
rapid wagon
Anything else i should know/ think of if I'm walking into summoner for the first time?
warped orbit
Act Together is extremely important
surreal basin
Fair but tbh the balance subclasses were kinda nothing burgers
warped orbit
The bread and butter Sunmoner turn is usually Tandem Movement to move both into position, then cast a cantrip/spell with the Summoner and Strike with Eidolon
rapid wagon
And it's totally within bounds to play the eidolon as a beefcake puncher?
Despite them not having a different health bar?
warped orbit
Yes, that's the intended playstyle for most Eidolons
rapid wagon
So my role is generally a bit of mixed damage faux frontlining with strong positional advantages
Use my spells for big moments/boss fights/aoe
Any must have/ highly recommended magic items to go for?
warped orbit
So my role is generally a bit of mixed damage faux frontlining with strong posit...
The shtick with Summoner is basically that you are an okay caster stapled together with an okay martial
You can do both, but neither as well as a more dedicated class
rapid wagon
That's actually kind of perfect for what I want
Does seem like it might make my purchasing a little wonky
warped orbit
The strength of Summoner is mainly getting to cheat actions just a little via Act Together
rapid wagon
Ok so I'll need to make sure I fully understand that
My only regret is it'll be a charisma based class and our party has a champion, swashbuckler, sorcerer, and bard
All personality team
We do also have a fighter
We didn't need more meat on the front line for sure, I figured we wanted some more nuke damage, possibly ranged capability, and maybe Arcane or occultism
rapid wagon
Trying to pick between dragon and beast eidolon, planning to play as a ghoul summoner, the beast feels like a fun and weird connection to nature's vital energy, and dragon feels good for inducing that kind of ambition to power.
Tbh starlit span was my first choice
rapid wagon
Might be cool to do plants for undead themes too (avoiding undead eidolon)
warped orbit
Ok so I'll need to make sure I fully understand that
basically Act Together means a Summoner has four actions, but more clunky
once per round when you or your Eidolon perform an activity, the other also gets to take one action
warped orbit
Oh, huh, does lifelink surge work fine if I'm undead?
it has the positive trait, so no
warped orbit
but Lifelink gives your Eidolon fast healing
and your Eidolon will not be undead in most cases
rapid wagon
That's... pretty cool
warped orbit
another trick with Summoner is that the Summoner and the Eidolon have separate Battle Medicine cooldowns
or other per target cooldowns
rapid wagon
Can it carry a healing tool kit?
warped orbit
don't remember if the Eidolon can do skill actions
rapid wagon
Wait and I can battle medicine it to heal myself is what you meant
And then b medecine myself
warped orbit
or someone else can do it, yes
rapid wagon
Very cool stuff
Yeah i figure summoner will synergise better than magus for me also being the parties non magical healer
Summoner being able to wear a lot of hats is kind of fun
warped orbit
Any must have/ highly recommended magic items to go for?
also forgot to mention this
your Eidolon cannot use items, unless they are items specifically made for eidolons
rapid wagon
Honestly arms like a pretty cool/ unique class
warped orbit
but this means you primarily buy items like a caster, except for also needing to keep up with weapon runes
so you'll want staves, scrolls, and wands mostly
and some worn utility items
rapid wagon
My decision split is magus, gunslinger, summoner, and I'm leaning summoner
Summoner vibe was gonna be a ghoul corpse stitcher who was doing some illegal vitality rituals on the side, bonded to a beast spirit and got sheltered by a blood lord
Kind a unique scenario of an undead bonded to a extremely vital eidolon
Current party comp after 2 of us died in a boss fight is now gonna be
Champ/Barb dedication
Bard
Fighter
Sorcerer
Swashbuckler
Me
The sorcerer is almost never there and the champs work schedule might mess up their ability to join consistently
So the summoner feels like a better way to fill the slack
While the magus would be a better fit if people were all present more frequently
I'm also the resident hard skill into medecine
Magus was a union of wanting a ranged damage source that is elemental, summoner was wanting to do a bit of it all, and gunslinger was about being a midrange non magic damage source
surreal basin
I would also lean that way, magus is a little spiky in a way that’s rough on APs, and early level gunslinger can be harsh
Especially drifter who is gonna be eating AoOs like nobody’s business lmao
rapid wagon
lol
summoner i think will be what i got with i think
if trend holds ill die in the next boss fight anyway lol
rapid wagon
|| We just killd Sahni, that fight was brutal, my monk died||
surreal basin
Ahhh right
surreal basin
GUH IS THAT OFFICIAL?
wary yoke
Literally just announced!
light gyro
bwuh
small meteorBOT
SPACE NINJA! :D
turbid dagger
So is this
An adventure, a content pack, or both
I imagine at the very least it's the former
But unsure how you'll represent warframes or enemies of such without a content pack
clever cobalt
Doess this mean good things for Paizo
given that Warframe is a decently popular game and the devs are hooking up with a Non-WotC TTRPG company
wary yoke
So is this
An adventure, a content pack, or both
I imagine at the very least it'...
