Pathfinder

[limber comet]

Dwarven scatterguns

[clever cobalt]

I still like Mios

[crystal walrus]

the inventor looks cool too

[clever cobalt]

Absolute Unit

Yhe Inventor is a full Orc right? Not a half-orc/Dromaar

[craggy thunder]

Indeed!

Nhalmika is also great, yes

[limber comet]

Mios, Korakai, and Nahoa are my favorite

[craggy thunder]

(Though sadly I think her most likely specialization is the statistically worst one)

<XD

[clever cobalt]

Nahoa is great

[craggy thunder]

Whereas Lirianne's is 2e's statistical best

[clever cobalt]

Exemplar also rocks. Tried it today

[crystal walrus]

Pistolero

[clever cobalt]

It's great

[limber comet]

Also funny that my taste in iconics is also my romantic taste

[crystal walrus]

she also has that 3.5 era line art

maybe cuz paizo also managed dragon

[limber comet]

Nervous birdman, nonbinary monster hunter, and dude who can lift mountains with his pinky

[crystal walrus]

is there like

a spreadsheet of all the pf1e classes and how they made the transition over?

[craggy thunder]

Wayne Reynolds is the goat

[clever cobalt]

Mios is also the absolute most Reynolds piece

[craggy thunder]

Nah Reynolds is just

The John Williams of d20 fantasy character art

Everywhere you look

[clever cobalt]

Absolute unit

[craggy thunder]

There the fucker is

He's in most 3.5 books as well

Shit I think 3.5s bard and Lem are

'not technically the same'

[clever cobalt]

He also did the cover for WoI

[craggy thunder]

Hell yeah he did

My one problem with Reynolds

Is dude still does boob plate

Not even like all the time

[crystal walrus]

anyway

[clever cobalt]

I love his Dark Sun piece

[crystal walrus]

anyway

art sick

[clever cobalt]

I hope the Gunslinger is better in the remaster :v

Ye

[crystal walrus]

oh is G&G not remastered yet

[clever cobalt]

Not yet

But they are doing a remaster iirc

I feel like DA is when Paizo really started to expirement with classes

Cause Thaumaturge is pretty different mechanically from anything before it

The Gunslinger currently meanwhile is basically "Fighter but specifically Gun"

[craggy thunder]

Dhuknajhan, Drinker of Shadows, Whose Blood is Fire

[clever cobalt]

Admittedly I'm eager to see what other Ephitaphs might be

[craggy thunder]

My Matanji Dhampir Bloodrager

[clever cobalt]

Current Mythic Character idea:

Thaumaturge who is very interested in the Dark Tapestry, and is slowly becoming an Outer God (Godling)

[limber comet]

Actually friendly outer god

[clever cobalt]

Yeah basically

Or at least one with a connection to his home

[craggy thunder]

Trying to figure out a fun god to make an avenger out of

I have found who to make an avenger of

Muhfuckin Mahja Firehair

I! Love! Orcs!

[fossil temple]

Same!

[limber comet]

Any god that doesn't promote redemption or pacifism outright probably works

I feel like an Avenger of Erastil would be fun

[craggy thunder]

Mahja is like 'you can be redeemed, sure'

'earn that shit tho'

[craggy thunder]

Fun idea

Awakened Animal Champion

of Lamashtu

'I was happy with lips uncontorted to speak, and I will wreak the sorrow of my uplifting on the world.'

[wooden orbit]

Kinda surprised folks haven't jumped on Triumph immediately for StartPlaying x-x

[wary yoke]

I spent entirely too long writing up some advanced firearms for our setting

I found a decent 3PP on Infinite that had cowboy guns but wasn’t entirely satisfied with them

And I put our own setting-specific spin on them, though the Mares Leg/Centaur’s Leg came out just about the same, lol

[rustic cape]

Hm. Unarmed thief rogue. Bloody Debilitation or Critical Debilitation?

[true delta]

Frozen Flame: The weak-adjusted kelpie killed one of three PCs. The player of the deaceased character had fun. The others may have found the fight a little draining, in part because fighting in water had to be figured out. That's on me, of course, but I feel that a PL + 2 bossfight you don't see coming is a bit rough, especially combined with aquatic combat.

[craggy thunder]

I would say bloody since it's not reliant on a crit?

[rustic cape]

That's my thought as well

Even though bleed immunity exists, hm

We've got enough debilitations with precise debilitations tbh

[craggy thunder]

Both fair arguments, though I think you may have bigger problems for your fists if a target has bleed immunity

[rustic cape]

The worst things for a rogue to fight are oozes and incorporeal by far

[craggy thunder]

precision immunity my fucking beloathed

[rustic cape]

Somehow they come out ahead of the worst think for anyone else to fight: animate objects

Some of my most draining PF2e experiences have involved animate objects

[craggy thunder]

man, I wanna play with my magus homebrew so bad lol

[surreal basin]

I think it’s cause so many animate objects are low level

So you don’t really have the ability to hit them any harder then you already are

[true delta]

I've got a weird issue (I think): My group uses Pathbuilder. The rogue's got a sickle, a finesse weapon. The damage is 1d4 + 4. And I don't know why. The rogue's got +0 STR and +4 DEX. And Finesse states that you still add your STR to damage, not your DEX. Am I missing something?

[charred patrol]

Are they a thief rogue?

When you attack with a finesse melee weapon or finesse melee unarmed attack, you can add your Dexterity modifier to damage rolls instead of your Strength modifier.
is like, the main thing that racket gets, I think.

[warped orbit]

It is yeah

[limber comet]

Well

Campaigning has started for the next Team+ core expansion

These are are really good choices, honestly

One of them even has an entirely new class

[sturdy drum]

i would like for the Guardian iconic to be a kobold

fingers crossed

[limber comet]

I doubt it, it would be cool though

[true delta]

Thank you!!!

[craggy thunder]

Fun idea for an Avenger

Dwarven Grudge Cop follower of Kols

dual wields a light hammer (I would let the player use a warhammer even tho that's Torag's favored), Kols' favored weapon, and their clan dagger in the offhand for the parry trait

[limber comet]

That's a grudgin

[craggy thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/dammaz-kron-dwarf-gif-27703552

Wait

Of all classes

Rogue gets Haft Striker too?

[echo briar]

Avenger

Also oddly the best meta picks for rouges are all spears

[craggy thunder]

Oh Avenger specifically gets haft striker

Fair I guess lmao

[limber comet]

No, it's intended for Avenger but all rogues can take it

Fighters and Rangers can as well

It's one of those multiclass feats

[craggy thunder]

I mean I knew Fighter and Ranger got it

Man

idk why but Avenger apparently has the sauce where I have like 5 diff characters for it now

[limber comet]

Every archetype beyond Warrior of Legend is pretty rad

[craggy thunder]

Tengu Hei Fengite with a Jiu Huan Dao and Fighting Fan, Amurrun Shizurite with a Katana and Wakizashi, Dwarven Kols worshipper with a Light Hammer and Clan Dagger

It's got the sauce

You know what I wanna see? This kind of thing for Monk

[limber comet]

Monk just needs a little more juice in general

It's not gonna happen but I really want monks+

They said they'd touch on a bunch of different Golarion fighting styles and I'm just like PLEASEEEEE

[craggy thunder]

I just wanna katana monk

Lemme weeb it up

Actually

I think you technically can?

As a Tengu with Ancestral Weaponry and the familiarity feat?

[limber comet]

Like, I just want Inner Sea monk monasteries that aren't necessarily tied to Irori

[craggy thunder]

Hei Fengite monks

Meditation involves drunken parties

[limber comet]

Also acceptable

But what about Ustalav monks that mimic undead in their fighting styles

To fight fire with fire

I dunno

[silver geyser]

slams back drink 1e has you covered.

https://aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?Category=Style

[limber comet]

Yeah but I don't wanna play 1e >:p

[silver geyser]

But there's inspiration to be had here.

