Pathfinder

[frank crystal]

But presumably yah you could change your voice

[echo briar]

Is it a voice? I assumed it was more like a letter

It's much easier to forge someone's choice of words than voice

[solar storm]

Afaik it’s like actually talking to them

[craggy thunder]

I have apparently successfully captured the vibe of our game

by saying I have made my character operating under the assumption that the vibe was basically 'What if Twin Peaks happened in Zaun?'

[strange nest]

I’m hyped

Going as a Cleric of Ashava

Witch is so yesterday

[craggy thunder]

make sure to give yourself a bladed scarf

If for nothing else then the style points

[strange nest]

Man, there are some cool domain spells

[stuck bane]

Starting Alkenstar tonight!

[strange nest]

Noice!

[stuck bane]

We got a nagaji redeemer champion, a cat folk vanguard gunslinger, gnome half-orc barbarian, and an automaton construct inventor (me)

It’s gonna be my first time as a player in PF2e in years

[unborn rain]

I just played a session of Alkenstar!

Your party is oddly similar to ours, we've got a barb (me), automaton construct inventor and a War cleric who was thinking of playing champion. We had a gunslinger but they died.

Only 3 players though

[stuck bane]

Vibe of the campaign does seem to draw people towards more martial stuff, and definitely towards guns and gears

[solar storm]

Yeah, even though it mostly elides surgetime mechanics

Which is nice because those are incredibly rough on casters

[fast hill]

Is kickback gone in remaster?

it's not on the foundry anymore

(for guns)

[solar storm]

It… shouldn’t be gone afaik

It’s a guns and gears thing and that’s iirc not really changing in the remaster

[fast hill]

it's not on the foundry for the arquebus so I have no idea what's happened

[frank crystal]

I hope kickback isn’t gone

[solar storm]

That seems more like a data entry issue than a removal

[turbid dagger]

Yeah, there's nothing that would have kickback in the remaster yet so

Fortunately you can just add the trait back on in foundry

[craggy thunder]

We out here writing a decade’s worth of journal entries in character

[scenic patio]

we got this fellow PC (in the same game)

[craggy thunder]

We are starting off strong with the characterization

[scenic patio]

Will see gameplay wise 😝

[craggy thunder]

lol

I am definitely setting early roots for her devil may care attitude and penchant for wanderlust and going from interest to interest

[scenic patio]

https://tenor.com/view/hehehe-gif-13353583

You know me

[craggy thunder]

I think we have a very interesting party vibe

[fast hill]

player just made this meme for the gunslinger in the party

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/275579753900146688/1223758174822203413/caption.gif?ex=661b049d&is=66088f9d&hm=877b69ccfa1f4061a610e62bb3ccd931232d44e9e550564a88a5116124d1b4b0&

[warped orbit]

It do be like that

Guns do either no damage or all the damage

[turbid dagger]

I've been having fun building a sniper gunslinger that critfishes like crazy recently
Tumble Behind for ranged flat footed and then Sniper's Aim
Am I sniping? Uhhhhh
No

[fast hill]

I'm really thinking rn

how do I make bloodborne in pf2e

as in how do I make john bloodborne, the character, and have a gun and a cool weapon

[turbid dagger]

Drifter slinger seems a natural choice

[fast hill]

drifter slinger is more focused on the sword part

can a thaumaturge be a good frontline

I know nothing about the class

[turbid dagger]

Dueling pistol and lion scythe is basically a saw cleaver hunter
And yeah, they're not gonna be wicked tanky but they are good at melee

[fast hill]

wait no I need to have my implement out

shit

wait my implement can be a weapon awesome

I can make it a pistol

my HOLY WRATH

[warped orbit]

Thaum is gonna have trouble using more than one weapon

[fast hill]

yeah

realising that

thinking of using a dex-strength gunslinger

because it would be

really cool to have a pistol and an axe

[fast hill]

https://2e.aonprd.com/Equipment.aspx?ID=1368

holy shit

[solar tendon]

it's so good

[fast hill]

gunslingers have medium armor proficiency

is it worth actually using

[craggy thunder]

eeeehhh?

[barren cipher]

uhhh maybe if you’re some sort of 14 dex 16 str melee slinger

[craggy thunder]

You should have 18 Dex so... no?

[barren cipher]

which is probably not viable

[solar tendon]

I think 14 dex is doable if you pick a gun that's actually got good damage

[barren cipher]

like you could just be a fighter instead and it would be better

[fast hill]

I do really want to do a high strength drifter

str/dex drifter

[solar tendon]

as long as you can leverage the stat boosts that gives you

[fast hill]

just because having an axe would be... really cool...

[solar tendon]

like

harmona gun doesn't even have fatal

or blunderbuss for scatter

mainly thinking vanguard here tbh

probably go sentinel so not actually using the medium armour for medium armour

but because it unlocks heavy armour

[fast hill]

wondering if maybe taking gunslinger dedication and just playing a fighter would get me what I want...

explicitly just so I can get https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=3159

[frank crystal]

Honestly it’s not like, the worst idea

[solar tendon]

I mean play at a high enough level and you can just get reload strike even yeah

[frank crystal]

Sword and pistol is a good feat

[fast hill]

yeah

it's gonna be a level 10 character

[solar tendon]

oh wait

another reason to use medium armour is it gets different runes

but that also doesn't come into play until quite late

[turbid dagger]

The medium armor is deffo kind of just Vanguard Flavor
Though yes it does open the road to Heavy Armor Slinger which is kinda sexy

[fast hill]

really considering my options

fighter with the gunslinger dedication would be really cool

but a dedicated drifter would also go hard...

hhhhhhh

so many good choices

[solar tendon]

https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=3171

definitely can't take this at level 10 outside gunslinger

[thorny berry]

Switchscythe is also an extremely bloodborne-ass weapon

[solar tendon]

not sure if gunslinger archetype can even take it at all though?

cause you don't technically get your way even though you have to pick one

[fast hill]

ok that sold me but also idk the actual use-case of this

[thorny berry]

Honestly, an investigator that just occasionly draws a pistol when they get a nutty devise roll wouldn't be the worst approach

[solar tendon]

avoiding reactions partially

[fast hill]

I think you do

based on the wording it says "you gain your ways associated skill"

[turbid dagger]

Ranged attacks provoke AoO
So you use this to weave out of weapon threat during gun shoot then go in for sword stab

[solar tendon]

not raw I mean

[fast hill]

keyword there is

your

as in

you have that way

not "You gain that ways associated skill"

[solar tendon]

https://2e.aonprd.com/Archetypes.aspx?ID=213

like compare to druid

which is very explicit

and then there's archetypes that don't give you a subclass option at all like rogue

so it's not like there's a universal norm to go on

but yeah you'd also be surprised how often tiny steps get you somewhere useful

[fast hill]

true

[solar tendon]

skirmish strike and the triggerbrand reload I've seen do some great stuff

[turbid dagger]

I'm of the opinion that you can probably take your subclass' feats with slinger dedication
If only because I'd really like to take Triggerbrand Salvo on other classes

[fast hill]

im tryna weigh up the benefits of going a fighter

idk if fighter really offers much to this vibe that drifter does not

does this unload a firearm?

https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=3183

[barren cipher]

based on the fake out pfs notes, no

For the purpose of gunslinger feats and abilities, if the ability states that you fire your weapon, you fire your weapon; if it does not state as such, you do not have to fire your weapon. Notably, Fake Out does not require you to actually fire your weapon.