Apparently its going to be a module at GenCon
But I'm hoping it will lead to more in the future
sinful gyro
While cross brand promotion can icky, for ttrpgs it can be done tastefully
And it will expand pathfinders market share (pardon my dirty language)
light gyro
Starfinder seems much sillier overall also compared to pf
(okay Rasputin being an actual magical being is very silly but it's sword and sorcery silly as opposed to guardians of the galaxy silly)
clever cobalt
And it will expand pathfinders market share (pardon my dirty language)
Honestly I dont think this is a bad thing
Paizo deserves more attention tbh
rapid wagon
we lookin at a warframe oriented class?
light gyro
we lookin at a warframe oriented class?
Currently just a oneshot adventure with some pre-gens
tribal steeple
we lookin at a warframe oriented class?
What if players have to survive against an MR19 tenno out to kill them
turbid dagger
It is an adventure set in the warframe universe, with you playing protoframes
Interested to see how they translate warframes into SF2e
rapid wagon
NPC ability "Helicopter" Stride 4 times, making a melee Strike against any characters you were adjacent to during the movement
trail nova
Starfinder seems much sillier overall also compared to pf
Yeah, it’s one of my personal pet peeves, in addition to the random design peeves (basically, why is this so tethered to Pathfinder. Particularly on the spell traditions.)
rustic cape
I like the silliness
trim bluff
i tried to cast silence on a devil while they were giving some speech but they spell resisted it 😔
according to the dm i got really close to making the check and it wouldve been really funny but alas
rapid wagon
Is a magic staff with spells and stuff also function as a normal 1 handed staff?
Thinking about what weapon i should be holding as a summoner
rapid wagon
Hmm, would i be better off getting a magic staff and upgrading like a dagger separately for my eidolon?
carmine oyster
Likely a good idea
(Or Handwraps, or a Gauntlet of some variety)
Handwraps saves you the investment slot
thorny berry
pre-gens or something seems like the way to go translating warframes mechanically to player options seems really awkward
too narrow for classes if you tried to do a single warframe, too broad if you tried to do warframes as a concept, too fundamentally defining for archetypes
tribal steeple
Handwraps are the sensible "weapon upgrade" vector for summoners. You can still carry a staff around for spell purposes but I would lean toward just the handwraps for sinking gold into for runes
twilit escarp
A question, what is a good Discord bot for PF dicerolls?
rapid wagon
I use dice maiden but I dunno if it's good specifically for pf.
turbid dagger
A question, what is a good Discord bot for PF dicerolls?
Kobold bot can import whole path builder sheets
It's main downside is that spells aren't automated but it's not like you'll find a bit that DOES do that
twilit escarp
What about PF1 bots?
twilit escarp
Kobold bot can import whole path builder sheets
It's main downside is that spel...
Or will it work just fine for PF1 too?
rustic cape
My ex-bandit Kingmaker PC infiltrating the Stag Lord's camp right now
true delta
Heya. What could I do as a sort of ritualised combat or fantasy ball game? How would you do that?
light gyro
there's the duel subsystem in the GM Core for 1 v 1s, though no nice subsystems for any kind of sport, really.
rustic cape
Stag Lord camp update: freed the owlbear, the situation is now ridiculous
true delta
https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=3084&NoRedirect=1
Thank you. Yeah, I'm considering making use of that.
rapid wagon
if i cast haste on my eidolon, I can share actions, 2 me 1 them, and they'd still get 1 more free action to stride or strike right?
rapid wagon
wait so we'd both have an extra action if either one of us were hasted?
light gyro
no, you'd just get the one quickened extra action, and you decide which of your character or eidolon gets it on that round
rapid wagon
ok so my initial impression was on the right track, but the extra action wouldnt be bound to whomever is hasted
itd be a floating extra tha ti could give to myself or the eidolon
warped orbit
Yeah
rapid wagon
but otherwise still has the same restriction of either stride or strike
hmm
haste seems like a good spell to maybe get
warped orbit
Haste is always good as a buff
light gyro
[gm voice] haste and slow are the most evil spells in the game
warped orbit
Slow is amazing yeah
clever cobalt
Especially cause it isnt incap
light gyro
ITS NOT EVEN INCAP
warped orbit
Synesthesia 😌
light gyro
somehow my strength of thousands party never discovered synethesia
rapid wagon
currently hunting for level 2 items then i gotta spend my 80 gp
warped orbit
I kept a little stockpile of Synesthesia scrolls on my Investigator
That I use with casting dedications
rapid wagon
2nd:
2nd:
3rd:Staff of Air
4th:Handwraps Might Blows +1 Striking
4th:Spacious Pouch (Type I)
5th:Wand of Summoner's Precaution
80 gp
Marvelous Miniature Campfire x5 5gp
Where I'm at atm
warped orbit
And it was still great
rapid wagon
for this summoner character
current spell selection
is enlarge worth when i also have access to evolution surge?
