Sakung range is crazy
#Pathfinder
unborn rain
You could be standing two cruise ships away form a level 15 Sakung inventor and they'd only get a -2 to hit
Theoretically could hit you from 6 cruise ships away
eager mountain
ive never watched steel ball run
but like the mana wastes is a big desert of wierd shit
frank crystal
God I wanna make a full character off this spell
Just a gambling addict magic user
Using as many luck based spells as possible
clever cobalt
Sad news: The S&S 2e game I joined has to end after only playing one session cause someone left
Silver Lining: I may be playing Strange Aeons 2e next with the same group
frank crystal
clever cobalt
Wait this may be the perfect chance to play my Nascent GOO idea
Not sure what class fits this idea the best though
Aside from Exemplar obviously but that's still Playtest
Maybe Psychic?
limber comet
Psychic definitely
I like the idea of the dream based subclass making aberrations from their mind
clever cobalt
Hmm
Probably gonna go Wandering Reverie cause dreams (Dreamlands, anyone?)
But what Conscious Mind?
limber comet
Depends on what you're going for
Intelligence works for like the Yog-sothoth/incomprehensible equation type vibe
Charisma for Nyarlathotep/actively malignant goo
warped orbit
they're fine
clever cobalt
Good to know
warped orbit
though having only two slots per level does sting
clever cobalt
Also I found the perfect level 20 feat for my Elder God idea
It fits "Ascending to an abstract God" Well imo
limber comet
And people say that 2e doesn't have insane high level stuff
carmine egret
Are there any classes not lined up for remastering that could seem out of place next to remastered classes?
I've heard some weird rumbles about Psychics
clever cobalt
How so?
carmine egret
something about their rules working weird with the new focus point paradigm?
it could have been overblown tho
clever cobalt
In a bad way, I presume?
carmine egret
yeah, unfortunately I don't really know enough about either to summarize properly
warped orbit
something about their rules working weird with the new focus point paradigm?
well they lose an advantage they had previously sort of
but it's not that big a deal
clever cobalt
So it's less that they were nerfed and more they lose an advantage?
warped orbit
basically currently Psychic can regain 2 focus points if they only spend them on amps
so they can regain 2 focus a lot earlier than other casters
carmine egret
goootcha okay
trail nova
... I am poking at a 1e Spheres of Power bodysnatching AI. This is stupid. I need to close Arcforge before it terminally unbalances everything.
warped orbit
with the remaster changing Refocus to not require spending points anymore, that's moot now since everyone can do it
clever cobalt
I do wonder if the Remastered Psychic will have just
more
Spell slots and Focus Points, I mean
Perhaps even breaking the limit of 3
carmine egret
my question is more "will there be a Remastered Psychic"
warped orbit
we haven't heard anything about it yet
warped orbit
I'd expect at most some minor errata to Psychic personally
similar to what Magus will probably get
carmine egret
I personally would rather not have to wait on new books for every prexisting class lol
warped orbit
the only classes they've explicitly said to be making some bigger changes to are: Alchemist, Champion, Witch, Oracle
so far anyway
clever cobalt
Haven't heard about the first and last
warped orbit
Alchi will get some changes, but all the alchemy stuff is also Player Core 2
clever cobalt
Though I also heard the Wizard is getting a decent amount of changes (mostly school stuff but still)
Mhm
warped orbit
the main one in Core 1 will be Witch
clever cobalt
Wondering if a Wizard would fit this idea better
Given Lovecraft Wizards and whatnot
warped orbit
but Witch was also arguably kinda unfinished before, so ehhh
turbid dagger
it could have been overblown tho
Its overblown
They can regain focus points slightly more quickly than most people atm, this will change post remaster
Thats about it
carmine egret
cool
warped orbit
it only affects the Psychic comparatively to other casters
but most other casters also don't have focus spells as good as Psychic
or can gain more points as easily
turbid dagger
I have seen people get in such insane fits about how Psychic Will Fucking Suck post remaster or whatever
And thats just not gonna happen really
The class I'm most excited for wrt the focus changes is monk honestly
solar tendon
isn't it still quicker
warped orbit
slightly
warped orbit
I have seen people get in such insane fits about how Psychic Will Fucking Suck p...
I think the focus changes are an incredibly positive change personally
solar tendon
mm
warped orbit
also yeah Monk will probably benefit a lot
Ki Strike/Rush/Blast 3 times per fight is amazing
turbid dagger
Wholeness of Body and/or Ki Strike 2-3 times every fight 
solar tendon
my dad might be running outlaws around remaster time so we'll probably try it out
altho it's weird to think of characters when a bunch of stuff is about to change haha
warped orbit
are you using Int or Cha as your casting stat?
turbid dagger
Snagging a caster that lines up with your KAS might be good to load up on utility spells
So you can spend your Psychic Slots on the meaty damage spells for Unleash
warped orbit
Captivator also an option if you are Cha
clever cobalt
Charisma
And what's the captivatir do?
Oh this fits well with the God idea I have
Sorta
I'm also admittedly looking at the Time-related archetypes (cause time eldritch shit)
Not sure how good they are though
thorny berry
Are there any classes not lined up for remastering that could seem out of place ...
imo gunslingers still have a lot of clunkiness left in them that could have used a remaster pass, but I don't think there's anything that outright doesn't align with remaster core mechanics
limber comet
I'm also admittedly looking at the Time-related archetypes (cause time eldritch ...
I like chronoskimmer a lot but idk
warped orbit
imo gunslingers still have a lot of clunkiness left in them that could have used...
Investigator could also use a small touchup IMO
but I doubt either of them will get changed much
thorny berry
yeah I'd put swash along with investigator on that front honestly
like- they could use changes that may be within the scope of even light remaster changes
(mostly I'm annoyed that both classes make you 'mother may I' the gm a lot for core features)
frank crystal
https://2e.aonprd.com/Spells.aspx?ID=1034
So running off this idea
What are some other gambling spells similar to winning streak?
Just high risk (or I guess high chance of not much happening) but high reward?
turbid dagger
Just high risk (or I guess high chance of not much happening) but high reward?
massacre
frank crystal
That would go so hard actually
thorny berry
Surely they'd be a wellspring caster
Or the harrower thing if it wasn't... kinda bad iirc
unborn rain
Is Rovagug still in the middle of Golarion come star finder?
i forogr, it's gone isnt
eager mountain
Is Rovagug still in the middle of Golarion come star finder?
ye
it was in the middle of golarion
but it disapeared pre-gap in starfinder
no clue where it went
unborn rain
the irony
eager mountain
the irony
the gods say its good tho
but wont say much else
also look at this fish
unborn rain
I was going to say that's not a fish then I remembered Fish arent real
rustic cape
Why does that wine glass have such a long stem
Martini glass?
What species made that glass
eager mountain
also Whispering Tyrant mascot from Golarion world
unborn rain
That seems like a really fucked up thing to make considering
eager mountain
That seems like a really fucked up thing to make considering
argue with Abrogail Thrune
unborn rain
is she the person with bugulon thing on her head or the fancy lady
eager mountain
is she the person with bugulon thing on her head or the fancy lady
queen of cheliax
its kinda funny how inaccurate the map is to what golarion was like
unborn rain
Guess Geb wins in the long term
He gets his own land, Nex is assumedly a part of it or a part of Osirion land
not sure which would piss him off more
clever cobalt
Jeb meme but it's Geb
frank crystal
Surely they'd be a wellspring caster
What’s that?
thorny berry
What’s that?
frank crystal
Ohhh
Huh
It’s like wild magic sorc
But also PERFECT FOR HIM
Also, if I’m playing in a game with free archetype, can I take this as my free archetype?
