it's kinda funny how bad tails are when gourd leshy exists
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solar tendon
echo briar
Its clearly not set in stone https://paizo.com/threads/rzs43ur4?Multiarmed-characters#34
High level ancestry feats are being considered.
coral anvil
Finished my first go at this.
Initial reactions are that I prefer the in depth combat of ICON/Lancer, but like we blazed through 4+ combats in one 3 hour session here so you know it's very apples to oranges.
Combat felt pretty fun, though the multi attack penalty hurt a lot when trying to go whip into confident finisher. I'm guessing as I pick up more attack bonuses etc that'll ease off.
Def was fun abusing bouncy Goblin to just sproing through people, and the amount of crits I got was wild
turbid dagger
Finished my first go at this.
Initial reactions are that I prefer the in depth ...
As I understand it you really want to lead with swash finishers
Throwing them out with MAP is a recipe for sadness
I realize that might be hard with gymnast and such
warped orbit
you always want to finisher with no MAP
turbid dagger
As I understand it you really want to *lead* with swash finishers
Throwing them ...
(In hindsight, I realize how silly this sounds, but it is true)
surreal basin
When I played I would usually only ever attack as a finisher
frank crystal
(In hindsight, I realize how silly this sounds, but it is true)
“And now, my finishing move!”
“The fight just started-“ 6d6+3 piercing damage
coral anvil
As I understand it you really want to *lead* with swash finishers
Throwing them ...
It does seem it, given finishing locks me out of doing more grapples/trips/disarms since they're all attack tags?
echo briar
So you finisher one round, trip the next
or you just tumble though
gymnast has the strongest panache action, but has a very hard time mixing it with its finishers.
frank crystal
Oh huh
I never thought of that
I always assumed finishers just lock you out of strikes
I didn’t realize it also locked you out of grapples and shoves
echo briar
(Also, swashbucker is not a great class for a new player. Very complex, and a high skill floor)
coral anvil
Don't you mean a high skill floor?
echo briar
Like, it will work. But you will need to learn fast
coral anvil
Also I'm new to PF2E, but not new to games
frank crystal
(Also, swashbucker is not a great class for a new player. Very complex, and a hi...
Funny thing Polish, I had a player who had never even played a TTRPG before play a swashbuckler lol
echo briar
I mean, not ideal is not the same as imposable.
coral anvil
Honestly, this was fucking simple compared to my turns as a Shade in ICON
echo briar
But if you have a criticism of the game, just keep in mind it might be a swash only thing.
coral anvil
And I was multi tasking playing StS at the same time, so... No this is pretty easy on the complexity so far, lol.
(gotta have something to do when not my turn because brain goes zoom)
coral anvil
I didn’t realize it also locked you out of grapples and shoves
Yeah, attack tag.
Oh well, gives me a good idea of the flow of things - I can start out turns with a tumble into a finisher if I just want to execute something, or go for a series of trips/disarms/normal attacks with the whip and panache improving all of those, then finisher the next turn
thorny berry
I still maintain my hot take that swash should just get panache on basically all skill actions rather than by subclass
upbeat ridge
(Also, swashbucker is not a great class for a new player. Very complex, and a hi...
I played a battledancer as my first character, starting at lv 6 or 7, and I was slappin
Granted I would’ve done the build a bit differently now but still I was doing great
light gyro
does anyone know if this is art for a particular spell or can lesbians just do that
eager mountain
does anyone know if this is art for a particular spell or can lesbians just do t...
light gyro
(further context; I got this confused with the art for Ceremony and was wondering how they were using it to vaporise a skeleton)
sinful gyro
https://pathbuilder2e.com/launch.html?build=569998
I keep second guessing myself on my Gnome Kinetisict
I want an air / metal one, gonna be heavy on like lighting punk metal motiffs
But he's also been around a long time so they've gotten a loremaster, dubious knowledge package to go with theoretical acumen
But I wonder if I've missed anything obvious
carmine egret
(further context; I got this confused with the art for Ceremony and was wonderin...
tfw you're weak to the power of the sacred and accidentally walk into the middle of a wedding ceremony
light gyro
undead work on wile e coyote rules where they dont realise they're standing on sacred ground until someone points it out to them
clever cobalt
I like how canonically Baba Yaga and Jatambe meet in a small Tavern in Oppara every 100 years to chat
There's even art of it!
solar tendon
they look so angry haha
clever cobalt
They're both thousands of years old
Old and cranky
Though given Baba Yaga refuses to talk about Jatambe, I actually think she's fond of him
(Platonically)
solar tendon
probably
clever cobalt
Cause she usually has uh, unkind opinions of everyone else
And isn't afraid to say them
solar tendon
I love jatembe
clever cobalt
Yeah he's cool
The fact that Baba Yaga doesn't have anything to say about him makes me think she is actually fond of him, not dismissive
Cause if she did have anything negative to say, she'd say it
light gyro
related; (strength of thousands book 5 spoiler) ||i cant wait for the party to learn where "he's" "been" the past thousand years (on Mars)||
clever cobalt
||wait really? Never played SoT||
solar tendon
||he done got kidnapped||
light gyro
||Yeah, well, he's pretending to be||
clever cobalt
||is he on Mars or is he on one of Golarion's fellow planets?||
light gyro
||I mean Akiton specifically||
clever cobalt
||fair, I kinda figured since that's basically Golarion's solar system's equivalent of mars||
||If it was actually Mars I was gonna say Baba Yaga probably told him it was a cool place to hide if he wanted to dissapear||
||Given she's from Earth||
frank crystal
Hmm, what would be the best spells to give to a like, super high level druid BBEG
Like some primal spells that could really mess up some players
frank crystal
I wasn’t thinking of a specific level yet but yah basically any primal spell on the list is in mind
Just that level 17-20 spellcaster range
frank crystal
Storm of vengeance is more druid though
Also true storm of vengeance definitely feels like
The most druid druid spells
echo briar
Summon Kaiju
frank crystal
Also a very good idea
It’s still very funny how that’s probably like
The best summon spell though
Because it actually summons things that are powerful at the level you get it
thorny berry
Incarnate spells are cool, I wish there were more
frank crystal
Which one were those?
carmine egret
Those are the big flashy "summons" right?
worthy stump
Hmm, what would be the best spells to give to a like, super high level druid BBE...
Dinosaur fort 😌
surreal basin
Those are the big flashy "summons" right?
Yeah
They do stuff when they show up, sometimes have an aura for while they hang around, then do something when they leave
Tbh I think summoning actual monsters doesn’t really work in the majority of systems PF2E including, so I wish theyd add more abstract Conjuration spells
Conjure animals summoning a swarm of animals in an area like mad monkeys
carmine egret
yeah I'm a big fan
frank crystal
Yah same
carmine egret
it's satisfyingly "game-y" and also helps make the effects more impressive
frank crystal
I do kinda wanna play a wizard or something where all of their spells are just, summoning various creatures
To the point of doing stuff like attack spells being summoning a small creature and launching it
carmine egret
yeah I dig that
Magic Missile or whatever it's called now could be like, weird little seeker birds
frank crystal
Yah
I just like that fantasy
And even if I’m currently playing a summoner
It’s not really that
surreal basin
frank crystal
https://tenor.com/view/showing-power-maria-renard-pixie-davies-castlevania-noctu...
Honestly yah she’s like, the exact idea I want
surreal basin
I have a guy who is this but everything is trains
like all of their spells are train related
why? idk man i'm autistic I guess it comes w the territory
:3
frank crystal
That’s sick
surreal basin
my big move would be casting lightning bolt or like
enervate
a big line spell
and having a full size train rip out of a portal
I never played this guy but he's in my back pocket
in the vault
frank crystal
In case of campaign break glass kinda character
surreal basin
mhmhm
pretty low on the list for those, he's more of a "in case of one shot"
also wanna make a luddite character for starfinder but like
not in terms of hating technology he just thinks the steampunk stuff was cooler
frank crystal
“I hate this technology!”
