Pathfinder

[frank crystal]

Honestly, investigator iconic

[craggy thunder]

trans quinn would be fun

[frank crystal]

I see it

[craggy thunder]

Speaking of investigator, I'm really excited to play mine in FotRP

[eager mountain]

nah your thinking of Yun

[craggy thunder]

Not a detective, just a chassis of skills to represent 'college educated in alchemy and other subjects, trained as a patient swordswoman, extremely detail-oriented'

[eager mountain]

she was but a child in 1e.

I think shes like .....altest on the ass end of teenager years now ?

16-19? I cant remember

[craggy thunder]

god 1e Yun is

mm I don't like that lol

[eager mountain]

how so ?

[clever cobalt]

she's a child

[craggy thunder]

maaaaaaaiiiiiinly the fact she's straight up a child?

[eager mountain]

oh yeah

shes was 8

[craggy thunder]

BRO????

8???

[eager mountain]

i think shes a young adult now ?

idk how old , I just know young adult

she has a bit of a noodle from Gorrilaz vibe

[worthy stump]

been about 9 and a half years since PF1e kinet came out, and since they progress the setting at real time, she's probably that much older?

[eager mountain]

yeah probably

so like 17-18

she bascially the youngest of the iconics

[echo briar]

How does leshy gender work

[eager mountain]

how does normal gender work

[frank crystal]

She’s going to get up to mischief (light someone on fire)

[worthy stump]

Some leshies are exclusively male or female, while many consider themselves both. Others, particularly fungus leshies, tend toward far more complex expressions of gender, or eschew the concept entirely.

they're nature spirits inhabiting plant bodies, so they kinda just do whatever they want

[echo briar]

Huh, that’s just how plant sex works

[worthy stump]

(as one should, really)

[eager mountain]

funny becuase theres ALOT of agender and nonbinary leshies

[frank crystal]

SHE SHOULD BE LEARNING MULTIPLICATION NOT KILLING GOBLINS

[echo briar]

Some species have males and females, some have all members be both, some have neither, and funguses have like a thousand different sexes

[eager mountain]

for example, fluff fang is nonbinary 😄

same with Reaching Rings

but uhhh

yeah I think like , leshy gender is just a vibes based thing

up to each leshy lol

but thats just me

oh yeah did you guys hear that Yog Sothoth is no longer a part of the core pantheon of starfinder?

[worthy stump]

yeah, pretty much as far as i can tell

and makes sense, he's probably being replaced by the newborn then?

[eager mountain]

probably

[echo briar]

I think they are transitioning to monotheism

they will slowly remove core gods until only one is left

[clever cobalt]

You mean Nyarlathotep?

Yog wasn't a core member to my knowleedge

[eager mountain]

yeah

thats who I meant

sorry

[turbid dagger]

Playing through the ||library|| level of abomvaults and
Man
All these ||ghouls|| are chumps

[stuck bane]

They can be yeah ||although in hindsight the fact that I forgot about their attack’s on hit effect for the whole floor might have made things significantly easier for my players||

We got to do a chase sequence in outlaws today, which was a first for us! Some of us even got to use our lore skills (multiple times even), which almost never came up in our AV game. Though sadly my ||academia lore|| has yet to get it’s time in the spotlight

[clever cobalt]

Is the Newborn replacing them?

[eager mountain]

i believe so ?

it was mentioned that hes no longer like ....as relevent as he was

but I could be wrong

unrealted

[warped orbit]

||the ghoul paralyze is also Incap, which can matter pretty quickly||

[echo briar]

We have an dwarf AP, an Orc AP, and a elf AP. Which ancestry AP is next?

Goblin feels likely, but I feel like gnomes would be interesting

Halfling seems like it would be the hardest of the common ancestry’s, as the one thing I could think of that would cause tension is cheliax slavery, and they don’t want to talk about slavery anymore

[faint ingot]

Potentially joining a friend's pf2e game. GM has okay'd a concept I've wanted to do for as long as I've known golarion has the stuff to do it: a numerian hunter-killer android that's been dug out of a jettisoned pod and doesn't have any programming or memory. Current theory is it was uncovered by bandits, had an automated threat protocol, and then wandered into a village where it was adopted, treated like a curious stranger from parts unknown, and taught how to communicate and help out around town until it learned about this whole "adventurers" thing and now it's low key just creating a way to do it's subconscious programmed purpose with its free will in place of a command system.

Now I just gotta pick a class I like for it.

[clever cobalt]

Goblin and Leshys are the only other core race, to my knowledge

well and humans but still

[vast burrow]

Wait they changed the Treasure by Level item levels? Level 20(and 19) characters just get level 20 gear by default?? That's really nice actually

.....Wait it's like that in AoN2Legacy too?? I swear it used to be like 1 level 19 item 2 level 18 items 1 level 17 item and 2 level 16 items at level 20 instead of just flat out 4 level 20 items

....Oh wait, sorry, I was thinking of the Treasure for New Characters table, I did not read the Treasure by Level rules correctly, whoops

[barren cipher]

oh i gotta do my starting gear

[true delta]

Which one's the Orc AP?

[steel blade]

its upcoming, Triumph of the Tusk

expected to start in October of this year

[clever cobalt]

And after that we got the Elf/Treerazer AP

[heavy mesa]

Can’t wait to go on a waaagh wit da boyz

[limber comet]

That's Warhammer

Pathfinder orcs are more levelheaded

Far more

[heavy mesa]

I know but they don’t have charming catchphrases yet

[limber comet]

NO ANCESTRY IN PF2E DOES

You're going in the soup maker

[heavy mesa]

Not wit dat attitude dey don’t ya git!

[solar storm]

Can’t wait to go to war with the hold

[heavy mesa]

Me and da ladz found dis cool axe in da skull o dat skelly-man dat dat whisperin git sent over ‘ere

[limber comet]

Mmm point taken

[solar storm]

Oh I was just rephrasing it to be more level headed haha

[clever cobalt]

But yeah 2e Orcs are cool

As is Belkzen

[solar storm]

Asking the dangerous questions

[heavy mesa]

how good is Sky King's Tomb?

[limber comet]

It's pretty decent

[echo briar]

What tradition would make for the best defender (as defined by lancer) caster?

Primal seems pretty good, lots of walls and protector tree

[barren cipher]

primal is very honest battlefield control

arcane gives you access to all that and other dishonest means though

and kineticists can do it all day long

[echo briar]

arcane is the only tradition without the two defender cantrips, rousing splash and forbidding ward

divine is the only tradition with both, but also lacks walls

[barren cipher]

forbidding ward is terrible so i don't really mind that

[echo briar]

Forbidding ward is ok for bosses

[barren cipher]

it's two actions

[echo briar]

yea, so are other cantrips

guarantied +1 ac to the main melee can very easily be more impactful than 2d4 damage that can just miss

[barren cipher]

i mean yeah if you're in a solo fight where they are only able to attack one party member and they only do strikes sure

[tough perch]

and you're out of spell slots

if that one ac on your main melee is going to make a difference, it's probably worth spending a spell slot

[limber comet]

I really wanna figure out how to make a Summoner stand user but I'm not sure what Eidolon is best

[turbid dagger]

I'd say probably one of the Phantoms
Occult list fits best and they're humanoid apparitions

[limber comet]

Not every stand is humanoid

Some of the best ones are super weird looking

[turbid dagger]

True enough! I was just thinking yknow
The classic

[limber comet]

Mmm!

[turbid dagger]

But yeah, occult spells do weird stuff, and Anger Phantom is the classic yknow
Violent angry punch ghost

[limber comet]

I mean the relatively human looking humanoid stands are great but my visual idea for a more humanoid stand eidolon is like

Soft And Wet

[turbid dagger]

Anger Phantom also gets Survivor as its level 17 ability

[limber comet]

Oh it does, doesn't it

[turbid dagger]

......I wonder if Furious Strike doing extra dies of weapon damage would make Boost Eidolon do more damage (up to the cap)
I'm unsure, but given Seething Frenzy I feel like that may well be the intent
And would make a power-strike alike actually quite appealing

[limber comet]

I guess any eidolon could be a stand with how varied they are

[turbid dagger]

Basically!

