Pathfinder

[thorny berry]

imo all it really needs is like

bloodline-style bonus spells per mystery and a balance pass over the mysteries

[warped orbit]

Yeah

The main thing I'm curious about in PC2 though is Alchemist

[thorny berry]

ideally I never again want to hear 'oho you fool, you rapscallion, what were you thinking in daring to play this class without taking divine access' or fake out

[frank crystal]

When playing a flurry ranger, it’s probably best to have only agile weapon right?

It doesn’t particularly matter if both are agile?

Just that you have one?

[warped orbit]

you only need one, yes

[frank crystal]

Yah

[echo briar]

https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6siis?The-Godsrain-Prophecies-Part-Five#1

[warped orbit]

so Erastil is safe

not surprising IMO

[echo briar]

I'm believing more and more that each of these prophecies has a hint of truth that will be relevant to the war of the immortals

[warped orbit]

it's possible yeah

at least I doubt there won't be something relevant in all the prophecies

[scenic patio]

It’s not looking good sarinre bros ☹️

[warped orbit]

if you use agile weapons, you cap out at -2 MAP

so it's six attacks at -2 instead of whatever you'd be doing otherwise

[echo briar]

Like, that beast seems suspicious, wouldn't be surprised if thats relevant. Same with Arazni's supposed god killing abilities

[barren cipher]

yeah i was on drugs, i didn’t register the bit with “each” somehow

[warped orbit]

oh yeah that's fair

yeah it's three attacks with each weapon

[clever cobalt]

Makes me wonder if the Dark Tapestry is involved somehow

Given they're literal lovecraftian not-gods

[unborn rain]

Who's that beast guy huh

pretty weird, that beast fella

[clever cobalt]

Yeah

I'm thinking something DT related, personally

Hmm

[light gyro]

You can fly a little!

[clever cobalt]

Do we know only one of the core gods are dying?

[warped orbit]

yes

though some non core gods will be dying most likely

[clever cobalt]

I know who the beast is

[frank crystal]

My pal?!

[unborn rain]

Eventually you're gonna get your DT W

[clever cobalt]

Eventually

Jokes aside I like the alliances mentioned

Zon Kuthon and Saranrae, the 3 Ascended Gods

[limber comet]

Halfway through, fellas

[clever cobalt]

Oh are we already at 5?

Huh we are

We learn in 5 weeks who dies right

Or 6 ig

[light gyro]

please rate my k6bd pathfinder homebrew

[limber comet]

Something like thar

[clever cobalt]

Yeah that tracks

Also, interesting thing I saw on the PF2e server

Yah continues the theme of gods dying due to sorta tension, in their profolio -> drastically dies as hunter becomes hunted, Cayden dies as God of bravery becomes afraid etc

I didn't notice it but

It makes sense

[surreal basin]

I didn’t really like this one tbh

Didn’t feel like it had anything really to do with Erastil lol

[limber comet]

I mean

The thing eating gods is hunting them

Which is Erastil's deal

[surreal basin]

I guess so yeah? But he’s also the god of like…. Family and farming and stuff like that.
Idk, this one just didn’t interest me very much

[turbid dagger]

I admit I haven't liked almost all of them lol
But yeah this is weird
Its not even really an Erastil thing
'bunch of gods get eaten, uhhhhh Erastil too, he's one'

[surreal basin]

Yeah that’s my point is that Erastil hardly matters in it

[limber comet]

Well they can't all be winners I guess

[strange nest]

Erastil divorce

[surreal basin]

Lmao erastil’s death just causes a chain of mortal divorces

[light gyro]

'she took the kids' (an excessive number of goats)

[surreal basin]

Political situation in shambles

[clever cobalt]

It's not touched upon but I like the idea of a post-god world tbh

Like, conceptually

The sun has dimmed and whatnot, bathing the lands in Dusk, as the world straddles life and death

[echo briar]

he is the god of community, and with his death, the cosmic community is shattered

[surreal basin]

I suppose!

[warped orbit]

that's the read I got as well, yeah

[limber comet]

That's true, I didn't even think about that

[echo briar]

So, what could have been in this story that was cut?

[surreal basin]

Probably someone joining the Ray

Whoever it’s gonna be working with them

[echo briar]

The death of one of the members seems like a bad thing to hit, as it gives everything away, so I actually think they might all be safe

[surreal basin]

Yeah, although I already figured since

That’s way more of a downer than

Paizo likes to hand out

Even in a fucked up setting

The death of a PR member is pretty fucked depressing lol

[echo briar]

Jaidi is the only other god mentioned that could join, unless its literally any god

What is Erastil's thoughts on polyamory?

[surreal basin]

Well I could see them being like

[turbid dagger]

Real talk uhhhh
I do think Sarenrae is probably the most likely one
(I will be pissed if this is true but its what the 'cruel logic' section of my brain is telling me)

[surreal basin]

“Arazni joins Saranrae, Shelyn, and Desna in attempting to hunt down the beast” or something

[unborn rain]

That's what my pathfinder homebrew setting has. Was fun to show my players fucked up (like cosmically) stuff and be like "your characters view this as normal because reality is actually very slowly falling apart without god's"

[surreal basin]

And they just got rid of that line

[echo briar]

But how do you hint this in the prophecy?

And more importantly, when the idea is to leave it a mystery, why was hinting this ever considered?

[scenic patio]

Odd decision

[echo briar]

That comment alone makes me think its not them

[scenic patio]

It’s definitely sarenrae

[clever cobalt]

Also here's how Rovugug can still win

[limber comet]

Sarenrae gets eated

[surreal basin]

I don’t think it’s definitely Saranrae that’s gonna bite it tbh

[scenic patio]

Jean stealers

[surreal basin]

The prophecy that people have talked about is way more likely to be about Walkena imo

Who is literally supposed to be an avatar of the sun

[strange nest]

You know what, I’m just gonna play a Laughing Shadow Magus anyway and just pray that It pans out and I enjoy it and I can fulfill the character concept I wanted

[scenic patio]

Desna NOOO PLEASE

[surreal basin]

I don’t think any member of PR will die

[clever cobalt]

Can't the same be said of Saranrae. If not more?

[echo briar]

I thing Gorum is at least somewhat likely.

[clever cobalt]

She's the literal Sun God

[surreal basin]

Nah, imo

[warped orbit]

I don't think any of the PR members are gonna be the one to die

[surreal basin]

They wouldn’t make it so obvious

If she was who was gonna die

They wouldn’t have an AP end with “it’s this one”

[clever cobalt]

Walkena dying makes sense though

[echo briar]

I think Shelyn will dye

[clever cobalt]

He kinda has it coming tbh

[surreal basin]

Especially since he’s focused on in part of SOT as a like…. Kinda build up to something happening with him

[light gyro]

TRUE

[clever cobalt]

How so?

Haven't played SoT

[turbid dagger]

Its not definitely Sarenrae nah
But
Iunno
I can find it in my heart to belive that Paizo could wicked fumble a big metaplot thing like this

[unborn rain]

Walkena is a wacky dude who's sort of tied up narratively so killing him to clear space makes sense

[clever cobalt]

Yeah, fair

I'm just curious what happens in SoT specifically

[surreal basin]

||there’s a part where you go to his country and maybe convince him to be slightly less fucked about it, but there’s a lot of outcomes that seem to set up a rebellion against him||

[clever cobalt]

Aside from vaguely knowing he's an enemy in book... 4?