“Hell yah, we gotta return to the natural way of living-“
“No you’re an idiot! We just need to return to a couple centuries back in technology!”
clever cobalt
Is 2e more popular than 1e?
surreal basin
Right now? absolutely
clever cobalt
Just in general
turbid dagger
In the circles I am part of, yeah
See here, where PF questions are assumed to be 2e unless stated otherwise
clever cobalt
I'm thinking about the aftermath of 2e APs and how the Lost Omens books assume they haven't occurred yet
surreal basin
In terms of like, all time high players, I would think so but I'm not sure
I'm guessing some stuff is gonna go down
clever cobalt
But with War of Immortals, which seems to be a big in-universe event, on the horizon, I'm wondering if that's gonna change
clever cobalt
Like (Blood Lords) ||Geb wandering the Earth|| or (Stolen Fate) ||the Norn being defeated||
Or even smaller scale stuff like (Alkenstar) ||the Mana Wastes dealing with a gold rush of sorts, and Fleshwarps benefitting from it||
clever cobalt
Probably a minor one but wouldn't surprise me
surreal basin
since ||if you do that path it's described as a divine effect IIRC when he buffs you||
clever cobalt
Interesting
||Nex is also siphoning divine power in his demiplane iirc? And given War of Immortals is a God War, they may come to blows||
surreal basin
Unless something confirmed that it's only rumored
turbid dagger
Well I've got the basic idea for three encounters for that Mammoth Lords level 1 game I was thinking about yesterday
Now I need to start figuring out..... all the other stuff needed to run a game of PF2e
I do think I am cooking with the fights tho
clever cobalt
As cool as the Exemplar is, I think from a narrative standpoint being a normal soldier who ascended to demigodhood by being The Struggler is cool
Fron a level 1 Fighter to a Demigod of War at 20 (or beyond)
Then again I'm always a sucker for "Nobody to Nightmare" type growth
surreal basin
Well I've got the basic idea for three encounters for that Mammoth Lords level 1...
If you’re running the actual mammoth lords ap
turbid dagger
I am not!
surreal basin
They deadass forgot to put fundamentals into that AP btw
turbid dagger
Automatic Bonus Progression Moment
But yeah that sounds rough, and also sadly expected for that AP
What with the uhhhhh
'stuffs made out of flint' thing going on
But yeah I'm basically just trying to make my own little Beginners Box
Both because I don't have the Beginner's Box and also because the Beginner's Box seems boring
Like, concept wise
The idea is that 6 months ago, an elderly druid tending to a small volcanic grove in the wilderness passed away, and the grove's become infested with gremlins and other malevolent fey, who are tearing the place up and tormenting the animals
So the group is a band of young hunters sent by their tribe to clean the place up, to honor the druid's memory
A little mini dungeon within the glade with low level fey, animals, and some low level dinosaurs who stay near the hot waters of the grove to avoid the cold
echo briar
Is 2e more popular than 1e?
According to sales, by leaps and bounds.
Its apparently selling way more than pf1 every did
frank crystal
The idea is that 6 months ago, an elderly druid tending to a small volcanic grov...
What low level dinosaurs are even in game?
surreal basin
Most of them are below level 10
turbid dagger
What low level dinosaurs are even in game?
The ones currently on the roster are Compsognathus and Deinonychus (as a boss)
Thinking about how to cram some velociraptors in there also
surreal basin
Would you be able to get sneak attack/strategic strike with a spellgun
turbid dagger
I realize this might be a little too low level to use the whole 'dinosaurs everywhere' thing to best effect, but
Maybe I can make it a longer thing some time (way) down the line
A 1-11 AP could use the full dinosaur roster pretty well, with Spino being the highest leveled one at 11
turbid dagger
(I don't mean to ignore your Q emily but I have 0 clue what a spellgun is 😔 )
turbid dagger
It seems to me that the rule intent is that it is a spell attack in every way but offering an option to use your simple firearm prof
surreal basin
Fair enough
turbid dagger
Its the kind of thing that falls into GM interpretation tho, I'd say
warped orbit
Would you be able to get sneak attack/strategic strike with a spellgun
the activate for it is "Activate, Strike"
so it should count as a Strike I think
surreal basin
That’s what I was thinking
frank crystal
The ones currently on the roster are Compsognathus and Deinonychus (as a boss)
T...
Ah cool
turbid dagger
I'm thinking of making the Deino Large, changing no other stats, and calling it a 'megaraptor'
Just for that extra Boss Feeling
Its not like it needs to take cover or something
frank crystal
That’s fair
frank crystal
Hell yah!
turbid dagger
Honestly just gonna run what I've got so far by the folks here
So far for fights I've got:
Two Compsognathuses and a Temagyr that looks like A Very Large Compsognathus, a Moderate Encounter with fairly few frills to start things off
Two Pugwampis and a Mitflit (A Moderate Encounter), but they're in a hot spring that has concealing steam wafting about, which holds a hiding Ball Python that will attack if the party does not notice it and avoid disturbing the water near it, upgrading the fight to Severe, especially as the Mitflit's Bane and the Pugwampi's unluck aura make it harder for them to escape the Python's grabs
And lastly (at the moment), the aforementioned Megaraptor (Large Deinonychus), two Tooth Fairies, and a Grimple riding around on the Megaraptor's back, for a Severe encounter. The Denionychus will prioritize bleeding characters, then Fey within reach (it can't attack the grimple while its riding on its back, it needs to be knocked off with a shove), then PCs, so the Tooth Fairies will try and Tooth Tug people to draw the Deino's ire before flying out of reach of it, while the Grimple throws rocks, vomits to inflict sickened, and casts Grease on clumped up PCs. The Megaraptor is suffering from Gremlin Lice from the Grimple and can't remove it, making it slightly worse at Will saves and Will DCs.
If the team notices the Ball Python and avoids it, they get XP as if they did the severe encounter, and the same if they kill all the Fey and drive away the Megaraptor without killing it somehow
warped orbit
Raise Symbol [one-action] — Feat 4
Cleric
Requirements You are wielding a religious symbol.
You present your religious symbol emphatically. You gain a +2 circumstance bonus to saving throws until the start of your next turn. While it’s raised, if you roll a success at a saving throw against a vitality or void effect, you get a critical success instead.
If the religious symbol you’re raising is a shield, such as with Emblazon Armaments, you gain the effects of Raise a Shield when you use this action and the effects of this action when you Raise a Shield.
Sacred Ground — Feat 4
Cleric, Consecration, Divine, Exploration
Prerequisites harmful font or healing font
Frequency once per 10 minutes
You pray continuously for 1 minute to call a subtle shadow of your deity’s realm over a 30-foot burst centered on you. It lasts for 10 minutes, and a creature that remains in the area for the entire 10 minutes regains Hit Points equal to your level.
If you have a healing font, this activity has the healing and vitality traits and heals living creatures. If you have a harmful font, this activity has the healing and void traits and heals undead creatures (or other creatures with void healing). Clerics with Versatile Font can choose either or both. It can’t damage creatures in any case.
Raise Symbol is pretty nice for Clerics using a shield
carmine egret
oooh nice
warped orbit
it's... okay
solar storm
With other kinds of healing
warped orbit
it is almost free yes, since it only takes a minute
but just adding level in healing feels a little eh as a class feat
barren cipher
raise symbol is absolutely shocking
thorny berry
Potentially enough for shield builds to want to dip cleric honestly
warped orbit
circumstance to all saves is pretty big yeah
unborn rain
War cleric still being stuck to a full caster brings down my hopes for it being good
echo briar
I mean, it is good now.
its a very bulky support caster that can do some damage as a 3rd action.
The problem is that people want a divine gish, which the war priest is not
eager mountain
(further context; I got this confused with the art for Ceremony and was wonderin...
OH
no t hats different art lol
eager mountain
(further context; I got this confused with the art for Ceremony and was wonderin...
see different art
unborn rain
I mean, it is good now.
It's mostly just like, general feats I feel like and getting expert weapons still a couple of levels past when they get put into AC consideration
coral anvil
One good thing from the first seating: my goblin got a everburning torch.
Well, the party did, and my goblin immediately claimed it, because Eternal fire!!!
turbid dagger
So, as I've mentioned here before, I'm planning a level 1 intro game, both as an intro to GMing PF2E for me and hopefully an intro to playing it for my Usual Gaming Group
I've got some fights knocked out and think I've got the hang of it, but anyone here got some recs for building maps?
