Pathfinder

[frank crystal]

Ah ok

[vast burrow]

So hopefully that means new feats

[frank crystal]

He is on their doorstep

Razing trees

[vast burrow]

Yup, that checks out

[clever cobalt]

Yeah it-s pretty explicity an Elf AP

[turbid dagger]

Yeah Treerazer's hangout is basically a magical chernobyl on the edge of The Elf Country

[surreal basin]

Hopefully fleshwarps are gonna get level 17 feats next

Seriously impossible lands, why did you do that

[clever cobalt]

Fleshwarps aren't in the PC2 sadly

At least iirc

[surreal basin]

Or no

That was mwangi

That had a bunch of ancestries with no capstone feats

[clever cobalt]

Not IL had some Fleshwarp stuff

[trail nova]

Still kind of think Ancestry, Skill, and General feats should just be one big pile.

Bump up what base ancestries give you a bit, make skill feats a bit stronger on average, have fun.

(If skill feats were actually a "non-combat bucket", I'd vote to keep them seperate, but they've got a lot of combat tools.)

[thorny berry]

I really hope the oracle feats get posted soon, I'm pretty wary of what I've heard so far

Like at baseline moving from 3 slots to 4 slots but with less distinction and juice in the actual subclasses is the opposite of the direction I was hoping for

especially if they're pretty generous with cursebound feats not having a ton of curse prerequisites and it just moves towards picking the least-impactful curse

life and battle oracle sort of fundamentally sitting you on your ass and making you rethink how you play the class was to me pretty compelling

ancestor, too, even if its version didn't exactly work

[vast burrow]

Wait did PC1 ancestries get these benefits?

It'd be weird if they didn't but I don't actually remember anyone talking about them before

[surreal basin]

They did

[surreal basin]

Iirc each curse gets a special cursebound action

[vast burrow]

Sweet

Most important addition of the remaster

[thorny berry]

the one people are saying Battle gets is, uh

temporarily gain proficiency with martial weapons that must be either sustained 1 or is sustained if you hit with an attack

doesn't include their old attack or damage bonus, just proficiency

like I said I really want to see the exact text before doomsaying too much- especially what class feats are locked behind the battle mystery

but man I really wanted to play a battle cavalier with bespell weapon at some point

which I guess one could just do with warpriest now but it's not quite the same

[vast burrow]

Oh this is really interesting, a "Improve success into a critical success against X" feat that actually accounts for class abilities that do the same thing

It feels pretty bad taking something that gives you an effect like this only to have it be invalidated by a future class feature so I'm glad something like this exists now, which hopefully sets a precedent for future abilities in the same vein

Well I'll be damned

[barren cipher]

yeah this is nice actually

[warped orbit]

that one is their focus spell, not the cursebound action

still pretty bad though

their previous focus spell Call to Arms, is apparently their free cursebound action

[thorny berry]

that is... also not particularly compelling as a unique bonus

and doesn't even particularly incentivize them to 'battle' really compared to just popping it on somebody that hangs back as a full caster

[warped orbit]

yeah no, I do think Battle got pretty dunked on

[thorny berry]

like unless it has some banger unique feats

I guess you just hope that you can cobble together battle-like abilities from various universal cursebound feats and pick a curse you can just ignore

again not really the overall direction I was hoping for with the class

[wooden orbit]

God, imagine the horror of just chilling in the middle of winter in your trench enjoying this moment of silence when a roaring flaming portal opens and a heavily armored Orc fighter or barbarian, and a Changeling Elf witch come bursting out of it immediately choosing violence. And you have no fucking clue why you're being targeted, or who these strange beings are

[clever cobalt]

But you have a gun

[vast burrow]

They simplified the Oracle to make it easier for new players, which it did, but it came at the cost of....kinda losing it's main identity?

Now it's just kind of a Sorcerer with the ability to break the action economy a little for a debuff

[wooden orbit]

Gun don't mean shit to magic when I'm currently in the process of fumbling the rifle and panicking.

[surreal basin]

I mean what was it’s main identity

Getting poorly balanced curse effects in exchange for not being able to actually properly use your focus spells?

Idk, pretty universally people said Oracle was really hard to use

[vast burrow]

I guess what I was trying to say is, they're a lot more samey to the other casters now than they once were

With the loss of stuff like the Mystery Benefits and whatnot

As people have already said, the most obvious change is to the Battle Oracle, which lost their martial benefits

[thorny berry]

yeah and honestly like. I don't think the game needed more four-slot casters than it had

imo caster design is at its strongest when they're willing to juice their other class features more

(of course cursebound feats sound strong so maybe they just get to have their cake and eat it in which case why ever play a divine sorcerer)

[surreal basin]

(I think there’s only one other 4 slot)

Play a divine sorcerer to not have to deal with a curse

[vast burrow]

Also wait Sentinel no longer scales to Master

NOOOOO 😭

My plate armor dreams, crushed

Oh wait no that's for unarmored defense only

False alarm

(Credits to SwingRipper's video)

Also huh the Champ Dedication kinda had a half nerf half buff, on one hand, no more instant Heavy prof, on the other it auto-scales like Sentinel

[warped orbit]

it's mostly worse for casters again

[echo briar]

The unarmed defense clause seems pointless

It applies to monk and no one else

And they have multiple reasons to not wear armor

Everyone else who only has unarmored defense maxes out at expert at lvl 13

What could it possibly be future proofing for, that they don’t care if they wear armor before level 13, but can’t allow them to be good with armors after level 13

[frank crystal]

Are revenants in PF2E obviously undead?

[barren cipher]

yeah, i think they're supposed to be

[frank crystal]

Alright

[turbid dagger]

The point is that it, yeah, applies to monk, really
It does have multiple reasons to not wear armor but should platemail monk give the most AC a lot of those will go by the wayside
Stumbling Stance is one of the best stances anyway

[frank crystal]

Platemail monk sounds, strange

[eager mountain]

uflen are a human ethnicity yeah

theres not been much of p2e that deasl with iresen currently , atleast not outside of pathfinder society mabye

[frank crystal]

Oh shit did she still die during the Russian revolution then?

Just revived?

[eager mountain]

yeah

( gm core)

[frank crystal]

Goddamn

[eager mountain]

world guide

asssss far as I know , thats the most shes mentioned in the entire p2e so far

[frank crystal]

Fair enough

I was mostly just curious because she’s an actual historical figure and not just a normal NPC

And unlike Rasputin wasn’t really one with a lot of legends surrounding her

[rustic cape]

Baba Yaga is trying something new is all

[heavy mesa]

Baba Yaga doesn’t really care all that much about Irrisen because she created it as an object lesson in why people are selfish cowards

If they weren’t they would have overthrown the intentionally ludicrously unjust system she put in place

That they haven’t done so confirms every low opinion she has of civilization and people at large

Which is why she visits it only once a century to feed upon the queen

[rustic cape]

I’d love to see a 2E follow-up to the Rasputin adventure

[heavy mesa]

I want to see what would happen if all of Avistan’s queens met each other at a party

[rustic cape]

… that could be great, yeah

Anastasia totally out of her depth

[sinful gyro]

I dunno, I think she could could in her element there

No magic or whatever, just good old fashioned political back stabbing

[rustic cape]

That would be funny yeah

I’m now envisioning an AP where after getting Anastasia’s attention with some feat of small-time heroism, the PCs get hired to be her … retainers? Bodyguards? Personal ninjas? And the AP centers around politics and the developing conflict between her and the old-school witches. The party for queens serves as a mid-game interlude that gets everyone out of the country for a minute so things can get weird.

“Why does Anastasia hire a group of level 2 adventurers?” Because she has mostly learned she cannot trust insiders to Irrisen’s power structures.

[carmine egret]

How's the Redemption Cause look?

[trail nova]

Please include Eutropia as a major character at the party, I feel like she would make a cool "mentor" to Anastasia - "How to rule a country with people who want you dead" (And or "how to deal with living because of adventurers raising you")

[rustic cape]

Who is Eutropia?

[trail nova]

Taldor's ruler

[rustic cape]

Ah okay

[trail nova]

(I have a healthy interest in the WftC AP. I can be trusted with more lore on Taldor.)