[turbid dagger]

Put the answer to that in spoilers please

[light gyro]

book 4 spoilers ||you can ascend a new sun god to eventually oppose him||

[turbid dagger]

Good!

Thank you all

[echo briar]

what if Paizo is becoming a co-op, and to announce this they kill Abadar?

[surreal basin]

So am I gonna have to buy this novel to learn which god actually does

*dies

Or do you think they’ll just say in WOI

[clever cobalt]

I'm probably buying the book regardless

But they're definitely says who dies in WoI

[limber comet]

They'll probably just say in WOI

[clever cobalt]

Actually aren't we learning in like

6 weeks

Who dies

[limber comet]

Also they're gonna announce it yeah

Probably with some more concrete details on the book

[clever cobalt]

Yeah

[surreal basin]

Oh I didn’t think they were actually gonna announce it at the end of this but fair enough

[clever cobalt]

Regardless I'm gonna guess the book ends where WoI begins

[turbid dagger]

Is War actually releasing at the end of this or is this just a countdown to the god guillotine announcement

[clever cobalt]

It releases in October

[turbid dagger]

I see
I haven't been paying much mind too it
I've been too focused on Howl lol

[clever cobalt]

Maybe November, I forgor

But yeah

[surreal basin]

Howl is in maaaay?

Yeah?

[strange nest]

I forgor is Nethys safe

[surreal basin]

No

[unborn rain]

It'd be sort of weird if they did a Prophecy for all but One core god death and then went "a mystery for who will die"

[strange nest]

Nethys dies which is why magic missile is called force barrage now

[surreal basin]

They’re only doing the prophecy for half of them

There’s gonna be a total of 10 of these articles

[clever cobalt]

And we're on 5

So 5 more weeks of Godsrain, then they announce it the week afterwadds

[echo briar]

Wait, if you take the first letters of all the gods they have reviled so far, it spells "Pacue", which is a piece of computing hardware.

And what God is the most like a computer? thats right, Nethys

[turbid dagger]

'hm, it seems to spell'
'R I P B O Z O'

[clever cobalt]

But yeah

I think the book will be the lead up to WoI

And War of Immortals takes place in the chaos after the God dies

[surreal basin]

My votes are still iomadae or rovagug

[clever cobalt]

Why Iomadae?

[surreal basin]

I feel like she’d the most impactful god that could die with out blowing up a bunch of ongoing plot lines

[echo briar]

I think Norgorber is a good outside pick. He knows enough secrets to start multiple wars

also, he has the most titles on AoN, which I think puts a target on his back

[unborn rain]

He knows enough secrets to stop lots of wars

Dead people can't tell tales famously

[echo briar]

Ah, but their notes can

Or some sort of deadman’s switch

[turbid dagger]

Lastwall is an iomedae thing right
Or would it be on theme to continue making Lastwall The Most Miserable Organization Ever

[clever cobalt]

Somewhat

Its also an ||Arazni|| thing

[turbid dagger]

Two major releases down the line they're just going to be hitting zombies with sticks

[surreal basin]

Which guess whose becoming core

[echo briar]

Ah, but they’ve made it very clear Arazni isn’t inheriting the dead gods stuff

[surreal basin]

I mean yeah but

That’s not what I was saying

[turbid dagger]

Yeah she was saying that Arazni can still support lastwall even if iomedae bites it

[surreal basin]

But also idk how much I trust lastwall to stay functioning even with their support

[light gyro]

i fucked up and forgot breath weapons recharge WOOPS

its fine i think they'll make it

[solar tendon]

I think all the sarenrae/PR stuff is hard teasing

and every time it happens I think it's even less likely she'll die

[limber comet]

I'm the god that dies

It's like the Garfield boob reduction comic

[light gyro]

the wizard just naruto'd me

[frank crystal]

Hmm, duel class ruffian rogue giant barbarian would go kinda hard

[strange nest]

any particular synergies peak your interest?

Unrelated but I also want to say draw the lightning is cool

[frank crystal]

Just thinking in terms of adding as much damage as I can

Because ruffians main weakness is the limit on their damage due to the damage die shenanigans

But giant barb has the best flat damage in the game (minus maybe kineticist vs an enemy with a big weakness)

So it kinda adds a lot with a little effort

[barren cipher]

it's hard not to pick fighter

[solar tendon]

this is why the rules recommend not allowing martial/martial dual classing haha

[frank crystal]

I mean maybe but also if I’m playing with a dual class I kinda expect the game to be a bit super high power

So like, I think it’s fine imo

[solar tendon]

it does equally recommend just tuning up the enemies tbf yeah

mostly I was responding to Pilcrow's sentiment

[trail nova]

And like... double Casters get to just spam higher level spells.

[solar tendon]

it's the difference between getting to do full power stuff more often and just reaching a whole new level of power that you get doing martial/martial

[barren cipher]

also rogue magus would be good for a chuckle if you like big numbers

[solar tendon]

taller vs wider

...does make me wonder how dual class but if you dual class two spellcasters instead of getting all of both spells you like...add them together and get the next rank of spells 2 levels early would go

as in if you would get a level 4 slot from both classes you instead get one level 5 slot

[clever cobalt]

Just got to Chapter 3 of Book 2 of Season of Ghosts

found out ||We're in a timeloop||

[barren cipher]

i’ve only looked at it from the monster side but for them having oversized spell slots is overwhelming

click button, encounter over kinda stuff

[thorny berry]

there's also kinda the hidden third tier above caster/caster and below martial/martial that are specifically set up to, like, make a full-power third-action attack after a spell

like at the end of the day dual class just massively raises the amount of difference that optimization makes

and the optimization it rewards is benefiting from more of your class features per action/turn

the best caster/caster combo would probably incorporate something like infinite eye psychic that's good at making use of single actions

grabbing a divine font full of one action heals

etc

[strange nest]

Yeah

Its all about how the pieces fit together

[barren cipher]

there are a lot of worse turns than 3x one action heal/harm

[strange nest]

Charged Javelin domain spell combined with primal or arcane lightning spells 🤔

can you zap yourself with chain lightning?