Both advice and online tools for it would be helpful
eager mountain
One good thing from the first seating: my goblin got a everburning torch.
Well,...
them big ears will dropp when you realize it cant light thingso n fire
coral anvil
them big ears will dropp when you realize it cant light thingso n fire
He'll be so petrayed
coral anvil
So, as I've mentioned here before, I'm planning a level 1 intro game, both as an...
Online tools: Not so sure,but the Dungeondraft/Wonderdraft programs are immensly worth the money
unborn rain
Dungeondraft's really useful for building maps
clever cobalt
Debating If I wanna go Maul Str Exemplar or Dual Throwing Knife Dex Exemplar
frank crystal
So, as I've mentioned here before, I'm planning a level 1 intro game, both as an...
I like the deepnight map maker a lot
frozen hatch
I have a friend who saw that the ratfolk has an archetype called plague bringer and now has the idea of eventually playing some kind of skaven for a 1e campaign and asked me to help him out with the build. I know plague bringer isn't the best archetype and I plan to suggest some other kind of alchemist, gunslinger, or even maybe an antipaladin but do you hall have any suggestions for what I can suggest that would be fitting and possibly fun to play?
silver geyser
So there's some 1e feats to help from the Villain Codex, one sec
silver geyser
I have a friend who saw that the ratfolk has an archetype called plague bringer ...
So looking at these, druid might be a good play
Blight Druid in particular
Hope that helps
frozen hatch
I'll pass it along
true delta
Yo. Demiplane doesn't come with GM tools, does it? And by that, I mean something like an encounter manager. At least, I haven't been able to find one.
surreal basin
Oh the VTT
true delta
It doesn't look like a VTT to me. Just a character management tool and compendium. Like D%D Beyond. But I've only just made an account. Which is why I've come here in search of knowledge.
clever cobalt
You guys ever have a character concept you love but only works best in a certain AP
frank crystal
Not especially tbh
unborn rain
You guys ever have a character concept you love but only works best in a certain...
opposite issue, lots of character concepts which I like but don't work for specific APs a lot of the time
barren cipher
i played a dwarf spy in strength of thousands
his job was to do as much spying as possible before anyone asked him if he was spying, as he was incapable of lying
unborn rain
Were they spying on Good Guyia (Nantanbu)?
barren cipher
yeah
unborn rain
I wish my SoT thing didnt kind of fall apart. My character died and I've only gotten one session of the new character I had
Who I spent a very long time thinking about only to get to play her once
clever cobalt
Anyways my idea is Human Red Draconic Scion (using BattleZoo Dragons; basically a Half-Dragon) who claims to be a true blooded child of Choral the Conquerer.
This was for Kingmaker 2e and they'd have the Kingdom Outcast background
because I'd imagine they'd be laughed and/or chased out of most noble houses
They'd be either a Magus or Fighter. Leaning Magus but we'll see I guess
Their name is Tyrannus Rogarvia
Which I think sounds appropriate for a Half-Red-Dragon who may be a child of Choral
unborn rain
Kingmaker the video game has the perfect Magus archetype for that character concept
clever cobalt
How so?
unborn rain
It's literally got a Draconic sorcerer Magus class
clever cobalt
Rad
unborn rain
There's lots of cool classes in kingmaker video game and pathfinder 1e in general which haven't been made in 2e yet
unborn rain
They'd be a Dex Magus with a Aldori Dueling Sword
I'm currently playing Kingmaker videogame with that exact build but like 1e-ed up
clever cobalt
Rad
heavy fulcrum
fun fact i learned the other day when i cast it for the first time
disintegrate is a attack spell and a save spell
meaning if you crit on the attack and they crit fail the save
you do quadruple damage
clever cobalt
Lol, lmao
heavy fulcrum
and disintegrate specifically says a crit attack makes their save one step worse too
worthy stump
i think it'd max out at double, no? the critical hit only does the one step worse thing
heavy fulcrum
its because its both an attack and a basic save
any spell attack can crit for double damage
turbid dagger
I thought attacks had to specifically say they did double damage on crit
heavy fulcrum
and any basic save does double damage on a crit fail
surreal basin
On a crit with this it specifially says they get one degree worse, so I don't think it's that AND double damage
that'd be wild
also fun fact; the instantly destroying an object thing can also work on hazards
heavy fulcrum
oh hmm
surreal basin
and doors
frank crystal
you do quadruple damage
Actual DBZ laser
worthy stump
it also nukes walls of force
heavy fulcrum
this is the literal design intent from od&d
worthy stump
in case you fight an annoying ass of a mage
heavy fulcrum
its very funny honestly
its hilarious how frequently theres no accounting for PCs circumventing obstacles
worthy stump
i keep disintegrate prepped on my lvl 12 magus in strength of thousands. it's not optimal, but it is a fun classic
heavy fulcrum
i also picked up teleport too because lol lmao
barren cipher
i keep disintegrate prepped on my lvl 12 magus in strength of thousands. it's no...
it sends a message, doesn't it
surreal basin
Disintigrate is probably my fav classic dnd spell
worthy stump
it sends a message, doesn't it
indeed. thanos snapping someone in front of their buddies is a guaranteed power move
also, you can nuke a wall and force the GM to redo their dynamic lighting
surreal basin
I used disintigrate to kill pheonixes in one campaign
turbid dagger
Its fun
No frills, no theatrics
Just that scene from the first star wars where Darth Vade hits Obi Wan with his lightsaber and his robe just drops to the ground empty
surreal basin
I was myself a pheonix sorc
in my case it was flavored as just a blast of pure white flame that left nothing behind
worthy stump
that's better than having to kill the phoenix twice, for sure
surreal basin
Yeah
I think I renamed the spell a sweet and dreamless sleep
cause it's what she would say when she killed them with it
turbid dagger
Phoenix Sorceror does look really cool
Primal's my favorite list and like all of its subclass features are good
Good extra spells, good focus spells, good blood magic effect
a small part of my brain wants to tell me its overpowered because its from the last book of an 11-20 AP but I'll tell that part to shut the hell up
surreal basin
it really isn't
the bloodmagic effect is kinda mediocre and two of it's focus spells are kinda meh
worthy stump
i'm rolling one in a west marches campaign atm, still only level 2 but it seems fun and balanced with the other bloodlines
primal list is based, though
turbid dagger
Its a solid chunk of extra fire damage or a nice bit of temp HP, I'd take it over most of em
But yeah, I mostly just love the first focus spell
Any time I get an AOE I can drop on allies I am happy
surreal basin
Tbh it mostly just drops off hard
Past level 5 the bloodline effect is minimal
Sorry to be clear I just mean the bloodline effect drops off
The whole bloodline is good
worthy stump
yeah. at least it's a free effect, you're just getting it every time you drop a relevant spell for some added value, even if it's not much
turbid dagger
Huh, I wouldn't have figured that, but I'm also not an expert on caster math
Flat level to damage is tasty from a martial perspective
surreal basin
Fair
You do less attacks as a caster, and it’s only on some spells
If you can get it and dangerous sorc to align tho
Mmmph
worthy stump
drop a fireball and then tell one dude in particular in the AoE to have a very bad day
sinful gyro
So first combat this session
Nothing crazy going on design wise
18 crits or crit fails
I think we had maybe 24 across the session
Hot dice today
worthy stump
the dice do be like that somedays
turbid dagger
We've been playing Kingmaker recently and I think my fighter has crit more than he's hit
Including nearly oneshotting an ogre last session (nearly because the psychic also beaned him in the head with a telekinetic projectile beforehand)
We opened the door, went OH SHIT AN OGRE, had a whisper conversation about how to take it down, and then
My dude just uh
Crit it stone dead
Which is double funny because he crit the frost giant just before that encounter to death also
So now Linzi is thinking about calling him the Giantslayer in her book
Much to his chagrin
sinful gyro
To be clear these were nat 20 crits
As a fighter though you will +10 crit all the time
turbid dagger
The Ogre-killing crit was a nat 20
I think the frost giant crit was also a nat 20 iirc
Egar Kalt just kills people
fast hill
hmmmm I need some 2nd level spells
(arcane)
my current ones are hideous laughter, dispel magic, darkvision
worthy stump
blur is a good defensive buff, as is mirror image. invisibility can be good as well, although not always
barren cipher
true strike + acid arrow can ruin a fight
fast hill
ye blur is good
barren cipher
heat metal is decent
fast hill
oooo acid arrow
I basically have to take true strike for a 1st level slot
(divination school and all other options suck)
barren cipher
yeah, that’s what i was thinking
you can also just have true strike at 2nd if darkvision isn’t much use
uh wait isn’t scorching ray 2nd as well
fast hill
you can also just have true strike at 2nd if darkvision isn’t much use
that's true
though darkvision isn't useful until it is
we have a magus who does shadow stuff
so
barren cipher
oh yeah i mean it depends on your party
i simply don’t leave home if i don’t have darkvision
fast hill
lmfao
theres so many spells
that it's like... hard to find good ones
scorching ray is not 2nd level
unfortunately
worthy stump
scorching ray is second level, yeah
but it being multiple attacks scales kinda bad with true strike
still a good spell though
warped orbit
oh it might be
fast hill
fighting a lot of devils
warped orbit
though Rime Slick is more a control spell with a little damage tacked on
otherwise, there's always Sudden Bolt
if you want a 2nd level damage spell
fast hill
is ray of enfeeblement any good?