[limber comet]

That is true

A lot of good inspo, actually

A diabolic monk sounds really interesting

[echo briar]

picks up a whipstaff
Is not a staff```

[echo briar]

what ancestry would make for the worst exemplar, both mechanically and thematically

[limber comet]

I dunno

That's a good question

[craggy thunder]

I mean I imagine any ancestry would fit as well as about any other

[rustic cape]

Huuuuuh

Barbarian Thrash seems ... not bad?

[warped orbit]

It's decent

Main upside is no MAP

[rustic cape]

With a good instinct it'll do okay damage

[limber comet]

Huh

Depending on the upcoming vote, Team+ might be making an outright new class

[worthy stump]

:O

[limber comet]

It's tentatively titled Dungeoneer

[rustic cape]

Interesting

[craggy thunder]

I mean not to no sell your joke, but I am sure you will be happy to be informed that those work fine with staff acrobat

Because there is specifically a feat that makes a staff's parry trait better

Which

Neither the base game staff nor spear have, so

XD

But the whipstaff does

Wait I have been bamboozled by the writers

Because specifically whipstaff is excluded

Why?

[rustic cape]

what even is a whipstaff

[craggy thunder]

finess bo staff pretty much

Well

It is the finesse alternative to the bo staff, but it has different traits beyond that

agile and sweep to the bo's reach and trip

[rustic cape]

Okay but I mean like within the fiction

Is it like a whip on the end of a staff?

Is it a staff that turns into a whip?

[craggy thunder]

'whip' as in its light enough it bends if you swing it fast enough

[rustic cape]

Ah

[craggy thunder]

It sounds like someone swinging a switch probably

[rustic cape]

I guess you could argue that such a light staff couldn't support your weight for staff acrobat but that

Seems like a bad reason tbh

[craggy thunder]

I agree

seemingly it's a 'the whipstaff was published long after the archetype', but I need to check when the bo was originally published

[rustic cape]

I mean it's also a premaster archetype, right?

[craggy thunder]

Okay that is the case

Aye

[rustic cape]

The remaster has gotten farther away from that kind of Arbitrarily Specific Diegesis Bullshit in general

[craggy thunder]

lmao

[rustic cape]

Not far enough imo but it's much improved

[craggy thunder]

I bet a sun wukong haft striker avenger would be real good

Cuz then getting twin parry from that archetype would have the +2 from one of the weapons having Parry, the bo staff

[turbid dagger]

The whipstaff came out after Staff Acrobat

IS the main reason

Staff Acrobat works with 'spears, polearms, and X weapons'
Which includes the Bo Staff and Staff

But the whipstaff did not exist to be included

[echo briar]

Noble branch also doesn’t include them, so it’s not just a remaster thing

[craggy thunder]

I have had an idea for my alchemist concept for my character stable

mutagenist aldori who is absolutely addicted to quicksilver

[rustic cape]

Real Qin Emperor hours

[craggy thunder]

quicksilver is an item bonus to dex attacks which conflicts with striking runes noooooooooooooo

[silver geyser]

Throwing bombs?

[craggy thunder]

I mean it does help with throwing bombs, but the idea is this is a weird aldori lol

[warped orbit]

Quicksilver is usually +1 compared to runes

Same as other mutagens

[craggy thunder]

A drug addict who should not be trusted with swords

[craggy thunder]

fairs

[craggy thunder]

I just had a really fun idea for this guy

His head plumage is all multicolored from his experiments

[echo briar]

Is there a reason why Nethys put this under armor? https://2e.aonprd.com/Equipment.aspx?ID=3158

[surreal basin]

Silly accident I think

[echo briar]

Would there be any balancing problems with making intimidating prowess for other skills?

Skill feat, get a bonus to a skill if you have a high enough modifier in a related attribute

I can’t think of any reason except thematics that intimidation is uniquely fine with this effect

[rustic cape]

I think it would probably be fine

[echo briar]

Boost diplomacy with wisdom, deception with int, and performance with dex

[rustic cape]

Demoralize is kinda interesting because it’s the best skill check debuff, but also you get one chance to use it against any given foe

And it’s got some practical limits

Has good skill feats in general though

And skeptic’s defense is hilarious

[craggy thunder]

Oh my god running reload isn't crossbow exclusive now?! phalanx piercer finally has a crumb of a niche?!

[limber comet]

https://fixupx.com/paizo/status/1853595593509126625?t=-5MhTpt7usOWpz4hzMCU7Q&s=19

LESBIANS IN THE BACK

[clever cobalt]

Lesbian spotting

[limber comet]

Rare creature

[worthy stump]

your honor, they're wives

[echo briar]

would you let a thaumaturge use a highly polished shield (Pericus style) as a mirror implement?

[warped orbit]

probably not, no

[rustic cape]

I would let you fluff such a mirror as a shield but I would not let you also Raise Shield with it

[warped orbit]

yeah

[limber comet]

Gotta sacrifice that hand economy

[rustic cape]

Thaum doesn't need the help, tbh

Also hey has anyone noticed that amphisbaena handwraps are amazing

https://2e.aonprd.com/Equipment.aspx?ID=3223&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

Versatile Piercing, fully compatible with all runes, 1/hour double unarmed strike with bonus damage

[warped orbit]

the activate is pretty good

if you are Animal Barb especially

[rustic cape]

It does have manipulate

So it's not perfect but

You can probably find an opportunity to use it

[turbid dagger]

What you do to get a shield as thaum is archetype magus, and get raise a tome :3

[echo briar]

the weird thing is, this is for a build with a free hand.

even if I have a perfectly free hand, implements empowerment doesn't work unless the shield is a implement.

[limber comet]

I went ahead and got the digital and physical version of Godsrain

[frozen hatch]

Thoughts on War for the Crown?

[clever cobalt]

It's good

[clever cobalt]

How is it?

[limber comet]

Haven't had time to fully get past the prologue due to everyone wanting my attention

But Liane knows how to write good so far

And there are maps included which is handy :]

[rustic cape]

I think a shield could be a Weapon Implement?

[frozen hatch]

Oh?

[stuck bane]

My thaumaturge player uses a buckler and I think we flavor that as the mirror implement since it doesn’t make much difference. As long as they keep that hand empty or full of esoterica or another implement (theoretically, their other one is just weapon), they get to use it for mirror stuff

[wary yoke]

In our setting there is a colonial empire rules by werecreatures, and they have a caste system based around werecreatures types; bats are priests, wolves are military leaders, tigers are diplomats, and so on

When I saw that Howl of the Wild had weremoose, the first question I asked the dev who made the werecreature empire is how weremoose fit in

(his answer was "wherever they want")

And joked that their natural enemies were wereorcas

And I realized last night it is very possible to make an awakened orca using the awakened animal template

[limber comet]

I've read three chapters so far

Very good

[clever cobalt]

Nice

[limber comet]

Liane knows what she's doing

[echo briar]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/pf2e-player-core-115436838

Nethys will be updated this weekend

[clever cobalt]

Based

[echo briar]

They keep their promise, October 41st is late in the month but it’s still October

[surreal basin]

LMAOOO

[rustic cape]

SNRRRK

[echo briar]

Let’s go America, we can do this

[limber comet]

OKAY WE NEED TO WIN.

[rustic cape]

Yeah this is important now

[warped orbit]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/1gkjp5x/just_got_my_subscriber_pdf_for_lost_omens_divine/

so Battle Harbinger does turn into a wavecaster like Summoner and Magus

they get weapon Master at 13, but only for favored weapon

loses regular Font, get a new Font that can be used to cast Bless and Bane instead (and can pick up AC versions of those with feats)

they get better scaling Class DC, but spellcasting doesn't go above Expert

[limber comet]

It's crazy that it got here so early for some folks

Oh, interesting

Ashes, Time, and what seems to be a new mystery, Blight, are the oracle mysteries

Baba Yaga and the Mosquito Witch are also back, in addition to two new mysteries, and a remastered version of the Bargains patron from DA

[warped orbit]

Baba Yaga and Mosquito Patrons are also getting reprinted,yeah

[limber comet]

Interesting

Can't wait to get my hands on this book

[rustic cape]

Do we know what NuBaba Yaga looks like?