[limber comet]

It'd just be like Spice Girls with how your stand communicates with you

Or Dragon's Dream nbdhfhfhf

[warped orbit]

things that scale off number of weapon dice only consider the base number and Striking AFAIK

[turbid dagger]

That's the usual standard yeah
Hrmg
Feels right though, and the wording of both doesn't really try to disallow it
Because outside of Furious Strike there isn't actually a way to make Eidolon strikes do more weapon dice outside of striking runes (runic body is just temporary striking runes and therefore totally does proc it)

[echo briar]

the Tian Xia Character Guide will be under the ORC right?

[solar storm]

yes

[echo briar]

how does them publishing ORC content (like the magus subclasses) for a OGL class work?

[turbid dagger]

Magus will likely get an errata on any moving parts that require it, either in that book or another
The pre remaster stuff is still legal otherwise

[echo briar]

I more meant legally

They moved to the ORC and remastered some classes for legal reasons

does the mixing of the two licenses cause problems?

[turbid dagger]

Almost certainly not
I am not aware of the minutiae but the issue was always making new books using OGL content, not continuing to produce existing ones, iirc

[echo briar]

I always find it funny that the soulforger architype has all these additional rules https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=1560

it has 4 feats

This feels like it was designed to be part of a larger system that got scraped

[warped orbit]

probably was

[echo briar]

did bespoke corruption mechanics need to be part of the summon a weapon archetype? was anathema not good enough?

[warped orbit]

yeah the corruption bit makes me think they were gonna reuse the soul powers for something else originally

[turbid dagger]

I mean, I will say
Its not quite the summon a weapon archetype
People use it as that but its really like
'your convictions are so strong they take physical form'
For more just spellblade stuff thats mindsmith

[echo briar]

I feel like the "your convictions are so strong they take physical form" architype needs more than 4 feats

[trim grotto]

what class can actually use mind smith well

[turbid dagger]

I was planning on using Barbarian for it
d10 reach grapple is good, so is being able to leap well
(Yes I know the Gill Hook exists but mindsmith lets you make it blunt or slashing also)

[novel merlin]

Most martial are fine with mind Smith but it's more cool vibes than actual powet

[warped orbit]

well it'd be d10 grapple, trip

which is what makes it better than a gill hook

or you could make it modular BPS I guess

you also get free-ish ghost touch with Mind Smith, which is useful

and ranged attacks and/or a save based cone

it's pretty generally useful for a lot of builds IMO

[turbid dagger]

Yeah I was thinking modular BPS
Because uhhhh
I really don't see myself making a grapple barb and electing to trip instead of grapple a lot of the time

[warped orbit]

it's good to have options IMO

Grapple targets Fort, Trip Reflex

[turbid dagger]

And on Spirit Barb modular means even more undead nightmare
As you can swap to blunt for skeletons and slashing for zombies and utterly ruin like 40% of the enemy subtype your subclass is built towards

[warped orbit]

also you can Grapple them and then Trip

[thorny berry]

gill hook is so funny against like

anything medium-sized

[trim grotto]

mind smith could be fun on magus perhaps

[barren cipher]

uh, hm

how do you deal with property runes on weapons you're picking up from the character wealth table

like a +2 striking impactful astral weapon is clearly a 10th level item, as is a +2 striking weapon

one of these is a touch more expensive than the other though

oh here we go

they must buy the property runes separately

[warped orbit]

yeah I believe fundamental runes stack together, but property go separate

[barren cipher]

levelled items really do put you quite a long way ahead of the lump sum

[novel merlin]

There are still some reasons to go lump sum

Like if you level 3 start a kinetecist then you want to take lump sum to start with an attenuator (60gp, level 3)

[barren cipher]

the gods are demanding i take psychic archetype on a magus

[light gyro]

what's the play there, doesn't most of their stuff dig into your action economy?

[barren cipher]

essentially i want some extra focus points and access to either the occult or divine spell lists so i can cast heroism

i don't think we have, like, any status bonuses in the party so being able to cast heroism 3 out of a staff a few times seems very attractive

[surreal basin]

Honestly I’ve been thinking a class archetype that gives magus the divine list could be interesting

There’s quite a few things they can spell strike with, + a lot of self buffs

[barren cipher]

i feel like using your slots for buffs is quite a good way to play magus, so having more and better buffs would be nice yeah

[surreal basin]

Is this the time….. inquisitor?

:3

[steel blade]

if you're gonna take psychic dedi, go tangible dream for imaginary weapon when you eventually take psi development

such a strong cantrip

[barren cipher]

yeah it's just one of those things that feels a little bit too good

i could do witch instead but then i have to find my third focus point somewhere else

[light gyro]

Ha yeah that's cracked.

"I cast greaterest striking weapon"

[surreal basin]

Wow tangible dream is crazy

[barren cipher]

there are lots of class feats open for starlit span as well

so you don't really lose much

[surreal basin]

That boosted shield they get is also kinda bananas

[light gyro]

Choosing to interpret spellstrike imaginary weapon as you giving your sword another smaller sword

[barren cipher]

yeah there can be a lot of competition for focus points

[surreal basin]

Lmao figment amp is really funny

Idk if it’s.. good

[barren cipher]

i can see it being useful

[turbid dagger]

I have finally realized what I should do with Clawdancer
Thaumaturge
Resident agile d6 lover
It doesn't get like ANY metastrikes for a martial so clawdancer being all funny attacks actually whips 😌

[rustic cape]

Wait did something cool come out today

[turbid dagger]

Uhhhhhhh I don't think so
Clawdancer is a Howl thing

[rustic cape]

No I mean

People were talking as if there were something cool and new

Claw dancer is indeed very very cool

[turbid dagger]

Oh I haven't seen anything to that effect? Paizocon is going on so you may have seen some hype from that

[rustic cape]

Oh okay

On a completely different note, I am increasingly certain that Orc Ferocity is the best level 1 ancestry feat

[surreal basin]

Probably

Maybe being fought by some of the human ones but

It’s damn close

[rustic cape]

It’s easy to think “oh I’ll just not go down, useless”

But

You will

And then orc ferocity will stand you back up

And you will laugh

[turbid dagger]

Hmmmmm
On the face of it it seems like 'reaction to go to dying 2 when you go down instead of dying 1' but it does draw an extra action out of dudes, and theres a chance of that missing and such

I like it, have gotten some good use out of it, but hm
I'd say the BEST is remorseless lash 👀

Because its like
Unduly build-defining compared to most

[rustic cape]

Orc Superstition is also very good

Part of it is that Ferocity is good on like virtually any character

[barren cipher]

there are a lot of really good 1st level ancestry feats

it's hard to beat an untyped +5 movespeed

[frank crystal]

Can you pickpocket in combat items that are in bags of many things?

[surreal basin]

Well assuming they’re unaware of you so steal doesn’t autofail

… yeah it says it works like a normal sack

[frank crystal]

Ok rad

[light gyro]

It's just an interact to draw an item from a bag of holding, like anything else

[frank crystal]

Well I mean based off the pickpocket feat

[solar tendon]

cat nap is the best level 1 ancestry feat

[barren cipher]

it's pretty good actually yeah, the upgrade is also splendid

[turbid dagger]

fr fr
Catfolk have so much going on its nuts
cha dex free got me acting unwise
Then you add being able to refocus by eeping and a climb speed at level 5 and like
nya

[solar tendon]

sorcerer gets the upgrade for free

cause they always refocus

[tough perch]

i want eldritch scion so bad

[turbid dagger]

Yessssss
I love that sorcerors are just
Constantly refocusing

[solar tendon]

and catfolk sorcerer who just naps while the rest of the party are doing serious healing n shit is so vibes

[turbid dagger]

Bumfucking around as you refocus

[barren cipher]

catfolk dance is sorta fucked up

[young chasm]

throwing elf step in the ring for best ancestry feat

oh we talking level 1 feats

oops

[barren cipher]

it's pretty good though

[young chasm]

ok my new entry for best level 1 ancestry feat is collapse

[barren cipher]

they've got forlorn, that's pretty good

[young chasm]

forlorn is ALSO really good

[turbid dagger]

For best outright........ hm
I have a deep affection for Second Toughness (mountain's stoutness)
Climbing Claws as mentioned earlier
I have a soft spot for Lizardfolk's Terrain Advantage because there are some niche lategame combos that make people just permanently flat footed against you in melee but otherwise its a lil mid

[solar tendon]

oh collapse is great

[young chasm]

it's a basic answer but multitalented is up there for best outright imo

[barren cipher]

for dwarf feats i like defy the darkness: it's only 5th, the downside is negligible for almost everyone, and greater darkvision is hard to come by

it doesn't come up every day but i loathe hate despise darkness spells and effects

[turbid dagger]

I play too much free archetype for it to come up a lot but its really nice
Especially with the frankly bizarre half elf rider

[young chasm]

goblin song is pretty good too

[barren cipher]

the level 1 'now you can cheat at sneaking' feats are pretty good

the goblin and halfling ones, they change the rules in a very substantial way for level 1 feats

[surreal basin]

Hmmm

Trying to figure out a unique mechanic for the corrupted, fucked up imprisoned warlord shade I’m setting up

He’s a core wraith and rn has two shadow lackeys

[barren cipher]

maybe you can just tweak robes of welcome / void's embrace to be more evocative of him pulling you into his fucked up prison to fight to the death

what are the trappings of his imprisonment?