i figure i could enlarge AND evolution surge for something else
but that circumstance isn't exactly super common
enlarge is also a bit stronger i think than the making it bigger from surge
light gyro
currently hunting for level 2 items then i gotta spend my 80 gp
cold iron ingot to bludgeon fairies to death with as required
rapid wagon
lol
rustic cape
lol
That's actually a good call though, if you are able to switch a cantrip to the ever-popular needle darts
Having a chunk of everything can be a very good idea
light gyro
.... oh shit thats cool
rustic cape
Needle darts is an amazing cantrip for this exact reason
warped orbit
yeah
tribal steeple
"what if telekinetic projectile wasn't a text wall"
rapid wagon
honestly just didn't want to use needledarts cause of how obvious a pick it is, and I felt the fire and slashing cantrips felt more in line with the beast eidolon/primal tradition to me
heavy fulcrum
needle darts: it just works!
clever cobalt
Just had a very fun encounter
Mythic Boss shows up, crit fails a save against slow, thaumaturge (me) prevents it from using its mythic ability to get rid of Slow two rounds in a row
it died within 2-3 rounds and didn't get to do a single thing
warped orbit
crit fails a save against slow
well yeah the fight is over
clever cobalt
tbf Mythic creatures can remove debuffs entirely by using a mythic point
thing is, it's an action and has the Concentrate trait
which the Thaumaturge's weapon reaction can proc against (and disrupt)
trail nova
Ugh. Trying to figure out how my envoy/mystic character went from "first mate on a gun running crew" to "Priestess of Hylax (Still down with a bit of recreational gun running.)"
frank crystal
So my exemplar player pulled a magic sword out of an artificial god and I was not prepared for that and now I need to make something up
He’s level 11 and a great weapon user
And specifically wants to use this weapon for his barrows edge ikon
While he keeps this other magic sword I did prepare for gleaming blade
rustic cape
Oh right exemplars have that one change-up feat
frank crystal
Oh right exemplars have that one change-up feat
No he’s reworking his build and grabbing barrows edge as his additional ikon
rustic cape
Right I meant in terms of weapon-switching
frank crystal
Ohhh
rustic cape
The exemplar in my Kingmaker party is an iruxi with a bite, claws, and a tail slap, and ikons on each one
frank crystal
Yah, though I think he’s actually planning to use a thousand blade thesis he found to swap weapons quickly
rustic cape
Tbh since you can't put a weapon back and that's only once per day that'll be rough
The whole appeal of multi-weapon ikon builds is that you can go nonstop with the transcendences, imo
I dunno, it'll work fine
frank crystal
What is the feat that lets you swap then?
wraith snow
The Exemplar in the Kingmaker game I'm in is doing primarily a shortbow Ikon but with a tail strike as the emergency backup plan, seems pretty solid tbh
frank crystal
Ohhh
wraith snow
I do love how melee capable some archer builds can be in this game
frank crystal
I will say he’ll probably be fine because barrows edge isn’t really something he’ll swap to often
It’s more a backup plan if he needs the healing
Gleaming blade is still his main source of damage
wraith snow
One of the more entertaining builds I've seen was a volley-bow Orc Ranger where if enemies got inside of their volley range they would run up and start punching them
frank crystal
Lol
rustic cape
Given bows need strength and dex, it works fine to melee for most bow users
turbid dagger
I kind of want to do a bow centaur
It's a classic, but also one heritage gets a finesse d8 unarmed attack
So going dex 4 str 3 is quite workable for ranged and melee
No clue what class though
Fighter has the best feats but tragically is screwed by weapon groups
rustic cape
Quest for the Frozen Flame has a ridiculous large-size bow that shows up towards the end, at maybe level 9 or 10?
A frost giant sniper chases you around with it
rapid wagon
I kind of want to do a bow centaur
It's a classic, but *also* one heritage gets ...
How do you mean screwed?
Fighter seems like the natural choice
Ranger is an obvious pick after that probably
Rogue?
warped orbit
How do you mean screwed?
Can't be specialised in both Bows and Brawling
turbid dagger
Yeah you'll have a permanent -2 to hit in one of those after a point
rapid wagon
Ahh OK, wouldn't any other class also have that issue?
rustic cape
To be tbh I kinda feel like fighters should have accelerated proficiency in general
Rather than just for one weapon type
warped orbit
Fighter weapon spec is... weird
Because it doesn't really do much other than screw certain builds
rustic cape
There's not a lot of reason for it to be a thing other than "something something 3.5 fighters had weapon specialization as a feat line"
rapid wagon
Like wouldn't a fighter just be especially better at one weapon rather than being 2 worse than other classes at other weapons?
warped orbit
Well you are equivalent to other classes with non specialized
turbid dagger
Well, when your entire benefit over other classes is +2 to hit, not having that +2 to hit is not good
rapid wagon
Yeah so it's not really a -2 is it?
rustic cape
It's a -2 to hit for a fighter
A surprising amount of a fighter's power is baked into their increased hit and crit rates
warped orbit
Well, when your entire benefit over other classes is +2 to hit, not having that ...
