Pathfinder

[clever cobalt]

Or broadly just the Draconic Ravager or Dragon Mage Archetype

Anyways

I'm tempted to insert Anzenmezzeron into Golarion but I'm unsure how. Maybe an extraplanar city that exists beyond the (commonly known) multiverse?

[barren cipher]

how is it for balance?

[tough perch]

it was written by one of the main guys who developed pf2e itself

everything i saw of it seemed really solid balance-wise

but like, i'd take his word over mine

[clever cobalt]

Yeah Mark Seifter made it

Or however you spell it

[tough perch]

if anything, it's overpowered in the sense that there are a TON of options

[clever cobalt]

Yeah

But it's a fun enough "expansion" I'm fine with it personally

[barren cipher]

my baseline assumption is that game designers don't know anything about game balance but i have a good opinion of mark

[clever cobalt]

I mean

Mark was the leader of the balance team iirc

So presumably he knows what he's doing

[tough perch]

i mean, i kind of think of that when i see some APs, but the main books have been really solid

the sourcebooks i mean

[barren cipher]

the pf2 core is like 90-95% rock solid and from what i've seen remaster goes some way to addressing the remainder

[tough perch]

i'm not super delved with the lore but maybe the world wound? grave lands? might be something there to work out of

[barren cipher]

everything outside that is a roll of the dice in my view

[clever cobalt]

Eh, no games perfect

But yeah, Battlezoo Dragons is solid

[barren cipher]

yeah i think you can just airdrop that into geb or something right?

[clever cobalt]

True

I suppose there is an appeal to it being like, a mythical place where Death is absent, but thinking about it Geb also works well

[barren cipher]

or the boneyard

pharasma would love that

[tough perch]

golarion is kinda designed to not need multiverse stuff to pull off this kind of thing

[clever cobalt]

Yeah the Boneyards works in a weird sense?

[tough perch]

the kitchen sinkest setting

[clever cobalt]

It seems like a place that's completely affront to Pharasma yet for one reason or another exists outside her grasp

(The Abhorrers are totally heretic Pharasmans, though)

[tough perch]

which ones were the abhorrers again

[clever cobalt]

Or Hallowed Necromancers, forgot that's a thing

[clever cobalt]

Warrior Priests Necromancers who use necromancy to fight necromancy

They're the ones with the Priest aesthetic and katanas

[turbid dagger]

Draconic Ravager is very cool yeah
Player side draconic frenzy 😳

[clever cobalt]

Also you can become large at level 8, Huge at level 12, and Gargantaun at level 18

Note this isn't Enlarged. You just become bigger

[turbid dagger]

Seems like what I've always wanted
Which is playing Dragon Eidolon summoner but with no summoner

Without gimping myself mechanically

[clever cobalt]

I do recommend the level 10 Size Shifting feat

So the higher levels become uh, less restrictive

[turbid dagger]

You could Change Shape too, yeah?

As a level 1 ancestry feat

[clever cobalt]

Yeah, though you lose all draconic benefits for obvious reasons

[tough perch]

tom just cannot miss with aesthetics i love his work so much but yea abhorrers fit very well as pharasman heretics, except for the color maybe i don't think pharasma is into yellow

[turbid dagger]

(That honestly seems a BIT weird, given all the dragon statblocks say 'hey this doesn't actually change their stats, that old lady whose a magma dragon in disguise WILL haymaker you to death with draconic frenzy still)

[clever cobalt]

Eh, player side balance

Being able to become Large (or bigger) with no downside beyond what comes with the size is already strong

Among other reasons

I personally like the Draconic Diehard class archetype you can attach to any class

It buffs all your "natural" stuff (like natural weapons) bur it means you can't wear armor or use weapons or all that

I enjoy Dragon Diehard Fighter

Partially because the Size makes things fun with Reactive Strike

Among other reasons

[tough perch]

theres the sidebar that says "so these dragons don't fly and are medium sized to fit the balance. if you think these things shouldn't be so you can give all your players flying for free if you're ready to face the consequences it will have for gameplay"

[clever cobalt]

Monk is also good for unarmed reasons

[turbid dagger]

Oh huh
Diehard basically makes Ravager your class huh?
I think the wording would Fuck Up thaumaturge pretty bad
With the can't activate permanent held items thing

[clever cobalt]

You can grab perma flight actually, its just a later level thjng

16 I think?

At least with Draconic Ravager

[turbid dagger]

13 actually
As an ancestry feat

[clever cobalt]

Well also that

[tough perch]

which tells me a lot of the things that work for players differently than it works for dragon creatures are consciently balance decisions

[clever cobalt]

But you need to get the Level 7 feat as well

[tough perch]

ik, but like people will find it weird low level dragons don't fly

[clever cobalt]

While the level 16 version in Ravager has no feat tax

[clever cobalt]

I mean, Automatons need to breath and can get disease

[turbid dagger]

Though
Now that minotaurs are gonna be large by default
I think making your dragon large wouldn't break much
Given young dragons are large

[clever cobalt]

Aren't Minotaurs coming with a "Reach is still limited" stipulation

Or am I misremembering

Having said that yeah, it makes sense

[tough perch]

which is also weird
i really wanted some version of playable construct that works like construct, such as imune to both void and vitality, poisons, diseases and can be repaired by crafting

[clever cobalt]

My point is more player side balance trumps lore, per se

[tough perch]

like i understand the balance reasons for they going with what they did

[clever cobalt]

Yeah

[turbid dagger]

It has not been said outright yet but I assume they'll just be 2x2 squares with 5 foot reach yeah

[tough perch]

oh we're reinforcing the same point

[turbid dagger]

Man, I kind of wish I discovered this earlier lol
Doing season of ghosts, would have loved to play an imperial dragon (if my group was down)
I love my catboy tho, all is good
I'll find some other place to do this

[clever cobalt]

I played a Black Dragon Fighter w/ Draconic Diehard in the Ruleslawyer kingmaker game

It was fun

[tough perch]

one of my favorite ancestries is fairies because they allow you to be tiny

[clever cobalt]

Sadly didn't last very long but, yeah

[turbid dagger]

I'm currently building out a Sovereign Dragon Thaum, a Green Dragon Psychic, and am considering a Forest Dragon Draconic Diehard Flurry Ranger
As Draconic frenzy seems,,,

Yeah

[clever cobalt]

It's fun!

I also briefly played a Red Dragon Barbarian

That was also fun

[barren cipher]

coiling frenzy is pretty wild

i guess the damage dice are never going to be spectacular but i don't think there's much improved grab out there on the player side

[warped orbit]

Eidolons can get it at... 14 I think?

but pretty rare yeah

[turbid dagger]

Furious Grab is the only other one I can recall

Its at 12

[strange nest]

And it’s still only regular grab, not improved grab.

