I think 1 hour before that?
#Pathfinder
echo briar
I think that’s the correct time
clever cobalt
Yeah that's the correct time
echo briar
I’m in central time, and that says 6 pm. Pacific time is 2 hours before me, so 4 pm
scenic patio
east coast time would be???
clever cobalt
7pm
sinful gyro
Ah you got the time right Cyan
surreal basin
Also
I will note
Several godsrain gods had like
Metaphorical deaths
Or ego deaths
sinful gyro
Namoleon: Shelyn
Emily: Iomadae
Gabriel: Abadar
Alaizia: Iomedae/Torag
Starduster: Sarenrae
Alaen: Iomedae (side bet, by Arazni)
Gkathellar: Lamashtu
Halo: Sarenrae
Cyan: Lamashtu (but if it is Zon-Kuthon, Cyan gets all the biscuits)
Mourge 40k: Lamashtu
Pennywen: Torag
Rhi: Calistria
Polish Vampire: Lamashtu (Gozreh)
Matt: Sarenrae
Positiveaura: Iomedae
Giu: Gozreh
FaintlySpotted: Curveball
reminder of the current pool
surreal basin
See Zon Kuthoj and Irori
I think it’s entirely possible the god will be radically changed
unborn rain
I'd miss Lamashtu enough for the whole world
echo briar
Metaphorical deaths
Yea, but exemplars come from the exploded god stuff from said dead god
echo briar
Like, it could be from minor gods, but that seems weird
unborn rain
Lamashtu metaphorically dies but that does lead to her bleeding over the entire world
surreal basin
Like, it could be from minor gods, but that seems weird
they said that the iconic exemplar was not born of the core gods death
iirc
because his backstory used she/her pronouns for the god and they were like "yeah that doesn;t mean anything"
echo briar
So what other things do you hope to see in the stream? I hope they give some of the changes they made to the Exemplar and Animist
worthy stump
i'd be really interested to see more details on the Mythic stuff
warped orbit
yeah big same
surreal basin
I want them to say if mythic rules are just gonna be new archetypes
which i really hope they aren't lol
clever cobalt
Same
barren cipher
i would be surprised if it were just feats
surreal basin
like I want mythic to be a new progression system like 1e
echo briar
like I want mythic to be a new progression system like 1e
The problem is that probably needs a playtest, and we never got one
thorny berry
so, I'm kinda thinking about making a life oracle. Given free archetype, what's the best way to play around their weakness (probably taking medic as a given)? Thaum chalice or something? Life link seems to ignore temporary hit points, but it's at least something.
stuck bane
The thing is that while 1e mythic was cool, it was also kind of A Lot
echo briar
Whatever it is, its close enough to the base system that they didn't think it needed too much testing
barren cipher
so, I'm kinda thinking about making a life oracle. Given free archetype, what's ...
there's no substitute for not getting beaten up in the first place
surreal basin
I mean I want it to be kinda a lot
thorny berry
Whatever it is, its close enough to the base system that they didn't think it ne...
yeah, seems likely
though I suppose the comedy option is they slap so many 'HEY THIS ISN'T BALANCED AT ALL' labels on it that they figure it's not even worth testing lol
but that is uh
generally Not how 2e has operated
worthy stump
maybe it'll have some similarities to the Relic Gift system? i expect it to be closer to archetypes or something myself, but we've got no info atm so it's all speculation anyways
thorny berry
there's no substitute for not getting beaten up in the first place
...cleric for raise symbol, maybe?
barren cipher
do you have the actions?
thorny berry
It Depends (tm) I suppose
I guess just going for heavy armor prof is probably a better option
worthy stump
my suggestions would beee Alchemist or Herbalist to get elixirs you can heal yourself with, or Sentinel or Champion for extra tankiness
barren cipher
heavy armour proficiency has its own set of exciting problems
thorny berry
I'm wary of herbalist because the one time I took it I found that the healing by level scaled like absolute shit (esp when you factor in having to draw elixirs)
barren cipher
yeah i wouldn't bother trying to avoid the healing restrictions honestly
worthy stump
oh, true, the halving affects all healing
thorny berry
but you probably prefer dependable high flat healing to rolling some d6s
barren cipher
but really if you are getting beaten on in any significant fashion there's a problem an archetype can't solve
+1 ac from heavy armour is not going to be that clutch
i think getting shield block or something is probably better honestly
thorny berry
well yes but in any case the archetype feats are there and spending them on survivability seems sensible, considering
wait
comedy option
desecrator champion
barren cipher
if you can somehow wangle enough strength to avoid the horrific armour penalties champion archetype is pretty overpowered
worthy stump
thorny berry
desecrator champion
...oh it isn't even really that much, is it
barren cipher
and then get scaling proficiencies later
thorny berry
thaum amulet reaction is way higher (tho admittedly has exploit action tax)
worthy stump
if you can get your hands on some dawnsilver (new name for mithril) armor, that helps get around the penalties for not having enough strength by a lot
but expensive
solar storm
but honestly redeemer or liberator is just a lot better
thought i was in helldivers chat for a second ngl
barren cipher
by the time you can afford mithril you can pretty easily have 18 strength anyway though
warped orbit
...oh it isn't even really that much, is it
yeah Desecrator just gets worse damage reduction for some reason
barren cipher
it's just what you were going to put into dex anyway
scenic patio
I’m surprised there’s no leak
surreal basin
maybe it'll have some similarities to the Relic Gift system? i expect it to be c...
