I think if I had 65 gp and an unenchanted weapon Id prefer striking though
#Pathfinder
surreal basin
I feel like it’s letting yourself in on bad habits tho
surreal basin
Like one day you’re gonna end up with major striking and no potency lmao
turbid dagger
Either way, very nice
A whole +1 AC 😌
clever cobalt
I'm the most expirii3nced player in the game
surreal basin
I… based on the story I think you might need to correct some people lmao
clever cobalt
The other players include:
Rogue with a striking shortbow
Magus who doesn't use spellstrike and only hits things normally
A dual weapon Fighter using non-magic weapons at level 5
rapid wagon
Actually question, what do I spend my rune money on as a kineticist?
clever cobalt
And also a cleric who's playing more or less correctly
rapid wagon
I'm gonna be a metal kineticist
solar tendon
eventually you get an elemental reactor thingy
clever cobalt
This is the same game where my GM is making me not play a Kineticst cause they think it's too strong
It's more than a little frustrating admittedly
rapid wagon
Ah so I'll rune up my Kinetic reactor thingy
And until then pretty much save my money?
clever cobalt
Yeah Kineticsts are self-sustaining, per se
solar tendon
I dont remember what its called
clever cobalt
That yeah
clever cobalt
Anyways the GM is telling me to go "Wizard or Sorcerer but with a fire theme", instead of Fire Kineticist
solar tendon
mate attenuator
clever cobalt
Which is uh
surreal basin
Idk man, you’re more patient than me
solar tendon
+1 diplomacy
clever cobalt
Not really how it works in PF2e?
clever cobalt
It's getting tempting to do that
surreal basin
Like I just don’t think you’re gonna have a good Time moving forward
solar tendon
fate attenuator. cast idk that one divination spell
clever cobalt
fate attenuator. cast idk that one divination spell
REALITY MARBLE-DA
surreal basin
I can imagine that any time you get a strong spell or good ability the gm will ban it
Because the rest of the party feels bad that you don’t also suck
solar tendon
sate attenuator. no longer feel hunger
clever cobalt
Because the rest of the party feels bad that you don’t also suck
Oh no one claimed it was OP
Only the GM
They're the only one with an issue with it
solar tendon
crate attenuator. spawn infinite boxes but uh if you stand on them or stack them they poof cause no fun allowed
turbid dagger
Yeah I'd ditch that game personally
'I'm going to arbitrarily ban a core class because I disagree that its balanced' is uh
Hmrg
surreal basin
Yeah my advice to you is ditch
If you’re worried about making the gm feel bad then say you’re too busy or your work schedule changed or something
solar tendon
it does seem like it would save a lot of stress
rapid wagon
Have they actually substantiated their claim that it's op?
clever cobalt
It's a game with friends so that's a bit harder
But, yeah
I'm starting to think leaving is the way to go
rapid wagon
The only thing I've heard is the tree sentinel kinda breaks things
turbid dagger
crate attenuator. spawn infinite boxes but uh if you stand on them or stack them...
I'm glad that the GM in the game I'm playing a water/wood kineticist in has let me do wacky stuff with Base Kinesis
I've had to be my own power limiter on that front tbh
He was entirely willing to let me disintegrate a hole in the side of of a chest to loot it, I had to say 'hey I don't think I can do that'
clever cobalt
My concern is more me being seen as stubborn or whatever
clever cobalt
In that I'd rather leave the game than not play an OP class
Which isn't true but you know how it goes
clever cobalt
Have you talked to your gm about it in more depth
I plan to
But they're not replying to my DMs on Discord
I just reached out again though
turbid dagger
Its funny because like
The homebrew setting for that game is like
Hell Desert Apocalypse
But my character is a sandstrider lizardfolk who can spontaneously create water and fruit
So they like
Have 0 trouble surviving, at all
Just vibing in death valley
surreal basin
Just such a weird class to ban
Like if it were like….. water/earth kinet maybe I’d get it
clever cobalt
They heard it was OP elsewhere and I think it stuck with them
rapid wagon
Its funny because like
The homebrew setting for that game is like
Hell Desert Ap...
I always struggle with this kind of interaction tbh, like if I made a dessert survival setting where resource management was meant to be important, I'd probably be at least a bit miffed if a player trivialize it
clever cobalt
Also they say I'm a power gamer when I'm just making characters optimized
turbid dagger
Just such a weird class to ban
It is, inarguably
Sorry if it seems like I'm making light of your situation Starduster
It does seem like a lame situation
rapid wagon
I mean min/maxing for full optimization is a trait of being a power gamer
clever cobalt
Yeah I think I'm gonna leave the game
clever cobalt
I mean min/maxing for full optimization *is* a trait of being a power gamer
It is, but I'm also not like, doing that I think
I'm just using the Fire Kineticist to its full extent
Using feats and impulses that are perfectly valid
solar tendon
i mean its kinda thing where power gamer is just a pejorative. like railroad
turbid dagger
I always struggle with this kind of interaction tbh, like if I made a dessert su...
My GM doesn't mind, fortunately
And its resulted in some cool characterization
Like my lizardfolk has a uh
Pretty Severe Messiah Complex
Because he sees his kinetic abilities as both proof that he is meant to help his people survive and proof that he is obligated to do so
He IS a miracle
And it isn't helping them, because their biggest threat isn't heat or thirst, its the empire on their doorstep
So he's kind of obssessed with helping them prosper
clever cobalt
Yeah, fair
rapid wagon
Honestly if I were the gm I'd just say something like "Hey I heard some things about the class that imply it's OP. I'd like to let you play your thing, but on the condition that we keep an honest eye out for if it really is. I'll give you free reclass/respec if we find it's as bad as [random internet people] say."
surreal basin
Is really funny to me
clever cobalt
They said they'd be ok with making some impulses into focus spells
surreal basin
Cause I’ve been in campaign with like
surreal basin
No plot direction
clever cobalt
Imo at least
surreal basin
And that shit SUCKS
I like
Do not want to spend 16 sessions feeling out the vibe
Before we decide on something to commit to
I want drama, a story, a bunch of handcrafted setpieces
And that takes putting down at least a vague path for players to walk
rapid wagon
My GM doesn't mind, fortunately
And its resulted in some cool characterization
L...
