I agree enough personally
#POKÉMON CENTER
obsidian stump
its lacking nuance, but the two far ends are definitely right, and its not the easiest to categorize the others
obsidian stump
yeah
obtuse ravine
true...
might try using it sometime
at this point, I'm going to start building teams for fun
timber vale
Is the Sylveon Round strategy genuinely useful at all or
obtuse ravine
although box space may be an issue
timber vale
Is the Sylveon Round strategy genuinely useful at all or
Cuz I've seen it and it's super funny
But idk if it's worth
obtuse ravine
i do wish the VP spent included training and recruitment or that there was a total obtained counter too, I like that kinda tracking for currency in games
umbral hound
I don't think Sylveon is good. Syveon did have the funny niche of running Tera Blast and having it be decent even when not terastalyzed, though.
arctic dagger
Sylveon just saw top placement in the largest champions tournament so far
It's... Not using Round.
I think hyper voice and hyper beam?
umbral hound
The fact it's running Hyper Beam is very silly to me but I guess you do what you gotta for wallbreaking?
arctic dagger
It's a quite strong fairy special attacker in the format if you don't want to use your mega slot on a floeyye
Floette*
Although primarina is still overall more common I think, Sylveon definitely hits really really hard
I think hyper beam is just because the format is so fast
And sylv isn't very tough
The idea is to use it when it's about to die anyway I think
pliant violet
I think hyper voice and hyper beam?
And quick attack
umbral hound
I guess. Why not. Are choice items in?
pliant violet
No
arctic dagger
Only one
Scarf
The one I saw was using the held item that boosts fairy type moves I think?
pliant violet
Fairy feather yeah
arctic dagger
It's an interesting mix of factors of it being a kinda low power format and fairy being in a pretty interesting position in the meta as a type I think
There's not a lot of powerful poison types
And the strongest steel type is also dragon
pliant violet
It’s a weird format in that it’s a high power low power format
pliant violet
Also there’s exactly one good poison type around
It’s frail though
But it’s very good
pliant violet
Sneasler, maybe venusaur, I refuse to count glimm
pliant violet
Sneasler counts but is more good because of its fighting typing
arctic dagger
points at dire claw
pliant violet
That’s a nice plus sure
arctic dagger
But yeah the close combat is definitely more important
Dire claw is still a hell of a move though
Even nerfed
It's very relevant to its strength even if it's not like, the most important thing
pliant violet
It got nerfed and status was nerfed and it’s still silly
manic kindle
Yeah, sylveon hyper voice just hits like a truck and you gain so much momentum if you just team preview correctly
pliant violet
also having access to stab priority on top of that
usually I see it on tail wind teams but that's not even necessary
pliant violet
snow wren
doing a draft feels like it could be a really interesting way of doing a champions series with a group
soft isleBOT
The what strategy?
Madam Poggers (or Juniper) ↩️
manic kindle
so Round is quirky in that after the first user uses Round, the next use of Round is immediately after, cutting in line
so you get a fast Round user and then a Pixelate Round from Sylveon
i've seen it around; i dont think its necessarily better than just hitting Hyper Voice
but it is very funny and i think a knowledge/skill check for best of 1s
glossy umbra
https://www.reddit.com/r/MoeMorphism/s/hG3JvE0ofE
Wait, what did they do with her belt?
Why doesn't she have a flaming belt :(
I suppose having the symbol on the apron, completing the transformation of the belt into something more suitable for the traditional maid look, is inspired.
But belt...
snow cobalt
snow wren
https://bsky.app/profile/m-kaeru.bsky.social/post/3ml6uavmi2c2r
I like torterra even if they’re very underwhelming for performance
earnest nacelle
Apparently both Megazard forms are UU now.
quiet galleon
Cause it cant hold heat rock? Also stealth rocks ig
quiet galleon
Tbf from what I can tell they just started doing uu and its more a case of charizards not being initially banned
earnest nacelle
Okay.
quiet galleon
With a pokemon tier in smogon being the lowest tier its legal in even if its plenty viable in higher power formats
timber vale
for example, ribombee
RU, has a niche in Ubers and AG
as well as some OU usage
something I think it kind of funny is that iirc Ribombee has more viability in ubers than OU
languid lichen
yeah, bee just has a way worse time in ou's meta
timber vale
I'm like 99% sure it's because so much of ubers is dragon type legendaries
snow cobalt
much like saber-toothed cats evolved specifically for hunting large herbivores, and die quickly if that niche is disrupted, ribombee evolved to hunt dragons
timber vale
unless it's Ultra Necrozma
manic kindle
https://bsky.app/profile/winonaparadise.bsky.social/post/3ml6wuyhsmk2y
pokopia: ||im doing this for him now and he loves it||
manic kindle
Oh neat are weather wars back...
Weather is pretty meta defining in champions rn, at least in the doubles format
I can't get into 3v3 singles
pliant violet
Smh weather is for chumps
earnest nacelle
I hate weather 😭
pliant violet
The tyranitar approach
manic kindle
i live in the rain <3
i think the way weather has shaken out in champions is neat, where its not everywhere but you do need to teambuild for it
pliant violet
My team building for it is kill
arctic dagger
All Reggie Needs Is Kill
pliant violet
HO mindset
snow wren
looked at some stuff about pokken tournament out of curiosity, I'd liked the music but never realized that you would swap from an arena fighter to a more typical 2d fighter
lunar hinge
I don't know why but I always forget that the Dwebble line is only two stages. It feels like it should have another one but it doesn't. But it makes sense as it's supposed to be a parallel to Paras
arctic dagger
Parasect also deserves a 3rd stage so
That typing is SO bad
I really want a ghost/bug 3rd stage
And it's only 405 BST, it could easily get a 3rd stage
And we need a ghost/bug that isn't shedinja so badly
lunar hinge
Parasect gets a Shedinja-style split evo where you get a ghost/grass and a ghost/bug.
arctic dagger
Ok so the visual for the ghost/bug is pretty clear, it's the empty shell with like a hollowed out mushroom too
What's the ghost/grass?