[surreal basin]

A big stone dome with magical sealing that has been weakened by ritual sacrifice

[barren cipher]

what put him in and what broke him out? is he physically bound in any way? chains, vines, iron maiden?

[limber comet]

Thinking about Starfinder

Nothing in particular

[worthy stump]

mood

[limber comet]

Apparently the Vesk-Azlant war is gonna be incited by a cult of the Devourer

[eager mountain]

So we are getting Aroden stats

[light gyro]

Oh that's neat

[vast burrow]

Huh, is the Werecreature archetype supposed to be like, a replacement for the legacy Beastkin heritage?

[solar storm]

I don’t think so

[eager mountain]

no why ?

it synergizes with beastkin

[vast burrow]

It just seems like they both occupy the same niche in character, you've got animal in your blood and can transform into one at will

With that said, being a Kitsune Beastkin Werecreature is funny as hell

For when one layer of furry isn't enough

I guess the question I'm asking is "What separates them flavor-wise" which, I assume the main one is that werecreatures are born of curse while beastkins just got animal in their blood somehow, but are there anything else?

[eager mountain]

is a asmodean justice champion just a combat lawyer?

[surreal basin]

Mmm gonna steal puzzles from the one hidden ultrakill level for my electricity dungeon

[light gyro]

hm......

[surreal basin]

LMAO NOT THAT ONE

Make a door only unlock when presented with a size 2 fish

[light gyro]

another for the pile

[limber comet]

Clean a bunch of guts and viscera

[vast burrow]

Would an Eidolon be able to do Interact actions?

Specifically asking for things like Cornucopia/Fresh Produce

[steel blade]

i dont see any reason why not

[vast burrow]

Sweet

Thanks

[limber comet]

Do you guys think we'll get options for pathfinder classes in sf2e?

[upbeat ridge]

theyre meant to be cross compatible

[limber comet]

Though I guess quite a few things from pf2e will port over without issue

Yes, I'm aware of that bit

[upbeat ridge]

but i doubt like.... us getting fighter feats in sf2e

for example

[limber comet]

Yeah that's what I was wondering

[warped orbit]

I doubt it personally

They are compatible in the sense that the math will be roughly similar
But they have repeatedly said this doesn't mean you can just take any class and pop it into the other game without issue

[limber comet]

Mm fair!

There'll probably be some homebrew stuff for it, nbd

Was just wondering what everyone else thought

[upbeat ridge]

yeah they arent balancing for classes in the other game

[limber comet]

Also bc playing a ranger in Starfinder would be fun I think

[upbeat ridge]

but im pretty sure they dont want to have classes that are super similar features wise

theyre never gonna do like

a fighter

~but in space~

[limber comet]

Oh of course

[steel blade]

iirc they've said that it's 100% viable to take classes from either game and play it in the other, but there might be some balance issues because of like

[limber comet]

I mean they're probably still cross compatible to an extent so it probably won't be too bad to convert

[steel blade]

pf is more melee-oriented, sf is more ranged-oriented

[upbeat ridge]

isnt the operative the closest thing to a rogue, and operative has somehting else instead of sneak attack?

[limber comet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steel blade]

and as such theyre changing how the sf classes work from 1e to make them less '(PF class) in space)

[upbeat ridge]

yeah, thats what i mean

[warped orbit]

it's viable in that the math won't immediately break
but they don't balance for cross compatibility

[limber comet]

I still think Ranger would work pretty well in sf2e from what we know

[steel blade]

hence, Soldier is more focused on AoE attacks, Mystic gets its life network thing, Envoy is based around giving orders, etc

instead of just 'space fighter'/'space cleric'/'space bard'

[upbeat ridge]

its really funny, since it seems like commander is "prepared" and envoy "spontaneous" in terms of their tactics stuff

[steel blade]

ye, i kinda wonder if the sf2e team knew commander was going to be a thing when they said theyre trying to avoid making any of the sf classes '(PF class) but space'

[upbeat ridge]

yeah

but thats cool

like, if you dont like the commanders "prepared" tactics and you wish they were "spontaneous" you have that option

[steel blade]

also i think theyve implied there will be books that give some options specifically for crossing between systems

[upbeat ridge]

oooh i see

[steel blade]

but like, not as a main thing

[upbeat ridge]

yeah

i think the second tian xia book is gonna have some area weapons? so you can play solider in pf

[steel blade]

think they basically said 'if it happens, it would be in a way where the options work in both systems' or something to that effect

so eg, a book on numeria would probably give us a lot of the more tech-y stuff from sf1e like technomancer, if they decide to just do it as a wizard subclass or w/e

[upbeat ridge]

its amazing that the ruleset for pf2e is SO SOLID that they can do this

[limber comet]

Nah, technomancer is confirmed safe

It's still a thing

[steel blade]

they havent said anything about how they'll introduce it in sf2e yet iirc

its not gonna be in the playtest/core book

[limber comet]

Nope, but they said mechanic and technomancer are safe, they're just coming in a future book

In one of the paizocon panels if I'm not mistaken

[steel blade]

i look forward to seeing how they manage to make them not just 'inventor in space' and 'wizard in space'

not saying i doubt they can do it, just, legitimately im curious how they're going to handle them that wont just read as 'PF class but space'

[limber comet]

Well, the obvious one is making Technomancer focus more on, well, tech

That's something I felt every time I read through technomancer in 1e, that it just

[upbeat ridge]

i have faith

they can cook

[limber comet]

Did not feel tech-y enough

Anyways evolutionist for 2e

[steel blade]

i wanna see 2e solarion i missed their live play during paizocon but iirc the solarion they had was playing a subclass with a name that specified they were photon/graviton, implying there's other subclasses that use the electricity/resistance thing from 1e

and im kinda guessing vanguard may have also been absorbed into solarion, cause they could just have it be chaos/order

[limber comet]

The subclass was actually just which attunement they started with

It was graviton

[clever cobalt]

Evolutionist is really cool conceptually, even if it kinda sucks

I'd love a 2e version

[steel blade]

Jessica is playing Zazi, a Defiant Shirren, Degradant Stellar Arrangement Solarian! With the Recluse Background! She wields a halberd!
Degradant Stellar Arrangement defaults to Graviton mode for their Solarian Photon/Graviton modes, before beginning to shift back and forth.
from https://docs.google.com/document/d/18rKAwQN5j9TW5lOWtNzHZUgFOKxNcLG6N9RLB3MXBh0/edit

stellar arrangement implies there are other arrangements

degradent would presumably be the part that means 'you start in graviton'

(presumably there's also an ascendent stellar arrangement where you start in photon)

[limber comet]

I sincerely doubt we'll be seeing energy/resistance in star core

Also it would suck if Vanguard just got absorbed

[echo briar]

I mean, at minimum that’s going to be feat

[steel blade]

we already know for a fact that precog has been absorbed into witchwarper

solarion and vanguard are thematically similar enough it doesnt seem like a stretch or like it would be horrible if they were just mechanically the same class

[limber comet]

No

I like Vanguard

[limber comet]

https://fixupx.com/paizo/status/1798062765799813427?t=REuVm8oMSVsQEX7SiDsmPQ&s=19

[clever cobalt]

Evolutionist mention

[limber comet]

The 2e solarian is also queer

Very pog

Also the Operative's toes are out

Why

[frank crystal]

huh

Why

Why are they out?

[sinful gyro]

Lancer Effect

[frank crystal]

SSC has figured out dimensional travel

Wait actually

Starfinder is canonically in our universe

Fuck I need to write a lancer x starfinder fic now

Union encountering the starfinder factions

[surreal basin]

Oh I didn’t know the operative was queer

[limber comet]

They/them pronouns

[clever cobalt]

If it matters they're in different galaxies iirc

[frank crystal]

Oh

I thought it was the milky way

[limber comet]

Lol nah

Desna's Path

[trim grotto]

the new Howl of the Wild stuff is incredible oh my god

i need to play with it NOW

[frank crystal]

Any initial ideas?