Also yeah definitely
turbid dagger
Its equivalent to a Barbarian not having extra damage from rage unless they are wielding an Axe
rapid wagon
So rather than being good with a bow and actively worse with your brawling, you're real good with a bow and average with your brawling
I don't really see a big issue with being a little worse at one thing; the game seems to push really hard for characters and classes to only use one weapon they marry themselves to anyway
turbid dagger
But since every other class has other benefits that fighter doesn't have, how it shakes out is that you are on-curve with bows and behind curve with brawling
rustic cape
Aye, the fighter's damage feature is "crits"
warped orbit
also secondarily having better metastrikes than everyone else
(though you can poach those through archetypes too usually)
carmine oyster
Well, when your entire benefit over other classes is +2 to hit, not having that ...
I feel like the same is true of basically every other class not using their primary weapon though
Some can flex better than others admittedly but it's pretty standard for a class to not get their big benefits if you're using your secondary weapon
rustic cape
Because it doesn't really do much other than screw certain builds
I think this is the best summary of the issue
It has no effect other than punish very specific combinations that are not stronger than just using one weapon
warped orbit
for most Fighter it just doesn't do anything because they only use Their Weapon, so it never really comes up
but it impacts dual wielding and switch hitting Fighters a lot
rustic cape
You are pretty strongly incentivized not to be a switch-hitting fighter not because switch-hitting would be too powerful but rather because ???
And while some things like this at least communicate a vibe, the fighter's vibe isn't strongly related to "master of one"
carmine oyster
My point is that switch hitting is something that comes with a cost in every many classes, not just fighter. And it would be reasonable to say the fighter should be exempt from that as part of their class identity, but it would be a bonus for them compared to everyone else
rustic cape
But it still hurts them in all of the ways it hurts every other class
And also this extra one where they lose their damage feature
It wouldn't hurt them less if they just had across-the-board proficiency
It would hurt them exactly as much
carmine oyster
Other classes have damage features that are tied to specific weapons, like subclasses or deity favoured weapons
I guess I consider the Fighter's weapon specialization as their equivalent of subclass
warped orbit
a Precision Ranger swapping from a bow to a rapier loses almost nothing, except maybe Hunted Shot if they are mainly ranged
rustic cape
Barbarians only have a restriction against getting the full benefit of agile. Paladins can invest magic in a specific weapon but that's not even necessarily a very good choice. Rogues have nothing. Magus has nothing. Ranger ... likes using either multi-hit or single-hit tactics, but that's not really being predisposed to a weapon category.
Inventor I'll give you because that's their whole deal
Thaum might have something if they have a weapon implement
One of the strongest exemplar build types is specifically about switch-hitting
frank crystal
A frost giant sniper chases you around with it
Giant bow users are underrated tbh
rustic cape
Monks are usually tied to a particular stance or group of weapons, so that's fair
carmine oyster
Ruffian? Thief? Starlit Span?
Admittedly, I do think I overestimate how much you're penalized in other classes, I've been doing a lot of Warpriest buildcrafting recently
rustic cape
Ruffian can switch-hit just fine, thief can using anything finesse, starlit span is pretty specific
warped orbit
it's always harder for Str builds, but that's just how it is with ranged always being Dex locked
and it's also one of the few upsides of Dex builds
rustic cape
A bunch of classes have a subclass that wants them to do use a specific weapon, but the only martial classes that strongly indicate on the whole are Gunslinger (and even that has a switch-hitting archetype), and Fighter
carmine oyster
Magus as well, but yes, it's not as universal as I'd been thinking
rustic cape
Magus is fair, yeah
carmine oyster
Fighter really needs to get Gunslinger's rider of being able to share proficiency in combination weapons
rustic cape
At the very least
carmine oyster
(Whether or not it gets a wider change)
rustic cape
On a completely unrelated note, this is my Mad Bomber for Kingmaker. https://pathbuilder2e.com/launch.html?build=1183775
I'm realizing, however, that Burn It! does not stack with Expanded Blast
Which means I could potentially drop Demolitionist
Anyone have thoughts on what bullshit might be good to snag instead?
inb4 mortal herald
warped orbit
Mortal Herald is the correct choice for everyone I think 😛
rustic cape
I'm seriously pondering it because I'm talking with my group about her finding god with Lubaiko and becoming the religious leader of the kingdom (we have no divine characters)
Molotov cocktail goddess
rustic cape
frank crystal
Chatroom, what would be a good effects for a greatsword that an exemplar has gotten that fits barrows edge?
trail nova
Some way to sense living creatures near it.
rustic cape
~~inb4 mortal herald~~
Mortal Ascension described as rocket boots
Character already has Unbreakable-er goblin and so can be reasonably described as slamming into stuff
frank crystal
Hmm, barrows edge already tells you when someone is below half, so maybe I could do something about targeting people below half
are there any like, binding spells?
rustic cape
Hmm, barrows edge already tells you when someone is below half, so maybe I could...