Because it does mention you have to take the dedication as a 2nd level class feat specifically
So I’m wondering if free archetype feats don’t count as class feats
warped orbit
class archetypes are a bit weird with FA
I would generally allow a class archetype to just lock in your FA choice instead of taking your class feat
frank crystal
Hmm alright
stuck bane
I think it’s written under the assumption of normal rules and free archetype modifies that
Is how I’d read it
frank crystal
Yah that seems right
Free archetype is still a variant rule
They kinda can’t right everything with it in mind
Also, I do kinda wanna run this on a magus character
That will reduce my spell slots to a grand total of 1 per level per day
With a class that removes spell slots of lower level
But it would be so funny though
thorny berry
if your dm lets you take wellspring as an archetype feat, take flexible spellcaster as the class feat for 0 spells per day
carmine egret
Rincewind build
surreal basin
Love the idea of a guy so lost in arcane theory crafting that he never actually casts spells
warped orbit
well you would still get your Wellspring slots
frank crystal
Also ngl
Playing a melee wellspring mage seems like the play
Because a lot of surges effect everyone around you
And like, personally I don’t wanna cause a bunch of friendly fire lol
Also huh
Monstrous Transformation (mental, morph, transmutation) Your head and arms transform into an exaggerated imitation of a creature connected to your magic for 1 minute. The GM determines the creature. You gain a status bonus to weapon and unarmed damage rolls equal to the spell level. At the start of each of your turns while you are transformed, you must succeed at a Will saving throw or be confused until the start of your next turn. On a critical success, you can choose to end the effect entirely, also losing the status bonus.
There is literally a surge to buff up unarmed attacks
This works way better then I realized
dry flare
Hry im new to PF 2e after playung various editions of dnd and PF 1e. My gm wants to pick up our old dnd game but switch to PF 2E, But Im a little daunted by how things work know that im a little unsure how to convert my 5e Titanborn Paladin of Solidarity
frank crystal
I will provide what help I can
dry flare
Oh both of us at onc ehuh öwö'
frank crystal
I will provide what help I can
warped orbit
Hry im new to PF 2e after playung various editions of dnd and PF 1e. My gm wants...
Paladin can be a bit tricky to convert, since Champion doesn't quite hit the same notes
frank crystal
Immediately, I’m gonna assume that paladin oath is a like, supporting the little guy kinda oath
Helping the underclass
warped orbit
but it depends on what aspects are most important to you to preserve in the conversion
dry flare
yeah its actual name is "Paladin of the common man" but I prefer to call it Oath of Solidarity sinc ethat feels more in line with the other naming conventions
frank crystal
Ah alright
Then flavor wise, the obvious pull is the Liberator Cause Champion
However, like Alaen said, champion doesn’t play like paladin does
dry flare
mechanically its all about "I can spend my divine power to get Aid on all actions for a minute, or Become Proficient in one toolset for a minute cus the ghosts of labourers are helping me" and "I can give my pals the Aid Anotehr action as long as they're whitin 15 feet of me"
frank crystal
Champion is defined in the game by it having the highest AC in the game and several reactions to punish enemies for hitting anyone but them
dry flare
yeah I Saw, I Do like that!
I wanna be swinging a scythe instead of sword and board though
fast hill
I come to ask for spell advice...
I need a more supportive 1st level divination spell than true strike
I'm a divination wizard
frank crystal
That’s fine
stuck bane
They do also have stuff for helping allies, though not in the same way
frank crystal
Champions are still full martial
fast hill
so I need something to fill that "free div spell slot"
frank crystal
They work with any weapon
They get shield block for free, but that isn’t like a class defining feat
That’s there so shield champions can grab it without needing to waste a general feat
surreal basin
Hmmmm
dry flare
thats neat!
warped orbit
2h Champion still works just fine
surreal basin
Gonna be honest divinitation is quite limited early on
fast hill
I played a 2h champion before I died brutally!"
frank crystal
Liberator’s in specific also focus on mobility
fast hill
it was great fun and I was consistently out-damaging the S&B fighter
frank crystal
They get the ability to move themselves and their allies at the same time
fast hill
I've also played your exact homebrew class as my most dedicated 5e character
and I will say, liberator champion is a great choice for it
dry flare
I think I'd be fine just running Liberator Champion, but what I'll really miss is two twhings from Titanborn Aasimar: Powerfull build (count as size +1 for carrying capacity, and gets advantage on strenght checks), and Divine Form (once per day can grow large and deal extra Radiant dammage with melee attacks)
frank crystal
As well as punish enemies who try and stop them or their allies from moving
fast hill
my oath of the commonman character was the first character I made in pf2e
never got to play them though
frank crystal
I think I'd be fine just running Liberator Champion, but what I'll really miss i...
Hmm yah that is a bit harder
solar tendon
hefty hauler is the carry things better feat
frank crystal
There’s the aasimar versatile heritage, but no equivalent to a half giant or something similar ancestry
warped orbit
Powerful Build can be sort of approximated with some skill feats like Hefty Hauler
fast hill
I think I'd be fine just running Liberator Champion, but what I'll really miss i...
completely different mechanically, but for powerful build consider the wrestler archetype
surreal basin
I think you’re definitely better off going for chasing flavor over chasing specific mechanics
fast hill
it will let you suplex a boat
stuck bane
If you free archetype, might be able to get size increase out of barbarian
surreal basin
You won’t find the same mechanics in 2e just because it values certain things much higher like size increase
fast hill
surreal basin
In the remaster an angelic nephilim will eventually be able to get final form tho
stuck bane
Specifically giant instinct barbarian, there’s a feat to grow large when you rage for an extra action
warped orbit
Enlarge stuff is a bit trickier to get
fast hill
it then lets you get suplex
warped orbit
Specifically giant instinct barbarian, there’s a feat to grow large when you rag...
yeah but with archetype you could take Giant's Stature at level 12 at the earliest
fast hill
and that might not be the same thing mechanically, but I would argue it fits the vibe of "is incredibly damn strong" very well
dry flare
hmmm 🤔 lot of Fun Ideas
stuck bane
I forget how barbarian multi class archetype works though, and you can’t use focus spells while raging
frank crystal
Also yah any ancestry can take the aasimar versatile heritage (later to be changed to nephilim), but for a big dude ancestry, your best bet may legitimately be just orc
dry flare
we did play for a while, and there was a lot of stuff where my Big stronks saved the day like: pulling a whole gate mechanism that was normally operated by two iron golems, on my own.