that would be my ideal
barren cipher
my dad works at nintendo and he said that actually all the prophecies are true and everyone marked 'safe' is actually going to die
unborn rain
yeah Desecrator just gets worse damage reduction for some reason
helping other people is simple more powerful than doing it for yourself
surreal basin
yeah imo the evil ones intentionally are kinda bad
barren cipher
(that would be hilarious actually)
surreal basin
the power of selfishness is cool and all but like
not very useful in a heavily party based setting
fossil temple
Doorstopper#27 reporting for duty
unborn rain
"I'm so selfish ha ha sets up flanking for my friend"
Evil campaigns have so many like unique things for them
fossil temple
"I stab you"
"Why"
"Because I am evil"
"So are WE"
"Yes but I want the power all for me"
warped orbit
helping other people is simple more powerful than doing it for yourself
yeah but also Amulet Thaum
which is of course a bit more limited because it only works against your Exploit target, but still
thorny berry
is bastion any good? esp with remaster shield runes
reactive shield for turns that can't afford the action tax is kinda nice
worthy stump
bastion is pretty good, yeah
thorny berry
especially if I also get raise symbol at some point
worthy stump
mhm, although you'd also need emblazon armaments to get that to work at the same time as raise shield
thorny berry
it'd take some doing yeah
worthy stump
bastion starts off with some weaker/more niche feats, but it has some bangers at 10+
free once a round reaction to shield block, especially
barren cipher
you do need to get shield block from somewhere
thorny berry
can't you just general feat it
worthy stump
you can
barren cipher
yeah, at 3
thorny berry
ah
barren cipher
or being a human i guess
that said reactive shield on its own is very good and you can get it from viking
extremely powerful archetype
stuck bane
I’m excited for bastion on my outlaws inventor
turbid dagger
```Rance: Sarenrae
Namoleon: Shelyn
Emily: Iomadae
Gabriel: Abadar
Alaizia: Iome...
I would like to submit-
My SOT GM, Giu, votes Gozreh, and it is also their birthday
You can put that in brackets by my vote because I'd be happy if they guessed right
sinful gyro
So Giu votes for Gozreh?
turbid dagger
Yep!
thorny berry
fuck it, I'll take the longshot bet on 'some sort of swerve'
none or multiple or not 'dying' in the sense that people actually expect
sinful gyro
Namoleon: Shelyn
Emily: Iomadae
Gabriel: Abadar
Alaizia: Iomedae/Torag
Starduster: Sarenrae
Alaen: Iomedae (side bet, by Arazni)
Gkathellar: Lamashtu
Halo: Sarenrae
Cyan: Lamashtu (but if it is Zon-Kuthon, Cyan gets all the biscuits)
Mourge 40k: Lamashtu
Pennywen: Torag
Rhi: Calistria
Polish Vampire: Lamashtu (Gozreh)
Matt: Sarenrae
Positiveaura: Iomedae
Giu: Gozreh
FaintlySpotted: Curveball ```"curveball"
echo briar
Gods no one has put in yet: Gorum and Norgorber
which is weird as Gorum is a decent pick
Not my pick obviously, but definitely plausible
barren cipher
they can't do norgorber, everyone would just go 'oh it's norgorber faking his death, don't fall for it guys' and continue with business as usual
scenic patio
Father skinsaw never dies 
echo briar
Same with Sarenrae TBH
Not that she's faking her death, but if anyone's death is temporary its hers
warped orbit
I don't think the god that dies will only die temporarily
echo briar
Too many people will just go "she'll be back in a few years, reborn like the phoenix"
echo briar
I don't think the god that dies will only die temporarily
Thats what I'm saying. No one will believe its permanent
clever cobalt
I'm honestly prepared to see people be disappointed regardless of who dies
Either they kill off someone important (that someone enjoys), or they kill off a god no one cares about and other people complain it isn't a big deal
Or somewhere in between
ionic pier
Same
turbid dagger
That would be the Arch-Copout yes
turbid dagger
I don't think the god that dies will only die temporarily
In response to this
warped orbit
yeah you can't make a big deal out of it if you reverse it later
which is why I'm pretty sure they won't
rustic cape
I suspect Paizo is well aware of the Death of Superman problem
scenic patio
I think that they should say ||F it ||and kills your fav in brutal fashion no respawns
barren cipher
scenic patio
I think that they should say ||F it ||and kills your fav in brutal fashion no re...
Just feeling a little edgy and frustrated visiting folks drives me crazy
true delta
Understandable.
scenic patio
I love my folks they just getting old
warped orbit
when is the reveal stream happening actually?
sinful gyro
1 hour from now
I probably can't watch it live
But I'll probably be awake
So feel free to let me know who died
Gonna say we probably don't need to spoiler tag it?
It doesn't seem like who it is, is meant to be a secret
turbid dagger
Yeah, its a World Event
light gyro
My SoT session is tomorrow so here's hoping for a funny outcome
worthy stump
i have an SoT session starting literally at the same time as the stream, so that'll be fun. the god dies in our game in real time
light gyro
The only pc that worships a specific god is the goblin alchemist worshipping lamasthu
light gyro
i have an SoT session starting literally at the same time as the stream, so that...
Before I learned it was specifically one of the core gods I was hoping (book 4 spoiler) ||walkena would drop dead mid diplomacy||
worthy stump
that would be funny, lmfao
clever cobalt
What happens if we win
worthy stump
a lot of minor gods are also dying, but i doubt that's one of 'em
clever cobalt
do we get bragging rights
light gyro
You take their place and mediate all arguments regarding their domains
solar tendon
a sot campaign could easily postdate this gods death haha
warped orbit
Before I learned it was specifically one of the core gods I was hoping (book 4 s...
could still happen
frank crystal
```Rance: Sarenrae
Namoleon: Shelyn
Emily: Iomadae
Gabriel: Abadar
Alaizia: Iome...
Im gonna bet Sarenrae, with my bet if paizo wants to be cowardly as Lamashtu
sinful gyro
Namoleon: Shelyn
Emily: Iomadae
Gabriel: Abadar
Alaizia: Iomedae/Torag
Starduster: Sarenrae
Alaen: Iomedae (side bet, by Arazni)
Gkathellar: Lamashtu
Halo: Sarenrae
Cyan: Lamashtu (but if it is Zon-Kuthon, Cyan gets all the biscuits)
Mourge 40k: Lamashtu
Pennywen: Torag
Rhi: Calistria
Polish Vampire: Lamashtu (Gozreh)
Matt: Sarenrae
Positiveaura: Iomedae
Giu: Gozreh
FaintlySpotted: Curveball
Magma Naught: Sarenrae
Ninguem: lamashtu
Any last takers?
clever cobalt
tough perch
```Rance: Sarenrae
Namoleon: Shelyn
Emily: Iomadae
Gabriel: Abadar
Alaizia: Iome...
im gonna join team lamashtu
as in team that thinks lamashtu will die
solar storm
What's the link to the stream? Is it the officialpaizo one?