[solar tendon]

I mean

it says take a quick shot

[fast hill]

realised running reload isn't that useful

I still need a free hand for it

fuck

changed it up

[fast hill]

breath control is such a cool general feat

yer telling me I can hold my breath for 900 seconds?

[clever cobalt]

Hmm, what are fun classes for a Tengu to be...

Thinking Barbarian or Thaumaturge

[frank crystal]

There’s gotta be some sauce in tengu ranger

Run flurry

Get 2 of the fatal d12 advanced swords

Hope to god you crit

[clever cobalt]

Dual wielding Falcatas....

[frank crystal]

That’s the one

[clever cobalt]

How does "Radiance" sound as a name for a Nephilim Tengu

[worthy stump]

pretty baller

[craggy thunder]

Sounds good, though

What is drawing you to a word-name?

[clever cobalt]

Not sure

just feels like a vibe I guess

[craggy thunder]

fair

[fast hill]

untrained improv is crazy good

[worthy stump]

it sure is

[fast hill]

I cant believe I was up until like 5 in the morning making a character for a campaign that wont be starting for months

Hell, I still am up but I'm sleeping soon

[fast hill]

This includes a nice thick novel (hyperbolic) of backstory for my GM (including worldbuilding for the stuff they said we can fill in the blanks for and make up ourselves)

[craggy thunder]

This is maybe a stupid question

Is there anywhere in Golarion analogous to Spain or the western Mediterranean more generally?

[turbid dagger]

I feel Cheliax is kind of supposed to be that
Though obviously its Narrative Niche got taken by
Uh
Something else

But its got like
Draconian religious persecution, a really big navy that recently got crushed in a world-state-changing-event

[craggy thunder]

I more meant like

flamenco, musketeers, etc

xD

but I did find that Taldor and Cheliax sort of

provide those two sides

in their melange of stuff

[turbid dagger]

Yeah I was gonna rec Taldor next
I looked up the Iconic Swash to see where shes from and the answer is 'piratetown' but she's always wanted to go to Taldor because its a land of dueling and romance
And that one Rondelero fighting style with the buckler and
Uh
Well Falcatta but thats an anachronism no matter where its from
Which seems very dueling-styled

[craggy thunder]

Well falcata are a pre-Roman Iberian weapon

So only rly half anachronism

[turbid dagger]

Well I mean
A modern day US marine slinging around a lever action would be an anachronism regardless of whether it was American right
It's an anachronism not an ana....geoism?? I dunno you get what I mean

[craggy thunder]

Well that gets to the thing of ‘can we discern what era of history Golarion by and large draws from’ and I am firmly on the team of ‘the writers neither know nor consider’

Well

They probably consider

But the answer is likely ‘what is interesting’

[turbid dagger]

It def does vary by region yeah
Though I would say that if anything can be said about taldors time vibes it is that they are not 'pre roman iberia'

[craggy thunder]

eh, fair

I just want a team bonding exercise for my new group to be doing flamenco dancing in a dive bar lol

I'm a foreign-educated minor noble and another is an Ashavan cleric so I think it'd be fun

[turbid dagger]

Varisia may also work
A cursory search implies that matadors are a thing there at least
This is also how I learned that the pf1e book on Magnimar details an ANIMAL CRUELTY THEMED TAVERN called the Matadors Lodge?????????????

PF1e is Fucking NUTS man
Every time I look in there I find some INSANE shit

[fast hill]

I think the issue there is that comes later from where the inspiration might be taken from

A lot of early modern to even fairly recent

[fast hill]

https://2e.aonprd.com/Deities.aspx?ID=256

Urban Prosperity worshippers wishing you a happy zoning and taxes

abadar worshippers be like "I pray to see your business ventures prosper"

[fast hill]

oh no I have free archetype

what do I choose

vigilante is my current idea, they go around beating up mean evil business owners and fighting their private security lackies who think they get paid enough to get shot at

but I don't particularly vibe with the whole split personality thing

also I need to be a master in so many skills and gunslinger just aint built for it

[clever cobalt]

Running Mark of the Mantis for friends tonight

Gonna be my first time GMing PF2e

[unborn rain]

I hope you have fun, running PF is a joy

[fast hill]

When it comes to a weapon's level, is it the highest level of the highest rune?

or additive?

[surreal basin]

The former

[fast hill]

oki

yeah

[clever cobalt]

Hosting my first game in about an hour

Wish me luck

[frank crystal]

You’re gonna do great

[craggy thunder]

eyyy good luck

random question

I'm noticing my character is starting to exude like

Bond character vibes

what's a good archetype for that?

[frank crystal]

Investigator?

[craggy thunder]

Already the character's actual class XD

[frank crystal]

Ah

Shit

Alter ego?

[craggy thunder]

alter ego miiiiiight work?

[frank crystal]

Though I guess that’s more, mission impossible rubber masks

[craggy thunder]

lol

It doesn't help this character isn't charismatic when like

She's a womanizer lmao

[frank crystal]

Oh yah I guess then like, bond vibes in what way?

Is it just the womanizing bit?

[craggy thunder]

Knows how to navigate high society, always absorbing information, womanizer, agendas upon agendas upon agendas

I guess taking both bond and his villains and shoving them in a blender

I think it'll just have to come down to how I play her

She has the skills for it

or failing that skill substitutions

courtly graces, acrobatic performer, etc etc

[frank crystal]

Hmm, there’s definitely an archetype for that I’m sure

I just don’t know it

[craggy thunder]

dandy is the archetype probs

[frank crystal]

Oh yah dandy would work

[craggy thunder]

well that's the social butterfly part

'conniving fuck' probably has an archetype

but dandy requires actually having those social skills, rather than substitutions lmao

[frank crystal]

Admittedly I feel like conniving fuck is kinda covered by investigator

[craggy thunder]

lmao

[frank crystal]

That’s part of their deal

[craggy thunder]

What sucks is there's a spy archetype

The Lion Blades

But this game takes place 100 years into the future and we're theoretically becoming enemies of Taldor lmao

[solar tendon]

maybe narratively the techniques of the Shadow Schools have become less exclusive

in that time

[craggy thunder]

I think some combination of Overwatch and stuff might be good

[fast hill]

I'm tempted to take dandy for my current character actually...

thanks for bringing it up

[trail nova]

Defecting former lion blade could be cool

[craggy thunder]

Doesn't make sense in character, she's from Tian Xia and has only resided in Taldor a month at most

[surreal basin]

Could just take it and reflabor it

[craggy thunder]

This is also true

man

If I hadn't flavored her as an aldori

I would 100% give her a gun

[fast hill]

I just realised I made my gunslinger character communist batman that shoots people

[craggy thunder]

so

so communist batman

(this is not a joke)

(There is an elseworlds communist batman what shoots people)

[fast hill]

lmfao

[craggy thunder]

(Well he may not be a communist)

(I think he's ideologically communist at least in terms of more basic socialist tenets, but does hate the Soviet government)

(Look up Red Son it's great)

[fast hill]

oh from red son?