Cause if you were crazy enough to do so, you could proc bottle the storm and immediately redirect as a reaction if it’s 7th level or higher

[heavy fulcrum]

hmm, you can choose to target yourself, though im not sure its particularly useful

[turbid dagger]

The Dual Class I want to try the most is def Summoner/Martial

[limber comet]

A summoner martial seems really interesting

Striding into battle with your STAND

Though realistically it's more like Astral Chain

[turbid dagger]

The idea that keeps turning over in my head is Paladin Champ/Devotion Phantom
If either of you get hit pain is coming

[limber comet]

The counter machine

[strange nest]

The two phantom eidolons are real cool

[tough perch]

that one feels paticularly unsynergistic to me, since you share MAP with you eidolon

even getting tandem strike, that's just lvl6 dual slice

like, doing dual class you definitely can do better

[frank crystal]

I think it just relies on the right eidolon and class tbh

[tough perch]

though you also can definitely do worse, magus summoner is just action economy hell

[frank crystal]

Like Namoeleon mentioned champion devotion phantom kinda fucks together

Punish the enemy no matter who they hit

Also you can grab something like dragon to get access to a good non attack action eidolon

[strange nest]

Monk or rogue archetype with a focus on being extra slippery could be funny, but probably not that strong

[ocean cobalt]

the clearest thing i can think of is summoner/rogue for the "be your own flanking buddy" shit but that doesn't seem like a particularly good reward, all things considered

actually mounted summoner/magus could be something

you get a bunch of free movement which boosts magus and you get a bunch of spell slots which boosts summoner

[frank crystal]

I’ve been wanting to make a monk rogue for a bit now

[strange nest]

Oh I was talking about a Summoner with monk or rogue dedication, but monk rogue is cool

the classic ninja multiclass

[frank crystal]

Ohhh

[strange nest]

It’s probably just a meme, but the idea is you just hide or stay out of reach all combat and let your eidolon and any extra summons do all the work

the lazy Summoner

[light gyro]

lazy summoner expert Stand user

[strange nest]

wtf is tandem strike

I just realized It’s two actions

[frank crystal]

I mean yah it’s like double slice

One of the best feats in the game

It’s not good but that’s because summoners don’t have good weapon proficiencies

If they did tandem strike would be crazy with their already improved action economy

[warped orbit]

Metastrikes generally either let you cheat MAP or they save actions

[frank crystal]

Yah, twin takedown is the save an action dual weapon mega strike

Double slice/tandem strike save on MAP

[warped orbit]

But yeah Tandem Strike is still held back by the fact Summoner doesn't have good Strikes

[frank crystal]

Yah otherwise it’d just be twin slice with an eidolon instead of your own weapon

[warped orbit]

You tend to be better off with something like cantrip+Eidolon Strike (from Act Together)

[frank crystal]

Which means you could use a great weapon, have a free hand or something like a staff and still use double slice well

[frank crystal]

Or just doing 2 eidolon attacks+boost eidolon

[silver geyser]

Having the options with Act Together is already great.

[frank crystal]

Yah

Act together just has a lot of things to think about

[light gyro]

dont tell anyone but i snuck into the paizo offices and lifted concept art of the thing that ate erastil

[clever cobalt]

:0!

[fierce gulch]

What a cruel and evil looking caterpillar

[fossil temple]

Ah finally
Religious literature for the new lore

[strange nest]

I think I forgot how to find games

been way too long since I’ve played lol

[sinful gyro]

The pf2e discord is good for games

[limber comet]

Ughgghh

Tian Xia can't be here soon enough

[fossil temple]

For awakened animals?

[unborn rain]

Awakened animals are coming in howl not Tian Xia

[fossil temple]

dang

[limber comet]

Lol?

No I just like learning about Golarion

Also Minkai is in the Meiji Restoration era pog

[rapid wagon]

is a champion of irori better represented by a champion class or a monk?

[limber comet]

I mean, you could argue both, but probably monk

[barren cipher]

monk with champ archetype works great

that said almost anything with champ archetype works great

[fossil temple]

...psycher champ?

honestly the heavy armor alone is so good

[rapid wagon]

can you play champion as a fuill fugilist?

[fossil temple]

https://2e.aonprd.com/Archetypes.aspx?ID=209 this archetype helps you be a pugilist with almost any class

[turbid dagger]

I'm excited for Tian Xia too
We're doing Season Of Ghosts and I'm doing Twisting Tree but if the new hybrid study works with a Bo Staff I'm likely to ask my GM pretty please to do that swap

[fossil temple]

I have so many characters at lv8 just ready for action you have no idea

https://pathbuilder2e.com/launch.html?build=688871 the latest one i did was fun, ghoul melee with position control

[limber comet]

Looking at Magus+...Flinging Figments focuses on thrown weapons

I wonder if...

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-jjba-anime-smile-golden-teeth-gif-16338698

[frank crystal]

Magus+?

[turbid dagger]

A third party book of Magus stuff
The folks behind it are called Team+ because they do tons of books like that

[warped orbit]

waiting for Gunslinger+

[clever cobalt]

Speaking of classes, I can't wait for the Exemplar final version

Wonder what they're gonna change about it

[frank crystal]

Oh neat

[warped orbit]

Magus+ also has a gun focused Hybrid Study AFAIK

[clever cobalt]

And a martial arts one

[clever cobalt]

I wish we had better guns tbh >_>

Or at least more interesting ones

[surreal basin]

I'm working on some guns from my setting!

they're like air repeaters that get to keep fatal

with the trade off being they all have cobbled/something that works like it

basically just magic revolvers and lever actions that use nitroglycerin instead of gunpowder

might make an archetype for using them that's not centered around reloading shenanigans

since that's basically 90% of current gun stuff

Maybe like an agile warrior fighter kinda deal

[limber comet]

Whenever someone says nitroglycerin I hear Vinny from Atlantis in my head

[silver geyser]

I'd rather have gunpoweder than nitroglycerin.

That shit's unstable.

[barren cipher]

that sounds like coward talk

(i am also a coward)

[turbid dagger]

I hear the weird exposition dude from the first episode of the Baki anime
'NEETOROGOLYCERIN'

[surreal basin]

Oh yeah that’s the point though

Is that the people who made the advanced guns haven’t invented gunpowder

[clever cobalt]

Isn't this the base idea for Outlaws of Alkenstar

[surreal basin]

So they have to use a semi-unstable magical compound instead

[clever cobalt]

Someone invents Dynamite and completely changes the dynamic of the city

[warped orbit]

So it looks like Dual Weapon Reload is getting changed

[clever cobalt]

How so?

[warped orbit]

The wording mentioned during a stream was

"Whenever you would Interact to Reload, you can Reload 2 weapons, one in each hand."

And this does apparently work with special reloads like Slinger reloads

Which if that happens is gonna be big for dual pistol builds

Paired Shots actually usable

[frank crystal]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Also wait where is this getting changed?

Because gunslinger isn’t being remastered

[warped orbit]

In PC2 supposedly, with some errata for Guns&Gears

[frank crystal]

Huh

Also legitimately that’s huge for double pistol builds

[warped orbit]

Also they mentioned a new capstone feat for Monks, Grappling focused, called God Breaker
But no specifics on what it does

[frank crystal]

That’s gonna change so much the math

[frank crystal]

Oh that sounds sick

Can’t wait to poach it with wrestler

[thorny berry]

holy moly

that's a massive dual firearm buff

and honestly a great sign of they're willing to do that sort of thing for gunslinger because more than a few ways could use it

[frank crystal]

Wait how’s that gonna affect drifter though?

Rn my gunslinger player uses it as a means to reload with both hands filled

[warped orbit]

As long as it keeps the clause about being usable with your hands full, that should work still

But we'll need to see the final wording

[frank crystal]

I guess he’d just use a normal reload action instead

[warped orbit]

Does at least open up other reloads to Drifter

Like Running Reload

[frank crystal]

I mean running still needs a free hand doesn’t it?

[thorny berry]

not if you take dual weapon reload now

I think?