You could solve the weapon switching problem and say it just automatically switches with the other sword when it senses someone it wants to suck the life out of
frank crystal
maybe
rustic cape
This sword is a piece of some kind of divine entity, right?
Maybe even frame it as a curse, where it demands to be used
Pieces of gods having opinions seems on-brand
frank crystal
Maybe even frame it as a curse, where it demands to be used
If so I’ll probably wanna keep that part hidden until it happens
rustic cape
I honestly don't know how much is too much with unique weapons, so I'm just spitballing, but some kind of draw-cut when it comes out could also be fun? I'm just spitballing here, tbc
frank crystal
Rn this is what I’ve got
wraith snow
are there any like, binding spells?
Binding in what sense? If you mean restricting movement, there's Impaling Spike and Frost Pillar, in terms of more metaphysical binding, there's the bubble spells and the Maze
frank crystal
I meant the former
wraith snow
Impaling Spike could be fun, then. You could flavour it as stabbing the sword into the earth and a larger version coming up from under someone's feet
frank crystal
It is a sick spell
fast hill
does anyone have any reccomendations on how to make pf2e work with like, 1 or 2 people?
silver geyser
They run multiple characters.
true delta
In my limited experience? Just lower the levelnof challenges and enemies quite a bit.
Alternatively, give them supportive NPCs. (Caveat: Only do this is your playeds are okay with waiting a long time for their turn in combat)
^ still works great if the NPCs are established and well-liked
novel merlin
If you don't run multiple characters you basically 100% need a rogue/investigator and a caster?
rapid wagon
more money and hirelingsi s also a way, or free hirelings
which is a lower load way to run extra characters no?
You can also run a more intrigue/low combat driven campaign
or as others have said, more frequently run easier combats
warped orbit
does anyone have any reccomendations on how to make pf2e work with like, 1 or 2...
dual class
also yeah, supportive NPCs and making things a little easier
wary yoke
Maybe give players followers from Battlecry
rapid wagon
if youre players arent seeking mechanical challenge you can make things easier and/or boost their power levels to let them do big shit more easily
twilit escarp
Question, is there some tables with random encounters for different areas?
Started GMing the Giantslayer adventure and dunno if there's random encounters
(All happens in Belkzen)
eager mountain
SO
the Nova rush map is out
pretty sizeable
2 floors, 6 beds for crew, a rec room , medbay , mess hall in between the beds , a brigs and some exscape pods
nopt bad for a ship that looks like this tho
its a cargo hauler , IIRC
light gyro
gunpla shoulder piece ass space ship
wait, what if there's like twenty other weirdly-shaped ships and you can put them all together....
eager mountain
im not sure those would fit together
true delta
You're thinking of a Megazord.
light gyro
zz gundam was a combining robot years before megazord!!!! >:(
fast hill
tryna find the king dedede "Fleet, toughness, incredible initiative" meme if anyone has that saved
twilit escarp
2e has a surprising lack of support for m random encounters
What about 1e?
(This is what I GM)
rustic cape
For some reason it never clicked for me until now that Reckless Abandon can be used to eat reactive strikes
surreal basin
Yeah battlecry
The mass combat rules involve troops p heavily is mostly why there’s a lot of them
rapid wagon
im excited about playing a summoner soon; worried im gonna die super fast again lol
frank crystal
Chatroom, there’s a vampire hunter character after one of my PCs and I wanna have them perch from a distant tower taking pot shots at them
With the perch rigged to blow when the PCs enter it
Is there any traps which trigger on specifically undead?
Or at least do primarily positive damage?
limber comet
My physical copy of Battlecry is here!+
wooden orbit
Still craving a political intrigue/drama/war campaign set in Tian Xia focused around the Successor States of Lung Wa.
clever cobalt
Isnt that most of Tian Xia
wraith snow
Yeah, similar to how most of Avistan was part of Taldor at some point
The main difference being the Lung Wa fully Balkanized while Taldor just contracted
silver geyser
Andoran, Cheliax, and Galt say otherwise.
clever cobalt
Andoran and Galt rebelled off of Cheliax
silver geyser
And Cheliax was a part of Taldor
wooden orbit
Isnt that most of Tian Xia
Not all of Tian Xia, but yeah most of central Tian Xia and some of southern.
Central Tian Xia also has the added layers of cultural influence from two prior empires too.
rapid wagon
How believable is it to have characters from tian Xia abroad in other places? I imagine it's rare but not unheard of, with long distance sailing still being dangerous and time consuming, but trade definitely being a thing
warped orbit
it's not that unusual overall I think
surreal basin
Yeah not weird
wooden orbit
How believable is it to have characters from tian Xia abroad in other places? I ...