limber comet
It's not up yet
sinful gyro
Should be that twitch channel though ye
solar storm
It's not up yet
yeah I mean for in about 20-25 mins when its up
clever cobalt
10 minutes
craggy thunder
If we actually are getting a role if we guessed right
It will be very funny if I’m correct
Cuz I’m the only one with my guess here
solar storm
probably not
sinful gyro
No role, we can't afford to make joke ones cos theres a limit
craggy thunder
F
solar storm
yeah
craggy thunder
Oh well
sinful gyro
Nice
sinful gyro
Ye just about to post that
clever cobalt
STREAM IS UP
sinful gyro
New god book
clever cobalt
limber comet
320??? GOD DAMN
solar storm
humongous
limber comet
THAT'S BIGGER THAN THE TIAN XIA BOOK
scenic patio
clever cobalt
Stream started
sinful gyro
Seems to be a gods and magic for the remaster
limber comet
Not even gods and magic was that big !!
clever cobalt
Paizo is muted lol
solar storm
It's an omen they're killing the sound god
solar storm
This is a Real Paizo Stream Experience
The bigger the tech hiccups the bigger the reveals
clever cobalt
I can't believe Paizo is dying in War of Immortals
limber comet
Obs shitted itself
clever cobalt
Yep
I feel bad for Jon lmao
He must feel so awkward
BACK TO THE STARTING PAGE
TIME REVERSAL
sinful gyro
The god doesn't wanna die
clever cobalt
5 new class archetypes including the avenger rogue archetype and the bloodrager barbarian archetype
https://paizo.com/products/btq02oar/discuss?Pathfinder-War-of-Immortals
Looks like the 4 Horsemen are involved somehow
limber comet
OH THAT COVER ROCKS
sinful gyro
Cooool
scenic patio
Hate the title logo love the art
clever cobalt
9 mythic destinies, including the fearsome apocalypse rider and the undying eternal legend
We 4e now boys
and girls
ionic pier
Is that a unicorn with a sword horn
ionic pier
Oooh
scenic patio
Is that a unicorn with a sword horn
The horse of WAR
sinful gyro
Alongside these new classes are rules for running mythic games, archetypes for playing legendary characters, and a wide array of new items, spells, and monsters to tell stories straight out of myth and legend
Mythic levels
Let's go
solar storm
Is that Arazni on the cov- oh is that War?
clever cobalt
sinful gyro
8 mythic monster threats to
sinful gyro
So like, beyond level 26?
clever cobalt
His Death
sinful gyro
I think 26 is the highest even seen so far
clever cobalt
Gods are not meant to die. They're supposed to be immortal, too powerful to be struck down or wither to dust like the people of Golarion. It has been more than a century since Aroden, god of humanity, met his mysterious doom, and his death ushered in a new era of uncertain prophecy and turmoil—the Age of Lost Omens. Now another god has died, his death broadcast across the skies in a metaphysical projection of his murder reverberating over any world on which he was worshipped. And from his rent corpse falls the Godsrain, a torrent of the god's blood and divine essence. Those touched by this rain are blessed—some would say cursed—with a god-spark that imbues upon them mythic power.
limber comet
HIS DEATH??
clever cobalt
yeah
scenic patio
No no it’s aroden novel
clever cobalt
Nope, second one
sinful gyro
Whose that leave?
clever cobalt
it also refers to the new dead god with His
solar storm
RIP Torag
scenic patio
Oh no 😟
sinful gyro
Which male God's are on the list?
solar storm
Calling it now
clever cobalt
Torag and Abadar come to mind
maybe Gozreh? Dunno their orientation
or Nogroboer
those are the 4 males remaining
turbid dagger
Gozreh is NB I think
clever cobalt
in that case
sinful gyro
Man these audio issues really screwed them over
sinful gyro
Gotta be Torag
limber comet
Also new AP! It's about the orcs of Belkzen
clever cobalt
alos
turbid dagger
Typically presented as a watery female and stormy dude, Gozreh
limber comet
sinful gyro
Also new AP! It's about the orcs of Belkzen
Link?
barren cipher
torag dying doesn’t sound like such a big deal, the dwarves can just make another one
solar storm
I hear voices
limber comet
I guessed wrong fuck
ionic pier
```Gods are not meant to die. They're supposed to be immortal, too powerful to b...
Where did you get this from?
sinful gyro
Do you think that confirms who it is?
clever cobalt
WE'RE HERE
frank crystal
Damn
clever cobalt
NOISES
frank crystal
Looks like I’m not getting that title
clever cobalt
VOICES
sinful gyro
Where did you get this from?
Store page for the book
solar storm
yes I'm ready to go
frank crystal
I’m ready
echo briar
I need to pee, can they wait a few minuets?
clever cobalt
nO
frank crystal
I need to pee, can they wait a few minuets?
Ask them
barren cipher
this is tragic, i shouldn’t laugh
clever cobalt
https://paizo.com/products/btq02f1b/discuss?Pathfinder-Adventure-Path-206-Bring-...
NORGROBER IS ON THE COVER OF THIS
barren cipher
this is basically my worst nightmare made manifest and is not funny
clever cobalt
IT'S THE LAST AP BEFORE THE BOOK PROPER
frank crystal
NORGROBER IS ON THE COVER OF THIS
Who’s that?
clever cobalt
crime god
frank crystal
Oh damn
solar storm
Him being on that cover might not mean he dies tho
frank crystal
Was he on the list?
solar tendon
norgorber is one of the ascended
clever cobalt
yep
solar tendon
he's basically core by default
clever cobalt
I like his art
stuck bane
He’s fairly significant iirc
frank crystal
Oh
barren cipher
yeah he’s a big deal but honestly he could just as easily be the one doing the stabbing
clever cobalt
Yeah
solar storm
this 2bh
solar tendon
MOVE OVER TERRASQUE
scenic patio
HELL YEAH
scenic patio
As in orc god enemy neat
frank crystal
is he the one that killed the gods?
Would make sense
clever cobalt
Several dieties?
sinful gyro
Probably now a mythic threat
frank crystal
If anything could it would be a Rovagug spawn
sinful gyro
Yeah several gods are dying, 1 is core
solar tendon
the dead god is called redacted :O
frank crystal
Rad design
clever cobalt
Yep, he's a corrupted Orc God
ember bay
Wait, the Worldwound is reopening?
solar tendon
just one fo them
solar storm
Szurial?
frank crystal
Oh ok
solar storm
Not Aranzi on the cover
turbid dagger
Dwarves fighting an orc god thats come back..............................