This is relevant to a character of mine >_>

[limber comet]

No idea

Just that they're in the book

[turbid dagger]

Is any summoner stuff there 🥺
Divine mysteries was my last hope for devil eidolon

[limber comet]

They haven't said

Probably not, if they didn't say so outright

I mean, Summoners+ is there

It's not the ideal but it is there :p

[limber comet]

Finished Godsrain

Very good :]

Hope we get more 2e fiction with some lesser explored iconics

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-meme-wait-a-minute-gif-14484132

is this strength of thousands ?

is this a iron gods situation ?

https://tenor.com/view/proud-prozd-mad-fucking-gif-14240714

[rustic cape]

Yeah I mean you specifically help her ascend in SoT

[light gyro]

oooh, does she have divine intervention now?

[eager mountain]

Idk

[surreal basin]

Oh my god

Could exemplar make the humble sling actually useable?

[silver geyser]

Yes

[surreal basin]

Yeah baby let’s gooooo

D8 propulsive with the flat ikon damage is

Actually really good

[rustic cape]

Real David and Goliath hours

... thought

Samson as an Exemplar with martial artist dedication into Mountain Stance

[surreal basin]

Ooo ball

[novel merlin]

Does it not have reload?

[surreal basin]

It does

[novel merlin]

Ikons can kind a help with that so not terrible

Basically a non fatal pistol

[turbid dagger]

The most interesting subjects for Humble Strikes, to me, are Gauntlets and Clan Daggers, I think

[echo briar]

Small consolation prize

[rustic cape]

Wait can you not put an ikon on a stance attack?

[craggy thunder]

depends ikon by ikon iirc

there are some ikons that can be put on unarmed

I will point out Mountain Stance doesn't give you a new attack, iirc

[rustic cape]

Doesn't it? "The only Strikes you can make are falling stone unarmed attacks. These deal 1d8 bludgeoning damage; are in the brawling group; and have the forceful, nonlethal, and unarmed traits."

I'm seeing it argued that since you only have the strike when the stance is up, you can't put an ikon on it

[craggy thunder]

what the fuck?

huh

Mountain has had an attack this whole time

[clever cobalt]

you didn't know?

[craggy thunder]

No

I

I realized what has occured

I have fucky wuckied

and confused mountain with ironblood

[clever cobalt]

Iron Blood also has an attack

[craggy thunder]

what the fuck, Pathfinder!!!

All I know is ironblood is like

The stance I use for my hit people with objects (weapons) monks

Cuz peafowl is

Boring

[clever cobalt]

While in Ironblood Stance, you gain resistance 2 to all damage. The resistance increases to 3 at 12th level, to 4 at 16th level, and to 5 at 20th level.```

[craggy thunder]

Wow I

Just did not at all pay attention to why you would pick ironblood on a weapon monk

free parry moment

[limber comet]

JoCat is gonna be reading the pf2e rules in about an hour or so here

On Twitch I think

[upbeat ridge]

DO IT JOCAT

BECOME THE CHOSEN ONE

BRING BALANCE TO THE TTRPG SPACE

DEFEAT WOTC

he's popular enough

he really could bring enough eyes to pf2e

but also he might hate the rules idk

[limber comet]

He might

He might not

[upbeat ridge]

im mostly just memeing

i hope he enjoys it

[limber comet]

Sorry

Memes are kinda crashing against me now

[upbeat ridge]

thats understandable.

[echo briar]

what skill would you use to break the 4th wall?

[limber comet]

Strength roll

[west sky]

performance in D&D and derivatives, i'd assumne

[ionic pier]

JoCat talking about Pathfinder 2e on stream right now

[rustic cape]

Something I’ve noticed is that PF2e doesn’t really have a “pact warrior” sort of class

[surreal basin]

How do you mean

[warped orbit]

I assume that Witch is a pure caster

[silver geyser]

It is

[turbid dagger]

Speaking of witch- I found some art that goes perfect for one, someone convince me to play the class
I hate prepcasters 😔

Look at this fiend

[wary yoke]

I haven't actually looked at witch dedication...

[warped orbit]

it's alright

[rustic cape]

Like, the warrior warlock that is popular in D&D is conspicuously absent

I’m not saying it’s a major omission

But it is something I would struggle to build

Magus with a refluff, I guess

[surreal basin]

Oh yeah fair enough

Honestly I feel like that’s the type of thing that usually gets more mileage as an archetype in 2e

[rustic cape]

Possibly!

Just

[eager mountain]

https://www.twitch.tv/jocat

jocat doing p2e

[rustic cape]

If someone said they wanted to port their Paladin/warlock, I wouldn’t really know how to answer

[surreal basin]

Hmmm that’s fair

[rustic cape]

And that stands out to me because that's a hella good character archetype

"I swore an oath to the morally grey powers"

[surreal basin]

I mean I guess just the evil champs would fill that rn

[rustic cape]

Again, like, it's fine for PF2e not to have that

I mean sorrrrrta but champ feels quite different

[sacred bluff]

Does anybody /spheres/ here?

[trail nova]

Yes!

Though I think I'm one of the few. It's a pretty heavy PF 2e crowd.

[eager mountain]

nunchuck goblin

[sacred bluff]

😔

[eager mountain]

new oaths

[surreal basin]

I have played spheres before

[clever cobalt]

aaaaaaaaaaa

I really wanna see divine mysteries

But I probably won't get a copy until the 20th

[surreal basin]

A bunch of stuff came out on 4chan

theres some cool stuff in it

[eager mountain]

wait

so champion can change oaths each day

[clever cobalt]

only /tg/ community I'm associated with is uhhhh

/cyoag/

vaguely

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-grin-grins-smiling-gif-13132136

I have it right now

if you got questions

[clever cobalt]

can you share it? :v

[eager mountain]

thats just a fuckin wow character

[warped orbit]

Mortal Herald is apparently very strong as an archetype

[sacred bluff]

How did you find your experience with it?

I'm currently four builds deep in potential characters for a wuxia spheres game I have coming up soon

[surreal basin]

uhhh it was cool!
I'm kinda mixed on it as a whole, I think it does a lot of interesting stuff, but I defintiely have some complaints, namely that I feel like it ratchets up the CharOp even more from pf1e somehow, and that its balance is absolutely over the place

[trail nova]

I'm a fan, trying to disconnect Spheres from the general PF 1e nonsense is a project that I've had bouncing around in my head and will probably never put to paper.

[clever cobalt]

How so?

[surreal basin]

but one could reasonably say that in the latter aspect it more just

[clever cobalt]

I haven't seen it yet

[surreal basin]

carries on the spirit of pf1e lol

[sacred bluff]

That's fair! I think more options is gonna naturally lead to more granular charop, though I know that Spheres did at least try not to reach the heights of stuff like high level vancian casters and pounce charging

I just love the freedom in realizing very specific concepts

[west sky]

lol official paizo is in jocat stream now

[rustic cape]

XD

Is he liking it so far?