I will say that I miss the Campaign Setting line, it was nice for giving very in-depth lore

[clever cobalt]

Also a good excuse to include Earth stuff

[heavy mesa]

Yeah i think Eutropia and Anastasia would hit it off

Not least because they’ve both died once before

Meanwhile Abrogail over at the wine table wondering why they’re not backstabbing each other yet

And Belimarius and Sorshen having toxic lesbian hate-romance vibes with each other

Y’know i just realized that in Avistan, the female rulers are on average more active than the male ones

Or at least more prominent

[trail nova]

Also both of them are a lot more familiar with sexism than like 90% of Golarion.

Taldor's not as bad as 1900s Russia, but it's a lot worse than most of Golarion.

[warped orbit]

So Monk archetype Flurry has a 1d4 rounds recharge now

Have a feeling that's gonna kill Monk archetype for most unarmed builds

Whirling Throw also has Attack now

[turbid dagger]

Honestly that feels fair
The flurry thing
It's always stuck out as being weird as something other classes can steal wholesale

[warped orbit]

I do mostly agree, but mostly the random aspect feels a bit bad

It also mostly means you'll get to use it probably once in most fights maybe twice if you get lucky

[silver geyser]

I feel like she ignores that people are scared witless of pissing her off when it comes to this.

[heavy mesa]

Yeah that’s pretty much the case

[young chasm]

i use this and it works p well

https://maxiride.github.io/pf2e-encounters/#/

[heavy mesa]

Irrisen is the latest in a long line of excuses that Baba Yaga makes to herself so she can justify being a curmudgeonly old recluse

[young chasm]

not every creature is in this program but also like. encounter difficulty scales off creature level so you can easily find another creature of the same level if the one you want isn’t listed

[clever cobalt]

Legends mention she "appreciates wit, determination, and a certain brazenness"

[silver geyser]

They do, but sometimes she will punish that exact thing as well.

[clever cobalt]

That's Baba Yaga for you

[echo briar]

Swashbuckler gets auto scalding skills!

Your choice of your style skill or acrobatics at levels 3, 7, and 15

[warped orbit]

also Dragonblood heritage apparently has an equivalent to Scales of the Dragon as an ancestry feat at 1

so that could be a great boon for AC fixing for casters and Monks

[rustic cape]

I think it’s gotta be called the Queens Ball

The gathering of queens discussed earlier

Everyone’s ninjas are in attendance covertly as guests

So the party meets their equivalent numbers from all over

[turbid dagger]

AAAAAAAAA??

[echo briar]

Dragonblood appears to be the new “adopted by gnomes”

That’s a lot of AC for every unarmored class

[warped orbit]

It's big for casters yeah

Much easier than messing around with armor

[rustic cape]

Oh slick

Wonder if I can persuade my GM to let my Wolf Stance Thief do that somehow …

I think we’re gonna kill a dragon in the near future maybe I could work it in somehow with that

She probably won’t allow it but

Would be nice

[turbid dagger]

Dragon Communion 😌

[rustic cape]

The trouble is I got reincarnated as a gnome

I took dromaar to keep my orc feats

So I’d have to persuade the GM that somehow killing a dragon turns me back into an orc

[thorny berry]

pretty incredible boon to dragon stance monks

who might currently hold the prize for worst MAD in the game (gotta be able to demoralize for dragon roar!)

[frank crystal]

I feel like dragon monks just, gotta sacrifice AC

It’s just one of those things they gotta do if you want to use the stance

[barren cipher]

you can do drugs about it to a certain extent

[frank crystal]

You mean alchemy?

[barren cipher]

yeah, drakeheart mutagen is pretty great on strength monks

[frank crystal]

Ahhh ok

[warped orbit]

Drakeheart is pretty good for almost everyone tbh

it's basically heavy armor AC with a modest Dex investment

if you can afford to keep chugging on level Drakehearts

[thorny berry]

and also if you're either allowed to pre-buff or can eat the action cost of chugging it

[warped orbit]

Shifting Spider Collar can also fix that, but that does also take a few levels

[thorny berry]

oh huh that's neat

[silver geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-batman-juiced-pumped-gif-15050029

[rustic cape]

My gm pointed out that PF has a beer can hat for potions the other day

[warped orbit]

PF1 also had a much worse version of that

[solar tendon]

pf1e had a divine fighting style for cayden cailean where you used a cup as a club and you could drink potions out of your cup super efficiently

[surreal basin]

OH YWAH THE DRINKING COAT

[warped orbit]

sipping jacket is just so silly

I can't really imagine how you're supposed to drink a potion out of it

also wearing a soggy super absorbent coat sounds uncomfortable as hell

[worthy stump]

you drink it through your skin, yum

[sinful gyro]

Ah dune coat

[turbid dagger]

ITS REAL
tHE ONE PIECE IS REAL

Genuinely gamechanging

[sinful gyro]

This for kobolds?

[worthy stump]

the new dragonblood one

[warped orbit]

Dragonblood

[sinful gyro]

Cool

[clever cobalt]

Does it scale with Unarmored Prof?

[turbid dagger]

Yes, it doesnt count as any armor
Your base item bonus and dex cap for being unarmored just changes

[clever cobalt]

Nice

[frank crystal]

That’s so good

Holy shit that’s so nice to have

[upbeat ridge]

yeah, this is really good, maybe busted?

great for str monks

[barren cipher]

it's +1 ac for the first 9 levels of dex monk too

[upbeat ridge]

yeah its real good

maybe a liiiitle too strong

[turbid dagger]

Scales of the Dragon is a level 4 class feat so perhapssssssssssssss
I wont turn it down though
I have no backbone, I'm loyal to whoever pays the most whatever gets me the most AC

[warped orbit]

I think it's fine personally

[rapid wagon]

if one was making like a jedi inspired sword wizard type character, would magus be the way

or would it better accomplished some other way

having that wandering ronin flavor mixed with mysterious magical abilities

[silver geyser]

Magus works

[trail nova]

Magus or Monk

[rapid wagon]

thinking of back up characters for myself

[worthy stump]

magus or monk, yeah

[rapid wagon]

and i must confess my love for the jedi vibes despite how overplayed they are a bit

how's hte magus play, am i enhancing myself while doing combat n stuff, or am i deliver nova damage blasts inbetween stretches of normal swording?

or something else?

[worthy stump]

the second option is the core part of magus gameplay, but you can do the first a bunch too

your big thing is using Spellstrike as two actions to both strike and deliver a spell with the attack trait with the same roll

but after you use it you need to recharge it by spending one action or using one of your magus focus spells

and you also get a stance you can get into after casting a spell or using spellstrike that gives extra damage, plus other benefits based on your subclass

[rapid wagon]

oo

they seem cool

if my paladin dies

magus has been my plan for a long time

think thatll carry into 2e

for if my champion dies

[barren cipher]

magus is great.

especially if you like particularly large numbers and buckets of dice

[rapid wagon]

just need my magus to be highly motivated to defeat the whispering way (we're mid carrion crown)

would want to take a bunch of spells to emulate like force pushing and mind tricking and stuff

[rustic cape]

I think this is reasonable, you still need +3 Dex to get full benefit and that’s not nothing

[surreal basin]

oh okay yeah

its worse than other built in armors

[turbid dagger]

The key thing is that it's not actually armor like conrasu or Nagaji 'natural armor'
So it works with monk prof

[surreal basin]

ohhhh

that'll prbably get erattad if i had to guess

[turbid dagger]

I mean
It's the same text more or less as animal hide and dragon disciples scales of the dragon
Gives the same AC and all
And those two are and always have been things that work with monk
And the natural armors mention an armor group
Cuz they're armor
And this don't
Cuz it isnt

[rustic cape]

Yeah I think it’s fine, really

[turbid dagger]

So I think str monk just gets to have a W

[surreal basin]

oh yeah i guess so

[rustic cape]

It doesn’t let you go Dex-free or anything

[surreal basin]

yeah fair enough

[rustic cape]

Especially at early levels +3 Dex is what most Strength monks were gonna have to take anyway, this just gives them a hand

[turbid dagger]

Man
I love that Linguist just gives you Multilingual twice
It could have just given you the feat one time for free but no

[turbid dagger]

I'm doing a monk that worships Gruhastha and I figured doing RKs as my Spare Monk Action might be a fun twist
So I'm doing Loremaster->Linguist->Champion (Gruhastha) for archetypes
Using Aiuvarin Multitalented to ignore the ability prereq for Champion

[barren cipher]

allegedly there is an attack cantrip that does 1d4 slashing 1d4 electrical, double damage plus persistent electric on crit, 1d4 electrical damage on miss, heightened +1 increases all damage dice

[echo briar]

That heightened clause seems like a mistake

should probably be heightened +2

[vast burrow]

Dragonblood is Uncommon?