I feel like instead I'd do something like a ghost/bug and a grass/poison or something, where the mushroom completely takes over and there's no bug left, but it's still alive?
So you have a hollow shell ghost/bug, and the mushroom with tentacles but no bug shell because it walked off as a ghost
lunar hinge
The fungus breaks away into its own Pokémon, leaving behind the possessed shell, yeah
arctic dagger
I guess my question then is why is that a ghost for the fungus?
I'd go with dark or poison offhand
lunar hinge
Fair
arctic dagger
I could see grass/psychic too
Go into the mind control cordyceps stuff
That'd be really sick
Yeah, ghost/bug and grass/psychic
Make it like a UFO mushroom with tentacles
That does mind control
Thinking kinda Nihilego but grass
And obz mushroom instead of jelly
Oh, and they have a hidden ability to remerge and do like a Dondozo thing
manic kindle
there was an artist i saw who did a paras-parasect regional variant where instead of a parasitic mushroom it was symbiotic and filled with a gas that let the paras float
i'll see if i can find it later but it was neat, i think doing funny little regional variants is a good way for pokemon to revisit original designs
arctic dagger
That's cool
Flying/Bug or something
Very bad typing mostly but
Flying/Grass more interesting
manic kindle
okok found em, artist @ mat4265 on the tweeter
Regional Paras
[Bug]
The white mold growths on their back protect them from parasitic organisms by feeding of them. The gases inside their spore bulbs allow them to be slightly floaty
and
Regional Parasect
[Bug/Flying]
They live in perfect symbiotism with the mold growth on their backs. The mold is full of a lightweight gas allowing them to float calmly among the clouds, the spores however cause dizzyness and a light headed feeling on anyone else.
arctic dagger
Cute
manic kindle
i think someone touched on it earlier but if i was to add a 3rd step to the parasect line i'd do the primeape thing and get a fun ghost bug step going on
full circle 'parasect regained control by posessing his own body' style stuff
arctic dagger
Ok so, I'm INSANELY into subnautica lately, so don't mind me but:
(If not mentioned, it's probably just water type. It's an underwater biome, what do you want.)
Special note that many get a "Modified" form that is their primary form along with Poison replacing their secondary if they're Kharaa virus infected. This also works with the Warpers being one of the only Steel types, immune to the Poison virus.
Small/Mid Size Carnivores -
Ampeels: Electric/Water
Bonesharks: Rock/Water
Crabsnakes: Bug/Fairy
Crabsquid: Bug/Electric
Crashfish: Fire/Water
Mesmer: Psychic/Dark
Sand Shark: Ground/Dark
Stalker: Water
Warper: Steel/Psychic
Herbivores:
Bladderfish: Water/Flying
Most Rays: Water/Poison
Gasopods: Fairy/Poison
Ghostrays: Ghost/Poison
Peepers: Normal/Water
Skyray: Flying
Parasites/Other:
Crawlers: Bug/Ground
Blood Crawler: Dark/Bug
Floaters: Grass/Flying
Bleeders: Water/Dark
Alien Constructs: Steel
Leviathans:
Ghost Leviathan 1st stage: Dragon/Fighting
Ghost Leviathan 2nd stage: Dragon/Ghost
Reaper : Dragon/Water
Reefback : Dragon/Grass
Sea Dragons: Dragon/Fire
Sea Emperor: Dragon/Psychic
Sea Treader: Dragon/Bug
Below Zero -
Brinewing: Ice/Water
Brute Shark: Fighting/Water
Cryptosuchus: Water/Dark
Pengwings: Water/Ice
Rock Puncher: Rock/Fighting
Snow Stalker: Ice
Spikey Traps: Grass/Dark
Squidsharks: Water
Eye Jelly: Water/Fairy
Lily Paddler: Psychic/Poison
Sea Monkey: Water/Fairy
Chelicerate: Water/Dragon
Glow Whale: Water
Ice Worm: Ice/Dark
Ventgardens: Grass/Fire
Shadow Leviathan: Dragon/Poison
azure crane
snow cobalt
earnest nacelle
I thought the person talking was May at first
worldly plume
waste of perfectly good seeds smh
obtuse ravine
got my own scovillain!
feeling good about small improvements to positioning and ability to stall out trick room, haven't been doing too bad against the past couple TR opponents
jovial rampart
I still need to fill out my TR team. Missing a few mons.
manic kindle
Good time to do so!
pliant violet
feeling good about small improvements to positioning and ability to stall out tr...
I put the motivation into ya
snow wren
if you could do some changes to pokemon like new moves/hidden abilities etc for balance what would you do?
arctic dagger
IDK that I'd do anything.
...Maybe buff Typhlosion/HisTyph somehow?
But like it's not necessary.
OH. Let meloetta start in her other form.
snow wren
I'd swap torterra's hidden to solid rock, give dusknoir the levitate they had as their first stage, and give serpeior one other coverage special move, but only one whether that be the rock gleam or like a fairy move
arctic dagger
Maybe give Magcargo Solid Rock.
pliant violet
if you could do some changes to pokemon like new moves/hidden abilities etc for ...
make decidueye (either) either slower and bulkier or faster and hit a bit harder, taking the stats from the secondary attacking stat
arctic dagger
It won't help any
Yeah that'd be neat.
I like decid in concept
Maybe give Galarian Corsola a secondary rock type.
snow wren
I'd like to see ghost have a practical 80 damage 100% accuracy physical move too
pliant violet
I think I'd prefer original to go faster and hisuian to go bulkier
snow wren
a lot of mons like dusknoir just don't have acces to shadowclas
arctic dagger
In general though, as far as pokemon balance stuff goes, I'd rather go nerfs than buffs, even though I know that's not viable.
Give Lugia a regional form that includes Water typing
Probably
pliant violet
make bug super effective on fairy and resist fairy
arctic dagger
Yeah
For sure
System changes I can think of a lot of stuff
It's just within the "Giving pokemon moves/abilities" caveat it's hard to think of a lot of stuff for me
pliant violet
spread out some signature moves, no I cannot think of any rn
oh make intim only on first enter, since physical attackers are so disadvantaged compared to special
arctic dagger
IDK, most people I think are already pretty cool and interesting, or their stat totals/typing are so bad that just giving them a move or ability probably wouldn't help unless it was truly insane.
