Yeah I got like 10k
#POKÉMON CENTER
pliant violet
obtuse ravine
oh same! I meant after my battles, I get a more than a full division up per win in poke ball tier
despite having no winstreak
pliant violet
Oh I think that just happens in pokeball and great ball
pliant violet
@snow wren https://youtu.be/anOebjU76Jc?si=qqx4MfkPSXFNvJlC tr team using mimikyu
pliant violet
@obtuse ravine have you tried using after you on the mega rabbit?
obtuse ravine
i haven't!
who would that be useful with
also saw this funny bunny vid pop up
interesting seeing giga impact in this team and the japanese regionals one, I guess it's nice to have more consistent damage and stab to just kill people 
snow wren
Ice type needs some more resistances it’s laughably bad in the current state, bug and rock also have massive downsides but there’s at least niches for them like rockslide and first impressions/powder
round perch
Artist does some rare NSFW.
civic mountain
wrong channel ;p
runic umbra
god yeah, they fixed the desigm
karmic imp
Pmoon messed me up
Was thinking pokemon strats and thought of clashing before remembering pokemon doesn't have these
arctic dagger
NGL, idk what that is
quaint hollow
obtuse ravine
ough.. i think vivillon is very far away in SV from where I am in game..
guess i'll just have to get lucky
manic kindle
i believe in your powers
pliant violet
karmic imp
NGL, idk what that is
In 2/3 pmoon games, everyturn both sides clash their moves against each other, to both hit abd weaken/break each other's moves
manic kindle
obtuse ravine
me
grass type moves used: 105
ground type moves used: 71
rock type moves used: 303
i think normal was 215 😭
snow wren
I have a ton of rock moves used
quiet galleon
I got normal to 500 the other day which I guess is mostly protect and fake out
snow wren
I didn't even think about protect counting that up
obtuse ravine
i believe in your powers
I GOT IT
thank u for believing in me...
it was on a pull where I used a water ticket to aim for a male Basculegion (I got another female one)
snow wren
I wonder when next month pokemon champions is planning on releasing on mobile
obtuse ravine
👀
snow wren
Yeah it’s very good
snow wren
I remember buterfree seeing playing in swsh meta for similar reasons
snow cobalt
languid lichen
cute
snow wren
I’m looking forwards to seeing what moms are brought in next, probably going to coincide with the full mobile release
pliant violet
moms
snow wren
what is it about ariados that is making it see play in the meta?
peak island
https://bsky.app/profile/nekojiima.bsky.social/post/3mlvzdhoves2o
I HC my character and partner in PMD2 as being in a relationship too
soft isleBOT
As do we all
mellow robin
what is it about ariados that is making it see play in the meta?
combines rage powder and non-TR speed control in one mon
super resistant to sneaseler
obtuse ravine
https://bsky.app/profile/nekojiima.bsky.social/post/3mlvzdhoves2o
aww
arctic dagger
His Typhlosion w/ Burn Up is SO MUCH DAMAGE
XD
Also Whirlpool/Life Dew Milotic next to Yawn Meowstic just to make people miserable lmao
Hello you're about to fall asleep if you don't switch. Also you can't switch.
There's also another m-lop team here for @obtuse ravine . Sylv/Talonflame/Bascu/M-Drago/Archaludon
No rain despite having M-Drago, Archalu, and Bascu
Just does priority tailwind on Talonflame and hits people really hard
Also no item on talonflame just to guarantee Acrobatics
@pliant violet Team 9 is a wild Trick Room team with M-Camerupt and M-Crab, Azu, Gallade, Kingambit, Farig
Orthworm as a M-Blastoise partner for M-Blast to Shell Smash is neat tech.
obtuse ravine
There's also another m-lop team here for <@279794482738888714> . Sylv/Talonflam...
hey i have all of these 👀
snow wren
Huh I never realized deoxys was a 600 bst non rather than a restricted stat total
arctic dagger
....Restricted stat totals?
vague tide
the roughly 675~ bst that box legendaries and similar (that are usually restricted in various formats) usually get
arctic dagger
Huh, never heard that as a term before.
snow wren
Feels a bit strange teams in many formats are allowed a restricted Pokémon but mythical are banned. I guess mythicals tend to be harder to acquire however
pliant violet
do people have opinions on how good comatose would be if they put it on a good pokemon?
arctic dagger
sleep doesn't activate facade
Huh, I thought it did, my b
sudden spade
...huh, I was gunna say 'The pokemon with Comatose feels like it could easily get an evolution. It's a single stage pokemon with mediocre stats.' but then I checked and it's BST 480
That is a lot better than I thought it was.
pliant violet
no moves
sudden spade
Dark/Normal Komala Drop Bear Evolution with some actually good moves. XD
quiet galleon
iirc there's not actually a whole lot of good sleep payoffs even including the ones komala doesn't get for some reason
pliant violet
Dark/Normal Komala Drop Bear Evolution with some actually good moves. XD
sold, simply do not worry about fighting types
make it dual theme with drop bears and nightmares
quiet galleon
but if they added a better one or buffed an existing one maybe?
pliant violet
iirc there's not actually a whole lot of good sleep payoffs even including the o...
being immune to all status is a decent payoff, and if you give it an evo you get to give it a signture
sudden spade
sold, simply do not worry about fighting types
Close Combat doesn't exist, don't worry about it. Innocent
quiet galleon
I feel like a signature that's a sleep payoff is just a signature
that's like. idk immune to copycat maybe
sudden spade
Yeah, being immune to status means it can come in on some threats that would otherwise body a physical attacker.
Like Will O Wisp spamming
quiet galleon
status immunity is useful obviously
give it to a pokemon with psycho shift and make psycho shift work with comatose
for non powder 100% accurate sleep
pliant violet
I think I'd be more impressed with comatose if komala had good stats and learned moves
an evo would absolutely do it
what's the average bst increase on evo? (ignoring shedinja)
especially single evolution lines
quiet galleon
archaludon and farigiraf gain 65
pliant violet
that seems like a reasonable bump then
arctic dagger
I'm a little worried about eviolite komala
pliant violet
why?
sudden spade
I think the protection against Eviolite Komala is 'base 60 def, base 60 speed, normal typing'
arctic dagger
65!
But yeah checking the movelist it's not like it has great utility anyway
So going full defensive investment isn't supre useful
manic kindle
do people have opinions on how good comatose would be if they put it on a good p...
Burn immune physical attacker is always nice
languid lichen
do people have opinions on how good comatose would be if they put it on a good p...
one of the best abilities in the game
having played multiple metagames where this is a practical and not a hypothetical, i can confirm with firsthand experience
the two most common forms of abuse are sleep talk phasing and just doing garganacl shit
garganacl shit is good, but sleep talk phasing is what actually matters
snow wren
Is garg a good mon? I’ve heard good things but it is really not good into this meta
round perch
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azure crane
crude moon
i remain subscribed to this channel exclusively for its thumbnails
fickle thicket
i just love his sense of humor
at any point he'll just say some bullshit and then carry on
"There are restriction in place in the world. The universe has dictated that you can only do four things. You are only able to do four techniques. If you cannot operate within this framework then you are useless to me, Vaporeon, and you must leave." just off the cuff and then immediately carries on with zama, zenta
karmic imp
arctic dagger
Are there any weather or terrain effects that there isn't a legendary that sets it?
