Pathfinder

[surreal basin]

Recall knowledge can be any skill with gm approval and you get a question on a success

[warped orbit]

that is much more workable

the Crafting I mean

though yeah the clarification on RK is also good

[frank crystal]

Oh nice

[unborn rain]

Evil Recall Knowledge with any stat without the GMs approval

[surreal basin]

Also aid dc is 15 now

[turbid dagger]

Does it still not scale and become an autopass after a certain point?
And thank heavens for RK changes

[warped orbit]

Good for lower levels

Though if it still doesn't scale by default that makes it even stronger later

[unborn rain]

I assume it'll be the same as it works now but the standards lower so the GM can make it higher or lower if they want

[surreal basin]

Yeah

Like tbh it does outright give u permission

But also I don’t think aid is that strong

The amount of skill overlap past expert in a party isn’t huge usually

And if someone uses a different skill to help then like

Cool

That’s a good moment

[unborn rain]

I mean, an extra 5 to 10 percent chance to succeed/crit is always useful

you're never gonna go "a 5% chance better to suceed no thanks"

[surreal basin]

Oh I mean I’m saying it’s very good

But I’m also saying that’s okay

[warped orbit]

it's mostly aiding on attack rolls that's very strong

Aiding can be a very strong way to utilize your reaction if you otherwise don't

[surreal basin]

You do have to spend an action tho don’t u

[echo briar]

Is RK still a secret roll? If so, what’s the crit success/failure effects?

[surreal basin]

Beforehand?

[warped orbit]

one action and reaction yes

but it's still a pretty good 3rd action if you're not using your reaction otherwise

[surreal basin]

Yeah fair

[warped orbit]

when you hit master skills at 7, getting a crit on Aid isn't too hard
and that's a +3 bonus

especially if you get some of Aid focused ancestry or archetype feats

[echo briar]

Does anyone know what warrior bard has now?

[surreal basin]

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone preview it so no

[warped orbit]

not yet

but there will be more coverage slowly over the next few weeks probably

[surreal basin]

Yeah there will

[frank crystal]

Are invisible creatures automatically undetected?

[warped orbit]

only to sight

[frank crystal]

I presume they’re at least hidden to creatures with non sight based perceptions?

[warped orbit]

yes

they are also probably undetected until they do anything else

[frank crystal]

Ah ok

[warped orbit]

but if you start moving around or doing stuff, you're probably only hidden to people who can hear you

[frank crystal]

Honestly I was thinking more of a smell based perception

Smaug type stuff

[warped orbit]

some monsters have imprecise smell

[frank crystal]

Yah

Also for the airship raid game, I’m kinda thinking I’m gonna include some archer guard NPCs as like, basic sentries on the airship

The party is level 2 so they’re not at all a threat

I just think it’d feel cool for them to easily cut down at least some of the security

Hmm, what if while they were raiding an airship, a sorta, Zenigata like figure crashes the fight?

Like some detective who’s been chasing the party obsessively for the last few years

[warped orbit]

so apparently, Thief works with unarmed attacks now in the remaster

so Martial Artist/Monk Thief is big stonks now

Ruffian is now also martial and advanced weapons with d6 dice or lower

[sinful gyro]

Unarmed attack ancestries eating good

[unborn rain]

Jaws based thief

[warped orbit]

they do still need to be finesse for Thief I think

[sinful gyro]

Does tengu have that?

[coral anvil]

The happiest and maddest goblin

[sinful gyro]

Tengu is finess yeah

[warped orbit]

tengu beak is finesse yeah

[sinful gyro]

Nice

[warped orbit]

Kashrishi is a big one I think

they can get a d6 finesse with a bunch of tags

[unborn rain]

Actually the most sane and saddest goblin (still very happy and mad [goblin lifestyle brings great power])

[sinful gyro]

Dogtooth to make it deadly d8

[unborn rain]

Kashrishi are a very cool ancestry

Their core thing makes them very versatile for making enemies

[coral anvil]

The little I've played of him, I'm loving my unbreakable Goblin Swashbuckler. They have a whip and no idea what gender is! They're a rubber ball of Meance!

[unborn rain]

Gender? Is that the Longshank version of the cage?

[frank crystal]

Oh shit martial and advanced?

[unborn rain]

Goblins are great, I adore them being the best weapon smiths in all of Golarian with just like some of the wackiest things around

[frank crystal]

Is getting advanced proficiency easier in the remaster as well or no?

[trail nova]

Really wish there was just a general feat that was "pick an advanced weapon. Treat it as martial for proficiency purposes"

Advanced Weapons aren't even that insane.

[frank crystal]

That’s exactly what I want too

I hope it’s in the remaster so much

[unborn rain]

Id personally prefer Advance weapons being like really fucking weird things which are really good if used in a specific way

[frank crystal]

I mean maybe but they’re not really that so for now they should just make them more accessible

[coral anvil]

They're hella fun.

Though I'm pretty certain my next character is going to be Human Nomad Kineticist

Probably Air/Earth, but maybe just straight air. May or may not go for a little familiar. Wind rat!

[turbid dagger]

HOLY MOLY
Fuckin
Stumbling Stance Thief Rogue lmao

[carmine egret]

hommina

fantastic fluff there too lol

[warped orbit]

yeah Thief Rogues with stances is gonna be huge I think

since most stances are better than any finesse weapon you could get

[carmine egret]

I can't believe Pathfinder is a wuxia game now

[turbid dagger]

For real tho
Got Exemplar on the horizon as well as that cultivation inspired Magus Hybrid study
So xianxia really

[carmine egret]

oh man are we getting unarmed magus?

I feel like Hybrid studies have a lot of room for different stuff, oddly it's lacking a generic baseline

[warped orbit]

we don't know what the Cultivator Magus is gonna do yet

[frank crystal]

Ok so for my airship raid one shot, it’s a level 6 party, and I’m kinda wondering how much HP the airship itself has

Because I do want that to be a legitimate threat to the players

That their airship might just fall apart

[turbid dagger]

Airships are actually statted out in this game as vehicles, so that may be a good place to start

[frank crystal]

Oh yah

Oh huh yah

There’s literally already stats for airships

[turbid dagger]

Now mind its uh
Level 12, has multiple hundreds of HP, and mad hardness
So accidentally breaking it may be out of a level 6 party's wheelhouse but

[frank crystal]

this was more for the enemies to do anyway lol

I was planning to give the enemy airships razing attacks

also heres the statblock for this games boss

she rides a wyvern

[turbid dagger]

Elf that only speaks Dwarven 🤔

[frank crystal]

Forgot to change her language lol

[surreal basin]

oh dragoon

[frank crystal]

Yup

just with a lot of extra wind magic

[surreal basin]

surprised you didn't give them a special jump attack action

[frank crystal]

I would but I honestly just like, don’t know how to word it tbh

[surreal basin]

Honestly just a one action leap and then attack with a bonus would be good imo

[frank crystal]

Probably yah

[barren cipher]

power attack essentially

if you want you can split it across rounds

traditionally you would be off the battlefield for a whole turn

you'd have to put it on some sort of limited use or recharge or something though

[turbid dagger]

When I did a dragoon build, it was a Staff Acrobat using a War Lance for Pivot Strike

[frank crystal]