frank crystal
Oh yah you can absolutely get that level of strength
dry flare
hmmm =3= we Do allready have an orc, and I dont wanna steal their Orcyness (even if they're playing a necromancer)
but I'll have a peek at the orc stuff and see
stuck bane
Yeah just baseline proficiency scaling with level means you can hit high DCs as your level rises
So if you get up to master athletics proficiency and invest boosts into your strength score you can pull off some big strong stunts
warped orbit
just pumping Str and Athletics will generally let you do that yeah
dry flare
well, I appreciate the feedback folks, I'll probably come around and ask more once I'm more familiar w the system if I didnt find a way to do what I wanted allready lol
stuck bane
I have a player with charisma as a secondary stat and master intimidation and they regularly frighten higher level foes with their opening war cry
fast hill
anticipate peril I guess?
anticipate peril with +12 initiative to get +14 init
actually pocket library looks lit
surreal basin
Oh man so I watched that tian xia stream
sinful gyro
What did they say?
surreal basin
Arazni is replacing the god who dies as a core 20
solar tendon
sadness
limber comet
I mean yes obviously
But like
When Aroden died, all his clerics lost their magic
Sooo...
solar tendon
a similar domained god would have to step in really
like iomedae did for most of aroden's congregation
ionic pier
~~yuri god ~~
turbid dagger
You know
The iconic cleric being a Sarenite is maybe the best evidence against her dying I've yet seen
eager mountain
If Sarenrae dies
i kinda doubt its gonna be sarenrae
solar tendon
increasingly into the idea of pharasma going feral and attacking urgathoa directly and arazni taking over as goddess of undeath and now the goddess of undeath hates evil necromancers
turbid dagger
My GM would be very sad if urgathoa died
She's into the hedonistic evil horny goth god
fast hill
Hmmm, I'm going to be running a hell's rebels campaign
Its a pf2e conversion
Any reccomendations?
And, can you detect clerics and other positive fellas (say, champions)
I ask because I have an aasimar gunslinger whos going to be taking the champion archetype
And I'm wondering if maybe there's a way to push them towards subtlety
unborn rain
I think you can tell they're using divine magic when they use it? but other than that I don't think so
Maybe for champions with devine allies as they'll always have something magic on them to do with the god they praise
clever cobalt
Thats the "rebel against Cheliax" one right?
And lorewise results in the firebrands
clever cobalt
Is Aklo the "token" eldritch language of Pathfinder, like DnD's Deep Speech?
wary yoke
I'd say it is, based on how many aberrations and Lovecraftian stuff speaks it, but its also spoken by dark fey
clever cobalt
True
I'm just wondering cause yeah, a lot of the Aberrations and Dark Tapestry stuff speak it
Also I'm deciding if I wanna go Psychic or Thaumaturge for the Strange Aeons game :v
clever cobalt
Im leaning towards the Psychic idea but it may not fit as well
fast hill
Thats the "rebel against Cheliax" one right?
yep
clever cobalt
Yknow, I wonder
If they do the "planet of hats" thing in Pathfinder, I think Earth could work well as like, the "Dark Tapestry" planet
Aside from the one in the Golarion solar system that may or may not be a baby old one
Aucturn
sinful gyro
Planet of hats?
sinful gyro
Oh like "swamp planet"
clever cobalt
Yeah
clever cobalt
Earth, given its in the early 1900s, could work well as the Dark Tapestry planet
Yeah
Cthulhu is there, for one
And if Lovecraft's stuff is "canon" there's a disproportionate amount of DT stuff going on there, even besides Cthulhu
I think it could be an interesting route to take, at least personally
(We also meet Abdul Alhazred and Erich Zann in Strange Aeons, who are both from Earth)
(And the Necronomicon, basically the DT text, also comes from Earth)
But yeah that's just my take
I'm also of the desire to have a non-evil DT faction/character
But the closest we have is Mother Jackal and her cult
At least iirc
And they're still technically evil, even if they're likely to fight on the "good" side should Absalom face any issues
rustic cape
Planet of hats?
“Everyone on this planet wears this particular type of hat” is the classic formulation
warped orbit
yeah it's basically that everyone from that planet/species has the same "hat" ie gimmick
carmine egret
Barricade Buster Flurry Ranger
fast hill
we have a thaumaturge tiefling
frank crystal
Are they a human Tiefling?
frank crystal
Hmm, so with my setting being a modern fantasy setting
I kinda wanna make an exemplar who uses a metal bat as their weapon
The idea being that they are essentially embodying the idea of grabbing what you have to defend a home
You don’t have spears or swords anymore, you have the bat you use for baseball
echo briar
Sadly, this idea stops working the moment they leave the USA.
Grabbing a badminton racket just doesn’t feel the same
And the gods help you if the most popular sport around is ping pong
limber comet
Metal pipe moment
fast hill
Are they a human Tiefling?
Yes
fast hill
Sadly, this idea stops working the moment they leave the USA.
Never seen shawn of the dead?
clever cobalt
So Necromancy covers all life/death Magic right?
Like healing is also Necromancy
(I know they're getting rid of schools but w/e)
I guess the crux of my question is, whats a non-evil way to do a Necromancer or Undead-related character?
Ideally even Good, but yeah
eager mountain
frank crystal
Sadly, this idea stops working the moment they leave the USA.
I mean at the end of the day it’s still a metal bat
Even if the cultural connotations aren’t there anymore
It’s still a piece of metal to bludgeon people with
Just now enhanced by the literal essence of the gods
clever cobalt
Any Gnolls in Tian Xia?
limber comet
As far as I know? No
frank crystal
I forget, what’s generally the best ranger subclass for animal companions?
robust heron
precision gets the best value, imo
frank crystal
Doesn’t one of directly affect the companion?
robust heron
the class's companion can gain the benefits of both precision and flurry, iirc
maybe outwit as well, but I don't remember the wording
frank crystal
Ah alright then
And yah if that’s the case precision is probably better
Flurry kinda struggles with giving up its actions to give animal companions actions
Especially since I’m thinking of using it for a mounted character
Meaning my movement is directly tied to the animal
robust heron
that, and ACs have lower to hit in the first place, so you'd rather try to double dip bonus damage from the slightly inferior attack rates than just
have the same hit bonus as a MAP 2 flurry but with worse per-hit damage
frank crystal
Yah, precision damage can get pretty great
robust heron
Meaning my movement is directly tied to the animal
I believe mounts specifically share your MAP
so in that case, flurry would be better
since it contributes an extra attack per action
frank crystal
Oh
robust heron
with either command: strike strike or command: stride strike
and it would fuck your hit rate less
frank crystal
+if I’m already right next to someone and I’ve got nothing else important
Going for 4 attacks is actually kinda viable for flurry rangers
frank crystal
Oh yah you can get that
robust heron
command an animal for 1a
and a fifth strike
or eventually TT, strike strike with companion's freeact strike from the second feat
both five total per 3a melee turn
frank crystal
Goddamn
robust heron
and an easy 3, sometimes 4 on a ranged start
because of TT and animal double stride (or single + strike)
frank crystal
I don’t think I really realized until now how many attacks a flurry ranger can really put out
robust heron
there's a level 18 or 20 feat that gives a 3act 6 strike turn
frank crystal
robust heron
and then you can get a 7th from a quicken
robust heron
-2 at that point if you're using agile
frank crystal
I really gotta look deeper into ranger
robust heron
at top end, agile becomes -1/-2
frank crystal
Oh right
thorny berry
though as far as attacks from the companion themself in a non-mounted situation I'd imagine precision is significantly longer because they're swinging at a lower bonus than you are
robust heron
yep
thorny berry
so like, even if they get a 1-2 sequence with flurry that second one is gonna be.... rough
robust heron
precision is better, imo, off a mount
because the dpr is a lot lower by default, but is compensated by the bonus d8(s)
but on a dog, you're sharing map, so you just accept the free extra attack, lower value or not
frank crystal
Yah I’ve always seen precision as like, lower overall damage cap then flurry but more action efficient to allow them to use stuff like intimidation or spells more easily
warped orbit
if you wanna use a companion, I would generally recommend precision yeah
if solo, Flurry is a little better
robust heron
Yah I’ve always seen precision as like, lower overall damage cap then flurry but...