[steel blade]

short answer, yes

[west sky]

seems to be hyped about how "every class feels like 5e warlock in amount of options"

[rustic cape]

Aha

Well, that is a strength of the system

It definitely is rewarding for those who engage with mechanics

[warped orbit]

so it can be taken as a Mythic Destine, or as a rare archetype at level 12:

• initial feat gives sanctification, and a max rank Heal 2a version for one action on yourself, free action if you drop to 0 but don't die immediately (doesn't say how often unfortunately)
• it apparently has 29 feats in the archetype in total, with a few mentioned
• at 14: Herald's Weapon for an actions turns weapon or unarmed into spirit damage, sanctify, and 2d4 extra spirit for a minute; Domain Embodiment gives you two domain spells, advanced or initial, from your god that you can swap during daily prep; Mortal Ascension gives you perma fly speed
• at 16: Following Smite, if you hit someone with Herald's Weapon spend another action to force a Reflex save, on fail spirit damage equal to level and prone, clumsy 1 on crit fail, half damage on success; Declare Anathema, 2a make a Religion check against an enemy. On a success, any beneficial effect applied to that enemy has to pass a DC 5 flat check, and they gain spirit weakness 10 for a minute. On a crit the first effect lasts until removed, on fail it lasts for a round and no weakness.
• at 18: Marked for Rebuke, spellshape, one creature damaged by the spell gains weakness 10 to all damage until the end of your next turn. Target is immune to this for 24 hours afterwards; Divine Presence, stance, gain a 5 foot emanation aura, you can take actions from anywhere within the aura. Can Sustain to increase aura size by 5 feet to a max of 15. Enemies that end their turn within the aura are off guard against your Strikes; Eyes of God is permanent 8th rank See the Unseen and Truesight; Glory on High, 2a to Fly straight up then force a Will save on all enemies in a 60 ft emanation, success, dazzled for a minute; failure, 10d6 mental, blinded for a round, and dazzled for a minute; critical failure, 20d6 mental, blinded for a minute, and dazzled for a round, immunity for an hour
• at 20 you get the obligatory immortality, don't die until Dying 5 (6 if you already have Diehard), if you do die you go to your deity and they can decide to send you back to life

[rustic cape]

29

[trail nova]

Yeah. And spheres authors and playtest commenters are all generally in the realm of "experienced with PF 1e optimization" so certain details fly under the radar. At the same time, they are wildly different levels of optimization thinking and attention to balance. There are some authors who I consider there books to be "handle with care, white list only" and some where it's "yeah, sure, it will be fine."

[rustic cape]

Damn, that's a lot

[warped orbit]

Marked for Rebuke, spellshape, one creature damaged by the spell gains weakness 10 to all damage until the end of your next turn. Target is immune to this for 24 hours afterwards
this one specifically seems pretty crazy

[rustic cape]

Yes

[warped orbit]

since by that point you can easily have rainbow damage runes

[rustic cape]

That's a huge damage increase

[warped orbit]

so you will absolutely shred apart a single target

[rustic cape]

Especially if you have a rapid attacker

[warped orbit]

that's easily 30-40 extra damage per Strike

potentially more

[warped orbit]

another one mentioned

Guiding Words at 18th. Action, ally within 30 feet, Diplomacy check with a hard-difficulty DC of the ally's level. Success, the first time the targeted ally makes an attack roll before the end of their next turn, they roll twice and use the better result. Fortune, targeted ally becomes immune to Guiding Words for 10 minutes.

[rustic cape]

Especially strong if the rapid attacker can do multiple damage types

Because of the way weakness all works

[warped orbit]

which you easily can via property runes

[rustic cape]

Yep

[clever cobalt]

Oh that sounds fun

[rustic cape]

Bunch of other good ways to add damage types too

Flame Dancer

[clever cobalt]

I wonder if I could make a Mortal Herald of Yog Sothoth work

With my Mythic Thaumaturge idea

[rustic cape]

https://2e.aonprd.com/Spells.aspx?ID=1356 Really this spell's fuckin' sick

[limber comet]

I really need Divine Mysteries so bad

if anybody has a copy and is willing to share that'd be phenomenal

[warped orbit]

also some info about Palatine Detective:

• the Methodology just gives Occultism or Religion training, Quick Identification as a skill feat, a divine cantrip and an occult cantrip, Int as casting stat
• the dedication at 2 gives +1 to mental saves, and the following reaction

Mystic Aegis [reaction] (concentrate, magical) Trigger A creature you have successfully Recalled Knowledge about would damage you; Requirements You have a free hand; Effect You brandish your charm, channeling and shaping the forces within it to protect you from harm. You gain resistance to all damage equal to 2 + half your level rounded up against the triggering effect.

• Esoteric Spellcasting at 4th, basically basic spellcasting benefits but as an innate spell once per day, your choice of divine or occult, you can take it a second time to gain the other tradition as well
• Palatine Enchantment at 6th, against target eligible for Occultism or Religion RK, a Strike benefitting from your DaS gain the effect of your choice of Ghost Touch or Vitalizing rune
• Thaumaturgic Ritualist at 6th, same as the Thaum version
• Palatine Strike at 8th, improve your Strategic Strike damage by 2d6 against a creature you have successfully used RK with Occult or Religion against
• Challenge Insight at 8th, one per day reaction counteract against Divine or Occult spell, uses your Occultism or Religion skill depending on opposing tradition, on a success the caster is also Stupefied 1
• Greater Esoteric Casting at 12, basically the advanced version of the previous spell casting feat, covering spell level 4-6

oh and they also get the Cast Out feat in the archetype, originally from Exorcist

[limber comet]

Oh, huh

So it's basically an eldritch investigator

[rustic cape]

Seems cool

[warped orbit]

kind of yeah

[rustic cape]

Fun thing to stick on a regular investigator

[limber comet]

Battle Harbinger and Palatine Detective seem really neat as additions

[warped orbit]

Harbinger I like in idea, though what it gives up seems pretty rough

since by losing both Heal font and turning into a wavecaster, you lose a lot of casting power

they do get their aura font, but most of those are lower level spells that don't scale
so the gain is lesser than Heal font

they do uniquely have a feat to increase the bonus/penalty from their aura spells apparently, but it seems to require a crit

funnily there is also apparently a Razmiran Priest archetype in the book

you can even go into Cleric archetype afterwards, but if you do your casting stat becomes Charisma and you get Occult casting instead of Divine

[rustic cape]

That's kinda cool

[surreal basin]

That’s really funny

[turbid dagger]

Guys I've
Started to like Alchemist
Oh god

[rustic cape]

Have you made a spreadsheet yet

[turbid dagger]

I don't want too 😭
But Chirurgeon actually looks like a fun healer
This is fucked

[warped orbit]

New Alchi is a lot less spreadsheety tbf

Since the majority of your items will be created spontaneously now

[rustic cape]

But thou must

[limber comet]

Post Remaster Alchemist is grand

[wary yoke]

Yeah, I'll still miss the horriffic mutation discoveries of 1E alchemist, but the remastered alchemist is fun and functional enough for me not to miss it

[surreal basin]

Wow wood kinet impulse junction is nuuuuts

[warped orbit]

It's pretty nice yeah

Wood Impulse junction and Timber Sentinel for sure carried my Wood/Earth Kineticist lmao

[surreal basin]

I…. Uh, am considering asking my player who is gonna be doing wood kinet to not abuse timber sentinel

[turbid dagger]

That's fair!
I've done the opposite
Deliberately not taking Timber Sentinel cuz it seems a little wack on mine

[thorny berry]

Yeah honestly having been in a group with it timber sentinel is.... a lot

[clever cobalt]

Yeah it's well known to be broken

[limber comet]

I wanna know about Blight oracle so bad ughhghh

[clever cobalt]

Debating something

Do I want my Yog Sothoth Mortal Herald to be a Thaumaturge or a Battle Harbinger

Or Exemplar maybe

[limber comet]

You could also be really funny and do the class archetype in Clerics+

It...also turns you into a wavecaster, huh

Does yog sothoth have a sacred animal? /hj

[clever cobalt]

I don't think so

Whats the class archetype in Clerics+?