Huh, I fully expected it to be Rare

Though I guess Nephilim are uncommon too...hmmmm

[barren cipher]

versatiles are mostly uncommon i think

[vast burrow]

Except Beastkin and Reflection

[warped orbit]

yeah I just saw that

[vast burrow]

Reflection I get, but Beastkin is a bit more questionable as to if they're rarer than half-dragon people

[barren cipher]

i think it would be marketing suicide to make dragonblood rare

[warped orbit]

gonna wait for confirmation on that

[vast burrow]

At this point what really separates Rare and Uncommon heritages

[warped orbit]

that they are literally more rare in universe

but that's kinda part of my larger quibbles about rarity

[silver geyser]

It's a flavor signal.

[thorny berry]

Except for backgrounds where the rare ones often do things that common/uncommon can't

And utility spells where stuff with a bigger potential story impact is often locked behind higher rarity

I'm not a fan of rarity either tbh

[warped orbit]

yeah I don't enjoy rarity doing double duty as both gating potentially problematic content and also serving as a literal in universe rarity indicator

it just muddles it by being both

[echo briar]

The worst part is if you want your steak rare, you need to ask your GM first

[trail nova]

At least it’s not spheres Legendary/Advanced talents, which are at least 1 of 3: Needing prerequisites, setting warping (or just supernatural, for Legendary talents for SoM), or straight up broken, occasionally worse than Vancian

[worthy stump]

that means it's canon that Golarion has more scalies than furries, i suppose /s

[surreal basin]

I’m gonna be honest

I literally never think about rarity

In any way other than like

Okay I need to ask my gm if I can take this

I like rarity as a marker for “hey this might not be suited for all games”

[echo briar]

do you think there will be a day 1 errata for player core 2 like there was for player core 1?

There's a good chunk of subclasses that will need changing, and probably at least one alchemical item that will break the game with the new alchemist, although I haven't found it

[warped orbit]

just saw a post on the reddit summing up the effects of the new Oracle curses

• ANCESTORS: Clumsy = level of Curse (you become the best crit magnet in the game);
• ASHES: not in the book;
• BATTLE: Curse 1 (Weakness 2 to spells, any resistance/immunity is suppressed), Curse 2 (-1 to savings against spells), Curse 3 (weakness to spells = your level), Curse 4 (-2 to savings against spells)
• BONES: Curse 1 (Weakness 2 to void and vitality, any immunity/resistance is suppressed), Curse 2 (-1 to Fortitude saves), Curse 3 (Weakness to void and vitality = 5 + your level), Curse 4 (-2 to Fortitude saves);
• COSMOS: Enfeebled = level of the Curse, penalty to saving throws and DCs against all forms of forced movement;
• FLAMES: persistent fire damage = level of the Curse;
• LIFE: you get a penalty to get healed by magical effects = your level x the level of the Curse;
• LORE: penalty to Perception and Will saves = level of the Curse, Curse 4 (can't speak, use Linguistic effects or communicate in any fashion with allies and Stupefied 1);
• TEMPEST: Curse 1 (Weakness 2 to electricity, immunities and resistances are suppressed, electricity effects treat you as if you were wearing metal), Curse 2 (-2 circumstance penalty to ranged attacks), Curse 3 (Weakness to electricity = 5 + your level), Curse 4 (-10 status penalty to all speeds);
• TIME: not in the book.

[echo briar]

Cosmos still has the least bad curse I see

[warped orbit]

yeah their downside is still only that they are comically easy to Grab

[thorny berry]

I still really want to see what the actual mystery-exclusive feats are

I guess I'm skeptical that differences in spell list and focus spell are going to be that different for subclass identity

and if the mystery-locked feats are pretty anemic then

welp

[limber comet]

Time not being in the book is

Yeesh

[warped orbit]

Time and Ash were printed in other books, not the APG

They might get remastered at a later time

Oh btw don't know if it's been mentioned yet
All Sorcerers apparently have a new feature that's basically Dangerous Sorcery baseline now

[turbid dagger]

Oh fascinating

[thorny berry]

oh wow

I don't hate it though if only because, well

[turbid dagger]

Do sorcerors have enough new stuff that non-reprinted bloodlines like Phoenix will be in trouble

[thorny berry]

DS made for pretty rough competition for other stuff

[turbid dagger]

I imagine the answer is no but just checking

As I am deeply in love with phoenix sorc

[surreal basin]

Oh my god life Oracle is FUCKED

[warped orbit]

Dragon and Demon bloodline focus spells also no longer give natural weapons, they are now 1a spell attacks

[turbid dagger]

Huh, neat

[warped orbit]

The Dragon one can hit two targets if they are 10 feet from each other
Demon gives temp HP

[echo briar]

I mean not really. Just use medicine

[warped orbit]

Some of the bloodlines seem largely unchanged, so could still be compatible

[solar storm]

Hell yeah

They were so awkward

[warped orbit]

Phoenix is not reprinted though

Imperial also has a new focus spell

[turbid dagger]

Good! If the Underlying Bones are the same then I imagine its good
I figured it wouldnt be, thats why I asked

[worthy stump]

is elemental bloodline still the 'fire element or bludgeoning element' bloodline?

[echo briar]

It also applies to healing

[turbid dagger]

Like uhhhh
You currently Cannot Play an ashes oracle because oracles are fundamentally different now

And there is no nuAsh
But it does not seem like Sorceror has been transformed into something else

[warped orbit]

Yeah forgot to mention that

[warped orbit]

AIUI yes

[solar storm]

I think Oracle has some of the most changes

[worthy stump]

painpeko...

[warped orbit]

Though each element has a different granted spell list now

[solar storm]

I’m uh

[worthy stump]

i know a lotta my friends are gonna be discheesed with that not being changed

[echo briar]

Can elemental sorcs now choose wood and metal?

[solar storm]

I’m gonna need to redesign my Dwarf Ancestors Oracle FA Gunslinger though…

[warped orbit]

The new one is this

The memories of long-dead spellcasters grant you their knowledge, making your spells more formidable. You gain either a +1 status bonus to the next spell attack roll you attempt before the end of your turn or an enemy within 60 feet takes a –1 status penalty to the next saving throw they attempt against a spell you cast before the end of your turn. Heightens at 5th to a +2 bonus or -2 penalty. Heightens again at 8th for +3 or -3 respectively.

[solar storm]

Im not pushing that build past scaling clumsy lol

[echo briar]

Do you know the action cost of this?

[warped orbit]

Yes

[warped orbit]

1a I believe

[echo briar]

That’s reasonable

[barren cipher]

well that’s pretty damn good

[thorny berry]

oh wow

[turbid dagger]

Man, this plus the status to AC on blood magic means that Imperial is now a truly fiendish subclass my lord

[warped orbit]

Well you can just avoid cursebound actions too

[solar storm]

Yeah I need to see how it all shakes out

But it’s sounding like I’ll need to anyway because the penalty and benefits are entirely different and it was kind of a lot to get it together at all haha

[turbid dagger]

I should make an Imperial Sorc one of these days....
Crossblood Evolution Heal in and become a one stop shop

[warped orbit]

Crossblood has also changed notably

[turbid dagger]

😭

[solar storm]

I’m not exceptionally bothered by it since I like the thematics (northern Rivethun dwarf who’s become kind of an alkenstar-aboo) much more than the mechanics

[warped orbit]

Crossblood gives you access to a different blood magic effect now, Greater gives you some of the granted spells from that bloodline

[echo briar]

So heal is still on the menu, just slightly later

[warped orbit]

Does Angelic have Heal granted?