[warped orbit]

Like I said, I'd assume it let's those reloads work with full hands

Because it kinda has to

As long as you're holding weapons at least

But we'll need to see

[limber comet]

POG

We need more crazy capstones

The Fists of the Ruby Phoenix capstones should be commonplace

[frank crystal]

Yah fair

[thorny berry]

interesting for it to be grapple focused since there's like

[frank crystal]

It probably will specify not needing a free hand

Because otherwise the feat doesn’t work

[thorny berry]

at least three classes in strong contention for best grappler

[frank crystal]

Fighter, Barb, Monk?

[thorny berry]

swash

[frank crystal]

Oh yah athlete

[barren cipher]

derring do is bonkers iirc

[frank crystal]

God I wish you didn’t need dex for swash

[warped orbit]

Purely numerically, Gymnast is the best I think

[thorny berry]

and also secretly though I have not yet had the opportunity to play it there's heavy synergy between grappling and evil champ

[warped orbit]

Derring Do is just really good

[thorny berry]

to make them actually deal with you and trigger your reaction rather than just kinda ignoring you

[frank crystal]

I wanna make a gymnast but also I don’t wanna have to do dex+strength

[thorny berry]

and also use your MAP to generate panache

[warped orbit]

Though Barb is also close with the one feat that gives a bonus to Athletics in Rage

[frank crystal]

I mean ideally you force the enemies to acknowledge you by hitting them

If you’re a source of damage you’ll eventually need to be acknowledged

Because otherwise you’ll kill them

[thorny berry]

I mean

numerically below other martials because your Thing is having legendary defenses and so on instead of a damage feature

so rip if you're protecting an investigator or something

[frank crystal]

I mean that’s kinda fair

[frank crystal]

Yah I never thought of that

[barren cipher]

i thought the point of evil champ reactions was to make them ignore you?

[frank crystal]

Gymnast is the only one that needs to spend a resource besides actions to generate panache

[warped orbit]

No you want them to trigger

Which is another slight issue with the evil reactions

[limber comet]

I like Cha Swash bc it just fits with the class concept in my head

But I'm not a build guy I just like what seems fun

[warped orbit]

Enemies aren't really encouraged to attack an evil Champ much

[thorny berry]

strong same

but then every time I look I just kinda go eh I could play scoundrel instead

[limber comet]

You could

But also

No :]

I could play rogue, but

Swash fun

[frank crystal]

I like swash a lot

[limber comet]

There's no bad class choice

Suboptimal sure

But not bad

[limber comet]

Wizard+ and Summoner+ are probably my most anticipated ngl

Hoping for the Aberration Eidolon

Hoping for Thesis feats

[thorny berry]

I would formulate an argument against this but my ancestor roll says I can't do skill checks this round 😔

(I actually love ancestor oracle I hope it gets buffed)

[turbid dagger]

That is insane
Also
G&G errata in PC2??????
I am going to set my expectations low

[limber comet]

It's most likely going to get buffed yeah

[thorny berry]

possibly backdoored in via dual weapon warrior rather than G&G errata proper but who knows

[worthy stump]

yeah, looking forward to seeing what kinda love oracle and alchemist get in PC2

[limber comet]

Champion is also getting love

[thorny berry]

I think if I were to call my shot on ancestor oracle specifically, independent of whatever class-wide change

I'd probably just guess the failure chance becomes a status penalty or something

and martial prof

maybe nudging some of the benefit numbers

[limber comet]

I'm excited for Oracles++

Plague Oracle time

Just a nasty icky guy/gal/nonbinary pal

[surreal basin]

What are good low level items to give a Wizard and a Thaum

Separate characters to be clear

But the rogue/cleric has been delegated the lions share of the loot and I need to spread the love

[thorny berry]

tough to say for thaum just because they can build in so many different directions

[barren cipher]

staves, wands and scrolls are enduringly popular

[surreal basin]

They’re a mirror thaum with a bastard sword

And the Barb dedication

[thorny berry]

huh, interesting

[surreal basin]

Yeah

Turns out

Rage doesn’t stop you from doing like

90% of thaum stuff

[thorny berry]

I'm honestly not sure of much offhand besides, like, the kinds of things they're already buying anyway or utility items that are good on anyone

[barren cipher]

do they have their skill items and fundamental runes and stuff?

[surreal basin]

They’re level 3, they don’t have any fundementals

[thorny berry]

demon mask is cute on any cha class if they're intimidation-trained

but I guess that's 4 and not 3

[barren cipher]

they should have +1 potency no?

i think you can give +1 striking now

they should have a couple of +1 striking weapons by the time they hit 4th

[surreal basin]

A couple????

That’s never been my experience lol

[barren cipher]

yeah

[surreal basin]

They do have potency crystals tho

No yeah u right

Theres a smoking sword in this dungeon

Maybe I’ll throw him a +1 striking thing to take the runes off of

aright

I've added a + 1 striking flail in an optional area, and a +1 spear in a less hidden place

[turbid dagger]

Runed simple weapon
I trust your judgement tho

I guess they can pull it off if there's seriously no one interested

[solar storm]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/1b99vmh/important_change_coming_to_dual_weapon_reload_in/

Not sure if this was posted - but this looks nice

[surreal basin]

yeah i expect them to but the wizard can also use it if they want

it's mostly a spear for flavor

since it's on the body of an ancient soldier

also spears aren't bad

and added a bunch of scrolls to an anti-undead stash for stuff like blazing bolt, burning blade, and sure strike

[strange nest]

Realized the breaching pike is kinda neat, it’s the only one handed reach spear and it completes the physical damage trifecta of the the D6 reach one handers

plus you can use it to replicate phase 2 Sword Saint Isshin from Sekiro

[surreal basin]

What’s the bludgeoning one

[thorny berry]

the physical training regimen at gnomish orphanages

(flickmace)

[surreal basin]

Oh right yeah

I was gonna use breaching spear but idk if the hobgoblin part makes sense

[thorny berry]

razing feels like a weird choice for a piercing weapon 🤔

oh well, whatever

[eager mountain]

https://youtu.be/lxGl5IB4juA

[eager mountain]

oh hey Amieko kaijutsu is still around as dragon empress

[surreal basin]

Still maybe married to an anonymous 1e pc

[turbid dagger]

Thankfully Breaching Pike seems supremely easy to reflavor
Its Just A Spear

[surreal basin]

Fair enough

[turbid dagger]

Wait
Is there an AP where a party member getting married is a plot point

[surreal basin]

Well, it’s a thing that happens if you romance her in the 1e AP where you take her from Sandpoint to Goka

[turbid dagger]

Oh I see I see

[light gyro]

one of my players last session mentioned they were crafting a phylactery. i was very confused til i realised that i saw pf has a magic item based on an actual phylactery - as in a tefillin

https://old.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/1b99vmh/important_change_coming_to_dual_weapon_reload_in/

[clever cobalt]

What reason might a Mana Wastes Fleshwarped come to Absalom?

I know Absalom has some natives from distant locals, like the Crown of the World, but still

[unborn rain]

Why does anyone move to Absalom

[clever cobalt]

City at the Center of the world!