Really boils down to aspects of the campaign and what the actual focus is for the adventure. If the survival aspect wasn't meant to be important, trivializing it is less annoying.
surreal basin
Gonna be honest
PF2E is also a bad system for a standard survival campaign
Like maybe fucked up extreme survival in like
An extraplanar space
But basic needs are absurdly easy to meet
rapid wagon
I haven't looked much into it, but I know 1e had a bunch of rules for it
turbid dagger
Imo at least
Honest to god I'd just go 'how about you let me do kineticist and then we see in play whether its Shit Nasty Busted'
'instead of doing weird kludges to solve a problem that may not exist'
turbid dagger
But basic needs are absurdly easy to meet
Forager Moment
silver geyser
Ahhh, forager
turbid dagger
'if you would have to care about food, instead don't'
surreal basin
1e was a lot more viable for survival
silver geyser
It let my Age of Ashes group just stay in the wilds indefinitely
surreal basin
There was less stuff that just like
Met your needs indefinitely
Stuff like create food and water was a pretty big spell slot sacrifice
silver geyser
Create water was a cantrip
surreal basin
5e pissed me off with having survival stuff but also having good berry
silver geyser
And the DC for survival was low
surreal basin
The ultimate survival spell
surreal basin
Create water was a cantrip
In 1e?
silver geyser
Yep, in 1e
surreal basin
Oh yeah I guess it is
turbid dagger
Honest to god I'd just go 'how about you let me do kineticist and then we see in...
This may seem combatative but I've RAN into GMs that just
Didn't Think Of That
One game I was in the GM had these crazy, WILD fucking houserules because he was traumatized by 5e and wanted to solve a martial caster divide that didn't exist
And me and another player were like
'sir'
'the problem you are solving doesn't exist in this game'
'lets try it normal'
And he went
'oh'
'oh yeah okay. lets try that'
silver geyser
Gritty survival for a group of 4-ish was easy enough in 1e
surreal basin
The 5e brain rot is very real
Honestly the big thing you can do for survival in both editions isn’t food and water
It’s environmental conditions
silver geyser
Weather is the big danger
surreal basin
Extreme heat or cold, environmental hazards, etc
2d6 cold damage every hour is like
A nightmare before level 5
silver geyser
Mountains are a perpetual health hazard
rapid wagon
I always think they'd be fun in terms of rewarding smaller decisions in gear and feats, but it always breaks down in trends of the amount of resource management that needs to be OK with the group
surreal basin
Yeah
Imo it’s better to make a gamified system of some kind
For long journies
Than complex resource management
rapid wagon
I also think it's fun to reward that side of being a Ranger tbh. Rather than just being a "fuck that guy" dps class, it's also a wilderness scout and survivalist class; but those aspects are kind of nonexistent
In normal play
solar tendon
its kinda tricky to make like being a ranger fun
rapid wagon
i do think it can be done in RP as well, rather than mechanically
solar tendon
as opposed to just your reward for being a ranger is that we skip all the survival stuff
rapid wagon
its just that i think like... normally people will just bulldoze through challenges that normally would be tailored to a ranger's expertise
"why would i follow your lead when i want for nothing, be it comfort, food, water, or surety of step?"
silver geyser
In some games, like Kingmaker, the survival casualization via the ranger is good
rapid wagon
though honestly it can be hugely rewarding in a non mechanical sense if the party just, in-character, recongizes that a ranger is the resident expert and differ to it naturally
instead of treating everything like a nail to their hammer
turbid dagger
You can still attack with a Grapple weapon while using it to grapple right
Thinking about ditching my spirit barbarian's Unarmed focus and doing a gill hook
frank crystal
Think so yah
turbid dagger
Also whats a good dedication for a gill hook swinging spirit barbarian playing abomination vaults, that is NOT Mauler or Wrestler
Mauler's early stuff seems so-so and wrestler really wants you to be punching even if your using a grapple weapon
thorny berry
You can still attack with a Grapple weapon while using it to grapple right
Think...
one of those things where the 'flavor' of it might get weird but there's no rule against it so yeah
turbid dagger
I assume he gets em with the hook and then yknow
jiggles it around in em
thorny berry
Also whats a good dedication for a gill hook swinging spirit barbarian playing a...
swashbuckler, maybe?
frank crystal
Also whats a good dedication for a gill hook swinging spirit barbarian playing a...
Any other particular skills or stats you’re focusing on?
turbid dagger
Athletics, and medicine
Thinking Champ all of a sudden honestly
thorny berry
champ is always a solid choice
evil champ reactions could be pretty solid if you've got people grabbed
turbid dagger
I can get lay on hands, splint mail, reaction
He's a cosmic caravan worshipper (thanks Wrin) so
thorny berry
since at that point they sorta have to target you
frank crystal
You could also go Gladiator if you bump up CHA for champion
Gives you a bit more utility and ways to use charisma
Also a Gill Hook is basically just a big hook on a rod right?
turbid dagger
Also a Gill Hook is basically just a big hook on a rod right?
Its a spear with a hook sticking out the side, a harpoon sort of thing
frank crystal
Ahh ok
turbid dagger
I imagine something like this but the hook is more pronounced
So you can actually get it around something
frank crystal
That would make sense
frank crystal
Does sickened lower attack bonuses?
solar storm
no
frank crystal
It weirdly does on foundry
solar storm
yeah I was mistaken
frank crystal
Do you just die if your maximum hit points gets to 0 via the drained condition?
clever cobalt
yes
frank crystal
Ok great
I’m using it as basically an enrage mechanic on one of my bosses
If they don’t beat him in time they’ll just eventually be drained to death even if they dodge and crit succeed on all his other attacks
warped orbit
You can still attack with a Grapple weapon while using it to grapple right
Think...
yes, but only against the target you have Grappled
turbid dagger
Hm
I will get Living Weapon for the d6 option in case I need to multitask
frank crystal
This +1 Striking Cunning Rapier bears the sigil of House Rose on its hilt. Just wielding this sword grants a certain level of authroity to members of its House, granting a +1 item bonus to Diplomacy, Intimidation and Deception checks agaisnt members of House Rose.
Activate f Envision, Interact
Trigger You critically hit a creature with Thorn
Effect You gain a +2 cirumstance bonus to your AC agaisnt the targeted creature.
Activate 2 Envision, Interact
Frequency Once Per Day
Effect You cast the Impending Doom spell at 4th level with a DC of 25.
How does this look btw?
frank crystal
Do they actually have 17th level feats or are they just bad?
Oh shit they actually don’t
What the hell
Why don’t they?
turbid dagger
Do they actually have 17th level feats or are they just bad?
They genuinely have none
But
They have heritages like 'you never need to eat'
And their earlier ancestry feats are like
'darkvision'
'swim speed'
'Climb speed'
'permanent thirty foot motion sense'
clever cobalt
Yeah they have strong feats but no level 17 feats
Maybe the remaster will change thst
worthy delta
My GM who initially decided to switch her upcoming D&D 5e sandbox campaign over to Pathfinder 2e has recently reversed that decision and decided to have it be a 5e campaign after all, and I’m…a little bit sad about it tbh. Like I totally understand why she made the decision and I support whatever she wants to do, but man, I was getting hyped to get to regularly play a system that isn’t 5e, and to play PF2e specifically 😔
turbid dagger
Maybe the remaster will change thst
I'm gonna be real
Those MFS are not getting reprinted for a while
turbid dagger
My GM who initially decided to switch her upcoming D&D 5e sandbox campaign over ...