Yeah uh
Lookin like Torag
solar tendon
feel like the laws of mortality ppl are gonna end up having a real 'I told you so' complex in the coming years
turbid dagger
feel like the laws of mortality ppl are gonna end up having a real 'I told you s...
Assuming that is not how they operate all the time
frank crystal
feel like the laws of mortality ppl are gonna end up having a real 'I told you s...
They’re the atheist right?
clever cobalt
Pray for Death?
turbid dagger
They're the reddit atheists yes
clever cobalt
Oh shit
warped orbit
Assuming that is not how they operate all the time
of course they do
solar tendon
I mean
clever cobalt
Red Mantis AP?
frank crystal
Ah ok
clever cobalt
nice
sinful gyro
Red mantis ap
warped orbit
They’re the atheist right?
they say gods are not worthy of worship
that humans can and should stand by themselves, without divine meddling
sinful gyro
adventure for 14th level characters, and give
frank crystal
feel like the laws of mortality ppl are gonna end up having a real 'I told you s...
I’m gonna start worshiping the gods harder to spite them
sinful gyro
Jeez
frank crystal
Oh shit
solar tendon
just like
clever cobalt
involves meaning you interact with them
echo briar
That would lead very nicely into a mythic level campaign
I believe they said mythic rules are not lvl 20+ rules
solar tendon
hey [deity] would you say you are one day from retirement
echo briar
so a mythic AP would have to start at a lower level than this AP ends
turbid dagger
Huh....
Belkzen AP is 3 to 11
Very funky
clever cobalt
The book says Mythic Levels
solar tendon
hey [deity] would you like to show me a wallet picture of your kids
frank crystal
Wait so will we not know who dies until the AP?
clever cobalt
but it could be a seperate thing
no we figure it out today
they're just holding it close to their ches tfor now
sinful gyro
They're gonna tell us today
frank crystal
Oh ok
solar tendon
it's just suspense
clever cobalt
neither is used for mythic stuff
sinful gyro
I believe they said mythic rules are not lvl 20+ rules
That's probably for the best
clever cobalt
but they do plan mythic stuff
in the future
He's muted again
The God of sound is vicious
echo briar
They had an official poll, I assume thats going to be talked about before they reveal
frank crystal
Is there actually a god of sound?
sinful gyro
Not that I know of
frank crystal
solar tendon
desna is the song of the spheres
scenic patio
Cool I’m trying to keep up with all this information
sinful gyro
Mythic levels will probably be a high powered free archetype is my guess
Which would be very cool
sinful gyro
Less rules baggage that way
scenic patio
Mythic levels will probably be a high powered free archetype is my guess
Great idea
turbid dagger
The way its phrased in the storefront makes me think they're seperate from archetypes but yeah I hope so
Free archetype (mythic archetypes only) would be the cleanest way
echo briar
Honestly, my dream is more like class archetypes than normal archetypes
eager mountain
pathfinder tales are back!
echo briar
why is the A prominent?
eager mountain
idk
clever cobalt
Abadar obviously
scenic patio
Nooo 🫣
solar tendon
maybe it flips upside down and becomes godsruin
turbid dagger
TorAg
ANorgorber
clever cobalt
That cover looks sick
eager mountain
solar storm
scrungled as fuck
clever cobalt
SOUND GOD STRIKES AGAIN
warm shadow
That's a cool beastie
limber comet
I hope that Mythic options don't become the norm, it would suck just to have it like 1e where mythic kinda just. Absorbed normal play
Might be an unpopular opinion
turbid dagger
Oh I doubt that
frank crystal
I doubt most campaigns will even reach mythic stuff
clever cobalt
frank crystal
Oh
limber comet
I dunno
frank crystal
I thought it was 20+ stuff
clever cobalt
it sorta is
stuck bane
Well no
clever cobalt
it's complicated
turbid dagger
I feel like a lot of campaign concepts just dont work well with mythic
'we need to catch the troll bandit leader Gurgag Skin-ear'
'also, I'm glowing with silver light'
limber comet
They've explicitly said that it's not
sinful gyro
Arazni got a front cover
frank crystal
Ah my b
stuck bane
It can get you to level 20+, sorta, but it’s parallel to your normal leveling
frank crystal
I feel like a lot of campaign concepts just dont work well with mythic
'we need ...
Maybe it’s just an arcane silver light
sinful gyro
For the new god book
frank crystal
There’s plenty of light spells
ionic pier
I mean you make a mythic story for a mythic game :p
eager mountain
echo briar
Godsrain is narated by Yivali, lets go
eager mountain
clever cobalt
Oh hey, Starstone
stuck bane
Which affected average party level for the purposes of CR (in theory, CR was not great)
solar tendon
what is iomedae doing here
solar storm
Godstone Pictured
eager mountain
what is iomedae doing here
ascending
solar storm
Starstone whoops
solar tendon
why does it look like that
turbid dagger
I mean you make a mythic story for a mythic game :p
We were talking in the context of 'I hope people don't run only mythic games once WOI drops'
clever cobalt
They're gonna start hinting at how the Starstone works
solar tendon
did that happen in 1e?
clever cobalt
No
turbid dagger
And my point was that people are going to still want to run stories that are not Mythic
sinful gyro
Ooo were gonna learn about the star stone
solar tendon
I didn't think so
clever cobalt
We know next to nothing about the Starstone
stuck bane
I only played one mythic campaign that I didn’t run for 1e
echo briar
and how gods actually work
ionic pier
And my point was that people are going to still want to run stories that are not...
Aah sorry convo has been moving fast
echo briar
god anatomy
ionic pier
All good
sinful gyro
clever cobalt
The Orc who challenged a god
clever cobalt
Oh nice archetypes
frank crystal
I like to think he ascended
solar storm
just a sword wtf
solar tendon
class archetype for clerics?????
sinful gyro
The Orc who challenged a god
If that's the case, that'd be so cooool I've been talking about that a lot with this god death stuff
turbid dagger
We have a god thats a book so nothing weird there
clever cobalt
Battle Harbinger, Rivethun Emissary, Palatine Detective
solar tendon
they made warpriest good and now they're like
echo briar
solar tendon
what if warr-erpriest...
turbid dagger
Woah!!!!!