Like what do you even do with all of the 350-400 BST bug/flying types
Lmao
pliant violet
I think we're due for a new weather or terrain
arctic dagger
Oh, maybe give Flygon a signature move that counts as the advantages of both bug and dragon at once
I feel like Flygon deserves some love.
timber vale
Biblical Plague of Locusts weather that multiplies the stats of all bug types by 1.5x and does sandstorm chip to all types but bug ong
pliant violet
Biblical Plague of Locusts weather that multiplies the stats of all bug types by...
scizor approved
timber vale
Actually make it a terrain so we can stack it with sun on Volcarona specifically
arctic dagger
It's not that there aren't already strong bug types, it's that there's SO MANY useless bug types IMO
jovial rampart
Give every Pokemon with Rivalry, Competitive instead. (I have no basis for this except I think it would be funny)
timber vale
It's not that there aren't already strong bug types, it's that there's SO MANY u...
Yeah, pretty much
We just have a lot of unfortunate stinkers who were designed that way
pliant violet
I'd argue at least some of the issue is the typing itself is bad
oh I know a buff I'd give
arctic dagger
But like, scizor, forretress, mega pinsir, shuckle, heracross+mega, ninjask, Scolipede, volcarona... Lots of bug types have had their time in the sun.
pliant violet
give golisopod water bubble
arctic dagger
I'd argue at least some of the issue is the typing itself is bad
Oh, I agree. I think the strong vs fairy is a good suggestion.
pliant violet
I can be trusted
timber vale
Actually make it a terrain so we can stack it with sun on Volcarona specifically
New move called Volcarona Aurafarming that sets sun, bug terrain, and does quiver dance in 1 move. This will be great for the meta.
pliant violet
not efficient enough, vulnerable to Fake out and getting doubled
timber vale
I am not taking questions at this time.
pliant violet
gotta give it +4 priority
timber vale
gotta give it +4 priority
arctic dagger
Oh, I'd also make ice resist water and... grass, maybe?
timber vale
give golisopod water bubble
I honestly don't even know if it could make golisopod that broken
Like, surely not, right?
pliant violet
absolutely would
timber vale
It's not stacking on top of STAB
arctic dagger
...Why not?
languid lichen
it's still one of the best abilities in the game
manic kindle
Maybe give Magcargo Solid Rock.
Theres a thing pokemon legacy does that i love: magcargo's magma armor gives him x8 resist to water, and it makes him so much easier to use
timber vale
...Why not?
Steel/Bug
languid lichen
...Why not?
mega swaps water with steel
pliant violet
golisopod would be incredible if it had no ability compared to emergency exit
languid lichen
but it's still broken
arctic dagger
He didn't say mega golisopod
pliant violet
did I say mega?
arctic dagger
He said golisopod
languid lichen
oh, in that case even more lol
timber vale
Oh huh you didn't
manic kindle
Having 3 STAB is nice
pliant violet
even on the mega it's still incredible
timber vale
Okay now that I think about it it's just occurred to me that making a physical attacker immune to burn and making a fairly bulky Pokémon lose its 4x weakness to just be 2x is probably uh
arctic dagger
'yall araquanid sees somewhat regular competitive play, and golisopod with water bubble would blow it out of the water.
pliant violet
down grading the one weakness bug steel types get to only 2 times, on a very ulky mon
timber vale
Okay now that I think about it it's just occurred to me that making a physical a...
I rescind my statement
My braincells started activating
pliant violet
araquanid is a great trick room mon
timber vale
'yall *araquanid* sees somewhat regular competitive play, and golisopod with wat...
Doesn't araquanid also have like
Base 72 attack
arctic dagger
Like araquanid is 100 BST less
pliant violet
if mega golisopod gets water bubble I'm confident calling it hard meta
timber vale
if mega golisopod gets water bubble I'm confident calling it hard meta
Praying for your sake
pliant violet
three functional stab
pliant violet
if he just gets tough claws I think he's meta contention
arctic dagger
Doesn't araquanid also have like
Base 72 attack
Yeah, and it's still effective, imagine it on a pokemon with 125 attack
timber vale
I'll cheer he need meta relevance after being not real for years
timber vale
Yeah, and it's *still effective*, imagine it on a pokemon with 125 attack
Liquidation That Reaches Through The Screen of Your Nintendo Switch to Crush Your Skull
pliant violet
did you know tough claws boosts leech life, which is now 80bp for some reason
timber vale
Give Mega Golisopod Wave Crash and Water Bubble
I can be trusted to balance pokemon I like
pliant violet
did you know tough claws boosts leech life, which is now 80bp for some reason
off mega golisopods attack stat and bulk, this is not a guy you are killing
jovial rampart
Give Mega Golisopod Water Bubble and Surging Strike.
pliant violet
hell you probably run liquidation on mega g anyway, to cover those pesky fire types
oh, torkoal mega golisopod is a nasty tr mixup I am just realising
arctic dagger
Mega Pyroar should get a version of Normalize that works on everything that isn't a fire type move
timber vale
Tough Claws i think makes Mega Golisopod meta contender in doubles and maybe niche in singles
timber vale
Water Bubble would genuinely send bro to ubers in Smogon
arctic dagger
Dragalge is one of my favorite pokemon.
pliant violet
it just got a mega smh
timber vale
I fw dragalge bigly
pliant violet
ohh, clawitzer needs some love tho
arctic dagger
Yeah, I want it to get a good ability.
When we find out what it is
Maybe like a combo of merciless and corrosion?
pliant violet
or combo merciless and poison touch
arctic dagger
OH. Give it the scovillain ability but for poison.
manic kindle
Mega Pyroar should get a version of Normalize that works on everything that isn'...
The pitch i saw that i dig was m-pyroar getting intimidate that also drops sp atk
arctic dagger
Scovillain ability but for poison would be so cool.
manic kindle
But Mega Normal Lion is very funny
pliant violet
a mega you want to take in and out of battle is not something we've seen yet too much
manic kindle
The Most Normal Lion
arctic dagger
Does it have any pivoting moves?
manic kindle
a mega you want to take in and out of battle is not something we've seen yet too...