[craggy thunder]

Yes lol

[fast hill]

yeah I was under the impression he was not a communist

or rather is more motivated by vengeance than anything

[craggy thunder]

Fair

Anyway

sounds like a cool character

Mine is batman but if he moved from Japan to Gotham and was very open about simultaneously being a playboy and a badass

And a woman

[fast hill]

They're for a friends homebrew setting on a giant floating city that travels Golarion, inspired by Columbia from Bioshock Infinite (without the racism) and piltover/zaun from League

[craggy thunder]

lmao

my gm said I captured the vibe of our game by saying 'Twin Peaks but in Zaun'

[fast hill]

LMFAO

basically she is a rich, affluent high society type who has recent inherited a large business and fortune from her parents

but she also goes into the undercity to beat the shit out of abusive bosses and corrupt businessmen

[craggy thunder]

Nice

[fast hill]

I didn't meant to make just batman it sort of happened

they weren't originally going to be a vigilante but I needed some excuse for her to be a rich socialite and also be a level 10 gunslinger

[craggy thunder]

Mine more takes from the 'spent years in various foreign countries training'

mixed with Meiji Restoration era politics

[fast hill]

that's always really cool

[craggy thunder]

i.e. she's a noble's daughter sent to learn western technologies and get university educated

She instead dropped out and eloped with an Aldori swordmaster that she has in turn recently left

Yes

This does mean

That the closest character comparative of hers to Ra's al-Ghul

Is someone she slept with

But

We can ignore that

[fast hill]

lmfao

look the last place you'd go to learn about advanced technology is Avistan

[craggy thunder]

She went to Lepidstadt University in Ustalav

Oh

Your character

sorry lmao

Also my gm just told me guns are common in our game

[fast hill]

oh no i did mean your character

unfortunately

I don't know much about ustalav

[craggy thunder]

Uuuuuuuhhh

[fast hill]

oh wow yeah

[craggy thunder]

kiiiind of slavic/germanic?

[fast hill]

Lepidstadt is goin wild

[craggy thunder]

Think innistrad

[fast hill]

I am convinced otherwise

[solar storm]

It’s kind of Frankenstein mad science themed

[fast hill]

avistan is exactly where you want to go for advanced technology

[solar storm]

So that kind of Eastern European kind of aesthetic

[warped orbit]

Ustalav is vampires, Frankenstein, and some other spooky stuff all mixed together

[fast hill]

Holy shit Dandy can make me expert in deception and society????

Thats amazing

I was sat here worrying I wasn't going to be able to be good in the really important face skills on account of being a gunslinger but now Dandy makes it way easier

[craggy thunder]

I should probably play into that for my archetype choices since we're doing a ghost hunter campaign

[warped orbit]

I wonder if we'll see a bigger focus on the stasian bullshit over there at some point

[craggy thunder]

well I guess I already am

since my second dedication is gonna be shadowdancer lmao

[fast hill]

I see distracting flattery from dandy and I have to wonder why it's a deception check

I feel like it works as good if not better thematically with a diplomacy check

[craggy thunder]

cuz then someone could feat chain that shit with courtly graces

Like me

and make diplomacy checks with society

[fast hill]

Oh, I guess in that vein: are there any archetypes that have an emphasis on diplomacy?

[craggy thunder]

dandy

xD

uuuuhhh

[fast hill]

it's most deception

infact the only diplomacy check it's feats require of you is the dedication to spread rumours

yeahhhhh I cant find any

[fast hill]

tempted to take Party Crasher from dandy so I can use that skill feat myself

originally I had the skill feat for it but I could take it with dandy and use it on... something else

not sure what except another additional lore

[clever cobalt]

GMing accomplished

It went well

[fast hill]

pf2e is one of those games that feels easy to GM

[frank crystal]

Nice

[craggy thunder]

So

I have realized that all of our party only shares Common as a language we all know

and my character is kind of bad at it, at least compared to her other languages

So she probably doesn't like that lmao

[stuck bane]

Last night my party realized that we aren’t especially suited to thievery for a party of outlaws (of alkenstar)

I think I’m the only with it trained and my dex is only a +1

[turbid dagger]

We did Dinner At Lionlodge without using the premades and my champ had to tank a crit fail from a trap in a door because none of us were even trained in thievery

Which, to be fair, was a wicked funny moment but

[craggy thunder]

eh, none of us have health over 8+Con per level

[rapid wagon]

Got to do the first combats in vloodlords with my kineticist, I like how he feels mechanically

I do feel like a "ima do this one thing" but it's super flexible

[frank crystal]

Great Jitte
Disarm, Grapple, Parry
Price 5 SP; Damage 1d8; Bulk 1
Hands 2
Type: Melee; Category Martial; Group Club

A long solid club with a smaller parrel bar useful for catching weapons and holding arms

Does this look like to much?

[turbid dagger]

Its a MOTHERFUCKER of a twohander thats for sure
I would earnestly make it Advanced

[frank crystal]

Very fair yah

[turbid dagger]

Well, hm
I guess with d8 it may be fine as martial

[frank crystal]

I could make it advanced and add more traits I wanted to

[craggy thunder]

reach

[turbid dagger]

Because like
The key downsides of a twohander is that
You cannot use maneuvers
And you cannot use AC stuff
This solves both of those handily, but its also taken two die size hits for it
So the comparison to make is like
This vs a Warhammer plus free hand

[frank crystal]

YESSSS

[turbid dagger]

This as a d10 would be a FEISTY advanced wep
Like in a good way

[frank crystal]

Hmm

Maybe I should do that actually yah

Because like, you gotta compare it to just running a one handed weapon and a free hand

[craggy thunder]

magma you wanna see the dex katana I made xD

[frank crystal]

Sure!

[craggy thunder]

Uncommon, Deadly D8, Finesse, Two-Hand D8, Versatile P

Price 1 gp; Damage 1d6 S; Bulk 1
Hands 1
Type Melee; Category Advanced; Group Sword

[frank crystal]

Also this is for a homebrew anyway, so like, I could make this advanced, but then make that general feat that treats an advanced weapon like it’s martial anyway…

[frank crystal]

Oh only one handed?

Also why Ko-Katana?

[craggy thunder]

because base katana exists

and ko-katana means at least in a modern sense a shorter, lighter katana

[frank crystal]

Ah neat

Disarm, Grapple, Parry
Price 5 SP; Damage 1d10; Bulk 1 
Hands 2
Type: Melee; Category Advanced; Group Club 

A long solid club with a smaller parrel bar useful for catching weapons and holding arms```

Also yah I like the idea of making this advanced and a d10

[fast hill]

I need me a pollax

[frank crystal]

What’s that?

[turbid dagger]

Okay so imagine a spear
Then put an axe below the point
And a hammer on the reverse side of the axeblade
So uh
Basically a halberd with a whack bit

[frank crystal]

Oh that

I’ve just never seen it spelled like that

I’ve only seen it spelled pole axe with two words

[fast hill]

pollax is the old timey word for it

I use it because when you say Pole Axe you usually get people say "there's halberds in the game"

[frank crystal]

Fair enough

You think the halberd+versatile bludgeoning would be enough?

[fast hill]

Maybe

I think I would actually get rid of reach

[frank crystal]

They are relatively short weapons

[fast hill]

Poleaxes werent all that long

[frank crystal]

At least compared to other polearms

Drop reach maybe add like, trip?

[fast hill]

Yeah trip is good

[rustic cape]

It's hard to get quite to the heart and soul of a pollax in a game like PF2e because a pollax is fundamentally a can opener

It exists to tear into an armored opponent in every way imaginable

[frank crystal]

I do feel like “do any type of physical damage you want” is a sorta good niche with the right extra tags

There’s so few weapons with versatile bludgeoning to begin with

Giving an axe it seems fine

[rustic cape]

Oh sure

It's just hard to capture the feel

[solar tendon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/1bsf9cu/taffeta_the_poppet_thaumaturge/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

🥺

[rustic cape]

Oh this is great poppet art

[eager mountain]

" do you like helping other people ?"