[turbid dagger]

Well coiling frenzy still has the pre-remaster Grab wording of 'automatically grappled'

But yeah this fucks
Dragon Eidolon has always greatly appealed to me
Because you get to have a Crumb of player side monster moves
And draconic ravager is All That

[paper juniper]

ok so
our gm is giving us a free feat as long as it fits what our characters have been up to so far
and it cant directly boost damage
we are level 16
this is pf1

i have looked at defic obedience and have gotten slight headaches

so far my monk has: been thrown several hundred feet in the air by a snake kaiju and failed to land safely, been relentlessly parried and riposted in a single round by a level 12 swashbuckler to near-death
they are also the one in the party that insists on saving the world out of a sense of duty
they feel they aren't strong enough to protect people still
and due to initial arrogance that comes from being level 16 without a worthy challenge for a while is constantly targeted for jabs by our arcanist and gunslinger
cool stuff so far:
did chunky damage to a ancient magma dragon, then got teleported to the feywild (convenient since we were going there anyway) via prismatic spray
kept up with a vampire lord that had its soul fused with an ancient black dragon, still lost but had it on the ropes plus it became a pseudo party member
shadow of the collossus'd the aforementioned snake kaiju and sliced its head up real good

[turbid dagger]

Okay I've decided that if I ever get into a blood lords game I'm gonna seriously pursue playing an Umbral Dragon Spirit Barbarian
Went to Geb cuz thats where the undead are, and is sophisticated enough to realize there's probably enough Nasty Politics there that she can have her favorite food as an assassin/problem solver rather than a serial killer

[rapid wagon]

I'm going to be in one soon! I'm a skeleton kineticist, originally a necromantic experiment to test if the connection to the elemental realm could be sustained after being raised as undead. My original necromancer deemed it a failure because I was mindless at first. I gained my sense of self over time and with it came my Kinetic gate

Kinda figuring things out now, but after some controversy within the carter's guild, I've struck out on my own

I'll find my ambition along the way

[turbid dagger]

Lovely
I love Monster Politics

[surreal basin]

Made my investigator

In heroforge

[solar tendon]

oooh

[turbid dagger]

.....Fatalis would make pretty good art for an umbral dragon huh

[lost bluff]

I'm building a spellcaster and it has been a long ass time so I need to check something: When a Cantrip says "Heightened" for increased efficacy that means when you gain access to spell slots of a level greather than 1st equal to the number right? So +1 is 2nd level sots, but +2 is 3rd level slots?

[warped orbit]

Yes

[unborn rain]

not spell slots, Cantrips are auto increased to your spell casting level

[warped orbit]

+2 heighten increases every four levels

+1 every two

[unborn rain]

so when you've got 2nd level slots, your cantrips count as 2nd level for the purpose of heightening

[lost bluff]

Yeah that's what I thought

Level 8 means 4th level slots meaning only 1 damage increase for Haunting Hymn

[echo briar]

So this weeks dead god has a two syllable name, so Desna, Gorum, Gozreh, Nethys, Shelyn, or Torag.

A lot of good picks, Gozreh seems like a good one to give us now, unless they want to go into fan favorites

The rest make a lot of sense to leave to the last 10 to build suspense

[clever cobalt]

I'm gonna guess Desna or Torag

Also I forget. Is Shelyn or Saranrae Zon-Kuthon's sister?

[trail nova]

Shelyn

[clever cobalt]

Figured, just wanted to check

Also side comment, but last week's death makes me wonder what the relationship between the 3 ascended gods are

Since in last week's entry they teamed up when gods started dying

[echo briar]

There is a theory that Norbenger is the one who dared Calen to do the test of the starstone

[clever cobalt]

Wasn't Norgrober already a god at that point?

[echo briar]

I think calen was first, but I don’t know my timelines

[clever cobalt]

It was norgorber yeah

[echo briar]

Well, there goes that theory

[clever cobalt]

Iomadae is a relatively young goddess

Though I'm curious who we'll see ascend next

||Geb maybe? Even if he is unrelated to the Starstone|||

I think a God of Monsters and Outcasts who isn't Lamashtu would be neat

Even if Lamashtu got a little bit better this Remaster

Ascended Gnoll or Fleshwarp God could be neat

[trail nova]

Yeah. I uhh... am not a fan of them trying to make Lamashtu less horrid, and specifically "oh, she's the goddess of misunderstood outcasts" is particularly not something I like.

Like, reduce the grimdark nonsense in her lore, sure. Make her into some non-malevolent deity... no.

[barren cipher]

i think there's no easy way to do lamashtu

nobody would blink an eyelid if she got airdropped into runequest or something

[trail nova]

There's maybe an angle of "She exploits vulnerable people to her own ends" that you could do.

... but that does actually make her a viable target for ganking, with Arazni stepping in.

[rustic cape]

I think also it’s interesting to say that outcasts, and especially those with physical deformities, may turn to Lamashtu for aid and will be welcomed with open arms

That doesn’t make her not horrible, she explicitly wants to make her followers Worse, but the answers she offers may be legitimately attractive to some questions

She offers succor, strength, and acceptance

All she asks for is your principles

And what have those ever done for you?

[barren cipher]

god of gamergate

[rustic cape]

To the thirsty, she gives the strength to live without water. To the hungry, the cunning to always find a meal. You can ask another god. They might answer.

[tough perch]

horrifyingly accurate

[rustic cape]

Or you can ask Lamashtu for the fangs and claws you need to kill and eat a motherfucker

[solar tendon]

sometimes you do just need to kill and eat a motherfucker tbh

[rustic cape]

Are you in pain? Lamashtu can take it from you

[barren cipher]

everyone would be doing it though

[rustic cape]

Does your heart ache? She can tell you how to get what you want. What you deserve, because you want it.

Lamashtu is the love that seeks to make you worse, the acceptance that you should question, the counsel that reeks of cruelty.

[solar tendon]

if nothing else lamashtu aint gonna fuckin victim blame you

[rustic cape]

But she has love, and acceptance, and counsel.

Like all gods she is right after a fashion. She is deeply wise.

Her truth is real. It’s also awful, maybe find a better truth.

There are other gods, other answers.

It’s just … maybe they’re not what you want.

Maybe they’re not what you need.

(Or at least think you need.)

This has been: gk pontificates about Lamashtu

[fast hill]

damn right

I want to play a champion of cayden sometime

[strange nest]

Furious finisher seems kinda neat even if falls behind at later levels

[surreal basin]

do you guys think that

exploit vulnerability

stops regeneration

if they're triggering a weakness to the damage type that disables their regen

[warped orbit]

No

You're not actually dealing that damage type, just triggering the weakness as if you were

[novel merlin]

Does it say that the weapon acts as if it's that damage type in general, or just that it applies the extra damage?

[surreal basin]

Your unarmed and weapon Strikes activate the highest weakness you discovered with Exploit Vulnerability, even though the damage type your weapon deals doesn’t change.

[turbid dagger]

Yeah it seems to me like the weakness only changes
Technically speaking regen and weaknesses aren't tied
Its just that practically speaking most monsters with regen and a weakness have their regen shut off by that

[surreal basin]

fair yeah

[turbid dagger]

Now that said
I def think thaum turning regen off is more FUN

And don't think it breaks the game if you can put down trolls super easy as a thaum

[barren cipher]

regen is a pretty big ticket item to be fair

it usually costs double the regen value in base hp

[silver geyser]

Regen is one of those encounter-defining things.

Moreso than even a weakness or resistance.

[clever cobalt]

Thaum is already pretty strong

Having said that

Having "disable regeneration" as a sub option of that one feat that can ignore resistance as opposed to inflict weakness could work

[barren cipher]

tarrasque btfo

[rustic cape]

My hot tarrasque take is that if you're gonna have kaiju in the game, the tarrasque should just be one of those

It doesn't have to be an entity you can fight

I know it's tradition

[turbid dagger]

It feels odd
Because kaiju are sort of implemented as like
A complex of hazards, right?
And Tarrasque is suppppppppooooosssseeddllllyyy about as big as them and has done considerably more property damage on average but is a statblock

[clever cobalt]

It's probably because the Tarrasque us known as basically the ur-monster and people want to fight it

[rustic cape]

Let me climb down the tarrasque's throat and get in a fight with its heart

[solar tendon]

and then climb inside its heart and fight its hearts heart

[thorny berry]

World Revolution intensifies in the background

honestly 'really, really big monster as a whole-ass dungeon' seems like a pretty sick way to close out a campaign

[barren cipher]

i had the never-dying corpse of the god of earthbound beasts as a dungeon once, they had to fight their way through various parasite-infested organs to get to the king of the mind flayers

[turbid dagger]

Was the king of the mind flayers gonna plug itself into the god brain and puppet it around

[silver geyser]

eat the god-brain

[barren cipher]

no, he was just chilling there running a society of demon-summoning mind flayers who ate ethically-sourced brains derived from the eternally bleeding wounds of the slain god

the players decided they were going to resurrect all the gods so that would have had, you know

consequences

[light gyro]

strength of thousands book 4 spoiler. ||a dungeon wants me to throw 3 iron golems at the party. should i tweak this? golem antimagic is a pain||