Sand stream is the only one I can think of offhand
Actually, do we have a snow too...
Yeah...
All of the terrains have a tapu
So it's just snow and sand?
Now I kinda want to make a legendary duo that set sand and snow
manic kindle
I think so! Sand has T-tar and Hippowdon for sand stream and good ole Sandspit from the cobras; Snow/Hail has Snow Warning but no silly ability setting
I think a sand/snow duo could be neat, theres some natural opposition there
arctic dagger
And a tundra/desert central asian region would go kinda hard, IMO
The other big option I can think of would be the rocky mountains with cold snow right next to deserts
arctic dagger
Is there a nordic desert?
manic kindle
no but thats never stopped them from pulling inspo from other places
arctic dagger
Hmm. Actually, interesting thought here
If you go with the nordic theme
What if it's a water/ground beaches legendary
Instead of desert
My thought is like, a living dragonship.
manic kindle
oh thats sick
arctic dagger
Although then I kinda want to make it dragon instead of water lmao
Just for the name pun
But I think water fits better
OH.
Water/rock with levitate
manic kindle
Dragonship Pokemon is fun because we have a nice roster of pokemon-that-pokemon-ride like Lapras, and having a big ole capstone one is fun
arctic dagger
It sails on ground and sea
Oh no wait I just said I wanted it to have sand stream lmao
Hmm
I think a rock/water with levitate as a boat is a good fakemon concept, but I don't think it's the legendary sand streamer
Although actually it should probably just be a Hafgufa
manic kindle
i always love just throwing ideas around to rotate and see what fits
manic kindle
idk the dragonship having like, a cool relationship with the Perrserker line and stuff begins to just build up the environment
manic kindle
and big ox is a fun space to design from
arctic dagger
Yeh
Could give it a mix of purifying salt and sand stream
Probably just the status save and not the ghost-type stuff?
Like sand stream with immunity to status in sand
manic kindle
big ability that still feels in line with like, the sumo legendary ability design and such
arctic dagger
Yeah, I was thinking of the gen9 legendaries that do a terrain or a weather and then a bonus
I like that a lot.
Should it have a secondary typing?
It's a primordial cow goddess, kinda arceus-like for nordic myth
...What if it's just a regional arceus?
We have regional legendaries already
That feels like it wouldn't be a box legend though
manic kindle
pokemon could play around in the space more on varying creation myths like that
arctic dagger
Yeah, I just worry that we've ended up in a place where it's not the box legend again. Maybe that's ok though.
If it's not the box legend, then the cold legend to reflect it should ALSO be a regional legendary
Instead of a brand new one
Isn't Ratatoskr also associated with time?
Could it be regional Celebi?
Hmm I'm not finding anything on this outside of fiction, I think I mighta been gaslit by variants rather than original myth.
manic kindle
i could see an interpretation since he travels the world tree branches
arctic dagger
Oh, duh, Ratatoskr is regional mew, right?
Fluffy mew
Trickster rodent thing
Reflects mew and arceus both being creator god pokemon kinda
manic kindle
i do love the idea of using this as a chance to do a sort of regional mythicals
arctic dagger
Psychic/Ice with snow warning regional mew
What should the secondary benefit of the snow warning be?
manic kindle
my original idea was to pair with the status immunity sand legend and give a form of snow prankster but i feel like thats a bit much
arctic dagger
Oh god snow prankster mew
Sounds PERFECT though
And makes up for the fact you just can't change its statline from being the garbage 100 across the board
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SbSZtnmi_gsvWmPd_7TTsH_nYSj3h6gTgpcarz-zR_Y/edit?gid=0#gid=0
Starting to record stuff
How do we feel about regional galarian pokemon? My first thought was Inteleon but a Skald
manic kindle
you know how lizards can have dewlaps / the notable flesh under the chin? Inteleon where the dewlap is like a harp
manic kindle
gallade/gardevoir would be fun to give regional forms to
arctic dagger
I've got a lot of old water type pokemon I think would fit in the waters of the area, but I'm having a hard time thinking of comparative numbers of land-based pokemon
Any recs?
manic kindle
gotta get some bugs in here
arctic dagger
Yeah, I wanna do a regional vespiquen and an evo for frosmoth probably?
And I think shuckle fits
As well as golosipod
arctic dagger
Wut no
I'm not giving shuckle and golosipod evos
Just frosmoth lmao
Uhm, so atm I'm looking at needing 2 box evos, a regional or evo for vespiquen, an evo for frosmoth, regional dusknoir and bisharp split evo, regional snorlax, a metal music version of toxtricity, a regional wailord, something for representing jarls(maybe a regional nidoking/queen?), a regional noctowl/wormadam, an operatic singer meloetta, and a regional gogoat, plus anything else I can think of for scandinavian pokemon
So if any of those interest you I'm happy to talk about it
I need more... Fighting types, poison types, a bit more fire, electric, and fairy, and I don't need more water, normal, or ice
Just off my current spread
languid lichen
i'm so angry
snow wren
That’s like a 3-4% chance if that happening right there
fickle thicket
https://thelensart.tumblr.com/post/815860924141436928/local-bumpkin-tries-to-nav...
@newyorkers what's so strange about it
blissful needle
snow wren
I guess im a basic guy then huh
Mimi is my favourite
I didn’t realize the tapus were so unliked
They are very low
dusty prairie
soft isleBOT
I like how all of the ogerpon ones are people going "she's my adorable daughter and I love her!"
How is iron-leaves the lowest ranked one 😔
jovial rampart
Every Pokémon is someone's favorite and I genuinely love that for them.
snow cobalt
absol enjoyers positively correlated with social media use 📝
obtuse ravine
aww server issues, can't submit mine
umbral hound
same
quiet galleon
:(((
blissful needle
Kinda surprised Absol is so high
I have seen enough horny fanart of it that I know he is not that popular, but it is a fav in the middle area
pliant violet
...
obtuse ravine
idk if mine's submitted, and i can't seem to check
how did y'all get to the comments?
the whole pokedex is hidden for me
quiet galleon
I think we just gotta wait till the server is upgraded
quaint hollow
Bnnuy
quiet galleon
Read the messages for leavanny after submitting her and they were so sweet 🥲
fickle thicket
https://favoritepokemon.vercel.app/#/
https://www.rxddit.com/r/TwoBestFriendsPla...