[turbid dagger]

Man I'm actually enjoying building an alchemist what the hell
Sifting through the alchemical items is agony but

[limber comet]

It basically gives you different approaches to being a wave caster depending on your cleric doctrine

[clever cobalt]

Whats a wave caster again

[limber comet]

Magus/Summoner

[clever cobalt]

Oh, so a pseudo-martial

I need to look at the Battle Harbinger in Divine Mysteries thougg

[limber comet]

Goes in a wave pattern upwards

Like so

[clever cobalt]

Oh, that

[limber comet]

Anyways it basically boosts your martial capabilities in different ways depending on your doctrine

Cloistered gets an animal companion that's usually (but not always) their deity's sacred animal

[clever cobalt]

Mhm

Battle Harbinger is also a wave caster actually, looking at it

[limber comet]

Do you have Divine Mysteries?

[clever cobalt]

Yes

[limber comet]

...... <.<

dont suppose i can convince you to share

[clever cobalt]

Not mine, a friend's

So no, I'm afraid

[limber comet]

Ah, fair's fair

I know how that is

[clever cobalt]

Anyways, probably gonna go Thaum. Partially because I love Thaum, and partially because I think the whole "eldritch knowledge" part of Thaum fits well with Yog Sothoth

[turbid dagger]

So, I heard stuff about new witch patrons in divine mysteries?

[clever cobalt]

Ye

Baba Yaga and Mosquitio Witch also returned

[limber comet]

Under different names? Or is it still just

[clever cobalt]

Same names

[limber comet]

Lmao

[clever cobalt]

Baba Yaga don't give a shit

[limber comet]

I'm super pleased that Ashes oracle got put into a non-ap book

[clever cobalt]

Also, one tidbit I like is a Sahkil Tormentor (basically the strongest of the Sahkil; think Devils from Chainsaw Man) of the Fear of Death also happens to despise Undead

Perhaps even more so than Pharasma

[limber comet]

Oh there are more tormentors? Word?

[clever cobalt]

The interesting implication that, when it comes to hunting Undead, the followers of Chamiaholom are perfectly willing to work with Pharadma

Despite Sahkil and Pharasma not being on the best terms (to put it lightly)

[limber comet]

Sahkils are really cool

[clever cobalt]

They're basically CSM Devils yeah

[limber comet]

Glad they seem to be getting more attention in post-remaster 2e

My favorite fiends are probably Sahkils and Daemons

[clever cobalt]

I'm partial to the Dark Tapestry, as always

Notably, Yog is said to be Ambivalent, not Malelovent, in Divine Mysteries

Which kinda helped inspire my idea

[limber comet]

Those aren't fiends tho :p

[clever cobalt]

Fair lol

[limber comet]

Unless you count Qlippoth

[clever cobalt]

Eh

[limber comet]

Which I personally do

[clever cobalt]

Lovecraft is kinda its own thing

[limber comet]

Same sides on different coins

[clever cobalt]

Given the whole nature of the Dark Tapestry, I don't really think they fit anywhere (beyond vaguely "Abberation")

Like the Outer Gods aren't really Gods as we know them

It's just kinda the best descriptor of them

They're something else

[limber comet]

I'm genuinely surprised that Rovagug isn't considered an outer god, honestly

[clever cobalt]

Because he's a traditional god imo

[limber comet]

Maybe he can't fit because we can vaguely understand his goals?

[clever cobalt]

Just one of Destruction

Like the vague divine mechanics are different

He's a god in the same way Pharasma is a god

But Nyarlathotep for example isn't a God in the way those two are

If that makes sense

[limber comet]

Sssorta

It's like timey wimey but...divine

[clever cobalt]

Yeah

It's complicated

Partially because the Dark Tapestry stuff is intentionally incomprehensible

Also on that note

[limber comet]

It makes sense until it doesn't make sense anymore

[clever cobalt]

Did we get anything on the Ashen Man lately

[clever cobalt]

Yeah basically

Which in turn is why it makes sense

It makes sense because it makes no sense, dunno how else to phrase it

[limber comet]

It's a paradox

[clever cobalt]

Yep

Among other things

Anyways on that note, I hope we get Ashen Man stuff soon

IIRC the last time he was referenced was in Highhelm, and only vaguely

[limber comet]

Oh yeah

What's Blight oracle like

[craggy thunder]

Could I interest you in my Witch Magus class archetype perhaps?

[rapid wagon]

does anyone have a non spoilery way to tell me what the hell is going on with (Carrion Crown Spoilers) ||Shub-Niggurath in book... i wanna say 4 or 5 of Carrion Crown? We're kinda poking around and now my paladin/champion is intent on protecting people, but it feels kind of like a big ol scripted side track||?

[surreal basin]

Honestly if this is something you’re worried about you might wanna just poke your GM

[true delta]

Where's this art from? It looks great.

[echo briar]

How do you handle NPCs casting spells like suggestion on players?

[fossil temple]

You do exactly like this

[fossil temple]

On a serious note.
If you don't want to be direct that he is casting a spell, you can do it like the devil on the player's shoulder
Having a 'voice' felling him what to do, feeling an impulse, feeling like it will be a 'great idea' to do something

[rustic cape]

Tbh that's kind of a session 0 question, and in some play groups the answer is gonna be "don't"

In other groups the answer is gonna be, "the NPC cast suggestion on you, I need you to roleplay that"

And the player goes, "yeah for sure!"

[echo briar]

This is an AP, and it’s explicitly called out

[rustic cape]

Ah

How good are your players with spoilers?

[echo briar]

Ok

[rustic cape]

Then you may just want to talk to them

i do think that's a mistake on paizo's part

[warped orbit]

Is it Abom Vaults?

I recall there's a few NPCs in there that are called out as using it

[echo briar]

No, SoTs

Please note, my players are like 7 levels away from this being relevant

[rustic cape]

Ah!

I think definitely talk to them about how they feel about mind control/mental influences, then

"This is a story about wizards, so further along this is going to come up, and I want to know how we'll handle it when we get there"

[wary yoke]

Was told last night that the converted 2E campaign that I've been hyping myself up for a year is not going to be happening because the GM does not expect to be in state after May, and he doesn't want to start a campaign he's not finishing

And with him and his campaign gone, I think most of the drive to get our setting converted to 2E is going to die

So my months of agonizing over how to convert my character have been pretty much fruitless, except for the shiny new 2E books I've bought

[clever cobalt]

Damn, that sucks

Sorry to hear

[warped orbit]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/1glwqy2/so_the_godsrain_novel_spoilers_inside/

some interesting stuff here

[limber comet]

Yeah

It's wild

I have my issues with the novel but overall it's super interesting

MAJOR, MAJOR GODSRAIN SPOILERS but we get a pov chapter from ||Sarenrae's perspective, which is extremely fucking cool, like holy fucking shit||

[clever cobalt]

Nice

[clever cobalt]

Huh, neat

Wonder if they're gonna do an AP with that stuff

[limber comet]

I am a little sad the mysteries regarding Ghol-Gan and the the Eye of Abendego have concrete answers now

[clever cobalt]

2e has a lot of answers tbf

Like uhh

the Spires at the North Pole, for one

[limber comet]

Yes and no on that one

||The nameless spires do get a reason but we immediately find out that there's ANOTHER mystery underneath Osoyo, that strange city that predates the spires||

Gatewalkers spoilers

[clever cobalt]

||The Species that built the spires is the same as Ainamuuren, and the spires were a city-turned-prison for Osoyo, a Great Old One||

also Gatewalkers

and true

||Wouldn't be surprised if it's also some Dark Tapestry shit, given it's Osoyo, plus some Old Ones are in the city||

||You mean them in the AP||

[limber comet]

||I mean it's probably Yithians are Elder Things. It reeks of their architectural style and habits||

[clever cobalt]

yeah

exactly

Main, Gatewalkers could have been great

alas

anyways, any other mysteries answered in 2e?