barren cipher
no
generally anything with both an attack roll and a saving throw is not very desirable
warped orbit
yeah getting two points of failure is not good
barren cipher
if you hit a boss with it at the start of a fight it will be quite impactful but, well
it’s a big if
silver geyser
BLAM
turbid dagger
Bless
warped orbit
also the transition to this new floor in AV is very funny, after all the tough enemies on the last one
because so far we've just encountered a bunch of really weak enemies, and we're just tearing through them
most of our party crits on a 15+ on our full bonus attack lmao
turbid dagger
What level are you figuring the players will be?
frank crystal
Probably level 5?
I’m still determining who can be there
And depending of if they can show or not I’ll have someone entirely new to PF2E
And if that’s the case I’ll probably go lower
To level 3 probably
worthy stump
harpies are level 5
barren cipher
tooth fairy swarms are level 3 hoho
worthy stump
although their special ability is kinda weird for dropping a mob of them
frank crystal
tooth fairy swarms are level 3 hoho
True but also they’re terrifying
frank crystal
although their special ability is kinda weird for dropping a mob of them
What do they do?
worthy stump
aoe one action ability to fascinate creatures and make them move closer
besides that, all they got is clawing and clubbing
barren cipher
manticores are 6, gryphons 4
turbid dagger
Oh Manticores would be mean as hell in an aerial fight
frank crystal
aoe one action ability to fascinate creatures and make them move closer
That is pretty strong
frank crystal
manticores are 6, gryphons 4
Oh gryphons are especially nice actually
turbid dagger
Assuming that this is spinning off from the airship oneshot idea
frank crystal
They’re great for flying mounts
barren cipher
elite giant tsetse flies
frank crystal
And if this is gonna be an airship robbery there’s gonna be people
frank crystal
Assuming that this is spinning off from the airship oneshot idea
It is yah
turbid dagger
Are you envisioning the PCs as ship defenders or the robbers
frank crystal
Defenders probably
worthy stump
ooh, there's also Gargoyles at level 4
frank crystal
Though actually
I could just ask my players when I invite them what role they wanna do
The defenders of the robbers
Could be nice as a change of pace
turbid dagger
That's true!
Though that raises the issue of maybe needing to design comps for both angles
Unless you want a ship defended by griffons and pteranodons and manticores or what have you
worthy stump
griffon knight escorts
frank crystal
Yah, but they do feel more like they would work for an attacking force then a defending force
Like an emphasis on fighting flying creatures
Just because the players can’t really fly at this level
So they’re just relying on airships
worthy stump
mhm
for enemies defending an airship, probably find some appropriate humanoids or constructs. clockwork soldiers seem like a cool one for that, and they even have a variant with a musket on foundry, from one a PFS thing i think
frank crystal
Oh there is? I didn’t see anything like that when I used them before
But that is good to know
worthy stump
i think they're called clockwork riflers
turbid dagger
Hm
Wyverns are level 6, have flight, and also have Attack Of Opportunity
Some reactive flyers to keep folks away from the ship along with some non-flying ranged attackers aboard would be cool
frank crystal
I found em
frank crystal
Hm
Wyverns are level 6, have flight, and also have Attack Of Opportunity
Some re...
Yah a Wyvern knight leading the defense (or offense depending on what the players decide to do) would be sick
Hmm, could honestly add some like, gryphon dragoons
As in the classical definition of people on horseback with revolvers
Instead of dragoons as a guy with a spear who jumps good
Hmm, what’s the lowest level dragon?
turbid dagger
Hmm, what’s the lowest level dragon?
Proper dragon or dragon family creature
Dragon family is like some Little Shit -1 house drake or something
Weakest proper dragon is iirc the young white dragon
At level 6! Tied with a wyvern, how humiliating
frank crystal
Proper dragon or dragon family creature
Proper
Also Ic
Yah ngl I think I’ll just use a Wyvern then
Even if it’s the same level, wyverns feel more threatening then young dragons imo
Because even if they’re objectively not as strong they feel a bit more like, experienced I guess
turbid dagger
Mhm
Poor white dragons, always picked on
Their niche among the proper dragons is 'they're stupid and weak'
frank crystal
Yah
White dragons are just kinda lame compared to the others lol
Their gimmick is that they suck
Actually
I have an idea
If they’re the pirates, the big boss will be a knight riding a Wyvern
But if they’re the defenders, the boss will be a pirate riding a white dragon
turbid dagger
Oh thats sick actually
I mean, wyverns are not exactly more noble than white dragons but still sick
frank crystal
Yah but it has a different vibe
I don’t remember if wyverns are sentient in PF2E
But they definitely feel more animalistic then dragons
So that’s more just a very hard to tame mount
turbid dagger
Honestly I'd buy a young white just like
Being the leader of a band of pirates
frank crystal
While a white dragon is more of a partner, just an actively malicious one
frank crystal
Honestly I'd buy a young white just like
*Being* the leader of a band of pirates
Honestly yah probably
I think I’ll just run it as the leader
turbid dagger
(Wyverns are intelligent in PF by the by, they speak draconic)
turbid dagger
I kind of want to do an Ancient White Dragon '(level 15) as the capstone boss of an 1-11 AP
With PL+4 being the usual 'GO NO FURTHER' upper limit of boss fights
frank crystal
Yah an ancient dragon fight is a pretty class final boss
Especially since they’ve got a lot of stuff in PF2E
Especially if you make them a spellcaster
turbid dagger
It'd be cool to have like
A smart White Dragon that bucks the trend of them being semi feral
Using their shape ice to build massive tunnel networks, scheming and planning across the frozen wastes
In the Realm of the Mammoth Lords someone like that would be very powerful
true delta
A question to any pathfinders who play on Roll20: If I buy an adventure path there, will it include all of the strictly necessary NPCs and enemies? Or will it lack some who I will need to make myself or buy Roll20's version of the Bestiary 1 for?
frank crystal
Hmm, I think for the air ship one shot in going to include “pilot” enemies. Extremely weak enemies riding airships who have access to a powerful main gun attack
But are locked to the cockpit of their airships
Where essentially they’re locked to a moving piece of terrain
So if the players get on their airships they’re kinda fucked
Also the main gun is only available if the players are off the airship
They can’t shoot the main gun at their own airship after all
unborn rain
I think that'd work if they're like anti-infantry weapons so they can still shoot the pcs on other airships without risking taking it down
frank crystal
Oh yah
I’m imagining them as like, a twin linked MG
Kinda that feeling of WW2 fighter plane weapons
Something the players could be shot at, but could also shoot at the airships and threaten them given enough focused fire
turbid dagger
I love multiattacks so much
Every time I see one in the bestiary I smile
unborn rain
New stuff on Archives of Nethys
new archetypes are interesting
4th level feat to get a Once a day always on level summon spell
6th level feat to get a cantrip
and two archteypes with the same feat mechanically but at very different levels
Both give Resistance to physical equal to class feats from archetype
But one at level 4 and the other at level 10
solar tendon
just to even out the feat levels seemingly
true delta
Can you play Gatewalkers without buying Dark Archive?
surreal basin
Yeah
The players guide explains how deviant abilities work and even if it didn’t it’s all on AON
eager mountain
lol first combat as an exemplar
I used this
anddd now my gm has become unsure about this class
silver geyser
Oh yeah, Scar is a good one to flick back and forth between.
clever cobalt
Still really wanna play an Exemplar though, just need to find a game that allows it
clever cobalt
Oh yeah, Scar is a good one to flick back and forth between.