[frank crystal]

Jitte
Agile, Grapple, Nonlethal, Parry
Price 1 SP; Damage 1d4; Bulk L 
Hands 1
Type: Melee; Category Martial; Group Club 

A short thin Baton with a smaller club parallel to the main weapon, useful for catching blades in tight spaces.```

Also the normal Jitte counterpart to go with the bigger thing

Basically a night stick that trades finesse for grapple

[turbid dagger]

This is nice! Very cool weapon for like, double slice fighter

[frank crystal]

Yah

Grapple is a super underused tag tbh

[fast hill]

Yeah definitely. There's no real such thing as anti-armour in pf2e

[unborn rain]

There is, it's saves

[frank crystal]

Honestly the thing probably best flavored as an anti armor attack is the sword crit

Just making them off guard for a turn

[solar tendon]

shocking grasp

idk especially with bulwark I feel like targetting reflex isn't that big an anti armour play

[unborn rain]

Depends on if you're looking for anti-player armour or anti-NPC armour. As most heavily armoured NPCs will have reflex as a weakness

Whilst PCs can be more rounded

[solar tendon]

true

[echo briar]

I hope we get a god's rain prophecy today on Aroden

"yep, still dead"

[clever cobalt]

It's Wednesday

Not today

Sadly

[echo briar]

and today is April fools

[clever cobalt]

Oh wait I get the joke now :v

Yeah I'm dumb

"What if Aroden lived?"

On that topic

https://twitter.com/donatoclassic/status/1774813979342479651?t=fO5Z60rhQ9ZJbIKd9P5olQ&s=19

Luis Loza @ Norwescon (@donatoclassic) on X

This week's Godsrain Prophecy is about one of the gods who is a member of the Godclaw pantheon. #pathfinder2e #warofimmortals

Twitter · Apr 1, 2024, 3:00 PM

Iomadae, Torag, Irori, and Abadar (and Asmedoeus but we know he's safe)

[warped orbit]

gonna say Iomedae or Abadar this week

[clever cobalt]

Same

[echo briar]

Abadar has such an interesting death that would suck to play it. It has to be him

[clever cobalt]

Karl Marx personally kills Abadar

[echo briar]

Of all the remaining gods, his death would make the play experience substantially worse

[warped orbit]

Commerce and Law definitely has a lot of potential for how it would fuck things up

[clever cobalt]

I think it's gonna be Iomedae or Abadar yeah

[echo briar]

I believe Lenin is still alive.

[turbid dagger]

I feel like Irori is in that category of 'not likely to actually die in WoI but he may have a cool death prophecy' so I hope its him

[clever cobalt]

Yeah thats also possible

Also for some reason Modern Golarion is in my head again

Skyfinder I guess?

[rustic cape]

Rovagug still in the runnnnnning baaaabbbbbyyyyy

[sinful gyro]

What's the current bingo sheet?

[clever cobalt]

Lemme grab it

[sinful gyro]

Thanks

[sinful gyro]

100% sarenrae

[clever cobalt]

Sarenrae is not part of the Godsclaw

Unless you mean something else

[echo briar]

she enters it 2 seconds before dying

[sinful gyro]

I mean she's gonna die

[clever cobalt]

Ah

Yeah Saranrae or Rovugug is my guess

I think we learn next week who dies for real right?

[scenic patio]

Yeah I always felt Saranrae or Shylin were the ones to die

[clever cobalt]

Wait no, the 16th we learn

[sinful gyro]

2 weeksish then

[clever cobalt]

Also second book on Curtain Call has the stuff out

https://paizo.com/products/btq02f0f?Pathfinder-Adventure-Path-205-Singer-Stalker-Skinsaw-Man

[scenic patio]

“Skinsaw man” so Novrborger is still alive

[clever cobalt]

This is released before WoI

[scenic patio]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[solar tendon]

he could show up in the adventure and just go help I'mma die soon

[clever cobalt]

I mean the Prophecy from Stolen Fate says uhhh

laughing in delight at beloved mortal entertainers, 
while others consume them and choke them with 
cruelty. ```

[light gyro]

my strength of thousands players are new to pathfinder so when a norgorber cult got mentioned they were like 'what's his deal', then i mentioned his 'father skinsaw' epithet and they responded 'oh i get it'

[clever cobalt]

Which given its a 11-20 adventure about creating and playing an Opera

Seems to probably be relevant

Oh hey new Starfinder book

[sinful gyro]

hmmmmmm

[light gyro]

I heard if you buy it and flip to page 73 it says which god is gonna die in woi

[turbid dagger]

A notebook 😌

[upbeat ridge]

https://paizo.com/products/btq02f0s?Starfinder-THE-GAP
wow
this is technically the first sf2e book

[echo briar]

Is it part of the ORC?

[heavy fulcrum]

literally every word in the entire book is public domain!

[turbid dagger]

I was thinking of making this joke but I think having 'Starfinder: The Gap' on the cover would in fact encourage some kind of licensing structure to be applied to it?

[echo briar]

They released the PDF for free. As far as I can tell, there is no licensing at all.

Like, nothing at all.

[solar storm]

that makes sense to me

[echo briar]

IANAL, but this may not have any copyright or trademarks

You may just be able to print and sell this yourself.

[turbid dagger]

Damn..........
Starfinder is in the public domain.............
I can sell as much Gap-related content as I want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[echo briar]

Just be careful the clothing store The Gap doesn't sue

[eager mountain]

https://fixupx.com/oncallgm/status/1774841491883708691?s=46&t=lgX2p3B6Oby7-UG2Iwed8g

[sinful gyro]

Has anyone downloaded the pdf?

Is it blank after all?

Or have they thrown in some jokey details

[rustic cape]

It seems to be blank

[eager mountain]

No

That's right, this book is BLANK. We repeat: THERE IS NOTHING WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK... yet! We may not be willing to divulge the secrets of The Gap, but we are willing to go a long way for an April Fool's joke. This is a real hardcover book containing 160 pages of blank matte paper, perfect for concocting your own theories about what may have transpired during the missing years between Golarion and Absalom Station.

Written by: Nobody! Seriously, it's blank.

[light gyro]

i cant believe a paizo employee legally changed their name to Nobody just so they could hide the Secrets

[rustic cape]

Honestly I think this is the correct way to do an April Fools joke

Just do something silly and be totally transparent about it

[fast hill]

HOT TAKE

Common needs to go

[light gyro]

Isn't common in 2e just a placeholder for wherever your game primarily takes place? Like in the strength of thousands ap it's actually mwangi

(assuming you mean the language and not the rarity tier)

[warped orbit]

That's correct
In the Inner Sea it's Taldan IIRC

[fast hill]

yeah

but there is just no actual use for it

like, I think it complicates more than it simplifies at that point

in dnd, common is just "the language everyone speaks"

but then in pathfinder, common is a broad simplification term for a wide variety of languages, and two people who speak "common" on their character sheet might not share a language

[worthy stump]

If that ends up being the case, that’s a campaign setup problem. What language is treated as common should be pre-established by the time you’re making characters

[fast hill]

sure

BUT

its still a little more complicated

what about regions that probably dont speak taldane?

what about campaigns that might go all throughout golarion?