[unborn rain]

||Depends on what spells they've got. If they've got the right spells to counter it should be fine. Like electric arc will straight up slow 2 of them. And if they've got acid damage, that's gonna tear through the golems pretty quick.||

[light gyro]

||actually, good point. The wizards fall-back is electric arc. The pyro bomber can pivot to acid vials, the Magus might be in a bit of trouble though||

[unborn rain]

||yeah, I'd definetly either straight up tell them the anti-magic stuff or like give very strong "YOU CAN (and should) RECALL KNOWLEDGE" type reminders. Anti-magic isnt perfect but it does make players have to think about fights differently, which I think is good.||

[surreal basin]

So here’s a fix that is straight form monster core

Give them spell resistance equal to their physical resistance instead that bypassable by the trait that would harm them in their antimagic

And then throw out antimagic

[surreal basin]

And it comes highly reccomended by me

I’ve been just applying it to them in my campaigns and it’s so much better oh my god

[warped orbit]

I'll note that bombs won't interact with antimagic

Since alchemical items are not magical

[silver geyser]

Which is one of those good and bad things

Same goes for Inventor stuff

[rustic cape]

Hey can anyone attest to the quality of Battlezoo’s year of monsters?

It’s pretty expensive to get with the foundry module

[clever cobalt]

It's good, but expensive

That's my take on it, having bought it

I think you're better off buying what interests you as opposed to everything

[rustic cape]

Ah, my gm got a copy of it anyway

[fossil temple]

Do you think/hope starfinder will make Trick Driver more useful?

[rustic cape]

I guess I’m playing Frozen Flame

[fossil temple]

I love the archetype but is so hard to make it work in combat consistently

[solar tendon]

I think trick driver is always gonna be campaign dependent to an extent

one thing I like the idea of is like

free archetype but you can only take the vehicle archetypes

in addition to regular free archetype even maybe

so when vehicle combats do happen everyone has a role without it requiring investment from their main combat role

[fossil temple]

oooh that would be awesome

Would make Pirate and Viking Archetype more desirable too

[solar tendon]

ooooh

[warped orbit]

wrong thread?

[silver geyser]

Still worth an ooooo

[solar tendon]

oh yeah rip

[frank crystal]

Man, how do I push players into the next room of a dungeon without like, making something dangerous approach them from behind?

[barren cipher]

stare at them blankly until they do something

[frank crystal]

Because we had like, 5 minutes of downtime as they refused to just walk forward because they knew a fight was going to happen if they did but also that fight would not occur if they refused to walk forward and that fight was the only way to achieve their goal

[barren cipher]

i had my players throwing rocks and shooting cantrips at a tree and ended up constantly repeating 'whatever you do to the tree, it reacts in a way that you would absolutely expect from an ordinary tree, what do you do next' for a solid five minutes

[frank crystal]

Yah ideally I want to avoid a scenario like that

[barren cipher]

sometimes they get fixated and they need to come around by themselves

i guess you can always send the boss's goblin herald out to parley with them

[turbid dagger]

I think there is a time and a place for saying in OOC brackets
(Ey yo go forward and do plot)
Especially since I think a lot of strategizing around fights tends to be from the human urge to 'optimally' solve a problem, when the players themselves might just want to Go Do Fight

[solar storm]

Time pressure is a good way to give some impetus

[frank crystal]

Yah it’s like, I want them to experience a cool fight but also I know they want to start that fight on the best way for them but also that best way for them would suck for the actual fight

[turbid dagger]

Like, when people spend 15 minutes going 'okay we'll rig a boulder trap and poison the wine and lure the monsters out one by one and'
A lot of the time I feel thats them going 'okay we have time to strategize, we NEED to use it'
Rather than them not wanting to do the fight

[frank crystal]

The best way for them is just a boring funnel where nothing happens because only 1 enemy can hit them at a time

[turbid dagger]

And you can just tell them 'its alright if you just go in and have fun smashing beasts'

[surreal basin]

Yeah I’m gonna be honest

Just tell them to cut it out

Like OOC

[frank crystal]

I guess but also this group will have a worse time if I just tell them “go fight”

Like I’ve played with this group for years, we don’t really enjoy just being told “go do this now”

[tough perch]

i do the same but i do try to keep in character

like "it starts to dawn on you that you've been uselessly poking a harmless door for a few minutes"

or "you then realize that the enemy has no reason to come to your traps, they are on the defensive and if you want to get through them to reach the mcguffin you will need to advance"

generally when players are overthinking stuff and making plans based on that, they're usually terrible plans

[surreal basin]

I guess you’re just stuck then unless you make every situation have time pressure

Or like

Talk to them outside of the game and say that you really don’t enjoy when they just stand there doing nothing

You’re a player too

[frank crystal]

Fair enough yah

I’ll just ask them to be a bit more decisive with their stuff

[clever cobalt]

An animist would probably fit in pretty well in the Realm of the Mammoth lords, thinking about it

[frank crystal]

Oh yah it absolutely would

[frank crystal]

What are trolls like in Golarion?

[rustic cape]

Hungry

[thorny berry]

oh yeah I always refer to that whole scenario as 'wizard carpooling'

from a personal incident in which I was losing my god damn mind at the other players in a mage: the awakening game who were very certain that it was important we figure out who was riding in which car on the way to [scene we were investigating]

[turbid dagger]

Big green rhino boar hellbeasts that are yes, hungry
They were created by a demon lord who actively hates them
Because he looks like a troll and has terrible body dysphoria, but every time he tries to maim himself into a different appearance he regens back to normal

He's the demon lord of wildfires because those are one of the few things trolls are afraid of

[frank crystal]

Ah so they’re effectively just big dumb hungry monsters that are related to literal demons then

[turbid dagger]

Yeah
Tho mind goblins are also that

RE demons

[frank crystal]

Oh they’re made by a demon?

[turbid dagger]

Yeah the goblin hero gods are minor demon lords

We actually have record of fairly peacable trolls in the same way
There's one training to be a monk in the iconic monks short story, and a whole culture of them in Kaer Maga

And one who was kidnapped by an Absalom crime lord only to replace said crime lord when he disappeared
Yes this is the plot to mass effects shadow broker DLC

[clever cobalt]

Yeah said Crime Lord's biggest goal is to exist openly in Absalom

He currently goes out to operas, salons, etc, but in a human illusion guise

He wants to skip that step and exist as himself

[frank crystal]

That’s pretty sick

[clever cobalt]

Bensi Skule I think his name ie?

He actually rules the biggest gang in Absalom

He's also a talented alchemist iirc

Also reminds me of Mother Jackal, one of the other more interesting people in thr Absalom book

[fast hill]

titan wrestler might be my favourite feat

especially when combined with like the wrestler archetype as a whole

[rustic cape]

Yeah a lot of people like wrestler

Because it's great

[clever cobalt]

What classes go well with Wrestler?

Monk, I imagine

wild druid as well I guess?

[fast hill]

champion

that's what I was when I had it

any character who you really want to have crazy feats of strength

[clever cobalt]

owo

Gonna consider that for my Dragon Diehard Fighter

or at least, would, if not for the massive feat tax

[turbid dagger]

Barbarian, especially Animal Barbarian
AKA Hoarah Loux

[clever cobalt]

True, hadn't considered that

[barren cipher]

yeah champion is actually a good pick

your damage is pretty mediocre anyway

[fast hill]

yeah

when I was a champion with wrestler

i wanted to suplex the big bad dragon we were going to fight

[barren cipher]

i think barb has a little bit of redundancy but that just means you can mix and match to get all the best grapple feats

[fast hill]

that was the aim

[clever cobalt]

MACHO LIBRE

[barren cipher]

"i am like all the other wrestlers, but i have +2" is pretty solid

meanwhile gymnast swash is over there with "i am like all the other wrestlers but i roll twice and pick the highest"

[fast hill]

gymnast swashbuckler is the swashbuckler I just cant vibe with

[barren cipher]

yeah it's a bit rough, much easier for everyone else to pop finisher every turn

but like

free hero point every grapple and trip is kinda hard to beat

[surreal basin]

Hold on wait

[surreal basin]

Godrey starts out as a champion with an animal companion, then goes Animal Instinct Wrestler Barb for phase 2

[frank crystal]

So rn my players are investigating into a group of bandits that seem to be hired by a big conspiracy they’re investigating

But I really want them to find those bandits murdered by a group of extremely violent adventurers

So their real goal is to find the living members, who were their enemies not long ago and protect them in order to get the information out of them

[frank crystal]

Hmm, what do y’all think would be a good statblock for some animal/monster tamers?