IIRC it's the biggest city in Golarion and has a lot of stuff going on there

[unborn rain]

Maybe to get away from the impossible lands which are all terrible places to live, especially as a fleshwarp

Like Alkansters mega racist against mutants, Geb is Geb, in Nex a Wizard will try to do something to you

Take a boat to Absalom where it is diverse enough that you won't neccicerally stick out as much

[clever cobalt]

Fair

makes sense

[fast hill]

making a Champion of Shelyn

they're gonna be a dex champion who uses the aldori dueling sword

paladin is kind of cracked actually

Was gonna make them a liberator

[unborn rain]

Paladin is really cool but it comes at the cost having to play someone with Cop tendancies

[fast hill]

yeah

[fast hill]

how can I make up for the lack of damage?

no strength, so I'm not going to have good damage

unless I drop my constitution for strength

[worthy stump]

Hmmm. Not that much that can help with that, sadly. Archetype wise, you’ve got Thaum, Barbarian, Swash, and Rogue to help add damage

Later on, getting some extra damage runes on your weapon will help too

[fast hill]

swash is a good idea

but I also need to take aldori duelist

[worthy stump]

Ah, right

Well, uhhh… buy potency crystals then, that’s the only thing I can think of for low level content

[fast hill]

oh it's like level 10 but I want like all the aldori duelist feats 😭

[worthy stump]

Ahhh

Okay, in that case my suggestions stand, haha

[fast hill]

I can take ancient elf to get swash done with earlier

[worthy stump]

Try and get one of the elemental damage runes like Frost or Flaming then. They’re level 9, bit expensive, but the extra dice go a long way

[fossil temple]

Hope he goes beyond "Custom magic items" that i felt on the playtest.

[fast hill]

the real skill feats were the feats we made along the way

(I know all)

[frank crystal]

Such a knowledgeable fellow

[light gyro]

your adventurer would make some amazing video essays

[fast hill]

I think I'm leaning away from the champion-ness of the character idea

[fast hill]

LMFAO

The best Aldoli Swordlord you've NEVER heard of

https://2e.aonprd.com/Archetypes.aspx?ID=54

[fast hill]

hmmm

im taking ancient elf and gonna do swashbuckler instead of champion I think

champion is cool but swashbuckler just fits the best

[barren cipher]

that is probably the play

swash with champ dedication is a way better dex champ than a dex champ

[fast hill]

swash gets extra skill feats...

oh yeah...

[warped orbit]

Three extra ones, but yeah

Has to be for your subclass skill or Acrobatics though

[fast hill]

ahhhh

damn

[frank crystal]

Does Swash have the rogue/investigator skill progression?

[light gyro]

nope, they alternate skill feat/skill increase

(and then a limited skill feat selection but fewer then investigator)

[solar tendon]

swash don't get any extra skill increases no

it's one of the annoying things about them

they should really be like inventor and get at least one progressing skill

or like thaumaturge and esoteric lore

I think they're the only class with a hard skill requirement that doesn't get any help towards improving that skill

[warped orbit]

They should get at minimum auto Acrobatics progression IMO

And probably their Style skill too

[frank crystal]

Are there any magic items that add like, extra damage to unarmed attacks?

Elemental damage I mean

Besides the burning and electric dunes

[light gyro]

axiomatic rune :^)
maybe there's some talismans you could look into

[frank crystal]

Holy shit extra lawful damage

That’s insane!!!?!!!?!!

Punch them with a book

[frank crystal]

Also yah talismans are probably the way to go

[unborn rain]

Lawful Damage isnt very good because it only effects Chaotic beings, it also doesnt exist anymore

[frank crystal]

Yah I was joking

1d6 Lawful damage at level 11 seems pretty bad

[unborn rain]

It's definetly more of a flavour thing

For like "I love killing Daemons" type characters

[frank crystal]

Yah

Also now that it probably just does spirit damage it’s probably a lot better

Spirit is actually a decent damage type

[unborn rain]

I assume all the alignment things are gonna be like condensed into a like Spirit rune

[frank crystal]

Probably

[unborn rain]

Unless there's like Infernal damage? For Hell and stuff

[frank crystal]

I think it’s just spirit damage

[light gyro]

spirit, with holy/unholy as modifiers iirc

[solar tendon]

there's some damage type ones you can use depending on stance I think

like wounding if you get a piercing or slashing stance

[frank crystal]

Ah right

[frank crystal]

I’m going wolf so I could

[solar tendon]

or better yet

serrating

so you can have...chainsaw fingers???

https://2e.aonprd.com/Equipment.aspx?ID=519

[silver geyser]

Yessss

Or Chainsaw Claws

Time to make Gigan

[silver geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-hate-you-gigan-gif-13834089

[solar tendon]

it's a while before you really get to the damage property runes though

[frank crystal]

Also ngl, with monk I do kinda feel like wounding is better then serrating

Just because unless I’m making a one inch punch build I’m attacking a bit to much for the extra serrating action to be worth it

And by then I’d just prefer one of the elemental damage runes

[solar tendon]

fair

yeah for sure

[silver geyser]

Could be fun for the Armored Lizardfolk Inventor

[frank crystal]

Oh yah this seems like

Tailor made for a heavy weapon inventor

Flavor and mechanics wise

You already have megaton

[solar tendon]

Outlaws of Alkenstar! (colourised)

(that's just a little joke cause they're painted now)

[frank crystal]

Oh sweet

Is this your game’s party?

[solar tendon]

yupp

[frank crystal]

That’s rad

[solar tendon]

triggerbrand - dragonbarb - inventor

(construct in the background)

[frank crystal]

Oh I assumed it was an automaton player

[solar tendon]

too lorge

[frank crystal]

Oh yah true

[solar tendon]

is fleshwarp - ant gnoll - dorf

@candid shard lookit my dorf

[frank crystal]

Oh they’re a gun inventor

[solar tendon]

no they just have a gun

for shooting

[frank crystal]

Oh yah they’re a construct inventor

[solar tendon]

they got it when they were a baby for dorf reasons

[frank crystal]

Oh neat

[unborn rain]

If you punch a robot with lightning it dies

[candid shard]

Nice

[solar tendon]

(good to know when you are a lightning dragon barb)

[unborn rain]

Playing unnarmed really gives you so much money to spend

especially compared to a trigger brand who has to spend like upwards of 80% of their starting gold on their weapon

[solar tendon]

our gunslinger is flat broke just buying armour gun and lockpicks lol

literally 100% of their starting money

[frank crystal]

Oh you’re an unarmed dragon barb?

That’s fun

Are you grabbing a martial artist stance?

[unborn rain]

No, sticking with Gnoll bite

[frank crystal]

Oh neat

Also wait are you a small gnoll?

[solar tendon]

ye!

[unborn rain]

Although I have taken Monk stance and am using Ki spells because my Gm is very nice

[unborn rain]

Ant Gnoll, very good for crime campaign

[frank crystal]

Neat

[unborn rain]

They get a bonus to convincing people they're innocent of stuff

[frank crystal]

Pull the “I’m just a little guy!” Card

[unborn rain]

Mostly playing them though because I wanted to play someone very small and angry, and love Gnolls

[frank crystal]

Gnolls are pretty cool

[solar tendon]

I actually don't think draig has played a non gnoll character in pf2e

apart from premades

cause she ran every other time we've played

[unborn rain]

Don't need to

(I did play a human cleric in the thing with simplified character creation)

[solar tendon]

oh right beginner box

[frank crystal]

I should probably start designing some baddies my players are gonna find soon

[clever cobalt]

Gnolls are cool

🥺

[fossil temple]

...why he has those hips, dawg

[clever cobalt]

Why not

[silver geyser]

Cyborg Chicken has to have thighs, obviously

[fossil temple]

Answer is good

Now to roll that charisma...
ROLL diplomacy to ask it for a cup of coffee!
Rolls
I GOT A TWO

[frank crystal]

What do you think would be a good name for a lizardfolk gunslinger?