Honestly I think it’s just easier to copy over pivot strike or sudden leap

It gets the idea across

Ok so I have her a sudden charge esc jump then attack action

With the addition of her getting a circumstance bonus to damage equal to the number of tiles she moved

I think I’ll also give her a passive where she can leap equal to her movement

[coral anvil]

Hmm, yep, Pathfinder 2E remains fun

THough i think i deffo wnat to play a Kineticist next over swashbuckler (just seems more my jam)

[turbid dagger]

Kineticist is pretty neat
Though I've had a hard time making character concepts I really like for it

[frank crystal]

I’m playing on rn

It’s very neat

[turbid dagger]

But the mechanical loop of weaving no-MAP Blasts and Save impulses together whips

Reminds me of how I play my Summoner

[frank crystal]

I’m unfortunately still level 3 though

So I don’t have access to the really interesting stuff yet

Only one save impulse and it’s a pretty basic AOE

[turbid dagger]

Its funny because like
My number 1 favorite offensive Impulse is level 1
Hail Of Splinters my beloved 😩

[coral anvil]

Cocnetuapply i have a loose idea ofgoing Human, Verstaile, Nomad as the background, and Air + something (MEtal, Earth and Wood all have tempting stuff)

[frank crystal]

I mean that’s the one I have lol

It’s just not overflow so action wise it’s just a 2 action AOE

Which is nice to have for sure

But not super interesting in terms of action management

[turbid dagger]

I'm p sure Hail is overflow?

The wood bleed shotgun

[frank crystal]

Ah

It is

I got it confused with the metal equivalent shard strike

A different AOE bleed impulse

That isn’t overflow

[frank crystal]

Hmm, so I wanted the idea of a Zenigata like figure for the players

A cop utterly obsessed with catching the PCs, and I think I may actually steal from my ideas for if they were the defenders for the one shot

Bringing in that young white dragon

Just making them a piece of shit bounty hunter

[unborn rain]

That's a very scary crit

[coral anvil]

I'm def gonna have to keep my eyes peeled for a pathfinder 2e game to play in, i'd like to play more

[sinful gyro]

I managed to join one on their discord

[coral anvil]

Who's discord?

[sinful gyro]

The pf2e discord

[clever cobalt]

PF2e Reddit Discord?

[sinful gyro]

yeah

[clever cobalt]

Cause that's the largest PF2e discord iirc

Ah cool

[clever cobalt]

What're you looking for exactly, if I may ask?

[coral anvil]

I'd like to find some sort of campaign, longer term, something where i can sink my teeth into the system and play from 1-whatever. Strength of Thousands or similar sounds very cool.

So... pretty flexible, really!

Bascially, the taste i've had so far from playing in the meance under otari has been fun enough i'd like to do more

Really the main considerations are "Timezone that works for me" + people i get along with, and the first is... well, easily selctable for, the second one is w/e and hard to garuntee when you're looking online, but i'm genrally good at grokking if i'll get along with folks or not

[coral anvil]

Why do you ask?

[clever cobalt]

Just curious

I do have some games I'm in that need players but they're paid and I doubt that interests you

One is also Kingmaker and the other a 1e adaption

...so they're both 1e adaptions

But still

[coral anvil]

I simply don't have the finacial werewitthal to shell out for paid games, sadly

Esp not when they're usally paid in USD and weekly.

[clever cobalt]

Yeah totally fair

[coral anvil]

would be a very signfianct chunk of my weekly budget (The life ofa disabled beneficariy)

[clever cobalt]

Just thought I'd offer

[coral anvil]

Appreciated

[true delta]

Ok, friends and fiends: Am I getting this right that if you start your movement outside a creature's reach (and possible even end the movement outside its reach), you can still get hit if any of your movement goes from a space within their reach to any other space? Sorry about the long sentence.

[sinful gyro]

That sounds right yeah

[barren cipher]

if they have an appropriate reaction yeah

most people don't

[sinful gyro]

Yeah they need to have Attack of Oppertunity

Which is not common

[true delta]

Okay, thank you!

[warped orbit]

yes, because leaving a space within reach is also part of the trigger for AoO

that's why approaching an enemy with reach and AoO is so dangerous

[true delta]

Okay, and moving into the first tile of reach and stopping would not occur opportunity attacks, right?

[warped orbit]

yep

it triggers when you start a move action in reach, or leave a threatened space

[upbeat ridge]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but reactions that trigger on another creature moving usually trigger when a creature leaves a square

[unborn rain]

yeah figure two, they leave a space within reach to another space within reach but still get hhit

[frank crystal]

Can you be a cleric of the atheistic faiths?

[heavy fulcrum]

yes

[frank crystal]

Cool

[heavy fulcrum]

well... technically

you'll note something significant about Atheism and the other deity-less faiths

no Devotee Benefits

no Font, no Skill, no Favored Weapon, no Domains and no Cleric Spells

[frank crystal]

Oh

So you’re just

A gimped cleric

[heavy fulcrum]

the worst cleric, yeah

as the book says, those faiths generally have other classes as leaders instead of clerics

[unborn rain]

There's a reason it's not wide spread, all the clerics are sad

[heavy fulcrum]

Clerics can work with allied faiths and philosophies, but the organizations here turn to other classes—such as sorcerers with divine bloodlines, druids, or monks—to serve as their leaders. These faiths and philosophies don’t have an external godhead that offers benefits to devotees.

[frank crystal]

Hmm, I wonder actually

Summoners have access to light armor

And my summoner doenst actually have a high enough dex to reach his armor’s cap

And because it has the flexible trait my character not reaching the strength requirements for it doesn’t actually matter

I think the armored coat is legit the best armor I can take

Wait Nevermind summoners aren’t trained in light armor

Only unarmored

[frank crystal]

Hmm, I feel like if I played a rogue I’d play Ruffian

But I also feel like if I should play rogue I should go for a racket that focuses on being a rogue rogue

Instead of the racket that lets you play the least rogue rogue

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-meme-memes-gif-24277198

I have the remaster

[sinful gyro]

Nice

[frank crystal]

LETS GOOOOOO

[echo briar]

any new gnome feats?

[thorny berry]

more spoilers and so on going up in the reddit

warrior bard can extend inspire courage by striking, cool

and apparently the warpriest-specific feats are pretty juiced

[craggy thunder]

is this a playtest or?

[turbid dagger]

I prefer dirge as the go to composition for warrior bare but that's still sick

[turbid dagger]

Preorders are starting to come in

[unborn rain]

Oh that's so lit, like a real combination of muse and gameplay instead "martial prof"

[eager mountain]

https://bsky.app/profile/legalizegoblins.bsky.social/post/3kd3codq6yw2u

[eager mountain]

havent checked yet

[barren cipher]

gnome feats were pretty good anyway i think

[silver geyser]

I don't think I like the Lamashtu change

[upbeat ridge]

nice. good change.

[eager mountain]

why is that ?

[silver geyser]

It feels a bit like they're white washing Lamashtu. Filing off her less unpleasant edges, making her palatable. Like they're trying to make her less of a horrible person, one who's ok to worship. It reminds of the historical revisions of awful people throughout history

[surreal basin]

Okay but like

How would you feel if golarion had a god of homophobia

Whose anathema was helping gay people

Like this god is not just “an unpleasant person”

It’s a part of the setting that doesn’t really fit the vibe anymore, and is kinda a weird bigot god in a fucked way in a lot of people’s eyes

I don’t mean this like, as an attack on you or anything

Just, that’s absolutely the perspective Paizo and a lot of the fanbase are coming from

[silver geyser]

Those are not equivalent things though.