Also ALAS 😭
worthy delta
I wish I had the time to pick up an additional tabletop group that will play PF2e, it seems so fun
frank crystal
I'm gonna be real
Those MFS are not getting reprinted for a while
Paizo hates fleshwarps
turbid dagger
Paizo hates fleshwarps
They're just very specific
It's not like they're gonna be a player core 2 race, and afaik the non core source books are not getting remastered
clever cobalt
turbid dagger
Summoner and Magus probably also aren't gonna see reprinting for awhile
worthy delta
Oof
turbid dagger
Yep
I wanna say that kholo are slated for player core 2??
turbid dagger
There was a slew of Weird Races in that announcement
frank crystal
They're just very specific
It's not like they're gonna be a player core 2 race, ...
Imo they’d be a good sell for the remaster
“Play as a fucking freak of nature”
frank crystal
“A being who’s body has been irreparably changed and can no longer exist as they once were”
frank crystal
"Monster" PCs
Yah
Also like, even if you’re not interested in that
Everyone likes venom
And you can basically have the powers of venom
eager mountain
becuase it does
there are tho ...?
well actualy mabye the runelords and thier civ arent azlanti
frank crystal
becuase it does
I mean when I say the game updates constantly on foundry I mean constantly
Like every few days
I made that message because I updated it yesterday and got a new update today
Like Paizo does not have that much of an output on content
eager mountain
“Play as a fucking freak of nature”
yeah but data changes and other stuff
or small changes
plus with foundry version 12 coming soon
frank crystal
I assume you didn’t mean to respond to that message lol
eager mountain
oh yeah sorry
frank crystal
Also yah I know why it updates so quickly now
frank crystal
plus with foundry version 12 coming soon
Also wait foundry 12 is coming soon?
eager mountain
ye
eager mountain
https://youtu.be/Y-i-SqSJTC0 well I assssummme soon
the last thing was 2 months ago
looks like its gonna be real cool
frank crystal
What’s the major changes?
eager mountain
like being able to select areas to make them actually difficult terrain for one
like Event zones
uhhhyou can just hold over roofs now and after a split second they become invisible
elevation mapping I think is gonna be a thing ?
event zones are gonna be like .....
walk into area , activate rain
walk into area , difficult terrain
frank crystal
Oh that’s so nice
eager mountain
walk into area , ambush appears
uhh theres gonna be a thing where you actualy have a button when your stacked to move up and down
instead of just pressing z
frank crystal
Also wait I forget, is gonna be as involved if a process as from 10-11?
I don’t remember if that’s the standard or was especially bad because it was a new launcher
eager mountain
idk
frank crystal
uhh theres gonna be a thing where you actualy have a button when your stacked to...
Nice
eager mountain
appearently thier improving texture fits or wahtever.
( this ones contained so the whole t hin fits into the bounding box
FIT
WIDE CENTAUR
frank crystal
Oh god
eager mountain
cover
appearently cover uses the larger of the two dimensions to cover the border
frank crystal
Neat
Admittedly I am kinda wondering how that roof feature is gonna work
Because like, will I need to make my maps with various levels to get it to work?
eager mountain
yeah idk how to make roof tiles.
ya know how some maps have like roofs over stuff OR like just assets placed over something in the for ground
previously in foundry, you can only see under those if you click a token under it
see like this
in 12 if you move your cursor over it , its just becomes invisible
so you can just see inside.
same for like tree cover and stuff like that
now as someone who doesnt make assets for her game, I dont know how to fuckin make alot of stuff like that
idk how to use occlusion tiles.
frank crystal
Oh that’s so cool
eager mountain
they also added elivations to drawings appearently
eager mountain
they havent added elevation to walls yet, but thier gonna
you can also set area of effect stuff to different heights too
like a 20ft in the air fireball
frank crystal
Nice
eager mountain
oh neat , now wit hthe roof tiles , they have occlusion. and light sources no longer go through them
SO , if you put a light above a roof it wont show through , but only onto the roof
like so
but yeah love me some visuals stuff
the pomp and circumstance are important to me on vtts
oh you can change the whole tone of scenes and shit, raising shadows, changing light levels and saturation
you can turn it black and white
turbid dagger
Hm, Ghost Wrangler seems kind of cute
Incorporeal creatures seem to have universally poor Fortitude DCs so I see much ghost strangling in my future with Spirit Barbarian
frank crystal
So other then really fucking up undead
Are there big niches for the psychopomp eidolon?
warped orbit
that's mostly it
turbid dagger
Free invis always in the tank is nice
Notably if you only use it on your summoner your eidolon can keep brawling while you do non attack stuff
frank crystal
Oh I didn’t notice that part
I assumed it was tied to both of you
But yah, seems like undead may become a bit more common this campaign
turbid dagger
It can be you, your eidolon, or both of you
If it's both of you it breaks for both if one does a breaking action
frank crystal
Ahh IC
Still that’s pretty good
Especially since with the divine list you probably wont be doing many attacks or harmful actions in general
Well maybe some debuffs
turbid dagger
But yeah generally you'll be looking at the anti undead stuff
frank crystal
Also are there any like, living creatures with a weakness to void?
solar storm
Also wait I forget, is gonna be as involved if a process as from 10-11?
I don’t think so - that was an nodejs patch or something and it SUCKED
frank crystal
Oh thank god
It took me like
A full day just to update that
Wait I think you know that because I had to ask you for help for a lot of it
surreal basin
Also Forge and Foundry both had like
Huge issues from companies they work with
Around that time
clever cobalt
Just found this tidbit of lore
According to the Concordance of Rivals, when the End Times come, a desperate Asmodeus will unlock the Dead Vault to free Rovagug, in the hope that he will consume the other apocalypse
Wonder if it'll be relevant
sinful gyro
Could be but also prophecy so
clever cobalt
Yeah fair
frank crystal
```According to the Concordance of Rivals, when the End Times come, a desperate ...
Honestly I don’t get how this helps him
Like, if the apocalypse comes
What is the benefit of causing another apocalypse?
clever cobalt
Desperation
unborn rain
well Rovagug eats the apocalypse, then in the time he's doing that Asmodeus tries to come up with a solution to Rovagug
frank crystal
Wait eating the apocalypse was literal?
clever cobalt
Who knows
unborn rain
it's like, if you're about to die from a magic arm poison may as well chop it off and instead take the death timer of bleeding out to try and live
frank crystal
I guess yah
turbid dagger
Wait eating the apocalypse was literal?