But also unless they changed the level, Greater is at 18

So a bit late

[surreal basin]

Wow that uh

Life oracle penalty is

Rough

[solar storm]

Just get those alchemical chug jugs around I guess

[warped orbit]

Curse also fully resets on Refocus now

And it's easier to avoid increasing curse

Though the Life cursebound action is apparently a decently strong 1a heal

[frank crystal]

Yah it kinda sucks for anyone playing an ashes or time Oracle

They’re just kinda fucked unless they just, don’t play the new version of the class

[pastel bane]

God, Mios is so based

[true delta]

Tbh, I don't see how playing the old version would be bad or whatever if you've already got a character.

[rustic cape]

So do we know anything about Dragonblood other than "good for unarmored characters"?

[rapid wagon]

This feel like a Jedi/Magus? https://pathbuilder2e.com/launch.html?build=816553

[upbeat ridge]

Isn’t fire oracle not that bad at all

Like aren’t you only ever taking 4 fire damage per turn

If it’s just the level of the curse

[solar storm]

Not awful but potentially very bad outside of combat

[upbeat ridge]

Uh that’s true. How do you reduce curse level?

[warped orbit]

Refocus

The persistent stops when you start Refocusing

So I'd also agree its not thar bad

[upbeat ridge]

Ok

[upbeat ridge]

That’s what I was curious about

[echo briar]

It’s really, really bad if you need to go from combat directly to something else, and don’t have time to refocus at all

But that’s not a common scenario

[thorny berry]

Oh damn

"Person of Interest (Lv2): As an action, designate someone who is not related to one of your cases. You can now use DaS against them as if they were. Cooldown of once per 10 minutes."

That's a pretty substantial investigator buff (or possibly not a buff at all depending on how permissive your GM was with pursue a lead)

[solar tendon]

dont talk to me till I've had my reconcile the conflicting or unconventional nature of your divine mystery

im very anxious about oracle haha

[thorny berry]

Same

[solar tendon]

battle oracle and mutagenist are my fav builds I think

mutagenist seem to have come out pretty well without losing what I liked about them

[thorny berry]

Yeah battle oracle was like at the top of my want to play list

As was life

[barren cipher]

pursue has been buffed as well iirc

[warped orbit]

Definitely useful to have earlier and more convenient than level 10

[solar tendon]

hm

[warped orbit]

Also yeah
It has Red Herring built in now, and you get the free action DaS if the target "could answer questions regarding your Lead" or something like that

[solar tendon]

was gonna say something about if they just want it to be hunt prey it should probably be a core class feature but the 10 minutes is a real limitation

[echo briar]

Lead “what is everyone’s name?”

[solar tendon]

idk what level 2 feats its competing with

[warped orbit]

Ehh, I'd need to check

[solar tendon]

but thats also like archetype dedications which are popular on investigator

[warped orbit]

I think mainly Shared Stratagem?

Yeah its either Shared Stratagem or the Athletics one

[echo briar]

Is the athletics one still arguably a nerf?

IE, if you’re DS is low, it forces you to use it on athletic maneuvers

[warped orbit]

You can discard your DaS now for a bonus on skill checks, but be unable to Strike the target for the round

[echo briar]

Ahh, and these aren’t strikes

[warped orbit]

It's +1 on checks, or +2 if related to your case

[echo briar]

Its not much, but it’s at least something

[rapid wagon]

oracle looking like it can still be a main healer?

[warped orbit]

It's a divine caster, so definitely yes
Especially Life

[craggy thunder]

I was unaware of the new dragonblood heritage

[sinful gyro]

New alchemist seems cool

Having a bunch of potions you can restock by refocusing

Solid system you can build around

[warped orbit]

You don't even need to actively Refocus actually

They just come back every 10 minutes automatically

[sinful gyro]

Oh even better

[rapid wagon]

is there a functional equivalent to something like the Tetori monk from 1e?

like big grapple focus playstyle

[warped orbit]

Monk has a lot of Grappling feats

Also Wrestler archetype

[rapid wagon]

i guess also the other one there was an archetype about like doing judo throws

i think... the samurai had it? Or maybe it was the monk

i dont think it was considered super good, but the flavor was real fun

and i think throwing enemies around seems entertaining

ah yeah

the lifting hand monk

https://www.aonprd.com/ArchetypeDisplay.aspx?FixedName=Monk Lifting Hand

[craggy thunder]

I can't wait for dragonblood AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I WANNA MAKE MY FIRST 5E CHARACTER BUT IN A GOOD SYSTEM

[frank crystal]

was it a dragonborn?

[craggy thunder]

Yes

Red dragonborn Eldritch Knight

Literally just

My Skyrim character at the time

Cuz I was 12

[frank crystal]

Honestly, hell yah

Imo adapting a character from whatever RPG you were playing at the time to a TTRPG is a foundational TTRPG moment

[turbid dagger]

Man
This is first world problems AF but
I wish Pinning Fire worked on Triangle Shot
Stunning Fist does 😭
I want to utterly ruin some dudes day
L+Ratio+3d6 Bleed+Stunned 1+Immobilized until your spend one action

[craggy thunder]

This is my first pathfinder pc, a skeleton magus

[echo briar]

People who have played remastered wizards, how are they now compared to preremaster?

Because its the only PC1 class thats still getting discourse

[trail nova]

I think that spell schools getting made a whitelist hurt a lot, and is just generally worse design than Wizards hitching onto a system-wide tag (even if that tag only existed for wizards)

But I haven't played.

[rustic cape]

But on the other hand, they’re still wizards.

[thorny berry]

strong agree

RIP the evocation-only homebrew class I was designing

and also the spell school archetypes that had slightly faster slot progression

the fate of battle oracle kinda has me wondering what the final version of animist is gonna look like

[echo briar]

There is a “the gm can add other appropriate spells to this list” clause, but that’s true with everything

So how much more often will it happen because they explicitly call it out, but with no guidance on how much to do it

[craggy thunder]

Do we know if dragonbloods are gonna have tails XD

[craggy thunder]

I have made a Seath the Scaleless inspired dragonblood magus

complete with moonlight sword

@frank crystal since in pms you said you liked Souls

[frank crystal]

Its him

the scaless

[craggy thunder]

lol

[craggy thunder]

Is there much 'crystal' magic in pathfinder?

[barren cipher]

https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=3773

[craggy thunder]

I meant more like crystal projectiles or barriers (this is so I can gauge how easily I can actually make the above Seath inspired magus)

[warped orbit]

there's Shattering Gem I guess

but can't think of a lot of other explicitly crystal themed spells

[upbeat ridge]

is there a heritage that just gives +5 ft speed

since im trying to noodle out what a bloomurrow campaign and awakened animal is a bit weird and doesn't exactly work out well without modification

[barren cipher]

off the top of my head i don't think so, but i'd say it would be in scope as long as it doesn't stack with ancestry feats

[upbeat ridge]

its kinda rough since if you take a versatile heritage you only have a 20 ft base speed and dont even get an unarmed attack from the ancestry

[clever cobalt]

Which ancestry?

Kholo and Automatons both get that

[sinful gyro]

Don't Elves to?

[clever cobalt]

Maybe, never played an Elf

[upbeat ridge]

elves get 30 ft speed base

[upbeat ridge]

im talking about awakened animal and using it for a bloomburrow (the new mtg set) campaign

[sinful gyro]

You can probably just tweak the folks speed and it won't be too unbalanced imo

[upbeat ridge]

and i dont think it would be 100% fitting to use it without a bit of modification

[trail nova]

Particularly if everyone is an awakened animal. Which honestly... might not be the route to go

[sinful gyro]

Like if folk being at 20 is an issue, make everyone 25

[upbeat ridge]

yeah thats what im thinking

[sinful gyro]

I think there's lots of option that work, and everyone can remain and animal / bloomburrow lore friendly

[upbeat ridge]

like what?

im looking at the awakened animal feats and theres... not much there

or at least not much that would work super well

[sinful gyro]

Catfolk, Gnoll, Grippli, Kistune, Lizardfolk, Nagaji, Tengu, Ratfolk, Shoony,

Are all options

And then anyone who wants to could take the awakened animal root instead

[upbeat ridge]

oh yeah

ratfolk and grippli is right there lmao

[sinful gyro]

I'll admit that like, Kitsune and Catfolk are a stretch

But Grippli are just frogs

[upbeat ridge]

well there are foxfolk

[sinful gyro]

Lizard folk are in Bloomburrow to

etc

Nagaji are debatable

The set has no snake people but in a secret lair we've seen Vraska became a snake

But in the lore she may have been a lizard?