M-Manetric is like this
pliant violet
tbf we didn't really have sacrificial metas until scovillain and the fat flower
pliant violet
M-Manetric is like this
oh?
timber vale
It has volt switch and intimidate iirc
manic kindle
M-Manetric and Incin/Arcanine make for a fun intimidate swap core
pliant violet
lightning rod is way more useful in the back
arctic dagger
It has volt switch and intimidate iirc
I'm not seeing volt switch on pyroar
pliant violet
juniper is talking about manectric
timber vale
Okay sorry for shittt typing I got a new phone that's like
arctic dagger
Ohhh ok
timber vale
7% larger
pliant violet
pyroad has no pivot moves iirc
timber vale
And it's fuxking me up so bad 
pliant violet
tbf in doubles you don't necessarily need a pivot move
timber vale
pyroad has no pivot moves iirc
Not even baton pass? I thought like every mon and its mom got that
arctic dagger
I'm not seeing it so
timber vale
Damn
pliant violet
I'm a generational artist and I run u-turn on sneasler to send it out on opening with farig to set tr, and when they expect fake out I'm u turning the weasel out for that sweet sweet tempo
I think most of the new megas are kinda cheeks but it's ok because many megas are cheeks
arctic dagger
Truth.
I'm actually kinda impressed by how many megas are NOT cheeks lmao
Like some of them are such garbage I wonder what they were thinking
pliant violet
season ends like tomorrow, then another month or two long season. Then I assume when the new regulation starts we'll get a bunch new pokemon including some/the rest of the new megas
languid lichen
god i hope we get the new megas
arctic dagger
Victreebell and Emboar I think are the only ones I'm like, this is just lame?
For the new megas?
Everyone else is kinda interesting even if they're not good
manic kindle
M-Vic has hands
languid lichen
victreebel looks like a used condom, but it's pretty good at its job
timber vale
From what I've seen mega victreebell is actually solid
I just think it looks kind of stupid
manic kindle
Its a loaded gun its so funny
languid lichen
it looks really bad
manic kindle
"Defuse my mega"
manic kindle
I think he looks silly (positive)
timber vale
On the other hand, I feel like they genuinely took Skarmory out back and shot it despite giving it a sick design visually
languid lichen
but 135 spa with some great numbers and the ability to go out swinging at all points is great
GOD
POOR SKARM
manic kindle
I love him hes so wiggly
pliant violet
suicide lead mega is really nasty, if the rest of your team cooks
manic kindle
You havent fought against m-skarm online yet huh
timber vale
Couldn't even do basic tough claws or nothing
arctic dagger
Mega Skarm losing defense was kinda criminal, tbh
pliant violet
stalwart is actually a really good ability in doubles, if redirection is common in the format
arctic dagger
But Stalwart is cool IMO
manic kindle
I got fuckin run over by m-skarm this morning
timber vale
You havent fought against m-skarm online yet huh
I want to use it in singles too is one thing
pliant violet
when the mushroom shows up you will not be against stalwart
languid lichen
i haven't played any champs doubles, yeah
timber vale
Stalwart is nice in doubles
manic kindle
Sneasler Coaching onto Skarm hurt me.
timber vale
But I just. I wanted my boy to have an ability that didn't do literally nothing for singles
manic kindle
I want to use it in singles too is one thing
I avoid singles so i cant weigh in
Vgc only for me
languid lichen
See I think it looks cool but its ability is boring
this thing does not look safe for work
arctic dagger
That's fair, but like, IDK, I just don't expect them to ever design for singles again.
arctic dagger
this thing does *not* look safe for work
I legit never thought of that until you said it.
timber vale
I don't play Champions singles to be clear
arctic dagger
I think this is just your brain.
timber vale
That's fair, but like, IDK, I just don't expect them to ever design for singles ...
Yeah that's fair.
arctic dagger
Shrug
timber vale
this thing does *not* look safe for work
See when I first saw him all I thought was that he got sent to the gallows
languid lichen
i hope mega scolipede is good
manic kindle
Theres enough sinistcha rage powder that stalwart is relevant
timber vale
i hope mega scolipede is good
Serves cunt. Praying they do not fuck it over
pliant violet
I do not like that they made it slower
languid lichen
Which would be fine for it
it really would not
it goes from 112 base speed to sixty-fucking-two
arctic dagger
Shrug And if it's in for multiple rounds that's still a strong ability.
languid lichen
speed boost would be pretty disastrous on it
timber vale
Sixty away from speed i feel necessitates like. A different ability
Especially for a faster paced space like doubles
languid lichen
i just wish they hadn't put points in its spatk
if they're stealing 50 speed from it, the least they could've done is put it all into the stats it wants
it doesn't even change types
but any ability that's not like
fucking battle armor
arctic dagger
Hmm. None of the abilities that have "Armor" in the name would be very good for it.
Which is what I'd expect if it's not a custom ability and not speedboost.
arctic dagger
Yeah but there's like no chance it's armor tail.
languid lichen
but it'd be good
pliant violet
ok hear me out though, being crit immune means potential bear enemy
arctic dagger
It's the FRONT that has crazy armor.
timber vale
I need them to please cook up a new ability for it
pliant violet
and we need more bear enemies
languid lichen
the description of armor tail is "the tail covering its head"
arctic dagger
IDK, if the bear goes to 25% damage through protect
languid lichen
so it kinda works
timber vale
In general I need them to make new abilities for megas.
arctic dagger
I think that'll probably be all the bear needs to be more reasonable
timber vale
the description of armor tail is "the tail covering its *head*"
The head on its tail
pliant violet
could give it weak armour
arctic dagger
Weak armor is mostly just worse than speed boost tho'
languid lichen
The head on its tail
The mysterious tail covering the Pokémon's head makes opponents unable to use priority moves against the Pokémon or its allies.