[trim grotto]

Large size awakened bird ranger with the winged warrior dedication. Albatross Samurai sorta guy.

[turbid dagger]

I'm drafting up a Strix Clawdancer Thaum myself

[trim grotto]

BIG fan that we can be large by default now

[turbid dagger]

In four flavors!
Bull
Honse
All other furries
And frankly silly looking fish people

[clever cobalt]

Don't forget Mermaids

[turbid dagger]

Can the mermaids become Large?

[young chasm]

https://2e.aonprd.com/Spells.aspx?ID=1344

is this a misprint?

**Range **60 feet; **Area **15-foot cone

[turbid dagger]

Airburst spells 👀

[solar storm]

Afaik no - book is the same and errata mentions nothing

[young chasm]

so you can place the cone on any corner of a square within 60 feet?

interesting

[limber comet]

Grefu looks silly to you??? Shame

[limber comet]

I really want to see more of Kalo-Mahoi in Starfinder

[clever cobalt]

The who

[limber comet]

A fey influenced "planet" that's entirely oceanic? Fucking awesome

The kalo are the fish people

In Starfinder

They live on one of the moons of one of the gas giants

[clever cobalt]

Ah

[limber comet]

The moon itself is called Kalo-Mahoi

It's inhabited by a LOT of linnorms and aquatic fey

Not to mention it's own wildlife

[frank crystal]

So how fast does kineticist unarmed attacks scale?

[turbid dagger]

Goes to expert at 11 and stays there

[frank crystal]

Ah damn

[clever cobalt]

I like the bugs

From HotW

[limber comet]

I had

A really good sf2e idea

Skittermander Barbarian

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

WAIT WHAT

• I say as a level 6 kineticist

[limber comet]

Just the unarmed attacks

Kinetic blasts still scale if I'm not mistake

Mistaken*

[turbid dagger]

Yeah kinetic blasts are different things
Kineticists are bad at making Strikes

[eager mountain]

oh ok

[vast burrow]

I'm sad that the Winged Warrior archetype requires permanent wings, since that pretty much means for most characters they need to be at least level 17 to take it, except for like, Awakened Animal which can take it after level 13 I think

Oh wait full flight is at level 9

So basically for everyone except Awakened Animals and some very specific exceptions, Winged Warrior only comes online at level 18

[silver geyser]

Strix?

[vast burrow]

Do Strix gain permanent flight earlier?

Oh yeah also level 9

So those two ancestries are the exceptions(unless there are any more that I've missed)

Oh, Sprite get it at level 9 too, and apparently the Sprite and Strix flight options are eratta since they're not coming on PC2? So I'm guessing the other flying races are getting the same treatment

[surreal basin]

Also:

Yeah it’s level nine but does it say permanent wings or permanent flight

[vast burrow]

...It says permanent wings

Wait a fucking minute

[surreal basin]

:3

That’s what I thought

So it just means you can’t take it if your wings are from like wildshaping

[vast burrow]

Holy shit

Thanks, I would've never noticed that

[surreal basin]

:3

IM SO COOL

[vast burrow]

Undeniably

[upbeat ridge]

Did howl of the wild reprint beastkin? If I wanna play as an anthropomorphic animal should I just use awakened animal now?

Since I know beastkin didn’t get remastered

[frank crystal]

Beastkin I believe was reprinted?

[upbeat ridge]

Ok

[frank crystal]

But awakened animal didn’t replace it

Beastkin still has its niche

[upbeat ridge]

Yeah

[eager mountain]

pretty sure it didnt? , it might have gotten errataed

but thiers some stuff for beast kin in howl of the wild and also it synergizes with wereanimal archetype

[frank crystal]

I remember something being reprinted

But yah it could have easily been something else

I don’t entirely remember

[upbeat ridge]

Ok

[surreal basin]

Beastkin was not reprinted

The only buff it got in howl was synergy with werecreature

[solar tendon]

but stuff doesn't need to be reprinted or anything

ancestry guide isnt going anywhere

[limber comet]

This is pathfinder specific post so

https://www.tumblr.com/hobgoblinart/752410158424080384/i-didnt-finish-the-page-yet-but-i-want-to-share

Senshi fighter

[limber comet]

Been reading JoJolion and it's making me wanna build a summoner

What would be a good stand name for a protean

[turbid dagger]

Breaking The Law

[limber comet]

THANK YOU

THAT'S PERFECT

[turbid dagger]

it may have been a stand name I came up with years ago

[limber comet]

"I have a name, mortal"

"Yeah, it's [BREAKING THE LAW]"

SIGH

Though tbh a protean would probably be like "rad i like it"

[limber comet]

It's peak

You cooked

[light gyro]

Have fun, hope they catch that lion

[true delta]

Are there spellcards for Remastered yet?

[scenic patio]

Is howl of the wild any good for Dm? Is the PDF worth it?

[solar storm]

There's a cool bestiary including some very high level "protectors of the wild"

It's definitely a player oriented supplement though

[scenic patio]

Thank you yeah cash is tight I’ll wait for archive update than 😩

[rapid wagon]

checking for my gm, though im sure they have it under control, but do yall have any good resources for for converting the old pf1e adventure path, the carrion crown path, to 2e?

i think we're switching to pf2e when we pick our ongoing game up

figure id look for things to make it easier for them

[solar storm]

https://pf2easy.com/index.php?id=9675&name=Converting Adventures from 1st Edition

This is pretty good

[rapid wagon]

ah didnt see this response, thank you

[solar storm]

nw

[solar storm]

we take a few conditions

[frank crystal]

Just a few

[solar storm]

Ok I had the CRAZIEST bug updating Pathfinder to Foundry 12

Somehow the Fleshwarp party member lost their size flag entirely

And was just undefined in size

Which... makes Foundry very sad

So it wouldn't consistently load scenes which had the token present

But would occasionally and simply wouldn't allow tokens of the character to be made

Took me an hour to debug 😦

[worthy stump]

oh no

[frank crystal]

Oh no

[trim grotto]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OMbCTKHXHAs&pp=ygUNdHJhY2VyIGd1bmRhbQ%3D%3D

Unrelated, I have a silly character idea and I'd like to know if there's any way in pf2e to pull it off, at least with some amount of reflavoring

Can I flick bullets at people somehow

My initial thoughts are either
Reflavoring gunslinger
Throwing weapons on fighter
Metal kineticist?

[limber comet]

Metal kineticist works the best just for the flavor off rip

Generally less work

[true delta]

Heya. Quick rules question about heightening spells. Caustic Blast is a rank 1 cantrip. The heightened effect is listed after a "+2". Does this mean that the effects of heightening are applied for every two ranks by which it is heightened? I.e. Caustic Blast needs to be heightened by 2 ranks, attaining rank 3, to gain the benefit once?

Is my interpretation correct?

[solar tendon]

ye

and gets the same bonus again at 5

[carmine egret]

We finished the first floor of the Beginner Box and the party is heading topside to report and resupply. They took most of the kobolds alive (funnily, both kills were from the rogue and his sling) and managed to coerce some information about the ||dragon||. They've stated their intention to consult with someone Arcana-savvy in town, so I'm looking forward to roleplaying a gay bookshop owner who's also a wizard.

I love how the resident magician has a stone tower just sticking out of his shop. Perfect mix of classic tropes and Just A Guy.

[frank crystal]

Ok so I’ve got a gimmick for this fight at level 6

Where the players are trying to stop a ritual there’s gonna be animated armors fighting them

They’re hella weak but have an impossible to turn off regeneration

So they’re just there to waste time as the ritual is completed

[scenic patio]

How do we feel about The Guardian and The Commander form the playtest for battle cry? Also do we know of the iconic characters for these classes?

[solar storm]

We don't know the Iconics

[clever cobalt]

I've heard good things about the Commander, but generally more iffy stuff on the Guardian

[scenic patio]

I figured

[solar storm]

Having playtested them I think they're both pretty solid

Definitely some changes to be made but they both work pretty well

[scenic patio]

that's good I'm excited because i like melee classes and we have been long limited for various reason for a long time.

