Pathfinder

[craggy thunder]

rogue/summoner

abuse the shit out of your ability to make shit off-guard to you on your own

plus fun partner in crime vibe potential

then again

[rustic cape]

FWIW, I've rarely found that making stuff off-guard is a problem for rogues

[craggy thunder]

why pair summoner with a martial

at all

XD

You know what

Ranger Witch sounds fun too tbh

like conceptually

animal companion bow ranger

hex it up

make your turn hex/sustain, shoot a thing, command animal

substitute shoot a thing and command for casting a big spell sometimes

[rustic cape]

Seems reasonable

[craggy thunder]

hmmm

cleric wizard

or champion wizard

eh, cleric wizard

'sa classic

[craggy thunder]

god limiting myself to two combos per class (one as the 'primary' class one as the 'secondary') for dual classing is leading to some weird choices

But fun ones

Summoner Inventor, for example

Inventor Psychic!

[rustic cape]

Trying that Thaum Monk

Er, trying building it I mean

[rustic cape]

@craggy thunder It occurs to me that Gunslinger Monk w/ Bullet Dancer is almost mandatory

[rustic cape]

... huh

So ... Tome Thaum is crazy

[turbid dagger]

Yesssss
Someone else can See

[clever cobalt]

Uep

I plan to grab it at level 5

[rustic cape]

Like Initiate is Just Okay

But Adept is nuts

And Paragon is even more nuts

Unarmed Thaum with paragon tome and adept regalia seems

You know

Strong

[turbid dagger]

Mhm
And even initiate can go kind of crazy
As you can get those max rank profs in any skill
Going to a city? Get That Specific City Lore
Diverse Lore might make it somewhat redundant but you'll still be getting the massive very appropriate lore bonus on nearly anything with sufficient prep

A fun combo I like to point out is Strategist Stance from Tian Xia

Once per turn, when you succeed or critically succeed at a Recall Knowledge check to gain information about an enemy creature, the target of the Recall Knowledge check becomes off-guard to the next attack made against it by you or an ally in your aura.

[rustic cape]

Nice

[rustic cape]

Question:

The monk's Diamond Fists (18) reads:

Your body hardens as you combine your attacks, making your finishing blows more damaging. Your unarmed attacks gain the forceful and deadly d10 traits. Any that already had one or both of these traits increase their weapon damage dice by one step.

While Golden Body (20) reads:

You perfect your body, refining the flex of every muscle and the bend of every joint to maximum efficiency. Your unarmed Strikes gain the deadly d12 trait, and you have fast healing 20, causing you to regain 20 HP at the start of each of your turns provided you have at least 1 HP.

Would taking both give you deadly d12 and increase the die size by a step, like I think it would? Or would it somehow give you deadly d10 and deadly d12?

[craggy thunder]

eeeehhhh, I went with Monk Cleric and Ranger Monk instead

[turbid dagger]

Hey, does anyone know how to attach firearm parts like scopes and large bore mods in Foundry? It seems to be possible from what I've seen but I have no clue how its done

[craggy thunder]

So the restriction I set for myself for dual class has led to one combo that I think definitely has potential but feels like the odd one out

swashbuckler alchemist

nevermind forgot fighter didn't have a secondary class allocation

huh

dual class kineticist barbarian

There appears to be a specific carveout for it in elemental instinct lmao

If you have any kineticist impulses with the same element type as the one you chose for your instinct, such as ones gained by taking the Kineticist Dedication multiclass feat, they gain the rage trait.

[rustic cape]

Yeah, and there's decent synergy there for a melee kineticist

[clever cobalt]

Especially an Earth Kineticist

[craggy thunder]

man fighter is a bitch to pair in a way that isn't broken as fuck

[clever cobalt]

Yep

It basically enhances any martial

I played a Barbarian/Fighter before

It uh

Was powerful

[echo briar]

the problem is that you can no longer use them in combat

Rage means you must be raging to use them

[craggy thunder]

True but like

meh

s'flavorful and one of the better kineticist options

The other one I did was alchemist/kineticist

Here's the big ass list lmaoAlchemist: Kineticist, Animist: Champion, Barbarian: Exemplar, Bard: Gunslinger, Champion: Oracle, Cleric: Wizard, Druid: Witch, Exemplar: Sorcerer, Fighter: Alchemist, Gunslinger: Inventor, Inventor: Psychic, Investigator: Magus, Kineticist: Barbarian, Magus: Rogue, Monk: Thaumaturge, Oracle: Cleric, Psychic: Investigator, Ranger: Monk, Rogue: Swashbuckler, Sorcerer: Summoner, Summoner: Druid, Swashbuckler: Bard, Thaumaturge: Animist, Witch: Ranger, Wizard: Fighter

magus thaum is using a homebrew hybrid study of mine that's weapon and staff

the staff is also gonna double as regalia

nvm switched them around

Oh fun little quirk I discovered

thaumbuckler works now

extravagant parry gives you a full +2 bonus if you're wielding a weapon with parry, even if your other hand has something else in it that isn't a weapon

[rustic cape]

Hm. Say you have a character with both Inner Upheaval and Bespell Strikes. Since Bespell Strikes is a free action, is it possible to use during Inner Upheaval so that its bonus applies to the attack(s) made as part of the spell? I think probably no, but.

[craggy thunder]

I mean afaik inner upheaval is an attack action you would make after using bespell strikes so I would think no?

[rustic cape]

Yeah, looking at the free action rules again I don't think so

[craggy thunder]

they would work quite well together though, regardless

cast a funky little heal if you're an oracle or divine sorcerer, inner upheaval

burning hands, etc etc

[rustic cape]

Yeah, you can also trigger it off of another focus spell

So like you could close distance with Shrink Span/Qi Rush -> Bespell Strikes -> Inner Upheaval

And oracle has some cute 1st and 2nd level feats for a martial to poach, too

[craggy thunder]

odd idea

starlit span magus

nah wouldn't work I forgot gunslinger has its own metastrikes

Fuck

hm

starlit span

bomber

Oh I very suddenly understand why people like magus/psychic so much

wow

barbarian swash both works and has big ruffian rogue energy that's some funny shit

[thorny berry]

As far as dual classing I kinda want to try an infinite eye or unbound step psychic with any melee non-magus martial.

[craggy thunder]

I think to stop fucking around with what general combinations I'm doing I gotta lock them in by picking subclasses and etc

[frank crystal]

So I may have messed up slightly last session and made what was supposed to be sorta throwaway encounter an almost unwinnable fight they only got by by the skin of their teeth by adding one to many tar zombies

But in better news, at least I’ve established these people as threats

[craggy thunder]

lmao

[frank crystal]

They’re a 6 man level 8 party so I thought “ah yah, 9 level 7s should be reasonable!”

It was not

It was not at all

[solar storm]

That’s a rough one lol

[rustic cape]

I need to share this completely ridiculous thing I spent today working on https://pathbuilder2e.com/launch.html?build=994718

It is using All The Optional Power Boost Rules

The result is Somewhat Comic

Not mythic, I guess

But it is a skeleton that is a dragon that is an orc that runs around with a book and a flag and kicks things in the face, and also it is a weird oracle, and then also it becomes a mortal herald for Reasons

[craggy thunder]

it hurts to look at lmao

[rustic cape]

It makes me upset and today was an exercise in upsetting myself by making it

[craggy thunder]

lmao

[rustic cape]

I did learn a bunch about Thaum and Oracle while making it though

So that was fun

[silver geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/sin-kiske-guilty-gear-guilty-gear-strive-kiske-kyske-gif-27240940

[rustic cape]

I could lean into the powergamer insanity and assume it can have Amnesiac with ideal boosts rather than being a skeleton, but on the other hand it being a skeleton is funny

[craggy thunder]

I...