[sinful gyro]

Beastmaster?

Oh I thought you said name for some reason

Well are they like, working along side or are they more of a summoner

[frank crystal]

working alongside

[barren cipher]

animal statblock and whatever, probably

[sinful gyro]

https://2e.aonprd.com/MonsterFamilies.aspx?ID=186

Could try some of these

[barren cipher]

i don't really see a compelling reason to make them command an animal or anything

[sinful gyro]

Maybe give them some abilities to work together

Like help set up each others attacks

[turbid dagger]

Man
Exposure to battlezoo has ruined me
I really want to get into a new game now

[frank crystal]

Oh Poachers having access to snares is neat

Ill use them

just buff em up a bit

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/caveman-carlos-bunga-carlitos-captain-gif-20967658

Kinda wish my group had continued frozen flame

[rustic cape]

We've got a druid(witch) and a psychic(medic) in the party so far

Pondering what to play

Animist is sexy but casting looks covered

[turbid dagger]

To offer my own two cents-
My dream char for Frozen Flame is a Ranged Reprisal dex paladin with a Hornbow

Fun little back rank defender type

[frank crystal]

Are there any psychic NPCs?

[turbid dagger]

Not seeing anything with Unleash Psyche in the bestiary

[frank crystal]

Damn

I’ll have to homebrew it then

So long as I make an occult caster with unleash and an amp it should be good though

[turbid dagger]

Yeah it won't be hard to Brew

Hags may be a good base for an occult caster blocj

[frank crystal]

Oh yah that’d be a good pull

[solar storm]

Thematically yeah

https://2e.aonprd.com/Monsters.aspx?ID=739

Like this

The things to look for are telepathy, thoughtsense, and occult spellcasting

https://2e.aonprd.com/Monsters.aspx?ID=1912

another

[solar storm]

https://x.com/nethysarchives/status/1767811713578262761?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

Archives of Nethys (@NethysArchives) on X

The Remaster is live! Please check out the front page of our PF2e AoN for more details and enjoy!

Twitter · Mar 13, 2024, 7:15 AM

Oh hell yes

[unborn rain]

lets fucking goooo

I have suddenly forgotten every single thing I ever wondered about what has changed in the remaster

[fast hill]

yoooo aon is finally updated

[clever cobalt]

God Death Day!

[frank crystal]

Yaaaaaay

Oh nice they’re marking the old stuff as legacy content

But it’s still all there

Oh even the old patron themes that were all replaced

[sinful gyro]

Nice

[rustic cape]

Alright, playing an animist. Any thoughts on what works well for Free Archetype (other than maybe druid)?

[sinful gyro]

Didn't even know they had this, nice

[rustic cape]

Oh cool

[turbid dagger]

I seem to recall you having a medic but I'd rec that in a vacuum
I forget, does the fighty spirit make you proficient in martial weapons

[rustic cape]

It does

[turbid dagger]

If so possibly marshal

[rustic cape]

Although I don't think I want to frontline, really

[turbid dagger]

You can just shoot bow/do Marshal support stuff like cadence call

[frank crystal]

Oh so other minor gods will die

[warped orbit]

Yeah

Just only one core god

[scenic patio]

Dang I appreciate the emotional and work based honesty and insight this post brought 😔

[clever cobalt]

I am glad they're shaking things up in Golarion honestly

I hope we get some big setting changes

[frank crystal]

So gamers, what do y’all think would be a good name for an adventuring party lead by an extremely violent bugbear?

[sinful gyro]

Bear Force 1

Unbearables

[turbid dagger]

The Thrash Pack

[frank crystal]

Oh I like that

[thorny berry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LMZYnOml54&ab_channel=SupergiantGames

[turbid dagger]

https://youtu.be/TgqiMzWqGec

[thorny berry]

it's a good song!!

[turbid dagger]

/j if it wasn't clear
But yes thats what I drew that from lol

[thorny berry]

though also I can't link that without linking the version from the accoustic version of the sound track

which is

well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkoRlRCZc1s&ab_channel=SupergiantGames

one of the intros of all time

[warped orbit]

https://twitter.com/tunefulrover/status/1509618756879884296?t=hcXakQjzMGbHPkapzHQy7Q&s=19

Michiel de Groot (@tunefulrover) on X

There's a room in Prague Castle where they show all the weapons people tried to put guns on.
Swordgun. Axegun. Knifegun. Shieldgun. Macegun.

Twitter · Mar 31, 2022, 7:48 PM

[silver geyser]

It's beautiful.

[light gyro]

oh my god they actually ||coordinated it||
https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6siix?The-Godsrain-Prophecies-Part-Six

[clever cobalt]

||coordinate how?||

[light gyro]

||im mostly joking but its neat that the nethys article came out the same day as the archive updating||

[clever cobalt]

True

[unborn rain]

Yet another Alkenstar W

[clever cobalt]

Gun Stonks rising astronomically

Another Earth W

[barren cipher]

https://royalarmouries.org/collection/search?object_type=Combination+weapons&image=true&view=grid&page=1

this is one of my favourites

axe-hammer-gunner's quadrant for sighting artillery

[clever cobalt]

Also continuing the theme of "Yah core aspect of God turns back on God and kills them"

[barren cipher]

see? it's gonna be rovagug

[unborn rain]

I feel like it's more, Nethys fucks around, finds out

[light gyro]

though this time with a side-order of

[barren cipher]

the god of destruction is, ironically, destroyed

[light gyro]

this is why i worship Shjorfthagor, the god of not being undone by your own domain

[clever cobalt]

Also learned of this

[craggy thunder]

I remain calling that it's Irori

For admittedly no super rock-solid reason

[echo briar]

Honestly, matter and spirit is just a poltergeist TBH. And mind a life is just a human

[craggy thunder]

five bucks on irori

[clever cobalt]

Still think Saranrae

[echo briar]

I'm hoping abadar

I think his death would create so many stories

(and make the game economy much more complicated, but they can probably make it work, it will be fine. Find a new vault keeper, maybe Asmodeus)

[clever cobalt]

As bad as Abadar could be I think giving Asmodeus the domain of capitalism isn't a good idea

[silver geyser]

Let's kill Rovagug. >:D

But my actual money is on Lamashtu.

[echo briar]

In game or out of game?

Out of game it’s a great idea for a variety of adventures

[clever cobalt]

In-Game

[ember bay]

My money is still on Zon

[echo briar]

Anyways, I don't really get what makes body and mind and matter and spirit so opposite that combining them makes a god explode

Like, almost all sentient beings are a combination of mind and body, and a elemental spirit is a very common idea

It’s just a gameplay thing really, but they treat these synergistic ideas like polar opposites

[silver geyser]

I mean, we do have things that can exist as minds and spirits without matter.

[surreal basin]

It’s just in terms of magic

[rustic cape]

Aw, Nethys was one of my hopefuls

[frank crystal]

Hmm, how would a dual form weapon inventor go with a melee+gun weapon?