[fossil temple]

Slim jim

or Slick

[silver geyser]

Rango

[frank crystal]

Ah fuck Rango would be good

Though honestly now I just wanna name him Ringo

[fossil temple]

do it

[clever cobalt]

Speaking of

I'm kinda in the mood for Alkenstar again

[frank crystal]

Gonna name him Rocio “Ringo” Aguilar

[rustic cape]

So the Monster Core is on its way

Pretty exciting

[frank crystal]

Nice!

[fossil temple]

G O O D

[frank crystal]

I’ve got my Hispanic dragon lizardfolk

And NO ONE CAN STOP ME

[echo briar]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2693730/Dawnsbury_Days/

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We have a PF2 video game

[turbid dagger]

ITS OUT???????????????

[echo briar]

I’m impressed kinetisist is base game lol

[barren cipher]

there's also, uh

[turbid dagger]

They did a ton of patreon feature polls during dev iirc

[barren cipher]

quest for the golden candelabrum

which is free from presumably the same devs

[turbid dagger]

Yeah, I played that! Its wicked fun, and the reason I'm excited for DD

[warped orbit]

oh nice

I should actually check this one out

Candelabrum was a bit too short for me from what I heard

[surreal basin]

This is also only like 4 hours per attempt

[clever cobalt]

Oh nice

Is this licensed, if that isn't a dumb question?

[tough perch]

likee in the sense that it is officially paizo licensed? i believe it isnt

it's licensed through OGL

so no golarion

[candid shard]

I mean it would be ORC now

Not ogl

[heavy fulcrum]

actually it could be OGL, because PF2 was released under that and Paizo can't revoke it

[tough perch]

If they use the remaster rules, otherwise it's OGL

the steampage specifies OGL

[strange nest]

what if instead of OGL it was called the CGL for Closed Game License

that would be wacky

[unborn rain]

What if instead of the OGL it was callled the ORK

[thorny berry]

iirc it's OGL because it's been under development for a long time

[tough perch]

i mean wotc did try to turn it from Open Game License to Our Game License

[solar tendon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/1b9zhiq/michael_sayre_makes_a_correction_about_dual/

the dual weapon reload thing was a misspeak

[frank crystal]

FUCK

[solar tendon]

the point was actually just that it stacks with all other reloads now because it's a buff to reloading itself

and not its own action

but combination weapons might get a change to reflect the fact that swapping weapons is now one action for everyone

and new ones are likely to be more like the recent ones in that at least one half will be a decent martial weapon

[warped orbit]

kinda expected this

[turbid dagger]

I am excited to see combo weapon changes

[warped orbit]

still a good and necessary change though

[solar tendon]

given pathfinder society banned a feat that let you do it and required a skill check yeah

[warped orbit]

wait is Ostentatious Reload restricted in PFS?

it's not even that reliable

[solar tendon]

yuuup

[barren cipher]

meanwhile acknowledge fan is just there

looking at you

[trail nova]

... wtf. Stunned 1 on a success, stunned 2 on a fail?

[barren cipher]

it's fine, it has incapacitation so you can't use it on just everyone

oh wait, it doesn't have incapacitation so you can use it on just everyone

[trail nova]

God, PFS balancing is a joke.

[clever cobalt]

https://downloads.paizo.com/SevenDoomsforSandpoint_PlayersGuide.pdf

Seven Dooms of Sandpoint PG is out

[scenic patio]

This looks very fun

[sinful gyro]

The "Your First Adventure" bit is fun

It's basically a quick way to simulate your first 3 levels cos you start at level 4

[warped orbit]

wait what?
how is Acknowledge Fan like the one feat from Firebrands they didn't restrict

[thorny berry]

did they hit the 'tumble to double your speed' thing or whatever it was

[barren cipher]

yeah, that went

[thorny berry]

honestly acknowledge fan not receiving actual errata nerfs at this point is wacky

[barren cipher]

i don't even know what to do with it

i think it'd still be pretty good with incap

[frank crystal]

Is there a gas mask or rebreather item?

Like something that protects your lungs?

[barren cipher]

uhhh yes

https://2e.aonprd.com/Equipment.aspx?ID=1397

[frank crystal]

Plague masks there it is

[barren cipher]

also https://2e.aonprd.com/Equipment.aspx?ID=2565

[frank crystal]

It is kinda funny how it basically says if you only want a plague mask for the aesthetic it’s cheaper to just buy a fine mask without the filters

[frank crystal]

Wait a mouth covering mask is called a gaiter mask?

Huh

Honestly kinda weird to me that there’s no simple axes

When axes always seemed like a very classic like, random people with no training uses them as weapon’s because they’ve just got them lying around kinda weapon

[clever cobalt]

historically yeha

surpried Hatchet isn't simple

though I think I know why

[frank crystal]

Yah mechanically it’s definitely strong enough to warrant martial

But it really feels like a simple weapon

It’s just a hatchet

[clever cobalt]

yeah

[frank crystal]

I own one and I don’t think of it as a weapon

It’s just a potentially dangerous tool

[solar tendon]

yeah the weapon categories dont really work

[frank crystal]

I’m still annoyed that a meteor hammer is martial and there still exist advanced swords

Like, the meteor hammer is famously one of the most difficult weapons to use

I don’t care how weird your sword is it’s easier to use

[barren cipher]

i think that actually doing someone in with an axe, especially someone armed who is trying to do you in first, is probably a lot harder than with a sword

i’ve split a lot of wood and owned a few axes and i bet i’d be a lot shittier in a fight with one than with an arming sword or something even though i’ve barely held one

[frank crystal]

I guess that’s fair but also there is the idea of like, axes people use as tools and the axes used as weapons

Which are definitely a lot better as weapons then the tools

And probably easier to use as weapons too

[frank crystal]

How would y’all say is a good way to describe a nonlethal attack with a firearm?