[solar storm]

I think a lot of the negative buzz about Guardian didn't really bear out when I tested them

I'd like to see some changes for sure (like their pointless subclass choice changing) and some clean ups with their awkward many small sources of Resistance cleaned up

[scenic patio]

I appreciate the perspectives gang.

[barren cipher]

i haven't playtested guardian but the perverse incentives on taunt and the absolutely massive bundle of power that is hampering sweeps seem to suggest it needs more time to cook

[warped orbit]

the resistance stacking is probably the thing I'd like to see a bit tweaked the most

Taunt... I think works, but am personally not a huge fan of how it works currently

[solar storm]

Taunt I think could be simplified some yeah

Hampering sweeps should not be tied to reach

And should probably have a save on it, but it wasn’t a huge problem in my game

Though it was strong

[warped orbit]

Some form of Hampering Sweeps is good for the class I think
But yeah it should probably be adjacency and have a save

[solar storm]

I worry a save might over weaken it since you can move the guardian

[trim grotto]

Update, I found that this actually works the best as a reflavored shooting stars/flying blade stance monk

Just reflavor the shurikens and it's perfect

[barren cipher]

moving people costs a lot

that said i suppose a lot of the things that would raise an eyebrow by being stopped in their tracks by a halfling with a spear have tools that would work

free displacements like improved shove, good old swallow whole etc.

[warped orbit]

yeah I'm not sure about it
a save might make it too easily resisted, especially by big monsters which is probably when you want it the most

but you also can't really have it be nothing either I feel

though I guess if it was adjacency only you can at least always beat up the Guardian, so maybe it's fine

though also on a similar note
I kinda feel Taunt shouldn't be a save

[solar storm]

Definitely agree

It’s 2 edged enough you have to be careful

The save mostly just made it annoying to remember exact numbers

[warped orbit]

I also generally don't really like that it penalizes the Guardian

I kinda get that it's supposed to increase the incentive to actually attack the Guardian, but it also basically negates your improved defense

so you're just even with everyone else in AC again

[solar storm]

I don’t really have a problem with it - Taunt is for pulling people off of allies not a use all the time tool and the huge delta makes it hard for the GM to ignore and just take the debuff

[young chasm]

this is honestly what i expected, i don't think gaurdian is as bad as some folks have been saying it was

[barren cipher]

that level 2 damage feat is incredibly sad and i can see why it might make people a bit skeptical if that’s one of the things that stays with them

[surreal basin]

I do think people who thought guardian was awful didn’t actually it
It’s damage negation and ability to protect the party is crazy

[barren cipher]

that should be a reaction or something

[surreal basin]

Honestly commander was the one I had the most problems with

Since it’s gameplay, in my tests, mostly just devolved into spamming the best two universally applicable strata

[echo briar]

I think the only real problem with the guardian is it needs to do more, but that’s the case with most playtest classes

Taunt currently has an optics issue, where people see it and think it’s the guardians main thing like rage or hunters mark, but if you use it all the time you get killed

They need to make “this is one tool out of many” more obvious

[surreal basin]

Yeah

Idk I also think people need to be not dumb

[limber comet]

Playing pf2e kingmaker in 2 days

Well, one day

It's sunday here now

Im really nervous honestly

[barren cipher]

do you have a working character? do you know what all your buttons do?

[novel merlin]

RIP, 6 week hiatus on my fists of the ruby phoenix campaign

[barren cipher]

if you have that then the rest will take care of itself, go get 'em tiger

[barren cipher]

fists is a cursed campaign i swear

[young chasm]

oh shit im playing kingmaker right now

as we speak

[barren cipher]

i'm 0-2 on even starting

beginning to think i'm going to have to take matters into my own hands

[limber comet]

Kineticist, and mmmostly? I know my main focus is channeling elements with an action and then spending the rest of my turns using impulses and re-attuning as necessary

I'm nervous but super hyped

Playing a mono wood kinet orc nephilim

[barren cipher]

i assume you're level 1 so it can't be that bad, if you know how to thug up bandits and what all your skill actions are then there isn't really much else to think about

[limber comet]

Mm! I don't know all of it yet but I'm playing on roll20 so it shouldn't be sooo bad

When I'm not roleplaying or it's not my turn I tend to look at my char sheet

[barren cipher]

setting up sheets in r20 used to be a massive ballache, hope it's better now

[limber comet]

Oh gosh I hope it's not bad

I tried to convince my gm to use foundry but they didn't really wanna

[barren cipher]

when i was on roll20 it was just a lot of manual labour, it'll probably be fine

[young chasm]

ok i played my first session of commander

i think starting with two tactics as per your folio is stupid

it feels very limiting

i think animal companion ties a lot of things together for commander otherwise though

especially when they hit mature

being able to have your own animal companion a squatmate and then taking something like form up gives them a stride before mature companion

[wooden orbit]

What's the campaign?

[tough perch]

Finally got invited to play at a homebrew campaign

Gonna do a slightly laios inspired thaumaturge, in the sense that he's not the best warrior around but can compensate with his interests

But in this case it's trinkets and folklore

So I'm going for talismans and scrolls, plus fighter feats from FA

[echo briar]

I misread that as "Latios inspired thaumaturge" and just accepted that you were somehow playing a Pokémon

[tough perch]

Weapon implement to do free hand athletic things

I just can't decide on a weapon

[tough perch]

Battlezoo got a thing to play as a pokemon trainer

Idk which one is latios but after hotw I think we probably can get close

[echo briar]

I doubt we are getting close lol

the whole lack of feet is going to make finding an equivalent player ancestry hard

[tough perch]

That looks like a weird flying animal to me

Awakened large flying animal or somethint

[young chasm]

HEEEEEEEEELP HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP

[turbid dagger]

😨

[surreal basin]

Oh bye bye

[warped orbit]

What level are you?

[frank crystal]

Oh dear

[young chasm]

we're level 12

iiii don't think we're meant to kill the lesser death

rather keep it from interrupting a ritual

but we are getting our SHIT kicked in doing that

[warped orbit]

yeah I bet

[young chasm]

we're actually getting somewhere

[turbid dagger]

PL+4 lesser death is a real kick in the dick my lord

[solar storm]

holy shit

even just trying to fight to a draw with a lesser death is gonna make your lives very very very hard haha

At PL+4

[clever cobalt]

What's the Lesser Death's gimmick? It's reaction?

[young chasm]

reaction, status sight, aura of misfortune

[worthy stump]

i wish you the best of luck at not becoming mincemeat

[surreal basin]

For most fights is the reaction as the star but it’s all rough

[solar storm]

It's just generally a fucker

It's gimmick is basically pushing the bounds of a legal level enemy with killing PCs power

[turbid dagger]

It also uses a uh
Scythe

Noted D10 Deadly D10 Weapon

[young chasm]

WE'RE GETTING CLOSE

[solar storm]

wow congrats

[carmine egret]

Hey, how's PF2 on Roll20?

[frank crystal]

Works pretty well

[limber comet]

Hello chat...

First pf2e game tomorrow........

[solar storm]

nice

what sort of character did you make?

[limber comet]

Nephilim orc, mono wood kineticist

I also have some story stuff but idk if I'm allowed to share

[solar storm]

oh very cool

[limber comet]

Don't wanna flood chat

[solar storm]

Nah no sweat

Unless its like many pages or something haha

[limber comet]

Nah, just two paragraphs

Urvikk Omkaan never asked to be an adventurer. He never asked to be born a cambion, and he never asked to be touched by the re-emergence of the Plane of Wood. His mom, Arvalik Omkaan, went to war against devils invading from Cheliax, and when she returned home, before Urvikk was born, discovered that an infernal mage had cursed her firstborn. As the young orc grew up, he was ostracized for the long, goat-like horns sprouting from his head, and the way his pupils would also tend to look like a goat's when he got stressed or angry, though the local temple of Erastil in his village took care of him and accepted him. One day, while tending to his ailing mother, a burst of planar energy ripped through the village, destroying it in the process, and striking Urvikk. His mother passed from the shock, and the grief caused Urvikk to awaken to his powers as a kineticist. Now charged with finding a new home, Urvikk travels to find a place to call home, maybe one that'll finally accept him for who he is, not the powers that made him.

Urvikk is a thirty-four year old orc male who uses he/him pronouns. He has raven-black hair, and forest-green skin. He wears loose, rugged clothing and wears an antler symbol around his neck, the symbol of Erastil. His eyes are dark hazel, with his regular pupils becoming goat-like when stressed. He also has black goat horns sprouting from his head, decorated and twined in flowers. He stands at 6'2" and is around 210 lbs. Despite being ostracized from the community growing up, his worship of Erastil has made him a relatvely friendly and approachable person, though he tends to get stressed and suffer from anger issues, especially when using his elemental powers.