[surreal basin]

Ehhh

If you take AWAY common within the system, the game kinda becomes too setting specific imo

I already struggle to explain stuff like Taldane showing up in the foundry languages list instead of common to my friends who are new to the system lol

I can’t imagine having to be like “okay so take Tien if you want to be able to speak…. Uh….. Chinese?”

It’s weird

[fast hill]

I dont think it's setting specific

I think it's more grounded in the setting

but yeah i mean it has that issue

[solar tendon]

I mean

you have to already know all this and actively choose to replace your free common with a different 'common' for it to be a problem

[fast hill]

I guess

[solar tendon]

like in mwangi campaigns like SoT common is mwangi and not taldane

so even if you make a character who's come from further away you have to actively choose to make it a thing that mwangi is an additional language for you instead of your default etc

and then for rip-roaring campaigns like uhh that one one

age of ashes

you have like a starting point and then not necessarily sharing a language in other places is part of the point

I think my point is here that common is a concept that is failsafe. if you don't know or care to know about different languages everyone has common so it's not something you need to worry about

and then people who do know about it are self-selected to implement the necessary implications

[rapid wagon]

it can be kinds fun to have a language barrier in the party

i also enjoy when GM's actually have NPCs or places that speak other languages

makes some translation spells worthwhile

[unborn rain]

The PCs having to deal with language barriers can be interesting, language barriers within the party seem just "I lose one spell a day to cast this translation thing"

[solar tendon]

eh

mechanically languages are binary so yes

but you can definitely play it otherwise

and different blocs in the party being able to have private conversations can be juicy

[rapid wagon]

yeah i second that, but also i think using skill checks to assess intent and meaning and using that as an rp hook can be fun rp and narrative play moments

also teaching each other languages is a cool dynamic

[silver geyser]

Different people having different languages in common is pretty great

[fast hill]

I actually made it a point in one of my characters to speak a language that each party member also has that the others dont

just for the sake of at some point talking to them in that language and helping them bond

I am always looking for ways to make other PCs like my PC... maybe this says something about me or maybe I am just looking to make a good story

[craggy thunder]

The only language we all share in my party is Taldane

And I'm making it a point that for my character, Taldane is her most recently learned and she's the worst at it

And is always muttering to herself in the other five languages she knows lol

[solar storm]

Fwiw PFS rules smooth over this by just giving everyone an extra regional language when the season involves places far from taldor

Which seems like an easy fix if it comes up in a campaign

[turbid dagger]

Regional Common is kind of funny because in our SOT game my Summoner is a runaway from Cheliax so he knows Mwangi by default as an SOT PC, and is obliged to know Taldane, a fairly useless language in that game, by his lore
So our Face only knows common
But
I don't think thats like, a problem
Its a Funny Thing

[echo briar]

So the Paizo website seems to have new "we are currently down" art

I hope that means the rest of the website gets its promised overhaul soon

[echo briar]

https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sijq?Zoetrope-Logs-Part-Three-Potential-for-Change#discuss Seems like they are really experimenting with ancestries.

Makes me more hopeful for SF2 after the vote only showed the two saftest options

[wary yoke]

Is that the current one? Because I've definitely seen that one before

[limber comet]

Surkis look so cool

[echo briar]

I've only seen the starfinder one before

[limber comet]

I love the fact that their appearance evolves with feats

[warped orbit]

Awakened seems very nice for flexibility

get to choose your size and then presumably a lot of different heritages to further diversify

Climb speed of 20 is also pretty good as a heritage, even if your land speed is also reduced

[echo briar]

I just wish they showed how they are balancing large ancestries

[unborn rain]

Climb speed is insane

[echo briar]

Like, I assume they are, but even without extra reach they would be better than medium for martials.

[warped orbit]

Large with basic reach is my assumption

I don't think the benefit is really that much personally

[echo briar]

A medium creature with no reach controls 9 squares, while a large creature with no reach controls 16, almost double

[warped orbit]

and it does also make it harder to move around to a non trivial degree IMO

[solar storm]

yeah

playing a size large ancestry would be miserable for a lot of AV for example

[solar tendon]

aiui it means anywhere you don't fit all your squares is difficult terrain which is pretty big

but I can't find the rules to reference

[warped orbit]

that is correct AFAIK, but I also don't have a citation rn

[solar tendon]

squeeze kinda references the idea

but

argh

[warped orbit]

it also means you can't do stuff like diagonally weaving through enemies and such
and you generally get blocked by enemies more

[solar tendon]

kinda interested in the fact that size and health are linked for awakened animals

curious what the details of that will be

like ik it's kinda already a design standard but

also just realised I'll probably be able to make the griffon character I played once in pf2e now, without custom options

[warped orbit]

gonna assume ancestry HP and size will go up together

so tiny will probably have 6, and large either 10 or 12

[solar tendon]

mm

I think in practice people will just play an animal they like

[unborn rain]

Guy who exlusively plays Awakened animals of animals they hate

[solar tendon]

awakened animal that hates the animal they are

or just in general awakening angst

like that one guy in the matrix

[unborn rain]

Animal that existed entirely happily in a endless game of persuing and being persuid but then they get awakened and suddenly Murder is a crime

[solar tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/ignorance-is-bliss-cypher-joe-pantoliano-the-matrix-oh-well-gif-22197092

https://tenor.com/view/steak-matrix-gif-5548641

[unborn rain]

like before if you disagreed with someone you could just bite them but now if you disagree with someone you have to talk to them

[frank crystal]

I mean you can still bite them

That’s an option

[unborn rain]

If you bite people they send you to prison

[solar tendon]

idk there's a lot more biting people in golarion than irl

[frank crystal]

Just break out

You’re an adventurer

Guards are like, what level 2?

Literally just kill them

[echo briar]

If an animal bites people they tend to get put down

[frank crystal]

It’s not that hard

[unborn rain]

I feel like especially if you're a species with dangerous teeth, like if a human bit you it'd have very different legal consiquences than a like gnoll or awakened animal

[echo briar]

And biting animals is not a crime

[solar tendon]

depends who the animal is

[unborn rain]

That's animal abuse

Like you went out and bit a wild dog, someone could still get you arrested for that

[solar tendon]

dog bites man and no one bats an eyelid. man bites dog and it's on the front page. curious

awakened dog posting

[unborn rain]

Dog man bites mans dog, trial impending

[echo briar]

I mean, if the dog is threatening you, thats self defense, and if its hunting thats no worse than a bow

[solar tendon]

yeah if but if you hunt in a random place you might be poaching

[unborn rain]

Hunting is only legal if you own the land

[solar tendon]

and they'll go

that's the king's swan you just bit

[barren cipher]

also if you can convince a jury that killing something with your actual teeth is the same as shooting it with a bow, you deserve your law license

[solar tendon]

course if you're a dragon people are often nervous to press charges

[echo briar]

also, you can just pretend to not be awakened.

[unborn rain]

me W

[solar tendon]

"not me officer, I'm just a regular dog"

plus if someone's nose gets bitten off they're just like

you live in the kennels now

[echo briar]

yea, but thats the same as before you were awakened.

being awakened can only help you escape the kennels

[solar tendon]

no I mean a human man

whose nose gets bitten off

[barren cipher]

was he bitten by a radioactive human?