nay
timber vale
Wait yeah I forgot
manic kindle
I do not like that they made it slower
Trick room centipede, reggie
languid lichen
weak armor is bad speed boost, yeah
timber vale
Wait yeah I forgot
Farigiraf has the tail covering its head
languid lichen
anger shell would be bad but funny
pliant violet
Trick room centipede, reggie
I mean possibly, depends what the threats are when it comes out
also what TR setters are around
pliant violet
big horns
languid lichen
zero moves to abuse other than cross poison
pliant violet
maybe give it steelworker?
languid lichen
oh
x-scissor cross poison
both stabs
both worse than just
giving it a better ability and clicking megahorn
languid lichen
probably kind of a waste, but if they give it gunk shot it's swinging with two 120 STABs and iron tail
which is not nothing
languid lichen
i just hope they give it something new and/or something busted
because it's a bug/poison type that lost speed and didn't get an optimized statline
pliant violet
sheer force
manic kindle
Id take sharpness so i could not use the 85% acc move anyday
languid lichen
sheer force
significantly worse than sharpness for stab
manic kindle
Missing my icy winds is affecting my mental
arctic dagger
XD
pliant violet
significantly worse than sharpness for stab
but it is a busted ability
languid lichen
yeah, but it can't exploit it, so it's not busted on it
pliant violet
Missing my icy winds is affecting my mental
gotta get on that electroweb speed control type beat
languid lichen
sharpness cross poison is +1bp vs sf pjab
with +crit and +poison
and x-scissor vs uh
skitter smack? lol
manic kindle
gotta get on that electroweb speed control type beat
Can you tell pokemon to make snarl 100% acc too
languid lichen
or just megahorn
languid lichen
Can you tell pokemon to make snarl 100% acc too
make skitter smack 100acc
pliant violet
personally really enjoyed using electroweb when I was for a bit
arctic dagger
Ok so given that apparently mega victreebell has fans, I think legit the only new mega we've seen an ability for that just is a disappointment is emboar.
Which is a REALLY good hit ratio
pliant violet
I don't like fairy aura on the flower
manic kindle
personally really enjoyed using electroweb when I was for a bit
Legit ive been testing heliolisk
Hes kinda neat
pliant violet
Legit ive been testing heliolisk
walls basculegion
languid lichen
yeah mold breaker sucks ass on it, it doesn't do anything that cares about magic bounce, it doesn't really set up in a way that exploits unaware, breaking flash fire is meaningless
languid lichen
I don't like fairy aura on the flower
i love fairy aura on the flower
entirely for narrative reasons
this is The Legend's Ability
it gets the full power of the legend
pliant violet
one of the legends
manic kindle
Walls basc, shed tail is an excellent pivot, lots of neat support moves, 3 good abilities
pliant violet
the disrespect on zygarde's name
pliant violet
I would've liked it more if it became fairy dark on mega and got a combination of fairy and dark aura, if a bit weaker
it's not just a life pokemon, it's a rebirth pokemon
languid lichen
that'd be cool as hell
i'm not sad about what we got though
also floette-e gets no dark moves
so it'd need that to be solved too
arctic dagger
I feel like that would be fairy/ghost, not fairy/dark
If you wanna go harder into the rebirth themes
arctic dagger
Have we had a fairy/ghost other than mimikyu, actually/
arctic dagger
Oh, Flutter Mane, duh
timber vale
Maybe if we don't talk about The Demon gamefreak will forget to add it
timber vale
Fair
arctic dagger
Next to Iron Moth, probably
timber vale
I like it, it just also makes me feel genuine dread
My favorites are probably Iron Moth and Slither Wing
3 Volcaronas... :D
And I can theoretically run all of them on one team in OU on showdown now!!
arctic dagger
Slither Wing is neat, but the fighting type on it just doesn't make sense to me.
snow wren
make bug super effective on fairy and resist fairy
yeah thats one I'd like to see
also make ice resist water
and possibly immune to ice
timber vale
Maybe resist flying
arctic dagger
I think I'd have made Slither Wing Bug/Dragon
Instead of Bug/Fighting
Or something
timber vale
I think I'd have made Slither Wing Bug/Dragon
Okay I do fuck with that
snow wren
slither wing is neat yeah
arctic dagger
Yeah, bug/dragon or bug/dark I think. IDK, the fighting type just doesn't wow me.
pliant violet
look at it in pokemon close combat
manic kindle
I do want a nice bugdragon
snow wren
its cool in pokemon close combat though
arctic dagger
look at it in pokemon close combat
It is VERY cool in pokemon close combat.
snow wren
flygon not being bug dragon feels weird yeah
pliant violet
dugbragon
snow wren
I've mostly been playing marshadow and zapdos in cc though
manic kindle
Gudbagron
pliant violet
so true
snow wren
Normal/Ice
Normal/Bug
Normal/Steel
Normal/Rock
Fire/Fairy
Ice/Poison
Ground/Fairy
Bug/Dragon
Rock/Ghost
these are apparently the remaning unused type combos
ice poison sounds neat personally
arctic dagger
Normal/Ice, Normal/Steel, Normal/Rock be like Shakes hands die instantly to a light fighting type breeze
snow wren
normal ice would suck as a defensive type yeah
snow wren
ice needs to be given some resistances so its not the worst typing to have
arctic dagger
IMO it should resist water and grass
manic kindle
Ground Fairy frightens me.
snow wren
just give it 150 attack speed and an abilituy that prevents it from harming allies, I'm sure that would be totally balanced and fun
we need to make sure the older pokemon are powercrept out of any use
arctic dagger
Hmm
Ice is a poor conductor
Could give it electric resist
If you don't wanna nerf grass
pliant violet
we need to make sure the older pokemon are powercrept out of any use
some of the strongest pokemon in doubles are from gen 1/6
snow wren
it feels weird to make it electric resit tbh
I'd make grass resist fairy to possibly balance it out
sudden spade
As a fan of articuno, I will support electric resist on ice 😛
arctic dagger
I'm thinking this combos with bug resisting and beating fairy
Which means I'd rather do something other than resists fairy
And also I don't get how that works like, metaphysically
As where at least ice has a physics reason to resist electric
pliant violet
bug resisting and super effective on fairy is the number 1 change I'd like to see
snow wren
I think its because fairies are things of nature so don't harm it, fire resisting fairy feels weirder to me
manic kindle
Yeah in the grand scheme of things, a lot of pokemon are Very Useable
pliant violet
burn the supernatural
pliant violet
steel and poison not only make great thematic sense to be the anti-fairy types but also balancing wise
arctic dagger
Anyway I need to eep
timber vale
Stay away from Darkrai
snow wren
It’s neat to me that darkrai is one of the few Pokémon that takes the sort of trappings we usually see with ghosts
pliant violet
oh?