[turbid dagger]

Got a screenshot of Warrior Muse's New Thing now
A little sad it only applies to those three compositions but still seems like great action econ

[loud canyon]

I mean, the phrasing of "mental illness or deformity" is... questionable, even if I agree that the change is sanding off rough edges where it might not strictly need to

[surreal basin]

Yeah also that phrasing is

I would say unintentionally offensive

[silver geyser]

The phrasing they have given this change is awful

"Don't change what makes you different" is so commonly used as a positive message that having it on someone as manipulative and gross as Lamashtu is just.... a bad message imo

[surreal basin]

I just think her pre-remaster state isn't really suitable as a core diety

it reads like

from a book about super evil gods

not a person who is supposed to be a central part of the setting

[turbid dagger]

I think they are trying to like
Make her slightly more nuanced
Hence the last line of her little blurb about some finding a sense of community
And like
Yeah that kind of clashes with her previous depictions
But her previous depictions were fucking gross
And not even in the usual internet way of 'morally reprehensible' gross, though they were that also
They were just nasty, and a mostly undesirable holdover from the sucky edgy pf1e days

[loud canyon]

I will be super frank and say I don't like the old phrasing at all cause, like... "don't treat mental illness or deformity" is drawing a circle around specific traits as being an illness or a deformity, and declaring "if you don't want to 'solve' this part of you, you are in line with the fucked up monster deity"

[scenic patio]

It some be about being your “objectively worse self” rather than something direct pure say

Tldr true good deity’s in a setting should see past the frankstein monster paradox i.e harmful othering to see the “good nature” of one’s soul

[silver geyser]

And they do

[surreal basin]

Also

My strength of thousands party almost had a very weird PC death

Where someone slowly died from a curse that they had no reason to expect and needed high level spells

So that was sick

[eager mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SpX-G-uPz-k?feature=share

[turbid dagger]

Curses and long term disease (which my char has faced both of in our own game) feel a little funny in SOT
Because like
Surely one of the teachers can cast remove disease/curse

[surreal basin]

oh yeah i let them go back to the magaambya and get it healed for free

but it was still close

[craggy thunder]

Did whips get any sort of changes?

[silver geyser]

But wouldn't those things still violate the anathema

[eager mountain]

?

not really ?

I mean I guess if you are REALLY hard on the interpretration

oh wow they really get to the setting QUICK

golarion is on page 31

[frank crystal]

I mean I kinda get what Mourge is saying

[eager mountain]

i mean i do too

[frank crystal]

I get the intent of the change and PF2E’s writing is way better overall

But it definitely feels like, sanded down with how just, viscerally bad Lhamitsu is as a god

It definitely needed a change but I don’t think this was it

[eager mountain]

anyone whos lookig into the remaster, What exactly changed about fighter?

[craggy thunder]

I may just give the idea of 'purity' enough side-eye as it is to not view at least that part of Lamashtu's thing as that bad

[eager mountain]

ye

[frank crystal]

Yah I just think the new anathema sounds way to nice tbh

[craggy thunder]

'revels in the corruption of the pure'

'I mean fuck, so do I'

[eager mountain]

lol

[frank crystal]

Like it sounds way to normally encouraging with what Lhamitsu’s deal is

[eager mountain]

lol the example ranger has a dinosaur

LOOK AT THAT FUNKY LIL GUY

[frank crystal]

Little itty bitty raptor

He’s going to maul demon lords to death in the coming months

[eager mountain]

lookin at witch

HOLY FUCK 10 cantrips!?

thats alot of cantrips

but then agian I mostly play sorcerer

[frank crystal]

HUH?!

Holy shit move over psychic

Witch is the cantrip class now

[eager mountain]

actualy wait no this isnt a change

it seems, idk

cross checking with the archives of nethys

[heavy fulcrum]

yeah its the same

[frank crystal]

Oh

Well Nevermind then

[heavy fulcrum]

witches start with a lot of spells known

[frank crystal]

Psychic is still the cantrip class

[heavy fulcrum]

but they have normal slots

[frank crystal]

Ahhh

[eager mountain]

ah ok they can only prepare about 5 of thos cantrips at a time

[frank crystal]

Yah I misunderstood that then

[heavy fulcrum]

5 0th, 3 1st at first

same as the wizard

(both known and slots)

[frank crystal]

Hmm, if I wanted to trap my players in a magic bubble

What would be the spell to use?

[warped orbit]

do you just want to trap them, or trap them in like a dome but they can still do stuff?

if the former, Resilient Sphere

[echo briar]

https://2e.aonprd.com/Spells.aspx?ID=255

[frank crystal]

The latter

Just a big dome that they can do stuff in

But can’t leave

At least not easily

[barren cipher]

you don't need to limit yourself with published spells or anything

[warped orbit]

Wall of Force is a classic
but also what Pilcrow said yeah

[barren cipher]

bake it into a hazard i'd say

[frank crystal]

I know but I like to stick to published spells for something like an enemy spellcasters

I never like throwing something they would have no way to know of at them randomly

So I try and find something official before I make something myself

[eager mountain]

ok im loving how evocative these fuckin descriptions are

I like that shit

[frank crystal]

Are patrons all completely reworked or just flavor wise reworked?

[barren cipher]

jeez, witch familiars are going to get absolutely splattered

[eager mountain]

theres other stuff about them like givingyour familiar abilities

see thats some of the stuff for the ressentment

[thorny berry]

yeah, like

the fact that they seemed to have gone in on a lot of positioning stuff without really doing anything about the fact that familiars just Die is

a choice

and yes your dm CAN be nice about targeting and all, but they shouldn't need to be

[frank crystal]

Oh cool

[barren cipher]

yeah, i feel like using your familiar is going to have to be a choice

[eager mountain]

fair I guess

[barren cipher]

the shadow one is at least reasonably safe

but, hoho, my familiar is prolonging your synaesthesia

[frank crystal]

I mean do they have anything to buff familiar’s health now?

[warped orbit]

that is the main issue I see yeah

[barren cipher]

you are 100% going to have to absolutely obliterate it with extreme prejudice if you have the brainpower to do that

[thorny berry]

that and the number of +1/-1 status stuff that seems likely to be outclassed at higher levels it just kinda feels like sorc bloodlines again

[barren cipher]

but honestly that is quite probably a good trade

[warped orbit]

familiars are still squishy, but you are now actually incentivized to have them close to enemies

[eager mountain]

how about the knife

[warped orbit]

flight is probably gonna be really important for something like Resentment familiar

[barren cipher]

it ain't quite stunned 1 but i'll take a familiar absorbing a strike

[warped orbit]

you do have Phase Familiar I guess

[barren cipher]

you can also just pop invisibility on it

that'll probably help

[turbid dagger]

How easily can a witch bring their familiar back?