yep yep
precision is the kind of middle ground between flurry and outwit
thorny berry
does ranger still have the thing where it's actually better to take beastmaster than their built in companion feat line or is that just steed spirit champions
thorny berry
silly
seems like an easy remaster fix, at least
robust heron
which are "hard inflexible dpr/melee utility" and "massive mental utility/secondary dps" respectively
warped orbit
Steed progression is just even worse
frank crystal
Yah flurry just, doesn’t really have much ranged weapons support huh?
thorny berry
I think steed's up there with familiars as far as like
warped orbit
Yah flurry just, doesn’t really have much ranged weapons support huh?
Hunted Shot
but yes melee is better for Flurry
thorny berry
'are enemies supposed to target it aggressively? ehhhh gming guide sorta waggles its hand back and forth'
warped orbit
IMO at least
frank crystal
Hunted Shot
Oh
thorny berry
like, I GUESS
warped orbit
Ranger still has slower progression
Ranger also has a bit of a snag in that even if you go Beastmaster later, you still need to take Ranger Companion at 1
thorny berry
it just feels very handwavey
warped orbit
because technically your companion won't benefit from your Hunter Edge otherwise
warped orbit
it's not all bad, because Beastmaster just gets you a second companion
so you can swap as needed
frank crystal
Honestly it’s wild to me that ranger just, has slower animal companion progression then beastmaster
frank crystal
it's not all bad, because Beastmaster just gets you a second companion
Oh you get an extra one for each animal companion feat you take?
warped orbit
Druid is the only one that gets the fastest progression as class feats
thorny berry
I'm not hot on animal companion progression generally
they eat a lot of high-level feat slots and the gap between them and PC power only grows wider at high levels
which to be clear- I'm fine with them being weak generally and requiring lots of feats
but the widening gap thing is weird and seems like it would feel bad
warped orbit
Oh you get an extra one for each animal companion feat you take?
Beastmaster specifically can have multiple yes
if you already have a companion when you take Beastmaster dedication you get a second one and can swap between the two when you have a minute
frank crystal
Oh cool
robust heron
Yah flurry just, doesn’t really have much ranged weapons support huh?
it has the only ranged support it needs
warped orbit
and there's a high level feat that lets you have both out at the same time, but its a but tricky
robust heron
in hunted shot + the lategame feTs
frank crystal
Do beastmaster feats only apply to your beastmaster animal companion or your ranger one as well?
warped orbit
both
robust heron
it's just got no access to maneuvers, so its playstyle consists of holding the left mouse button for eight years
warped orbit
they are all your companion
frank crystal
Ah cool
robust heron
ranged flurry is literally just a Strike button
warped orbit
Flurry Ranger with Dual Weapon Warrior is still on my list of things to play at some point
if you go with thrown weapons you get a decent bit of range too
warped orbit
light hammer
worthy stump
throwing knives are better than daggers if you don't mind losing the versatile
and if throwing them's all you care about, shuriken are probably the best
at least until you can get returning
frank crystal
light hammer
I forget are they d6s or d4s?
worthy stump
d6
frank crystal
Oh sick
Oh huh, is there anyway for rangers to get deadly simplicity?
Because throwing knives having twin is pretty nice
warped orbit
where do you see them having twin?
frank crystal
Yah
It is a bit underused imo
It’s a really cool trait
I kinda wanna run the double pistol exemplar build partially because it’s like, the only way so far to get twin on any weapon
warped orbit
yeah Exemplar is pretty cool for that
frank crystal
Especially since it’s like
The only really good way to use air pistols lol
At least that aren’t “I need a backup ranged one handed weapon and I don’t wanna deal with loading ”
clever cobalt
NGL I kinda wanna use Anzenmezzeron in a PF game
The setting of Magnagothica Maleghast
clever cobalt
Ye
frank crystal
It does seem like a fucking rad as hell setting
surreal basin
Oh hey exemplar can also upgrade the air repeaters damage
frank crystal
Yah!
It’s why it’s actually good on them
Two one handed ranged weapons without a reload action, twin and the numerous ways to get flat damage with exemplar?
It’s honestly solid
surreal basin
Hm
frank crystal
And the best one handed ranged weapon for them
surreal basin
Just looked into how weapons are score
*scored
Like how theyre built
You could make martial air repeaters, upgrade their damage, maybe give them a slaw
frank crystal
A slaw?
surreal basin
Flaw
frank crystal
Oh
surreal basin
Which is a bad trait
warped orbit
they seem to be extremely careful with repeating weapons
surreal basin
YeH for sure
warped orbit
considering we only really got air repeaters and the barricade buster
surreal basin
I’m just saying if anyone wants, say, revolvers in their games
warped orbit
well and repeating crossbows I guess
frank crystal
I mean revolvers are really better represented by like, capacity weapons
Repeating weapons are more for magazine weapons
warped orbit
ehh, a double action revolver would definitely be more like repeating
surreal basin
Capacity is only good for dual wielding tho
warped orbit
since you can just keep shooting without any effort
frank crystal
Capacity is only good for dual wielding tho
I mean yah, capacity isn’t the best trait
But like, the way repeating weapons work
They don’t entirely work for revolvers either
surreal basin
I mean fair but I think it hits the fantasy better
warped orbit
how so?
you get X many shots, and then need to replace your ammo in a somewhat longwinded way
unborn rain
Two one handed ranged weapons without a reload action, twin and the numerous way...
Until you get to a longer fight
then it's 6 reload actions, plus some extra for holstering and drawing
surreal basin
For my own setting, maybe add cobbled but give it D8 Fatal…..
warped orbit
Until you get to a longer fight
dual long air repeaters is like 12 shots, that should generally last most fights
frank crystal
how so?
you get X many shots, and then need to replace your ammo in a somewhat l...
Mostly because repeating weapons focus on getting out entirely new magazines rather then just replacing the bullets
frank crystal
Until you get to a longer fight
I mean if a fight goes on where you’re making more then 12 attacks
Something has gone wrong
frank crystal
Like at that point you have bigger things to worry about then reloading your pistols
unborn rain
idk 2 attacks a round, that's 6 rounds of combat
I think that's pretty concievable for like a hard boss
surreal basin
For me to really consider it a satisfying way to represent even primitive semi-automatics
warped orbit
six rounds is really long IME
frank crystal
Yah
I’ve yet to run combat that goes on for more then 5
And I’ve run some decently big combat before
warped orbit
even boss fights I've rarely seen go more than like five rounds
solar tendon
capacity revolvers makes me think there should be a fan the hammer action compression feat
surreal basin
That’d be cool
warped orbit
capacity revolvers makes me think there should be a fan the hammer action compre...