amazing
wow, my own top 2 is also the top 2 lmao
I expected more gen 1 dominance, only 22% of the top 100
took a quick look at the top 100 by generation, and it's kind of interesting how quickly it drops off after gen 5. The first 5 gens all have 15+ in the top 100, while gens 6-9 have 5 or fewer
such a stark difference
mellow robin
there's def some nostalgia factor but that doesn't surprise me
fickle thicket
the trend doesn't surprise me, the sheerness of the drop-off does
(also the fact that 7 is below 6, alola has some phenomenal designs)
also gen 8 is the only one with not a single entry in the top 50 lol
quiet galleon
I mean I think for me at least when picking one favourite time is a pretty big factor
Even though I would call a lot of recent pokemon among my favourites
fickle thicket
sure but alola is already a decade old
there's adult fans who genuinely grew up with X and Y as much as older gens
top 200 looks more like what I expected, though I'm still surprised at the lack of gen 1 bias
I think from here on it's just going to look more and more like the relative size of each new batch
...or maybe not? As a last thing, I wanted to look at the bottom 100
snow wren
The reduction each gen is a clear tend
fickle thicket
Keeping in mind that these aren't the 100 most disliked pokémon but just the 100 no one chose
I didn't expect that gen 5 spike
snow wren
Although Mimi is top 1 so maybe it’d look different with the total votes
fickle thicket
total votes... I could see what those look like, though maybe not top 100
arctic dagger
I didn't expect that gen 5 spike
Gen5 is expected to me. It was the first gen that just didn't have older pokemon in it
fickle thicket
I don't see how that's related
arctic dagger
It has a lot of "filler" pokemon basically
And they were trying out new aesthetics to make the new region look different
Because it was supposed to be completely isolated from the other regions for the first time
blissful needle
Although Mimi is top 1 so maybe it’d look different with the total votes
I think its worth pointing out
how many mons the new gens added?
gen 5 was the biggest being entirely unique mons having like... 156 mons?
gen 6 gave us 70
gen 7 gave us 80 and also the regionals
quiet galleon
sure but alola is already a decade old
Shh noo aaa 😭
fickle thicket
Okay, this is top 100 vote count
you can really see here that gens 8 and 9's highest pokémon are in spot 86 and 42 respectively, while the rest all get into the top 13
and there's that gen 1 bias I expected!
fickle thicket
Although Mimi is top 1 so maybe it’d look different with the total votes
good call
snow wren
Wow even Mimi at top 1 didnt bring gen 7 up that much
fickle thicket
probably because the next highest gen 7 is rowlet at #35
finally, this is the top 100 vote count except I fabricated 100000 votes for shedinja
timber vale
finally, this is the top 100 vote count except I fabricated 100000 votes for she...
excellent work. the data we all needed
obtuse ravine
blowing you up with my mind
snow wren
man glimmora whimsicott is just everywhere huh
when I get back another chance I may try retooling my trick room team to have a tailwind setting with glimmora and whimsi
althoug hits not a meta team, mimikyu setter with m.abomasnow and rhypeior
arctic dagger
Heyyy
We talked about this team a bit back
@pliant violet I remember you were interested in this team, and this goes into it in a lot more detail
snow wren
so whats the logic behind the really popular whimsicott/glimmora opener?
arctic dagger
Whims prankster utility = good, glimmora one-shots charizard and does good work vs a lot of the other meta picks atm
This goes into it in detail
snow wren
and I guess they also do a good job of covering one another, although there's the obvious weakpoints of steel and poison types; since the bulkier ones can probably survive earth power
manic kindle
it also easily threatens misplays
if you hit Protect in the wrong spot once Whimsicott kills you
arctic dagger
Well, and the main steel type you're going to see regularly is Arch, who you just don't really want to run this vs
Although I've seen earth power on glimm who is able to hit arch pretty hard still
manic kindle
Yeah arch usually doesnt have the freedom to spec into any sp def investment
arctic dagger
But usually I see the energy ball version seen in the vid, to threaten bascu
Since basically every single team runs bascu
And otherwise you can't really do anything vs it
manic kindle
iirc earth power glimmora reliably hits ~80% into most Archaludons
thats a lot!! even with lefties+protect
but even without it, ignoring arch, glimmora threatens Every Arch Partner
so you just clean up and then run a steel killer in the other 3 slots
arctic dagger
Yeah, I think usually you just accept you don't have a kill on arch with glimm
Esp. because glimm is usually with Charizard who uh
Kinda destroys arch with weather ball IIRC
manic kindle
cuz arch doesnt have a clean kill on glimmora anyways
flash cannon can force focus sash but like, then what
arctic dagger
I'm really liking the switching we've been seeing to weather megas in the back usually
It makes a lot more sense than trying to do the initial fight on weather when it can go so badly sometimes
manic kindle
i got trapped into being forced to use flash cannon and then eating the whimsicott taunt on flash cannon so they could freely switch back in charizard
it was rough
all this to say i really like the pairing i think its a fun thinky opening duo
snow wren
wow gholdengo is pretty scary with make it rain, thats an incredibly powerful move
quiet galleon
The fairy feather going from sylveon to whims is pretty key I think
With sash being so good on glimorra
Special ground damage is pretty rare but super useful as well
I have an idea and I had a good feeling game testing out but I think theres some interesting synergies in Delphox Tsareena and Alolan Ninetaled
And I have also glimmora on the team shes really good haha
But yeah delphox's speed is really nice for stuff like psychic on glimmora/sneasler, and she can do fast encore. Tsareena seems like between queenly majesty and coverage moves she can cover for delphox really well
Cause like gambit sucker punch or basc aqua jet are really scary
While scarf low kick or trop kick can threaten big damage
And then I think also ninetales is neat for encore+disable maybe, weather control, icy wind speed control
arctic dagger
Ia this an m Delphox?
quiet galleon
Oh, yeah
snow wren
its hilarious how much wolfy videos are basically
"alright I've got this team with five pokemon and just need something else. Guess I'm putting incineroad (followed by a joke about him hating incin)
snow wren
hard trick room is falling out of favor in the ghier ranks of the meta huh
manic kindle
incineroar really does fit on most teams
snow wren
Wheezing slaking and amoongus are the mons im interested in seeing in champions
Luna trick room could be neat but I dislike the power creep stat sticks on principle
arctic dagger
Why Slaking?
snow wren
because slaking/weezing sounds like a really fun combo to run
Hisuian typhlosian looks neat
snow wren
Was watching wolfy’s most evil team video ans they looked fun to use
pliant violet
hard trick room is falling out of favor in the ghier ranks of the meta huh
It was never really super in favour
fickle thicket
It has a lot of "filler" pokemon basically
I missed this, but this does make a lot of sense actually
snow wren
Yeah people tried a lot of mons, m.abom, m.crabominbable, m.camerupt, m.golurk, and they just don’t match up to the meta threats very well
Torkaol got the best performance but that’s a 450 bst mon
Hard trick room monotype normal could be neat to play
An ursaluna with porygon2, firsgiraf, and then a h.zoroark for shenanigans
arctic dagger
If you were a geodude, do you think it'd be like the entire world was made of flesh
hardy hull
Is Geodude made of World, or is the World made of Geodude? He screams, for he does not know
obtuse ravine
😨
quiet galleon
This is a very cool team that uses an obscure interaction
And gets use out of lopunny both mega and non mega!
arctic dagger
I... Don't get why Lopunny needs to be a mega here. Is it just to Scrappy fakeout when you need to?
languid lichen
i imagine "has a usable atk stat" is also a contributor
quiet galleon
I... Don't get why Lopunny needs to be a mega here. Is it just to Scrappy fake...