Get the Sword Healing one
And just swap between the two to become unkillable
silver geyser
Ye.
It's why I'm not at all worried about the Exemplar light armor thing.
You got things to do.
clever cobalt
Yeah, it's kinda like barbarian
But supplement doing damage for being healed
If that makes any sense
Regardless uhhhhhh
I want to play one badly
I'm stuck between the:
Scar and Sword Healing shenanigans
Power Attack Hammer
Dex Build Dual Throwing Knives
trail nova
I really wish Exemplar but a half step quieter was like… the default tone of PF2e.
It’s just so awesome.
clever cobalt
Though I technically could get both the first and second as of level 8
Due to the Additonal Ikon feat
trail nova
That, or if PF2e was more designed to have a narrative scale of lv. 3-12/14ish for the PCs.
clever cobalt
Eh
silver geyser
I'm stuck between the:
Scar and Sword Healing shenanigans
Power Attack Hammer
De...
I'd do the dual throwing build in a heartbeat. It's so god damn cool.
clever cobalt
I like actually being able to play 1-20 on a game with rules for 1-20
Unless I misunderstand
silver geyser
I will say that 1st level PC's in PF2e have some more narrative spice to them.
clever cobalt
I'd do the dual throwing build in a heartbeat. It's so god damn cool.
It is pretty neat ye
clever cobalt
They get a raised damage die on simple weapons
So Throwing Knives are d6 in an Exemplar's hands
trail nova
I like actually being able to play 1-20 on a game with rules for 1-20
The rules certainly work, I just have a weird disconnect between the high level rules and narrative.
silver geyser
My favorite thing is that adventuring feels like an actually insanely dangerous job like it's supposed to be.
unborn rain
Some backgrounds get nuts.
The rare backgrounds are often extremely cool
trail nova
(Exemplar and casters often excluded. A few high level options like Barbarian’s Earthquake feat as well)
silver geyser
I dunno, a high level fighter is doing wonders.
unborn rain
Like you're previous life is a tall tale which I think implies that you're a lie who came to life
silver geyser
On the one hand, we have something like a mighty nation-crafting dragon who has done a grand experiment over years to engineer a society just so.
clever cobalt
Personally, I like fighters being super-badass bit otherwise "normal" people
silver geyser
And on the other, we got a guy with a sword who's practiced a lot
There's something nice about being a largely normal guy who does the thing good.
silver geyser
And it's especially great that you can have a party with not a drop of magical capability in them and still absolutely be 100% viable.
silver geyser
Good ole Conan.
clever cobalt
Granted Level 20 characters have magic items usually but still
silver geyser
Look, magic items are so commonplace in Golarion as to just be a part of life.
clever cobalt
True
silver geyser
It's like marveling over a cellphone or the internet.
clever cobalt
I think they canonically are
Something like 1/5 people is a caster iirc
Or at least has potential
silver geyser
And that's without straying outside of the humanoids.
clever cobalt
And the other 4 can learn arcane or druidic magic
unborn rain
I don't think you should ever put a number on casters because no matter what that's gonna make things funky
clever cobalt
Even by the standards of fantasy settings
silver geyser
I actually did like the 3.5 breakdowns of how many of the basic classes you could typically find in a generic city.
silver geyser
Actually led to a fun little thing about how plagues could still happen when magic that can cure diseases exists.
unborn rain
It's a little fairy world if you're wondering, there's a gnome in a concessions booth offering you a ticket to the first world
If you accept you will be forced into a level 1 adventure about trying to get out of the first world
clever cobalt
Actually led to a fun little thing about how plagues could still happen when mag...
Iirc Golarion's answer is basically "Ugurthoa did it"
Or something along those lines
clever cobalt
Hmm?
heavy fulcrum
well its a logistics thing, honestly
theres only so many healers who can cast so many spells
clever cobalt
True
unborn rain
Also like, higher level deaseses. Like the black deaths not a level 1 desease so you need a higher spell slot and more powerful person to cure it
And if you're in a like level 3 settlement you're not gonna have that powerful of a person hanging out
heavy fulcrum
even if a significant fraction of people have magic, most will be low level and/or shuffled off to big city / govt / military / etc jobs
clever cobalt
Also true
Which reminds me
I love Absalom
Would love a game there
It's like the one of the few adventuring city I vibe with
It helps that it like
Is 5k years old or something
And has literal miles of tunnels under it
In terms of depth, not.length
unborn rain
Its a shame the only adventure really set there is the cop one
silver geyser
There's a way simpler explanation even.
Found the olde 3.5 version of CotCT I had, here's the relevant bit:
was the discovery that just because there are effects that
can cure disease doesn’t mean you can’t have plagues.
When you run the numbers to estimate just how many
remove disease spells a large city can generate in a day,
you get a surprisingly small number. Certainly enough
to handle day-to-day sicknesses or even small outbreaks,
but a fantasy city gripped by a full-blown epidemic is
not all that much better off than one in the real world.
In fact, magic can just as easily encourage the spread of
a plague—say, by giving a plague’s sinister creators the
ability to infect things like weapons and coins. In “Seven
Days to the Grave,” characters who assume that a few
remove disease spells can stop a full-blown epidemic are in
for a rude surprise indeed.```I think I can't remember
clever cobalt
Yeah, Edgewatch
Which isn't terrible but there are issues yeah
It's very much a cop story and takes inspiration from them
Well. Cop/Conspiracy story
unborn rain
I think I'd like to at some point run a thing where you're just fucking with the cops from The Edgeworth adventure
clever cobalt
Side note but I love how inepeth the Lost Omen books go
silver geyser
Found the other bit about it!
clever cobalt
They're good lore books
silver geyser
characters of each class reside in a city. According to this
method, the average population of a large city like Korvosa
includes 3 12th-level clerics, 6 6th-level clerics, 12 3rd-level
clerics, and 24 1st-level clerics. Of these clerics, only nine are
of high enough level to cast remove disease. Even including
the average of 24 paladins—of which there are only three of a
high enough level to possess the remove disease ability—and
disorganized numbers of rangers, druids, and visiting NPCs
with access to healing magic, this is still less than 0.1 percent
of the city’s population. With far more victims contracting
blood veil every day, it’s easy to see how the city’s curative
magics are quickly overwhelmed, even if every healer in the
city were casting the maximum possible number of remove
disease spells each day. To a certain extent, wands and potions
and scrolls can bolster these numbers, but only as long as
supplies hold out. When faced with a plague as virulent as
blood veil, magic alone is not enough to save a city.
—F. Wesley Schneider```From 3.5 days
clever cobalt
One of my favorite things about Absalom is uh
Mother Jackal
Aka a Leng Ghoul who controls one of the largest houses from the shadows (the one that runs the courts, nonetheless) and also leads a Cult to Yog Sothoth
But
silver geyser
But yeah. Welcome to why plagues can still happen in a setting with magic that can remove diseases.
clever cobalt
The cult is more like a club than anything else, and Mother Jackal is so content with her position that the book outright says she'll defend Absalom and the status quo if they ever were threatened
Absalom is a much nicer place to live than Leng, after all
unborn rain
Being an undead just doesn't give you much options for places to live
clever cobalt
That's true
But she basically has a guise as "that weird aunt of the Lead Judge of Absalom"
Idk, I just find it interesting how, while technically it is an evil cult that eats corpses, she would be more likely to help the heroes than hinder them
Because she cares about Absalom
unborn rain
The only issue with corpse eating really is whether or not the person would be chill with it
clever cobalt
The only issue with corpse eating really is whether or not the person would be c...
I mean the book mentions that if a hero chases one of the corpse-carts from the graveyard to the estate, Jackal may actually try to recruit them
Lemme see if I can find it
Here
And here's more general.lore
Idk, kinda rambling but I like the lore
frank crystal
Oh also does anyone have the name for the foundry module to include exemplar and animist?