Yeah Rovagug wants to eat literally everything, people but also like the fabric of the universe
If there was some Daemonic universal invasion or something Asmodeus could point Golarion at it, crack the vault open, and hope that Rovagug sees the Daemons before it sees him
frank crystal
Oh shit
solar tendon
the only problem you need to solve is the one thats going to kill you first
frank crystal
Clearly Asmodeus’s plan to solve Rovagug is to unleash another world ending entity on him
rapid wagon
Asmodeus pulling a thor with ragnorok to fight hel
surreal basin
Yeah, I could see like
The horsemen uniting and starting their genocide in earnest
Being enough to like
Convince him to sic rovagug on them
turbid dagger
I feel like there'd be several steps before that but possibly
Honestly I was under the assumption that the Horsemen WERE pretty united
rapid wagon
wouldn't PC's just like... kill the horsemen
honestly, given half a chance, I'd bet players would just kill Rovagug
barren cipher
as players you can barely kill rovagug's kids
turbid dagger
Generally killing deities is outside of player purview
rapid wagon
I've gotten somewhat used to, when people talk about their games, players straying well into mythic territory or just in general being exceptionally high powered
turbid dagger
Wrath of the Righteous is an exception on the official front but there aren't many others
frank crystal
I mean the horseman aren’t gods right?
warped orbit
they pretty much are
surreal basin
In setting adventurers can kill minor deities
barren cipher
they have clerics and such
frank crystal
Ahhh ok
surreal basin
I would say under extremely specific circumstances
Someone could kill the horsemen alone
Together? No
The horsemen as a team body almost every creature in the planar system
rapid wagon
players are only ever one macguffin and one plot development away from killing anything in the pathfinder universe
barren cipher
the horseman of famine killed the previous horseman of famine but i think they had already ascended
surreal basin
Charon is fucking absurdly power and has never been killed by like
Any other daemon
turbid dagger
They are demigods
Which is still traditionally not PC territory
See the highest level dudes in Pf2e being:
Treerazer, a not quite demon lord
Tarrasque, Rovagug's kid
surreal basin
For millennia
Charon might be like
A real god
1e sources are extremely ambiguous on what the fuck is up with him other than almost everyone is scared shitless of him
turbid dagger
Now MIND
I am working on a campaign idea that potentially ends with the Horsemen biting it
But all the PCs really do there in that hypothetical is wake the Oinodaemon, the actual for real god of Abaddon, up
surreal basin
Oh yeah
The oinodaemon is real shit
Now there are people who could stand against a god
Basically anyone with mythic levels was born to lol
turbid dagger
I do find it funny that mythic power is like
Its own energy source
And not just 'this means your super strong one way or another'
It's like ultra instinct
surreal basin
Yeah absolutely
rapid wagon
I'd expect some level of specifically charitable rules exploitation that someone on the internet would have spent too much time figuring out to defeat entities and creatures that otherwise should be unbeatable or unkillable
surreal basin
lol
The ‘mortal’ that comes to mind is Baba Yaga who is stronger than any creature you can fight in 2e lmao
barren cipher
yeah i see the occasional 'you can kill the tarrasque without defeating its regeneration in three easy steps (and six hard ones)'
turbid dagger
Like what do you mean the vault keepers are so tough because they 'have mythic power'
What does that MEAN
Fucked up bugs with the Divine Slurp Juice
surreal basin
CR 30
Mythic Rank 10
Literally able to grasp divinity and actively chooses not to
Cause she thinks it’s for pussies
Including the extremely funny feature
Queen of Witches (Ex) As Queen of Witches, Baba Yaga knows all witch spells, as well as all sorcerer/wizard spells. Baba Yaga also has knowledge of many other spells that she has researched. Many of these are arcane versions of divine spells. In addition, Baba Yaga can create artifacts, and has done so to great extent, the greatest of which is the Dancing Hut of Baba Yaga.
rapid wagon
tldr: "Baba Yaga knows every spell, and some that don't exist yet. Baba Yaga can just make up spells. Gl Fam"
surreal basin
Also she did the ultimate Slavic power move and hid her death
And now is genuinely unkillable
rustic cape
She hid it in a soup cauldron
She uses it to flavor her soup
(I am making this up)
turbid dagger
Put her in the tarrasques prison hole like one of those SCP 682 extermination logs
surreal basin
That would be insanely impressive
rapid wagon
honestly, like... running super high CR creatures seems like its almost a chore
there are so many traits and features
and effects
rustic cape
I have a backstory I wrote for a Strength of Thousands game (that I didn’t get into, alas) for an animist who was Baba Yaga’s maid #writing-club message
rapid wagon
honestly hte easiest way to defeat mega high level/CR monsters in Pathfinder is crossing the narrative boundary and ensuring the GM simply forgets a number of that creatures abilities
surreal basin
Lmao
Nah a lot of stuff is just like
To fight someone like HER
then you need to be like
Optimized level 20 MR10
rapid wagon
i thought it was still kinda just around
clever cobalt
It is and it isnt
rapid wagon
was a non-issue as a managed threat
clever cobalt
Yeah
But we don't know where it is or why still
Like it randomly went into iberation in some small place
unborn rain
It's close enough to Galarion that PCs can fight if they want but far enough away it's not causing any issues currently
clever cobalt
Yeah
sinful gyro
Killed by Orc
frank crystal
Man, I still really wanna build my riot shield gunslinger
Using a tower shield+sniper to hide behind my own shield
frank crystal
Sniper
I’m pretty sure with how it works you can use the reload to take cover behind your own tower shield
fossil temple
https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Graycloaks Pathfinder has places that 100% are anti-gods, interesting
barren cipher
wait until you hear about rahadoum
rapid wagon
i thought for sure thre was an inner sea nation that was effectively atheist
not taldor right? they're whole shtick is knights of yore
solar storm
Rahadoum is on the inner sea and atheistic
rapid wagon
ah ok so thats the one i guess i was thinking about
the name didn't ring any bells for some reason
wasnt there an adventure that took place or ventured there?
thorny berry
Using a tower shield+sniper to hide behind my own shield
depending on gm you might also be able to do this on a mount
but yes absolutely, I also want to play that exact build
frank crystal
depending on gm you might also be able to do this on a mount
but yes absolutely...