Scrappy, speed
snow wren
as a ghost type trick room user scrappy fake out is annoying
peak island
I just read "ghost" and "trick" at first and thought you were talking about Ghost Trick
fickle thicket
check pins out of curiosity
"oh hey a fakemon doc"
it's empy
arctic dagger
Lmao
sullen mesa
i saw that and really wanted to contribute to it
if we get one fakemon from each of us here in this thread we can make a full gen 
arctic dagger
Lemme throw the ones in from my other docs...
sullen mesa
yay!
i'm making a fakemon dex myself for my ttrpg so i'll probably make a separate one. probably ice dog
why does Pokemon not have Ice Dog yet (Suicune doesn't count)
arctic dagger
@pliant violet I remember you helped with a number of the Bostonian fakemon we were talking about, the BJJ one in particular but I don't remember what of the others you did, if you want to add your name to any of them I did in the pinned doc
manic kindle
oo just now rechecking stuff, Corviseer is a killer name Tohu
peak island
Noice~
obtuse ravine
today I forgot that grass types are immune to powder moves
quiet galleon
I got got by that by someone running simisage
quiet galleon
Oof
obtuse ravine
I got got by that by someone running simisage
now that’s a name i’ve not heard in a long time…
arctic dagger
oo just now rechecking stuff, _Corviseer_ is a killer name Tohu
Thanks!! I'm debating whether it splits off at Rookidee or Corvisquire
I think it might need to split off at Rookidee? Corvisquire going into Corviseer doesn't quite sound right.
But there's nothing else about Corvisquire that would be a problem really
Also thinking about whether it should be a special or physical attacker
My instinct is to leave it as physical though
Outside of me thinking "Hey psychic type is mostly special" there's nothing about hugin and munin that like, SHOULD be special over physical
arctic dagger
oo just now rechecking stuff, _Corviseer_ is a killer name Tohu
Also I remembered you helping me with the 3 I put your name on, but feel free to add/remove your name from any of them if you remember helping w/ them
I'm also pretty proud of Freymoth
Freyja is the goddess of moths
And it still sounds a lot like Frosmoth
It was amusing to me realizing that both the Bostonian and Nordic regions I ended up with a regional Wailord
Also I thought making Freymoth either Fur Coat OR Ice Scale would be really funny, although IDK if it'd create good gameplay
timber vale
What's the Pokémon with the lowest attack available in champions that gets storm throw
arctic dagger
....I think it might be emboar?
Yeah
Emboar has 123, Pinsir has 125
And I don't think anyone else is in?
arctic dagger
The lowest overall is Throh at 100
languid lichen
no grapploct?
timber vale
Storm throw into Anger Point would be funny but probably not too viable
As it'd do too much damage
arctic dagger
I don't think grapploct is in but it might be
languid lichen
pinsir would deal less damage because it lacks stab
timber vale
True
languid lichen
but it would also just be like. bad, probably
are there any frost breath users in?
timber vale
Frosslass
languid lichen
hard out
languid lichen
glalie could maybe do it, dunno if it has any other useful moves
beartic is slower and even squishier
timber vale
Spikes-
Wait, no, doubles
quiet galleon
Glalie has explosion
timber vale
I think glalie might have better utility? I'll theory craft later
timber vale
Wait why the fuck does it get frost breath of all things
timber vale
no stab bad spa good other moves
Also incoming mega that might be good
timber vale
Yeah..
pliant violet
Wait why the fuck does it get frost breath of all things
it gets so many things
languid lichen
would be neat if krookodile got fake out
timber vale
I need to play niche gimmicky bullshit that still works well
If my opponent isn't flabbergasted the strategy is not ideal
arctic dagger
It's kinda weird to me that fake out is normal type
pliant violet
my hot take is too many fast pokemon get fake out
pliant violet
It's kinda weird to me that fake out is normal type
it's just clapping your hands
timber vale
It's like going "haha you flinched" after winding up the most insane punch and stopping it an inch from your friend's face
pliant violet
nope
arctic dagger
It's a sumo technique
pliant violet
it's a specific thing from sumo
timber vale
Oh fr?
pliant violet
where you clap your hands at round start to throw the other guy off
arctic dagger
"The move's Japanese name, ねこだまし Nekodamashi (Slap Hands), refers to a sumo technique where a sumo wrestler, at the start of the bout, claps their hands in front of the opponent's face, causing the opponent to close their eyes. Its wide distribution among catlike Pokémon is likely a play on this name, as it literally translates to fool the cat."
From bulbapedia
timber vale
I mean that does make sense now that I think about it, how I envisioned it was always the way I just described
timber vale
where you clap your hands at round start to throw the other guy off
Ohhhh, so that's why it's only first turn on field
arctic dagger
Almost everything else that's a martial arts technique of some kind is fighting type tho'
arctic dagger
And given that it's supposed to be kinda underhanded
Yeah dark would work too
But normal feels odd
I think I'd prefer it was Fighting than Dark just because I don't REALLY want knock off and fake out to both be dark type
pliant violet
I think being normal is a good balancing factor
there are lots of good fighting and dark types
arctic dagger
But yeah, being normal is better overall for the game than either fighting or dark
languid lichen
it also means i can abuse the shit out of it in smogon oms
arctic dagger
OMS?
timber vale
If it was dark, psychic types would genuinely just off themselves
languid lichen
putting refrigerate on weavile and laughing until it gets banned
pliant violet
also being normal means ghost type leads have interesting interactions
quiet galleon
Fighting would do that too tbf
arctic dagger
fighting would do that too, but yeah would otherwise be much stronger than normal
languid lichen
fighting would make it counter the ability introduced entirely to counter it
arctic dagger
...Which is?
languid lichen
since like, half of the inner focus mons are steel or normal or some shit
arctic dagger
Oh ok, yeah sure.
pliant violet
my general issue with fake out is it's over distributed, and over distributed to fast pokemon specifically
timber vale
since like, half of the inner focus mons are steel or normal or some shit
Entei is fire type
arctic dagger
IDK why inner focus you think was introduced to counter it, given inner focus has existed from gen1
languid lichen
...lol.
pliant violet
it definitely has not existed since gen 1
languid lichen
abilities didn't exist until gen 3
pliant violet
gen 1 doesn't have a game
languid lichen
gen 1 consists of psychic types spamming amnesia and jorking it
timber vale
Fakeout is gen 3
arctic dagger
Still a ton of pokemon from early gens are psychic or flying type
Zubat line, abra line, farfetch, hypno, dragonite
timber vale
Fakeout is gen 3
As is inner focus
pliant violet
most things are poison type, as god intended
arctic dagger
The pre-gen4 pokemon weak to fighting moves are uh. Sneasel and Glalie?
languid lichen
umbreon, fairly certain
quiet galleon
They introduce cat type and make fake out cat type
arctic dagger
Kangaskan and Umbreon get it as hidden abilities, but those didn't exist until gen5
pliant violet
also Tohu I do not remember what I contributed to but if anyone ever wants pokemon brainstorming help please hit me up
languid lichen
is it its main?
arctic dagger
Yeah
Espeon and Umbreon both have Synch as their main ability
To mirror each other
arctic dagger
also Tohu I do not remember what I contributed to but if anyone ever wants pokem...