So it's unclear

But like, it's still within the realm of possibility imo

But using all of those and beastkin / awakened animal, your players still have like 11 options to pick from which is plenty

[upbeat ridge]

yeah

this is all very theoretical. i dont really like dming

tried it once

and i dont think it would be op saying that if youre using awakened animal and you wanna take a versatile heritage you just have a speed of 25 base and get the unarmed attack. and if you get late awakener later on that would still change your base speed to whatever it says

[trail nova]

Strix probably too

[clever cobalt]

No Fleshwarps

[limber comet]

The idea of a fantasy ttrpg in a setting like Bloomburrow is cool but narrowing down Pathfinder's ancestry roster to just "the furries" feels like a shot in the foot ahaha

[clever cobalt]

Bloomburrow is the furry MtG setting right

/redwell inspired

[trail nova]

Yeah. More on the redwall side, the bigger animals are depicted as elemental forces of nature called "Calamity Beasts".

I think the largest reasonable PC would be a Badger?

[sinful gyro]

Sizes vary, but yeah

Rabbits can grow to be as big as them thou

Same for bats, birds, etc

[limber comet]

It's cool n all but every time I see a mtg setting get ported to tabletop I get flashbacks

[craggy thunder]

What level would you make a weapon that can be wielded with a caster's spellcasting mod?

[eager mountain]

so who we counting in this line up ?

abrogail, Eutropia , and anastasia

Sorshen

Andira Marusek , technically, despite not being a queen.

shes the supreme elect of andoran

Azaersi

would Dranoch count as a queen ?

I mean I doubt it.

[craggy thunder]

Does she have a statblock?

[eager mountain]

probably in 1e, why ?

[craggy thunder]

She's a swashbuckler with a falcata I was wondering if she had a 2e statblock to see how that worked out

[eager mountain]

since 1e , shes become the leader of Oprak , the hobgoblin nation

that formed out of the alternate ending of iron fang invasion in 1e

[heavy mesa]

Drannoch from Galt

Yeah

[turbid dagger]

She has a 1e statblock but no 2e
Since she was the final boss of a 1e AP

[heavy mesa]

Elfqueen from Kyonin

[eager mountain]

yeah ever since the Gray Gardeners were dealt with , the revolutions are calming dwon in Galt.

[heavy mesa]

Estrid the White from the Linnorm Kingdoms

[heavy mesa]

Belimarius

I forget, who’s in charge of Korvosa now that they scrapped the monarchy?

[eager mountain]

also other place you see Drannoch

😄 the geb primer

[heavy mesa]

Cressida Kroft as far as i can tell is the nominal ruler of Korvosa

[heavy mesa]

Isn’t it implied that the reason Galt can’t stop its revolution is because ||Conqueror Worms have been manipulating things behind the scenes?||

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-serious-highfive-are-you-serious-gif-5916191

||......its not implied.||

[turbid dagger]

||Yeah, though that's like the key twist/reveal of Night Of The Grey Death- its the main antag of that||

[heavy mesa]

Hmmmm, if we expand beyond Avistan we can get more prominent female rulers

Ameiko in Minkai

[eager mountain]

||like thats the whole reason the gray gardeners break apart, is becuase we killed thier worm||

[craggy thunder]

I assume the answer to your question Ham is

Half would try to kill each other

[heavy mesa]

The Empress of Goka

[craggy thunder]

Several would probably show up to the party equipped for it!

Azaersi for one does not strike me as the type to show up unarmed

[heavy mesa]

My money’s on Sorshen winning by using Dominate on the biggest killstick

[heavy mesa]

Arazni ascended to full godhood yeah?

[clever cobalt]

Yeah

She'll be one of the Core 20 come WoI

(Replacing Gorum)

[heavy mesa]

No longer eligible for the War of The Queens

[eager mountain]

former barkeep of sandpoint, current empress of goka

[craggy thunder]

I imagine the runelords might form a passing alliance, at least for the meeting

[heavy mesa]

The Runelords are like toxic lesbian rivals

[turbid dagger]

Azaersi would absolutely come ready for violence but absolutely would not start it

[clever cobalt]

The two Runelords don't really like one another

They're political rivals

[craggy thunder]

Oh she wouldn't start it

She would just show up armed to make clear

[heavy mesa]

Belimarius cannot resist one-upping anybody she feels is a peer

[craggy thunder]

'I am a level 20 swashbuckler.'

'You will not have a fun time'

[clever cobalt]

That's Envy for you

[eager mountain]

unrelated to anything

[craggy thunder]

There's a difference between like and willing to ally with to secure momentary survival

[clever cobalt]

I mean currently the biggest threat in Avistan is Tar Baphon

[trail nova]

Eutropia wouldn’t be winning any fights, but she does have a damn capable strike team

[clever cobalt]

Dunno if anyone else really compares

(At least, until the Godsrain starts)

[heavy mesa]

Yeah Eutropia’s biggest asset in combat is her squad of snakegirl assassins

[eager mountain]

heheh silly ferret dragon kami guy

[heavy mesa]

Okay she just has the one snakegirl assassin

But she’s a real go getter

[trail nova]

I feel like Diplomatic summit against Tar Baphon (with someone providing heavy security) would be a good excuse for Avistani queens at a party

[heavy mesa]

Yeah lol

[eager mountain]

have you seen the letters from abrogail to other people ?

[trail nova]

No, actually.

[heavy mesa]

Honestly i can just see Abrogail showing up trying to be Machiavellian and the rest just want to have tea

[clever cobalt]

I have not

[clever cobalt]

Honestly, "every major player in Avistan meets to go against Tar Baphon" is a cool story idea

[trail nova]

Who’s running Ravounel (or just Kintargo?)

[clever cobalt]

Like playing as Guards and whatnot to defend the national leaders involved

[clever cobalt]

Kassi is the one who invented Vaccines in Golarion yeah

[eager mountain]

Kassi is one of the reason theres a medical revolution yeah

[heavy mesa]

Yeah i don’t know why Abrogail is trying to undermine modern medicine but it seems in her wheelhouse to waste energy on pointless cruelty

Loser tier monarch she is

Cheliax shrinks a little every few APs

[eager mountain]

lol also theres mention of the licktoad goblins.

[trail nova]

I think it’s the anti-theism, but that’s weird given House Thrune’s view of them allying with the hells, not worshipping them

[eager mountain]

thier currently invading the fire plane.

[heavy mesa]

I know Cheliax is in a cold-ish war with Rahadoum over control of the western inner sea

[trail nova]

Cheliax is in a cold-ish war with just about everyone

[eager mountain]

also poog's list of dead pets

[heavy mesa]

God the worst scenario would be Belimarius taking Abrogail under her wing as a student

Because Belimarius knows how to be a petty asshole and an effective ruler at the same time

[upbeat ridge]

the bnnu

[trail nova]

This discussion of the queen ball stuff reminds me of the fanfic idea I had where Eutropia marries some Keleshite princess to let her focus Taldor’s army on Tar Baphon.

(Political marriage is one of my favorite tropes, yes.)

[frank crystal]

So my players might be fighting some high mobility mechs soon kinda based off the PCA from AC6

And I think for them I have these ideas:

A strafing run action where they move and shoot their gun

A jet ram action where they charge in a straight line forward dealing damage and knocking anyone they collide with back

A passive where when they die the pilot hops out and continues the fight

[limber comet]

Consider the pilot fleeing too

Not everyone is willing to throw their lives away

[trail nova]

Is this pathfinder with the players on foot? Or Starfinder?

Maybe a reaction where they reposition and get a defensive buff?

[frank crystal]

Yah but these pilots are meant to be proper professionals. Becoming a mech pilot in my setting means you’re already an elite (most of the time anyway)

[frank crystal]

On foot

[trail nova]

Yeah, if I loose to guys on foot with swords while in a mech, I’m not keeping that fight up while on foot myself

[frank crystal]

That’s fair

Hmm, if anything I could make it so it’s more like lancer?