I hate you lmao

[craggy thunder]

Druid Witch

storm order starless shadow patron

The sound of the trees rattling in the wind at night, scraping on your windows

oooooooooooooo

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

outwit edge ranger & thaumaturge dual class

[thorny berry]

brutal action economy, two actions to fully lock on to a target

[trail nova]

I kind of wish there were like... multiclass feats for between-class compatability. Eg. "Flourish to do two lock on actions"

[craggy thunder]

fair point, but the confluence of strategies makes it a cool and holistic concept

which a lot of dual classing struggles with I feel lmao

It feels very much like an outwit ranger thaumaturge is that one person who's been a road warden for years out in the boonies

dealing with everything from aggressive animals to spirits and etc

maybe joined the adventuring party the locals of one of the villages they watch over hired a couple of times

Another combo I find has interesting mechanical potential while having rly cool vibes is witch (or any divine spellcaster I guess) with vindicator ranger

[turbid dagger]

My GM for Night Of The Grey Death ruled that I could use the melee half of my Gun Sword while in the special grapple from Blast Tackle
The power is overwhelming
Stab And Blasting Grabbed dudes.......
Spinebreaker and Whirling Throw on a Vanguard!

[craggy thunder]

https://pathbuilder2e.com/launch.html?build=995021

Flamekeeper Witch/Vindicator build

using the vindicator's edge and its ability in a dual class divine caster setup to not have to rely on weapons to take a bunch of warden spells and ally buffing feats that you only rly get to sprinkle in other builds

also an ant kholo

who helps lead matanji and other worshippers of the demon bringers on hunts

though this character worships adanye in specific

[turbid dagger]

I found perfect gunsword art for Night of the Grey Death 😌

[craggy thunder]

I have applied to an adaptation of War of the Crown for 2e

[craggy thunder]

That is very cool and also do you have a link to the artist?

[turbid dagger]

https://regal-bones.tumblr.com/post/771380131591782400/got-a-message-from-our-landlord-that-our-rent-is

This is how I learn that theres a gif version too, lovely

[surreal basin]

Man my friend really wants to play an all dwarf party for the dwarf AP and I’m just like….. eeeeeh

[eager mountain]

you really dont have too

[echo briar]

Dwarf is fluid. Play a popet of a dwarven doll, or a really, really fat gnome

[craggy thunder]

While I would endorse the all dwarf plan I think picking a locationally relevant ancestry would be fine

[turbid dagger]

Yeah its neat to do but like, don't try and muscle people into doing it
Let people do what they want

[silver geyser]

But also when will such a wonderful opportunity show itself again? 😛

[errant roost]

steal from the best: play an extraordinarily tall dwarf (human who they found as a baby and raised into the culture)

[silver geyser]

Ah yes: Turnip.

[frank crystal]

Kragnon Blackbeard The Tall

[clever cobalt]

Any good dual class for Sorcerer?

[rustic cape]

Plenty. What sort of role are you interested in?

Really, you could do much worse than just stapling two casters together

Maybe psychic and sorcerer

More high level spells from alternate lists

Some primal bloodline would go well with occult

Or just do magus

Or monk and grab sixth pillar, or--

[thorny berry]

would love to do a dual class sixth pillar honestly

seems pretty uniquely suited to that sort of character

[trim grotto]

the time has come

[surreal basin]

Played Necromancer at level 5 and level 10

Holy SHIT

So fun

It does the endless horde fantasy so incredibly well

Spending a turn just spamming thrall over and over

[thorny berry]

....hm, technically speaking, I think a necromancer (or really any spellcaster that can summon undead) could provide their own fuel for collect spirit remnant for exorcist...?

which seems very silly

but also I really like exorcist's vibe and wish there was more excuse to use it outside of undead-focused campaigns, so

[thorny berry]

though I suppose to be fair 'the exorcist uses powers by.... you know, just kinda hanging on to spirits for a while instead of sending them anywhere' was always a little odd

[true delta]

I'm sorry because I'm sore I've asked before but: Do you reckon tapirs, dinosaurs and other non-humanoids count as members of the following in Quest for the Frozen Flame ?

I've been trying to keep tabs on the size of groups, what with the losses, births and new recruits.

[eager mountain]

Iirc yeah

[true delta]

Thanks!

I'm kinda motivated to name all members soon.

[rustic cape]

QFF is absolutely the perfect adventure path because it lets you adopt everyone and everything

It satisfies a fundamental player urge

[wary yoke]

A member of my group is having a blast with a necromancer playing the Beginner Box

I still have the biggest problem there is basically no interaction with existing undead stuff

He wants to play a necromancer in our upcoming PF2E game, but reworked as a plant summoner

Since the area the campaign takes place in is EXTREMELY anti-undead

And whatever my feelings on how the flavor of the class relates to the crunch, lore-wise it's still a necromancer animating undead

Which would be, uh, Bad

[carmine egret]

Inverting the classic plant/zombie dichotomy

[limber comet]

Summoning my nefarious bok choy

[clever cobalt]

So we got Rival Academies in March, and Shining Kingdoms in May, right?

[light gyro]

strength of thousands book 5 spoilers: ||party frightened some enemies up onto the deck then left them to their own devices. being very mean by throwing my party's sand racers over the edge of the airship. that's 18,500 gp worth of akiton engineering down the drain every round :)))))))||

[limber comet]

Shining Kingdoms is probably closer to June or July honestly

[clever cobalt]

The shopk says May 2025

[limber comet]

I know, but during the stream Luis Loza said it'd probably be closer to June

[frank crystal]

Do you always get 1 HP back when you’re stabilized or is that only in the context of the stamina rules?

[heavy fulcrum]

the latter

if youre dying and at 0 HP, then lose dying, you just stay at 0 HP and unconscious

if youre dying and at 0 HP, then are at 1+ HP, you lose dying and unconscious

[frank crystal]

Ah ok

[rustic cape]

Other than Song of the Deep, Feral Child, and Magical Experiment, are there any backgrounds that grant only one boost?

[eager mountain]

lol the second book of spore war, circa 1989

the book is of course WAY different now

[crystal walrus]

glad they're porting forward this classic.

[eager mountain]

lol

new type of dragon btw

" Cinder dragon "

I presume another primal

of course it fills the gap of a red dragon, mostly about fire

[rustic cape]

Looks kinda 3e red dragon-y too

No complaints there

Love the 3e red dragon

Majestic creature

[eager mountain]

also factions from the upcoming shining kingdoms book

[clever cobalt]

Oh yeah, we're getting Druma lore right?