Hell yeah. Lemme know if you wanna talk about anything I've got in there atm.
I'd love stuff that isn't just me putting stuff in there too lmao
pliant violet
you've got a lot of regional forms compared to new designs, most regions with regionals only have a handful of them
pliant violet
lines or individual pokemon
arctic dagger
Lines
pliant violet
I'll shut up then, I thought it was more like 6-8
arctic dagger
Paldea only has 1
languid lichen
the only really tame one was hisui, yeah
arctic dagger
Hisui was still like around 10 I think?
languid lichen
oh and paldean wooper ofc
pliant violet
paldea has at least 2
languid lichen
hisui had a ton of new evos, but not a ton of full reskins
pliant violet
tauros and wooper
arctic dagger
Arcanine, Electrode, Typh, Qwilfish, Sneasler, Samurott, Lilligant, Zoroark, Braviary, Goodra, Avalugg, Decidueye
languid lichen
ursaluna, wyrdeer, basculegion, sneasler, and uhhh
manic kindle
i have been noodling on a fakemon "pair" for the norse idea
languid lichen
i think one more?
pliant violet
sneasler counts as a regional line because it evolves from hisuian sneasel
languid lichen
oh fair that's more than i remembered
manic kindle
a bug pokemon that looks like the (world serpent) pokemon to avoid predators
arctic dagger
A lot of the hisuian regionals then turn into local regional evolutions
pliant violet
same with basculegion
languid lichen
same with basculegion
i just count that differently from pure regional alters
arctic dagger
Yeah, Bascu/Sneasel/Qwilfish are regionals that then have a split evo
languid lichen
because it's new entirely
oh right overqwil!
knew i was forgetting at least one
pliant violet
they're not split evos
arctic dagger
Well, sometimes they are.
Wooper is
Kinda?
Clodsire is technically not Paldean Quagsire
XD
pliant violet
you cannot evolve paldean wooper into quagsire
arctic dagger
Yeah IDK, that feels like a technical distinction, but yeah.
manic kindle
a bug pokemon that looks like the (world serpent) pokemon to avoid predators
mostly cuz i love silly regional bug lines and i think 'bug that evolves to look like the regional 600bst guy' is funny
arctic dagger
Oh, Perrserker
arctic dagger
mostly cuz i love silly regional bug lines and i think 'bug that evolves to look...
That's REALLY funny, I like it.
pliant violet
a bug pokemon that looks like the (world serpent) pokemon to avoid predators
follow up evolution: it evolves to have a little world it encircles
languid lichen
mostly cuz i love silly regional bug lines and i think 'bug that evolves to look...
I'm a huge fan of this
manic kindle
i was inspired by the Corviseer idea
where Corviseer maybe evolved its psychic powers to look past the deception
languid lichen
oh, is that a rookidee alt?
arctic dagger
What about "bug that evolves to look like the baby form of the regional 600 guy" as a small modification? Then it can still be smol, but people won't want to mess with it because what if the parents are nearby
manic kindle
thats fun too
languid lichen
i assume that's the line
languid lichen
makes sense
arctic dagger
Most mimic moths and stuff mimic something ELSE in their larval stage
Like pretending to be poisonous
Do something like Bug/Dark pretending to be poisonous, Bug, Bug/Dark pretending to be the local pseudolegendary
I'm not super attached to Dark, I just think of mimicry outside of like, Ditto stuff, as probably being a Dark thing?
pliant violet
unfortunately my brain for norse stuff is full one piece atm
manic kindle
i hadnt put much thought into the bug secondary typing cuz i figured i'd play it off of the big serpent guy if/when i figured that one out
languid lichen
dragon/grass
pliant violet
alternately, I have an ability idea
arctic dagger
Jormungandr is specifically a sea dragon though
languid lichen
jormungandr + yggdrasil
pliant violet
kind of like mimikyu's but reduces damage less but changes type from dragon bug to dark bug
arctic dagger
So my thought there would probably be Water/Dragon and a different pokemon as Grass/Fairy as Yggdrasil?
languid lichen
or just do niddhoggr as a dragon/poison with earth eater
arctic dagger
Then a 3rd pokemon as Poison/Something to counter Yggdrasil
pliant violet
the disguise is exposed when it gets hit
languid lichen
and/or sap sipper, but that would be worse
arctic dagger
Nidhoggr as Poison/Dragon yeah
manic kindle
thats a good one reggie
arctic dagger
kind of like mimikyu's but reduces damage less but changes type from dragon bug ...
That's awesome, yeah.
pliant violet
ty
pliant violet
Also Tohu I don’t mean to be a dream crusher but we do already have a Yggdrasil inspired trio
arctic dagger
Aura trio, yeah
But they're the protectors of yggdrasil, not the tree itself and the nidhoggr
Different parts of the yggdrasil mythos
pliant violet
Is zygarde not meant to be nidhogg?
In my mind I associate it most with its snake form
arctic dagger
So there's supposed to be... 8 serpents I think at the base of the tree?
pliant violet
Have you put any thought into Norse or Boston regional starters?
arctic dagger
And given that Zygarde is explicitly called out as a protector rather than a betrayer that Nidhoggr is
I kinda figured it was just one of the other serpents
arctic dagger
Have you put any thought into Norse or Boston regional starters?
Not offhand, no.
Starters are something I'm not very good at, tbh.
pliant violet
ok good that's somewhere I can help
do you want to have an internal theme for the starters?
arctic dagger
Every theme I've thought of, I've immediately dropped into another set of fakemon so
XD
The sports team pokemon for Boston could get switched into being starters?
quiet galleon
Viking water type feels obvious
pliant violet
yeah I was thinking that for boston
arctic dagger
It's really obvious then that the Celtics grass line is one
Red Sox, Pats, and Bruins don't really lean me to water or fire particularly for any of them though
pliant violet
what's the hockey team
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Bruins
pliant violet
ok water ice line
arctic dagger
I have them as Fighting/Ice atm
Water/Ice would be functional
Their colors are yellow/black
pliant violet
as for fire Red sox is baseball right?
arctic dagger
Red sox are baseball, pats are football
pliant violet
pitcher throwing heat
arctic dagger
Red sox I felt like should probably get Fairy, as they're kinda known for pretty pretty mythical around here
Fairy/Fire is one of the missing types I think
pliant violet
fire fairy is unused yep
arctic dagger
And then Pats are... MOSTLY known for cheating scandals, in recent times.
XD
Also being really good but
pliant violet
could do the "fourth starter" thing
the pokemon associated with rival not a starter
do like, dark fighting
arctic dagger
I like these, my only not sure one is the Celtics then
On typing
I have grass/psychic atm but
That's just because it's a leprechaun
But like,t hat should maybe be Fairy
sullen mesa
oh are we doing full fakemon sets or just related to existing mons
sullen mesa
nice
arctic dagger
True, and there's goldhengo for steel being gold too
sullen mesa
we're getting SEAsia soon in Winds/Waves so i'm less inclined to assign regions from there lol
pliant violet
aussie aussie aussie
timber vale
maybe I should do a china region or smth
sullen mesa
pinoy pokemon represent
australia i'm surprised they haven't done yet especially with the variety of animals there
wild prairie
Have you put any thought into Norse or Boston regional starters?