The Battle Harbinger art is the Warpriest Iconic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holy shit!!!
limber comet
More class archetypes pog
clever cobalt
Palatine Detective seems like a Thaumaturge Investigator
turbid dagger
stuck bane
Wait what are these images
turbid dagger
Also this means it isn't Gorum lmao
clever cobalt
Archetypes
frank crystal
Cool orc
eager mountain
warped orbit
Palatine Detective seems like a Thaumaturge Investigator
it seems Investigator with divine casting
solar tendon
who's hanging out with the bird on that cover
eager mountain
who's hanging out with the bird on that cover
arazni
sinful gyro
OH SHIT ITS MAHJA
#881554741732180048 message
It fucking is, very cool
eager mountain
who is joining the core 20
warped orbit
who is joining the core 20
Arazni
clever cobalt
WARLORD......
limber comet
WHAT
clever cobalt
It's the Warlord
solar tendon
wait that was arazni???
limber comet
WHAT WHAT WHAT
clever cobalt
But renamed
solar storm
IT'S HAPPENING
limber comet
WHAT WHAT WHAT
warped orbit
Warlord class
sinful gyro
2 new classes
frank crystal
WARLOOOOOORD
limber comet
MARTIALS!!
turbid dagger
FUCKING WARLORRRRDDDDDDD
aAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
GAUGIENBIEWGUBOEUBOGMRGPOERGIERPGIREOGNEORIGNIPERGPERGRDONDEO9APKDEPOQKD/AWEOS9K
sinful gyro
Commander and Guardian
limber comet
WOAH
clever cobalt
solar tendon
no one thought calistra
echo briar
Goddamn a lot of people were betting Lamahtsu
She was the only one not mentioned in any prophecy, and some of the others were so shoehorned in that it seemed very intentional
thorny berry
wild
..commander is especially curious now that it's kinda competing with sf2 envoy for design space
thorny berry
sure but soldier wasn't just Fighter Again
clever cobalt
Not CHA
echo briar
..commander is especially curious now that it's kinda competing with sf2 envoy f...
And I'm very happy about that
clever cobalt
HERE WE GO
limber comet
Commander is an intelligent class
clever cobalt
GORUM
limber comet
GORUM
thorny berry
interesting, interesting
limber comet
HOLY FUCK
solar tendon
GORUM
craggy thunder
no one thought calistra
I carried the torch in this server
limber comet
WHAT
sinful gyro
Gorumb
solar storm
haha btfo
turbid dagger
ITS HIMMMM
craggy thunder
WELL THEN
turbid dagger
GORUM
rustic cape
Gorum?!!!
solar tendon
live by the sword die by the sword
surreal basin
Fuckin wild
clever cobalt
Jagganoth got him
surreal basin
That’s pretty rad
turbid dagger
Cool! I'm fine with this!!
echo briar
He was always my 3rd pick lol
frank crystal
Oh shit Gorum?
limber comet
JAGGANOTH GOT HIM!!! NOOOO!!!
rustic cape
I guess Gorum was kinda boring
solar tendon
an iconic's god was killed
solar storm
Ok did anyone have that?
solar tendon
(amiri)
clever cobalt
Oh he'll die in an AP?
frank crystal
an iconic's god was killed
Which iconic?
solar storm
Amiri
solar tendon
barb
rustic cape
Oh he'll die in an AP?
War of Immortals
solar tendon
she goes 'FOR GORUM' a lot
frank crystal
Ohhhh she was a Gorum follower
young chasm
what a lame and unbelievably safe choice for a god to die
turbid dagger
Thats interesting though
My 'they won't kill a god thats an iconic' theory was right, but it was for.... the Iconic they brought back in this book
clever cobalt
People were gonna be upset regardless
sinful gyro
Namoleon: Shelyn
Emily: Iomadae
Gabriel: Abadar
Alaizia: Iomedae/Torag
Starduster: Sarenrae
Alaen: Iomedae (side bet, by Arazni)
Gkathellar: Lamashtu
Halo: Sarenrae
Cyan: Lamashtu (but if it is Zon-Kuthon, Cyan gets all the biscuits)
Mourge 40k: Lamashtu
Pennywen: Torag
Rhi: Calistria
Polish Vampire: Lamashtu (Gozreh)
Matt: Sarenrae
Positiveaura: Iomedae
Giu: Gozreh
FaintlySpotted: Curveball
Magma Naught: Sarenrae
Ninguem: lamashtu
Literally none of us guessed it, lamo
clever cobalt
No one wins
echo briar
I even said that it was weird no one guessed it lol
surreal basin
Apperantly unpopular opinion but this is fine and cool
clever cobalt
Nah it's cool
turbid dagger
Yeah I think its neat
clever cobalt
Im satisfied
surreal basin
Just because it’s not some crazy subversion twist doesn’t mean it’s bad
sinful gyro
Yeah like, there's a shit ton of cool stuff happening
solar tendon
gorum isn't like spicy but he is very appropriate
limber comet
Gorum dying causing a war is perfect
turbid dagger
Gorum does not have much personality but I do think 'war god dying makes god war' is cute
sinful gyro
Someone update his wiki page
warm shadow
Yeah, I think it's pretty neat too
solar tendon
he's not dead yet!
clever cobalt
Someone update his wiki page
already? lmao
limber comet
Time to listen to Heaven's Falling Down on repeat for the next five hours
eager mountain
I should have added gorum to my bet
surreal basin
Also we get sick shit like his fucking armor raining down
eager mountain
becuase like I kinda had gorum in the back of my head the whole time
solar tendon
clock starts ticking whenever the adventure releases
turbid dagger
I'm satisfied with this
I was so worried it would be.... Sarenrae or something lmao
clever cobalt
Do a lot of orcs worship Gorum?
stuck bane
Wait so catching up, Gorum is for sure the god that died?
solar storm
Apperantly unpopular opinion but this is fine and cool
Yeah I'm good with this
sinful gyro
Wait so catching up, Gorum is for sure the god that died?
Yes
clever cobalt
Yep
solar storm
Reasonably big deal but not making me mad
sinful gyro
Confirmed
warped orbit
I was fairly sure Sarenrae and Shelyn would be safe
echo briar
My question, what does Arazni do to/for gorum to get into the core 20?
stuck bane
Oh no Amiri
warped orbit
because it would have been really depressing to be them
turbid dagger
My question, what does Arazni do to/for gorum to get into the core 20?
She's not related
I think this has been clear from the start
sinful gyro
My question, what does Arazni do to/for gorum to get into the core 20?