Because I can’t do the classic leg shot because that doesn’t really knock people out

It just immobilizes them

[scenic patio]

🤔 close range pistol whip? Long range character goes into medical shock

[turbid dagger]

I would honestly say arm or leg still

And 'unconcious' is just them going 'aiieeeee argh owchhh' on the ground for the remainder of the fight

[thorny berry]

yeah like at a certain point you just

[frank crystal]

Making dying from poison damage noises

[thorny berry]

turn towards your players and go 'hey among the priorities for these mechanics was not the most specific possible simulation of medical science'

[frank crystal]

Honestly fair

Yah just, hitting a knee or something

[surreal basin]

so

my pc told another pc off for blindly following acachek's orders and not taking responsiblity for their actions

and I made this

after

[frank crystal]

God I forgot about that image

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/tonight-doom-gif-19873326

[strange nest]

mmm pathfinder yummy

Alchemist food eating build

Isn’t giving Alchemist martial class weapon proficiency scaling (Expert at 5, specialization at 7, master at 13, greater specialization at 15) a fairly common houserule

[tough perch]

i have not heard of it

[light gyro]

Nah they just need to mutagen up like geraldo witcher

[warped orbit]

Giving them regular proficiency would be something, but wouldn't ultimately help Alchi that much

They need more fundamental changes IMO

[strange nest]

Oh yeah, It’s been a while since I really checked them out

Don’t they particularly struggle with quick alchemy action econ jank and having a bunch of feats reliant on using QA to make lower level items

[solar tendon]

quick alchemy isn't really any more jank than drawing items in general

and the qa feats are more for progressing items in between different levels

like alchemists fire doesn't change itself between level 3 and level 11

a lot of people do find drawing items jank to be clear; but I don't agree that it's an alchemist problem

[warped orbit]

it's mostly the features that let you make multiple items at once that are awkard

since you need to use them all the same round

[solar tendon]

what features

[warped orbit]

Double Brew and Alchemical Alacrity

Alacrity mostly

[solar tendon]

I mean

[warped orbit]

the hand economy and using all of them in time can get awkward, so it's not really that useful of a thing mostly

but that one is not that big a deal

[solar tendon]

you kinda just need to take enduring alchemy if you want to use those better yeah

[warped orbit]

a bigger issue for Alchi is the tension between Quick Alchemy and Advanced Alchemy

especially since Powerful Alchemy only applies to stuff you make with Quick Alchemy

so you have to choose between actually getting more uses out of your item, or having scaling DC

[solar tendon]

but like once you're on double brew you have perpetual potency

[warped orbit]

they should also get some form of Perpetual or other at-will option earlier IMO

[solar tendon]

I think the main problem is that like

the skill gap on alchemist is wild

and it's balanced around optimal play where it's easily one of the best classes in the game

and then the problem is that like the options are so unbalanced

like poisoner needs powerful alchemy just to do stuff. bomber needs to spend way more reagents. and then mutagenist has neither problem and just laughs to the bank

so if you give them all better reagent economy suddenly mutagenist is too good

[warped orbit]

I don't know whether I'd say one of the best, but yeah the class is fine if played correctly
I just think it's too much effort to get there currently

it just has so much jank to deal with and requires too much system mastery to function properly
and also needs your allies to cooperate with you and actually use your stuff

[strange nest]

The quick alchemy to make 2 items that you need to use immediately is pretty jank

[solar tendon]

for sure < @ alaen

[solar tendon]

it's just bittersweet cause alchemist probably isn't gonna be interesting to it's current fans if it gets completely reworked

even if that's ultimately better for the game

and then like there isn't any other class that does it so

[warped orbit]

that is also valid yeah

but conversely I just don't know if the class currently gives the play experience most people are looking for when they pick it

[solar tendon]

but in any case I think a lot of the thing commonly believed about alchemist just aren't true

and that's really my point here lol

like yeah double brew is a problem you gotta solve. other classes don't have to solve it because they straight up can't do anything like it

so I don't really agree that's jank

excepting quick draw thrower stuff but yeah

(conveniently ignoring alchemical alacrity cause that is niche lol but its still just more options)

[warped orbit]

I mostly think Alchi could use more QoL
let Powerful Alchemy and Additives work on stuff you made with Advanced Alchemy
give them more feats to make unique changes to alchemical items
make it a little easier to draw and/or apply their items to allies

[solar tendon]

I think tbh drawing items can probably just be a free thing if you use the item

and then balance quick alchemy to be like once per turn free action

[warped orbit]

more fundamentally I think tying a whole class to consumables you can also just acquire otherwise was a mistake, but that's unlikely to change now

[solar tendon]

in line with that

[warped orbit]

also I do think they either need better weapon options, or some kind of cantrip equivalent

[solar tendon]

almost like simple/martial is obselete as a game mechanic yeah sfjgdjsfhj

cause yeah I used ancestral weaponry to get around that

[warped orbit]

I'd rather they just get access to some kind of bomb perpetual early, to give them something thematic to do

[solar tendon]

it's kinda funny

cause in 1e alchemist was basically just the simple caster in a way

like you basically had an attack spell (bombs) and a big buff spell (mutagen) pre budgeted

[warped orbit]

1e Alchi was a self buff machine

[solar tendon]

as guide rail type thing

and now in 2e it's the opposite

[warped orbit]

throw bombs, or go Vivisectionist and shred people

[solar tendon]

I think the other thing is that like. that skill ceiling is why alchemist can actually be good while a lot of other classes that are considered like janky

are just putting a lot of effort in to still be kinda worse

not to a problematic level overall

but yeah

so the worry is that alchemist gets reworked and while it's a lot harder to fuck up even if you play it well you still may as well be playing a bard or a fighter

not that a class being harder to play necessarily means it deserves to be more powerful

but it's just a big tension the game has atm

[silver geyser]

I'm sad that Alchemist got robbed of its 2e hat of weakness exploiting machine (thank you bombs)

[warped orbit]

I find weaknesses still too niche to really be a full consideration

There just aren't really that many creatures with weaknesses still

[clever cobalt]

I mean, Thaum, though they also make weaknesses if there isn't already one

[warped orbit]

Yeah that's why Thaum has Personal Antithesis

[barren cipher]

i think ability to exploit weaknesses seems strong because a lot of the things with notable weaknesses also have decent resistances

[solar tendon]

hm

[barren cipher]

the difference between a battleaxe and a firebomb is 7 damage on a level 1 amoeba swarm

[solar tendon]

scatter gun thaumaturge

[warped orbit]

It's funny yeah

Dragon mouth pistol is 1h

[solar tendon]

clearly there just needs to be an allergen bomb that triggers a minor weakness on all monsters

[strange nest]

Alchemist is neat I like bombs

[frank crystal]

Oh god shooting my entire lined up level 3 party with a lightning bolt was a bad fucking idea

[unborn rain]

TPK or just big hurt?

If just big hurt, it's simply a important lesson in spacing

If TPK, a even more important lesson in spacing

[frank crystal]

2 were immediately knocked down and the rest heavily injured

[barren cipher]

oh dear

yeah big monsters do that sometimes

[turbid dagger]

Was it at least a trap and not an enemy that can now do cleanup

I've done the 'narrow hallway line ambush' before but
A: It was heaviy foreshadowed and somewhat avoidable
B: It was with a line that caused a condition, not damage lmao

[frank crystal]

It wasn’t really a trap

Just unfortunate map design

[barren cipher]

i have done this with like an ogre mage and i just had the survivors stabilise the fallen and carry them to their new and exciting positions in the living larder

[fast hill]

with a weakness and resistance like this do you apply both?

so a crit would deal an extra 3 damage total

[worthy stump]

yup

[fast hill]

is this a legal cone placement

[frank crystal]

Probably not but let’s go

[solar tendon]

I think you could just do like

a cone from the top left

and hit all three

unless skele pirate is your friend

[frank crystal]

I think it is yah

[fast hill]

skele pirate is friend

[warped orbit]

not a valid cone I think

[solar tendon]

it's a bit cheeky

[tough perch]

i was thinking of how to make defeat easier to deal with in pf2e

like instead of tpk everybody dies

there's only so many times you can "you guys wake up hours later as prisioners" untill it feels weird

i'm thinking of just going "okay this encounter is going horribly do you guys want to retreat"

and like abstract retreat with at most like a couple skill rolls, or something

[fast hill]

so they just did the farm for blood lords

[surreal basin]

did the cow kill anyone

[fast hill]

they

almost tpks

tpk'd

they fought the ENTIRE map at once

because of gunslinger

I should have signposted it more that it would be unmanagable if they shot the gun

[surreal basin]

I think you should in the future not aggro more than the current encounter if the gunslinger shoots the gun

That’s just gonna make all dungeons impossible

[turbid dagger]

WAit what
Yeah thats nuts

Please do not have 'enemies in other areas come in response to the gunshot' your gunslinger will NOT survive

[frank crystal]

Great way to start future encounters though

“And just as you beat up those guys some other guys come crashing into the room because of the sounds of violence.”