Finally

[eager mountain]

ye

[clever cobalt]

I would call it the Scientology nation

[eager mountain]

also the final term of the president of andoran

[clever cobalt]

But im pretty sure that's Razmiran

Nice

[eager mountain]

( former grand prince of taldor )

hes been deposed since 1e tho

Kyonin looks like something out of starwars

or final fantasy

[clever cobalt]

The current Queen's dad right

He was uh

[eager mountain]

yeah

[clever cobalt]

A troubled individual

[eager mountain]

I think the architecture still reinforces elves are aliens

[clever cobalt]

I mean they are

They're from Castrovel

[eager mountain]

thats what I mean

( eagle knight archetype )

lol the Grindledrake

ok , so having ran fucking sky kings

they describe what grindle grubs turn into as " ugly large flies "

since grindle grubs are basically livestock

BUT THAT AINT A UGLY FLY

that thing is cute

[errant roost]

maybe if you're a fly it's ugly

[echo briar]

That is not a fly however. It will become a fly, but a cute baby can become an ugly adult

[eager mountain]

except they become this

[echo briar]

What was its teens like?

[eager mountain]

• shrug *

thier big grubs.

so idk '

they might do the butterfly thing

[echo briar]

It could have gone cute-ugly-cute again

[eager mountain]

like truthfully , highhelm doesnt really get into what the life cycle of a grindle grub looks like

other than they turn into big flies

the Grindledrake is a new thing being added as what they look like as an adult, in a new book thats not even out yet

see thats about all the mention of them being " big flies " with stunted wigs

wings *

BUT when asked waht the grindle grub might turn into as a player option, we get the grindle drake

like a year later

[wary yoke]

It sounds like a pokemon evolutionary line

[eager mountain]

Grindle Grub >>>> Grindle Drake

[wary yoke]

First stage is Grub, second stage is Fly, third stage is Dragon

[eager mountain]

Grindle drake is like, a familiar sized bug dragon thing

whos knows they might explain it

[echo briar]

Literally the flygon line

Antlions are basically grubs right?

[errant roost]

it's a split evolution: if they just level up, you get an ugly fly. if you level them up in Highhelm next to a special rock, they turn into drakes

[rustic cape]

Huh, ancestral memories is uh

Pretty strong!

[warped orbit]

what is that again?

[rustic cape]

Imperial Sorcerer Bloodline Power

https://2e.aonprd.com/Spells.aspx?ID=2114

+1 attack or -1 save to next spell

Scales to +2 at 5th rank

+3 at 8th rank

Initial bloodline focus spell

[warped orbit]

oh that one

yeah it's really powerful

makes a pretty good argument for Imperial Sorc to be one of the better arcane casters now

[surreal basin]

Yeah it’s crazy good

Had an imperial sorc in the party recently and it was killer

[clever cobalt]

I wonder how Taldor will be presented in 2e

Given the upcoming LO book with Taldor in it

[surreal basin]

Their other focus bloodline spell was incredible

[warped orbit]

really wish Wizards actually got some good focus spells

[clever cobalt]

How does the Sorcerer Play in 2e anyways

[rustic cape]

I feel like part of the problem with wizards is conceptual

The schools are very prosaic "this is where I went to uni" type dealies

And the school benefits end up reflecting that

But like

You're a wizard

Your college should be something weird and high-handed

[warped orbit]

you are [tradition] caster, with four slots and some focus spells of varying quality depending on Bloodline

that's mostly it

[rustic cape]

Something that makes fundamental statements about the nature of reality

[rustic cape]

You also get variably notable bonuses with bloodline spells

Quite potent, in some cases

[warped orbit]

I think the idea is your thesis does that to an extent

[rustic cape]

I get that but like

[warped orbit]

but the theses are also somewhat understated in effect I feel

[rustic cape]

Yeah

And I feel like a school of wizards should not be, you know, "I studied civil engineering"

It should be "I studied cosmic civil engineering, rebuilding the very nature of reality for its people"

You should be building fuckin ... astral highways

Weird shit

[clever cobalt]

Wizards do seem kind like

The Generic Spellcaster

[silver geyser]

I can assure you that wizards in civil engineering are bonkers

[clever cobalt]

I do wonder how they'd make them more interesting mechanically though

Then again

The Fighter is pretty basic but nonetheless kicks ass and is really fun to play

[rustic cape]

And the focus spells should reflect that kind of weird nonsense

4reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeety66666666ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

[trail nova]

I think that if this is one of the schools playing off weirder ones, that could be very cool

But I'm a sucker for practical magic

Tamora Pierce's Circle of Magic series was a formative book for me, thank you for asking

[warped orbit]

my wishes for Wizards are mostly just expanding the curriculums and/or making them trait based or similar, and better focus spells for schools

[surreal basin]

Sorcerer plays generally like a caster with the ability to really throw their weight around with 4 spell slots AND focus points AND subclass spells

Beyond that it really depends on your bloodline

Sorcerer’s mission statement as a class is to enable the bloodlines to feel special and unique imo

[clever cobalt]

Nice

[rustic cape]

I read 3/4 of those books!

Sorcerer doesn't have a ton of intrinsic mechanical identity but it's sort of just

"Really good at magic"

That's its thing

Usually in some specialized way

But it's just out there popping off really strong stuff

[surreal basin]

Yeah

Like I said I think the mechanical identity comes in bloodlines

[rustic cape]

Yeah there's specialization in exactly what kind of magic it's really good at

[surreal basin]

Phoenix sorcerer does extra damage AND extra healing, so they’re all about dishing out healing and damage in equal parts

Yeah

Etc

[rustic cape]

Rejuvenating Flames is pretty rad

Not amazing damage or healing, but

Party-friendly AoE damage that also heals allies

Is good shit

[surreal basin]

Yeah

As someone who played Phoenix sorc I

Wish it was a little bigger!

[warped orbit]

they did also make the healing/damage boost baseline for all Sorcs

which is also pretty good

[surreal basin]

oh i mean sure but it's the pheonix sorc's bloodline magic

[rustic cape]

Aye, phoenix, elemental, and ... I think undead?

Can all add bonus damage equal to spell rank as a bloodline thing

[trim grotto]

Friend of mine really really wants to find a pathfinder game so he can play it. I keep hearing it's crazy

[echo briar]

What is the AP after spore war?

[clever cobalt]

I forget the name but it's set in Arcadia and its main antagonist are Vampires

[limber comet]

Nope

It's set in Shattered Azlant, and focuses on the three vampiric gods

Camazotz, Zura, and Nin

[craggy thunder]

My solarian in the sf game can now fully convert her attacks to fire damage 😌

And also her solar weapon is now 2d6

[silver geyser]

It's set in Azlant?! Let's goooooooo

[clever cobalt]

Close enough :v

Also question for those that have Spore Wars

||does Spore Wars end in the death of Treerazer?||

[echo briar]

If it does, then they’re out of non mythic, evil level 25 creatures

[clever cobalt]

Grim Reaper

Aka Greater Death

[echo briar]

Not level 25

At least not on nethys

[clever cobalt]

oh huh

well

we do have the Armageddon Engine

https://2e.aonprd.com/Monsters.aspx?ID=490

Assuming it isn't retconned out

[echo briar]

I think that was killed in the remaster

To bring it back, they would have to change so extensively that its basically a new monster

[surreal basin]

I mean level 25 boss monsters would likely be unique to the campaign anyway

So I don’t think it’s a huge deal if he bites it

There’s only ever been 3 level 25 monsters to begin with so o don’t think it’s a desperately important niche

[eager mountain]

Retconned

We have the other spawn of Rovagug tho

Like ulunat

The big ass beetle currently laying comatose, but not dead in sothis

Oh nvm it’s dead as fuck

Nethys hit it full force

[clever cobalt]

I was gonna say

Building a city around a Spawn of Rovugug is certainly an idea

[silver geyser]

Ulunat: "My shell can reflect all magic! This world shall die!!!!!"
Nethys: "B e t."