[limber comet]

Uhhh

Norgorber

We know all about him now

[clever cobalt]

True

[limber comet]

Thanks to the end of Curtain Call

[clever cobalt]

I kinda wanna get CC 3 just to read up on his lore >_>

But I dunno if it's worth spending the money just for that

[limber comet]

It's...both extremely interesting and a little underwhelming

[clever cobalt]

how so?

||I know his name is Gorb but that's it||

[limber comet]

It's...not as epic as you'd think the backstory of a god would be

[clever cobalt]

mind elaborating?

if you don't mind me asking

[limber comet]

I'm not really sure how to explain

[warped orbit]

I don't remember exactly, but when I read it he did kinda come off as just Some Guy

[echo briar]

||a Japanese car salesman was hit by his own car, and got isikied as norbinger|| ||this is all a joke if you couldn’t tell||

[clever cobalt]

If you have the book I wouldnt mind screenshots

If that's an option at least

[limber comet]

Hold on

I can do you one better

Anyways yeah

He does give Some Guy

[clever cobalt]

Fair

[eager mountain]

https://fixupx.com/PhoebeBane/status/1854549199381016754

[surreal basin]

Is it the ||spider lady||

[echo briar]

||spirit naga||

[surreal basin]

Ohhh right

That one…. Isn’t as bad I think

I think you can say “you feel compelled to do what she says”

In that scenario

||there’s an encounter in the next book where a spider lady uses charm spells to split the party up and then fight them that my players really despised||

[rustic cape]

Actually I can ask my GM what she did

She ran Strength of Thousands

[rustic cape]

She says she just trusted her players to go with things when she said "you find yourself thinking X" or "you think this person has some great points"

[rustic cape]

Have we heard anything about the updated Baba Yaga patron from Divine Mysteries?

[turbid dagger]

So I just found
A crazy fucking official paizo dev ruling https://paizo.com/threads/rzs428y0?Finesse-weapons-with-tripdisarm#9

[warped orbit]

What

[rustic cape]

From 2018, though

[warped orbit]

Oh it's the old one

[rustic cape]

So I don't know if I would count that as meaningful at this point

[warped orbit]

This was later errata'd to explicitly not be the case

Though I'm personally in favour of finesse maneuvers

[rustic cape]

2018 was still more in the era of "paizo devs just sorta make shit up and then it becomes a whole big thing"

[turbid dagger]

Oh can you link the errata
A west march I'm in just implemented it lollll

[rustic cape]

I feel like just the fact that it's pre-remaster and the remaster says nothing of the sort is pretty clear

[warped orbit]

I think it's fine to do personally, but the most recent ruling has explicitly been against Dex to maneuvers

I think it's fine to let it, especially with agile also applying to maneuvers now

Also gives stuff like Bladed Scarf more of a niche

[rustic cape]

Yeah I don't think there's a balance issue

With letting dex-without-strength be ever-so-slightly-less-mediocre

[turbid dagger]

Unfurling Brocade....
But also I think my pals who run it would like to know if there was an errata, and id like something to point at

[warped orbit]

I'll need to look a bit later , on phone rn

[tribal vortex]

Your skin disintegrating into golden light is certainly metal

[frank crystal]

So for my upcoming session’s boss fight my PCs will get a magic item that changes depending on who’s using it

And this magic item is intended to scale by level like an artifact

I’m wondering now what would be a good magic item for each of these character builds:

drifter gunslinger

Wave order healer druid

Distant grasp psychic

Crossbow precision ranger

Water and air kineticist

[echo briar]

Could you just make it a relic?

[frank crystal]

Yah that’s what I plan to do

I just want to make it specific for the PC

[echo briar]

I mean, all of them are alive. Give them a life relic.

[limber comet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8T4bMosOVU

[rustic cape]

Really, he named his axe "the blackaxe"?

Grow an imagination, treerazer

Or did you chop that down with all the trees

[turbid dagger]

The way I see it, the more powerful your magic weapon the more simplistic its name gets to be

Is blackaxe a simple name? Yes
But if anyone else named theirs that they'd be posers

[rustic cape]

I agree but a name can be appropriately simple and also suck

[craggy thunder]

Honestly I find 'the black axe' evocative

guy is called treerazer

the black is probably soot from him burning shit

oh it's one word that's

immediately less cool

[warped orbit]

did someone say [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]?

[turbid dagger]

You know whats interesting
The big spread for spore war says its 11 to
18?

Oh wait, the third book STARTS at 18

What an odd way to phrase that

So yes no weirdness you assumedly hit 20 at the end and kill his dog ass

[rapid wagon]

is treerazer actually a real character?

or are people meming

[turbid dagger]

Yes, that's actually his name
He's a demon lord called tree razer
He razes trees

Well really, he infects them with like, mold, usually

[rapid wagon]

like thats all he does?

he just has major beef with trees?

[turbid dagger]

Well, his narrative position is thus-
He is the former servant of Cyth Vsug, a very powerful demon lord, and pissed them off to become a baby demon lord himself
But unlike normal demon lords, hes not pseudo-immortal, so he fled the abyss to keep Cyth Vsug from killing him
Where he got spat out for reasons I forget is Kyonin, the big Country Of Elves and a giant forest

[warped orbit]

aspiring demon lord

[turbid dagger]

He claimed part of it, creating the infested woods called Tanglebriar, and is trying to spread that corruption further

So he's anti-tree mostly cuz he got dropped into a place with lots of nature

[echo briar]

In ||SoT|| there is a tournament where there are 3 rounds, with the players choosing 2 of their members to fight in each round. In between rounds, the party has 5 minutes to prepare, explicitly stated to be spaced so that the party cannot treat wounds. If a player fights in round one, should they be able to skip round two to treat wounds on themselves in the 10 minutes between rounds 1 and 3?

[rapid wagon]

was he called treerazer before or after being deposited in kyonin

was he just a demon called tree razer once upon a time who didn't care at all about trees until one day

[echo briar]

The time between rounds being 5 minutes instead of like 1 makes it seem like this has to have been intended, but it seems weird

[solar storm]

That seems reasonable

[turbid dagger]

Well, he started as a vassal to Cyth Vsug, who is the demon lord of parasites and fungus, so he might have been in charge of a smaller subset of his portfolio
But no, we don't know if he was always called that or only took the name after invading kyonin

[clever cobalt]

Notably he also has an existing statbloxk

That precedes Mythic 2e rules

[limber comet]

Tbf that's because he's a nascent demon lord, not a fully fledged nasty

[clever cobalt]

Yeah

Still, he's CR 25 iirc

https://2e.aonprd.com/Monsters.aspx?ID=3218&Redirected=1

[surreal basin]

Is spore wars gonna be a mythic campaign?

[turbid dagger]

At first glance, no?

Maybe it'll be a lil secret

They've been sneaky before

But looking at the blurb its not 'GO CRAZY WITH OUR FIRST MYTHIC CAMPAIGN' or anything

[rustic cape]

Is there a reason the major staff of tempest costs like ... 10,000 more gp than other 14th level staves?

[surreal basin]

Maybe the ignoring the concealed

[rustic cape]

It seems odd because the greater version is the same price as other staves of its level

[vast burrow]

Wow, Arazni looks a lot better now in Divine Mysteries

(In terms of not looking like a severely depressed vampire anyways)

[frank crystal]

What do they look like now?

[vast burrow]

Taken from How It's Played

[frank crystal]

Oh nice

[warped orbit]

I did like her previous look too

[vast burrow]

Yeah, this design is probably more distinctively "Arazni", but I'm happy she got healthier

[rustic cape]

Oh hi Utena

[eager mountain]

It’s made of obsidian, and weeps acid

[eager mountain]

Ye

He’s ridely, but with an axe

He’s been around for a while in pathfinder

Since early 1e

[rustic cape]

Wine aunt Nocticula :D

[crystal walrus]

is her symbol still... weird?

[silver geyser]

Wooo! Loving the new look!