That is an extremely funny image
Just some dude on a horse with a riot shield and pistol
Guarding the horse and themselves as they reload
thorny berry
oh I mean just going rifle and taking cover behind the horse without the shield
frank crystal
Ohhh
frank crystal
Oh yah huh you can use creatures larger then you as cover
unborn rain
Rahadoum is on the inner sea and atheistic
Anti-theistic would probably bea better label
warped orbit
Oh yah huh you can use creatures larger then you as cover
they provide Cover, but you cannot normally Take Cover behind a creature IIRC
unborn rain
As atheistic implies like, they don't have a patron god or something. Whilst they actively think gods are bad because they are
frank crystal
Ohhh
thorny berry
oh rip
thorny berry
can't a halfling or somebody take an ancestry feat to do that though
kobolds
I forget
unborn rain
Haflings can and Kobolds might also
warped orbit
Halfling has a feat to Hide behind allies
not sure if there is an equivalent one for Cover somewhere
frank crystal
I mean that still works then
Because sniper is either take cover or hide
So you can still do it as a mobile snipers reload
barren cipher
if you have a big enough horse you can get standard cover provided you don't mind standing behind it rather than riding it
thorny berry
if you have a big enough horse you can get standard cover provided you don't min...
working on a character concept
frank crystal
Also can multiple people mount on a creature if it’s big enough?
barren cipher
if you're using guns and gears you may as well use trick driver and an automated cycle
barren cipher
Also can multiple people mount on a creature if it’s big enough?
narratively i think you're fine, i don't think there's any support at all for in combat
frank crystal
Ah ok
thorny berry
shame there's not really mount-equivalent scaling for vehicles
barren cipher
yeah if you wanted to do a howdah or something i think you'd be best off working with the vehicle rules
turbid dagger
Eepy ancestry? But we already have catfolk
unborn rain
Double eepers catfolk/sleepy tian xia adopted ancestry
warped orbit
you better give them the Sleepwalker archetype too 😛
paper juniper
just used telekinesis to play necromancer bowling
really fun
(yeeted their own zombies against them)
rapid wagon
its kinda neat that starfinder can let a mechanic replace a number of their features in order to get a custom vehicle at level 1
meaning you can totally play a space greaser
who adores their bike
ofc gotta make sure you do this in a setting or campaign that enables the use of vehicles; but in a pinch you can also be a starship pilot
then again its not wholly hard make a custom vehicle with UPBs, just nice to get that access at reduced cost at level 1
limber comet
Chu Ye seems super interesting
Also because the kitsune holding a behead oni head is metal
clever cobalt
limber comet
Tian Xia and Howl are gonna hit hard
sinful gyro
Deny the traitors rebirth?
turbid dagger
Also works if you wanna be a minotaur like ancestry
Its funny cuz like
Minotaur just Is Coming in Howl
So we get Minotaur and Other Minotaur
clever cobalt
yeah they're magical minotaurs
limber comet
And also not large by default
clever cobalt
oh nice
frank crystal
Woah more cow people
frank crystal
How much does that matter?
clever cobalt
Oh hell yeah. Oh fuck yeah
frank crystal
Ohhh
clever cobalt
hence the uh
literal names
Also
They can take different forms
they can look human or they can look like uh
the right
Versitile Heritage 
sinful gyro
These look great
frank crystal
Oh what’s their thing?
turbid dagger
Hungerseed
Huhhhh
frank crystal
Oh hell yah
turbid dagger
Oh that makes sense
I was also gonna guess rakshasa
clever cobalt
they're disconnecting them from Tieflings//Nephilim
turbid dagger
Oni are weird
Because they're a whole seperate category of Thing
They're worldly spirits, not outsiders
The ones that manifest in physical form are oni, but the ones that stay immaterial are kami
frank crystal
MAGICAL GIRL
turbid dagger
Either way they are native to the material plane not the outer planes
Also MY LORD
heavy fulcrum
the madmen finally did it (this is a joke because they were a thing in PF1)
limber comet
MAGICAL GIRL ARCHETYPE
turbid dagger
Real talk soulforger also has The Vibes
heavy fulcrum
(not this specific archetype, to be clear)
turbid dagger
But this is cool
I hope we get the hybrid study in this stream
silver geyser
Not a fun place to be sure.
eager mountain
also I find the detail that the temple of hei-feng is covered in lightening rods becuase thier god keeps striking it with lightening becuase they built it high up funny
eager mountain
SPAM IS CANON IN PATHFINDER
eager mountain
turbid dagger
Hmmmmm
I think
I am ready to run Abomination Vaults
eager mountain
neat
barren cipher
why is zombie agriculture near the bottom, i thought that was the second thing you could learn about geb after its name
light gyro
walkena is aroden
explain immediately
solar tendon
yeah I don't really see how that would work
light gyro
aroden causing world-wide mayhem and giving up on being god over a massively important city-state so he can be a shittier god to a shittier city-state
light gyro
wait yeah if earth exists in golarion there's gonna be billions of very confused people expecting [insert real-world religion afterlife] and instead they meet someone's night elf OC
clever cobalt
wait yeah if earth exists in golarion there's gonna be billions of very confused...
It already does exist
light gyro
yeah i know, i mean 'if' in the sense of 'if this, then this!'
solar tendon
isn't the like
pathfinder afterlife tied to each systems sun
cause obviously otherwise golarion stuff would be an extreme minority
turbid dagger
Well, I know Golarion's Hell and Golarion's Abaddon have like
Taken over planets
ember bay
It already does exist
I don't know why Cthulu being listed under inhabitants made me laugh.
turbid dagger
Trelmarixian used to be an alien
clever cobalt
Also the Demon Lords have cults on other planets
Delta Green (or its predecessors) are fighting DT stuff on Earth
solar tendon
tbf dark tapestry being relatively universal is the exception as far as like deities and equivalent things go
the ones we know about I mean
clever cobalt
I personally just enjoy the Headcanon of Delta Green and Pathfinder existing in the same setting, albeit at different points in the timeline
turbid dagger
I mean again
Trelmarixian isn't even from Golarion, and he's one of the Horsemen
Which implies to me that Abaddon is everyone's Abaddon, and the same extends to the other afterlives
The fact that you aren't running into hundreds of dudes in heaven who were like
Glorp Xeenzix, the greatest hero in Omicron IV's history, feels mostly like its the result of the setting being very Golarion centric
Like the other worlds exist but on the meta front they don't really matter as much
clever cobalt
Golarion is also metaphysically weird iird
Like the Gods pay an above average amount of attention to it
Largely due to it being Rovugug's prison
Plus the Starstone
unborn rain
It already does exist
Satellites: One moon (NO LINK)
clever cobalt
I don't know why Cthulu being listed under inhabitants made me laugh.
It's funny to me too
Even if it's canon
especially because it's canon
My other headcanon is that Earth is just blossoming with Dark Tapestry stuff. Even beyond Golarion's level of that stuff
rapid wagon
golarion has marvel!Earth and DC!Earth syndrome
as somehow being the most important place
until starfinder anyway, after the gap
clever cobalt
Hey somewhere had to be the most important place
rapid wagon
where its just gone
clever cobalt
And it makes sense thst the story is focused on the place
solar tendon
well it's why cthulu doesn't really get up to much, because he's sleeping on earth
while other elder gods fuck around all over the place
clever cobalt
Nyarlathotep is a core god in Starfinder as well
unborn rain
Golarion is the most important place we know of because it's the only place we really know of
rapid wagon
yeah, just cause like, cthulu be sleeping on it, and now its just gone post Gap
clever cobalt
Yes
trail nova
Earth is a ? in Starfinder
solar tendon
that's where cthulu is
clever cobalt
It already does exist
Cthulhu is there
rapid wagon
ohhh ok
clever cobalt
Eepy
trail nova
But yeah, a couple of APs have you go to earth.