[echo briar]

yes, and if you were still a non awakened animal who bit someone's noes off, you would still go to the kennels

biting someone's noes off is not only a problem once you become sapient

[solar tendon]

I don't think they really say much about whatever thing bits the man's nose off

although when the man later bites a child's nose of himself they both end up living in the kennels

but disney for some reason didn't think that would make good cinema so the internet doesn't appear to much care

[limber comet]

I joined a Pokémon fan game server and the mods immediately abducted me for a pf2e game

[solar tendon]

oh shit

[limber comet]

The first day I talked and they went "THIS MF KNOWS ABOUT PF2E" and abducted me

I'm going straight to Numeria guys, gals, and nonbinary pals

[warped orbit]

lmaoo

[turbid dagger]

Yeah I'm curious about that too
Because Tiny 6 HP just seems
Worrrrssseeee?
Than Large 10?
Unless your GM is putting a lot of Dishonored-style mouse hole passageways for your tiny dude to be The Tiny Dude or something

That said
As someone who already did not care about being a Jerboa bard or something I'm glad I can play a big dude with lots of health
Love me big dudes with lots of health

[limber comet]

You don't wanna play as a small mouse rogue? Lame

[turbid dagger]

I want to play a smilodon or wolverine or something yes

[frank crystal]

Wait is ancestry health no longer gonna be case by case?

[turbid dagger]

I just realized given Golarion as a setting you could quite easily play a dinosaur

[turbid dagger]

For Awakened Animals, they can be any size from Tiny to Large, and their HP is tied to their size

[frank crystal]

Ohhh

[turbid dagger]

As like, a sub-heritage
As they can be Any Animal

[frank crystal]

Yah Ngl tiny 6 seems way worse then large 10

[warped orbit]

well I am assuming it correlates directly

which it might not

because logically it makes more sense to me for large to have more HP

[limber comet]

You could be like those videos I see of the spinosaurus with a sword

[solar storm]

it also might be like "small or tiny is N, medium or large is N+2"

[limber comet]

Mhm, that makes sense

[warped orbit]

also possible

my off the cuff guess would probably still be
tiny 6, small and medium 8, large 10

[solar tendon]

or large is a step lower than medium and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QEZO5G_8mk

[solar storm]

Yeah that was mine too but it feels like a really large variance within an ancestry

[solar tendon]

just seems a bit odd without further context

[warped orbit]

what other tiny ancestries do we even have so far?`
just poppet and sprite?

[solar tendon]

yeah

and poppet is 6hp whether it's tiny or not

[warped orbit]

they are also both at 6

though I do agree that being tiny seems like a mostly bad deal

since you get probably less HP and the reach thing

[solar tendon]

or like ant gnoll

doesn't reduce a gnoll's hp

or wisp fetchling

fleshwarps get to be 10 hp even when small even

idk

basic ancestry statistics balance is a bit of a weird one in general

[warped orbit]

it's because AIUI they mostly go by flavor, with balance as a secondary consideration

[limber comet]

As god intended

[solar tendon]

which is fair

[warped orbit]

it's also why ancestry stat boosts are a bit tilted towards certain stats

[solar tendon]

and it's not like a 2 point swing is huge in any case

it just feels like unnecessary detail at a certain point

[limber comet]

If your gm is lenient you can probably ask to fiddle with the details

[surreal basin]

I will say

Something people don’t consider a lot with size

Is that being large is kinda a massive issue for AOES

It’s way easier to catch you in one, and way harder for your party to avoid hitting you

Which I think balances the number of squares threatened issue which, imo, is only an issue in theory

In practice large creatures without reach aren’t that much better than medium creatures lol

[limber comet]

This is true

[surreal basin]

Also RAW it makes flanking way worse

[fast hill]

what large ancestries are there?

[surreal basin]

Because you have to draw a line from the center of your token, through the center of the enemies, to the center of your ally, to be flanking

Which is nearly impossible as a large creature vs a medium

[surreal basin]

There will be Minotaur, centaur, and Awakened Animal

In howl

[fast hill]

or is this the first time theres

a large one

yeah

[surreal basin]

Yeah this is the first

[turbid dagger]

I seem to recall Tian Xia having another

In the ancestry preview stream they did

[limber comet]

Uhhh

Hm

I don't remember

[fast hill]

how do you play as a dog

how does it work

are you like anthro

or just a dog

[warped orbit]

I think you can be either

[turbid dagger]

The Awakened Animal shown is an anthro badger

I would not be surprised at all if there was a heritage like desert rat or hunter automaton that was like 'your still better at four legs than 2, 30 foot speed if your hands are free'

So you can be a wolf stance wolf monk that just bites people to death

[strange nest]

Really excited for the new books!

hmm

Would a free archetype Fighter with Archer Dedication, sword and shield, and Lightning Swap be anything? 🤔

There’s just something I find appealing about the idea of a “Hybrid” style fighter

[craggy thunder]

oh boy do I have something to show my fellow switch-hitter enthusiast

https://2e.aonprd.com/Weapons.aspx?ID=339

[novel merlin]

Archery and sword/board are both kinda feat heavy so maybe bow/2h melee might work better

[strange nest]

Yeah, I specified free archetype for that reason lol

[barren cipher]

thrown is a bit easier to handle for various reasons

dual weapon warrior is not bad at all actually

[limber comet]

I wish pf2e had more unique Outer Gods

The ones that are unique the Pathfinder are so cool

[limber comet]

TEN!

[limber comet]

I know I saw

Very exciting

[eager mountain]

ye

[silver geyser]

Started running a Kingmaker game for some freinds, and session 1 saw them having a bandit surrender, and doing the PC thing of adopting a scrimblo.

His name is Jirc

Pronounced "jerk"

[limber comet]

Now kill the scrimblo

You know what you must do

[fast hill]

Realising that I should not be a drifter gunslinger with 0 constitution

[sinful gyro]

Planning some builds myself. If I go fighter into eldritch archer, I don't need to actually get any charisma if I pick primal right?

It'll help some of my spells deal more damage

But I can also pick gouging claw and deal plenty

[unborn rain]

if you don't pick up literally any charisma, your gouging claw would have -4 to hit compared to your main attack

[sinful gyro]

How so?

[turbid dagger]

I imagine they plan on delivering it solely through Eldritch shot

[sinful gyro]

I'd use my bows attack to hit surely

Ye

[unborn rain]

You roll one dice, I assume if you have different modifiers you'll get 2 different resaults?

[turbid dagger]

No
You make a strike, if it hits also do the spell with no roll

[sinful gyro]

I'm just wondering if it's worth doing with 0 in charisma

Or if I should sap some from wisdom (cos I'm also acting as group medic)

Tbf we should be getting a druid back at some point? Maybe they could provide some heals

[turbid dagger]

My basic thought is
You will not be casting offensive spells save to spellshot
So dumping cha is likely fine

[rustic cape]

Esp since cantrips no longer add spellcasting mod to damage

[sinful gyro]

Oh huh

True

[rustic cape]

Yeah it's a straight buff to no-Int magi and the like

[sinful gyro]

Claw also got buffed

A lot

2d6 and flat 2 bleed

[fast hill]

the stat spread for my level 10 drifter gunslinger

low con gang

[unborn rain]

Con is a myth made up by big health to make you buy more HP when really you only need one Health Point the last Health Point

[surreal basin]

Alright I

Want to try to figure out a small subsystem to use

When my players are trying to make contact with a squad of secret agents in like

A fucked up ruined city

Should I just do a victory point system do you think?