Similarly, I've put a bit of thought into a tiny region based on New Haven, CT. We have a surprising amount of variety between the different neighborhoods around here that I think could work well for a gym structure
sullen mesa
purble
pliant violet
my aussie region I've noodled some ideas about, mostly about starters
snow wren
I’d like a northwest coast region with some interior stuff
sullen mesa
maybe I should do a china region or smth
sudowoodo variant with walking bamboo
pliant violet
obviously I have some bias but I think aus would be a great inspiration for a region
manic kindle
its a pretty varied land
pliant violet
Scrubbaby (Grass) -> Kangatherer (Grass/Steel) -> Diggeroo (Grass/Steel)
Signature Ability: Earthmover (steel worker but for ground type)
Signature Move: Jumping Jacks (multi hit steel type move with fixed amount of hits, moderate power, and low chance to lower def)
Chickind (Fire) -> Smoldromai (Fire/Electric) -> Emmolate (Fire/Electric)
Signature Ability: Updraft ( steelworker but for flying type)
Signature Move: Dry Lightning (Good power electric type move with a high chance to burn)
Pudgle (Water) -> Platypeer (Water/Ghost) -> Ornithorror (Water/Ghost)
Signature Ability: Virulent (Steelworker but poison)
Signature Move: Unnatural Perception (moderate power ghost type sure hit move that sets an effect that means all the users moves will hit for some amount of turns barring effects like protect)
arctic dagger
Similarly, I've put a bit of thought into a tiny region based on New Haven, CT. ...
You're also welcome to join in on the Boston region if you want to combine.
CT and MA are obz right next to each other
manic kindle
Scrubbaby is a killer name
pliant violet
my starter notes for those that haven't seen them, Diggeroo is tanky, Emmolate is fast, Ornithorror is tricky, they're all representing environmental destruction in mining bushfires and floods
ty
arctic dagger
Do you mind adding them to the doc?
I can do it if you don't want to
(or you can ask they don't get added)
pliant violet
I also know I want two pseudo legend lines, one fairy poison spider line and the other normal fighting Tassie devil that becomes tassie tiger then becomes thycaleo
you can add them, I'm just on phone rn and sheets does not like phones
arctic dagger
Very true.
pliant violet
Scrubbaby (Grass) -> Kangatherer (Grass/Steel) -> Diggeroo (Grass/Steel)
Signatu...
I also liked the idea of giving them actual good hidden abilities that were tied together
and they were all associated nicely with a third type
sullen mesa
really well designed!
pliant violet
thanks, I'm genuinely really happy with them, and I think the ideas in them are unique for pokemon but still feel like starter ideas
arctic dagger
Reggie I'm leaving if people can use them or not blank
pliant violet
oh I'm happy if folks use them, so long as they reach out
arctic dagger
Yeah I think that's assumed for everything is that people should talk to the creator first
peak island
today I forgot that grass types are immune to powder moves
I didn't know that, although tbh, I don't use Powder moves
pliant violet
spore moves too
pliant violet
yee but it helps to remember what is what
spore and powder moves
I should theory out some more fakemon, I'm good at it
I think I'll start by expanding on the tassie devil pseudo line
ok so core things about all three creatures that I'm basing the line on are their incredible bite forces
I went normal fighting because they are generally just mammals, and fighting for their territoriality
I'm thinking about whether to give them a signature ability or just strong jaw, if I do give them strong jaw I think a signature fighting or normal type bite move seems appropriate
plus I think there should be more quadraped fighting types
languid lichen
I'm thinking about whether to give them a signature ability or just strong jaw, ...
i wouldn't tbh, dracovish is the only strong jaw user with a good stab move
and dracovish is god's greatest mistake
otherwise you've got boltund and hisuisan avalugg with their shitto fangs
pliant violet
dracovish has a nonsense good stab move
languid lichen
and then a bunch of non-stab on ttrum and drednaw
pliant violet
that combos with it's ability and weather
pliant violet
I more mean to say it's the sort of thing that's manageable
pliant violet
yeah nothing that good
languid lichen
honestly i'd just like, give it jaw lock
pliant violet
I was thinking of some sort of defense drop effect, pound for pound tassie devils have the strongest bite force in the animal kingdom
pliant violet
yeah, just shifted to normal or fighting, maybe alter bp a little
pliant violet
none of this 95 acc crap
sudden spade
Strong Jaw gives them some nice coverage with the classic dark nomming
pliant violet
I don't wanna make them dark, I think tassie devils are much maligned creatures
sudden spade
Oh no, I meant 'strong jaw making up for it not being STAB'
Gives them a good dark coverage move even if they are not dark themselves
pliant violet
yee
and the elemental fangs
alternately, giving them something like sparkling aria but for bite moves and turning them normal or fighting would be cute
sudden spade
A fighting bite would be very fun for 'Tazzie Devils have enough bite for to bite through steel traps'
120 power (Post strong jaw) Hyper Fang with Stab I think fills 'normal bite' just fine 😛
Strong Jaw Crunch also feels very good for 'Hey, you know what is good at walling a Fighting/Normal? Ghos-OH GOD ITS EATING MY FACE' even without STAB.
peak island
pliant violet
Pouchew -> Marsupamunch -> Thylacrunch
pliant violet
I like going to scientific names to get pokemon name ideas
sullen mesa
i super agree
fickle thicket
Friend of mine likes making them up and I've tagged along a few times
We got stuck on a concept and name for an evolution of a tropical pika-clone, fire/electric Hanapi that fires sparks from its tail like fireworks
pliant violet
doesn't sound very stuck to me
you even did the thing where pikaclones keep japanese style names, well done
pliant violet
ahhh see I'm both stupid and illiterate
fickle thicket
I forgive you <3
pliant violet
you know those little tubes they launch fireworks out of? a couple of those off the back leading to the tail could be cool design wise
and do some play on explosive onamatopeia in japanese
fickle thicket
Yeah we envisioned one of those tubes as tipping Hanapi's tail
pliant violet
I figured as much
fickle thicket
So thematically it'd make sense to have more of them; we got that far at least
pliant violet
oh duh, turn the feet/legs into them
the ones that evolve are the fastest and the highest jumpers, committed to going further
fickle thicket
I like the idea of them lining the back
Like some sort of hedgehog/porcupine that launches fireworks everywhere
pliant violet
pikaclones are hard, for me at least, the ideas all feel a bit explored also I don't speak japanese
oh the pikaclone for the aussie region should be an echidna huh, quills in the shape of lightning bolts
fickle thicket
I feel like the opposite, like there's a million ideas that game freak refuses to explore because pikaclones MUST be extremely marketable
fickle thicket
Man, it took them until gen 5 to step away from the electric monotype
pliant violet
I feel like the most iconic pokemon for the aussie region should be the most iconically australian, hence the starters and the two pseudo legends being things widely associated with aus, same with echidnas for the pikaclone
probably gonna make the villain's ace a dingo
fickle thicket
I never quite know how to feel about fan regional sexes being full of beasts that fit the region's inspiration
One the one hand, game freak itself barely does that at all
On the other, whomst caresmst
Actually I think I do know how I feel
Discussion closed I am at peace
pliant violet
I think all of my region won't be purely aussie animals, since aus is inherently a bit of a melting pot
but there will be a lot because they're cool and unexplored
fickle thicket
Definitely
sudden spade
https://tenor.com/view/echidna-beach-cute-animals-gif-13290983
Electric/Steel Type with Iron Barbs + Static as abilities would be Very Fun. It would instantly evaporate the moment anyone even says the words 'Earthquake' but it would be fun otherwise.