Mechs on death explode and their pilots eject

They then do whatever feels right

[trail nova]

Ooh, explosive deaths is kind of cool.

[frank crystal]

Hmm, actually I think instead of that it’ll be explode after a turn

Just so they have a chance to get away

As well, I kinda wanna give them a missile rack but not make it just another range attack

So what I’m gonna do is give them an action where they designate certain points to be hit by missiles

Just to force my players to waste actions on movement

Or risk taking more damage

[eager mountain]

i have player core 2 now

any questions ?

[echo briar]

How has your day been?

[solar storm]

why'd you get it before me 😠 /s

What are some of the low level ancestors oracle cursebound feats?

[eager mountain]

oh uhh im ok

[echo briar]

Any new alchemical items?

[eager mountain]

possibly

thats all the alchemical items

@echo briar

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[frank crystal]

Is there an ash and time oracle?

[eager mountain]

doesnt seem like it

theres flames tho

[frank crystal]

Damn

[eager mountain]

ALSO HUGE BADGER

[solar storm]

Sorry I meant ancestor oracle specific stuff not the archetype

But that's interesting to see too

[eager mountain]

oh ok

[solar storm]

What's whispers of weakness do?

[solar storm]

Oh that's quite interesting

[craggy thunder]

Hmm

Do I want to make a character of every class that is inspired by a souls boss…

Since I’ve already got three

[rustic cape]

The most important question is: how does she dress for the Queens Ball

Also: perhaps the Queens Ball takes place on neutral ground, in another world entirely — like say Queens NY XD

[eager mountain]

something like this, but like for parties

[rustic cape]

Yissssss

[eager mountain]

like Capt. K P hob, but with pants

since ya know, Shes the grand general of Operak

[rustic cape]

This would give Anastasia some things to emote about

[eager mountain]

ok, but what if we extend this

To garund aswell

Anong can come ( high king of dungon hold )

[rustic cape]

Close enough, yeah!

Have some people complain about her not technically being a queen

[eager mountain]

Tessa fairwind

tho idk theres alot of people that would mean Abrogail harm in this room lol

Thira Ash-eye, linorm king

White Estrid, linorm king aswell

[vast burrow]

A funny thing I just realized with ABP is that one of the many funny builds it allows is the "Overwatch Reaper build" where you dual wield Air Repeaters, shoot them until they run dry, Release to drop both, Quick Draw x2 to grab another two Air Repeaters, and repeat until you run out of Air Repeaters or until the combat ends

I don't think it's broken(hopefully) considering Air Repeaters only deal 1d4 and don't have the Fatal trait though

This with Flurry Ranger.....

[warped orbit]

seems there is an alternative to Godless Healing in PC2

Robust Health - General Feat Level 3
When anyone successfully treats your wounds or uses battle medicine on you, you gain additional hit points equal to your level. Battle Medicine immunity only lasts one hour instead of one day.

[solar tendon]

oh wild

[warped orbit]

also just saw a post saying Marshal got buffed slightly

the aura is now always 15 feet
the check is now an easy level DC, so Assurance should be possible at most levels
no more crit success effect, but since the aura is always bigger that's probably fine

[turbid dagger]

[craggy thunder]

I have made a whole party of Dark Souls inspired characters

Set Harth, Laughing Shadow Magus inspired by Seath the Scaleless

Sefar Louba, Paladin Champion of Pharasma inspired by Sif the Great Grey Wolf

Moonlit Talan, Cloistered Cleric of Desna inspired by the Moonlight Butterfly

Garr the Greathawk, Precision Ranger inspired by Hawkeye Gough

[true delta]

Those shoes must hurt to wear

Btw, may I ask where that Linnorm king stuff is from?

I am personally very interested in Linnorms

[craggy thunder]