[warped orbit]

comes back every day

[barren cipher]

they come back every morning free of charge

[eager mountain]

ooo

[turbid dagger]

Hm, so just Allowing Them To Die is probably inefficient

[barren cipher]

trading them for a strike is probably worth it

if it's a scary thing doing the strike

[thorny berry]

once a day

eh

[eager mountain]

OOO

[thorny berry]

I dunno I wasn't a big witch booster before and I'm not now but I'm glad they're at least somewhat better for their target audience

[frank crystal]

I’m mostly worried about AOE’s tbh

[eager mountain]

das alot of potions

[frank crystal]

Like I can at least not target my witch’s familiar to not be an ass with weapons

But like, if an enemy casts fireball

That’s a big area it’s covering

[barren cipher]

i mean if the familiar is doing work you should target it in my view

[frank crystal]

Yah but that’s mean

[barren cipher]

then the witch shouldn't make their pokemon fight

[turbid dagger]

I wouldn't say so
Your enemy is sinking actions into getting rid of an effect instead of doing permanent damage, thats something your player will probably feel useful doing

[barren cipher]

i'm not saying 'deliberately kill the familiar at the start of the adventuring day for maximum efficiency'

(unless they're going up against well-informed assassins or something)

[turbid dagger]

That said, unless familiars became notably beefier in the remaster I still see them being most useful as high fantasy versions of those little spider leg spy cameras you see in stuff like Rainbow Six

[warped orbit]

I just think incentivizing putting the familiar in danger and giving fairly strong payoffs is a bit at odds with how fragile familiars are

[eager mountain]

lol animal companions

[barren cipher]

yeah, they're expendable though

[frank crystal]

Honestly I kinda messed up with my players familiars in a one shot. He used it to cast multiple spells a turn when he was playing a level 3 character

[eager mountain]

yeah witch familiar bascially comes back every day but I guess it dependso n how much you want that familiar to be around

[warped orbit]

sort of expandable, because if they die you lose a large part of your class features for the rest of the day

[eager mountain]

I think somethings up with t his wolf

[frank crystal]

That’s a weird looking wolf

Somebody left their weird wolf around

[eager mountain]

😄 BIRD CAT

[warped orbit]

normal wolf

[barren cipher]

well, you might, so if you are investing in stuff like stitched familiar you should be playing differently

[frank crystal]

Someone get their wolf back it’s dangerous

It could bite someone

[eager mountain]

OH MY GOD LOOK AT THAT WIERD LIL DUDE

[frank crystal]

Why is it looking at me like that?

I don’t like that

[barren cipher]

that is a spectacularly square-jawed wolf

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/you-see-it-is-part-plan-explain-gif-20448886

[frank crystal]

Me and the bad bitch I pulled by having ADHD

[eager mountain]

when your wife turns into Sarenrae to save you from death

[craggy thunder]

This feels extremely apropos considering I just got diagnosed today but they are both asleep lmao

[frank crystal]

Lol

Probably for the best you don’t wake them up for my shitty joke yah

[upbeat ridge]

YOOOOOO

[thorny berry]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/17kzpub/the_eldritch_trickster_racket_is_just_gone/

oh

well

I guess that answers that question

[craggy thunder]

welp lmao

[eager mountain]

is it ?

[thorny berry]

I mean I can't say I'm sure how you would rework it to not be a trap option, but

[craggy thunder]

Isn’t it basically just rendered null by the free archetype rule?

[thorny berry]

not particularly

you'd just spend your free archetype on something else

iirc for free archetype the archetype lockouts for your main class feats and your free archetype feats are tracked separately, ET would be the first

so at 2 you'd get your, idk, sorc dedication and then separately take medic or whatever

[turbid dagger]

A lil sad I suppose but uhhhhh
Play Laughing Shadow Magus Instead

[warped orbit]

It wasn't really that good anyway tbh

[turbid dagger]

Yeah that's sort of what I meant
There's a class that does sneaky arcane martial much better so not a lot is lost

[surreal basin]

Do subscribers get PDFs early or just the physical copies

[solar storm]

they get pdfs when the books are marked as shipped so usually 2-3 weeks early

interesting to see Lamashtu's changes

[eager mountain]

yeah we were talking about how Avi mentioned it earlier

[solar storm]

Avi?

[eager mountain]

https://bsky.app/profile/legalizegoblins.bsky.social/post/3kd3codq6yw2u

the lead editor of paizo

[eager mountain]

https://youtu.be/ZW3kw_P7Tvo

[unborn rain]

Man I wish I got an epic mouth of my stumouch to help with depression

I think the change to Lamashtu makes the sort of, main line of Lamashtu worshipers shown so far sort of funny retroactively

Like, you don't have to be like which means you're probably just choosing to

[coral anvil]

To be fair, you don't have to be a monster you're choosing to is a classic.

And depressingly realistic

[clever cobalt]

Ok Lamashtu is somewhat cooler now

Still a very uh

Icky goddess all around though

Unless they changed some of her other aspects

[eager mountain]

yep

[clever cobalt]

Anyways uh

Playing a Gnoll raised by Humans in the Riverlands, in my upcoming Kingmaker game

They're a (Nephilim) Gnoll Exemplar

They also worship Erastil

Either Erastil or Abadar

Not sure who makes a better patron for a Gnoll raised by Human farmers

[unborn rain]

Everyone in Kingmaker fucking loves Erastil

For like normal villagers Erastils more popular

[clever cobalt]

Mhm

Then it would probably make more sense for her to worship Erastil then

Kingmaker is a bit weird cause it's ambigious what time period it takes place in

So you can easily place it in either the 1e or 2e time periods

I don't think any of the 2e lore developments acknowledge it? Could be wrong though

[unborn rain]

I doubt there'd be much like specific stuff because the kingdom you makes very different for like each campaign

[clever cobalt]

Yeah

It makes sense for them to not acknowledge it

And it's probably for the best?

[unborn rain]

I also don't know how much 1e grosseness they've put out of it

[clever cobalt]

Hard to say

I'm not familiar with 1e Kingmaker much

Nor did I play the Video Game

Though I do trust 2e-Era Paizo more than 1e-Era Paizo

1e Golarion was Edgy Forgotten Realms

[unborn rain]

It's quite like, colonial as it goes on. Like increasingly you are displacing people who live there because they're 'monsterous races' and stuff.