It's not that weird o.o There's already a major Tian settlement in the Realm of the Mammoth Lords, established by Lung Wa I think (Or the prior Empire. One of the Emperors was upset that an explorer from Minkai had founded a passage from the Wall of Heaven through the Crown of the World into the Lands of the Linnorm Kings, so an expedition was eventually launched and resulted in the founding of Icestair, a major trade settlement)
And there's the Erutaki, a nomadic people living in the Crown of the World who are of Varisian and Tian descent.
Plus there are major naval trade routes, one of which ends in Goka.
The only people coming from Tian you might find rare are folks leaving Bachuan since until pretty recently Bachuan was a very isolationist nation.
wraith snow
I've run a character who ended up in the Inner Sea region by getting involved with court affairs in Amanandar and being sent as a delegate representative.
Plus, many Tengu end up as itinerant sailors, so that's an especially easy one.
wooden orbit
Yeah, there's probably a large Tengu diaspora due to their history in Tian.
They only recently got their homeland's independence again and it's having a rough time recovering at the moment.
light gyro
pf buddy building an investigator so i can only think about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B62ACxuq8Pw
light gyro
oh, and since im really lame i named my catfolk after a cat character from arknights (Feist) - only to discover that another buddy gave their naturey character the last name Quercus. coincidentally, also a cat character from arknights (they dont know a thing about arknights)
I'm finally getting to look at Battlecry
surreal basin
They’re so cool
wooden orbit
They’re so cool
They really are, and I love their physique. Feels quite unique, instead of doing another fantasy "Big human"
surreal basin
I like the lore angle of universal white blood cells as well
turbid dagger
I think I might have preferred a more big human design but yeee, I respect the move
Moreover it's easy enough use jotunborn for more traditional giants anyway
wooden orbit
Yeah, the new AP suggests using Jotunborns if you want to reflavor them as a Cyclops since they can function as your stand in for a Giant.
wooden orbit
I like the lore angle of universal white blood cells as well
Yeah, I really love that bit too.
Not every one of them, but a lot of them, have a almost supernatural connection to a natural site somewhere on Golarion and the closer they get the more drawn to it they are.
With the need to fix it up, though not totally since the disrepair and natural overgrowth is still part of the site.
Must have been one rude awakening for all the Jotunborn that were currently on Golarion when the Godsrain happened and suddenly they were practically cut off from their home plane.
wooden orbit
Jotunborn and Minotaur, my beloved big guys™
Playing a Minotaur in my friend's Extinction Curse campaign right now.
Ghost Bull Minotaur, and she/they are a Lore Oracle.
As soon as Pathbuilder updates to include Battlecry I'm building my Jotunborn.
Ya know, after reading events that happened in 4724 AR....I gotta ask, what are the Osirions doing considering all of their gods just got vanished from existence.
tribal steeple
panicking, I imagine
wooden orbit
panicking, I imagine
God imagine being a Cleric of Ra, and thinking initially "Gorum's dead? Meh." a Month or weeks later, and you wake up to find out not only has Ra just fucking vanished, so has all of his fellow deities. Along with three Hag Goddesses. Though Thoth was cast from Golarion prior to this after he fought Nethys.
small meteorBOT
Random fun fact: The adjectival form of Tian is Tien.
Fey Friend, Spoon (she/they) ↩️
rustic cape
Are there any abilities or items that would make it possible to use alchemist's fire and similar fire bombs while underwater?
Or, alternately, convert them to another damage type temporarily?
rustic cape
I know, the solution is "use a different bomb."
For the sake of argument let's assume that's inexpedient.
vocal ember
this feat I suppose https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=2158
echo briar
Also, being in the water will still give you fire resistance, and this doesn’t stop it
rustic cape
Unfortunate.
rustic cape
I suppose Herald's Weapon could work for 1 bomb per hour >_>
wary yoke
Does anyone know of a way to treat Drained with Medicine?
rustic cape
Paragon Battle Medicine
warped orbit
That ones pretty much the only way I know, yeah
wary yoke
Hmm. Rare and legacy content, not a great combination. But it works with Godless Healing/Mortal Healing, which I've adapted, so I might be able to use it.
Kinda tramples all over my Medic archetype though
rustic cape
I've found that Paragon Battle Medicine is fine, fwiw.
Yes, it's better than Treat Condition in-combat.
But Treat Condition is hot garbage in-combat and is mostly outstanding out of it, anyway.
Personal opinion, but I think it's okay for medics to have some really good condition removal, considering the limitations on Battle Medicine in any given fight.