[frank crystal]

Nethys: “just sounds to me like no one has used enough magic yet”

[stuck bane]

Wait this thing was hit with direct divine intervention?

[silver geyser]

Oh no even better.

This was hit by Nethys before Godhood.

[frank crystal]

Oh shit

So back when he was just a normal wizard?

Well

“Normal”

[stuck bane]

Ohhh this is past stuff

[silver geyser]

Yep

[frank crystal]

Goddamn

How’d he do that when this monster was supposed to be immune to magic?

[silver geyser]

Not immune, reflective of magic. 😛

[frank crystal]

So was it literally “just use more lol”?

[silver geyser]

Yep!

To quote MHA: "You don't have nullification, which means there's an upper limit! Let's find it"

[trail nova]

Given that an optimized 3.5 Wizard has about a novel length list of ways to get around any sort of “magic doesn’t work” I’m not suprised

[plucky snow]

There is always an amount of force against which no defense is effective

[silver geyser]

But yeah, I would like to point out he didn't destroy the shell

But that shell is empty now.

[rustic cape]

Same logic by which you cannot reflect a giant freaking laser beam with a normal silver-backed mirror

It's just gonna melt right through

[silver geyser]

Precisely

[steel blade]

ackshually 🤓 it was Azghaad, the guy who eventually founded Osirion, that channeled the full power of Nethys to kill Ulunat

this was before Nethys ascended though

going off the pf wiki at least

[wooden orbit]

https://paizo.com/products/btq098ek/discuss?Pathfinder-Adventure-Path-216-The-Acropolis-Pyre#tabs

[surreal basin]

Fucking Katanagatari ass moment

[eager mountain]

its described as being " once it wakes up again, we shall be the world's first line of defense "

becuase spawn of rovagug dont die

[clever cobalt]

fair

Well they can die

but it requires specific setups and situations

[surreal basin]

Also I hope they follow up myth speakers with an 11-20

[clever cobalt]

has the first Myth Seekers book hit the Store?

[eager mountain]

yeah fey friend posted it above

[clever cobalt]

neat, thanks

[eager mountain]

theyve mentioned they are going to do a higher level mythic after it

myth speaker is for low tier mythic , the next one is for high tier

[surreal basin]

That’s nice

[eager mountain]

since low tier mythic is about your destiny and stuff

then high tier is realizing that destiny

[wooden orbit]

Fantasy Greek time! FANTASY GREEK TIME!

[stuck bane]

Wait are mythic rules actually out? I was looking for em just the other day and my search only turned up threads talking about potential playtests

[warped orbit]

they are out, yeah

[surreal basin]

Yeah they’re in WOI

So not on Nethys yet

They’re very good

Literally my only complaint is the replacing hero points thing being not to my liking

[echo briar]

Why do you think they decided to remaster gatewalkers of all things?

Isn’t that generally the worst AP they have released? How much can the remaster fix?

[surreal basin]

Bwuh they’re remastering gatewalkers?

Also no I still think frozen flame might be worse lol

Or age of ashes for just being broken

[echo briar]

I’ve played frozen flame, it was good.

Not incredible, but solid 7/10

[surreal basin]

I think gatewalkers also isn’t the worst having played

Like…. Maybe a 6/10, it’s got a lot of flaws but also a lot of cool stuff

And honestly it’s still above the worst of the 1e adventures

Which is to say, no part of it is nonfunctional

[turbid dagger]

Pretty much every time I've heard gatewalkers talked about it was 'wow this AP seems vaguely half baked' so
A second crack may be for the best

[surreal basin]

Oh I mean it isn’t great

It is the most half baked one of played for sure

[warped orbit]

Gatewalkers I feel suffers from being 1-10

[surreal basin]

Oh for sure

[warped orbit]

And a few other things

[surreal basin]

Absolutely

It should have been like 5-15 at lowest

[trim grotto]

Is there any feature or magic items that lets you throw a dagger and then teleport to it

[surreal basin]

Yes

….. oh okay the blink daggger doesn’t do that

[surreal basin]

Oh wow they’re changing one of the worst parts of it mechanically

The ||three month ice march is getting changed into a hybrid infiltration point system||

[warped orbit]

interesting

[clever cobalt]

that's for the best

[clever cobalt]

How is Spore Wars so far anyways?

[crystal walrus]

So when trying to make a magic item in PF2e as a GM, anything to keep in mind?

[frank crystal]

Ok so

My players may be walking into a death trap

Like

Knowing it’s a death trap

[frank crystal]

Hmm, I’m really wondering how to do this

Because I can’t include all the enemies I showed in the fight

It won’t just be a death trap but it’d be an extremely unfun death trap

Maybe I just got for the capture method?

but that feels kinda lame too

[turbid dagger]

You could have the enemies strike and capture them imo
It might be fun to have a jailbreak

[frank crystal]

that kinda feels like a copout though...

It was set up as a like, much more deadly

[vocal ember]

It might be a good idea to ask them what they are trying to do here

[thorny berry]

That sounds like a 'let the dice fall where they may' situation tbh

[frank crystal]

Essentially, a desperate gambit to stop the villain’s plans before they happen

Atm they’re very much set in motion

But they think if they kill then right here and now, they may be able to stop them before they happen

[frank crystal]

Also maybe

I think at the very least I’ll remove the level 13 enemy I put in there as a reminder that he’s a threat (they ran into him early in the campaign and he bodied them)

They’re only level 8

They took a rest, it’s easy to say that he left during it

With that the main threats are a level 10 false king and a level 9 mummy lord

Along with a dungeon’s worth of undead

With that, this will be an extremely difficult but doable encounter I think

And still feel pretty insurmountable

Assuming I actually stretch this out anyway

Like they’re at the start of the cave and have to fight their way to the end

In fact, I may wanna like, throw in some shitty undead with the tar zombie abilities

Just to like, pad out the numbers

[true delta]

Greetings, pathfinders! Foundry question: How do I make a +1 Striking Spear? I can find a spear and I can find the runes. How do I Lego-stack them together? How to gattai?

[surreal basin]

You don’t use the rune item - in the details section of the spear there’s a couple drop down menus you can fuck with

[true delta]

Thank you!

ANother question: Can I set NPCs' attitude somewhere? Apologies if I've just been missing an obvious button.

[surreal basin]

No there’s no place for that

[rustic cape]

Thinking about it, Fuse Stance is way better if one of the two stances is not from monk

[warped orbit]

It is, yeah

[rustic cape]

... hm, peafowl stance's power-up feat lets you step twice and strike with a single action.

I may have another deeply stupid dual class build idea

[true delta]

Are there some Foundry add-ons y'all consider indispensible?

[solar storm]

zoom/pan options

If you use a Wand of Widening with a spell which makes multiple areas of effect does it effect all of them?