[turbid dagger]

Very MAD
Unless you take a finesse melee, one of the finesse twohanders may be good

[frank crystal]

Yah that’s what I was thinking

[turbid dagger]

I guess my Q is
What do you see being a hybrid melee ranged character as getting you

[frank crystal]

Megaton from range without the normal problem of AOOs that ranged builds have

[surreal basin]

Hybrid weapons are pretty bad at not proccing aoos but fair

[turbid dagger]

Yeah, swapping is an interact action
singlehandedly making combination weapons more or less completely pointless

[frank crystal]

I mean I’m referring to dual form weapon the inventor feat

I’m more referring to a build that’s primarily for ranged megaton but is just good at melee when it calls for it

[barren cipher]

two interact actions is pretty expensive

[turbid dagger]

Yes, and it works the same way basically
Taking two manipulate actions to swap

That can be AoO'd

[frank crystal]

I guess yah if you need to reload the gun

[scenic patio]

Nethis safe makes sense

[surreal basin]

Ohhhh I mean

Dual weapon inventor is way better than combo weapons

Grab a elven curved sword as the melee and you’re golden

[warped orbit]

The swap action exists now though

[thorny berry]

Envoy playtest up: https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6siiy?Field-Test-4-Team-Up-with-an-Envoy

[clever cobalt]

Warlord

[thorny berry]

I think I dig it? It feels like it runs the swashbuckler risk of being too 'rotation' focused but that probably improves as you learn more directives.

[rustic cape]

Oh someone is playing a homebrew Warlord in the Quest for the Frozen Flame game I'm starting in

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QvXA8eBMBjZsk0SX9zwSO3XS536EQ0Q6/view This thing

[frank crystal]

What is Envoy in SF1E?

[barren cipher]

face/expert i think

[frank crystal]

Ah IC

[turbid dagger]

Warlord

AIUI

[frank crystal]

Ahhh

[turbid dagger]

As in a support who supports by going 'yay yay go team fuck em up so bad'
With pom poms in hand

[clever cobalt]

Also it looks like the Operative is gonna be a Rogue-Fighter

good at damage, I mean

the Envoy is the skill monkey

[barren cipher]

i think last time it was better at roguing than the rogue

[clever cobalt]

Seems like the Envoy is like, few skills, but high profieincy

plus big damage

[heavy fulcrum]

operative was like, ultimate skill monkey

[warped orbit]

From what I've seen of SF1 Operative, they could just choose to be good at practically any set of skills

[thorny berry]

yeah sf1 operative was 'why bother having anyone else make skill checks' level iirc

whereas presumably new operative is 'The Best at specific skills' and new envoy is just 'has a lot of skills'

[turbid dagger]

Being able to get skill profs early like a fighters attack prof would be neat

[thorny berry]

extremely silly

[silver geyser]

Oh just all skill checks

[barren cipher]

oh yeah it was vice versa, there was no point in being an envoy

[eager mountain]

lol

I just established that my ayindalar kineticist believes the sky is just the top of a giant cavern that we cant see becuase its to far away

[strange nest]

Render distance too low

[eager mountain]

literally just trying to frame things from the perspective of someone whos only lived in an underground swamp for like decades

[trail nova]

That… was not a high bar.

And Operative’s edge is a good but not groundbreaking skill bonus - anyone’s specialized skills can keep up, it was just that it applied to everything, instead of 1-2 things. (Envoy got a few more). Also, Operatives had 10+int skill points per level.

[trail nova]

Like, with maybe the exception of Phantom Thief Rogue, which trades all of sneak attack and thus most combat relevance for skill bonuses and fun toys, being better at skills than the Rogue was an honor shared by… basically anything else that was bothering to do skills. Bard, Investigator, Occultist, Mesmerist, some Alchemists, Vigilantes… and probably Slayers, since they didn’t have the crippling combat weaknesses and could thus invest more in skills.

1e Core Rogue is considered one of the worst PC classes in the game for damn good reasons.

[surreal basin]

Alrigh so I think I have my next arc for horror game planned out

They want to go to the local wizard to bring them evidence of the weird shit that’s been happening recently

I think the wizard and his apprentice were developing a ritual to watch someone’s dreams, but the fucked up eldritch energy made their dreams and nightmares manifest in reality

[surreal basin]

Just gotta figure out what the boss will be - am thinking a boss that represents a fear of magic spiraling out of control

[turbid dagger]

That exists, but it's a very strong breed of esipil, iirc

Sakhil sorry

Nenchuuj sakhils in specific

[surreal basin]

Ye

Might steal an ability and scale it down a toooob

[rustic cape]

Wolf Drag really look amazing

I’m gonna be playing a Thief Martial Artist soon so I’ll get to test the Wolf Drag/Head Stomp combo in a while

[warped orbit]

it's pretty great, yeah

[fossil temple]

Halfling, what irl language you would appoint to?

[craggy thunder]

idk why but Greek?

[fossil temple]

I can see it
Another friend said Irish

Or even UK english

[tough perch]

I'd appoint italian

[clever cobalt]

Irish/Celtic works

[fast hill]

reposting this because I think it's hilarious

[frank crystal]

Extremely powerful

[unborn rain]

Minority of a given region

Like if the majority Humans or whatever are fantasy English, then Haflings are probably fantasy Welsh/Irish

[fossil temple]

cuz food?

[barren cipher]

hobbits are from worcestershire

[rustic cape]

Is that why they taste good with steak

[tough perch]

food and most people i met with italian descent had large, welcoming families and were mostly short

[clever cobalt]

Just applied for a game set in the Mana Wastes 👀

the Mana Wastes are some of my favorite parts of Golarion, so I'm really hoping I get in

[echo briar]

Honestly, they are so culturally adapted that’s it’s probably some sort of creole

[clever cobalt]

theoretically debating if I'd want to go Nexian Fleshwarp who escaped from the Fleshforges into the Wastes, or a Gnoll who is an inhabitant of the wastes already

[solar storm]

Got the monster core

I haven't really processed it all but some of the more infamous monsters have been adjusted

[clever cobalt]

Anything stand out?

[solar storm]

Bearded Devils (now Infantry Devils don't stop healing with their trident

new art too

[clever cobalt]

they look like they Slay

[solar storm]

Oh also Archons look really weird now

[clever cobalt]

oh?

they're angels right

[solar storm]

These are the same(ish) stats

[clever cobalt]

of the "biblically accurate" kind

Nice

[solar storm]

another

[frank crystal]

Are all angels now like this?

[solar storm]

Archons are

[frank crystal]

Ahhh

What are archons?

[solar storm]

The ex-lawful good war-legions of heaven

[frank crystal]

Ahhh IC

[solar storm]

In alignement terms Archons were LG, Angels NG, and Azata CG

[surreal basin]

Oh hey monster core is actually out! I can talk about it now

They also did what was expected with golems

They just have spell resistance now

Rather than the antimagic stuff

[frank crystal]

For the best

[solar storm]

How did you get it so early anyway?

[surreal basin]

I have my ways :3

[frank crystal]

Thievery

[surreal basin]

I will say it’s very perfectly legal

I just am not supposed to talk about it lol

[solar storm]

Some kind of playtest thing or knowing them or something?