I guess I could also do Infiltration actually

[fast hill]

okay but I would like more than the last hit point

[surreal basin]

And roll it in as an objective of their wider deal, which is to get into a building and steal a book

[echo briar]

new godrain prophecy https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sn69?The-Godsrain-Prophecies-Part-Nine#discuss

||Irori is more powerful than I thought||

Also there seems to be a hint that the actual dead god will involve the void and the fundamentals of the universe

The only god of something fundamental left is Gozreh

and they seem more fitting than most to die by some void

But everyone else is the god of something human, or the god of monsters. Maybe Rovagug is considered fundamental, but I'm not sure

[unborn rain]

||Nethys blackhole enlightenment||

[surreal basin]

I really don’t think each of these is necessarily supposed to be like

A hint

[light gyro]

if someone polymorphs themselves with a magic item, can that be counteracted with dispel magic?

[surreal basin]

Yes

[echo briar]

If they aren't a hint, they are a red herring. Otherwise, what are they?

[surreal basin]

Still a magic effect

All magic effects can be dispelled

[echo briar]

The author did not put random sentences in there for no reason.

[surreal basin]

I don’t appreciate the tone
Idk, there might be SOMETHING in the void, I just mean like

They might not all be hinting at the same thing

IE they might not all be about which god will die, just might be about which parts of these prophecies are real

[unborn rain]

I think there could be something bad in the void

[echo briar]

Thats how the void tends to be

[surreal basin]

I could see the war being not between core deities but with the dark tapestry gods

And they use this opportunity to change them from the real ass lovecraft gods maybe since they’ve been shying away from using existing properties

[craggy thunder]

I like Irori more now

Some godhead shit going on

[unborn rain]

I hope not, that'd be really lame

just, "everyone is still friends and everything"

[surreal basin]

They…. Aren’t friends now lmao

Like I’m sorry even in WOI Shelyn and Iomadae aren’t gonna fight

[echo briar]

The thing is, while thats absolutely possible, theres so many things it could be that theorizing about any of that is kinda just guess work

We know a god is going to die. We know almost nothing else

[craggy thunder]

I have lost money on the Irori bet, but the Calistria one is still open

[surreal basin]

That’s fair, I just don’t think ALL of the things from uhhh

The afterwords of these are plausibly gonna be related

Like I don’t think Arazni is gonna kill Gozreh with the power of the void while a beast is there

[unborn rain]

one of those at least will probably happen

[echo briar]

But also, what could the fundamentals of the universe mean other than a god?

[clever cobalt]

The Dark Tapestry

Anyways this makes Irori seems kinda like a jerk

Maybe that's just me though

[surreal basin]

I mean he fixed what he did at first at least

[clever cobalt]

It's less that and more the... selfish disregard of pretty much everything else I guess?

Like he fucked up and fixed it but he doesn't seem like a best person

Also apperantly thinks Death is a skill issue

[surreal basin]

I mean

That’s pretty much befitting a guy who thinks he’s the best and his only real concern is BEING the best

[clever cobalt]

Damn now i wanna see Irori meet Aesma

Regardless

So, the common traits we seem to see are:
Inversion of domains in one way or another
The void and beings from it

Anything else?

[light gyro]

hehe the wizard just got stupified by spell turning

[unborn rain]

If you became a god by just wanting it hard enough you have to be a bit of an ass

normal people don't want to become a god so hard they trancend

[turbid dagger]

Flavor text for the 'this god isn't going to die' bingo card post
The little short stories for the howl of the wild ancestry previews aren't really 'important' as such either

[surreal basin]

Funny idea

Rovagug will be revealed to like

Have been dead for years

And his followers were getting powers from his spawn

Just a moth eaten corpse lmao

[unborn rain]

Did they trap Rovagug because they couldnt kill him or because of Serenraes whloe "We gotta give him a chance at forgiveness" thing

[echo briar]

Ok, but the authors know they sound like hints. So either they are hints, or flavor text that they want us to think are hints (aka a red herring)

[surreal basin]

Couldn’t kill him

[echo briar]

If they didn't want us to think these were hints, there are much better ways of writing them

[surreal basin]

Iirc like the tarrasque whom he spawned

I think he’s ultra-unkillable

[clever cobalt]

among others yeah

[surreal basin]

Also completely non-sapient I think

Like literally a divine beast

[unborn rain]

Yep, Terrasque has -3 int and cannot speak or comprehend language

[turbid dagger]

Well it can understand Aklo according to its statblock

[limber comet]

i am praying on rovagug's downfall

he is my biggest op

[craggy thunder]

Big R dying is I think the least interesting option

He’s not really a character

[limber comet]

Yeah but him dying essentially ends a divine cold war

[surreal basin]

He’d spark a bunch of conflict and massively change the dynamic of the universe tho

[limber comet]

which could evolve into a full out war

Yeah

[surreal basin]

HE PERSONALLY wouldn’t be interesting

But the effects his death would have would be

[limber comet]

And it would start a war, which is the whole thing

[surreal basin]

I’m still betting on Iomadae

Partially out of cope but also legitimately

[limber comet]

I don't think it's gonna be Iomedae I'm sorry

[trail nova]

Who’s unsafe and missing in Starfinder? Rovavug uhhh… sort of is?

[surreal basin]

They’ve said that doesn’t matter

Which after Zon-Kuthon got marked safe I’m more likely to believe lol

[craggy thunder]

Iomedae biting it would be deeply funny tho

[limber comet]

Starfinder has no bearing on Pathfinder

It's an AU, essentially

[surreal basin]

Oh probably not but like

A bitch can hope

And it’d certainly be interesting

All the people who think it’s gonna be some crazy subversive thing should be happy with it, given that killing off the Paladin God would be p wild

[turbid dagger]

I dunno, I feel like it'd be a little lame if like
Not in reference to the current 'is iomedae going to die talk' but
If a god like Iomedae dies in WOI and then just
Is still doing stuff in Starfinder
It'd just feel wack as hell imo

[surreal basin]

I’m sure the starfinder 2e lore will reflect WOI

but the starfinder 1e lore probably won’t

[turbid dagger]

True, very true

[surreal basin]

I think is more the situation

Like if Iomadae dies then 2e will retcon that she was dead all along in this starfinder timeline

[unborn rain]

Rovagug's role can be easily filled by Rovagug spawn or Quipploth, which makes him pretty easy to kill

[worthy stump]

Paizo have said that Starfinder lore and Pathfinder lore are separate, so whatever happens in WoI will have no bearing on SF2e

[surreal basin]

I still think they’re unlikely to keep the god who dies here IN starfinder just cause

That’d be confusing

[turbid dagger]

Yeah I genuinely just
Do Not Believe Them
Cuz that would just suck?
Like the whole deal is
'here's what the future of pathfinder looks like'

[sinful gyro]

Did I hear we find out next week whose dying?

[worthy stump]

i can understand if they won't, tho, because having events and storylines in PF that shake up the pre-established lore that SF was founded upon and having to retcon and adjust things there sounds like a headache

[sinful gyro]

It's not too hard for them to put it in sf2e but I could see it going either way

[worthy stump]

and iirc we will find out who's on the bingo next week, yeah

[sinful gyro]

https://arazni.github.io/pathfinder-bingo/

Get your bingo sheets out now

You can use this link to make the sheet, select the god you think is gonna die

Your guess will have an X over it

[turbid dagger]

My safe vote is Rovagug, and my spicy vote is, I realize it would make people V V Sad, Shelyn

[sinful gyro]

I wanna see if any of us guess right

[surreal basin]

I can’t get it to work right on mobile but I’m locking in Iomadae

[worthy stump]

i'm still guessing Abadar, but i think Rovagug seems very likely too

[sinful gyro]

Rance: Sarenrae
Namoleon: Rovagug (Shelyn)
Emily: Iomadae
Gabriel: Abadar
Alaizia: Iomedae/Torag
Starduster: Sarenrare
Alaen: Iomedae (side bet, by Arazni)
Gkathellar: Rovagug
Halo: Sarenrae

[solar storm]

I think they're liars and its Zon Kuthon anyway

[sinful gyro]

SIKE, all the ones we said lived, DIED

[barren cipher]

on the bright side, we fixed prophecy!