Strike, Reload, Strike?
frank crystal
Yah that’d be sick
surreal basin
It just annoys me that capacity is like
solar tendon
with a to hit penalty or something
surreal basin
Only for dual wielding
It makes capacity such a one note trait
That tbh they’re unlikely to add to more weapons in the future
warped orbit
more feat support could make capacity nicer
frank crystal
Only for dual wielding
I mean same
solar tendon
requiring two hands for a feat would give an alt use
frank crystal
It especially hurts with how one of the main dual wielding gunslingers (drifters) don’t even particularly need them
warped orbit
if there was like, I dunno, switch chamber on a capacity weapon as a free action start of turn
frank crystal
Because they’re the only gunslinger who’s built in reload doesn’t care about if your hands are occupied or not
surreal basin
Oof yeah
Lmao time for my new upgraded capacity trait that gives you a free action reload each round
frank crystal
Overall, I’m not super happy with the state of pistol weapons
Because overall, it’s just so more more optimal to run dueling pistol for like
The vast majority of pistol characters
frank crystal
And even if you do need capacity for whatever reason, the harmonica gun is way better then the pepperbox gun
So there’s not even much of a choice there
surreal basin
But what about the slide pistol
frank crystal
Yah wait that’s the harmonica gun
I said the wrong name
But we mean the same weapon
warped orbit
biggest problem with the slide pistol is also that they are bulky af
2 bulk for a onehanded weapon
frank crystal
Yah but even that
surreal basin
Yeah it’s rough
frank crystal
Bulk is like, the most annoying weakness in the game lol
surreal basin
For sure
frank crystal
It feels so bad to run an objectively worse weapon because your character has weak little baby arms and can’t carry two pistols in their backpack
surreal basin
Especially given I don’t think that they factor it in the balance :p
warped orbit
https://2e.aonprd.com/Equipment.aspx?ID=1173
it's kinda annoying to me how a lot of the cool specific magic guns are on mediocre base types
surreal basin
Maybe a holster item that halves the bulk for your guns….
frank crystal
I had to basically make my own to give my gunslinger a little sauce for their dueling pistol
warped orbit
especially with the remaster changes now, I also kinda feel like simple weapons don't have much of a point anymore tbh
frank crystal
I mean they’ll still be take on non martial characters right?
warped orbit
anyone who would actually rely on weapons already has martial prof
frank crystal
Yah guess so
solar tendon
its 2023 wizards don't need crossbows smh
frank crystal
And yah with rogues getting full martial prof
The one class which kinda used them
Now has access to way better stuff
unborn rain
simple weapons are for getting put up a damage die by warpriest clerics of course
frank crystal
Yah I guess war priests clerics will occasionally use them
surreal basin
Yeah simple weapons are in a kinda weird spot rn
frank crystal
And they are getting some buffs in the remaster
surreal basin
Inventor and Exemplar also might for the same reason
Although the amount of incentive to do that instead of just taking a martial with better damage is
Low
frank crystal
At least some simple weapons do have some unique niches with them
like hey air repeater
surreal basin
True!
turbid dagger
Exemplar had a kickass twin strike feat for ranged weps but I forget if it was ranged/thrown or just thrown weapons you could use it with
fast hill
if a player has a gauntlet bow and that hand is free otherwise
can they use it to reload
turbid dagger
Nothing I've seen implies they can't, as weird a mental image as that is
warped orbit
Exemplar had a kickass twin strike feat for ranged weps but I forget if it was r...
Mated Birds is just thrown
But a few of the multistrike Transcends do work with ranged
unborn rain
if a player has a gauntlet bow and that hand is free otherwise
RAW I think so but I don't think you should let them because it doesnt really make sense
fast hill
I think it does
I can totally imagine a mechanism that allows them to fetch a bolt out of their satchel or quiver or whatever
and push it into their wrist
with one hand
unborn rain
I'm moving my wrist in every possible direction and not seeing it but maybe I'm just not flexiable enough for the vision
clever cobalt
Starguns
carmine egret
Ah, I thought all their non-magical stuff was air
worthy stump
airguns are from arcadia iirc, yeah
unborn rain
Iirc airguns are base only for Arcadians
carmine egret
Okay cool
surreal basin
Maybe I’ll make a system for my setting’s draconian guns
Which are the equivalent to revolvers and lever actions and shit but they use magic nitroglycerin instead of explosives so it’s high volatile
Maybe a crit fail you take splash damage
A drawback would let me put repeating on them lol
clever cobalt
Trying to figure out a good place for a Gnoll Mercenary to work in Avistan
Thinking a Hedge Knight style character
How's Taldor in 2e?
worthy stump
recovering from a civil war under a more progressive ruler
the River Kingdoms are a pretty merc heavy area, too
always some conflict or other to make money off of
silver geyser
There's the Druman Blackjackets.
eager mountain
Any Gnolls in Tian Xia?
I mean .... Im not sure ecologically
but im sure some could migrate
trail nova
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r0I-qvg2obDuHHE6Khe7yXYvluY-yBz3K-wf_pRGkXk/edit Wrote a 1e poppet race. Shouldn’t break games other than the tiny option.
(Yes, Construct type is scary. I’m pretty sure I got rid of all the scary parts)
(Other than not breathing/eating and disease/poison
clever cobalt
I wanna play an Exemplar so bad
But I dunno how to justify playing one
Or find a game where they'd be allowed 
silver geyser
God of Clowning appears in Extinction Curse 😄
Age of Ashes very easily justifies an Exemplar showing up as well imo
surreal basin
Ruby Phoenix also solid to have one just casually be in
coral anvil
Getting to try this in a couple of days. Gonna be playing an Unbreakable Goblin swashbuckler, who's got Gladiator as their background, and a Whip as their Goto weapon.
Gymnast as the swashbuckler type.
Took Extra Bouncy and the disarms are better + give me panache.
So just a little ball of chaos who's going steal everyone's weapons
worthy stump
sounds like a fun build
coral anvil
Yeah, i'm hoping to just be as much chaos as possible
frank crystal
Hmm, I wonder how good gravity weapon is for a precision ranger
turbid dagger
Extra damage for one action and one focus point
May as well
Honestly its probably best on a precision ranger
As it only procs on the first strike each round
And precision is already one shot one kill
frank crystal
Yah for sure
And like, flurry really has better things to do with its actions
Most namely just
Attacking again
And outwit is more utility focused anyway so you probably would just want to lean into that role even more
Also I think I’m still a bit 5e brained lol
I kinda forgot str rangers are very much a thing in this system
Going for a two handed weapon is definitely viable for rangers
Is precision rangers bonus damage also doubled on a crit?
turbid dagger
I think so
Typically damage says outright if it isn't multiplied
frank crystal
Sick
Then honestly, I think I kinda wanna go for a katana precision ranger build
I think it’s the highest base damage die of a two handed deadly weapon at a d10
So with deadly and precision ranger
Even if I don’t crit to often, god they’ll hit hard
turbid dagger
So with deadly and precision ranger
technically scythe is d10 deadly d10, but katanas are cooler
And more seriously deadly d10-> deadly d8 and versatile p/s is a solid enough trade
eager mountain
Or find a game where they'd be allowed <:PensiveCowboy:913918606570586134>
id just allow them
surreal basin
How do y’all feel about Warpriest getting master in their holy weapon
echo briar
I mean, it’s at level 19. At that point it’s fine lol
Assuming you are talking about the remaster
If not, it’s coming in the remaster. So it will be how it works in like a month
surreal basin
Oh yeah I meant in the remaster
Man that’s so late but I’ll accept it
Because now you get a thing cloister doesn’t
eager mountain
oof
clever cobalt
Are any of the 1e Campaign Setting books good at all?