turbid dagger
Its also where Baba Yaga is from
solar tendon
there's a portal in north golarion
trail nova
Its also where Baba Yaga is from
And Anastasia Romanova
clever cobalt
You also go to the Earth Dreamlands in Strange Aeons
And meet the creator of the Necronomicon
Who is from Earth
silver geyser
Earth also has its own stuff that happens
solar tendon
but with golarion being gone in sf its entirely possible there is no longer any material connection between golarion's system and the sol system
clever cobalt
You also go to False Paris
unborn rain
And meet the creator of the Necronomicon
Lovecraft?
silver geyser
Like Paris getting partly taken by Hastur
clever cobalt
Ni
rapid wagon
pf2e play a apce vigilante who goes between earth and golarion
unborn rain
Portal in the middle of the Eurasian steppe which leads to space
trail nova
... Would be hilarious for a Starfinder Ap to be about first-contact with Earth.
clever cobalt
"The Mad Arab" Abdul Alhazred
solar tendon
I think partially it's complicated cause there's kinda conflicting between 1e and 2e lore
clever cobalt
I mean Anastasia is still canon
solar tendon
and a lot of the lore is from earlier in 1e at that
clever cobalt
But yeah
solar tendon
yeah I'm not disputing that lol
silver geyser
The Egyptian Pantheon also emigrated to Golarion
solar tendon
more wider cosmological stuff
esepcially since the entire thing got reorganised for the remaster
clever cobalt
I like to think of Earth existing in Starfinder as like
unborn rain
The Egyptian Pantheon also emigrated to Golarion
I don't think there's proof it emigrated just that they're at both places
clever cobalt
Either got cosmic horror'd
Or
It's the headquarters of Dark Tapestry forces opposing the Dominion of the Black
And is hidden as a result
solar tendon
well also drift drives only work in system right
clever cobalt
Mmmmmaybe?
solar tendon
it's like cowboy bebop scale
clever cobalt
I forgwt
solar tendon
not star trek
solar tendon
oh fair
clever cobalt
The Pact Worlds is just one system in the galaxy
Anyways AP idea:
Someone brought a nuke to Golarion and no one knows how it works, because it's not magic but purely tech
So you gotta go to Earth to find someone to disarm it
trail nova
Yeah, one of my complaints about Starfinder is that drift drives are often faster for in-system travel, much less between-system travel.
clever cobalt
I mean makes sense
solar tendon
ohh galaxy scale
clever cobalt
You're hopping a significantly smaller scale in-system than inter-system
solar tendon
no intergalactic travel is what I was remembering
solar tendon
apparently it's also that the more drift beacons in a place the better travel is there
trail nova
You're hopping a significantly smaller scale in-system than inter-system
I mean compared to regular engines.
clever cobalt
I mean also makes sense to me
Why use other engines when the Drift Drive exisrs
Regardless
solar tendon
but uh really my point is that the golarion system isn't necessarily in the milky way
solar tendon
so like I said post gap there isn't necessarily any reason earth would be findable at all
clever cobalt
Yeah
trail nova
Why use other engines when the Drift Drive exisrs
Mostly narative. Starfinder also claims to have space pirates be a thing.
clever cobalt
Also now I'm imagining the Union meeting the Pact Worlds and other Starfinder Factions
Lancer ships are on a whole other level compared to Starfinder ships
trail nova
Yeah, that would be interesting. I think Union has a decent upper hand, but magic... is a known weakness.
unborn rain
What level creature is a mech
clever cobalt
Depends
clever cobalt
Yeah, that would be interesting. I think Union has a decent upper hand, but magi...
And yeah, though NHPs also exist
As does paracausal tech
The biggest ships in Starfinder are uh
trail nova
I think they cap out at Lancer Frigates.
trail nova
Maybe carriers for the super colossals
clever cobalt
Supercollosals are 6 miles max
trail nova
Oh, that’s bigger than Battleships
clever cobalt
Which are bigger than frigates but smaller than capital ships iirc?
Also Supercolossal ships are pretty rare iirc
unborn rain
Any given ship can be destroyed as long as it is piloted by something which can be effected by magic
clever cobalt
While Union has a whole navy of ships slightly smaller
trail nova
Other than maybe Eilands, but those are battle-equipped ship yards
clever cobalt
Any given ship can be destroyed as long as it is piloted by something which can ...
I think it also has to do with scale of the battlefield
Starfinder operates on Star Wars space combat rules
While Lancer takes place on the scale on entire orbits or even solar systems
So the question is if Magic even works on that range
trail nova
Magic in space combat is pretty low effect without a ship pumping it
Which is what Magic Officer and some weapons do
I think Drift Engines are the biggest deal.
unborn rain
It's not even like a thing of magic ships, just magic people
if you can cast a spell on what ever is piloting a ship effectively then that ship is useless
solar tendon
most spells require line of effect though
trail nova
That’s… not how Starfinder shows ships and magic interacting
solar tendon
and if you can get a person into line of effect in lancer you also can take control of the ship haha
you just use a gun instead of a spell
sinful gyro
I feel like one a fleet in lancer is in position, they could if they needed, blow up anything from so far a range that it has almost no opportunity to respond
But the tricky part is getting there
Drift engines have much more tactical superiority
trail nova
Even the stuff that can function at starship scale usually doesn’t have the pinpoint targeting for starship fights.
sinful gyro
Those star ships are going to suffer without stations to refuel and repair
And once they get closer to lancer ships, they get into dog fighting with fighters
trail nova
I also suspect that Union and the Pact Worlds wouldn’t open with immediate hostilities.
sinful gyro
I mean all of this is just DC verses Marvel power level stuff, there's no real answer
Yeah we also have to assume they want to fight
Which neither side would afaik
Union verses the swarm however
sinful gyro
John Harison, Saint of Abadarcorp
The 5 Voices have join Triune to make Quadune
Or would it be Octune
light gyro
idk why the idea of starfinder vs union seems silly to me but 'lancer mech vs mobile suits' has me pulling out the whiteboard
silver geyser
Union having to compare itself to the Pact World's personhood stuff would be fascinating
light gyro
you think RA would have a problem with automata
solar tendon
hmm
rapid wagon
our shaman's life spirit familiar just got circle of death'd 🥺
silver geyser
you think RA would have a problem with automata
RA might have a problem with the Undead.
solar tendon
automata are full body replacement but they do work off of like souls being a thing
like it's a world with reincarnation n soul jar etc
light gyro
im more thinking about the life extension aspect of automatons to be clear
solar tendon
hard to say without knowing why ra cares about decorp
but that's kinda what I'm saying is like automata have replaced their bodies with ones that are much more durable but they're fundamentally still humanoids with bodies
unborn rain
Does RA know about the concept of an actual provable soul?