sudden spade
Oh, I didn't know it got Iron Barbs.
fickle thicket
Oh lol it even has iron barbs
pliant violet
yep, makes the totem fight a pain
sudden spade
I thought it was unique to the Ferrothorn line.
pliant violet
I have basically every pokemon memorised
sudden spade
I guess scrap that idea then. XD
fickle thicket
Supremely stupid that it doesn't learn rollout btw
fickle thicket
I have basically every pokemon memorised
What's Swadloon's hidden ability
5
4
3
2
1
❌
Reggie is going to hyperjail
pliant violet
is it leaf guard?
fickle thicket
No
fickle thicket
It's Overcoat
sudden spade
My thought had been basicly an echinda with little metal spikes that have electricity arcing between spikes (Not all of them at once, it's a shifting crackle across the animation)
pliant violet
hyperjail
fickle thicket
Leaf Guard is one of its base abilities
pliant violet
oh that's also clever, I was thinking having the quills be lightning bolt shaped but that's cleverer and less obtrusive
sudden spade
Concidering their nature as invasive species, I feel like any toad or rabbit pokemon should be a real bastard.
Like not necessarily powerful but just mean assholes.
fickle thicket
I've always wondered if there would be any interesting design space for an ability that straight up does nothing/no ability
sudden spade
I think the closest is Cofagrigas, which has no ability save the ability to give other people that same no ability.
And it could be done but making it interesting would be tricky
fickle thicket
And it *could* be done but making it *interesting* would be tricky
Yeah that's what I mean by design space
It's easy to just make Glonk with No Ability
sudden spade
I think the tricky thing with 'making it interesting' as you've basicly got slacking except you can't make the stats as extreme as you don't have a lot of downside, just a hair.
fickle thicket
You could maybe play around with giving it lots of access to moves that mess with abilities
But then how do you make sure you don't end up at "Runegrigus that needs to work harder for it"
pliant violet
I think the interesting angle to go there, conceptually, would be some sort of artificial pokemon
pliant violet
Concidering their nature as invasive species, I feel like any toad or rabbit pok...
Iki you can shit on cane toads all you want after wednesday
until then as someone living in brisbane cane toads are sacred to you
I think I'd do cane toads as some sort of regional croagunk
I'm trying to think what else I should probably do
an ibis pokemon, certainly but I refuse to give that any importance
magpie for the regional bird?
fickle thicket
until then as someone living in brisbane cane toads are sacred to you
Please tell me about the Brisbane cane toad ritual
fickle thicket
an ibis pokemon, certainly but I refuse to give that any importance
Normal/poison type
pliant violet
it's called state of origin and it's the 3 most important football games of the year
sudden spade
magpie for the regional bird?
'We gave the regional bird Pickpocket. Welcome to Australia!'
pliant violet
and queensland's team is the maroons aka the cane toads
fickle thicket
Ability that has a chance to poison every time a bite attack is used on it
fickle thicket
and queensland's team is the maroons aka the cane toads
Aha
pliant violet
Normal/poison type
either that or flying poison, a type that is unique to a singular line
fickle thicket
Flying/poison... Zubat line?
pliant violet
yep
fickle thicket
I win
fickle thicket
Ability that has a chance to poison every time a bite attack is used on it
To reflect how fucking gross they are
pliant violet
I'm trying to think of general trends most regions have that I should try to hit
mosquito for the regional bug?
sudden spade
Flying/Bug is a basic but functional typing for 'Region Bug', yeah
pliant violet
I think you could make arguments for poison or dark alongside bug tbh
fickle thicket
Don't forget ye early rodent*
sudden spade
Lokik is iirc the only Dark/Bug so it would be a nice addition.
Possum early rodent would be nice. But like...Aussie Possum, not American Possum
pliant violet
lokix
oh fair shout about the possum
I'm thinking about a regional dark type komala, it's angry because it cannot sleep, drop bear type shit
sudden spade
'We woke up the Komala. OH NO'
azure crane
I'm also angry because I can't sleep.
manic kindle
I'm thinking about a regional dark type komala, it's angry because it cannot sle...
it should have Flying Press style move for the drop bear aspect
pliant violet
cute, I like it
fickle thicket
I'm thinking about a regional dark type komala, it's angry because it cannot sle...
Insomnia?
pliant violet
probably but that ability is so not very good
fickle thicket
Flavour win
Anyway uhhhh Phoenix ability that, when the Pokemon would faint, restores 50% HP and removes itself
Yes this opens the door for infinite entrainment shenanigans
You could make it un-entrainable but where's the fun in that
quiet galleon
probably do two forms like mimikyu
snow wren
Going to be wild when dracovish comes to champions
Gens 8-9 had a lot of obscenely powerful mons like sneasler, g darmanitan, ursaluna, basculegion, dracovish, goldengo, dracovish, flutter mane, duraludon
Early gens 1-3 Pokémon struggle to compete with few managing relevance when those monsters are up
You know what would be neat? If we got a season where reputed vgc members, such as Wolfe, got to pick 150 Pokémon to be allowed in a curated meta game
fickle thicket
probably do two forms like mimikyu
cool as that is (opens the door for the second form to have wildly different stats and such), that would shut down the infinite entrainment fun
get some sorta uhhhh normal/flying, sluggish, bulky, and then after the ability pops flip it to a fire/flying special glass cannon or something like that
snow cobalt
manic kindle
oh this ones real good
snow cobalt
manic kindle
im so grateful for cybertron's continued coverage
wild prairie
Started playing the new Champions season and the performance bonus is a cool mechanic to avoid the low rank grind
sullen mesa
https://bsky.app/profile/pikat.io/post/3mmjgx2zzxk2g
pikat sweep
azure crane
snow wren
reshiram seems little play as a restricted huh
arctic dagger
IIRC it's just the worst of the 3
Kyurem is definitely the best
And I think I remember Zekrom being better than Reshiram, but I couldn't tell you for sure?
quiet galleon
Reshiram was better in vgc
arctic dagger
Ah yeah, I really only remember the singles
quiet galleon
I dont remember whyy i think wolfey might have touched on it in the worst dragon types video
Better performance than the kyurems too I think
manic kindle
fire typing hurts in singles for sure
for doubles having big ass Heat Waves is nice
obtuse ravine
think my lopunny team is hitting a wall, might try the other with sylveon that I was eyeing
round perch
By 鳥乃カヲリ＠illustrator (@torinokawori) on Twitter.com.
fickle thicket
?
manic kindle
Pokopia stuff.
fickle thicket
and here I saw so much fanart when it released I thought I'd seen all of it
sullen mesa
pokopia had specific unique pokemon npcs ye
wild thorn
obtuse ravine
made it to master again 🐰
covered in this and a previous vid
it’s nice that he gives 4 common team picks against various teams 
that helped a bunch
easily digestible and actionable advice my beloved
arctic dagger
We just got confirmation alolan seaglass is under work
Which I'm really excited about
snow wren
Seaglass?
snow wren
Sandslash?
vague tide
emerald seaglass is a crystal romhack that is "emerald in crystal"
therefore, alolan seaglass, presumably, along the same lines
snow wren
Thinking of trying out a h zoroark team, whinsivott and kingsgambit both feel like they might appreciate someone who ohkos sneasler and both punish the careful play zoro encourages
manic kindle
emerald seaglass is a crystal romhack that is "emerald in crystal"
therefore, al...