[turbid dagger]

If we want the narrative impact, I'd probably like uhhhh
Have enemies that are normally just bumming around when you find them now on high alert
Because they heard guns going off

[frank crystal]

Yah

Also like, in terms of actual security (assuming these are sentient beings anyway) “everyone run where the loud noise is” tends to be a kinda bad idea

Like obviously you’d want to send some people but an entire dungeons worth?

There’s gotta be people watching the rear

[surreal basin]

Yeah

If you’re committed to this then you gotta give your gunslinger access to a permanent silencer

[stuck bane]

The silencer text also seems to be the only thing that even specifies anything unusual about gun sounds compared to other weapons that I can find, and rather than specifying any particular range, it just notes that it can be heard “through doors and thin walls”

And a person in the fight could easily just shout loud enough to be heard through the same conditions

[silver geyser]

I imagine it's not quieter than the shouting that makes up verbal components.

[strange nest]

Damn, Silencer only lasts for one shot and doesn’t work with scatter guns.

tf is alkenstar making these out of?

[frank crystal]

Honestly making silencers for flintlocks is kinda impressive already

Like, the explosion is kinda mostly outside the barrel

[strange nest]

Oh yeah, fintlock

*flintlock

[strange nest]

Morshu Alchemist

[fast hill]

Ok but the book LITERALLY says that is perfectly acceptable

And to do it (if you think your players will enjoy the challenge of managing a zombie horde)

And they did

[unborn rain]

If a gunshot would make everyone come to you, why wouldnt a spell do the same

[fast hill]

I am considering that

[fast hill]

Gunshots are way louder than most spells

[unborn rain]

Depends on the spell, I feel like there's plenty of attacking spells which are loud enough to be heard through walls or further

[fast hill]

For sure

[clever cobalt]

Wondering how to justify a Gnoll in a theoretical Iron Gods 2e game

[worthy stump]

Gnoll who came from Alkenstar to explore the secrets of Numeria after hearing rumors about its technology

[unborn rain]

Gnolls live everywhere

Although they're not very common in Avistan

They're pretty numerous in the river kingdoms, which are lik right next to Numeria

[light gyro]

If you look at dungeons in official APs you can absolutely tell that paizo expects you to omit loud noises alerting the horde. Like some of these things would be instant death pits if you tried to apply realistic ideas of volume to them.

[carmine egret]

The typical excuse is that most monster bands tend to be self-interested and not eager to throw themselves at whatever's killing their neighbors, but it does get trickier to justify when things are more unified

[solar tendon]

paizo maps are generally not amazing tbh

[unborn rain]

Dragon barb unnamed is fun because you bite and you punch

[strange nest]

Hell yeah

Shame you can’t use greater blightburn bombs with the alchemist mega bomb capstone feat

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-to-bloxburg-bloxburg-legalize-nuclear-bombs-gif-27226018

[unborn rain]

I think there is or was a spell that was a nuclear bomb pretty much

[strange nest]

Isn’t that how the mana wastes came to be?

[clever cobalt]

The Mana Wastes was more it was a magical battlefield between two of the strongest Wizards ever, and over time it literally broke the weave of magic in the area

As opposed to any single event

[silver geyser]

I believe part of the Mana Waste's problem is too much wishcrafting.

[strange nest]

Yeah, magical wishes aren’t something you fuck around with

Oh shit you can make alchemical foods?

That’s rad as hell

[unborn rain]

A party needing a healer is actually a myth

You just need a fixable robot to take damage for you

[silver geyser]

Eyyy, someone learning how rad Construct Inventor is.

Repairing also gets real quick with the feat.

Once you get near endgame, you can Repair as a single action, which makes ridable Construct kinda nuts.

[solar tendon]

yo wtf

I need to get that

how did I miss it

that would reduce the 50 minutes it took me to repair 20 health down to 5 sfjghf

I rolled really bad

[surreal basin]

Quick Repair

Is the feat

[solar tendon]

we completed the second map without dying

in outlaws

we got like 4 elixirs of life from a goblin though

cause they were grateful we didn't take all of their junk

[unborn rain]

The only health point that matters is your last one

[strange nest]

the only health point that matters is ALL OF THEM because I LOVE being at FULL HEALTH RAAAAAAAAGHHHH!!!

[unborn rain]

Every hit point is your last hit point if you only have 1 hit point

[ocean cobalt]

shedinja mindset

[solar tendon]

I'm not finding overdrive very interesting though

it's really good like especially comparing it to gunslinger's non crit damage n such

but its also like

[clever cobalt]

Inventor?

[solar tendon]

yeah

it's just that its like. Just Damage

also it feels really bad to fail haha

[turbid dagger]

Its Weird Barb Rage yeah

[solar tendon]

let alone crit fail

[turbid dagger]

I wonder what the Assurance Math is on overdrive

[solar tendon]

I doubt you can manage it

[turbid dagger]

Is that a thing that can work

[barren cipher]

i expect it's one of those 'this works at three levels' things

[solar tendon]

assurance never beats an on level dc afaik

[clever cobalt]

it is

[solar tendon]

oh yeah

it works at level 3

[barren cipher]

level 2 if you get early expert works

[solar tendon]

wait no that's 17 vs 18

idk if you can get expert crafting early

[barren cipher]

level 7?

[solar tendon]

level 7?

dhsjkdhks

[clever cobalt]

Any class work well with Dragon Ancestry from Battlezoo?

[solar tendon]

7+6

[clever cobalt]

Aside from Fighter

Fighter dragons are fun

[solar tendon]

so it works at level 8 too

[fast hill]

I remember hearing something about Paizo making something like the OGL

(for pathfinder and such)

ah the ORC license

ic ic

[turbid dagger]

Hmmmm
Battlezoo dragons is on path builder for free.....
It's actually pretty cool
Thinking about Sovereign Dragon thaum or something

Regalia implement of course

I'm sad that there like
Twenty trillion heritage feats for BZD but 0 of them are for sovereign dragons

All of them belong to shit like 'harlequin dragons' or 'indigo dragons'

Oh and black dragons to talk to lizards

And later all animals

[clever cobalt]

Yeah Battlezoo Dragons is fun

I recommend looking at Draconic Diehard on the Class Archetypes tab when selecting a tab