I can’t find it
worthy stump
should be PF2e Playtest Data or something like that
frank crystal
Thanks
rustic cape
Hey, folks, any low-level PF2e monsters you're familiar with that push people around and slam them into things?
turbid dagger
Hyenas can push prone enemies around with Drag but I know less about actual Shove enemies, or anything with terrain slamming mechanics
unborn rain
I don't think there is anything like that, but you could make your own enemy. The rules for it are fairly simple
And you could give it a shove rule like the grab one
frank crystal
Ok so (unwhat unsurprisingly tbh) the majority my players have chosen to conduct the raids instead of defending the airship
surreal basin
Reflavoring that could def work
frank crystal
So now I gotta design an appropriate defense force for the airship
They’re being manned by soldiers of a noble house which prizes itself on its knight orders so, knights are the obvious draw
Already got a Wyvern riding knight and hipogrpyh riding dragoons
turbid dagger
Making level 1 comps is a funny experience
So many early game monsters are so ridiculously weak that it feels hard to take seriously
Like, Ball Pythons are level 1, which puts them at kind of an elite-ish tier in level 1 balancing afaik?
Four dudes with swords, bows, magic powers, etc fighting 3 ball pythons (an L1 severe encounter) would barely squeeze out a victory, apparently
And this results in silly stuff in official APs like the (very early spoilers for Kingmaker, literally the first enemies you fight) ||KNIFE WIELDING ASSASSINS BESIEGING A NOBLE'S MANSION|| being level -1, and thus being likely to lose a square fight with.... one sea snake
barren cipher
they are, to be fair, wielding knives
this means they are either very bad or very good
turbid dagger
They also have shortbows!
Now, I'm not sure if I'd survive what with the venom and all but I'm fairly confident that if you gave me a steak knife I could take out a sea snake before it took me out
turbid dagger
I'm just turning over the image of a single ball python handily taking out two grown, armed men in my head
echo briar
Now, I'm not sure if I'd *survive* what with the venom and all but I'm fairly co...
Sea snakes are very venomous. You will kill it, but if it bites you you will also die unless you get medical treatment.
And I don't think Golarion has modern antivenom.
And if a ball python wanted to kill a lvl 1 adventurer, I would see it being a 50/50 shot
turbid dagger
Sea snakes are very venomous. You will kill it, but if it bites you you will als...
Yes
But a sea snake can kill the NPC I mentioned in two bites (or one on a max roll) on one turn, before it's poison has a chance to proc
Just straight bite em to death
echo briar
old exposed artery Pete. Told him he shouldn't become an assassin. He never listened
barren cipher
oh these are giant ball pythons
medium size so presumably there's 20' or so of snake to go around
normal ball pythons are about six feet at the most and with the diameter, intellect and aggression of a particularly stout sausage
echo briar
Have you considered that instead of it being a long snake, its a very thick snake,
six feet long, 5 feet wide
This thing
turbid dagger
It's weird because like
Medium constrictor snakes exist
Large constrictor snakes exist
But it goes from giant small constrictor straight to huge fantasy giant anaconda
(with some oversized venomous snakes in between)
echo briar
They should add some poisonous snakes for verity. Hit them with a bite attack and you die
unborn rain
The buugeng's a weird weapon, it has sweep and Twin
It has weird built in anti-synergy
rustic cape
Putting together my first dungeon, an abandoned aboleth alghollthu lair -- does this seem like an acceptable roster of encounters? Should I pare it down?
- Weak bloodseekers x5 (75 xp)
- Weak faceless stalker x1 (80 xp)
- Living graffiti x3 (90 xp)
Between floors
- Weak skum x2 (80 xp)
Floor 2 (waist-high water)
- Weak aquatic darkmantles x3 (90 xp)
- Weak grindylows x4 (80 xp)
- Weak common eurypterids x6 (90 xp)
- Olobigonde x1 (60 xp)
- Giant leech x1 (60 xp)
- Akata x1 + weak void zombies x2 (100 xp) (area has ways to take advantage of salt water weakness)
Floor 1 Return Boss Fight
- Strong pachycephalosaurus x1 (refluffed as strongman) (120 xp)```1st level party of four PCs, to be clear
unborn rain
That's a lot of moderate encounters imo, I'd switch out two or three of them for like a puzzle or something.
And maybe tone down some of the encounters
Like the bloodseekers I assume is the first one, so I'd maybe have that a low encounter to more ease into combat
The first encounter being a little easier so that people can get into the swing of things is something I highly reccomend. So that like, mistakes from not rememering things arent as hard
rustic cape
Mm, alright.
Maybe drop the eurypterids and the olobigonde?
Or maybe the leech, the olobigonde seems more interesting than it
unborn rain
I'd maybe still have the eurypterids but not have them as a like garunteed fight
like maybe there's a cool thing one of the players would want but the Eurypterids like it so if they take it, they'll start a fight
Also gives them like the option to sneakily get it to avoid combat
rustic cape
Ah, yeah, something like that would work
Any particular standouts that you think might be too much? Is the akata an issue?
unborn rain
Oh I missed the end, I assumed that was the boss
I think it's a cool sounding fight
And it shouldnt be as hard as it's XP amount if you make the weakness easy to proc
Maybe stagger it a bit
like the Akata comes in when 1 zombies down or something or like on the third round
rustic cape
Makes sense
And yeah, I'll tone down the living graffiti and bloodseeker fights
Since I intend for it to be possible for the players to encounter either one first
frank crystal
Ok so I’m having some issues with the PF2E playtest module for foundry
Because I have it installed and activated but I don’t have access to exemplar or animist
Ah
Nevermind I just didn’t check the compendium
And was just looking in the class list
sinful gyro
I'm interested how they're gonna do the swapping your Ikon / animist spirit
frank crystal
yah, for Ikons I imagine it just works like status effects?
But animists change a lot more
surreal basin
The playtest module doesn’t really track it
It’s not got much if any custom automation
sinful gyro
Well might get more later hopefully
barren cipher
Putting together my first dungeon, an abandoned ~~aboleth~~ alghollthu lair -- d...
solo encounters at very early levels are a bit wobbly
if they don't have full resources for the final boss they're going to get absolutely crushed
rustic cape
I am going to be very generous with being able to heal up, fwiw
frank crystal
It’s partly why I like starting games at higher levels, things are more stable and I can use actual weak enemies as filler for fights
rustic cape
Yeah, I'd start at 2 or 3 but the players specifically want to begin at 1 since they're new to PF
barren cipher
they won't have spells either
frank crystal
Yeah, I'd start at 2 or 3 but the players specifically want to begin at 1 since ...
That’s fair
frank crystal
they won't have spells either
Wait why not?
Spellcasters can still cast spells at level 1
barren cipher
are they going to have a long rest in the dungeon?
surreal basin
I’m not assuming this entire dungeon is intended to be done in one rest
rustic cape
They will be able to retreat from the dungeon as needed, I'm going to explicitly give them quite a lengthy deadline
barren cipher
ah, it reads like "this dude jumps you on the way out"
rustic cape
Ah, no, what happens is the person they came here for who they think is gonna be a boss is gonna be a fake-out
Who comes with them willingly
But once they find him the circus strongman who was accompanying them turns out to be a bad guy
barren cipher
anyway i would thoroughly recommend not doing a big solo encounter at 1st level, he's hard to hit and has a 30% chance of one-shotting your frontliners
on a bad day he can instakill a squishy
rustic cape
Aye. Mm.
barren cipher
like even from full resources they can count on losing a party member every other turn I'd say, maybe every turn
rustic cape
I could have them level up first.
surreal basin
What’s party comp like?
barren cipher
yeah that's probably much more survivable
rustic cape
What’s party comp like?
I dunno yet, we still haven't even session 0'd. I'm just trying to start getting stuff ready.
rustic cape
I also might be running this for two different groups
solar tendon
you have almost an entire levels worth of xp
so definitely 100% have long rests haha
and yeah I'd add non combat xp to reach level 2 before the final boss probably
or at least be able to do so with thoroughness etc
rustic cape
That's the plan at present, yeah
surreal basin
The scimitar seems
Not very good
Am I incorrect in this assumption somehow?