[solar storm]

Oh for Pathfinder in particular I really like PF2e Pathfinder UI

And Modifiers Matter

Polyglot is fun

Companion Compendia is conditionally super useful

[stuck bane]

Being an inventor with a construct companion would be a much bigger pain without companion compendia

[frank crystal]

Summoner feels unplayable without the companion compendia tbh

[warped orbit]

Definitely get that companion module

If anyone has a minion

[rustic cape]

The standard PF2e UI mod is genuinely incredible

Makes the game so much more playable

Especially for casters, tbh

[turbid dagger]

Mobile Shot + Monastic Archer is a fun one
Or Point Blank + MA if you want to longbow

[rustic cape]

... Spirit Warrior is pretty good, huh?

[frank crystal]

What does it change?

[warped orbit]

it is, yeah

[rustic cape]

It gives you a really good spell selection UI

Like, this is 2/3 of my (heavily multiclassed) animist's spell list

You can understand how this might be easier than using the default interface

Aside: has Peafowl Stance been entirely deprecated? I notice it's not on Pathbuilder

[warped orbit]

do you have legacy content turned on?

it might not have gotten reprinted yet

[rustic cape]

Ah, yeah, that did it

Thanks

[frank crystal]

oh thats really nice

[surreal basin]

Yeah also you can see every skill action on the hud

Without having to add all of them to your sheet

[rustic cape]

My GM's brought us through a couple of UIs and this is by far the best

[rustic cape]

https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=5674 BWAHAHAHA I found a substitute for Swift Leap that doesn't require you to be a ghoul

Not as good but

[turbid dagger]

It does say Vertical leap specifically, which might be a problem

[rustic cape]

It reduces horizontal distance to 5 feet, equal to a step, but that's easier to optimize up than step speed is

Vertical leaps are 3 feet vertical, 5 feet horizontal

[true delta]

Are you talking about "PF2e Pathfinder Ui v3" ?
Because the sells look the same as usual to me.

[solar storm]

Dorako UI is also good

[rustic cape]

Maybe I'm thinking of PF2e UX?

Lemme look

[surreal basin]

No it’s PF2e hud

[rustic cape]

Yep, just asked

@true delta PF2e HUD

[true delta]

Thank y'all, netizens

[frank crystal]

Hmm, any fun demons for a level 1 party to fight?

[heavy fulcrum]

i think quasits are the only level 1 demon

dretches/pusks are level 2

they have a self-slow effect and no real significant abilities so they could work

[frank crystal]

Alright

Hmm, could also go with a cacodaemon

I know demons and daemons are technically different in the game but they’re similar enough I think

[surreal basin]

Yeah

I use them interchangeably in my setting personally lol

[frank crystal]

Tbh I generally use any fiends as demons in mine

Just because devils are very distinct rare (and not really evil) entities

Though I also use fiend for specifically “a creature infected by hell” rather then demons which are creatures born of it

[eager mountain]

I mostly prefer Doraku

( my usual settings )

[true delta]

Is a +1 Striking Spear a Spear with a +1 Weapon Potency Rune and a Weapon Striking Rune ?

Wait

I was confused.

The item I'm supposed to use is simplyc a +1 spear

[rustic cape]

I think we use that as well

[true delta]

Meaning it only has the weapon potency rune, right?

[rustic cape]

Yes

Potency comes first, then striking, then potency again, etc

[true delta]

Thank you

[light gyro]

any build advice for a character that swaps between a 'big damage' weapon and a 'lots of options (i.e. grab, disarm)' weapon? im guessing the best is just something like a two-hand (e.g. bastard sword)

[rustic cape]

Exemplar can do some wild weapon swapping fwiw

Even just a dip through the multiclass will get it for you

[warped orbit]

Best option here is probably just a free hand build

With a bastard sword or a falcata

[turbid dagger]

An idea I've had for a while is a Fighter that specs into the Knife weapon group
Get lightning swap and you can easily swap between a Kusarigama (d8 s/b, reach, two handed, trip and disarm) and a pair of d6 knives, like a kukri and scizore
So when you need to disable or manage space you switch to Kusarigama and use Knockdown or somesuch, and when you just need to do damage you bust out the twin knives and start double slicing

[echo briar]

What AP do you think would be best to speed run? Every player has access to the book and full license to metagame.

[solar storm]

Abomination Vaults would be interesting I think

Since it'd be about path-optimizing

[echo briar]

I also think you could do abomination vaults without leaving turn order.

[solar storm]

Probably yeah

[frank crystal]

Abomination vaults is like, the big sewer dungeon right?

[solar storm]

It's not a sewer but yeah its a big dungeon

[frank crystal]

Ah

[rustic cape]

Not sewer

But it is a megadungeon

It's more-or-less Diablo 1 as PF2e

Nice little town, big fuckin' dungeon full of evil in a ruin nearby

[upbeat ridge]

That’s a good way to describe it tbh

[crystal walrus]

... makes me wanna run abom vaults

[rustic cape]

It was fun from what little I played of it

We were starting Floor 3 when the group fell apart

The only thing is I might make the Mites on the first floor less of a default combat problem and give them more of an opportunity to resolve socially

There’s an opening moment when a few of them attack the party as they enter the keep, and it would be deeply funny to do like a “two idiot guards” thing instead

And just have the mites be a possibly reoccurring presence on the first floor who can be friendly with the PCs

[limber comet]

Helloooo

I got invited to play a pf2e conversion of Rime of the Frostmaiden

The gm wants me to play an Exemplar (we were yapping to each other about it when it first dropped)

And I am Considering it

My current thoughts are Champion, Exemplar, and Monk

[fossil dome]

Exeplar is oodles of fun

[limber comet]

The gm is literally nudging me to play Exemplar and god am I tempted

I'd be a descendant of their setting's version of Solomon

[fossil dome]

Ok, sold

Do it

[frank crystal]

So like, what’s necromancer’s weapon proficiencies look like?

I haven’t read it yet

But I know it’s some kinda caster

[rustic cape]

It's a caster

It has caster weapon proficiency

[frank crystal]

Ah ok

[rustic cape]

It has one of those "this is meant for martials multiclassing in" feats

But it's very much a caster

[frank crystal]

Alright

[steel blade]

level 2 feat to get prof with greatsword, scythe, and all axes, treating martial as simple and advanced as martial

[turbid dagger]

There's also a feat that lets you spend thralls on a special strike but I forget the deets

[frank crystal]

Does your proficiency progression get on martial level or will you still be a couple steps behind?

[turbid dagger]

It's a full caster, and has the prof you would expect

[frank crystal]

Ah ok

So a bit worse then that seems

[rustic cape]

https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=2650 This seems pretty good

[warped orbit]

Flurry Ranger, goooo

[surreal basin]

Wow yeah

Or double slice fighter

[echo briar]

It’s good, but it feels like most classes that would want this would use AoO the very next level

[surreal basin]

Yeah but they’re different use cases

And this could easily do more damage then one RS

[rustic cape]

I think the big thing is that this is most likely to trigger when you need it most

The enemies who are most likely to get crits on you are big guys with lots of health

They may not trigger reactive strikes, but they will probably crit you

So if you can do a big salvo in return, nice

And then, you know, you've got Reactive Strike for every other round :D

[light gyro]

Strix vengeance sounds like the title of a PS3 game that sold twenty copies

[rustic cape]

Oh, can someone with the new Tian Xia Character Guide do me a solid and look up the kobold feat "kaiju's footfalls"?