[rustic cape]

XD

Yes, it is

This guy's cool

Asmo looks maybe a little too obviously conniving but I'm pleased he no longer looks like a truck

yes this is good

Nethys looks way more goth now

Apsu y u look so silly

Besmara looks like someone's OC and I am here for it

This is Brigh

https://tenor.com/1Wqj.gif

This too

Okay so the Devourer is made from a fusion of a small piece of Rovagug with Gorum's armor

What a guy

Embaral is just a guy

[warped orbit]

damn, that sure is Some Guy™️

[sinful gyro]

Nice slippers

[vast burrow]

Yep that's, that sure is one of a guy

[rustic cape]

She cool

Pahti Coatl rad

I could not tell you why I find this demon lord so funny

[silver geyser]

Oh shit, is Lissala back?!

[rustic cape]

Divine Mysteries has a lot of gods, yeah

I'm just going through finding art that especially grabs my attention

[silver geyser]

Fair.

[rustic cape]

Like this joker

[silver geyser]

Lissala coming back might become a big deal. It'd mean Nethys isn't the only deity of magic around anymore.

HELL YEAH, THE FIRST LINNORM

[sinful gyro]

Kinda wish he looked a bit more demon souls-y

[warped orbit]

if she was gone before, might not necessarily be back
Divine Mysteries just also has a bunch of info on some dead or otherwise missing gods

[rustic cape]

Re: Lissala

[warped orbit]

there's a deity block for Aroden now too

despite him of course still being super dead

[silver geyser]

OK, we're still in status quo for her.

[warped orbit]

Aroden edicts and anathema

Edicts: Create inventions and make innovations, record history, support your fellow humans, work toward your goals and destiny

Anathema: Destroy historical texts or records; sabotage another’s attempts to achieve their destiny; undermine civilization through assassination, theft, and other societal ills

[rustic cape]

Hell of a guy

[silver geyser]

Hell yeah, Korada keeps his 1e art.

[silver geyser]

Speaking of 1e, have him.

[warped orbit]

the anathema feeling so very ironic for Aroden

[silver geyser]

Incredibly so.

I think he did all of those Anathema, come to think of it.

[rustic cape]

Note a lot of these gods are covered only briefly -- the Inner Sea Gods get full write-ups with boons and whatnot, some other prominent gods get a page each, and then they have big sections for groups/types of gods

Hell of a guy

[silver geyser]

But yeah, Lissala being in a ??? state is an actual point because there's stuff like her Herald slowly rotting and having to stave that off by consuming other outsiders.

So whatever is happening with her probably isn't good.

[rustic cape]

Not a god, just some lady

Beeg

Can you pet the Zarongel

[silver geyser]

I wish to boop this creature.

[rustic cape]

Apparently he hates dogs

[warped orbit]

is this one of the Barghest gods of the Goblins?

[rustic cape]

Yeah

He is known as "the Bark-Breaker"

[warped orbit]

makes sense then

I also recently found out on the reddit that apparently goblins can become Hero-gods when they die, if the Barghest gods find them worthy

[rustic cape]

Caw caw motherfucker

Yeah there's mention of a couple of hero gods

Although it says nothing about requiring barghest esteem

Just the collective adoration of other goblins

Here's one

[warped orbit]

from what I read, you basically need to avoid having your soul devoured by the barghests

and also having earned enough fame and recognition from other goblins

[rustic cape]

She looks nice

Hell of a guy

[warped orbit]

neat things I also read about the similar bit with orcs being able to challenge their gods when they die
apparently a lot of new orcish gods spend a long time not revealing themselves after ascending

[warped orbit]

favored weapon Barricade Buster, woo

[rustic cape]

Hmmmmmmm

Ah, there's specific information on a whole bunch of pantheons

Not all of which contain gods proper

(Technically all the pantheons do but there are also "divine covenants" that obey the same principles)

... there's a spell that lets you trap your psyche against people who try to mess with it

New domains

[warped orbit]

oh wow they actually reprinted Abomination

it was only in AV previously

[craggy thunder]

cayden's church gaslighting us into thinking his chosen weapon is a rapier when that's clearly a saber

[warped orbit]

though I believe Nhimbaloth is still the only god that has it lmao

[craggy thunder]

YEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHH

[echo briar]

Anything on asmodeus’s brother? Is any part of his godsrain prophecy true?

[rustic cape]

The Dragon Focus spell involves ... shooting tiny dragons at people???!!!

Duration 1 minute
You shape energy into a small group of tiny dragons (or other
serpentine creatures) that flit around you. Choose fire, force,
mental, or spirit damage when you Cast the Spell. For the
duration of the spell, your Strikes with weapons or unarmed
attacks deal 1 additional damage of the chosen type, as the
dragons add their energy to your attacks. You can Sustain
the spell to change the damage type. In addition, you can
Sustain the spell to have the dragons fly off to bombard a
creature within 60 feet. That creature takes 2d4 damage of
the chosen type (basic Reflex save). Once the dragons have
been used in this way, they wink out of existence and the
spell ends.
Heightened (+1) The additional amount of damage from
the dragons increases by 1 and the damage dealt by the
dragons’ bombardment increases by 2d4.

Okay so by default it gives you a damage bonus but you can use an action to shoot dragons at people

That's cool

Look at this coolguy

[limber comet]

Furry

Real...

[rustic cape]

Mortal Herald looks very cool and also it has eight billion feats

I think it is gonna be tempting for a lot of characters and that will be very much by design

@eager mountain This has your vibes

[warped orbit]

WoW character ass design

From what I read, Time also has a much less debilitating curse now ironically

Which might make it pretty good

[limber comet]

I really really wanna know about blight oracle raaaagh

[rustic cape]

Ping me in like two hours

Taking the dog out right now

[wary yoke]

Neat, the 2E version of snapdragon fireworks

I appreciate that even the dead gods have their writeups listed

[frank crystal]

I’m wondering now what would be a good magic item for each of these character builds:

drifter gunslinger

Wave order healer druid

Distant grasp psychic

Crossbow precision ranger

[craggy thunder]

I wonder how the hell you'd balance a revolver in 2e

[rustic cape]

What level?

[frank crystal]

7-8

though Im asking more what would be good effects for them

I wanna make my own for them

[rustic cape]

Oh okay

So not pre-existing items

Because tbh the best answer for all of them is boots of bounding

[frank crystal]

What are those?

[rustic cape]

+5 item bonus to speed, +5 horizontal leap distance, some other stuff for jumping

7th level item

[frank crystal]

Also I think so far I’ve got these ideas:

The Gunslinger gets light armor that increases step distance by +5 feet, increasing as they level

The ranger gets a floating shield which while functioning as a buckler allows them to take cover like if it’s a tower shield

Also in general these items are cursed and and give them immortality from aging but still can and will inevitably die from a violent death but that’s more flavor then anything

[rustic cape]

You know

It occurs to me that animists can maybe use prepared and spontaneous methods of staff stuff?

[frank crystal]

Huh

[rustic cape]

Since they have both

Which seems pretty good

[frank crystal]

Yah very

Hmm, what’s a strong magic item effect for casters and kineticists?

They work on such a different axis from martials I don’t know what to give them

Especially since I want them to be like, unique for them and not just a genericly good effect

[rustic cape]

I like staves

I think staves might have a unique interaction with animist

Since animist is both a prepared and spontaneous caster

That's cute

[frank crystal]

Hmm, I think for my druid an item that lets them turn into a water elemental for a minute?

[rustic cape]

That might end up being redundant if they go for shapeshifting already

[frank crystal]

They’re not

They’re a wave druid who’s focusing on healing

For the psychic, they’re a distant grasp psychics which mostly focuses on blasting, so maybe something that lets them like, chuck themselves or others?