[eager mountain]

I’m still guessing iomedae or Torag

Tho it would be funny is gorum

[clever cobalt]

Here's mine

I got Bingo :v

[warped orbit]

I'm becoming more partial to the theory of it being Iomedae
Potentially done by Arazni

[rustic cape]

Put me in for Rovagug

[clever cobalt]

Rovugug is definitely my second choice

[ember bay]

And the replacement will still be someone related to Aroden.

[clever cobalt]

I found what Irori saw

[craggy thunder]

lol

[fast hill]

how many third party pathfinder settings are there?

if any

[clever cobalt]

Only one that immediately comes to mind is Battlezoo's Indigo Isles

But that's also sorta setting agnostic and can be fit into Golarion

[fast hill]

I see

untapped market potential 🤔

[clever cobalt]

Yeah

[fast hill]

I think necessarily a setting book comes with a lot more than just a setting

[clever cobalt]

Also while obviously it isn't entirely true, a lot of PF2e stuff is made for Golarion specifically

[fast hill]

while a 5e book can come with like, a couple new things

a pf2e setting needs new gods

which are more than just backstory and fluff

[clever cobalt]

yeah, because you bascially need to redo a lot of stuff compred to like, 5e

[fast hill]

new ancestries too

[clever cobalt]

cause again, a lot of PF2e is interwoven with Golarion

I'd personally love to see like, a Eberon equivlant for Pf2e

[fast hill]

I've honestly been thinking about putting a fantasy setting I've had on my mind and putting it to pf2e so making a cool setting guide might not be a bad idea

[clever cobalt]

I'm sure you can transport PF2e stuff to Eberon but you know what I mean

[fast hill]

I originally wanted to make a ttrpg out of it

[clever cobalt]

what do you have in mind?

[fast hill]

It was essentially a fantasy setting wrestling with it being on a planet that used to be home to a technologically advanced species that abruptly left, leaving behind hyper advanced ruins

[clever cobalt]

Interesting

[fast hill]

I ended up pushing it to the back of my mind when I realised all ttrpg ideas I had for it were either dnd or pathfinder adjacent

[clever cobalt]

I've had a similar idea, a City Planet (whatever they're called; the exact term escapes me) that got "Reclaimed" by nature

[fast hill]

Then a few days ago I had the epiphany I could just make it a pf2e setting

[fast hill]

Ooo yeah thats awesome

I love that

[fast hill]

In the initial ideas I had were that elves and dwarves were genetically engineered (from human dna) to serve the precursors, while humans themselves were neolithic primates smashing rocks together

I ended up ditching it because I wanted to have completely unique races but that's an idea that's coming back

I guess my issue is that when you pick up a setting guide, you need to be able to use all your old player options

But pathfinder 2e has... a lot of very golarion-specific, vibe contrasting options

You cant have a dark fantasy setting with a leshy or the pug dudes who's name escapes me

As an example

[fast hill]

I think that it's very hard to present a setting guide that locks people out of previously established player options while having enough content to replace it

[clever cobalt]

Yeah, Golarion is interested in that way

Also you're thinking of shoonies

[fast hill]

Yeah

I think a pf2e setting guide is possible

It just requires a lot of work

[clever cobalt]

It'll just take a lot of effort, yeah

[fast hill]

Work that most people don't want to put in when 5e guides sell better

[silver geyser]

That's coward talk.

Like, if there's stuff like the Dark Crystal out there, you can absolutely make things like Leshy or Poppets or Shoony into an appropriate concept.

[fast hill]

U rite

But thats like, a very specific vibe

[solar tendon]

honestly kinda disagree

cutting out options can help others shine

and whats the point of a setting if its not gonna shine

[fast hill]

I agree

[solar tendon]

and like not every piece of game material has to be built for indefinite play

[fast hill]

Hmmm

Thats fair

[solar tendon]

I played an au future golarion campaign where everything taller than a dwarf was gone

[trail nova]

It's sort of also the point of rarity.

[solar tendon]

it was awesome

[trail nova]

Particularly for a home setting, you can just ride harder on the higher rarity stuff.

[solar tendon]

and like putting the spotlight on all the small ancestries changed the vibe so much

[trail nova]

Or go "nah, elves are uncomon, androids are common" or something.

[tough perch]

I'm going to second the idea that you can just cut options that don't fit the setting

as a matter of fact, the whole rarity system specifies that those are the rarities in golarion

to me that means you should just change those according to what you need, including cutting what doesn't fit

i have a campaign in my head that would require everybody to basically be human

[echo briar]

Here’s something I haven’t thought of, Paizo likes mythological references. Maybe we should look at mythological dead gods as potential inspirations for WotI

Pam is a good shoe in for Gozreh

[craggy thunder]

My gm is kind of doing this tbh

Though that’s by setting our game 100 years after Golarion’s narrative present

[eager mountain]

oh hmm

for some reason this wasnt open for a moment

free rpg day

in june

[solar storm]

Oh these look fun

[eager mountain]

In The Great Toy Heist, you take on the role of one of four unique poppets— living toys with strong wills of their own. While your gentle creator is beside himself with worry, you and your friends enact a risky plan to save your home and livelihoods with stealth, subterfuge, and no shortage of luck! 

The Great Toy Heist is a short adventure for 2nd-level characters that gives players a chance to try out one of Golarion’s rare ancestries. This adventure takes a band of poppet heroes on a dangerous mission to prove themselves and save their home— the very place that gave them life! The four pregenerated characters also provide a quick way to jump right into this exciting Free RPG Day adventure! ```

[strange nest]

Poppets are cool

I love em

[sinful gyro]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Starfinder2e/comments/1burpy3/welcome_to_the_starfinder2e_ama_with_the_paizo/
Sf2e QA

Might interest some of ya

Can submit questions now, answers start in 2h 30m

[clever cobalt]

interesting comment I saw

alternatively, Grandmother Spider

I also have a personal theory of who might be in War of Immortals

||The Ashen Man, a Hundun who works for Nyarlathotep and wants to cause the apocalypse. He's been built up over a long time in several places, and this seems like a good place to insert him||

[clever cobalt]

[sinful gyro]

Looks like they're setting a clear line on them being different games

You can mix and match

But it's not the design intent for you to do so by default

Which is good imo

I recall some folk here being worried that like, it's just gonna become a pf2e expansion or that pf2e classes will be base for sf2e etc

[clever cobalt]

Yeah that's good

[sinful gyro]

Reptaloids cut

Mechs coming later

Starship combat they don't wanna talk about yet

Implies to me some big changes

Otherwise they'd not be much to say

[solar storm]

I did hear some stuff about that

[turbid dagger]

I'm just going to guess that reptiloids were Reptilian Skin Snatcher Conspiracy Guys

[solar storm]

I'm glad they're more firmly separate

[clever cobalt]

They are

Which is why them being cut doesn't surprise me

[sinful gyro]

Barathu are becoming a core ancestry