[surreal basin]

More the latter

[solar storm]

that's fair haha

[surreal basin]

I know somebody who gets them early

[solar storm]

I was hoping for a "creatures by area" type of chart but I'll live

It does do by type and level which is nice

[frank crystal]

Oh that’s cool

[surreal basin]

Yeah I…. Still miss that from 1e

That + the like

Environment and group stuff

[solar storm]

Yeah it was really nice for easy encounter ideation

[surreal basin]

Tbh I think The Monsters Know What They’re Doing would be a good thing to do for 2e as well

Which, for those who don’t know, was a 5e blog that took statblocks and broke down how to run them tactically

[solar storm]

It's a great series its almost wasted on 5e

[surreal basin]

👀 yeah

Tbh I could attempt to do something like it for 2e

It’s been a thought I’ve had

[solar storm]

That would be cool

[surreal basin]

It would also let me reveal my biggest power play

[solar storm]

There's a few monsters like Marsh Giants which have really obvious tactics loops but its often something I realize like 2-3 rounds into combat

[surreal basin]

Which is that there’s nothing stopping really smart monsters and NPCs from Recalling Knowledge

[solar storm]

If I hadn't done enough homework

[surreal basin]

On players

[frank crystal]

I roll for NPCs knowledge all the time

[surreal basin]

Which I have historically rarely used as a tactical analysis thing

Like they roll society against the players DC for their level + 5

(Cause the players are unique)

And then they can like…. Know which pc has the worst will save or something

[frank crystal]

My thing it really depends on like, the fame of the players

[fast hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/805880814813970433/1217920551880884476/IMG_9195.jpg?ex=6605c7e7&is=65f352e7&hm=0f4d3bd6e50c270e756aaad38e6cb6404456efe4e78e15ead478212ef87f000c&

[frank crystal]

Like naturally as the campaign goes if the players become more famous enemies will naturally know how to fight them better

Because they know what they’ve done in the past

[clever cobalt]

Hmm, what kind of Solo Element Kineticist makes the most sense for a Fleshforged from Nex that was made as basically living artillery?

I wanna say Fire or Metal, but I'm curious what you guys think

Also damn now I wanna see the Monster Manual

I just heard there was an Adamntine Dragon in Numeria who hoards technology

[solar storm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/694332611555753996/1217956086628352160/image.png?ex=6605e8ff&is=65f373ff&hm=87bce25afab0ed1c131d62c38ad846481e4058402fd7372a683a4a82ae2e0577&

New leshies

Art wise

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/694332611555753996/1217956101316677712/image.png?ex=6605e903&is=65f37403&hm=ccd77e654791ce2120f1df321b27e40dc2e6dedb6211b80372d0f9b264ee1ed8&

[clever cobalt]

I also heard there was good Kholo art in the book

[solar storm]

There is yeah

[clever cobalt]

I haven't seen it

Mind sharing it?

[solar storm]

I can in a bit - searing some fish

[clever cobalt]

Sure, no rush

[solar storm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/694332611555753996/1217957596171075675/image.png?ex=6605ea67&is=65f37567&hm=54610e3e84606b6087ba3f0d830ce7a8c42669922c77cb2d565d85b0d358d73d&

I do have this handy

Which is a fun little blurb

[clever cobalt]

Yeah that tracks

[solar storm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/694332611555753996/1217958318278971452/image.png?ex=6605eb13&is=65f37613&hm=2395d32535d4890ae87fa222ec2617817100ecc2113a0eb10232d2429f9faa18&

Someone sent me this lomng fox

[surreal basin]

PIPEFOX

THEYRE A FAMILIAR IN 1e

[solar storm]

Oh cool

I only played PF1 once and it wasn’t a very good game for reasons which had nothing to do with pathfinder

[thorny berry]

Well, mono-metal would ventually let you pick up Elemental Artillery via Elemental Overlap

so there's that

though I forget if that's actually any good I know it's one of the ones people argued about because it has weird action economy

[solar storm]

Are they a kineticist from the fleshwarping or a fleshwarp who happened to have their gate open?

[clever cobalt]

I'm presuming the former

[turbid dagger]

Biggest plot twist of Golarion's whole metaplot- Norgorber was an orc in life and that's why he hides his identity as a god

[echo briar]

If you don't mind me asking, how are the new hags?

I have heard that they, and I quote, "collectively look like they just came off a Gorillaz album"

Also, Kobolds absorb the magic of all powerful beings, not just dragons, but what does that look like mechanically?

[solar storm]

Headcanon accepted that rules

[solar storm]

Yeah kind of Gorillaz/Other Mother vibes

They look good

[warped orbit]

pipefoxes are so silly

[solar storm]

Not sure if these are new

[frank crystal]

Ngl this fucking terrifies me lol

Its so uncanny

[solar storm]

Also my favorite of the new hags

The "Cuckoo Hag"

[limber comet]

Ew gross

Kill it

[solar storm]

a couple more before I go

[limber comet]

Oh the sweet hag being made out of dough is cool

[clever cobalt]

other mother type beat

[surreal basin]

Only the sweet hag is like

Statistically new

Iirc

[turbid dagger]

Is the annis hag still around, did it get reflavored
I always liked that one
'yeah im a hag'
'i have no dire plot or wicked curse though'
'im just going to disembowel you'

rends

[surreal basin]

Yeah

[turbid dagger]

Did it get renamed? Or is Annis Hag not an OGL thing
(I assume the other redesigns are, may be wrong)

[surreal basin]

It’s just Iron Hags now

Also the night Hag is pretty significantly different now

[turbid dagger]

(Did Iron Hags get new art 🥺 )

[solar storm]

Yes

[turbid dagger]

..................
..................
May I see 🥺

[surreal basin]

Gonna have a fairly mean encounter in this wizard tower

A complex trap that can do stunned 1 or 2

• a choker hiding in the room

The players are a level higher than the choker so I’m not too worried about it being like

Statistically difficult

But it’ll be an exercise in suffocation rules and action Econ

[trim grotto]

Might be joining a Ruby Phoenix campaign!

[turbid dagger]

Oh kickass!
I've always wanted to play in that
I crave the high level violence

[surreal basin]

It’s a cool one! Pretty difficult imo

[trim grotto]

Considering either playing a construct inventor that pilots my construct (via the Construct shell feat) or going Dragon barbarian

[turbid dagger]

I've always wanted to do an animal barbarian
Take ape and just flavor it as Angry Martial Arts

This kinda shit

[surreal basin]

I really wanna use that wild child archetype they’ve talked about for Howl

[turbid dagger]

SAMMMMEEEEE
I love the idea of classes that can gank monster abilities
Its why I'm on a Battlezoo Dragons kick
Its getting fucking REND

(wild mimic that is, not dragons)

(Dragons gets draconic frenzy 😳 )

[frank crystal]

I now also have the revised monster manual

[thorny berry]

yeah I'm also v curious how they do the kinda generic lycanthrope archetype

cause I'd just been saying oh hey cool animal barb lets you just play A Werewolf without it being a whole fuckaround

so I'm kinda curious what the alternate approach looks like

especially if it's customizable that there's plausible reason to be, like

something other than an unarmed martial on it

[surreal basin]

I have done

gobling tactics analysis

[frank crystal]

Yah it’s weird, because lycanthropes are one of those things that a lot of people want but are actually mechanically kinda simple?

[surreal basin]

i should do a writeup as a proof of concept

[frank crystal]

Like you look at a werewolf statblock and like

It’s pretty normal

There’s not a lot to em

[turbid dagger]

Claws, moon frenzy, curse, maybe pounce or rend if your good

[frank crystal]

Yah

[surreal basin]

Alright, I want this wizard tower to have a few scholarly journals - gimme some topics they could be on

this is like

a level 6-8 wizard

[turbid dagger]

Planar politics
devils and einherjar and stuff
(This is my SOT characters field of study)

Imagine the kind of fucked up things devils do to get a promotion, is all I'm saying
And contrast that with the incredibly stuffy electoral process for archons

[surreal basin]

[silver geyser]

A functional analysis of reagents for the creation of magic items

[craggy thunder]

This idea fucks

[craggy thunder]

Maybe a text or several outlining different wizarding traditions, i.e. Maagambyan stuff & the Runelords' system

[surreal basin]

alright
I have a new thing to ask for advice on

I'm making that creature that is born from the fear of magic run wild

so far it has

and the following spells

but I feel like it needs something more

especially as the cap to level 3 and this little arc of the campaign

[craggy thunder]

So this would be kind of a dick move

But maybe the ability to force the Superstition barbarian anathema on someone

[surreal basin]

Ooo that’s good

[craggy thunder]

Also

I have brainblasted a very fun character idea

Old, grizzled tengu monk lady

who carries like four different swords and worships hei feng

God damn it wait

I just made the grandma version of my Icon spellblade

Fuck

[craggy thunder]

l m a o

What's a good sword to use tengu weapon familiarity for use with a monk build?