Pathbuilder lists it as requiring mightyfall kobold heritage, and AoN does not

I give 95% odds that pathbuilder is correct

But if anyone can check, I'd be greatful

[clever cobalt]

Gimme a moment

[warped orbit]

oh that works with Leap too

that's funny

[rustic cape]

Yeah

I'm playing around with Even More Leap Optimization

[rustic cape]

Danke

[clever cobalt]

Np

[rustic cape]

It's kind of an oddly written feat given that innate spells heighten automatically if their rank isn't specified, no?

[echo briar]

https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6y3xn?The-Rival-Academies#discuss

Magaambya wizard school and water based hybrid study

[clever cobalt]

Nice

[crystal walrus]

Sentient Magic items having their own action count is so funny.

[warped orbit]

they don't

innate spells are always cast at their base level, unless specified otherwise

[echo briar]

cantrips auto scale, but not sloted spells

[rustic cape]

Right, I must have misread

[echo briar]

is there a good foundry module for animists?

[rustic cape]

The basic animist implementation lacks automation, but it does work

[turbid dagger]

Every once in a while I think about how Rangers have 10 HP per level
And go 'huh'
No real disapproval
Just
Huh.......

[warped orbit]

same as Fighters

[fossil dome]

Yeah, Rangers are beefy

[rustic cape]

And monks!

[turbid dagger]

Oh yeah, I'm well aware
Fighters, exemplars, champs, monks and rangers are the 10 hp dudes
But out of those Ranger sort of feels like one of the flimsier martials like Rogue

[rustic cape]

Well, of those it has the least defensive stuff as part of its baseline package

[turbid dagger]

You don't really think of a tank ranger but you can do it

[rustic cape]

Fighter gets heavy armor, monk gets legendary AC proficiency, champion gets both, exemplar gets its own weird stuff

[fossil dome]

I would say Kineticist is also a 10er

Like, yes it's technically an 8, but also like pumping CON

[rustic cape]

Ranger ... has medium armor with standard martial scaling

Which is fine!

It won't be a problem

[fossil dome]

Except if you go Flurry

[warped orbit]

I mean, it's fine
you have "normal" AC

[rustic cape]

Yeah

You're the defensively weakest of the 10hp martials

But you're still fine

[warped orbit]

you go +1 Dex for a breastplate, if you are otherwise Str, and you're good

[rustic cape]

And since ranger doesn't have secondary stat demands it can comfortably load up on Con and Wis

[rustic cape]

Say you're a high-level animist who reliably has 4 sustains a round. You'd probably want 3 of those sustains to go to vessel spells. What spell do you cast to sustain in the 4th spot?

[frank crystal]

I wanna make an awakened animal dog with swarmkeeper

And make them just a dog with fleas

[limber comet]

Aw yea

Exemplar locked in

[surreal basin]

Looks like I’m gonna be running season of ghosts soon!

Any tips from anyone who’s played in it or run it?

[turbid dagger]

Just starting with the obvious- tell players to stay ten million miles from anything that could have even a whiff of a spoiler
The wiki entry for willowshore is particularly insidious because entries like that usually don't have AP spoilers
Other than that uhhh
Be prepared to give peeps a nudge here and there in the early bits- as a player in an aborted game of Season Of Ghosts we spent a lot of time kind of Putzing Around looking for people in town

[rustic cape]

huuuuuuh for some reason I had never quite put together that what human is really good for is loading up on general and skill feats

[fossil dome]

Mhm

Jack of all trades, master of a considerable sight more than he really should be

[warped orbit]

Getting a second level 1 class feat can also be very useful for certain classes

[rustic cape]

Yep

I was just finishing up a build, and there weren't a lot of ancestry feats I wanted

"I wish I had more skill feats"

"Wait fuck I do"

[fossil dome]

Mhm

Ancestral Paragon Human is cracked for this reason

[rustic cape]

For some reason I had never put this together

[fossil dome]

Ooof

Oh. Oh, dear. Human Mastermind Rogue

So. Many. Skills

[warped orbit]

Not that Rogue and Investigator even need the help 😛

I think my Investigator is trained in every skill except like three

[rustic cape]

Yeah I think it'd be a bigger deal for classes that don't get enough skill feats

[true delta]

Foundry question: Our rogue has learned the Animate Object ritual. Can I add that to their sheet on Foundry? (I have made sure to make shit up to enable her to actually cast it on occasion.)

[echo briar]

on the pf2 discord, the writer of the first book is active and tends to answer a lot of questions

I just had a conversation with her last night about why theres so many random encounters and why most are trivial (its mostly for xp leveling, you should change them for milestone)

[turbid dagger]

😭

[true delta]

I've finally installed the PDF to Foundry Importer... Oh my god, it's so good.

[light gyro]

it might be over folks

[surreal basin]

Oof

[frank crystal]

Oh no

[rustic cape]

Ooooof

[fossil dome]

Ow

[rustic cape]

I take it Will is their strong save?

[light gyro]

does see invisibility counter disappearance?

and yeag, they're not called mageslayers for nothing

[fossil dome]

Ok, new plan

Fireball

[rustic cape]

Gotta always bring alternatives

[light gyro]

they're getting really cooked. in my defence they've been standing in anti-spell auras casting spells instead of killing the guys emitting an anti-spell aura.

[rustic cape]

That which does not kill you has made a tactical error

[light gyro]

IT MIGHT NOT BE OVER

BY ZERO

[surreal basin]

Wh

What

[light gyro]

they have Resolve

[surreal basin]

Ahh

Yeah Jesus

That’s a skate by

Cause failing nevermind is

NASTY

I assume you’re all casters based on the AP I know this combat is from

[light gyro]

bard, magus, wizard, and an alchemist

the alchemist is a walking catastrophe that eats anything without fire resistance and most things with fire resistance

[surreal basin]

Which one is Vel

[light gyro]

a magus

[surreal basin]

….. okay so stupefied would have sucked but not the worst person

[vital kiln]

I require assistance

Can y'all help like

Talk me out of wanting Reinforced Chassis on an automaton

I KNOW it's objectively worse than Arcane Eye and that I really should go for that instead but my brain keeps going "yeah but your character is a suit of living armor, the fuck do you mean he wouldn't already have integrated armor??"

[upbeat ridge]

Pick what is more fitting for the character

[vital kiln]

...eh, yeah

I think I'm overthinking this way too hard

[upbeat ridge]

The enhancement is kinda nice actually

I gaurentee you it will come in clutch at least once or twice

[vital kiln]

Yeah true

Saves me some money to start too

...though idk what I'd spend that 8 gold on

[fossil dome]

Also, "cannot be disarmed" is incredibly useful

[vital kiln]

And Comfort

Don't need to doff my armor when I go to sleep because I AM the armor

...also like

I'm playing a magus

I can literally just cast Light

[light gyro]

ok!!!! party survived the mage blender. final boss of book 5 next week

i already have my turn one time stop pre-gamed.

[vital kiln]

WOOHOO

What if they counter the time stop somehow

[light gyro]

They won't, they haven't invested in counterspell

[vital kiln]

Excellent

[frank crystal]

So is there much of a way to like, improve specific magic weapons past their base stats?

Because I wanna use one for a build but I’m not sure what to do once I out scale it

[fossil dome]

Runes runes runes

Same way you jazz up a regular sword

[frank crystal]

I thought you couldn’t swap the runes of a specific magic weapon though?

[fossil dome]

Oh?