I know they're not 100% accurate obviously, being from the last edition, but are any of them still decent reads?
I'm looking at Taldor The First Empire, if that matters
carmine egret
~~technically scythe is d10 deadly d10, but katanas are cooler~~
honestly Scythe Ranger sounds pretty dope, good "farmgirl-turned-adventurer" build
frank crystal
~~technically scythe is d10 deadly d10, but katanas are cooler~~
Ah shit you’re right yah
clever cobalt
id just allow them
that's true, but most GM's don't
for valid reasons, mind you
but still
frank crystal
Because they’re still in playtest or because they don’t fit the world?
silver geyser
Still in playtest in my case.
clever cobalt
either or
frank crystal
Ah alright
frank crystal
Huh
Looking back
I have yet to play, play with, or GM for a ranger
I think it’s the only one too
I’ve been in a game in some form with every other class at least once
turbid dagger
They're a little funky
If you don't invest in animal companions or warden spells then thematically they kind of wind up bein Odd Fighter
That said, I am in a game with one and they're quite nice
They're a flurry bow ranger with a wolf companion, and they pepper dudes with arrows while their dog helps my Fighter flank
frank crystal
Yah it does seem like a sick class, I just don’t think the players I know are super interested in the concept
Like I’ve only had one other druid as well
I just don’t think my friends are super interested in nature themed classes
turbid dagger
Not surprising
Bugs are out there
And snakes, also
frank crystal
True!
frank crystal
Also ngl, I don’t get why rangers have gravity weapon tbh
Like, I get gravity related magic tends to be in the primal school as well
But it doesn’t feel super intertwined with it
turbid dagger
Its a condensation of two of their big ranger spells in 1e
Lead Blades and Hurricane Bow
frank crystal
Ohhh
turbid dagger
Which do the same thing but one is melee one is ranged
frank crystal
We’re they both like, add a bonus to damage just for- yah melee and ranged
turbid dagger
It made them do damage as if they were one size larger
So cast lead blades on your medium longsword and you hit like a giant swinging a Large one
frank crystal
Oh, so they both just increased the weapons weight flavor wise
So they just made them literal gravity magic for 2e
Fair enough
Also it takes an interact action to change weapon grips right?
turbid dagger
Also it takes an interact action to change weapon grips right?
Free action to release a hand, one action to apply hand to sword
frank crystal
Oh
So going from two hands to one hands is a free action then
Nice
That means I can actually do something like free action then grapple for my katana ranger build
turbid dagger
Yeah, I tend to start my bastard sword fighter in a two hand grip in case I can get an easy flank at fight start, then switch to my normal one handed stance for athletics stuff, dueling parry, and snagging strike
frank crystal
Yah, though because I’m going ranger, I don’t have as much of that stuff for myself
So I’ll probably stick to two hands until I need or want to grapple/push/trip someone
upbeat ridge
Are any of the 1e Campaign Setting books good at all?
They rewrote some of golarions lore going into 2e, in 1e golarion was basically pretty close to being grimdark and was definitley kinda edgy. Some of the stuff was a Yikes too
upbeat ridge
It is in a VASTLY better state now
carmine egret
Some of the older stuff is still good
I just wouldn't say it's wildly consistent
idk about the Talor book specifically
surreal basin
So in an extremely funny turn of events I’ve been playing the dark archive oneshots
Man some of them are uhhh
Not good
frank crystal
What are those?
surreal basin
The dark archive book has a tiny one shot for each of its chapters
Focusing on what that chapter was about, so cryptid or secret societies or deviant abilities
Some of them are fun, like the cursed chapter
The deviant ability is a dungeon crawl that you can skip half and culminates in a nearly unwinnable fight
surreal basin
Have you ever wanted to fight a bullete at level 6 that has regeneration that’s only shut off cold damage
And also it has a breath weapon
solar tendon
I don't think we finished it though cause after barely surviving ||the night|| we decided it was in character to evacuate haha
clever cobalt
Some of the older stuff is still good
Such as? Genuinely curious
The Lost Omens books are good but can be ironically limited for a lot of Avistan stuff
Beyond World Guide
sinful gyro
or wait was that book of the dead
Book of the dead was a town taken over by zombies yeah
carmine egret
Such as? Genuinely curious
To be earnest I don't have like, specific books in mind, it's just that PF1 writing in general was sometimes good and sometimes bad.
I think it's fair to say that the stuff from later in the system's life cycle was closer to 2E in tone and quality
silver geyser
Guide to the River Kingdoms is genuinely good, and I love the Korvosa city guide.
unborn rain
I don't think we finished it though cause after barely surviving ||the night|| w...
The fact you survived at all is crazy because you were only 3 players and I didn't know how to adjust fights yet
I'd like to maybe do more with those characters at some point but the like epilogue "here's some info if you want to continue" is kind of based off of information you never found
solar tendon
mm
I like my funky lil traumatised knight gal
want to play more eye of dread/lastwall stuff in general
sinful gyro
Do folks mind me brain storming some pf2e characters?
I'm wanting to be a small ancestry, gnome or ratfolk I'm thinking
For an abomination vaults game
Like ratfolk ruin explorer maybe?
Not sure how to make a good gnome thou
surreal basin
So there’s this weapon ;p
sinful gyro
:p not a martial ideally
silver geyser
Is the gnome ripsaw still a thing?
surreal basin
:p not a martial ideally
Yeah sorry I was joking about the flickmace
In that case the classic is illusion wizard
sinful gyro
Is all good
silver geyser
Gnome Kineticist could be cool
sinful gyro
Kineticist would be fun
turbid dagger
Not sure how to make a good gnome thou
Gnomes make really good psychics iirc
You can snag electric arc with first world magic and then make it a psychic spell with ancestral mind, giving the 'damage cantrip class' the best damage cantrip
Admittedly with no amp
And then theres stuff like Empthetic Plea which is just generically good
sinful gyro
How is psychic in generalm?
turbid dagger
Blaster Caster that has less spell slots than most but also doesn't care about spellslots as much
With a barbarian esque spell 'rage'
surreal basin
They’re pretty good
warped orbit
Psychic is fine
also varies a bit between conscious Minds I think
some are a bit better than others
silver geyser
Yeeee
carmine egret
I dig that
clever cobalt
Hmm
Debating if I want to go with a "god of death" vibe for my theoretical Exemplar
Or if I wanna go a more "hercules" route, being a big brusier with a maul
Caped Weirdo with Scythe vs Jagganoth but not evil
sinful gyro
Background: Ruin Explorer
FA: Talisman Dabbler
(visually, a young ratfolk with purple eyes, covered in belts and bandoliers jangling with trinkets and baubles)
Lolo Zess (LZ to their friends) was born, as many ratfolks are, into a family of 100s on (or beneath) the streets of Absalom. Their large family was always a chatter with noise and commotion, but somehow even from a young age they were able to find their siblings in a crowd or had a sense for when a threat was coming to their home. It wasn't until, when told to pass the salt, that they realized they were different from the rest as their family as the salt shaker floated over to the far side of the table. From then on their trained and honed their power to help their family survive, through both heroic and sometimes less heroic means.