snow wren
Most of the sort of spooky floaty mobs are ghost
I don’t think they should be ghost darkevil fits them perfectly but it’s like visually the design language is common in ghost types
I went to a pub tonight d at I may be struggling to m as me this make sense of this even does
obtuse ravine
I put the motivation into ya
🙂↕️
might aim for 1800 elo for the end of the season, but i am not pressed
pliant violet
that's like a day away
obtuse ravine
it is what it is
1770 rn
so 2 net wins or so away
I'm very happy with how i've done in any case
next i will just try different teams
pliant violet
you're higher ranked than me I think, I don't actually look at my elo
pliant violet
nvm 3 days
obtuse ravine
i have torkoal, venusaur, and charizard for sun
farigiraf and scovillain for tricky room
could try to build around mega bunny as well
quiet galleon
Just realised scrappy and freeze dry kinda rhyme
Makes type matchups a lill weird
Hovering at 1900 :)
snow wren
Ive beenusi g mimikyu rhyperior smd abomasnow for t room
manic kindle
i was 1900+, but i decayed down to 1850s and im ok with that for s1
near flower
if you could do some changes to pokemon like new moves/hidden abilities etc for ...
id trade 22 points of spA for 22 points of speed on feraligatr
and put the 10 points of spA they gave its mega into speed
arctic dagger
Yeah going to 100 speed would help it a lot
near flower
gamefreak are afraid of giving speed to my boy
timber vale
arctic dagger
Dragon type espeed would definitely be very funny
azure crane
I like Feraligatr having special attack. There are so many better special attacks with effects for Sheer Force than physical ones.
pliant violet
Dragon type espeed would definitely be very funny
Dragonite weeps
languid lichen
...but it's not a special attacker
it has bad special attack, bad special attacks, and drastically better physical options on all fronts
giving it spa does not make it a special attacker, it makes it waste stats
snow wren
I wonder how the metagame will look when we get a season that has all pokemon available
pliant violet
There’s regulations in scvi that can show you that for doubles, mostly
snow wren
I wonder if megas will stick around or if we'll see them canish after we move away from the za themed seasons
I prefer megas to legendaries, I don't really like using legends
timber vale
hrm
I'm doing showdown Champions because I do not have the patience to build up a team
should I go outrage + flare blitz on charizard x
or should I go dragon claw
because outrage seems risky
arctic dagger
Outrage has always been a bit meh since fairy type
timber vale
yeah fair
pliant violet
I prefer megas to legendaries, I don't really like using legends
You can do no megas no legends
snow wren
I'm not the ones choosing what the seasons will be though
the first year after a new gen will probably be very focused on mons in that generation
pliant violet
Probably yeah, a regional dex format is usually how that works
manic kindle
should I go outrage + flare blitz on charizard x
i think dragon claw maximizes your ability to hit the targets you want while giving you plenty of freedom to hit Protect, if youre on a d-dance set
pliant violet
I’m hoping we get a no gimmick, limited strength Dex, format
arctic dagger
Seems very unlikely but
pliant violet
With champions functioning like it does I think more experimental funky formats are available to them
manic kindle
esp cuz you can have more than one queue with how they've been doing the events
arctic dagger
Yeah but splitting queues is quite often dangerous
It's not to say they won't or can't, but I don't think it's more likely than not
pliant violet
yeah I wouldn't suggest that but like, reg h was fairly experimental, never had they increased then decreased format power level in the same game
arctic dagger
Reg H was cool, yeah
pliant violet
also they don't have to increase the mons available each reg now, they can just change the pool out
arctic dagger
Yeah although I'll be interested to see what they do with the resources people put into pokemon that will no longer be available
I do think something like Reg H is likely, but I think no gimmick with it is unlikely.
pliant violet
I'm interested to see any of what they do in general
arctic dagger
I expect what we're going to get is the next variation will just be power up, with more pokemon and megas available
Followed by a VERY high power format
And then the new generation format
And we might get a low power format like, 2-4 formats after that
That isn't just whatever power the new generation format ends up
Those are always kinda a tossup
But I'd expect the next 2 to just be continued power increases
manic kindle
Yeah but splitting queues is quite often dangerous
sorry, i mean to do what they currently do: you still have your singles/doubles always-up ladders, but we've had a few little tournament weekend stuff happening
timber vale
I fucking love Heatmor and Durant
manic kindle
such a fun pair
they're pokemon id love to see like... the design notes / process on
were they made together? did one come first?
timber vale
I fucking love Heatmor and Durant
Durant is an ant that hates everything and its existence is pure hatred
Heatmor is a tired-ass factory worker clocking in for his job to kill giant metal blade ants because he's gotta eat
manic kindle
durant is such a hater its willing to give up accuracy to hit you harder
languid lichen
it's on the grindset
manic kindle
they're up there for me whenever i think of how black/white was cookin'
obtuse ravine
played a bit of singles and learned about no guard and dynamic punch
languid lichen
i really like BW's designs
obtuse ravine
languid lichen
oh, is golurk or machamp in the meta?
obtuse ravine
not sure about meta, I'm in like great ball but it tore up my aggron
timber vale
I cooked a team that seems to be performing well on low ladder but idk if it'll hold up
snow wren
golurk saw play early but quickly fell off, mega golurk was just really dissapointing
arctic dagger
Mostly because Bascu really hard counters it IMO
And is one of the most played pokemon
I think it's a fine pokemon that is in a REALLY bad meta for it
snow wren
Incin and kingsgambit can also be rough matchups
snow wren
Yeah physical ghost types have really rough attack selection
sudden spade
Give Golurk Spirit Shackle or Spectral Thief cowards
arctic dagger
Spectral Thief would be CRAZY
IMO Shadow Punch should be 80 power
Better than giving more access to switch locking or boost stealing
IMO
pliant violet
Best monotype pokemon of each type, go
arctic dagger
Best in what context?