[frank crystal]

That was my understanding of the system

[fossil dome]

I thought you could freely upgrade the potency and... forgot the name but to hit runes, by paying the difference

[vital kiln]

I don't recall there being any rules of "you can's use runes on specific magic weapons"

Yeah looking at the AoN page, there's nothing that says that specific weapons can't use runes

[vocal ember]

You can upgrade the fundamental runes but you can't add property runes

[vital kiln]

...hm

I have

12 gold left to spend at character creation

What should I buy

[frank crystal]

oh great

[fossil dome]

What class?

[vital kiln]

Magus

I'm an automaton as well

[fossil dome]

You only spent 3 on a weapon?

[vital kiln]

Why I have so much gold, I took Integrated Armor

Yeah, bought a naginata

[fossil dome]

Nice

Buckler is nice

Flavour stuff

Many healing potions

[vital kiln]

Can I even use a buckler with a two handed weapon?

[fossil dome]

Not at the same time, but you do not need to draw it

[vital kiln]

Hm

[fossil dome]

Possibly a scimitar or something

As an uber tank backup

[vital kiln]

Would I still get the +1 AC from it?

[fossil dome]

+2, innit?

[vital kiln]

No it'd just be +1

[fossil dome]

Oh?

[vital kiln]

https://2e.aonprd.com/Shields.aspx?ID=17

[fossil dome]

Ah, right

I mean, it's written there

Yes, if the hand, and an Action is free

[vital kiln]

Eh, it'd be largely useless to me

Still, what else am I gonna buy

[fossil dome]

Idk

Camping gear?

[vital kiln]

Maybe

[vocal ember]

talisman or two maybe?

[fossil dome]

Could just hold onto it, for seeing what you might need with campaign vibe

As a resident Gunslinger Enthusiast, i rarely have the
Is problem, lol

Ammo ain't cheap

And 478 charges on gunpowder is useful in other places as well

[vital kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/house-explosion-explode-boom-kaboom-gif-19506150

[fossil dome]

Exactly

[rustic cape]

You know what’s funny

Amphisbaena handwraps are funny

Straight upgrade to unarmed fighters

[vital kiln]

Good god that IS good

[clever cobalt]

Neat

[rustic cape]

They’re just Handwraps But Better

Since you can give them property runes like normal

[turbid dagger]

If you have low light vision, a candlecap

[frank crystal]

Oh yah they’re just handwraps of mighty blows but now you get unarmed double slice with extra poison damage

[vital kiln]

Oh shit that's a good one

And I could maybe flavor it as him just sticking a candle or something inside of his helmet

[rustic cape]

Notably this does have manipulate

[frank crystal]

I mean thats still super good vs anything without AOO

[rustic cape]

Yeah, 1/fight double slice with unarmed is nice

[echo briar]

A changeling wants a potion that can disguise their hag eye for a day. How much should it cost

I’m thinking 1 silver a day. Keep it meaningful at level 1, but pretty irrelevant after that

[rustic cape]

Certainly no more than a standard potion of illusory disguise, and probably much less

… are potions of that even a thing?

It’s late, I am in the Liminal Brain Zone

[echo briar]

Yea, and it’s 30gp for 2d12 hours

[rustic cape]

Yeah I think a silver piece is fine

[echo briar]

Also why is it 2d12 hours? If it was secret I could see it adding tension, but it isn’t.

[rustic cape]

Habit, most likely

[echo briar]

It’s also uncommon, and from PC2

[rustic cape]

There’s still a certain amount of weird old legacy junk in PF2e

About 20% of it is charming

[surreal basin]

I always forget that I run scrolls different than the base game lol

[turbid dagger]

Or magic headlights or somesuch

[vital kiln]

Aye

[craggy thunder]

forgive me for possibly being flippant or overly obvious, but

Why not an eyepatch?

[echo briar]

It’s what the player wants

[craggy thunder]

I mean I can't really argue with that but I think they're overcomplicating this

[errant roost]

I dunno, I think it's fun. eyepatches are a strong aesthetic, and might not fit their image of the character. and "I have to make this potion every day or else my Dark Secret will come out" is kind of a fantasy classic, even if it's for something silly

[frank crystal]

Also it could just be that eyepatches can be removed easily and they’re paranoid of it being revealed

[errant roost]

true! there's also the possibility that they're just trying to permanently patch a weakness, which is less juicy but pretty common

[echo briar]

Actually it's because I think it will be way more dramatic when she loses access to the alchemist.

She originally wanted a magic amulet

[frank crystal]

Ah

[errant roost]

True and good

[trim grotto]

So I get the fantasy of Exemplars but how should they be played. What's their role in combat

[solar storm]

It's kinda variable based on what Ikons you choose

I think the default is a vaguely ally buffing skirmisher damage dealer

[trim grotto]

Okay so kinda what I imagined neat

Any tips? I'm kinda bad at combat admittedly so I'd like to learn all I can about the class

[echo briar]

You will want at least one weapon ikon

[trim grotto]

I figure

[solar storm]

I think its tricky to do in general since the ways you can build are fairly variable

It's good to think about your transcendance loops with how you move them around

Exemplar is not usually gonna be super tough so be a little cautious with your positioning

[trim grotto]

I see

[echo briar]

You want 2 transcendences that work in literally every combat

Victors wreath and moral harvest are both very good, but if you have both you’re kinda screwed of you’re fighting a solo boss without long term effects

[trim grotto]

Oh yeah that makes sense

[clever cobalt]

I rock uh

Gleaming Blade and Scar of the Survivor as my two combat transcendences

and Pelt of the Beast as my third

on the Mythic Exemplar I'm playing

[trim grotto]

I think I wanna do exemplar with the kineticist dedication (playing with free archetype). How could I build that effectively

[echo briar]

I’m planning on doing barrows edge, scar, and victor’s wreath, but I’m afraid that both the wreath and the scar are technically situational

Not having lost hp on round 2 is not unheard of

[turbid dagger]

Note- feats that grant transcends can also help a great deal
For example as noted Mortal Harvest is only useful against multiple enemies by default but you can take Blinding Of The Needle for a potent single target transcend on it

[frank crystal]

For force darts and dangerous sorcerery, do you add the bonus damage to every dart?

[vital kiln]

Believe so, yeah

Would be silly to only add it to one

[frank crystal]

Cool

[turbid dagger]

Woah there
No you add it to the total
Lemme find the relevant text

If you shoot more than one shard at the same target, combine the damage before applying bonuses or penalties to damage, resistances, weaknesses, and so forth.

So Dangerous Sorcery would proc once for each specific target, but it would not proc dozens of times from someone blasting them all at one dude

That would make it way too strong

[frank crystal]

Ahhh fair yah

[vital kiln]

Oh yeah, that IS fair

Assuming the free archetype rule is in play, what archetype would y'all recommend for a drifter gunslinger

I'm thinking maybe Rogue for Reactive Dodge

[turbid dagger]

Pistol Phenom has a surprising amount of melee range stuff, for one

[vital kiln]

I'm an Android though

My CHA is dogwater

Wish I could go Swashbuckler but the same issue arises there

Wish Double Slice could apply to a melee and a ranged weapon

[vital kiln]

...