Its really pretty
arctic dagger
Yeah it's mostly known for being very very pretty
manic kindle
Pokemon Lazarus is probs my fave romhack in recent times for how it looks and plays
it has some neat monotype run stuff; i did a bug-only run and had a fun time
crude moon
snow wren
Glimmora works with whim so that’s a good fourth pick, what megas would provide good brute force? Mega kang appreciates the guess the zoroark game but that makes the team too vulnerable if they aren’t taken
snow wren
Joltik nooooo
Those are for the defibrillators in the children’s hospital joltik
Noooo
timber vale
joltik is a child too
wild prairie
Pokemon Lazarus is probs my fave romhack in recent times for how it looks and pl...
Same, I had a good time with it. The Elite Four + Champion felt a bit stapled on though
snow wren
H zoroark feels like it has a decent matchup against meta threats like sneasler and garchomp, wonder why it doesn’t see more use
snow wren
How often does garchomp run choice scarf?
Huh didn’t realize that kingsgambit had no usable steel moves
Oh tgats cuz iron head was already chosen oops
arctic dagger
How often does garchomp run choice scarf?
Somewhat regularly but not exclusively
snow wren
how does this look at a glance?
I considered mega frosslass but I liked how mega delphox doesn't threaten garchomp enough for them to realize they're at risk or getting blown up before they act
heat wave does enough damage when combined with icy wind to ko garchomp
sneasler is really the only fighting type worth using huh
sullen mesa
some sort of ||rock boy with levitate||
snow wren
||thick fat mamoswine?||
sullen mesa
very nice lol
languid lichen
okay at first i thought this was ||hisuian avalugg, but that doesn't get the electric part||
gotta think again
is this counting abilities?
i assume so
crude moon
yes
crude moon
yes
languid lichen
sick
languid lichen
rip
crude moon
yeah it was from this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S1M8FDqvpg
that was the one that struck me as the most of an actual interesting trivia question
some of them are fucking insane
manic kindle
i want to say 6~8
snow wren
Choice scarf gallade could actually do some work huh
Outspeeds basc and hits it with a grass move and has psychic for sneasler and triple axle for garchomp
near flower
i want to say 6~8
||4 according to bulbapedia||
||wait didnt read far enough. 4 dance and 2 sit still, so you were right. 6||
arctic dagger
Today is the day I learned that Light Metal on Metagross does literally nothing positive because it is still in the highest weight tier even if you halve its weight
pliant violet
bwuh
arctic dagger
Its only effect is to make it deal less damage with Heavy Slam
Oh, I've decided what I want Mega Pyroar to have
Beast Boost
snow wren
No
arctic dagger
It has been pointed out to me that technically Light Metal COULD have a use if you ALSO have metagross hold a float stone to halve its weight again.
snow wren
A season in champions where the theme is legal beasts/paradox woukd be fun
arctic dagger
So if you use both your ability and your item you can take slightly less damage from low kick
timber vale
A season in champions where the theme is legal beasts/paradox woukd be fun
Across time and dimensions type shit
azure crane
peak island
Is there anyone here with experience with 3DS modding that can help me get my Gen 4 ROMs compatible with PKSM?
snow wren
Man special fighting type move coverage is awful huh
Most just have focus miss
It’s the volt tackle problem where aura sphere jas to stay on lucario
quiet galleon
Aura sphere has never been lucario's signature actually
When introduced the other non legendary who had it was...togekiss
It is on the rare side of moves though
Notable users in champions are archaludon and m-blastoise
Kommo-o probably the main actual fighting type lol
umbral hound
It was also repeated depicted with Bone Rush.
snow wren
Huh
Shame zoroark and reuniculus dont get it
azure crane
So there's only 4 special fighting moves: Aura Sphere, Focus Blast, Secret Sword, and Vacuum Wave. Final Gambit is technically special, but deals fixed damage.
jovial rampart
Secret Sword is also exclusive to Keldeo currently iirc so it's only really three.
arctic dagger
Technically there's also Judgement, Multi-attack, Hidden Power, and Tera Blast I think?
Although obviously there's no overlap with Hidden Power and Tera Blast generally
ANd Jugement and Multi-attack are again legendary signature moves
crude moon
like
fighting is fighting
fighting and rock are extremely physical focused, just from definition
like how Psychic is for special
azure crane
Yeah, in Gen 9, there's only 3 Physical Psychic moves that aren't signature moves.
snow wren
Psychic headbut?
sullen mesa
ohh zen headbutt yeah
languid lichen
psychic fangs, psycho cut, psyshock(???)
psyshock is special
it targets physical defense
sullen mesa
yeah that's why i was unsure
snow wren
I wonder if we'll ever see more ultra beast or paradox pokemon
arctic dagger
I hope not.
So many pokemon with one ability kinda suck IMO
Esp when it's just "more stats"
snow wren
fair
I'd be lying if a mad max esq post apocalypse themed suite of them with sandstorm wouldn't be cool though
fickle thicket
So many pokemon with one ability kinda suck IMO
I share the sentiment but also the UBs are my favourite set of designs bar none
timber vale
Xurkitree and Blacephelon are peak design
fickle thicket
I still think there could've been some possible design space in giving the UBs some stupid one-off types
like make Nihilego mind type or something
languid lichen
that adds so much coding and possible mental load for so little reward
would be fun in a romhack where you never have to worry about futureporting, but
adding like six new types for goobers that you now need forever and that your audience will want more of asounds annoying
near flower
especially if your audience is pokemon fans
fickle thicket
adding like six new types for goobers that you now need forever and that your au...
well I mean they never added the UBs to any fuckin future games anyway
and lied about why, I haven't forgotten
might as well do something fun now that they've absolved themselves from having to think about future generations
besides I can't imagine adding more types would actually be much coding
languid lichen
mm, fair enough
fickle thicket
the difficulty in adding new types is purely on the game design and balancing side of things, but in this theoretical scenario that wouldn't be an issue since they're meant to not fit in with the 18 we've got
create an extra entry in the type data, give it to 1 creature and 0 moves, let the player figure out what the hell a bug/blood mon is weak to, bada bing bada boom
honestly the more I think about this the more I like it