I assume in the 2e version they make it a lot better though

[clever cobalt]

2e (and latter 1e to an extent) was when Golarion really started to shine imo

[unborn rain]

And because of how the games progression work you're like fighting increasingly organised and powerful people. Which is really feels bad

[clever cobalt]

IIRC there is still some level of that but I think that's inescapable due to how the game works

Though you definitely recruit a lot of locals, Monstrous or not, as opposed to wipe them out

[unborn rain]

yeah I think it's a lot better in an actual campaign of it than like a videogame

because a videogame has less choices by medium

[clever cobalt]

Yeah

I also think when yore going into "unsettled" Lands to make a Kingdom, some level of colonialism is gonna be unavoidable

Even with the best intentions

[unborn rain]

because in a videogame if you don't want to do something you still have to

But in a campaign you can find different solutions and actual be chill

[clever cobalt]

Yeah

IIRC some of the people you wipe out in 1e you actually recruit in 2e, or at least are given the option to

Though I forget specifics and could be wrong

[unborn rain]

That makes sense, it's a cool campaign though. The core sort of mysteries pretty fun

[clever cobalt]

The only specific that comes to mind is ||the lamashtu goblins, who iirc you wipe out in 1e but help and ally with in 2e||

[clever cobalt]

And yeah, there's very few games that do Kingdom Building well

So I think that's one of the big appeals of it

It isn't perfect but jt does it decently

Which is more than can be said most of the time

[unborn rain]

The kingdom building in the kingmaker video game is very fun

And the game keeps having to force me to go do quests because I just want to sim city

[clever cobalt]

Fun

But yeah, my characters goal in-game is to uh

Make a peaceful place anyone can be accepted

Sorta like Oprak but less exclusive

Of course tolerance has its limits but

You get what i mean

Being a Gnoll raises by Humans, I think that makes sense for them to have a motivation of "I want to make a place for outcasts to feel safe" or something similar

I just gotta figure out and justify why they're an Exemplar though :v

[unborn rain]

Yeah it has good weight behind it from a background perspective as a ideology

[clever cobalt]

Yeah

I would hope so lol

[unborn rain]

I mean, Exemplar's kind of just happen iirc

Maybe if you give them some like, Folk Hero type vibes.

[clever cobalt]

I'm also looking at Republic as the Government type

[clever cobalt]

And yeah, that could work

Maybe sorta like how some Kingdom's founders are borderline (if not outright) mythological figures

Both IRL and in Golarion

[unborn rain]

Local village person who helps everyone who gets divine power and then goes "Oh lit I can use this to help a whole bunch of people"

[clever cobalt]

Yeah, was thinking of something like that

[unborn rain]

Founders of any nation or state become mythologised

[clever cobalt]

Dunno how they got a divine spark but I guess we'll figure that out when we get there

Or just leave it ambiguous

[unborn rain]

Kingdoms more so because they often had divine right of kings, so they were already sort of mythologised a bit

You could leave it ambiguous and then build on it later on

[clever cobalt]

Yeah true

If I don't go Exemplar I'll go Fighter

But Exemplar is most likely

Fighter also makes sense in the context IMO, cause of how the Riverlands work and just generally it fits the character archetype

But Folk Hero stuff meshes very well with Exemplar

Could maybe even fluff it as like, innate power ala Occult magic

Why does their strength defy natural laws? Because they're just that cool

[unborn rain]

Folk Hero is also like, good for legitemacy of the kingdom. And makes it more chill, where it's like "Oh blank from blank, yeah they're really cool. I'll accept them being in government" instead of like "a bunch of people from Brevoy coming over and declaring themselves king"

[clever cobalt]

Yeah

I like how this is coming together honestly

It's meshing together well

[unborn rain]

it's a very cool character concept which fits into the campaign well

[clever cobalt]

Yeah!

It makes sense for a local to establish a kingdom there as opposed to Armed Adventurers From The East

Like you said

My Mind is also drifting a bit towards the Monad

Sec

Not necessarily in the sense of Worshipping the Monad so much as like

KSBD Royalty i guess?

A sorta subtle level of enlightment empowering themselves

Dunno how to explain it

They may not even realize they're doing it, they just do what they're doing

Hope that makes some sense outside of my head :v

[unborn rain]

This conversation has stuck that one Sea shanty that was popular on tik tok in my head after thinking about folk songs

[clever cobalt]

Oh?

Regardless

I'm really vibing with this idea

[frank crystal]

It’s a free action to switch grips from 2 hands to 1 hand right?

[true delta]

Wouldn't that kinda be the same action as "Release"?

Feel like it, at least.

[frank crystal]

Yah I’m just not sure

[worthy stump]

It would be, yeah, Release is a free action

[frank crystal]

Alright

[frank crystal]

I really hope we get to see some of the new starfinder weapons

Primarily because soldier seems very weapon reliant

And it’s hard to judge what I’m seeing without seeing the weapons soldier will use

[frank crystal]

Does disarm require a free hand?

[warped orbit]

By default yes

Just like the rest of the maneuvers

[frank crystal]

Damn

[warped orbit]

Get a weapon with Disarm if you wanna do it with your hands full

[thorny berry]

Mambele finally gets its time to shine

[silver geyser]

Free hand is pretty great

[warped orbit]

Free hand got buffed even

Maneuvers inherit agile now, and free hand has it for everything

[frank crystal]

oh nice

[light gyro]

Is there a way to get maneuvers whilst two-handing a sword so I can get on my weeaboo bullshit

[warped orbit]

Get a sword with maneuver traits

[light gyro]

Huh, wish blade

[solar storm]

Ok got my remaster pdfs

[solar tendon]

ranger was in core 1 right

[solar storm]

yeah

[solar tendon]

haven't heard anything about them

[warped orbit]

Not too much changed for Ranger I assume

[clever cobalt]

I'm still waiting on mine v_v

Or rather payment failed so I have to wait again

How do the Nephilim look?

[solar storm]

Crossbow ace changed

[solar storm]

Seems neat

There's a bunch of kinds of them

(Every main kind of outsider)

[clever cobalt]

I would ask if you could send pics but uh

No rush

[warped orbit]

So they just put all the lineages into Nephilim

Which is pretty good really

Wonder if there'll be some funky combination of previous aasimar and tiefling feats

[solar storm]

the fact that I mostly run pf2 and don't play it that much makes me poorly suited for this evaluation haha

[echo briar]

Why does angelkin give you a language and not hellspawn, when both are a skill and a skill feat otherwise?

[sinful gyro]

cowboycowboycowboycowboy

[warped orbit]

Lots of languages is just the gimmick for angelkin

[fast hill]

So what are the nephilim about?

They replacing tieflings and aasimar?

[warped orbit]

Yeah

It seems to just combine both into one versatile ancestry

It's because tieflimg and aasimar are DnD things

[solar storm]

Ok yeah they didn't change ranger much

Gravity Weapon et al got replaced as feats with a more general "Warden Initiate" feat which does the same thing

[coral anvil]

Lots of languages is a fun gimmick/suits the whole divine Messenger thing

[solar storm]

Hunter's Aim got a small but real buff where it ignores lesser cover now

[sinful gyro]

Nice

Reminder that shooting through allies / enemies is lesser cover

[worthy stump]

that's one of the rules i forget about the most tbh, lmao

[sinful gyro]

Yeah it's a buff if your Gm uses the rule 😛

neat

[solar storm]

Can this... trigger itself?

[worthy stump]

it certainly doesn't say it can't

recall knowledge on the whole enemy lineup in one go

[sinful gyro]

I'd imagine it's supposed to only happen once

[charred patrol]

chain enlightening

[sinful gyro]

Ah wait, how many hunted prey can you have?

[worthy stump]

yeah, stuff like this usually has a clause saying it only happens once

oh right, yeah

[sinful gyro]

Isn't it only 1 (until a higher level lets you take another one?)