Unrelated: revised the build for my extremely stupid barbarian to include Mortal Herald >_> https://pathbuilder2e.com/launch.html?build=1186419
Tragically, I can't think of a good spot to nab Additional Lore for Cooking -_-
rustic cape
Ah now here's the one that obliviates Treat Condition >_>
wary yoke
I mean, Treat Condition works in combat, this only works with Treat Wounds
A lot less fiddly than Paragon Battle Medicine as well
warped orbit
https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=5234
oh that's very good, hadn't seen that one before
wary yoke
Annoyingly, I can fit this into my build, but it means I would have to delay taking Evangelist until level 10
Which, while not a cornerstone, is one of the important feats for my character, a militant antitheist
rustic cape
Imo half the utility of Treat Condition is letting you get out of Medic Dedication earlier than most dedications
warped orbit
it is useful to spam out of combat to remove stuff sometimes, but yeah
rustic cape
If playing with Free Archetype, you can do a cool thing where you go:
Level 2: free archetype medic dedication
Level 4: free archetype doctor's visitation, skill feat treat condition, class feat some other dedication
wary yoke
I like Holistic Care enough, honestly, the fact that Free Archetype on Pathbuilder at least doesn't let you take skill feats as part of it was more annoying than helpful, but at least it means that I can take Mauler and enable me to use a nodachi easily
warped orbit
you should be able to
might just be a weird interface thing
warped orbit
If playing with Free Archetype, you can do a cool thing where you go:
Level 2: f...
this is what I did on my Investigator, so I could start Eldritch Archer at 6
wary yoke
Nope, the free archetype slots expressly do not allow for feats with the skill tag
warped orbit
oh that, yeah no that is correct
you still need to take it as a skill feat
rustic cape
But since Holistic Care comes at 6th you can still take it on time.
With the 6th-level skill feat.
surreal basin
God the “archetype skill feats” are so dumb
wary yoke
If they were supplementary I'd be less annoyed
But I was flummoxed when I had to decide on another archetype to take
(Mauler just happened to work out since it let me use my 1E weapon)
I still miss 1E nodachi...
rustic cape
God the “archetype skill feats” are so dumb
Very useful for those of us who want to take Too Many Archetypes, though!
Like with Medic I’m typically here for Doctor’s Visitation and the dedication itself, and then I want to do something different.
So Treat Condition letting me get out early is nice
I wish Acrobat had more skill feats
tribal steeple
SoT update: my anadi is trying so hard to keep the other members on-topic and not committing morally grey-at-best infractions of the social contract that she actively struggles to keep up with whenever the situation calls for fast-talking and lies. she can't follow what the ruse is because she's too busy trying to figure out if she needs to interject on behalf of good morality
when the summoner gets lost in his own jokes and starts to derail into a massive tangent, she is the one who grabs him by the shoulders and says "no no, focus, we're here to do [thing]" and sometimes fireman carry him away from the NPCs he's distressing
wooden orbit
Wonder how the Order of the Torrent is feeling about Abrogail II declaring all Hellknights to be under her command recently.
silver geyser
"The law may be on the books, but good luck enforcing it."
echo briar
I’ve been thinking, I think a lot of PF1 classes would actually be easier to import into SF2 than PF2.
turbid dagger
Battlecry establishes that numerous hellknight orders refused the call to nationalize and Torrent is Certainly One Of Them
echo briar
There’s just a lot more design space without all the PF2 classes
warped orbit
something kinda funny I've been thinking about
if you just took a PF2 melee Fighter or Barbarian, and put them into SF2
I feel like they'd do super well actually
turbid dagger
I can especially see it with Fighter
Sudden Charges past all cover, hits you with an axe
You try to shoot your plasma rifle
He hits you with an axe again
Your melee options are
Uhhhhhh
warped orbit
yeah you just take a classic PF2 reach Fighter with Sudden Charge
wooden orbit
Battlecry establishes that numerous hellknight orders refused the call to nation...
It does say that those that refused also dropped their titles.
Wouldn’t surprise me if the Order of the Torrent just don’t call themselves Hellknights anymore. They’re just the Order of the Torrent.
Would the Godclaw be another that refused? Or would they also join the others gathering under Abrogail?
surreal basin
I was about to be very mean to them
tribal steeple
PF2 melee class just being an unpredicable wildcard that all the gun-toters have no training to deal with.
rustic cape
Soldiers and Operatives do both have melee subclasses, right? And Solarians exist. :P
trail nova
And also a lot of creatures are melee blenders.
wooden orbit
limber comet
So who here wants to make a Knave archetype for guardian :3
limber comet
August 31st
fossil dome
Ah, I really should read Icon
true delta
Hello, Pathfinders.
I am currently going mad. If I want strategy-game style fog of war, does this need to be on or off? And what about Token Vision?
I wish for players to see tiles where they have already been and ideally ones adjascent to tiles where they have been.
tribal steeple
our magus is so damage-prone that the gm has described his combat style as "doing burpees" because of how cyclical his dying -> pickup -> dying -> pickup loop is
wooden orbit
our magus is so damage-prone that the gm has described his combat style as "doin...
Yeah the staff magus in one game I was in had the same cycle.