Stupid idea

Would a Barbarian dedication be decent on a Drifter

[trim grotto]

Does shadow sheath work with bombs

[warped orbit]

RAW I believe yes

[rustic cape]

Yes

Bombs are thrown weapons, which means they'll work with shadow sheath and, perhaps hilariously, they'll work with raging thrower

These two facts can be combined :D

Interestingly alchemist itself doesn't get a ton out of shadow sheath bombs since they'll want to use versatile vials a lot more for admixture feats

But if you just want to stick an alchemist's fire in there as your mainstay it's still pretty solid

[turbid dagger]

Its almost certainly not RAI
The 'limited use abilities' clause arguably cuts it off RAW but the wording is bad

Shadow Sheath isn't supposed to let you produce unlimited copies of limited use things

[rustic cape]

I think if a bomb that you bought with GP is a limited use ability, so is a dagger

I also think it's not actually all that crazy

Bombs are within normal parameters for damage

[warped orbit]

That's mostly my thought

[novel merlin]

I don't know if you can put an ikon on a consumable

That might also be the limiting factor

[surreal basin]

Bombs are described in their rules text as consumables, while other thrown weapons are explicitly not

I definitely don’t think it makes a bomb infinite use personally

[rustic cape]

I don't really see why it shouldn't tbh

[turbid dagger]

For me its like
If you are going to let bombs be used infinitely via shadow sheath, why actually restrict the ikon from making copy talismans
They're both consumables, they're both priced the same

[rustic cape]

Talismans add effects to attacks, bombs are attacks

I think the RAW is pretty clear and I don't really see any case for ruling otherwise. YMMV.

[trim grotto]

Could someone explain how animist works I don't get it

[warped orbit]

you have prepared Divine slots, and then also a special repertoire of spontaneous spells based on your apparitions

[turbid dagger]

The basic skinny is-
You are a Prepared Divine spellcaster, like Cleric
But you have a smaller, separate pool of spells you cast spontaneously like a Sorceror
What spells you can cast from these slots are decided by the Apparitions you have, little incorporeal buddies vibing with you from the spirit realm
You have multiple Apparitions, and you can swap what Apparitions you have at the start of each day, but at any one time you have one Primary Apparition, which also grants you its focus spell as long as it is your main squeeze

[craggy thunder]

Oh yeah one of the players in my group’s Starfinder game is drawing my character

[upbeat ridge]

nice

[trim grotto]

Oh I wonder if mind smith would be good for exemplar

[clever cobalt]

Dunno if you can make your Mind Smith weapon an Ikon sadly

[rustic cape]

Also all of your apparition spells are signature spells

[surreal basin]

Because bombs are consumable RAW

which makes them limited use

[rustic cape]

Shadow sheath's text pretty clearly indicates that you throw a duplicate, not the actual bomb, but I was speaking more from a "is this a balance problem" perspective there

[surreal basin]

Oh fair

Probably not I guess

[vocal ember]

The obvious problem would be that bombs are way cheaper than a weapon with runes I suppose

[surreal basin]

That’s definitely a fair point

[limber comet]

Session one tonight...

[rustic cape]

Hm, what 9th level divine spell should my 17th-level animist memorize?

[turbid dagger]

Heroism?

[warped orbit]

Heroism 9 is pretty nuts, yeah

[frank crystal]

Hmm, what’s a good way to make a low level undead a tar zombie?

I need chaff for an upcoming fight

[rustic cape]

We just got to the first encounter with these sumbitches

[limber comet]

Session one done

I am in a sour mood bc of another player going against the mood of the session but otherwise it was pretty rad

[trim grotto]

Surki are pretty interesting

[limber comet]

Surki are great

[light gyro]

aw crap I should've spoilered. Was in the heat of the moment sorgy

[crystal walrus]

ahhh

i found the player aid i was looking for yesterday

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/17ryam7/player_reference_cards_for_new_players/

[rustic cape]

Naw it's okay, don't worry about it

[vital kiln]

Goddamn, bo staffs are really good

Can't believe I never thought to look into these things

[rustic cape]

Oh, yeah

[vital kiln]

2sp for a d8 weapon with parry, reach, AND trip, AND it's one-handed to boot

[rustic cape]

Wow

2-handed

[vital kiln]

Oh wait it IS two handed

Still though

[rustic cape]

Still solid, though, yeah

[vital kiln]

Really fucking good weapon all around

[rustic cape]

What's the crit spec for clubs?

[vital kiln]

Cannot believe I never thought to look at these things

I think it moves enemies around?

Yeah it knocks your foe away like 10 feet from you

Which isn't really great but you can get up to shenanigans with it

Namely chucking people off cliffsides

[rustic cape]

They get a save?

[vital kiln]

No, it just

Happens

[rustic cape]

That's quite good

[vital kiln]

Dunno, I feel in most scenarios it's kinda not great because all it really does it make you walk forward to reengage

[rustic cape]

I think it's one of those things that might come up in unexpected ways

[vital kiln]

Yeah, true

[turbid dagger]

But to think of it another way, it makes them have to walk back to reengage, if they are melee

[trim grotto]

could a nodachi work well on exemplar?
if you got the prof from like, unconventional weaponry or something

[true delta]

Hmpf. A player has cancelled for good reasons. I'm left with only two players before an important dungeon m, including a tough boss fight. What would you do?

[surreal basin]

Permanently cancelled?

[true delta]

Nah, just for today. It's a group of four players over all. Two of them are just bogged down in exams.

[surreal basin]

Ahh, I’d just call it and try again next week tbh

[true delta]

Thank you for your input.

[frank crystal]

My exemplar player is currently using a nodachi

He’s very effective with it

[vital kiln]

Exemplar nodachi seems extremely cracked, yeah

[trim grotto]

Oh I could even see about picking up a flash blade later

[vital kiln]

Aye, aye

[trim grotto]

What are some ways I could get proficiency with a nodachi

[frank crystal]

Human unconventional weaponry is an easy way

[trim grotto]

Can't get it that way anymore

[frank crystal]

Also tengu ancestral weaponry

[frank crystal]

Ah shit yah

There’s also the two handed weapon archetype

[trim grotto]

Tengu then

[frank crystal]

Demolisher I think

[trim grotto]

Mauler

[frank crystal]

It gives prof with advanced two handed weapons

It’s how my exemplar got prof

[trim grotto]

Hell yeah

[frank crystal]

You might want the archetype anyway tbh

There’s some good feats in there

Knockdown is great

[vital kiln]

Hungerseed

It's the easiest way and it nets you low-light vision, even upgrades your low-light vision if you already had it

Also lets you take some neat feats later on too

[trim grotto]

Oh sick I was already doing hungerseed

[vital kiln]

Nice

But yeah Hungerseed lets you take Oni Weapon Familiarity, which lets you treat nodachi as Simple weapons for the purposes of proficiency

THIS DOES NOT MEAN THEY BENEFIT FROM EXEMPLAR'S FEATURES THAT USE SIMPLE WEAPONS

Nodachi exemplar is good but you absolutely cannot raise its damage die to a d10 with its features

[wary yoke]

Ironically I am putting the finishing touches on a nodachi exemplar that gets his proficiency by Mauler

Pathbuilder wouldn't let me take skill archetype feats with the free archetype, but I guess this works as well

(main archetype is medic)

[vocal ember]

Why's nodachi good with exemplar?

[wary yoke]

I mean I chose the weapon because that is what the character used in 1st edition

And its a pretty good weapon regardless