[surreal basin]

The fail condition lasts as long as you continue to be frightened

kinda tempted to make it a single action actually

since it requires someone to be frightened

also made a feature where if it would make you fleeing it instead paralyzes you which

Is mostly because I don’t wanna deal with fleeing in this wizard tower lol

[frank crystal]

Temple sword is the obvious choice

Peafowl stance is pretty strong

[turbid dagger]

Note that Ancestral Weaponry as-worded won't snag you the monk tag on a sword you got with Tengu Weapon
Unless your GM is giving you the OK

[craggy thunder]

I mean peafowl stance works with any sword you can one hand

I mean yes but ancestral weaponry does exist

[turbid dagger]

As it needs to be a weapon you unlocked with an ancestry familiarity feat that has your ancestry tag

[craggy thunder]

Oh

dumb

[turbid dagger]

It is yes

Ask your GM

[craggy thunder]

The tag part feels so fuckin unnecessary lol

[turbid dagger]

If they give the okay, the dueling sword maybe? d8 dex onehander is nice
Falcatta if you still want to do a str monk

[frank crystal]

I think I may give one of my players some advice for a build, mostly because he just hasn’t been enjoying PF2E and I don’t think his build is helping him

[craggy thunder]

So I've actually played a monk with a dueling sword for a bit lol

[frank crystal]

He’s a level 3 fighter and his fighter feats are blade break and exacting strike when he’s using a great weapon

[craggy thunder]

dueling sword I don't think can be gotten with tengu weaponry

it has to be a common martial sword or the katana, temple sword, or wakizashi

[turbid dagger]

Oh right
In addition to the dueling sword being uncommon monks are not trained in all martial weapons
So uhhhhhhhhhhh
Yeah I'd say temple sword, doesn't cost an extra feat
You could do rapier?

[craggy thunder]

I feel like if a gm said no to the nine ring sword the gm just isn’t fun lol

[echo briar]

So heres something I've noticed, the Aeon stones from RoE (the first ORC book) use the old naming scheme of (adjective) (rock), while the ones in the GM core have the naming scheme of (verb), like sprouting, or preserving.

I wonder why that changed, but didn't change for RoE

Paizo has avoided being sued by WotC via DND, and have walked into being sued by WotC via MtG https://2e.aonprd.com/Equipment.aspx?ID=2893

[surreal basin]

Lmao

[echo briar]

It's impressive, bards have 4 focused items, twice as many as any other class, and they are all kinda bad

[turbid dagger]

In grand tradition

[echo briar]

Like, I want none of them for anything other than the extra focus spell

Actually, if the phantom piano wasn't sentient and a piano, it would be very good.

But its sentient and a piano

[craggy thunder]

Why the fuck is it a piano lmao

[echo briar]

thematics or an attempt at balancing

Like, it can shrink, but you can't use it shrunk, so in combat you need to sit down and play a piano

[unborn rain]

The correct way to use a piano if you're an adventurer

isnt to shrink it down like a coward, it's to put it on wheel and go everwhere riding it like a horse

or a land Gondala

[echo briar]

But accompaniment cloak, a mid control spell with additional limiting placement. harmonic hauberk, static counteract modifiers. entertainers cincture, it makes a drawing

Other classes have better stuff. accolade robe has an extradimensional space and a at will draw+RK. Bloodline robe, 1 action to be quickened on your next turn, allowing you to cast 2 2 action spells in the same turn. cloister robe, armor runes and some free resistance. I'm not cherry picking, these are the first three in alphabetical order

[fossil temple]

italian it is

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-tower-pizza-tower-a-rank-gif-11667225283867991252

[vocal wave]

I've got a question about wood kineticist: they've only got light armor prof, and the hardwood armor impulse provides you with a wooden armor that is "medium but uses your highest proficiency".

Does it mean it becomes light and you're proficient with it? Or is a wood kineticist not proficient with wooden armor?

[charred patrol]

"This hardwood armor is medium armor but uses your highest armor proficiency."
it is medium armor, but when calculating your AC, instead of acting like it is medium armor for the calculation, it just makes you use whatever armor proficiency of yours would be highest, which is probably light/unarmored.

[vocal wave]

Nice, that's what I thought but I wasn't sure. Thanks

[strange nest]

Man spellhearts are cool

Thinking about it now, the weapon attachment effects for the basic elemental ones are pretty much what I was hoping for Arcane Cascade to be

[craggy thunder]

What’re spellhearts?

[barren cipher]

durable talismans that let you cast a cantrip

they also give some other passive and active benefits

[turbid dagger]

Basically permanent talismans that give you a cantrip, limited castings of other spells, and mild buffs whenever you cast them

[craggy thunder]

oh damn

Also I just realized you can Ruffian with a katana with new Rogue lol

[unborn rain]

Banned from two handing it though

[craggy thunder]

Ye, true

[frank crystal]

Wandering ronin character being made as we speak

[craggy thunder]

fucking lmao

I also just realized you could make a town guard character with Ruffian

[frank crystal]

Just get a baton

[craggy thunder]

I was thinking longspear actually

[frank crystal]

Isn’t that 2 hands?

[craggy thunder]

Make a tengu so you can get katana and wakizashi proficiency

handedness doesn't matter afaik

[frank crystal]

Ohhhh

I thought it did

[craggy thunder]

nope

I made a catfolk ruffian with a thundermace once

[frank crystal]

Then yah longspear would be a good choice

That goes hard

[warped orbit]

It's just die size

[craggy thunder]

ye

which also means the fuckin breaching pike works lol

[frank crystal]

Breaching pike ruffian rogue paladin multiclass

[craggy thunder]

but yeah Ruffian tengu with a katana and wakizashi is totally possible

[rapid wagon]

someone say wandering ronin?

what new thing makes this possible?

with the katana n stuff

[warped orbit]

Ruffian works with martial now

[craggy thunder]

Ye

Ruffian works with martials up to 1d6 damage dice

katana is 1d6 one handed

oh shit it also works on advanced weapons

tricky pick ruffian kobold lmao

damn there's a lotta stuff this works with

[echo briar]

The problem is that fatal makes it stop working

so you will actually do less damage on a crit at higher levels

[craggy thunder]

tru

oh tengu weapon familiarity is way better than I thought it was

If you're proficient with all martial weapons you can pick advanced swords

holy shit

buuuuut they're all uncommon save the falcata

or the nodachi I guess

[light gyro]

as a GM id probably give you access since you're already burning a feat on it

[craggy thunder]

I would too, but it sucks that raw, if you're a tengu with weapon familiarity and a class with all martial weapons

you get the falcata and nodachi

breh xD

[light gyro]

In terms of organised play I think all you'd have to do is pick the right nation in your background to get access

[craggy thunder]

fair

'I'm a tengu swashbuckler from the broken lands with this feat, lemme have my dueling sword please'

[warped orbit]

yeah uncommon access is kinda whatever

[fast hill]

I kinda hate that the katana cannot be a dex weapon

it makes me very sad

[light gyro]

Id only really give it a second look if it was a spell/magic item, or a feat from a specific organisation like the magaambaya or pathfinder society

[warped orbit]

I personally ignore uncommon for the most part

and most rare stuff is also fine, but that one might actually need some checking

[craggy thunder]

man the dueling sword has a lot of varying depictions lol

[tough perch]

i kinda hate that the falcata isn't uncommon, cause i can't get it through unconventional weaponry

i think tengu is the only way to treat falcata as a martial weapon

[frank crystal]

It’s so dumb

[carmine egret]

https://vxtwitter.com/Sitaart/status/1768654180690919902

[craggy thunder]

omg that's amazing

[strange zenith]

does anyone know any good discord servers for pathfinder?

a friend of mine is gonna learn and run it, and i think it would be helpful for him and i

[carmine egret]

There's a very large one that is an offshoot of the PF2 Discord

[strange zenith]

do u have the invite or know where i could find it

no worries if not

[frank crystal]

How is the main one anyway?