clever cobalt
Are you saying RA is Pharasma
unborn rain
I'm saying that RA's world view might be based on a world where souls don't exist
And RA might be a bit shocked when RA finds a bunch of humans who all have provable souls. Although I don't actually know the reason for RA's thing against full body replacement
clever cobalt
Actually, why does Pharasma not like undead, but is fine with stuff like Resurrection or Automatons existing?
clever cobalt
They do?
unborn rain
Automatons still die, you cant res someone without her permission
light gyro
mortals can mess with their fates a little as a treat
clever cobalt
I suppose it just feels a bit odd to me, even if I understand it from a gameplay perspective
silver geyser
Undeath relies on trauma to function
unborn rain
Void energy actively takes away from the universe, souls are made from positive energy but you transform that into negative energy through undeath
clever cobalt
Fair enough
silver geyser
Like, it does something to the original soul as well
unborn rain
Pharasma is fine with the elongation of life because what is even centuaries more to her, you will eventually die and face her Judgement (specifically hers, she doesnt want you to face anyone elses of course)
silver geyser
Undeath damages the cycle directly
You can get a person and an undead version of that person running around at the same time with sufficiently powerful magic
solar tendon
ressurection etc has pharasma's implicit consent
your time to die includes effects such n that
silver geyser
Yup!
She even has souls that are going to be ressurected interact with specific communities in the Boneyard, including souls who did so little in life they can't be sorted into an afterlife.
Side note, that part of the Boneyard is cool as hell.
eager mountain
>walkena is aroden
explain immediately
Just a red herring
eager mountain
Abrhamic God is N
Oh no it’s literally just the “ one true god” from world scape
clever cobalt
Oh no it’s literally just the “ one true god” from world scape
who dat?
eager mountain
who dat?
Jesus I guess
World scape was a comic crossover
And I don’t consider it cannon
clever cobalt
I'm surprised there isn't a Starfinder Space Pirate AP
Though there's always a chance in 2e I suppose
heavy fulcrum
worldscrape had conan, red sonja, john carter, tarzan, herbert west, vampirella and more
and it is canon, its just set entirely inside a demiplane that yanked folks from across time and space
eager mountain
I'm surprised there isn't a Starfinder Space Pirate AP
There is kinda
scenic patio
Fly or die?
turbid dagger
I'm prepping way too far ahead but I've decided (Abomination Vaults) ||Murschen, the Skulk Brawler in the labs, will teach the party his unique stance if they do his side quest||
Its just too cool to leave languishing
And we're gonna have a martial artist thief rogue so I'm certain they'll be hyped
warped orbit
That will be pretty sick
clever cobalt
I wanna play Rusthenge > Seven Dooms
But I dunno what Rusthenge is love admittedly
eager mountain
But I dunno what Rusthenge is love admittedly
uhhh its rusty
worthy delta
Man, I wish transing your gender gave you psychic powers in real life, I want psychic powers!
frank crystal
Hmm, if I wanted to make an enemy that was possessed armor
You think it’s better to give them the ghost resistances/weaknesses or the construct resistances/weaknesses?
carmine egret
what if both, in phases?
silver geyser
A spirit vulnerability will serve well.
frank crystal
<:galaxybrain:708385327613608018> what if both, in phases?
Admittedly this isn’t meant to be like
A boss fight
These are just normal enemies
frank crystal
A spirit vulnerability will serve well.
Yah admittedly I am kinda leaning towards spirit just because the vulnerabilities could be interesting to play with
carmine egret
These are just normal enemies
Makes sense. I do like the idea of "crack the armor, then banish the ghost" as a gimmick, would have to be low threshholds for both on a stock enemy
clever cobalt
So, what Ancestries work best in Sandpoint?
and other stuff
given there isn't a Player's Guide for Sandpoint :v
carmine egret
Mostly the same as the rest of Varisia
Predominantly human but the "normal" other ancestries aren't out of place
carmine egret
idk if goblins have integrated into the community at this point in the lore
silver geyser
Things have changed in Varisia in a big way thanks to New Thassilon.
clever cobalt
Yeah
frank crystal
I want to make a dungeon for my game where it’s the players going through an abandoned fortress of a knights order seemingly lost to time
Only to find their armor possessed by the former knights
Still stubborn enough to stay ghost’s because not even death will keep them from their oaths
frank crystal
Gonna put the statblock on this guy
warm shadow
I've been thinking about running PF with my friends, this would be my first time GMing anything so advice is most certainly appreciated.
solar storm
I also have some experience but its hard to give it in general
echo briar
If you are willing/able to use a premade adventure, get the beginners box. it is a godsend
assuming this is pf2
warm shadow
I am certainly planning on getting the beginners box!
frank crystal
Oh yah probably should ask
Is this 1st or 2nd edition?
Because I have 0 idea about 1st
warm shadow
It'll probably be 2e
solar storm
For most people I would recommend 2e atm
frank crystal
Ok just making sure
warm shadow
I'll have to think about what questions I have, kinda chaotic at the moment so I may take a while
frank crystal
That’s fine
worthy stump
i'm really curious to see them too. i personally liked the 1e system for them, but i'm aware it was too much crunch for a lot of people
limber comet
It's not
frank crystal
anyone have any ideas for weaknesses for a sorta, failed divine being whos a suit of armor and giant rose vines
Like the vines are coming out of the armor
rn all I have for weaknesses is fire 10
heavy fulcrum
because a semi-weakness to water that causes them to be slowed but healed as the vines overgrow and constrict their movements could be good
frank crystal
Oh that would be cool
heavy fulcrum
and then fire or slashing reverses it
maybe even quickening them? (with the neutral state being "slightly rosy")
pseudo puzzle boss
frank crystal
Im not sure I wanna do that because its not like the roses normally contrict its movement
Its just as much its body as its armor
But it could be a neat mechanic
heavy fulcrum
the quickening side is weaker conceptually
frank crystal
I think I will include it though
its really cool mechanically
I just probably want to make the damage that stops it easier to access though
I have a kineticist but they're air and earth
The only water damage they have access to will be a druid and idk if they'll take any water spells
barren cipher
I've been thinking about running PF with my friends, this would be my first time...
i think the core advice for gms, especially coming from adjacent systems, is generally:
- don’t muck about with the rules too much, if at all - almost everything in this game actually works
- make sure everyone has level appropriate treasure and runes, mostly runes, fundamental runes aren’t optional
- the encounter builder works, you should use it and “severe” and “extreme” mean what they say, with the notable exception of high difficulty solo encounters at early levels which tend to clean parties up fairly onesidedly
warm shadow
Thank you!
frank crystal
any NPCs that use gunblades base game?
worthy stump
not that i'm aware of off the top of my head. maybe Outlaws of Alkenstar would have one?
frank crystal
Is there anyway to search by sourcebook on AON?
heavy fulcrum
theres the sources section
which lists all the books on the archive and each lists everything from that book
frank crystal
oh sick
heavy fulcrum
(every page also lists a source at the top and you can use that to go to that books page)
frank crystal
Also for now I’ve got these mechanics for this boss
-
An attack that if it hits forces a fortitude save. Depending on the success you’re pulled in closer. If you end up adjacent you’re automatically grabbed.