Did I do good, did I cook,,

[young chasm]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WE DID IT

[limber comet]

Grats!!!

[young chasm]

not a single death either

[solar storm]

NICE

If Paizo tracked Achievements this should be one

[solar thorn]

so fun Abomination vaults game this time
Players didn't want to ||cause a lethal fight in the Warped Brew to rescue the hostages, so they started a bar fight. Everyone is using nonlethal weapons. The Thamaturge is soloing the manager in fist fighting. Goddamn||

damn, Tham went down
glorious fist fight

[surreal basin]

Tham

[echo briar]

I’m surprised RoE didn’t have any non caster focused archetypes

You would think they would introduce flavorful archetypes for the kinetisist

this definitely isn’t me planning my next character and getting jealous that a tongue based martial art got an archetype before fire

[barren cipher]

i feel like the class is pretty well loaded with content honestly

[novel merlin]

Without FA its hard to justify ever taking an archetype

[barren cipher]

like i don't think you can get more fire specialist than, you know, fire kineticist

[echo briar]

the problem is I’m building an exemplar

[novel merlin]

It would be tough to make an archetype designed for kinetecists that wouldnt just be another element

[echo briar]

It doesn’t need to be designed for kinetisist, just thematic

But we got 2 stone based archetypes in a AP

You can do a lot with the other elements

[novel merlin]

Uhhh fireworks technician

There

[eager mountain]

😄 all set for starfinder

[true delta]

You've been gnomed.

Very nice.

[loud canyon]

[limber comet]

Oh huh

Apparently Severed at rhe root has two new deviant classifications

I dont have the pdf but the two things are based on growth (more plant based) and decay (fungal)

[solar tendon]

gonna play a wizardball magus jock sports scholarship

in a homebrew magic university game

set in the same 'oops all small or smaller' setting

inexorable iron feels like the obvious study

[barren cipher]

splendid

inexorable iron is usually depicted as getting the short end of the stick, i don't know how it actually shakes out in play

[warped orbit]

It's fine

The main reason Laughing Shadow gets more spotlight is because of its conflux spell

But Iron does just fine IME

[barren cipher]

yeah thunderous strike is one of those things that looks absolutely terrible on paper

[warped orbit]

It's not great

[solar tendon]

laughing shadow might be good for wizardball

but I need to wait for my gm to come up with the rules of wizardball

but teleporting to avoid a tackle or something

[turbid dagger]

II play as goalies, LS are the strikers (thats the generic term for 'messes around with the ball' type dudes right)

[warped orbit]

You just add a small amount of sonic to a strike

[solar tendon]

probably

[barren cipher]

90% of the time you're just going to force fang yeah

[warped orbit]

The temp HP on Iron is neat at least

[barren cipher]

that one time where the stars align and there are three swarms standing in a triangle though

[turbid dagger]

With sustaining steel+temp HP Inexorable Iron honestly seems pretty tanky

[solar tendon]

also not sure what level we're talking

[barren cipher]

it doesn't really attract me because every time i look at doing a melee magus i can't get over sparkling targe

i just go 'haha, sure, but what if i did sparkling targe'

i built a ranged magus with sparkling targe once

[solar tendon]

grapple laughing shadow is a thing but I already played a grapple stabber

[warped orbit]

Targe is really cool

just hard to fit in the actions to actually Raise the shield

[solar tendon]

feint feels quite sporty actually

magus doesn't even need int any more right

[warped orbit]

not really, unless you want to use DC spells

[unborn rain]

If you dump int you will fail your classes

[solar tendon]

I'll just study

[barren cipher]

can't you just win at sportsball

[solar tendon]

I'll find some cute nerd and ask them to meet after class and they'll be like 'oh no I'm gonna be beaten up' but then I nervously ask if they'll tutor me

cause coach says even on my scholarship I need at least an x gpa to stay enrolled

[barren cipher]

our standardised testing suggests you have an intelligence score of 4. have you considered going into medicine?

[echo briar]

where's a good place to read all the HotW stuff? I unusually use nethys, but they don't have it yet, and pathbuilder is not designed for going over all the new options

[limber comet]

Uhhh

I now that Demiplane has all the options

[surreal basin]

PF2E tools probably has it

[echo briar]

Nope

[surreal basin]

/shrug sounds like you’re shit out of luck then sadly

[solar storm]

It’s in the Foundry system but that’s no better than pathbuilder

[surreal basin]

Yeah

[limber comet]

in session for kingmaker

im haiving fun!!

[limber comet]

Man pf2e on roll20 is rough

You have to manually fill out a character sheet

[barren cipher]

i guess they haven’t changed that

in foundry 90% of it is just dragging and dropping stuff from the compendium onto your sheet

[limber comet]

Oh my god

[scenic patio]

Yeah pf2e is pretty great on foundry

[young chasm]

back in my day we had to calculate everything and we liked it!!!!

[worthy stump]

foundry's a much more polished experience that on roll20, yeah

[turbid dagger]

Honestly I've never even needed to do that
Every foundry game I've been in I could just run pathmuncher

[scenic patio]

5e seems like you have to manually put in most things even in foundry unless you like to pay wizards of course 😒

[barren cipher]

they have a working import plugin now?

[worthy stump]

i think the import plugin for pathbuilder got recently brought up to date, yeah

for how long now, who knows

[thorny berry]

I'm still in a years-long 1e campaign on roll20 lol

automation? never met her

(we only just recently got around to automating our...... many, many many buffs)

on god consolidating half the bonus types into 'status' was probably the actual best change of 2e

[worthy stump]

yeah, i played 1e on roll20 for years

handling buffs... ough...

[trim grotto]

as someone who has been trying to run 5e on foundry:

[warped orbit]

Aren't there 5e content packs for Foundry?

[solar storm]

Do you know about Plutonium?

[trim grotto]

i do now!

[solar storm]

Only uh, 🏴‍☠️ ways but yes

[trim grotto]

like, i already am using it but i wasnt at first

[solar storm]

Ah good

[warped orbit]

Yeah that's what I meant

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-really-david-david-rose-dan-levy-schitts-creek-gif-20760522

trying not to say the usual thing

[surreal basin]

supposedly it was updated recently to be more like 2es foundry

[eager mountain]

yeah ?

I thought p2e was updating to get something 5e had

which was the dynamic token borders

[solar storm]

I believe that's becoming core to Foundry but I may be crossing wires

But the dynamic token borders are cool

[scenic patio]

Appreciate the messages and @‘s LMAO 😂 (I agree and appreciate them 🙂 )

[tough perch]

you're not crossing wires, it's already core in v12

[limber comet]

https://x.com/paizo/status/1800578704537489697?t=abf4z1dNYwsPdJh9P5DSBg&s=19

Paizo (@paizo) on X

The Starfinder team proudly introduces the newest iconic: Dae! Read all about them and their story on today’s blog: https://t.co/crFcAZr66y

Twitter · Jun 11, 2024, 5:19 PM

SCREAMS SCREAMS SCREAMS

I LOVE THEM

[clever cobalt]

https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6ufzl?Meet-The-Iconics-Dae

[surreal basin]

I bet they gave Miiyu a kiss

[turbid dagger]

Doing a oneshot on a west march server soon (hopefully) and one of the players actually figured out a HUGE BRAIN use for Meld Into Eidolon
They're playing a Vampire and use their eidolon as sunscreen 😌

[limber comet]

Chk-Chk and Dae being besties is great

Ohhhh

Rad

That's a great use

[turbid dagger]

Right??
I was talking and they raised the idea and I was like
'oh my god'
'an actual use for meld into eidolon'

[limber comet]

What eidolon type?

[turbid dagger]

Angel Eidolon
Summoner is a naughty haughty vampire ojou and the Eidolon is a very patient celestial trying to redeem her

[limber comet]

Oooohhhhh very good dynamic

[surreal basin]

Oh that’s cute

[limber comet]

I like that a lot

[turbid dagger]

Yeee, I'm real excited to play with them

[limber comet]

Sigh

Looked at the quote tweets on the Dae post and immediately saw a Warhammer fan going "burn it with fire"

I feel nothing but hatred

Out of spite I now think that Dae is polyamorous and has kissed both Chk Chk and Miiyu

[limber comet]

Really curious about how Starfinder ship combat will be added to the system

In 2e, I mean

[surreal basin]

Based on what they said earlier I think it seems likely there’s gonna be narrative and tactical ship combat

But they said they wanna keep something resembling the heavy ship customization in 1e at least

[limber comet]

Ohhh

Like how the ship was essentially a shared character

[limber comet]

Ah so something similar to how it ended up being in 1e

[surreal basin]

Yeah

[limber comet]

With the added narrative rules

Huh!