Sweep is, imo, kinda situationally okay at best, and forceful is acceptable
unborn rain
I think it's neat, but it's primary functions probably for putting on Serenrae guys
surreal basin
It’s really funny because like
The elven curve blade is ALSP described as a 2 handed scimitar and is finesse
And I feel like a scimitar being finesse would be like
Okay
warped orbit
Forceful is just kinda ehh as a property
the main thing with forceful is that it counts against weapon die size in budget usually
warped orbit
so generally it'll be like a d6 forceful vs a plain d8 or something
surreal basin
I mean it makes sense but eww
warped orbit
a somewhat more direct comparison you could also make is the battle axe
(I'm gonna ignore crit spec here for a moment, even though yes its a factor)
surreal basin
Maybe some weapons and traits we can hope will get buffed to what seems to be the new standard
warped orbit
battle axe is d8 sweep
scimitar is d6 sweep forceful
so compared to a battle axe, a scimitar would be effectively like this on average damage
-1/0/+1
surreal basin
I guess like
Scimitars would be good on a flurry ranger
Not agile but still
Multiple attacks
surreal basin
Tbh I think it should be agile instead of seee pop
unborn rain
1-6 2-7 3-8
1-8 1-8 1-8
Like it's not quite zero
you gain more reliability when it comes to damage
warped orbit
yes but also only on Strikes you will usually have MAP on
so I guess Forceful has a slight edge with Whirlwind style stuff
or other no MAP multi attacks
but if you have the choice between forceful and a die size, the die increase is just better usually
warped orbit
with Forceful, you trade damage on your best attack, for slightly more damage on your worse attacks
unborn rain
I missread forceful as Sweep
warped orbit
Sweep is decent, similar to Backswing
it's budget agile, but agile doesn't show up on big weapons so you gotta take what you can
turbid dagger
I was looking at if there were any agile backswing weapons and
Dual Fire Poi Flurry Ranger is cursed but also seems pretty good
At early levels you've basically got a d8 agile weapon in each hand so long as you pay the action tax and the actual GP tax of oil
unborn rain
Dual Fire Poi is such a fun conept of a huild
turbid dagger
Once you get striking runes the math gets Weird
unborn rain
If I ever play a circus game or something I think i'd do it
turbid dagger
But probably still solid with Twin
turbid dagger
If I ever play a circus game or something I think i'd do it
They were introduced in extinction curse so
warped orbit
they are from Extinction Curse yeah
even with them being only a d4, I think fire dancer Ranger could be pretty cool
warped orbit
But probably still solid with Twin
yeah Twin compensates the damage a bit
and you have easy access to fire for weaknesses
which is pretty useful tbh
turbid dagger
With twin they basically go back up to a d6 damage dice, especially on Flurry
unborn rain
it's 2d4, which makes it essentially start out with striking
turbid dagger
And when you get actual striking it becomes 3d4, which is a truly odd damage profile to be working with in PF2e
warped orbit
it's 2d4, which makes it essentially start out with striking
yeah they start out pretty good
just don't scale at the same rate
but they are good enough
unborn rain
it's one of the cooler weapons
wish there were more like, wacky weird weapons like it
trail nova
with Forceful, you trade damage on your best attack, for slightly more damage on...
I'd take a reverse forceful, but I suspect it would be a bit too free.
turbid dagger
Yeahhhhh
Thats kind of a 'why not take this'
unborn rain
Reverse forceful is just playing precision ranger
silver geyser
I will say that fire poi also get tasty tasty Persistent fire damage in crit too
Which means you could have crushing runes on there to knock prone, set on fire, and crush as a crit
silver geyser
Very worthy advanced weapon
turbid dagger
Basically a discount flaming rune
It does stack with flaming rune tho, afaik?
warped orbit
yeah
surreal basin
Yeah for sure
silver geyser
Yep. It's a good way to get More Fire.
frank crystal
My movable airship ready in foundry
frank crystal
oh that works
eager mountain
The buugeng's a weird weapon, it has sweep and Twin
It has weird built in anti-...
what is a Buugeng?
frank crystal
Hmm, what are some good intimidation based skill feats for a level 4 character?
turbid dagger
Hmm, what are some good intimidation based skill feats for a level 4 character?
Intimidating Prowess is the big one if you have high str
(You can in theory get it at level 2 but only if you use some weirdness to get expert intimidation before the level 3 skill boost)
frank crystal
I’m unfortunately a summoner so unless I can use my eidolon’s strength that won’t work
warped orbit
what is a Buugeng?
It's a weird Conrasu weapon
frank crystal
It's a weird Conrasu weapon
Honestly when I imagine a Conrasu weapon I imagine a like, solid club lol
Made of whatever stuff the Conrasu themselves is made of
turbid dagger
The Buugeng is a weird curved knife from what I recall of the art, and the Taw Launcher is God's Strongest Crossbow
Also:
Gonna be making a Lizardfolk Barbarian, trying to decide between an Animal, Spirit, or Elemental Barbarian
Any input from you fine folk here?
echo briar
Animal is kinda redundant with the Irixis natural weapons, but not too bad.
Spirit depends heavily on the campaign, but usually kinda niche
Elemental is fine, but the kineticist stuff is very minor. relying heavily on it is not a great idea
Power wise, Elemental is better in the early game, Animal comes out on top by 7th lvl.
Especially deer. Why is deer the best animal instinct? Its not even close
turbid dagger
Also: Man
Its so hard picking feats for Barb
Predator's Pounce or Furious Grab
AoO, Brutal Bully, or Animal Skin
Find a way to get Thrash and Furious Bully in there
Normally I wouldnt bother with Brutal Bully but this is Free Archetype so Crushing Grab + Brutal Bully greatly appeals to me for double STR when I grapple
warped orbit
Any input from you fine folk here?
Of those, I'd probably rec Animal generally
unless you know undead are gonna be a big thing
turbid dagger
Yeah, I'm gravitating towards Animal also
I got a result I was far more satisifed with by doing Monk Dedication instead of Wrestler
Already want good dex for Animal Skin, so I could get into it without much issue
Still get Crushing Grab to combo with Brutal Bully, and a bunch of more useful stuff that lets me save barb class feats
Like Stand Still instead of AoO, Flying Kick instead of Sudden Leap, Monk Moves instead of Fast Movement, so on
warped orbit
Animal has the benefit that with Animal Skin and easy access to a shield, you have a much easier time keeping your AC high than most other Instincts
if you go Monk archetype, Flurry is also gonna be huge later
turbid dagger
Mhm
Flurry into Furious Grab, then Thrash or something
💀
I probably should get a shield
I have Flip as my level 2 class feat atm, mostly because I hate the image of having a shield, no weapon, and just punching with your right hand or something, but its bold-facedly just gimping myself for narrative reasons
turbid dagger
I've honest to god found myself wishing shield prof was a thing
Just because like
A monk shouldn't have a shield
They just shouldnt
surreal basin
Okay two of the dark archive oneshots were good
The cursed one and the time one
The time one had a cool final boss that honestly puts some AP stuff to shame
true delta
Oooh, that sounds cool
unborn rain
Is the time one the Time Loop one?
because that looks really interesting but difficult to run
clever cobalt
Finally getting a chance to play an Exemplar 😌
Now I gotta decide what ancestry to play
Lizardfolk, Gnoll, or Fleshwarp are on my mind but I'm not 100% sure yet
coral anvil
Gnoll exemplar seems really fun thematically
Lots you could do with Divine Hynea
And you have an excuse to be "the laughing one" or similar
clever cobalt
True!
Just not sure what I'd build with it
If you have any ideas I'd gladly listen
coral anvil
I'm too new to the system to have super ideas, but let me see what I can come up with...
Immediate thing that leaps out from Gnoll is going Great Gnoll + Hyena Familiar or Pack Hunter
Could then aim for something like Who's Cry is Thunder to play into your aid bonuses etc
Use something like the victors wreath, the scar, and your choice of weapon so you can flip between being on the front lines and brawling or supporting your allies with the wreathe and aid
surreal basin
Is the time one the Time Loop one?