[worthy stump]

usually only one, afaik

[solar storm]

Oh yeah that's the limiter haha

[worthy stump]

yeah

[solar storm]

I missed that

[sinful gyro]

No worries

I think at high levels you can take more than one but I'm not sure

And if so, I'd let that stack

[solar storm]

Yeah I think it would in that case

[warped orbit]

You'd need to have the feat to get multiple Prey for it to chain

[turbid dagger]

It's been around since the original APG I think

It's already on nethys and lists that as the source

[solar storm]

Oh, that's what I get for looking at crb stuff haha

[sinful gyro]

It's better yeah

[warped orbit]

Seems the same functionally

[solar storm]

Oh interesting Penetrating Shot lost open

[sinful gyro]

How's witch looking? Cos I think they're getting the most changes

[worthy stump]

they got rid of Open across the board, iirc

[sinful gyro]

Ye

Open is no longer a thing iirc

[solar storm]

ah makes sense

[solar storm]

I can poke at it next I'm doing ranger first cause someone asked and I've got a new player who just made one like a week ago haha

[warped orbit]

Open was removed yeah
Didn't really matter much anyway

[sinful gyro]

No worries

[warped orbit]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/17l7ox8/witch_remaster_changes_hexes/

[sinful gyro]

Thanks

[solar storm]

I think we knew this already but all the snare feats are gone

Since I think that's moving to archetype

[warped orbit]

The biggest changes seem to be the new familiar stuff from your Patron

[sinful gyro]

All of the hex cantrips lose the 1-minute immunity to the hex

praise

[warped orbit]

They said snares will be in Core 2 IIRC

[worthy stump]

that's where most archetypes will be, so makes sense

[warped orbit]

Witch does seem better now

Though the balance between Patrons seems a bit lopsided at times

The Occult ones have some insane abilities

[sinful gyro]

As long as there's some good witches now

[warped orbit]

Oh also supposedly Synesthesia is not in the Player Core

But you can still keep using any old spells that aren't explicitly reprinted differently so it's a bit weird

No changes to Slow either, thankfully

[solar storm]

Huh targeting shot is just gone I think

I guess its a pretty minor upgrade over the level 2 version anyway

[barren cipher]

yeah i am not desperately confident in the change to wounded/dying

it isn't that hard to die as it is

[sinful gyro]

afaik it's unclear what the intended change is

Rules lawyer is saying the wording is inconsistent

[barren cipher]

that's a good feat but it seems incredibly late

[solar storm]

yeah

[solar tendon]

one thing thats kinda fun abt that

is I think you can go like

hunt prey -> monster hunter -> hunter's luck -> warden's reload

maybe not since the warden's reload isn't an interrupting type free action

[solar storm]

Oh wait I think we heard about this

But its neat

[clever cobalt]

So Druids can use metal now?

[solar storm]

yeah

I vaguely remember it from an early preview but I like it anyway

[warped orbit]

Yeah I'm really not a fan personally, it makes even Wounded 1 extremely deadly already

[echo briar]

It also makes healing more likely to kill someone

Which is just counter intuitive

[solar storm]

I am confused what the issue is here

The rule looks the same to me

[barren cipher]

every time your dying increases you also add wounded

[echo briar]

It was very, very vague before.

[barren cipher]

not just when you gain dying for the first time

there were like three conflicting rules in different places because they are pretty bad at editing

[echo briar]

Most people assumed that the “correct” way was too harsh to be true

[warped orbit]

so if you are Wounded 1, and you go down you go to Dying 2
if you now increase your Dying for any reason, it's increased by 1 from your Wounded

so you go to Dying 4 and die

[solar storm]

Oh yeah that's a little faster

I've never actually seen a PC wound out so I'm not that worried about it

[echo briar]

It also makes wounded 2 kinda pointless

[barren cipher]

wounded 2 is to kill people with diehard i guess

[echo briar]

Orcish ferocity seems like a trap option now

You become wounded 1 at 1 hp, so if you take any damage you are one bad save away from death

Or just taking damage a second time

[barren cipher]

if you consider that you were gonna fall over anyway then it's not so bad

but if it keeps you upright to take the next hit in that multiattack then yeah

[solar tendon]

fast healing is a lot more risky now too

which is a shame cause it was like the one thing battle oracle has going for it skjfdfh

[solar storm]

It doesn't seem like this would effect fast healing to me?

Since you're bouncing off of 0 anyway

Instead of spending more time down making recovery checks

[solar tendon]

it's more just that you get to the point of 'another hit will kill me while I'm down' much quicker

and at low amounts fast healing is a lot more useful for yoyoing than for the amount of hp its giving you

although I guess you're still not worrying about dying from a failed check so it's still useful yeah

[solar storm]

No I mean

The change is that failed recovery checks increase wounded

But someone with fast healing just loses Dying at the start of their turn

[solar tendon]

isn't the change that wounded affects all dying gain and not just the initial amount?

[warped orbit]

yes

[solar storm]

Oh I misread that or its unclear

I read that as failing a recovery check gives you wounded 2

[warped orbit]

it's also technically not a change, there is some evidence it was supposed to work like this all along

[solar storm]

in addition to dying 2

[warped orbit]

still think its dumb though

[warped orbit]

no if you're Wounded 1 and you take damage while Dying, you increase your Dying by 2

which also means you're dead

unless you have Diehard

[clever cobalt]

Don't you die at dying 4?

Or dying 5 with diehard

[solar storm]

you do yeah

[solar tendon]

if you're wounded 1 it means you go down with dying 2 and then take another 2 brings you to 4

[warped orbit]

yes
if you're Wounded 1 and you get downed, you start at Dying 2
if you now increase your Dying for any reason, you go to Dying 4 and die

[clever cobalt]

Ah fun

[warped orbit]

with Diehard, it would now take two Dying increases to die at Wounded 1
at Wounded 2 everyone still dies in one anyway

[surreal basin]

I’m gonna be honest I’m not gonna run this

The wounded rules I mean

I’m gonna continue to have it only add to the dying level you start at when you fall unconscious

This is way too harsh imo

[solar storm]

I kinda like it

I've thought that pf2's dying rules were a little safe feeling as a gm during sessions before

[echo briar]

I feel like one of them should be an optional rule in the GMG

[surreal basin]

Yeah

oh is GM core out?

Do these come out at the same time?

[solar storm]

Yeah

[surreal basin]

Damn okay

My friend usually gets these early but doesn’t have the cash rn so I will simply live off Reddit posts and y’all

[solar storm]

A lot of "ok so you passed your first recovery check so you're not really at risk and then got healed for 50% max HP" "So I gotta do this 2 more times"

[surreal basin]

Speaking of if one of y’all with the books could look at the Warpriest only feats for me

Also also

[sinful gyro]

I think they're out for folks who get pre-orders

[surreal basin]

That’s fair but someone did the math

And if you’re wounded 1 you only have a 27% chance of stabilizing

Which is bananas

[solar storm]

That is pretty low yeah

[clever cobalt]

Yeah that's not good

[surreal basin]

I feel like it kinda encourages booking it once someone gets wounded

[clever cobalt]

Waaay too punishing compared to what jt is

[surreal basin]

Because going down again becomes a huge risk

[solar storm]

Or just being diligent about healing before they make the check

[surreal basin]

Which Yknow it should be in some aspects

[solar storm]

Since the rest of the party ought to get a turn before they make one

[surreal basin]

But also idk, I personally feel like while I’ve never had a pc death I’ve had enough close calls

[warped orbit]

it means healing people for small amounts is a big risk now

if they go down

[surreal basin]

Yeah

It does have this weird thing where healing someone can be a bad thing

And you might wanna let them stay unconscious and try to stabilize rather than stay in the fight

If they’re at wounded 0

[solar storm]

I think that was already true its just a little more acute now

[warped orbit]

it was yeah, I just think it's a lot more severe now

[solar storm]

Usually you wanna blow something big on someone at 0

[warped orbit]

this also makes persistent damage even more dangerous

[surreal basin]

Oh yeah for sure

Wounded 3 is also kinda weirdly superfluous now

Since wounded 2 is already a death sentence if you go down with it and fail a roll once

Idk I just think this should be a variant rule personally

Especially since when this came up as a potential intended rule before most people said they wouldn’t run it this way

Looks at how APs use severe encounters

Hey Paizo have you read this book

[unborn rain]

so the thing about that advice is that

Severe threat fights are really fun and cool

[warped orbit]

I mean it's not saying never do Severe fights

[silver geyser]

It's saying use them carefully, which they do.