They're keeping how he died vague, but he looked stabbed by dark smoke
ember bay
"Blood for Gorum!" But what about Blood of Gorum?
clever cobalt
Honestly it sounds like the former-god-turned-rovugug-spawn many be the one who kills him
echo briar
She's not related
It could be
sinful gyro
Honestly it sounds like the former-god-turned-rovugug-spawn many be the one who ...
Very possible
solar storm
Honestly it sounds like the former-god-turned-rovugug-spawn many be the one who ...
That feels really likely
clever cobalt
Why the god of war died in a war. Is he stupid ?????
turbid dagger
Its always been presented as 'one god is dying, Arazni is a core god now'
Correlation with no causation
solar storm
Gorum dying to start a HUGE war is what he'd have wanted
clever cobalt
True
echo briar
Its always been presented as 'one god is dying, Arazni is a core god now'
Correl...
because that would be spoilers
solar tendon
this is arazni?
solar tendon
didn't recognise her haha
clever cobalt
limber comet
Arazni haters claim she caused it smh
sinful gyro
She's doing good these days
ember bay
Gorum dying to start a HUGE war is what he'd have wanted
"Beat the shit out of each other. My final message. Goodbye...."
echo briar
like they couldn't just say "she becomes one of the core 20 because it kills a spawn of rovagug that killed gorum" now could they?
sinful gyro
Dude is cracked open
solar storm
I think he's leaking plot maguffins
limber comet
So the prismatic ray is changing in a different way
solar storm
With that creepy smoke
sinful gyro
I'm very glad that the new orc god was the one from the AP though. Least I got that production right
limber comet
Fascinating
clever cobalt
I think he's leaking plot maguffins
it turns inton the Godsrain
echo briar
So the prismatic ray is changing in a different way
hair cut
sinful gyro
I was saying they'd be part of this for months
surreal basin
Prismatic Ray is absolutely adding Arazni imo
solar tendon
primastic ray is probably at the very least changing it's name to be a pun on a spell they're not sunsetting from the game xP
sinful gyro
Godclaws changing to
solar storm
it turns inton the Godsrain
I agree, I just think there might be more
ember bay
Oh wait he was a part of the Godsclaw?
clever cobalt
oh there most definetly is
solar storm
Gorum is a good choice for the source of all Exemplars too
clever cobalt
This is just the tip of the iceberg I feel
warped orbit
they did mention some more minor gods might die
clever cobalt
and yeah
solar storm
Reasonably neutral to not make them feel weird
warped orbit
Oh wait he was a part of the Godsclaw?
yeah
clever cobalt
He also isn't like
good or evil
so him dying doesn't cause a narrative imbalance?
solar storm
Like if you were empowered by Lamashtu that might feel weird
solar tendon
I'm glad iomedae and arazni have to co-exist
clever cobalt
I'm glad iomedae and arazni have to co-exist
That's gonna be awkward
sinful gyro
Arazni is the new hotness in the polycule
solar tendon
I think there's room for angst
warped orbit
Arazni is the new hotness in the polycule
did they confirm that?
solar tendon
but also like
warped orbit
because it was my prediction
sinful gyro
Can't wait to learn about sword god
stuck bane
Sword god?
solar storm
poor guy lol
sinful gyro
There's a new god whose a sword
clever cobalt
a god that's a sword
solar tendon
there's a sentient sword god who is a god of being sentient sword
warm shadow
I love sentient swords in any context, having one that's a god is so good
sinful gyro
Vampire guy seems cool
solar tendon
I wonder if uh
surreal basin
mythic is not archetypes
sinful gyro
What's it say?
surreal basin
It says that there are new archetypes for legendary characters and THEN
goes on to say 9 mythic destinies
eager mountain
sinful gyro
Eh I guess
Might not be archetypes then
Shame, that would just make more sense imo
scenic patio
Wow got got
sinful gyro
Hate what?
surreal basin
If it was just archetypes
sinful gyro
How come?
scenic patio
Gourm? Died
sinful gyro
Gourm is dead ye
surreal basin
Not everything needs to archetypes, in addition, mythic stuff SHOULD be crazy strong and so I would want it to not be like
competing
sinful gyro
Not everything needs to archetypes, in addition, mythic stuff SHOULD be crazy st...
Why would it be competing? They could just make them crazy strong and say only take it in a mythic campaign
surreal basin
it also wouldn't work with how mythic works narratively imo
scenic patio
Gourm is dead ye
NICE 😊
surreal basin
which is that it essentially takes you beyond normal characters
to fight stronger threats
scenic patio
ALL MY FAVORITES ARE ALIVE
solar tendon
I mean the thing is in that case it defeats the point of making them archetypes in the first place
sinful gyro
Like, it being an archetype doesn't mean it has to be balanced against existing ones at all
Just make it fuck off strong and say "no touching unless the GM says so"
solar tendon
like the whole concept of archetypes is alternative class feats
sinful gyro
I mean the thing is in that case it defeats the point of making them archetypes ...
It cuts down on bloat though
solar tendon
does it?
sinful gyro
Yeah
surreal basin
That's not the end all be all of game design tho imo
like
the game is not currently bloated
sinful gyro
Cos now there's another another rule system for leveling
solar storm
mythic is not archetypes
very happy about it
ember bay
So I guess Amari is the one who is going to become Mythic in that book? Safe guess huh?
solar storm
plausible yeah
echo briar
I hope they create some minor gods just to kill them. Like we are introduced to them as corpses
stuck bane
I mean that’s what mythic was before, and it was made that way to create a sense of progression outside of what normal people achieve without mythic powers
sinful gyro
I hope they create some minor gods just to kill them. Like we are introduced to ...
He was the god of sound
sinful gyro
?
limber comet
They did that in Love and Thunder
Killed a "bunch of minor gods" off screen
So our first introduction is to their corpse
sinful gyro
They fuckin killed Gorr is what they did
echo briar
I more mean “the god of tax collectors is dead, here’s a in-depth look at how that effects everything”
sinful gyro
Although in the comics, Gorr also got their power from 2 off screen gods dying so
sinful gyro
But nah, folks who die will be ones we know
limber comet
Idk it's just underwhelming
solar storm
Yeah Paizo's already put more onscreen than the MCU did
scenic patio
Who also died?
sinful gyro
Gorum
solar storm
One of the orc gods
surreal basin
Dragon eagle
sinful gyro
And that one orc guy became a spawn of rovagug
sinful gyro
And we're getting 4 new none core gods
solar storm
eager mountain
the dragon eagle goes out like a hero
sinful gyro
And likely some others are dying
solar storm
WAIT
eager mountain
solar storm
Is the new Sword God Gorum's Sword?
sinful gyro
Was his sword a living sword?
eager mountain
The Dragon Eagle catches a bit of god stuff from gorum , falling into the world wound. flies into the sky and fucking explodes.
sinful gyro
I think they're unrelated, but it'd be cool if they were
sinful gyro
Is the new Sword God Gorum's Sword?