When they were older, as was tradition, they left home in search of valubles to bring back to the family so that they may continue to live and thrive in Absalom. Each member had carved them a good luck charm for their trip (hence talisman dabbler). Given their knack for sensing danger they decided to start exploring the ruins around Absalom and neighbouring Otari and learning from Wrin good places to explore.
Background: Witchlight Follower
FA: Loremaster
(visually, a old punk gnome with metal piercings and multicolored hair)
Krin is an gnome who lives to rebel. Being a Gnome, they can live for a very long time if they can avoid the bleaching, and the best way to do that is to have new experiences. The best way to keep having new experiences? Keep making things change. Their looks, their attitude, their location, their goals, the status quo, Krin likes to keep it in flux. Sometimes they stick around in a troubled area to support a home grown revolution, sometimes they hop on a passing trading caravan just for the hell of it, sometimes they stories they tell you might even be true. They've seen a lot and want to see more. They're in Otari on a whim, exploring the island to see what peaks their interests; and that interest was peaked when they spied the Corpse Lights. They've since travelled to Otari and have become friends with Wrin to learn more about the lights origins. ```Here's what I came up with
frank crystal
Hmm, looking at it more I really think ranger may be the martial class with one of the least reasons to go for an unarmed build
surreal basin
The only time I’ve seen an unarmed ranger was flurry ranger w heavens thunder
frank crystal
That is nice but also that makes your first turns: choose your hunters mark, go into unarmed stance, activate heavens thunder
warped orbit
The only time I’ve seen an unarmed ranger was flurry ranger w heavens thunder
oh god
with old Heaven's Thunder I assume?
frank crystal
Actually now I wanna know, does unarmed attacks count as two weapons for twin takedown if you have a stance that doesn’t lock you into its stance attack?
frank crystal
Ok then yah that’s significantly weaker then I was thinking
unborn rain
it's to stop duelist stuff and duel weapon stuff stacking I think
frank crystal
Yah makes sense
I was kinda imagining an impossible flurry ranger doing that
Then yah unarmed ranger just, doesn’t seem to have a lot of gas besides that one build
frank crystal
I mean also fighter and barb
unborn rain
Barb yeah, I don't think Fighter has that many great stuff with it?
warped orbit
a lot of metastrikes still work fine with Unarmed
solar tendon
fighter is where half the wrestler feats come from
so kinda eclipsed by wrestler somewhat but yeah
warped orbit
and yeah they got Combat Grab, Snagging Strike, etc
Dazing Blow is also pretty cool
unborn rain
All of those are better with a weapon though
frank crystal
I mean you can go martial artists to grab unarmed strikes that are equivalent to weapons+their additional effects, and they have the benefit of being the only good unarmed class with full heavy armor prof
solar tendon
fighters also just still has the better proficiency progression
turbid dagger
A late game Flurry Ranger with Monk dedication might be nice
Because monk stances are the best agile 'weapons'
And Flurry Of Blows is twin takedown but you can use it with unarmed
unborn rain
Flurry of Blows lets you attack with the same weapon twice with monk weaponry
surreal basin
with old Heaven's Thunder I assume?
Yeah
surreal basin
That is nice but also that makes your first turns: choose your hunters mark, go ...
Also yes it was their dbz powerup
frank crystal
You know what? fair
surreal basin
Later on they also added the final form feat into the mix
frank crystal
That’s pretty rad
surreal basin
It was for Ruby Phoenix
frank crystal
That fits
stuck bane
My alchemist player asked if they could use the rushed work rules for developing new bomb recipes via the inventor feat, and I said yes. We decided that quirks rolled would be permanent qualities of all bombs made using that recipe. So now they have alignment ampoules that bounce when dropped and bottled lightning that’s unusually cool to the touch
solar tendon
nice!!!
coral anvil
Just using the bottled lighting to chill that parties drinks, nbd
Everyone knows healing potion only tastes good when it's nearly frozen
turbid dagger
Flurry of Blows lets you attack with the same weapon twice with monk weaponry
Thats true, but this is in the context of making an unarmed ranger
If you want to double attack with a weapon as flurry ranger you are probably best off just swinging two swords around with twin takedown
frank crystal
So other then barbarians not liking agile weapons
Is there any real difference reason to use backswing over agile?
turbid dagger
Is there any real difference reason to use backswing over agile?
Backswing typically finds itself on weapons with bigger dice than agile
Agile is hard capped to d6 outside of Monk's stances
surreal basin
yeah
in terms of in a vaccuum it's strictly worse
unless it has both
while would be fun
an agile backswing weapon
frank crystal
Ah alright
surreal basin
Oh shit wild
warped orbit
But yes Backswing and Sweep are mostly just worse Agile
But you just don't get agile on big weapons generally
turbid dagger
A d8 agile twohander would be cool I think
Monks get it, anyone with martial artists can get it
Its not like, proscribed in theory
warped orbit
But yes Backswing and Sweep are mostly just worse Agile
But you just don't get a...
Sweep at least has Swipe and Whirlwind Attack synergy I guess
surreal basin
Want to make this fella into a horrible predator from my settings mutagenic nightmare underdark that came up to the surface
(Cause the players left a big hole to the underdark open for like a month)
frank crystal
Oh Jesus
What are you thinking for for their statblock?
Any abilities you wanna give them?
surreal basin
Not sure! Was hoping to mine yall for some ideas
frank crystal
Ohhh
unborn rain
Tremor sense is a given I think
frank crystal
Well for one, a fear ability like wights have is an obvious choice
Just look at the thing
unborn rain
Or maybe scent and all those weird holes are noses or something
Terrifying precense is a very good shout
surreal basin
Mhmhmhm
unborn rain
Claw attack, Jaw attack, maybe a toungue attack?
frank crystal
Yah a leap ability would fit
Also maybe a pack tactics thing?