[warped orbit]

just that you should be careful with it, because they are actually dangerous

[surreal basin]

I do still eventually wanna run a severe encounter with a bunch of exclusively pl-4 guys

Just have players cutting through an army

[worthy stump]

the casters will have a field day with that one

[solar storm]

I think that situation is where troops start looking pretty compelling

[surreal basin]

Yeah of course pl-4 troops

:3

[turbid dagger]

Dynasty Warriors

[solar storm]

I guess you can do that at level 8

with a shambler troop

[surreal basin]

Oh this would be like

Endgame lol

The kinda time when it’d be appropriate for your players to cut swathes through armies

[turbid dagger]

Though Dead Rising through 6 shambler swarms sounds fun

[solar storm]

I think level 8 is ok for just fighting a really unreasonable number of basic shamblers yeha

[solar storm]

It'd be 12 for a severe haha

[surreal basin]

Lmao yeah

[solar storm]

This does sound like a good set piece encounter

[worthy stump]

the blaster sorcerer: my time has come

[solar storm]

Crank it up to 14-15 troops if you tell the party wizard you pack "all the fireballs" first :p

[surreal basin]

I’m doing a campaign set during a war in my setting soon

So

Objective: Break The Line

[clever cobalt]

I'm gonna send Geb to Anzenmezzeron

Or Tar-Baphon

Surely nothing bad will happen

[solar storm]

Hard mode adventure writing: do each written style in the GM core in order in a linked campaign

[surreal basin]

… what’s the order

[solar storm]

I thought of it because the first 3 made for a nice feeling progression

Then it gets weird haha

[surreal basin]

Romantic Adventure takes place in heaven as the epilogue

[solar storm]

ooh

[surreal basin]

Mystery is discovering that there’s a threat present in several planes that form a multiverse wide bomb

Planar is finding and defusing them

[solar storm]

I think high adventure-horror is probably the trickiest

Since those are kind of opposites

[surreal basin]

Hmmm

[solar storm]

But they're so opposite it could work

[surreal basin]

Long Journey after finding a threat in the dungeons

Going from gritty over land to high as you travel across the world

And then horror as you reach an area corrupted by the threat

[trail nova]

Intrigue- military could be trying to unite a nation or nations against a coming threat.

[surreal basin]

Hmmm

Yeah

Alternatively

You defeat the horror corrupting threat

And are given a place in the court of a kingdom as a reward

And become embroiled in a military coup plot

[solar storm]

ok this sounds pretty lit actually

[surreal basin]

This is just me throwing shit together tho

Maybe the corruption from horror campaign is caused by the threats in planar

Like a growing planar cancer

[solar storm]

any campaign which ends with jousting angelic knights is pretty dope

[surreal basin]

Yeah and then the romantic campaign is your characters reward

For saving the planes

probably a time skip

you get your reward and then time later like

a player wants to court a celestial

[solar storm]

Were it not for being too busy I'm be really tempted to outline this

This actually sounds pretty sick

[surreal basin]

same

[solar storm]

Unrelated but whoa

I think there are a lot more summoning spells now

[surreal basin]

Oh?

[surreal basin]

Nah those are all extant pre remaster

[surreal basin]

Only giant and monitor might be new

Could you find that summon trait description for me :3

Pls

I wanna see if summoning is better

[solar storm]

on the same page haha

I think its the same

[surreal basin]

Yyyyy yeah

So still not very useful for combat unless it’s at the highest level you know

And you’re below level 19

[solar storm]

Looks like Monitor might be the only new one

My players never use these lol

[surreal basin]

Yeah they kinda suck

At best you’re summoning a PL-3 or PL-4

For a high level spell

[solar storm]

All these renames are gonna take a bit lol

Is this new Purify food and drink?

I assume so

I think its cool that it can make food more delicious now

[surreal basin]

Ye

[solar storm]

did shield runes get previewed?

[unborn rain]

Cast level 9 cleanse cuisine

[surreal basin]

I think so

[solar storm]

They're pretty simple I guess

Sturdy is just a rune now

[warped orbit]

from what they said, the rune is slightly worse than on level Sturdy shields

but you can just slap it on any shield to make it good

[surreal basin]

which imo was all that was needed

was just being ABLE to use other shields past early levels

[solar storm]

Maybe I'm being dumb but it looks identical to a sturdy shield

hardness 8 64 hp at minor

[warped orbit]

can you post it real quick?

[solar storm]

Using a steel shield as a base

Ah ok, only the Minor is on parity

The rune starts falling behind at higher tiers

(And naturally you can't further enhance s sturdy shield with this rune)

[clever cobalt]

Shield Runes

[clever cobalt]

My order of the remaster got declined

It's gonna be a few days until it goes through again

Which means a few more days of waiting

[coral anvil]

Why does it keep getting declined?

[clever cobalt]

Because I was momentarily poor

I have the money now but

Damn

[surreal basin]

Making an oread brawler in 1e for a Halloween one shot

[clever cobalt]

I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to ask someone else to let me take a peak at it, since I am gonna get it soon

But I also know that's kinda scummy

[surreal basin]

it's also an issue because paizo pdf's are like

HEAVILY marked

with personal info

both on the pages and in the metadata

[clever cobalt]

Yeah

And I don't wanna cause anyone else to get "hurt" per se

[frank crystal]

MY FRIEND HAS GIVEN ME THE REMASTER

[solar storm]

Noice

I need to poke through witch

I think it changed the most

[clever cobalt]

I'm $10 short of the remaster

actually more like $5 but still

[turbid dagger]

I had a cursed idea last night
Human Dragon Sorcerer that uses versatile heritage and general training to get medium prof l1, then Sentinel l2 for Heavy armor
And then they rock a shield with dragons blood magic to be a tank caster

[clever cobalt]

I like Battlezoo Dragons Fighter

[warped orbit]

so it looks like Electric Arc was slightly nerfed in the way I expected, ie going to 2d4 instead of d4+mod
but it's still by a good margin the best offensive cantrip, because basically every other cantrip was changed similarly

Gouging Claw got buffed weirdly

so good for Maguses I guess

it deals 2d6 damage and 2 bleed on success now

[clever cobalt]

Thats actually pretty good

[barren cipher]

yeah, honestly it has to be pretty good to be remotely in consideration for non-magus casters

[surreal basin]

Yeah

Melee only spells need to be significantly better than their contemporaries because of the massive risks

[scenic patio]

So… any interesting lore changes in the Gm book

[turbid dagger]

2d6 is kind of nice yeah
Casters out here outdamaging finesse martials in melee smh smh

[thorny berry]

tbf if you're a finesse martial and you're only doing base weapon damage you might want to reconsider your life choices except for monk

[charred patrol]

Apparently there were some changes to the interact action to make swapping held items less of a "yeah, you'll just drop it onto the floor and then pick it up later" kind of deal? Don't have the pdf to look at myself just yet though.