Counter point. It's the sword that killed him. Since his blood is giving people mythic powers
solar storm
Might make the sword drink deep of his blood
eager mountain
Is the new Sword God Gorum's Sword?
wait wait ive seen this before
- ksbd reference *
limber comet
It is a bit weird that the war god died
sinful gyro
How so?
clever cobalt
It's what he would have wanted
limber comet
I dunno that kinda seems like
clever cobalt
The War of Immortals
sinful gyro
War will still happen
limber comet
It's just strange
eager mountain
It is a bit weird that the war god died
I mean it makes sense
sinful gyro
His death is making a war happen
eager mountain
taht he would die in battle
scenic patio
Someone will pick up the Mantel
limber comet
I wonder how his death will affect the world
solar storm
He used to be a war god now he's just a War
clever cobalt
His dearh starting a War of Gods actually makes sense
eager mountain
Someone will pick up the Mantel
they have said that his mantle will not be taken up
solar storm
Sublimated the limits of personified being
clever cobalt
Given what we've seen in the Godsrain Prophecy sruff
sinful gyro
I wonder how his death will affect the world
That's literally what the next 4 books are about
scenic patio
More conflicts then TOO WAR
solar tendon
it makes sense because like
eager mountain
IIRC , hes the god of FAIR battle
solar tendon
if there was a god war with him involved it would be like uhhh he's the God of War
eager mountain
but yeah Gorum dying erupts conflict
solar tendon
it'd be like getting into an art competition with shelyn
clever cobalt
but yeah Gorum dying erupts conflict
Which tracks with what other God's deaths do
eager mountain
like gorum was a stabalizing force ironically
clever cobalt
So it makes sense
sinful gyro
There's all this speculation on whose killed Gorum and I'm just thinking, why isn't it the guy we should suspect first?
scenic patio
I kinda forgot that Gorum existed lol 😂
sinful gyro
Gorumn was holding us back from playing warlord, he was hogging all the war
warped orbit
hype for Commander
scenic patio
The children yearn for the trenches and battlements
warped orbit
also didn't expect a playtest so soon
clever cobalt
I do wonder if the Godsrain is literal godblood, or if that's metaphorical
warped orbit
two weeks
clever cobalt
It would be rad if it was
solar tendon
what if there was like
clever cobalt
It's quite shrimple, actually
solar tendon
like a sibling to the red mantis and grandmother spider who was a shrimp
worthy stump
achaekek isn't allowed to kill full gods, iirc
clever cobalt
Also he was confirmed alive
Wait a second
The God of War dies
And the Horsemen of War is on the cover of WoI
solar tendon
he can't kill a full god
but
full god basically just means a god achaekek won't kill
sinful gyro
achaekek isn't allowed to kill full gods, iirc
The perfect cover
clever cobalt
Maybe we'll find out how Aroden died :v
eager mountain
so you guys read about triumph of the tusk ?
In the Triumph of the Tusk Adventure Path, the PCs are dignitaries representing the few orc communities or foreign organizations who answered Ardax’s call. Their mission of peace soon turns violent when supernatural weather disasters, betrayals, undead uprisings, and even deicide turn the orcs’ homeland into a desperate battlefield. With the PCs’ help, Belkzen won’t just survive, but will earn the respect it has always deserved!```"It can't be the guy who kills gods cos he said he can't kill some gods"
sinful gyro
```For ages, the orcs of Belkzen have been marginalized, subjugated, and vilifie...
Ye it looks cool
solar tendon
wait no actually achaekek can't kill a certain level of god
ember bay
Funny, Gorum's worshippers believed that he would only die by rusting away if all conflict ended but his actual death looks kind of violent and kick starts more conflict.
sinful gyro
Belkzen has always interested me since i read about it in lastwall
solar tendon
because he was empowered by that level of god to kick the ladder out from underneath them
turbid dagger
I'm still SO fascinated that the art they used for Battle Herald is just
The GORUMITE WARPRIEST Iconic
So many questions
Is he still gonna be mechanically possible? Is Battle Herald an archetype that makes Warpriest a martial???????
clever cobalt
Yeah
I do find it interesting how Lastfall is like
Best friends with two commonly thought "evil" nations
sinful gyro
I'm still SO fascinated that the art they used for Battle Herald is just
The GOR...
It's a class archetypes according to Luis
clever cobalt
Oprak and Belkzen
solar storm
Funny, Gorum's worshippers believed that he would only die by rusting away if al...
he’s not REALLY dead while war rages guys
scenic patio
```For ages, the orcs of Belkzen have been marginalized, subjugated, and vilifie...
Looks cool
solar tendon
like his whole job is to stop people becoming full gods if the gods don't want it to happen
turbid dagger
It's a class archetypes according to Luis
Oh I knew that
My Q was everything else
sinful gyro
Ah my bad
clever cobalt
Granted the Lastwall people being nice tracks
eager mountain
The Resurrection Flood is an orc-focused Pathfinder adventure for four 3rd-level characters. The adventure begins the Triumph of the Tusk Adventure Path, a three-part monthly campaign in which an eclectic band of dignitaries become battle-hardened survivalists fighting for orcs’ homeland and independence. This volume includes an overview of orc culture, an exploration of the Flood Truce tradition, new magical items, and fearsome creatures that wander the wilds!
clever cobalt
Because they're pretty much the boyscout of the setting
sinful gyro
But yeah you're gonna lose your divine font
clever cobalt
Interestingly
sinful gyro
Best friends with two commonly thought "evil" nations
Gotta get all the allies they can
clever cobalt
Isn't one of the archetypes in WoI (the Orc guy in armor) a worshipper of Gorum and a Divine Caster
clever cobalt
Im gonna presume there's gonna be a Lastwall background, or something to that amount
sinful gyro
That'd make sense
clever cobalt
Also iirc
sinful gyro
I wonder if we'll see some characters from the lastwall book
clever cobalt
Isn't each Spawn of Rovugug deadlier than the last
And given we now have a literal former god Spawn of Rovugug
sinful gyro
This one isn't really a full spawn thou
solar tendon
idk the thing is lastwall is also allies with molthune n stuff who are much worse
clever cobalt
True
sinful gyro
More a corrupted god due to rovugug
limber comet
I hope we get another "Eye of Abendgo" that's full of Gorum's giant armor pieces
clever cobalt
idk the thing is lastwall is *also* allies with molthune n stuff who are much wo...