Do these things hunt in packs?
unborn rain
I think that sort of thing works better as a solo threat than a group of them
surreal basin
nah was thinkin like a Trex thing
frank crystal
Ah alright
surreal basin
Probably like level 14-15
I made a different creature from this plane whose bit was being able to see in infrared and teleport around with some paralysis venom it could spit at people
turbid dagger
It seems like it'd be one of those things that'd have those draconic frenzy style 'freak the fuck out multiattack' abilities
Like a two claw strikes and a jaw strike, if they all hit the target's immobilized versus an escape DC (as its hands seem kind of gooey)
frank crystal
Also maybe a way to deafen people?
unborn rain
maybe some psychic stuff? Like a couple of focus spells
frank crystal
With how many things in the underdark rely on stuff other then sight
surreal basin
Mhmhm
frank crystal
Giving them a way to cut off a key sense would fit
surreal basin
Awful idea: it has spores from a symbiotic plant that lives in it's weird body holes
that it can create a big poison cloud of
unborn rain
It having weird plant stuff could make for an interesting map effect
like it hasnt been out long and it's already set up some like Spore Hazards around it
surreal basin
Oooo maybe like, it's constantly surrounded by a fog
unborn rain
Spore fog which gets deactivated by fire damage maybe?
surreal basin
ooo that'd be nice
I do know better than to give it a confusion aura
(that tends to suck)
surreal basin
Oo?
frank crystal
But it starts at a weaker effect
Before needing more saves to go into its stronger effect
frank crystal
Like it’s first a save to not be made clumsy
Oh
Well I haven’t looked at PF2E medusas yet to be fair
surreal basin
Oh I like the idea of it making you clumsy
like the spores fuck with your limbic system
frank crystal
Yah
frank crystal
Yah like, it goes save for clumsy, save for slow, then save for confusion
frank crystal
Make it clear this is an effect that’s getting worse
And you need to get out while you can
surreal basin
Mhm
unborn rain
Rounding back to the leap idea maybe some like rough or dangerous terain about which it can avoid by leaping
frank crystal
**FATAL TIME**
God who could run a boss fight with deadly or fatal… pushes my war automaton with a glaive out of the way
surreal basin
Rounding back to the leap idea maybe some like rough or dangerous terain about w...
That’d be interesting
Hmmmm
Tbh I could run this as a potential random encounter AND as a bounty-hunt thing
thorny berry
ooh I'm looking at higher level spells for thaumaturge/sorc/sixth pillar (ty free archetype)
that's kinda hot
hell of a swing
surreal basin
Since with the way it’s legs are set up it looks like it can kinda just jump up to attack their airship
surreal basin
https://2e.aonprd.com/Spells.aspx?ID=1278
Wild
thorny berry
net 3-4 swing by itself, up to 5-6 at level 8
turbid dagger
https://2e.aonprd.com/Spells.aspx?ID=1278
Holy shit
This would have kicked ass as my Scroll Thaum's wonder worker spell
Even as just a way to apply a status penalty to attack
thorny berry
8 is also when draw the lightning can get upcast
turbid dagger
This always happens when I make builds that mess around with spells
I always find something a little bit better than what I was using after the fact
turbid dagger
Ohhh, nvm
Firebrands was banned in the game I was playing that dude in
Still, good to know for the future
surreal basin
I love how good they are
thorny berry
God I love draw the lightning
that, blink strike, and assault aegis or w/e it's called are some of the big ones I've been looking at
surreal basin
You’re a thaum as your main class?
thorny berry
yeah hang on-
uses the fact that FA/main class feats have separate archetype feat lockout things
so it's a bit confusing
surreal basin
Yo you know what
Sixth Pillar Master + Blink Strike is a solid combo
As is True Strike + SPM
thorny berry
I'd argue that blink strike doesn't quite work
since you haven't finished casting spell until it's done resolving
so you don't get the attack bonus until after
true strike though ye
but then again by 14 you probably have another status bonus source tbh
surreal basin
Probably not consistently ime
surreal basin
Permanent status bonuses are super rare especially to hitting
warped orbit
Bard moment
warped orbit
also Heroism spam ye
surreal basin
Personally I’d let SPM bonus apply to the attack from the Blink Strike
Because it doesn’t say after you cast a spell
It says when you cast a spell
warped orbit
a wand of Heroism 6 is only 3000 gold
surreal basin
It only lasts 10 minutes tho which is like
Maybe 2 fights
If you do really well in the first one
Point being that there are def places to use it
Is all
turbid dagger
Can you sort monsters on Nethys by what special abilities they have?
Like, every monster with Rend or Grab
solar tendon
I think the best you can do is search the ability you want and then limit the results to monsters
will get some false positives
turbid dagger
Alright, I got "rend" in quotes and sorted by creatures, that seemed to work
Which, by the by, led me to this fucking thing https://2e.aonprd.com/Monsters.aspx?ID=809
Which seems like, ridiculous for a level 1 monster
Rend on an Agile Reach d8 attack, and Pounce
Also find it hilarious that three toed sloths have Rend
turbid dagger
Its a cool little feature
Eidolons can get it via an evolution feat, which has always greatly intrigued me
warped orbit
Which seems like, ridiculous for a level 1 monster
offensively they're definitely pretty spooky
relatively low AC for the level though, and not that tough
also the Solifugids are funny because you have the level 1 version
and then the giant version at level 18
turbid dagger
Yeah, that seems to be a common theme with Generic Animal Monsters
You get the level -1 to 1 range 'animal' and/or 'giant animal'
And the level 16 'MOONLIT DIRE IGUANA' or what have you
turbid dagger
Exact level as a Troll lmao
Statting out animals is always fun
I remember the one time I made a 3.5 char he had the same strength score as a tiger at level 1
But yeah, I want to dig through the bestiary some and find cool low level monsters in hope of running a game some time
I've got foundry but have only used it for lancer
May as well try running The Big One on it
turbid dagger
Player Level+3 is like, a solid level for a solo boss right
I know PL+4 is like absolute upper limit nightmare hellboss
trail nova
Depends on the player level.
A Player Level+3 is a lot tougher at level 1 or 2 than level 19 or 20z
Just due to some things about how hit points and a few other things scale.
turbid dagger
I see
So PL+2 is probably a more reasonable solo boss for a level 1 game
That is, level 3
robust heron
ehh, a PL+2 isn't really a solo boss even at +1
it can murder your party, but like
a grizzly bear or a moose ain't gonna be as exciting
warped orbit
honestly, I would avoid even a +2 at level 1
robust heron
nah, it's completely fine
warped orbit
I just think level 1 is still a bit volatile against PL+ enemies
trail nova
Yeah, just because HP scales so rapidly.
warped orbit
it evens out much more once you hit like, level 3 or so
trail nova
Level 1 to level 2 is a… 50% increase in HP? About? That’s a big deal
warped orbit
now I do think level 1 in PF2 works relatively well
but its better to stick to group fights IMO
one PL+1 and two PL-1 can be a decent one
surreal basin
I think you should still spend not very long at level 1 personally
Like even compared to how long you spend at other levels
silver geyser
Just long enough to get used to your unique class features.
turbid dagger
How about this for a level 1 'big encounter'
A deinonychus, a grimple, and a tooth fairy
(story I've slapped together so far to justify this is that malevolent fey are causing havoc in the sacred grove of an elderly druid in the realm of the mammoth lords, driving the animals there wild)
The deinonychus is suffering from gremlin lice and can't remove it, so folks have a slightly easier time hitting it with will spells or demoralize and such
The grimple is riding around on the deinonychus and causes trouble with Grease, thrown rocks, and putrid vomit. If it gets knocked off somehow the deinonychus will attempt to attack it as if it were a PC
The Tooth Fairy is flying in and out of reach trying to pull teeth (which makes people flat footed to the deinonychus due to Predator's Advantage)
Oh wait, grimples and tooth fairies would be PL-2, not -1, level 0 monsters are a thing
More grimples and tooth fairies then, maybe
Or I could be a bastard and have a Pugwampi be the deino rider