Invested, Magical, Rare

This +2 Striking Astral Bastard Sword’s blade appears like a mirror to an undisturbed pool of blue moonlight, and is astonishingly lightweight. A character with the Moonlit Blade invested may attack with it using their Dexterity modifier instead of their Strength modifier.
```Is this too much?

I think I may have the solution of not making it Astral, but have the Astral rune's banishing effect and just have it deal Spirit damage

[barren cipher]

finesse bastard sword seems like a lot

[craggy thunder]

Oh whoops, I forgot its two hand is d12

[barren cipher]

+2 striking is a level 10 item on its own

[craggy thunder]

True

[unborn rain]

Atheism Debuff

[rapid wagon]

sif but no artorias?

[craggy thunder]

Because Artorias would be too easy and also he's dead

[rapid wagon]

tbf, if artorias is dead, so is sif

[solar tendon]

mortal healing is still a thing at least

[craggy thunder]

?

Sif is alive during the base game, hundreds if not thousands of years after Artorias' death

[rapid wagon]

sure, but sif gets killed by the player all the same; so arguably sif is dead in the narrative current. and in the game progression, you get the opportunity to fight artorias too

[craggy thunder]

shrugs

There's also a Seath and Moonlight Butterfly character and I wanted to challenge myself by making characters that wouldn't just be direct translations

[solar tendon]

wouldn't hawkeye also be dead

but yeah it doesn't really matter

[craggy thunder]

Gough is also my one exception cuz the party needed a ranged character lmao

For the direct translation thing

But yeah Artorias would be too easy

Giant Instinct Barbarian with champ archetype

[rapid wagon]

im an absolute sucker for em, what about Ornstein?

[craggy thunder]

lack of fitting Heroforge parts

[rapid wagon]

ahh

makes sense

[craggy thunder]

Plus it'd feel weird to not include Smough

Who also lacks fitting Heroforge parts

[rapid wagon]

i almost made an ornstein homage in pf1e but ultimately tried not to emulate

[craggy thunder]

I fully intend to play my Seath one

white dragonblood magus who is a Wife Guy ™️

[rapid wagon]

How would you approach doing gravelord nito

[craggy thunder]

hmm

Skeleton obviously

Skeleton Summoner

[craggy thunder]

Invested, Magical, Rare

This +1 Striking Astral Shortsword’s unusually long blade appears like a mirror to an undisturbed pool of blue moonlight, and is astonishingly lightweight. This weapon deals Spirit damage instead of Piercing or Slashing.

[craggy thunder]

Rare, Invested, Magical, Transmutation

This +1 Striking Fanged Bastard Sword is unusually nimble in both hand and jaw, given its obvious heft and size. While being wielded by a character transformed by the Fanged property of this weapon, it gains the Parry trait.

[limber comet]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/howl-of-wild-7-108500811

Howl is going on AoN tomorrow night

[sinful gyro]

Coool

[rustic cape]

Clawdancer is extremely rad

[craggy thunder]

clawdancer?

nvm looked it up

[rustic cape]

Howl of the Wild has a ton of cool stuff yet somehow I think Clawdancer is the coolest thing

[craggy thunder]

it does look very cool

I do wish talon stance let you wield a weapon

or alternatively that there was a monk or archetype feat that let you do the spinning stand thing

[thorny berry]

I think my hesitation with clawdancer is that it seemed to treat switching between the stances as like

a big valuable action compression thing on its own

but I should probably give it another read

[thorny berry]

triggerbrand gunslinger style 'well you get three things for one action but it's not actually that impressive'

[turbid dagger]

TBH Clawdancer seems pretty good even if you stick to one of the stances
Dashing Pounce is just really nice on something like a Thief Rogue

[warped orbit]

Thief Clawdancer looks amazing

based on what I've seen of Clawdancer so far

[craggy thunder]

imho the talon feats are superior

big focuses on leaping, standing, anti-flanking

It does seem like clawdancer is going to excel in situations where enemies are in very close proximity to both yourself and each other

and you can just use all three actions to flit through them and tear out people's throats

[frank crystal]

It definitely feels designed to be a multi hitter yah

Constantly jumping between target to target dealing damage

[vast burrow]

Yooooo Barbs get a Heavy Armor feat nice

Granted it's level 8 so you probably need to be chilling in some Medium Armor in a while but eh

[frank crystal]

Cool

Honestly though I think I generally prefer medium in this game

I just don’t like feeling slow

[vast burrow]

Valid

I just love plate armor as a whole

[frank crystal]

Yah that’s fair

[warped orbit]

oh interesting

does that also let you do the free action Rage in heavy?

[frank crystal]

Also isn’t 8 when animal barb gets its unarmored armor feat?

[warped orbit]

Animal Skin is at 6 IIRC

[frank crystal]

Ah ok

[vast burrow]

Eyup

[warped orbit]

nice

that's actually really nice for Barb

[vast burrow]

No longer gotta dip into Sentinel wooooo

[warped orbit]

no more AC penalty, and in class heavy armor support

[vast burrow]

Yeah that's a damn good bit of effective health

[warped orbit]

unfortunately also another indirect L for Animal Barb, since now Animal Skin is less special

[turbid dagger]

I've encountered a very strange rules question
If a Twisting Tree Magus has Student Of The Staff and Fuse Staff
And fuse a magic staff into another magic staff
Do they count as one item or two
(For the 'you cant prep more than one staff' clause)

[vast burrow]

Not even counting the temp HP and uh

[warped orbit]

though Animal at least still has an easier time using a shield

[frank crystal]

I don’t think animal barbs are particularly gonna care about a heavy armor feat lol

[warped orbit]

yeah but my point is that one of Animal Skins big upsides was achieving heavy armor like AC

which is now much more achievable for other Instincts too

[warped orbit]

uhh, I think you can do it, but you can still only prepare one of the staves anyway

so not that useful unfortunately

that's my interpretation at least

[frank crystal]

Ahh ok

[turbid dagger]

My pal seems to think that since you can fuse them into one item you'd be able to cast spells off both
Which does not seem right but I can't actually point at anything in either feat or the staff rules that hard says 'no that doesnt work'

[warped orbit]

they are still two separate items, you just can switch between both

[turbid dagger]

That's basically where I'm at yeah

[warped orbit]

and you can only cast spells from a staff if it's prepared, and you can only prepare one staff

so I guess if they tried this, the outcome would be that they have the two staves fused, but can only cast from one of them

which is effectively the same as just wielding the prepared staff

[warped orbit]

also that is a fairly decent chunk of tHP yeah

pretty good third action

[rustic cape]

Remaster Barb just seems to be a huge winner in general

The gf's gonna be real happy when this stuff hits Foundry

[warped orbit]

definitely some strong buffs for Barb yeah

they kept most of their good things (except for Animal 😭 ) and got some other nice goodies

[turbid dagger]

The main thing Animal Barbarian lost was The Tyranny Of King Deer right

Frankly
I am alright with that
Even if they could have buffed all the other attacks instead
I just dont want Deer to be over the curve anymore so I can take Ape Barb without straight-facedly nerfing myself

[warped orbit]

mostly that, yes
but also some surrounding changes like the nerf to Monk archetype Flurry

[turbid dagger]

I was always more of a snagging strike combat grab guy myself

The ol one-two

[thorny berry]

tbh I am pro niche protection for flurry

but also flurry has always been weird because it's a marquee class feature but also depending on how you end up building you might not actually end up using it...?

[turbid dagger]

Yeah!

[thorny berry]

and I can't think of any other big class things that follow that pattern of 'class exclusive, except at 10+'

[turbid dagger]

There aren't MANY builds that will forego flurry, or ones that will do so for a lot of their runtime, but yeah
You could do one inch punch monk if you wanted
And Monastic Archer WILL dump flurry for Triangle Shot...... at level 18

[thorny berry]

blazing talon surge, gorilla pound, blazing streak, and peafowl strut all also have flourish

[warped orbit]

Champion does class exclusive except at 6 instead 😛

[thorny berry]

tbf champion at least gets niche protection on the later level enhancements on reaction

but yeah legendary defense martial problems, apparently

[warped orbit]

though funnily the Champion archetype RAW doesn't work rn
because it doesn't give you the new Champion's Aura

[thorny berry]

so clearly monk should get to flurry without MAP at 10

[warped orbit]

tbh, a Flurry enhancement at 10 or so would be neat for Monk

[craggy thunder]

Man

Some of these classes are gonna be hard to find Soulsborne characters for

[surreal basin]

Which ones?

[turbid dagger]

I did think about Peafowl Strut but figured you wont actually be using it as an all the time thing

[craggy thunder]

Alchemist, Bard, Investigator, and Inventor

Wait

Alchemist is easy

[thorny berry]

yeah peafowl in general is like

[craggy thunder]

Laurence the First Vicar

Mutagenist

[thorny berry]

I dunno it's an odd one

good at: stepping, I guess

[surreal basin]

Huh yeah that’ll do

[thorny berry]

that's about it

[craggy thunder]

Sorcerer, Witch, and Wizard are also gonna be a bit hard because Souls

[surreal basin]

Inventor works as a bloodborne character too

[craggy thunder]

Applies these titles to all practitioners of magic

[turbid dagger]

Being able to Step away for free after finishing a flurry can be a real fuck you to certain enemies, but yeah
Its a lil juiceless

The passive effect of peafowl entices me more than Strut

[craggy thunder]

Monk is gonna be... weird?

Probably not hard, but weird

[turbid dagger]

Dryleaf Dane 😛

[craggy thunder]

I'm trying to translate bestial bosses into humanoids for the additional challenge

I made Moonlight Butterfly into a Cleric of Desna

[turbid dagger]

Demon Of Hatred?

[craggy thunder]

Sif into a Paladin of Pharasma, etc

Demon of Hatred monk sounds deeply funny

Could also do Guardian Ape

[turbid dagger]

Stoked Flame Str monk seems like a good place to start

[frank crystal]

Could just do the Old Monk for the bit

Admittedly besides sharing a name dude literally just does an claw fighting style

[turbid dagger]

Old Monk would be a Summoner anyway 😛

[craggy thunder]

Nito is already the summoner

And I have plans for a claws character

[frank crystal]

Also I forget it’s only the non humanoid ones right?

No one like Gael or Melania?