Options for both parties

Neat

That would definitely warrant a whole starship book I think

[surreal basin]

They also noted that they weren’t gonna keep the tactical ship combat the same, with them noting the common complaint that people didn’t like that only one person got to move the ship/shoot the guns

[limber comet]

Yeah that seems

Unfun

Clearly the solution is to be a fighter squadron /j

Though I genuinely wonder how that'd work in sf2e

The x-wing squadron is a common fantasy

And one I genuinely enjoy, actually

[surreal basin]

I like it personally

You could be a fighter squadron in 1e if you wanted

[clever cobalt]

I like space ship stuff, even if it isn't very streamlined

Having a customizable moving base is fun

[young chasm]

im about to finish my campaign im hosting.... next session will be the one

[limber comet]

Grats!

[vast burrow]

Huh wait they released more playtest material? Sweet

Also is the Commander kinda like the famed Lazylord build I've heard so much about?

And the Guardian is just a Champion if you replaced the religion with steroids from my first impressions

[turbid dagger]

Baaaaaasically yeah
They go 'you, fight'
Maybe throw a strike out if they feel like it

[eager mountain]

idk , iiirc thier gonna go for more cinematic starship stuff for now

but idk

[young chasm]

where's it at?

or do you mean commander and guardian

[turbid dagger]

I assume they mean the latter yeah

[young chasm]

makes sense

[rustic cape]

I love that the commander is all about flags

They are literally an Arknights flagbearer

https://gamepress.gg/arknights/sites/arknights/files/2019-10/char_151_myrtle_1_0.png

[vast burrow]

God I've missed so much development on Pathfinder

Gorum's dead now, something is gonna happen to the lesbian polycule, and Zon-Kuthon and Shelyn fused???(I know it's technically Starfinder and not Pathfinder but still)

[frank crystal]

Essentially yah

Gorum died doing what he loved

Starting wars

[vast burrow]

It was in his will

[frank crystal]

As he was dying, surrounded by friends and family, he said these final words

“Just, fuck each other up, for my sake”

[vast burrow]

Also Achaekek was the one who dealt the final blow? Did Granny Spider finally convince him to fuck up the gods?

[frank crystal]

Think so yah

[vast burrow]

Ohoh, this is interesting

[solar storm]

Gorum technically isn’t dead yet

Just because of how the timeline works and WoI not being out

[steel blade]

we'll find out why achaekek did the deed in Prey for Death(upcoming adventure where the PCs are Red Mantis Assassins)

[vast burrow]

All points in time are the same if you think about it too hard

[vast burrow]

So Among Us got it

[solar storm]

lmao I missed this

[vast burrow]

Oh hah yeah that

Though I do think this qualifies as art enough to warrant a source mention for https://www.reddit.com/user/M5R2002/

Also just visited the subreddit and hmmm, shit went down the past month huh? I was wondering why I haven't seen a NoNat1s vid in a while

[warped orbit]

he was doing other stuff for a while

[vast burrow]

There was that whole creator thing which....I should probably not bring up here

Anyways yeah Gorum's dying soon innit

Y'all think the polycule is breaking up or getting a new member

[trail nova]

New member. Namely, Arazni

[vast burrow]

She got abandoned by her man and turned into a lesbian, I get it I get it

I'm sure the rainbow trio can fix her

[limber comet]

On the Zon-Shelyn thing

Zon-Kuthon saved Shelyn after she almost died fighting...Nyarlathotep? Presumably? On Aucturn

[vast burrow]

Oh huh was that in a playtest/Q&A or?

[limber comet]

Nah, in one of the Starfinder Paizocon panels

The text is super crunchy but ya

[clever cobalt]

Did they fuse or did something else happen?

[limber comet]

They fuse, yeah

[clever cobalt]

And iirc this was just as Aucturn was hatching

[limber comet]

Yeah Shelyn was trying to make it so Nyarlathotep couldn't...corrupt(?) the Newborn

[vast burrow]

Oh yeah the new god?

[limber comet]

Yeah

[vast burrow]

So the new god was born, Nyarly tried to corrupt them, Shelyn stopped her, Zon saved her, and they somehow fused somewhere along the way

Probably due to the aformentioned corruption I'm guessing

[limber comet]

More like fusing was the only way to keep Shelyn from dyinh

And I think the Newborn hatched after? It's not super clear

[vast burrow]

Ah yeah makes sense

[clever cobalt]

The Newborn is also a baby Outer God

Not just a "regular" god

[limber comet]

Did my best to get as little pixelation as possible

So basically

Shit hits the fan

[light gyro]

i cant believe this is revealed on the same spread as a baby crocodile alien in a tutu

[limber comet]

It's their birthday

[turbid dagger]

Mhm
It's both about kids on their birthday

[limber comet]

Also "baby crocodile"

That's a Vesk

They didn't (presumably) escape a dictatorship regime and come to Absalom Station to be called a baby crocodile

[vast burrow]

Oh that art is cute as hell

[light gyro]

the bard just crit-succeeded on belittling boast and now all the minions in this severe encounter are fleeing on round 1
dont worrry, i'll kill em next combat

oh my god the wizard is going to wall of stone them out the combat

[light gyro]

they did it twice

[carmine egret]

So I've ensnared a bunch of coworkers to play and one has the neat idea to play a cleric of Rovagug who gets converted at Sarenrae, either during play or between adventures. I like the idea but I'm trying to figure out just how much trouble it could cause; if it's too much she's find making the conversion a backstory element instead. Any thoughts?

[barren cipher]

i think that could be tough.

it depends a lot on the group and its ideals but it's sort of hard for me to imagine an adventuring party that would accept a cleric of rovagug and then subsequently a cleric of sarenrae unless they really just didn't give a shit at all

"friends, I have had an epiphany and am putting my evil ways behind me to dedicate my life to truth, justice and the glory of—"
"i'm happy for you, or sorry that that happened, can you still prepare heal? yes? then let's move on"

[carmine egret]

If it helps i'm currently planning a BB/AV combo. My assumption so far is that she might start out hiding her affiliations, but that might be tricky given his edicts.

[limber comet]

Clerics+ has a lawful evil...uh

Variant of Rovagug

Rovagug worship namely

[young chasm]

i personally probably wouldn't allow a cleric of rovagug yeah, there's just too much to make it work realistically - those are the kinds of dudes you'd kill on sight in universe

[barren cipher]

i mean you don't really have to do the edicts but it's pretty weird if you don't

[solar tendon]

it's like bug shamans in shadowrun

[barren cipher]

only the 'let material ties restrain you' anathema is really difficult in play

[carmine egret]

Gotcha. Yeah I feel like I could do it by just not taking the concept as seriously but I kind of want it to be able to to have weight, so it might be better for backstory.

[barren cipher]

yeah cult escapee is a lot easier to deal with

[solar tendon]

now wondering what other characters would fit in a rovagug > sarenrae arc

[light gyro]

they got food poisoning and now they don't wanna consume all living things

[warped orbit]

https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6uib0?Player-Core-2-Preview-The-Champion-Remastered

The Player Core 2 causes are justice, liberation, and obedience (open to all); desecration and iniquity (open only to unholy champions); and redemption and grandeur (open only to holy champions)

You choose a focus spell based on your deity’s divine font options. As before the remaster, you can choose lay on hands if your deity allows the heal divine font or touch of the void (formerly touch of corruption) if they allow the harm divine font. However, there’s also a new option for a deity with any font, specially made for defense-minded characters. Introducing shields of the spirit!

Shields of the Spirit [one-action] Focus 1
Uncommon, Champion, Concentrate, Focus, Sanctified, Spirit
Requirements You are wielding a shield.
You Raise your Shield, causing ephemeral spirit shields to float within your champion’s aura. The shields last until the start of your next turn or until you’re no longer raising your shield, whichever comes first. While one of your allies is in your champion’s aura, the shields grant them a +1 status bonus to AC, and each time an enemy makes an attack against the ally, the enemy takes 1d4 spirit damage (even if it misses).
The benefit applies only while an ally is in your aura, ending for any ally that leaves and applying to any that enters later. As normal, you don’t count as your own ally and therefore don’t get the benefits of the spirit shields yourself.
Heightened (+2) The damage increases by 1d4.