[wary yoke]

I recently did some preliminary advanced firearms for our setting

Fourgun (level 2)
[Rare][Concussive][Fatal d10][Kickback][Repeating]
Price 20 gp; Damage 1d6 P; Bulk L
Hands 1; Range 30 ft.; Reload 0
Type Ranged; Category Advanced; Group Firearm
Ammunition: 4-Cartridge cylinder

Sixgun (level 2)
[Rare][Agile][Concussive][Fatal d8][Repeating]
Price 22 gp; Damage 1d4 P; Bulk L
Hands 1; Range 40 ft.; Reload 0
Type Ranged; Category Advanced; Group Firearm
Ammunition: 6-Cartridge cylinder

Along with lever-actions, though Capacity makes those pretty easy to keep in line

Though I do really like the name of the sawed-off modification, 'centaur's leg'

[surreal basin]

Speaking of Aroden having a stat block for a cleric

I want to make a character now who still worships aroden, part of a culture or a long lived person that keeps the old faith

And now they have an exemplar esque divine spark but they’re using it to replicate aroden’s magic to let themselves be a cleric of him again

[sinful gyro]

Oo I did a similar thing

I did make them a bit of a dick

But they had this huge shield with an eye on it

"True faith wouldn't end at death" is a fun vibe

[rustic cape]

I am a bit unhappy that Divine Mysteries keeps the "not worshipping a specific patron god is extremely rare and subject to GM approval" bit for champions and clerics

They give us a whole bunch of cool pantheons and also of covenants that don't even necessarily have gods in them

Which is great

But then sort of softly discourage you from using them?

I think at most non-PFS tables that will get ignored but.

Still bugs me.

[eager mountain]

https://fixupx.com/ZoranTheBear/status/1855010155244515414/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1855010155244515414&currentTweetUser=ZoranTheBear

[surreal basin]

Where did this meme come from?

[frank crystal]

I really want to see Treerazor do the Gojo pose and say “nah, I’d raise”

[limber comet]

Huh, looks like a fanmade Reign of Winter conversion guide is up on pathfinder infinite

[eager mountain]

Thurston hillman I think

[echo briar]

Nethys finally updated

[turbid dagger]

The secret is that the Slide Pistol is basically just a single action revolver mechanically

[craggy thunder]

lol

[true delta]

I thought Fafnir was the first linnorm.

[wary yoke]

Speaking of guns, I was playing Deadlands yesterday and was reminded of ghost-loading (using the mechanics of a lever-action to load in extra rounds, one in the barrel and one on the loading gate), what level class feat would something like that be for gunslingers? Since it’s too specific to be a general feat

[keen raptor]

The pepperbox too. Just with three chambers instead of five or six.

[upbeat ridge]

Oh yeah, I wanted to ask, now that we’ve had some time, how strong is barbarian now that it’s lost its -1 to ac when raging?

[rustic cape]

It’s about as strong as ever, which is to say, really strong

[clever cobalt]

Looks like Mythic Automation is finally up

[solar storm]

On Foundry?

[clever cobalt]

Ye

[rustic cape]

Did they get any Animist automation?

[clever cobalt]

No clue

[upbeat ridge]

Stronger than fighter?

[surreal basin]

Not really

Legendary Weapon prof is crazy

And fighter gets the best selection of martial feats in the game

Non-crit damage output the Barb probably ekes ahead

[rustic cape]

I would not say ekes

But yeah fighter probably wins on account of crits

[surreal basin]

Mmm yeah but I’m just not comfortable saying definitively because of the potential of some fighter builds

• if you factor in the increase hit chance

Anywho yeah I wouldn’t call it like

Objectively better than fighter

Fighter is one of the strongest classes in the game

But it fills its role of flat damage god

[rustic cape]

Fighter is the most reliable class in the game

And that is very potent

[novel merlin]

Barb gets access to elemental damage, temp hp, and a lot of athletics/grapple that fighter doesnt

It's more diverse

[rustic cape]

But 10% higher chance to hit and to crit is big

Both have their virtues

[turbid dagger]

I recently realized a free hand fighter with an agile attack basically gets mixed maneuveur at level 2 and that really turned me around on grappler fighter
If you trip and combat grab someone with an agile weapon, off guard and fighter prof offsets the -4 MAP
I'm eager to give it a try, it seems ridiculously potent

[rustic cape]

And later on Agile Grace

[rustic cape]

Hm, for an animist with only 1 stance, does cycle of souls of echoing channel make more sense?

[echo briar]

Other than how many spellslots an oracle has, what errata do you think is most needed?

[turbid dagger]

Well, battle oracle is widely regarded to No Longer Function

[echo briar]

I feel like they need to actually define what an instance of damage is

[thorny berry]

yeah depends on what the scale of what's meant by 'errata' is really because oracle just kinda needs another full swing taken at it imo

[limber comet]

I think oracle as it is is just fine

[fossil temple]

Me and my Sister GM been thiking, after the remaster, which class is the best for a necromancer play? (not necessarely using the necromancer archetype)

[limber comet]

Well

The wizards+ homebrew product has a necromancer wizard alternate class feature that replaces drain bonded item

[solar storm]

I was gonna say Wizard even without Wizards+

[errant roost]

Is Wizards+ first party?

[steel blade]

nah, all the (Class)+ stuff is by Team+, a third party group

but it's all highly praised and even Paizo acknowledges them as solid iirc

[lost bluff]

Hey I could use some input. I'm thinking of introducing a sort of "sub-ancestry" thing, that can be taken in addition to normal ancestry. Likely with fewer total feats but at similar levels due to elements of the story of the game I'm running and how at least one of the player character's would relate to it. Is there anything I can check for reference or any ideas for how to structure it here?

[wary yoke]

That sounds like a versatile heritage

[trail nova]

Yeah, I concur. Either a "versatile" heritage or a heritage/lineage feat with a lot of feats that have it as a pre-requisite.

[echo briar]

Nethys lists the tricky pick as marital now. Is that a mistake, or was that changed in PC2?

If it's supposed to be martial, then its just an objectively better pick now

[fossil temple]

Thank
Which subclass you would pick?

[limber comet]

School of the Boundary

[fossil temple]

Thank

[steel blade]

it's Advanced in PC2, so AoN has a typo

[rustic cape]

I just realized that Cycle of Souls lets you sustain a vessel spell as a free action, since you can sustain whenever you step

[solar storm]

Look at those 2 chaps doing it with sticks

[worthy stump]

Marital weapons require the Married or Divorced backgrounds for full proficiency /s

But yeah, AoN’s got quite a few mistakes with the PC2 update- lots of typos, wrong descriptions, entire feat details switched around, etc

Which, y’know. Understandable, given the sheer volume of the update. There’s like, 1001 feats in PC2

[crystal walrus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/1fb39ux/ive_prepared_stat_blocks_for_a_generic_npc/

someone was saying there's no official npcs for classes

and i'm inclined to agree, here's some fanmade content in the meantime

[craggy thunder]

Oh yeah did what aon said they were gonna add this weekend get added?

God that’s a dogshit way of phrasing a question lmao

[steel blade]

yes, PC2 is on aon

[craggy thunder]

ayyy

Nice

[steel blade]

as is stuff from Seven Dooms for Sandpoint aka AP #200

there's evidently some issues though, seeing as the tricky pick is marked as martial on aon, but it's still advanced in PC2

[thorny berry]

'tricky pick? I find it quite simple actually'

[frank crystal]

So a player who’s joining my campaign is gonna play an exemplar nodachi barrows blade mauler build

[turbid dagger]

Funny, I know someone whose going for that exact thing alsp

[frank crystal]

oh cool

[echo briar]

Has anyone played with the remastered oracle yet? What do you think of it?

[fossil temple]

Thinking in running abomination vault until boyfriend prepares a huge campaign based off Kingmaker
It's gud?

[limber comet]

Abomination Vaults is regarded quite highly for 2e adventure paths, so yes

[fossil temple]

Perfect, will start to read and prepare for foundry, thank ya

[rustic cape]

AV is fantastic

And the Foundry implementation of AV is godlike

[fossil temple]

I gonna use the free version, the paid i heard it's great
but 60$ atm is not on the plans, but maybe in the future!

Thank ya

[solar storm]

I have

Actually the same character pre- and post remaster in oracle

[craggy thunder]

What're your thoughts?