The first big boss we fought in the Season of Ghosts ||The bloody apron and the demon|| kept dropping him every time we brought him back up.
tribal steeple
This magus in question is a big beefy polearm minotaur, and he VASTLY overestimates his defensive abilities every single time. Meanwhile my limber kineticist is Just A Girl with enough durability to halt a rolling boulder, the juxtaposition is amusing.
silver geyser
Ah, they're getting Worf'd
small meteorBOT
Hey. You want that on.
Kraut (he/him) ↩️
true delta
Thank you!
small meteorBOT
They won't see updates to the tile, but they'll know what was there when they visited.
true delta
Ideal!
carmine oyster
Note that they'll see as far as they have vision, so if you're trying to make it only show immediately adjacent tokens you'll need to mess with those distances
frank crystal
Hmm, I wanna do a fight where a sniper is shooting the PCs from far away
How would y’all do that?
turbid dagger
I'd maybe have them as a hazard during an extended sequence
Like you're navigating a dungeon-style area but have to be wary of sightlines
A reaction whenever a character ends a movement with line of sight to whatever sniper's nest you've settled on
And then when you get closer it can become a proper fight
thorny berry
silly build idea: would it be possible to use a nodachi as a monk weapon somehow, flurry and then readying an attack with brace seems like a cute turn
(can already do it with the long hammer or orc skewermaul but they're less cool)
(tho the long hammer's probably better)
turbid dagger
Doesn't Ready inherit your MAP anyhow?
thorny berry
oh, does it
nvm
'If you have a multiple attack penalty and your readied action is an attack action, your readied attack takes the multiple attack penalty you had at the time you used Ready. This is one of the few times the multiple attack penalty applies when it's not your turn.'
ah, yep, rip
frank crystal
I'd maybe have them as a hazard during an extended sequence
Like you're navigati...
The thing is I don’t really have much else to threaten them besides this one dude
They’re in a city and he’s acting alone
frank crystal
Oh yah chase
turbid dagger
Yeah I was about to rec that myself
Maybe an initial scene where you have to scramble for cover, then a Chase to get after him
frank crystal
Yah; maybe a chase where he gets a bonus if the PCs try and like, fly to him
Half the party can fly by now
Albeit only 1 permanently
Also the guy does have a clandestine cloak and a good stealth skill
Part of the chase could just be finding the guy
Are there rules for like, searching for a target?
In a large area like a city?
wooden orbit
God, I’m almost tempted for the new AP instead of making like a Jotunborn Witchwarper, or Guardian. To instead play a Skittermander Witchwarper. “WHERE AM I?! WHY AM I BLESSED?!”
warped orbit
Mythspeaker yes
strong sonnet
Doesn't Ready inherit your MAP anyhow?
follow-up question: if you Ready to Flurry with a Brace weapon, do the attacks get the Brace bonus damage
this feels like a 'gm will say yes even if it strictly doesn't work' situation to me, tho
I hope
warped orbit
I believe strictly RAW it wouldn't
But it's probably fine, Brace is already super niche anyway
twilit escarp
Sigh
As much as I love my players, one of them making the absolute peak of weird snowflakes kills me inside a bit-
wooden orbit
*Sigh*
As much as I love my players, one of them making the absolute peak of wei...
Do tell
twilit escarp
Just... really weird snowflakes. Like and immortal daughter\oracle of some goddess.
tribal steeple
Player characters are meant to be exceptional in some way, otherwise they wouldn't become level 15+ world shaping heroes, but there still is a degree of appropriateness they should generally follow. The setting exists and deviating too wildly from it is something of a faux pas in any system
twilit escarp
It is doable somehow (I'm a newbie GM so haven't look deep into it), but it's just. So over the top
sturdy lagoon
Tell them to save it for a mythic campaign?
novel merlin
Just... really weird snowflakes. Like and immortal daughter\oracle of some godde...
Did you ever talk to the players about the sorts of characters that they should make for the campaign?
limber comet
I like the related to a deity thing but only if it's like
Tangentially related
Like your great great great great great great great great great etc. granddad/mom/uncle/aunt
Like WAY way back in the family tree
frank crystal
So I’m getting some magic items for my players
And I’ve noticed in the 10-11 range of worn items
There’s like, a magic item that give you a free focus point if you’re a specific class for nearly every class that uses focus points
Immediately I’ve noticed the accolade robe for wizards, living mantle for Druids, mind’s light circlet for psychic
Ive now found several more for every focus point class
wraith snow
There’s like, a magic item that give you a free focus point if you’re a specific...
Some of them are worth using even aside from the focus point, too, albeit not amazing
turbid dagger
SF2e dropping bangers
fossil dome
Based
trim bluff
We fought a devil, devils are fire immune, our primary damage source is fire damage
By the end our fighter was reduced to like 6 strength by a strength draining poison, our paladin was out of spells and on full defense, our fire kineticist was trying to fucking stab the thing with a dagger, and i was shooting blowgun darts because i was out of spells
That one fight took the entire session, we won but it was so stupid