[barren cipher]

more active use of focus spells is a great change

oh, actually this is just a lay on hands option, hm

[warped orbit]

it's an alternative to LoH

[barren cipher]

i got excited for nothing

[warped orbit]

most applicable for deities who only have Harm font I guess, if you don't want Touch of Corruption

[turbid dagger]

I do like shields of the spirit a lot honestly
Raising shield as part of it is nive

I must assume it will be getting Mercy-esque enhancements also

[echo briar]

Going off this, one of the iconics is a kobold, hobgoblin, merfolk or popet commander, or a minotaur, sprite, dragonblood, or popet guardian

I'm pretty sure all of those are remaining uncommon in PC2, so thats interesting

[limber comet]

A kobold seems likely

I hadn't considered that

[echo briar]

so does a hobgoblin

[clever cobalt]

Hobgoblin Commander makes sense to me

[echo briar]

dragonblood or minotaur would be good advertising

[limber comet]

They'll reveal at gencon right

[echo briar]

sprite is unlikely, as Jason also said they aren't small, and tiny would be misleading.

[clever cobalt]

When's Gencon?

[echo briar]

same with the poppet guardian

[clever cobalt]

But yeah my money is on Hobgoblin commander

Makes the most sense to me

[limber comet]

August 1st-4th

[echo briar]

also someone guessed that one of them was a leshy or an orc, but I don't think thats it as it never mentioned which class it would be

[limber comet]

Or maybe it'll be announced when the playtest drops

[echo briar]

The playtest dropped like a month ago

[limber comet]

Okay so it's not a small guardian

Hmm

[turbid dagger]

Praying its a hob commander
We need more hobgoblin art

[echo briar]

(the monkeys paw curls) its a oven hob commander

used to advertise the new "awakened object" ancestry

[eager mountain]

my grab was pretyt clear

[rustic cape]

It'd be funny if Zon-Shelyn ended up as the Newborn's frustrated babysitter and/or wine-aunt

[solar tendon]

https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6uib0?Player-Core-2-Preview-The-Champion-Remastered=

pretty cool stuff

[solar jacinth]

I'm realizing that a great square one point for me when making a new PF character is basing them partially off a a game character. Preferably one that's typically silent in the game. It gives me a strong focus, but it's open enough to allow for lots of growth during a game.

That's kind of my issue with making PF characters. I need a concept before I can even start.

[carmine egret]

Query: could a cloister cleric with fighter dedication get comparable benefits to a war priest?

[novel merlin]

No, they'll never get the same armor or weapon proficiency

[carmine egret]

Gotcha

[carmine egret]

Me sharing Guns and Gears for the Inventor rules: "You know, you can play as a robot too."
My Gen Z coworker who I think is on the spectrum: 🤩

Didn't mention it earlier because I got the vibe he wanted to be more of a cyborg but now he's going straight for the "Automaton trying to build another one of themself" route, which I adore

[limber comet]

https://www.pathfinderinfinite.com/product/482788

This seems neat?

[turbid dagger]

Woah, inscriber seems really cool
Hemalurgist is also neat but 'wave caster that needs to trigger a special state to fight good in melee' worries me a little bit

Depends on how easy getting into Frenzy is I suppose

[frank crystal]

Wave caster?

[turbid dagger]

Magus and Summoner
They get the highest two ranks of spells a caster of their level has access too but lose the lower ranked ones

It has been, so far, how PF2e does 'half martial half casters'

[frank crystal]

Ahhh ok

[stuck bane]

Ah cause the graph is a wave

I’d missed that terminology for it too

[solar tendon]

oh thats what wave casting means?

I thought it was some kind of term equivalent to gish

like older than pf2e

[turbid dagger]

In PF2e they're basically synonyms cuz the wave casters we have are gishes
But they are called that specifically because, as CM noted, their spell ranks per level are a 'wave', new spell ranks rising as old ones disappear

[solar tendon]

mm

[turbid dagger]

https://2e.aonprd.com/Equipment.aspx?ID=1887

Hm
Would you be able to attack with this while grappling someone with it
What about if you use its special activation that functions 'as the Grab monster ability'

[warped orbit]

I believe you can?

[turbid dagger]

Old Grab specified that the monster can't use the attack with Grab while grappling in that way (iirc) but nuGrab seems to lack it

[warped orbit]

ah I thought there had been a thing on this, but couldn't find it

[turbid dagger]

That's why snakes and such get Wrap In Coils

But maybe that has been specifically undone in remaster

[warped orbit]

wasn't it that you can only use the grabbing appendage against the grabbed enemy?

but yeah RAW it seems the new Grab has no such restriction

[turbid dagger]

I'm unsure
Unlike legacy player stuff Nethys doesn't have a legacy grab page 💀

Well neat

Its still not perfect because RAW I can't double slice into the activation unless I do the Scizore second and eat the -2 penalty
But on a Fighter thats not much of a problem in exchange for a MAPless grapple after two strikes

[warped orbit]

okay I found it
the old Grab text about it was

Grab
Requirements The monster’s last action was a success with a Strike that lists Grab in its damage entry, or it has a creature grabbed using this action.
Effect The monster automatically Grabs the target until the end of the monster’s next turn. The creature is grabbed by whichever body part the monster attacked with, and that body part can’t be used to Strike creatures until the grab is ended.
Using Grab extends the duration of the monster’s Grab until the end of its next turn for all creatures grabbed by it. A grabbed creature can use the Escape action to get out of the grab, and the Grab ends for a grabbed creatures if the monster moves away from it.

[turbid dagger]

Flyssa slice -> Crab slice -> pinch 😌
Knife fighter grapple brawler

So yeah, that's a lot of text that is pointedly not in the new grab entry so I am inclined to think that it is just
Gone

Thank Heavens

(There is something to be said for the Crab Scizore having been designed with the old intent in mind and thus maybe not being balanced in the eyes of Paizo now BUT)

[warped orbit]

ehh, it's probably fine

I just wish the second activation on the crab claw was actually worth using

[turbid dagger]

They do typically want to avoid the 'attack three times' paradigm but yeah I'll take my food

[warped orbit]

but dealing 1-4 damage is just kinda....

[turbid dagger]

And yeah its Really Bad Thrash

[warped orbit]

I always wonder if they just messed up the wording on those

[turbid dagger]

In a system where you know exact health values I could see it getting some clutch uses
OR
Say,

If you are fighting something with Ferocity

[warped orbit]

same with the swarming rune

yeah but if it was just, base weapon dice in damage no modifiers

that would still be fair I think

[plucky snow]

What is MAP?

[turbid dagger]

Multiple Attack Penalty

[warped orbit]

Multiple Attack Penalty

[plucky snow]

Ah ty

[turbid dagger]

But yeah if a double slice fighter uses this and is adjacent to an enemy at turn start they can do 3 MAP actions and none actually get a penalty
(Aside from the -2 on Scizore but that's not technically MAP)

Its a really cool weapon
And a rare example, I think, of a Specific Magic Weapon that actually earns not being able to put extra property runes on it

Because like
An extra trait on a weapon + Grab is well worth two property runes

(And I can just put Impactful + Thundering on my other weapon anyway :3 )

[warped orbit]

I do like the crab scizore

the only tweaks I'd personally make is just

• make it Striking; it's level 5 it really has no excuse not to be
• make the damage on the second action a bit higher. As I said above, I think just rolling flat base damage dice seems fair to me

[barren cipher]

re. striking a lot of weapons are like that

all the level 12 specific weapons i just checked are only striking

[warped orbit]

huh, didn't notice before

but that's also weird tbh

[barren cipher]

it sort of makes sense from a budget perspective

property runes and such being purchased individually and all

[echo briar]

It’s impressive how much less you roll when you play a caster. Foundry tracks all of your d20 rolls, and after 8 levels of stolen fates, my bard has rolled 98 d20s, while everyone else is in the 300-400s

[barren cipher]

i imagine you're a big source of the gm rolling d20s though

[echo briar]

The good news is my median is like 15 and my mode is 20 due to me having the hero points to reroll most of my bad rolls

Where as the monk, with his last 25 rolls, has a median of 5 and 17 4s

[surreal basin]

god dammit swarms are immune to precision too?