[turbid dagger]

Huh, really? I'm only on the main PF2 discord

[turbid dagger]

https://discord.gg/c8Qz7UWA

Which is this, by the by

And is good for finding games

Oh perhaps genome meant an offshot of the pf2 reddit

Because TECHNICALLY this is the discord for r/pathfinder2e
But its more active than the reddit is afaik

[fast hill]

pathfinder characters are gamers

characters?

players

[carmine egret]

Oh yeah that was my bad, I misspoke

[fast hill]

looking at pathfinder items and found the colourful coating

https://2e.aonprd.com/Equipment.aspx?ID=1938#

the yellow coating MAKES WALLS EASIER TO CLIMB

with the yellow paint video game discourse going around

it's hilarious

[solar storm]

...

Oh my fucking god

[frank crystal]

This game is terrible

[fast hill]

I'm looking at starfinder

and I just found out about Inheritorworks

it's SO COOL

[thorny berry]

https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sij4?Be-Not-Afraid

empyreal dragon

looks fancy

[fast hill]

is there a good list of starfinder factions and stuff

[clever cobalt]

Speaking of dragons

https://www.backerkit.com/call_to_action/cc1d2589-2734-4d1f-99b2-fa8df681ec94/email_submitted?has_user_account=true#success

[turbid dagger]

[eager mountain]

Uhhh yeah I believe so

There’s a whole list of ship manufacturers

And stuff like that

[clever cobalt]

From Seifter on the PF2e Discord

The series includes fairy dragons, with connections to nymphs, gremlins, unicorns, and fairy courts; misfit dragons, with unusual magical mishaps and interactions; leshy dragons, attuned to nature spirits, plants, and fungi; and battle dragons, who make their home amid the field of battle. There's more info on the launch page I think!

100% Every new dragon has everything you need. It's got the player rules for ancestry, ravager, and mage (plus a little base stuff so you don't need to own the first book). It's got lore. And of course creature stats.

Re; Battle Dragons

One just goes into an all-out berserk frenzy. One wants a one-on-one duel, a fair fight. One hunts and stalks the most dangerous game. One is a mercenary who will fight for whoever pays right. And the last is a warlord who leads others into battle.

[eager mountain]

Any kind of organization you wanna know about before I nap?

Off the top of my head therrreesss

[fast hill]

polities

mostly

theres the pactworlds

[eager mountain]

Veskarium

[fast hill]

veskarium

[eager mountain]

Uhhh thhhe azlanti star empire

[clever cobalt]

Dominion of the Black, aka weird Eldritch weirdos from the space between the stars

Veskarium is the fascist Vesk space empire

Azlanti Star Empire, who developed from Azlanti from Golarion who got stranded on another planet. Basically the Empire from Star Wars + Human Supremacy

Those are the "major" polities that come to mind

[eager mountain]

Uhhh non nation powers areee like

[clever cobalt]

Oh, and the Swarm, basically the Zerg or Tyranids

Horde of alien space locusts

[eager mountain]

Hellknights, knights of golarion, the stewards, xenowardens, aspis consortium, sky fire legion.

Uhhhh and more

[fast hill]

holy shit starfinder has hellknights????

peak

[clever cobalt]

Yeah, they have giant hellships

[fast hill]

HOLY SHIT

that's awesome

[eager mountain]

And thier facist as fuck

[fast hill]

they always were

[clever cobalt]

Lemme get some pics

[eager mountain]

They have a ship with a downward facing orbital gun

To sit over colonies that refuse to give up criminals….

[fast hill]

holy shit they look so cool

[eager mountain]

https://preview.redd.it/ue6ysq5fz1w51.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2e264834104436ff1b40e7dd88e168f5dd1c1124

Pyre hellknight

[clever cobalt]

Here are some Hellknight ships

[eager mountain]

Ye

Knights of golarion/ imodae ship

It’s like 40k , but good

As in the alignment

[limber comet]

Church ship

[fast hill]

starfinder is so peak

[clever cobalt]

Its great

I can't wait for 2e when it's actually playable

[eager mountain]

Xenowarden are space druids

[eager mountain]

I’ve been invited to a starfinder podcast in July

With friends

[clever cobalt]

Nice

Also, is War of Immortals PF2e's first "event"?

[eager mountain]

But yeah all the xenobwarden ships are fuckin trees

[eager mountain]

Possibly

Also yes , xenowardens have a Hyperion tree bubble ship

[fast hill]

I'm already thinking of what I want to run for sf2e

and it wont come up until like

idk

[clever cobalt]

You also have ships like this

[turbid dagger]

I'd say Ranginori and the 'good' elemental lords, plus metal and wood appearing, would be the first big shakeup of the metaplot
I forget if the lastwall/gravelands situation is 1e or 2e, think its 1e

[fast hill]

next year?

[clever cobalt]

I think Fall, actually

[fast hill]

thats the playtest no?

[eager mountain]

Oh yeah Eoxian bone ships are cool

[clever cobalt]

Maybe, I could be forgetting

[fast hill]

gah

I want it so bad

[clever cobalt]

Yeah Playtest is August 2024

My bad

[eager mountain]

?

Thought it was July

[clever cobalt]

Starfinder 2e Playtest

Nope

According to the blog its August

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/so-excited-cant-wait-gif-24703188

[clever cobalt]

https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sidk

[eager mountain]

2-3 months sooner than I thought

[clever cobalt]

Hellknight character/campaign?

[fast hill]

nah

space pirate campaign...

[clever cobalt]

Oh hell yeah

[fast hill]

but like actual pirates with all the pirate ship politics that comes with it

[clever cobalt]

Space Pirates qre rad

[eager mountain]

Playtest book says July tho

[fast hill]

profit sharing and voting on the captain and the all powerful quartermaster

[clever cobalt]

There's a Space Pirate faction actually

[fast hill]

ooooo

[clever cobalt]

Idk why, blog says august

[eager mountain]

It’s an old blog

[clever cobalt]

The Free Captains

[eager mountain]

Ye the free captains

[clever cobalt]

They have a large port in the Asteroid Belt of the Pact Worlds

[clever cobalt]

That acts as their HQ

[eager mountain]

Thier symbols

Anyway I nap now

[fast hill]

so cool...

[fast hill]

On another note in pf2e I want to play a lawful good hellknight

[clever cobalt]

How do you plan to do that?

[fast hill]

well theres no alignment anymore

[clever cobalt]

But yeah a Space Pirate game sounds rad

[fast hill]

but very much "being good does not mean being nice"

[clever cobalt]

Surprised they didn't make an AP for it tbh

In 1e

[fast hill]

yeah

what book is that image from?

[clever cobalt]

Core

[fast hill]

the crb?

sick

[clever cobalt]

Yeah

[fast hill]

I think a friend has it so I am going to pester them

ic so

starfinders world is very centered in the pactworlds

which feels weird

[clever cobalt]

Yeah

Also off topic but I hope Cheliax continues to take Ls

In the Metaplot

For reference, Cheliax tried to invade the Shackles with 47 warships. all of them were either destroyed or captured.

[silver geyser]

Don't forget the successful rebellion as well!

[fast hill]

lmfao

yeah there is a level 10 campaign a friend wants to run

[solar tendon]

Ch-L-iax

[frank crystal]

How do you even manage that?

[silver geyser]

So not only did their inside man get killed, every single pirate lord united their own fleets against them.

And that's a lot more than 47 ships.

[clever cobalt]

yep

[clever cobalt]

for PF2e or Starfinder 2e?

[clever cobalt]

also regardless, Cheliax's navy isn't as good as it was in 1e anymore lol

after such an L

[frank crystal]

goddamn they suck

[turbid dagger]

Admittedly, more ships have been sunk at once in real life naval battles

[fast hill]

pf2e