[craggy thunder]

Trying to avoid them, yes

I've figured out Thaum

Wolnir

[frank crystal]

Hmm, ulcerated tree spirit oracle?

[craggy thunder]

interesting...

I could do Demon of Song for Bard lmao

[frank crystal]

I really can’t think of anything for investigator

[craggy thunder]

I did Amygdala for Oracle

And I cannot either

I think I'm just

gonna arbitrarily narrow down the list to 'shit that interests me'

[frank crystal]

Fair yah

[echo briar]

What class changed the least in the remaster? Monk?

[frank crystal]

Probably Oracle

It had its gameplay like

Fundamentally changed

Their loop is entirely different

[echo briar]

I did say least

[frank crystal]

Oh

I’m a little dumb

Uhh yah probably monk then

Did they even get any new feats?

[echo briar]

New capstone is all I know about

[frank crystal]

It’s a very cool capstone though

But yah probably monk

[echo briar]

Actually, they did add the “it’s monking time” feat, which lets you monk all over the place

[solar tendon]

ranger technically changed some but

did it really

[echo briar]

Technically, the thaumaturge changed the least

[solar tendon]

kineticist 😏

[echo briar]

Exemplar

At this point in time, they have never changed

[thorny berry]

I thought ranger would at least get an outwit change

I don't think fighter changed at all?

certainly not to any significant degree

likewise rogue changes were pretty minimal and might have been subclass specific I know ruffian's different now

[surreal sapphire]

Biggest Rogue tweak was giving proficiency in all martial weapons

[echo briar]

And increasing all save success to crit successes

[surreal basin]

Out of all the classes that HAD changes

It’s fight, right

*fighter

They only lost the open tag which was extremely rare and tended for be forgotten about

[thorny berry]

If it ain't broke and all that

Which is kinda funny for fighter being a bit of a problem child historically for d20 systems

[surreal basin]

Yeah lol
They’re just in an amazing place in 2

Their combat power is so effective it starts to skirt into narrative power, extremely flexible, and with free archetype, which is widely used, they can easily take a narratively focused archetype like dandy

[thorny berry]

narrative balance probably would be my beef with them tbh but then I feel like pf2 doesn't really balance very well on that axis across the board

[surreal basin]

That’s fair

But it’s also honestly one of the least bad dnd likes about it

[thorny berry]

No argument there.

[surreal basin]

Archetypes are available to everyone, rituals as well

And almost all world shattering bullshit is locked behind rituals that soellcasters literally can’t do alone

*spell

Cut that in with the narrative power of having AoO :3

[thorny berry]

I just need the new ICON version and somebody to actually run an in-depth campgin of it frankly

[surreal basin]

“Ah, finally, I will cast the spell to shatter the rune of darkness an-“
gets punched in the throat
Fighter: aight he’s not gonna doing that again

I genuinely think making counterspell so much more niche was a huge positive move

Turns stopping ENEMY casters into the job of the martials

And an extremely important one

[echo briar]

Barbarians need counter yell

Whenever someone tries to cast a spell near you, you yell at them really loud to make them loose concentration

[heavy mesa]

That’s a bard feat

[turbid dagger]

In kingmaker we may have killed a dude who was supposed to escape because my fighter popped off too hard when they attempted to tumble through him

[surreal basin]

Been there

[turbid dagger]

||Just lopped Tartuks head clean off||

And then we all uh
Went 😮 as he ||transmogrified back into a gnome||

[warped orbit]

Disruptive Stance is so mean for that

[wooden orbit]

Trying to figure out a neat character for a Wardens of the Wildwood campaign I joined. Currently just me right now, far as playercount goes. I think I settled on Kineticist as the class, but still not entirely sure about ancestry.

[eager mountain]

awakened newt, water kineticist.

https://tenor.com/view/newt-rally-newt-rally-lgmbldm-gif-18173971

[wooden orbit]

Was thinking initially Ghoran, Enchanting Lily Ghoran. But also still really want to play a Surki (bug people! bug people! bug people!), Minotaur, or an Ardande of some kind maybe? Unfortunately I already ruled out Awakened animals for myself >.<

Beastkin was tempting though.

[eager mountain]

Ardande woul be good becuase having looked throuhg the adventure, alot of wood plane stuff

[wooden orbit]

That's what I thought too, Ghoran would also probably fit especially given the history of the Verduran Forest.

[eager mountain]

yeah ?

[warped orbit]

for some reason, Eye for Numbers got buffed?

if you target an enemy with it, you get a +1 bonus to Feint or Create a Distraction and get to use Society for that check

because you presumably shout something baffling about counting something on their person at them

[surreal basin]

…..

Baffling

[thorny berry]

I mean

eye for numbers doing uh

literally anything

is nice I guess

[wooden orbit]

I went with the Moot Guard background for the AP, and initially before Kineticist was thinking of multiclassing something with maybe the Wilding Steward patron witch, like maybe the Ranger.
Or multiclassing with the summoner, or Storm druid.

[novel merlin]

society to feint is actually super cool for investigators or int rogues

oh it takes an extra action nevermind less cool

[clever cobalt]

Purely curious, but what areas of Golarion interest y'all the most?

And or areas you'd like to play a game in

[rustic cape]

Irrisen is my current fixation

[trail nova]

I like the area around Taldor a lot, particularly if we got a book on the Kellish empire.

[silver geyser]

Ustalav is great.

The current reigning champion of "Worst place to live on Golarion"

[heavy mesa]

Could be worse

It could be Razimiran

[trail nova]

Isle of Dread?

[heavy mesa]

Or Nidal

[silver geyser]

You're not living on the Isle of Dread.

[heavy mesa]

Nobody lives on the Isle of Dread who isn’t already powerful enough to make it pleasant for themselves

So, Whispering Way agents

[silver geyser]

Nidal is fine in the places where the clergy is not as active. You can have moments of peace in the far off places.

Worst it'll be there is dark.

Aside from that, it's basically a religious police state

[heavy mesa]

Sarkoris is still generally pretty sucky

[silver geyser]

It is much improved at least.

[heavy mesa]

Even without the doomcrack its still a demon infested wasteland

[silver geyser]

Ustalav as a country is set up to get worse.

[turbid dagger]

Kaer Maga and the Realm Of The Mammoth Lords!

[heavy mesa]

The demon population is just now capped

[turbid dagger]

Oh, the Sarkoris Scar 100%, also

Magic S.T.A.L.K.E.R

[heavy mesa]

If they have any luck the three different varieties of weirdness will cancel out the new weirdness

[trail nova]

Ustalav's living by the Innistrad theory of "any apocalypse is going to break on the regular horrors."

[silver geyser]

There's also the hidden recent danger in Ustalav: Golarion's Malebranche set up a cult in its capital city.

[heavy mesa]

Ustalav has three great defenses: Furries, rich people, and squid

[rustic cape]

Mostly because my AP idea continues to churn

[silver geyser]

This is why it wins the "Worst Place to Live" award.

[heavy mesa]

Yknow whats funny? There’s never been a Linnorm Kings themed AP

[clever cobalt]

Where's this from?

[silver geyser]

People are too afraid of the Linnorm-kidnapping princesses. 😛

[silver geyser]

Rule of Fear, the 1e Ustalav sourcebook.

[clever cobalt]

also yeah a Viking/Linnworm King AP would be neat

mhm

[heavy mesa]

Oh its been mentioned offhandedly throughout 1e that Ustalav is currently suffering an infiltration by the clown devil

[silver geyser]

Like, I cannot overstate how well that book shows how much bad shit is going on in Ustalav.

[clever cobalt]

I need to reread that book

I have it on my drive

but yeah

I mean Ustalav is basically the designated "gothic horror" area of Golarion

so that tracks

[heavy mesa]

Alichino, this guy

[silver geyser]

For reference, a Malebranche is a devil in charge of organizing the invasion of a world by Hell.

[heavy mesa]

Which really sells how low Cheliax rates on Asmodeus’ list of important things

[silver geyser]

Right?!

[heavy mesa]

If the guy he assigned to actually conquer Golarion thinks Ustalav is a better base of operations

[clever cobalt]

Cheliax is... weird

Because it's comically evil but also a dying empire by large

especially after suffering tons of losses in 1e

[silver geyser]

Cheliax is a wonderful distraction.

[clever cobalt]

true

like losing a significant part of their navy (200 ships) when they tried to invade the Shackles

[heavy mesa]

The Chelish Government are losers

[silver geyser]

They really are.

[clever cobalt]

I'm pretty sure the government is held together by Abrogail through sheer will and luck

and fear

[silver geyser]

And her Pit Fiend advisor.

[clever cobalt]

yeah

[heavy mesa]

The Chelish government is one big mutual grift with each inbred idiot thinking they’ll be the one to find the magic loophole that nets them both ultimate power and an escape from damnation

[clever cobalt]

Who knew that a government full of selfish backstabbers who only care about themselves, is not a good way of stability

and yeah sounds about right

The only group with any form of stability in Cheliax is the Hellknights

for good or for ill

[silver geyser]

Also on Alichino, I think I know why he's focusing on Ustalav.

[clever cobalt]

how so?

[silver geyser]

It is smack dab in the middle of all the contenders for world domination.

Tar-Baphon, the orcs of the Hold of Belkezan, Numeria, Sarkoris.

[clever cobalt]

I mean currently it's just Tar Baphon iirc

But yeah fair

pretty much everyone in the Eye of Terror who isn't an undead opposses Tar Baphon

and even then

you have some vampires in Ustalav who also opposed Tar Baphon

[silver geyser]

Yeee, also based in the capital city!

[clever cobalt]

Yep

I wonder if War of Immortals/The Godsrain will fuck with Asmodeus' plans

[silver geyser]

Almost certainly.

[clever cobalt]

yeah fair

which reminds me

I wonder how the people of Golarion are gonna react to the "rise" of Exemplars and whatnot

given they're both a very new thing, and also have fragments of the Divine in them

On top of that, I wonder what kind of shit will happen on Golarion due to said war and event

Wonder if we'll get a Worldwound esque disaster happening

We do know that the Corrupted Orc God will rage across Golarion and whatnot

[echo briar]

Who’s to say he’s not responsible?

Heaven loses its greatest warrior

[clever cobalt]

Fair

also

I wonder if Exemplars existing threatens Razmir's plans at all

and legitimacy