pliant violet
Dealers choice
sudden spade
All(Arceus)
pliant violet
I have put a Lego brick in your shoe
arctic dagger
Snorlax, Hariyama, Arceus(Flying), Muk, Hippowdon, Garganacl, Pinsir, Houndstone, Orthworm, Cinderace, Suicune, Tangrowth, Xurkitree, Wobbuffet, G-Darmanitan, Goodra, Umbreon, Clefable
I think would be my list
languid lichen
Dealers choice
Normal: Minccino
Fire: Litten
Water: Buizel
Grass: Leafeon
Electric: Shinx
Ice: Glaceon
Fighting: Riolu
Psychic: Espurr
Ghost: (Mega) Banette
Dark: (Mega) Absol
Rock: Lycanroc
Ground: Cubone
Steel: Mega Aggron
Flying: N/A
Poison: Poipole
Bug: Kricketune
Dragon: Dratini
Fairy: Eternal Floette
if i had to choose between native mono-fliers (Tornadus, Rookidee, Corvisquire) it would be therian tornadus
languid lichen
garg
pliant violet
Garg these nuts
languid lichen
oh i swapped off of garganacl for lycanroc
arctic dagger
LMAO
arctic dagger
😄
languid lichen
excellent
arctic dagger
Pretty funny, tbh
languid lichen
mutually non-mutually incorrect, a fascinating way to be incorrect
arctic dagger
I almost picked Aggron for steel too, and Glaceon for ice
languid lichen
Garg these nuts
pliant violet
If you say mutually one more time I’m going to assume you’re trying to sell me insurance
arctic dagger
But I wanted only one eeveelution so I ended up w/ Galarian Darmanitan for ice
I'd have gone for vulpix for ice but I was trying to go for evolved forms only
pliant violet
Gorilla tactics is so funny
languid lichen
and yet reggie, the coward, refuses to post his own 
pliant violet
I’m technically at work, just bored
arctic dagger
Gorilla tactics is so funny
Gotta choice your choice so you can choice while you choice
languid lichen
ah, reasonable, i just don't have a ton of monos i prefer
pliant violet
It came about because I thought about how good rillaboom is
languid lichen
some of em (riolu, shinx, buizel, leafeon, absol, banette, dratini) were ez because i am a very big fan of them all
but the rest weren't so much
arctic dagger
I would say of my choices, Flying/Fire/Steel/Ice are the only ones I was like "ehhhhh" on my choices
I don't like any of the monotype pokemon of those types much
arctic dagger
Yeah same with me and Darmanitan
I don't dislike any of the ones I picked, I'd just probably never pick a monotype of those types in a vacuum
Frosslass and Ninetales are by far my favorite ice types for instance
quiet galleon
Normal; Lopunny
Fighting; Riolu
Flying; Corvisquire
Poison; Nidorina
Ground; Trapinch
Rock; Klawf :)
Bug; weirdly hard, Burmy?
Ghost; Mismagius
Steel; Orthworm
Fire; hard in a good way, Braixen probly
Water; Piplup
Grass; Tsarina
Electric; Luxray
Psychic; Hattrem
Ice; Glaceon
Dragon; Dragonair
Dark; Umbreon
Fairy; Sylveon
very eeveelution ending
obsidian stump
Normal: Porygon2
Fighting: Falinks
Flying: Swablu (All of the normal/flyings are pure flying in my heart)
Poison: Nidorina
Ground: Trapinch
Rock: Gigalith
Bug: Accelgor
Ghost: Mismagius
Steel: Mega Aggron
Fire: Cyndaquil
Water: Milotic
Grass: Chikorita
Electric: Mareep
Psychic: Reuniclus
Ice: Vanilite
Dragon: Goodra
Dark: Zoroark
Fairy: Sylveon
runic umbra
wait, we listing our favourites by type?
wild prairie
Best monotype pokemon of each type, go
Normal: Wooloo
Fighting: Mienfoo (LC GOAT)
Flying: Rookidee I guess? There are only like two mono-flyings lmao
Poison: Swalot
Ground: Phanpy
Rock: Garganacl
Bug: Wurmple
Ghost: Dusclops
Steel: Copperajah
Fire: Ninetales
Water: Milotic
Grass: Lilligant
Electric: Mareep
Psychic: Abra
Ice: Alolan Vulpix
Dragon: Dratini
Dark: Thievul
Fairy: Clefable
pliant violet
mienfoo is my hated enemy because of how it controls LC
wild prairie
I see it as a little bit of a gen 2 Snorlax situation, where it's definitely overcentralizing but I think the meta would suck without it
obtuse ravine
i sit down in the first class of the term and the people behind me are talking about sinistcha
arctic dagger
Tell them they're cool and you should be friends
snow wren
sinistcha is fun but man is matcha powder the poster child of the ongoing move creep
sorry the attack not the powder move
whats it called? matcha gotcha right
multi target, self heal and burn chance all in one
azure crane
durant is such a hater its willing to give up accuracy to hit you harder
I think Entrainment Truant Durant is even more of a hater.
arctic dagger
sinistcha is fun but man is matcha powder the poster child of the ongoing move c...
Ehhhh. We've always had insane moves, they used to just be pretty limited in who gets them.