-
A 2 action immobilize everyone on a reflex save. If you succeed it just makes you slower
-
A 60 ft aura of pollen that forces a fortitude save every turn. On a failure you’re dazzled. If you fail again you’re sickened 1. If you fail again you’re drained 1. If you continue to fail the drained continues until you die.
-
Some damage heals him but makes him slowed for a turn. Some damage does extra but makes him quickened for a turn.
I still do kinda feel like he needs, just a little more though
Like 1 or 2 extra mechanics
barren cipher
swallow whole if you’re big enough / thrash if you aren’t and you’re good to go i reckon
frank crystal
He is a large creature
and if anything "swallow whole" could just mean like, fully incase you in vines
also I think Ill give him a free action to do extra damage to any immobalized enemies
represent the thorns digging in
turbid dagger
Yeah Constrict would be good to look at
frank crystal
Oh yah I forgot that was like, a common action
turbid dagger
Got my fourth player for abomvaults
A temple sword monk who is Sword Nun
They are a former worshipper of Sarenrae who lost their faith after a freezing man their temple saved from the snow turned out to be the worshipper of an evil god, who killed everyone but her
She now worships Naraakas
Who is also into redemption but far more hardcore about it
surreal basin
Gonna do a fucked up eldritch body horror campaign
About a local lord discovering a fetal old one, getting corrupted by it, and also attracting the slowly intensifying attention of it’s parent
The baleful light of a nemesis Star causing madness and mutations
Taking heavy inspiration from Fear and Hunger Termina
limber comet
Ah...the evil fetus...
limber comet
Too bad being born would kill everyone
surreal basin
Yeah
Also requires massive amounts of ritual sacrifice
And the mind control shit it does to make that happen
Which isn’t really intentional on its part
It just absorbed the psychic impressions of its creators as their civilization was wiped out, which was mostly them wishing for it to survive and become great
rustic cape
Very magical
limber comet
Just need a tenner and you'll be ready to roll
frank crystal
I’m sure he will have a very normal time
Also very funny
One of my players who’s playing a sorcerer accidentally planned out a PF1E eidolon
Not realizing they were on the 1E version of AON
I was so confused when they asked about an emotional focus
turbid dagger
Like the summoner thing???
trail nova
… that’s not even an eidolon, that’s a spiritualist’s phantom.
turbid dagger
They're similar to be fair
Especially since they have been outright folded into summoner in 2e
surreal basin
Would you
Like to see my players token they made for their shoony necromancer
Because it’s something
frank crystal
… that’s not even an eidolon, that’s a spiritualist’s phantom.
Ah I didn’t even realize
They were trying to choose an undead eidolon though
So they may have just found the “spirit” option and thought that was it
turbid dagger
Skrinklus the Grim
frank crystal
What do y’all think is the best effect for summon Kaiju?
barren cipher
uh, it's hard to say really
fossil temple
Gonna put the statblock on this guy
I know it's a yugioh card for the background art alone XD good choice tho
frank crystal
Yah phantom knight bardiche
barren cipher
60' radius will save or stunned 3 is pretty all-purpose though
fossil temple
The normal player desire when they see clearly a monster art and go
"Ok how I would make this playable without homebrew"
unborn rain
The normal player desire when they see clearly a monster art and go
"Ok how I w...
That's just a skeleton druid
frank crystal
A bone Oracle
fossil temple
aha, see? Many good choices
what about skeleton swachbuckler ?
dex, light armor, looks somewhat mobile too
fossil temple
holyshit
clever cobalt
Two step ahead of yoiu
frank crystal
Starduster has already played them
fossil temple
Niiiiiiice
How is playing Magus btw? I never get it
clever cobalt
it's been a while, but I've enjoyed it
fossil temple
Neat, free archetype rule?
clever cobalt
Ye
turbid dagger
Magus is a class I really wanna play at some point
Twisting Tree Free Archetype Staff Acrobat would be cool
Pivot Strike to trip, hit and reposition, then Spellstrike
clever cobalt
Alas. Your staff needs to have parry
Which I don't think regular staffs have?
I just like Psychic because it gives you good spells
fossil temple
And great cantrips, right? I heard Psychic 'stuff' is it's emp thing
clever cobalt
And great cantrips, right? I heard Psychic 'stuff' is it's emp thing
And yeah
fossil temple
Nice, I should play Psychic one day too
and totally not make a skeleton psychic with illusions of granduer no sir
warped orbit
And great cantrips, right? I heard Psychic 'stuff' is it's emp thing
Imaginary Weapon is one of the best focus spells to Spellstrike with yeah
frank crystal
You can spellstrike with focus spells?
barren cipher
yeah
turbid dagger
You can spellstrike with focus spells?
Yep
If it's a spell that fits the prereqs you are good
frank crystal
Ah didn’t realize
fossil temple
oh damn
fossil temple
Imaginary Weapon is one of the best focus spells to Spellstrike with yeah
If i was to do the skell psychyc i was thinking more mindpowers than imaginary weapon but thanks!
turbid dagger
Now MIND
Focus spells should probably be saved for conflict recharge
warped orbit
It really depends
barren cipher
psychic archetype was, i assume, a reaction to magus and summoner archetypes being pretty mediocre and absolute bobbins respectively
warped orbit
Summoner is just stuck in a bad position
Because it can't really give the good stuff from Summoner, so it's just kinda stuck being kinda bas
barren cipher
i think you could give it act together and it would still be ok
as it is the only use case i've really come up with is exploration, which it's actually really good at in some edge cases
great infiltration buddy for a rogue
turbid dagger
I do have a funny idea for magus archetype
Which is taking a scroll thaum with weapon and tome, using raise a tome to turn the implement into a shield, and then Spellstriking with thaum scrolls
frank crystal
Horrifying
turbid dagger
Lets em frontline a lil bit more since they're basically rocking sword and board
warped orbit
Thaum being able to hold a scroll at the same time as an implement is so funny
I can't not think of it as the scroll just being horribly crumpled
frank crystal
So long as it’s legible
barren cipher
i think raise a tome might present some technical difficulties
but you can get striker's scroll at 8th anyway so who cares
turbid dagger
i think raise a tome might present some technical difficulties
How do you figure?
barren cipher
you'd have to like raise a tome later
or your raise falls off
as long as you put things in order you'd be fine, thinking about it
turbid dagger
Why would it? Your holding the book and the scroll in the same hand, its not like your swapping them out
You could also just hold the scroll in your weapon hand
barren cipher
i think you'd be wielding too many things
turbid dagger
Thaumaturges can use and hold scrolls with hands that are already busy with implements with scroll thaumaturgy