Oh yeah, totally
sinful gyro
idk the thing is lastwall is *also* allies with molthune n stuff who are much wo...
They can't afford to be enemies with anyone but tar baphon imo
solar tendon
no totally
sinful gyro
They're operating out of one city
solar tendon
it's just like
clever cobalt
Oprak and Belkzen are just interesting because (back when Alignment was around) they were technically evil nations
But they're genuinely involved with Lastwall
Which are boyscouts
solar tendon
neither really can exist in any other way than they do
turbid dagger
Isn't one of the archetypes in WoI (the Orc guy in armor) a worshipper of Gorum ...
Yes
Literally the Warpriest Iconic in 1e
https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Oloch
sinful gyro
Oprak and Belkzen just want nations for their people thou
clever cobalt
Oprak needs political validation
solar tendon
because the rest of the societies that supposedly aren't 'evil' treat the ancestries within horribly
clever cobalt
Belkzen really hates Tar Baphon
solar storm
I hope we get another "Eye of Abendgo" that's full of Gorum's giant armor pieces
Or that freaky tower
turbid dagger
Also yeah I am feasting with these APs
I love the idea of a Belkzen game
sinful gyro
For Oprak, that's more complicated, but the orcs have always been there i think
limber comet
Or that freaky tower
Which one lol
solar tendon
oooh
turbid dagger
I'm playing an Oprak dude in our Kingmaker game
Literal nation-building mission
clever cobalt
I wonder if we'll get the long teased "the Dwarves apologize" thing
solar tendon
is battle herald gonna be like more warpriest inspired
solar storm
The one from that dead goddess with the weirdo elves who live there
turbid dagger
To get political allies
solar tendon
1e warpriest inspired
clever cobalt
Or did thst happen in SKT
limber comet
Mordant Spire?
solar tendon
cause I love warpriesttt
sinful gyro
I'm playing an Oprak dude in our Kingmaker game
Literal nation-building mission
Bro what, so am I?
solar storm
Mordant Spire?
Yeah!
eager mountain
I wonder if we'll get the long teased "the Dwarves apologize" thing
they kinda do something with it in sky king's tomb
i think
clever cobalt
Moving away from Alignment was a good thing
turbid dagger
is battle herald gonna be like more warpriest inspired
I hope so!!!!!!!
My dream guess is that the class archetype takes warpriest and makes it a straight up martial with prof and all in exchange for less stuff on the divine casting end
Especially with all the 'do strike and X happens' feats with remaster warpriest
warped orbit
I could see it making Warpriest more like a wavecaster maybe?
turbid dagger
Is yours a medic bow fighter to?
Marshal Bastard Sword Fighter, actually 😛
Remorseless Lash and Snagging Strike to just obliterate enemy AC
sinful gyro
Almost then
solar tendon
warpriest was kinda like if magus but self buffing instead of spellstriking
turbid dagger
Staff Sergeant Egar Kalt! One of my fave RPG characters ever
He's like James Bond if he was a Hobgoblin
And ace, which might be a larger departure from classic james bond than being a hobgoblin
turbid dagger
I thought it was just an adventure
clever cobalt
Possibly
turbid dagger
Like, one book type beat
clever cobalt
Anyways I really wanna play Curtain Call now
sinful gyro
It's a stand alone ye
clever cobalt
Especially since Norgrober seems like the antagonist of that AP
And you directly interact with Gods
solar tendon
I like how norgorber is just like. who the heck is that
and how he has like 5 different followings
solar storm
clever cobalt
ITS NYARLATHOTEP WITH A STEEL CHAIR
solar storm
stream summary
solar tendon
who don't even get along necessarily
echo briar
I think the battle herald should get rid of all spell casting, except for a few focus spells. Their starting focus spell can be heal or harm like, depending on the subclass, and to make it more martial it should be 1 action. In exchange, they should get legendary in all armors, and maybe a cool spell like reaction
solar tendon
wouldn't be surprised if battle herald becomes a bounded caster
this is what sword god god of the swords looks like
sinful gyro
Real swordy
echo briar
Watch them actually be the god of spears
stuck bane
God of pacifism
echo briar
“I have been cursed into this inferior form. Avenge me, and destroy all of these short reach heathens”
solar tendon
tbf I don't think he has any conniptions about being a sword specifically
turbid dagger
Idea: His major blessing is that you get to wield him for a fight 😳
Achaekek personally kills you for his major curse so surely we can get the other end of it
solar tendon
there should be a god whose major blessing is he personally kills you
has anyone used blessings/curse in any of their games?
solar storm
I have yeah
solar storm
Party handled a soul gem for a soulbound doll in an unusual way so they all got a minor boon from Pharasma for setting the cycle right
solar tendon
nice!
solar storm
(Ritually broke the gem while the party Animist used medium powers to put the soul back in their body)
solar tendon
that's quite a neat little reward she gives too
turbid dagger
Oh neat
I assume this ||was the abomvaults one||
||Which has a boon from pharasma related to its 'intended' resolution but not her actual deity boon iirc||
solar storm
Oh neat
I assume this ||was the abomvaults one||
||Which has a boon from pharasm...
It's the same boon
turbid dagger
Oh I see I see
solar storm
But you're correct
warped orbit
I do like boons a lot
solar storm
Major Boon: Gorum feeds you the zeal of his undying warriors, allowing you to draw upon your own life force to fight on and on without falling. Whenever you would be reduced to 0 Hit Points, you are instead healed to half your maximum Hit Points and become doomed 1 (or increase your doomed condition by 1).
Shame we're losing one of the coolest Major Boons with this
turbid dagger
Simply add in a landmark that is a part of his body
Which gives everyone within a mile of it this