[solar storm]

It doesn’t look like the Interact or Release actions are different to me

Aha

It wasn’t with the action it was in the item rules

[warped orbit]

I heard Fighters also have a new feat that enhances swapping

[charred patrol]

Lightning Swap, or something like that.

[warped orbit]

Having flourish is a bit annoying, but still good for switch hitting

[rustic cape]

Friend of mine figured out an extremely goofy way to give her kitsune alchemist a philosopher's stone

Start with Star Stone. Add the Enhanced Familiar feat from a Wizard multiclass. Give the rock Manual Dexterity, Independent, and Lab Assistant as familiar abilities.

The rock can now perform alchemy.

[light gyro]

Alchemists seething right now

[rustic cape]

Mind, you have to be an alchemist to make use of this

Since the familiar uses "your" quick alchemy action

[unborn rain]

I think just familiar master would probably be better than Wizard Multiclass

as it's one feat instead of 2

[rustic cape]

Well, this is for a Strength of Thousands game, so free archetype Wizard is a thing

But yeah in principle

[unborn rain]

I had a alchemical familiar in SoT I did not treat him well

[rustic cape]

D:

[light gyro]

Running SoT rn, the party alchemist feeds bombs to his chicken to make them sticky

Speaking of, I really need to work the classmates into the party's story more. Almost on the last chapter of book 3, but come book 4 I'm gonna get them more involved

[coral anvil]

How are you finding strength of thousands?

[light gyro]

It's our first pathfinder campaign. Think it's pretty cool so far. Might be one or two too many NPCs to track. Like it's not TAZ graduation but it's a lot for a novice GM to work in satisfyingly. Annoyed that (big spoilers) ||the big bad completely vanishes for books 3 and 4, and the party are just supposed to forget about the artifact they trawled a dungeon to find||.
Also the character art is fantastic.

[coral anvil]

Neat! Hope you can bring it home

are you running it VTT, or in person?

[light gyro]

Foundry VTT. The automation is fantastic. I've had fights where players have had to track like five different status effects with their own expiration dates but foundry makes that so easy.

Party is an alchemist, bard, Magus and wizard. So sometimes the magus will be juggling stance, elixir, two bard cantrips and haste. It's A Lot.

[coral anvil]

Yeaaah, that sounds it.

I'm keen to play more - i tried as a gynmast swahsbuckler for the begginer box recently whcih was fun butnot amazing

Next crack i take whenver that is is just going tobe a Kinetcisit, i think

[light gyro]

I've been a forever GM for a year so Ive got so many things I want to try

[coral anvil]

I'm kinda avoiding GM for now, because it's serious burnout issues for me

but i am very slowly cooking some LANCER ideas (Gonna figure out a rotating gm campaign)

[light gyro]

Lancer seems like a good system for that actually. Very mission focused. Current GM character could get some extra downtime to play with maybe

[coral anvil]

My plan/pitch is basically get 6 people who are willing to play and gm.

Start everoyne off at LL2, but make it so LL only goes up 1 every 2 missions, not every 1. That way everyone gets a chance to play at a given LL. And the in character pitch being you're a team of lancers who've come togther to help with eeach other's problems - so whoever's in the GM seat, that's their character running mission control for a personal quest or similar.

[true delta]

Cool

[coral anvil]

Yeah, seems a solid enough hook.

[clever cobalt]

Hmm, design question. Trying to make a Gnoll Exemplar; what are some good aesthetics to try out?

if that isn't a weird question

This is what I got so far

[sinful gyro]

I'd ask what kind of hero are they trying to be

Like are you a folk hero

[unborn rain]

I'd personally go for like very classic farmhand type thing form what you've said about them

[clever cobalt]

what would that look like?

[sinful gyro]

Or a noble knight, an anti-hero, etc

[clever cobalt]

My idea is uh

Folk Hero crossed with Greek Demigod or KSBD Demiurge

if that isn't too weird of a combo

[sinful gyro]

That works

I'd keep their clothing simple

But in keeping it simple, the things they do have should mean something

Where's that belt from, what's that badge represent, etc

[clever cobalt]

Mhm

Like, simplistic but symbolic?

[sinful gyro]

Yeah

[unborn rain]

Like cloth shirt, work trousers. Sort of like Good natured look if that makes sense? Friendly eyes that sort of thing.

[clever cobalt]

I guess I want to make it look basic but also divine

In a weird juxtaposition

Though yeah these seem like good steps

[unborn rain]

I'd maybe look into like, what the idealised version of a person looks like for where the river kingdoms and stuff are sort of based on

[sinful gyro]

A lot of divine figures dress simply to

[clever cobalt]

Mhm

[clever cobalt]

The River Kingdoms are weird

[unborn rain]

The river kingdoms are weird that is true.

[clever cobalt]

I wanna say... eastern Europe?

There isn't a single definitive comparison though

At least as far as I can see

[unborn rain]

it's not very clearly anything now that I think about it

It's quite European because that's like the very baseline of Pathfinder as a D&D based setting

[rustic cape]

I know a few folks here already have the remaster — can anyone tell us about the Witch changes?

[sinful gyro]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/17l7ox8/witch_remaster_changes_hexes/

Here's some

[rustic cape]

Danke

[clever cobalt]

Yeah, agreed

It's European

That's like

All I can tell

Though

I could maybe have them come from Taldor (with a similar background)

Dunno if that would dull the folk hero vibe though

Taldor definitely has a more recognizable aesthetic

Being England-Rome

[unborn rain]

I think making them a Talden could actually strengthen it maybe

As you'd have more of a cultural back drop to take inspiration from

[clever cobalt]

Fair!

Any ideas in that regard. If I may ask?

[clever cobalt]

Though (to kind of answer my own question) the Founding Emperor of Taldor was also a peasent

[sinful gyro]

Your classic English folk tale is about lost heritage

[clever cobalt]

Iirc at least

Mhm

Such as? Not too familiar admittedly

[unborn rain]

Robin hood was a noble

[sinful gyro]

Robin Hood was rumored to be an exiled Duke, King Arthur was granted his via lady of the lake but also had an old blood line iirc

[clever cobalt]

Mhm

Also brb

[sinful gyro]

It's either like, you're secretly the rightfully king or you gain kinghood via god like figures

[clever cobalt]

Ping me if anything is important

[unborn rain]

King Arthur also isn't a English folk tale, he's a British one. Which is sounds weird but like he's from the entire isle and also France

[sinful gyro]

A lot of that requires GM input though

Oh also, there's the man in the iron mask

[clever cobalt]

I return!

And true

[sinful gyro]

A more workable form for a GM is probably not "you're secretly the king"

And more, you chose self exile / your house was destroyed when you were a baby etc

So the GM doesn't feel obligated to like, make the plot about you