Yeah it was
silver geyser
The time loop one is great
frank crystal
God the remaster is nearly here
clever cobalt
How far are we?
echo briar
the review embargo is lifted today.
clever cobalt
Oh nice
echo briar
Preorder copies will also start to be shipped out today.
clever cobalt
...also the fact I got a shipping order a few days ago is probably a good sign
frank crystal
Oh it has an action to refirm it’s grip
echo briar
Paizo has released remaster previews on the wizard, witch, cleric, and ranger. That leaves 16 days for the remaining 4 classes, the bard, druid, fighter, and rouge
assuming those classes have enough changes to warrant previews.
thorny berry
I don't think most of those are likely to receive much more than some feats tbh
ruffian and eldritch trickster getting reworked maybe
could be cute to bring up the less-used bard muses a bit but bard hardly needs buffs
echo briar
warrior muse is getting completely reworked.
thorny berry
(or at least make them not get totally stunted on by thaums for knowledge checks)
oh nice
echo briar
as "martial weapon proficiency" is a baseline bard feature.
clever cobalt
What changes are Druids getting, aside from Metal Anathema changes?
echo briar
we have no clue
frank crystal
What changes are Druids getting, aside from Metal Anathema changes?
They have some new feats
echo briar
We didn't know ranger was getting changes until we saw the preview
thorny berry
kinda odd in that they didn't particularly need buffs but I guess it sorta brings it more towards the traditional class fantasy
and it's not like weapons are that dangerous in a full caster's hands anyway so shrug
solar tendon
feels like its still a case of why not trip though :(
frank crystal
I’m watching the nonat1 video on it, Leaf at the very least basically gets permanent bark skin
clever cobalt
Nice
thorny berry
I do feel like druid has always been
clever cobalt
Anything for Wild?
thorny berry
'you get a full animal companion!' 'you get a whole new wild shape feature' and then five plus flavors of 'you get a focus spell idk'
frank crystal
Anything for Wild?
Nothing I know of
thorny berry
oh I guess the one does a familiar right
echo briar
feels like its still a case of why not trip though :(
Because the crit effect is way better
frank crystal
'you get a full animal companion!' 'you get a whole new wild shape feature' and ...
I mean I don’t think it’s to bad with how each order basically unlocks a unique feat line
Like yah stone Druids may only get a focus spell, at first
thorny berry
ye I just don't remember most of the other feat lines being that memorable
but that could just be me
echo briar
1d6 damage vs neutering their damage
frank crystal
But they also get feats no other Druids get
clever cobalt
Wild Order druids are basically shapeshifters, though yeah it is basically centered around a Focus spell
thorny berry
yeah I mean admittedly wild order is also 'just a focus spell' but it so fundamentally upends their play pattern compared to most
frank crystal
That’s fair
Honestly with the new elemental stuff in rage of elements
I really hope they give the druid orders some more synergy for their respective elements
clever cobalt
Yeah Wild Order plays differently from other druids
frank crystal
Like stone gets bonuses to earth or something
Though that may just like, make them diet kineticists
clever cobalt
Rage of Elements also have Druids some great spells imo
clever cobalt
Yeah
solar tendon
ohhh adjust grip can be disrupted too
frank crystal
And like, that alone is great for Druids
clever cobalt
It was long deserves tbh
solar tendon
since it's manipulate and not move
frank crystal
I mean I always saw primal as like, pretty good
Though I will admit it was lacking in terms of powerful buffs
warped orbit
disarm changes:
oh hey, it's actually somewhat useful now
frank crystal
Honestly I’m still thinking trip is just kinda, better though
warped orbit
still competes with Trip, but at least Disarm isn't totally bad anymore
frank crystal
It still gives them the -2 unless they use an action
warped orbit
yes Trip is still better
frank crystal
But trip also stops their movement and provokes AOO
warped orbit
Disarm also provokes now, since they have to use an Interact
echo briar
Trip is more consistent, disarm is for daredevils who fish for crits. Both have their niches
frank crystal
Disarm also provokes now, since they have to use an Interact
Oh true
warped orbit
but the bigger issue with Disarm is that it only works on enemies with weapons
frank crystal
Trip is more consistent, disarm is for daredevils who fish for crits. Both have ...
Yah that’s fair
I’d you know you’re fighting something with bad reflex
warped orbit
while Trip works on anything that's not immune
frank crystal
while Trip works on anything that's not immune
What is even immune to being knocked prone?
warped orbit
but at least the success on Disarm isn't an almost wasted action anymore
silver geyser
Taking weapons is more of a penalty for the things that rely on it, and costing actions to get rid of a penalty is nice for, say, a single enemy encounter
frank crystal
Also huh
They made crossbow ace basically sniper reload
Create a diversion or hide then reload your crossbow
trail nova
What is even immune to being knocked prone?
Oozes
trail nova
Snakes I think? I don’t remember how 2e trip and fly interact
trail nova
But theoretically most stuff without legs shouldn’t be tripable, at least if 1e is an indication.
warped orbit
Snakes I think? I don’t remember how 2e trip and fly interact
If you get Proned while flying, you fall
worthy stump
anything Incorporeal, they're default immune to Strength-based checks
trail nova
If you get Proned while flying, you fall
Ah nice!
trail nova
anything Incorporeal, they're default immune to Strength-based checks
Someday it’s my dream to build something in 1e that only has a dex score.
Incorporeal mindless construct fun.
turbid dagger
They don't see too different tbh
The bottom one is the new one
The benefit is that the penalty to hit on a success doesn't go away ever until you spend an action to regrip now
Which makes it like, kickass instead of mostly useless now (since it used to go away at the START of their turn, it only mattered during reaction attacks or if you Disarmed them during their own turn with a reaction
unborn rain
anything Incorporeal, they're default immune to Strength-based checks
Not if you're a Ghost wrestler which is a very funny concept
If you want hard enough you can just touch a ghost
turbid dagger
So a free offhand fighter can Disarm, Dueling Parry, and whoever they are tangoing with gets effective -4 to hit them until they regrip
silver geyser
Get a nice parry weapon to go with that
warped orbit
oh Rogues apparently also have a new feat that lets them use Thievery to Disarm, and the target also becomes Off Guard on a success
oh this one's neat
that's a lot better than current Turn Undead
warped orbit
just gonna snip the ones I think are neat from the NoNat video, for easier reference
unborn rain
blade brake is terrible, what about when you're fighting in a Bouncy Castle /j
clever cobalt
Just noticed sometjing
The Taldan 8th Exploration Army landed in Shenmen the same year that Season of Ghosts takes place
warped orbit
oh Rogues apparently also have a new feat that lets them use Thievery to Disarm,...
mentioned feat
unborn rain
The Taldan 8th Exploration Army landed in Shenmen the same year that Season of G...
That's probably going to come up then
clever cobalt
rustic cape
Do we have any idea what’s happening with AoN? Will it be updated with the remaster materials on the 15th or do we have no idea?
clever cobalt
That's probably going to come up then
Yeah probably
warped orbit
Do we have any idea what’s happening with AoN? Will it be updated with the remas...
I assume they will be updating once the books are properly out
though IIRC they will keep the old stuff around, it'll just have a disclaimer for stuff that has newer versions
turbid dagger
mentioned feat
Wow this looks like it kicks ass
Could do some weird swashrogue with this
warped orbit
being able to do it with Dex is a big benefit for Swash and Rogue yeah
thorny berry
yeah that's a pretty nasty debuff really
warped orbit
I'd assume Swash will also get some more Disarm support
coral anvil
Hope so! It's definitely a trip trying to manage things as a Gymnast, though some of that is just being very new
warped orbit
Gymnast is tricky, because your Style actions also mostly have Attack trait
coral anvil
Yeah. Going to be trying to flow things more with doing either control turns or panache spending turns
turbid dagger
So I heard battle muse got a total rework, what's it looking like now?
It was always my fave muse
warped orbit
we don't know yet
turbid dagger
Oh, just got confirmation it changed without details? Alright
warped orbit
the people who have the book are not allowed to do page by page style previews yet, so it might be a while until we get the full picture
surreal basin
The recall knowledge and crafting changes make me happy
frank crystal
What are the changes?
surreal basin
Crafting only takes 2 days, no formula needed for common items, if you have the formula it only takes one day