A lot more Pokemon get really crazy stuff these days
But imo this mostly just lets more Pokemon be viable
snow wren
wait truant durant has a niche
arctic dagger
It's not like gen1 didn't have some of the best moves in the game still
Blizzard was 120 power spread move with 90 accuracy and freeze chance
And the freeze was 30% originally
Early self destruction and explosion with their halving Pokemon defense
There's a billion insane status effects
A lot of which have also been nerfed over time
A lot of strength in generations was as much do you have access to the busted stuff as much as it was actual stats
And I'd much rather have that kind of power creep than 120 bp moves on everyone
More utility is way more interesting imo
I like close combat but I don't want everyone to have access to a stab version of it yknow
And in order to be an 80bp move that competes with that, they need some juice
runic umbra
Normal: Meowth
Fighting: Crabrawler
Flying: Hoothoot
Poison: Koffing
Ground: Dugtrio
Rock: Rolycoly
Bug: Karrablast
Ghost: Cofagrigus
Steel: Perrserker (cuz claw swords)
Fire: Flareon
Water: Mudkip
Grass: Turtwig
Electric: elekid
Psychic: Espeon
Ice: Snorunt
Dragon: Bagon
Dark: Absol
Fairy: Togepi (honestly I don't feel very strongly about any of the fairy monotypes)
arctic dagger
If we're including normal/flying types as mono flying, which I do think is reasonable
arctic dagger
I'll probably go with toucannon
Beak blast is a really cool move
Skill link is a sick ability
runic umbra
pure flying is a very small pool
arctic dagger
Yeah
runic umbra
basically only rookidee and its evolution
arctic dagger
Legit one legendary and one line, and Arceus if you count that
runic umbra
okay, and tornadus, but nobody cares about it and its siblings
arctic dagger
They sure exist and some of them matter sometimes in competitive
runic umbra
I frequently forget they exist
arctic dagger
But they're neither cute nor cool enough for me to care about them outside of mechanics, and they're post game or event only so
runic umbra
and when I remember I'm like "these are the worst thing I've seen all day"
arctic dagger
I've never had them in game either
runic umbra
they're just grumpy old men
runic umbra
wait, gen8 added a new one?
https://pokewiki.de/images/8/82/Hauptartwork_905.png?20220216123413
Gurl, this haircut does nothing for you
https://pokewiki.de/images/4/46/Hauptartwork_905a.png?20220216123607
alright this I can accept
the haircut's still too much
this made me think about some of the designs in fun ways tho. Like how Elekid might be the best design in its evolution line
blissful needle
timber vale
FUCK 😭
quiet galleon
Wanma replay sun and moon…
I keep seeing videos about rock slide flinches and it made me think and its weird cause I feel like Ive definitely benefited from it a lot especially when I was playing sand but cant think of any times Ive really been hit by it
near flower
monotype is tough
Normal: Meowth
Fire: Cyndaquil
Water: Feraligatr (whole line)
Grass: Grovyle
Electric: Raikou
Ice: Vanillite
Ground: Groudon
Rock: Roggenrola
Steel: Galarian Meowth
Poison: Seviper
Dragon: Haxorus
Bug: Grubbin
Ghost: Duskull
Flying: Tornadus Therian
Fighting: Falinks
Fairy: Alcremie
Dark: Absol
Psychic: Mewtwo
doing this made me realize how few pure rock and steel types there are.
obtuse ravine
cyndaquil ☺️
near flower
im a johto boy at heart what can i say
(chikorita is 2nd place after grovyle)
snow wren
I wonder why trick room rampardos rock slide has never been tried but I guess it’s just too easily walled by defensive steel types that are a dime a dozen and often meta
pliant violet
Also it has to survive, aqua jet and bullet punch are common tools that also eat it alive
snow wren
also mach punch
obtuse ravine
i think i'll start off the new season with lopunny
dunno if that means i just play my normal team with lopunny instead of sneasler, or something else
or lopunny with mega gengar 
arctic dagger
Two mega skarmory, paired with mega char, in the japanese nationals
As well as a mega blast/mega kang trick room set
For cool nonstandard teams
@obtuse ravine Lopunny mention
It's the 4th team
Starts at about 8min
M-Aero, M-Lo, Viv/Bascu/Sneasler/Meowscarada
Big hyper offense energy
Just Hit Them Really Hard energy
quiet galleon
ooh
I've been thinking about doing the mega aero thing but focus sash is just so nice
arctic dagger
Bascu not scarfed is cool to see
quiet galleon
ik I should just watch the video n I will but is the scarf on someone else?
arctic dagger
Meow
arctic dagger
Sash viv, sitrus berry bascu, herb sneasler, scarf meow
Scarf meow flower trick, axel, knock off, u-turn with protean
arctic dagger
One shots bascu, aero, and quite a number of other folks at high speed
Scarf kinda negates the nerf on protean in a way
Since a scarf'd protean with act the same way as protean acted before since you can't swap between the moves regardless
quiet galleon
ooh protean axel sounds nasty
has a extremely slight chance to kill (2/0) garchomp with only 2 hits lmao
which is like guaranteed if its following up on a lopunny fake out
languid lichen
Bascu not scarfed is cool to see
what was it? ik band & specs aren't in yet
is shit like mystic water in?
quiet galleon
has a extremely slight chance to kill (2/0) garchomp with only 2 hits lmao
wait I forgot to put attack ivs into meow
mystic water exists but this team uses sitrus
manic kindle
mystic water is in
the weakness reducing berries are also in
more niche / usually used for the guys who know they're gunna eat a Close Combat
quiet galleon
the item stuff is really interesting
arctic dagger
what was it? ik band & specs aren't in yet
It was just a sitrus berry
languid lichen
ah, ic
peak island
Normal; Lopunny
Fighting; Riolu
Flying; Corvisquire
Poison; Nidorina
Ground; Tra...
Breon mentioned
pliant violet
As well as a mega blast/mega kang trick room set
how'd that do? mega blast has shown promise on ladder but no tournament results
arctic dagger
I mean it qualified for the national level tournament
So pretty good
I don't think the tournament happened yet
pliant violet
ahh
arctic dagger
Ok yeah, 128 players qualified for the japanese nationals
Which will be on june 6-7
Down from 640 in the first stage
So they're top 128 Shrug
pliant violet
dual megas seem like hard meta strategy
arctic dagger
It does yeah
I think basically because individual megas are too easy to potentially counter
The way I'm seeing it is you have 2 team members that are always in probably, and then each mega gets a partner that goes with it, as like a "Basic" setup for how the teams are made
pliant violet
that tracks yeah
snow wren
I've been using mega abomasnow as my main mega but my team is far far from meta
manic kindle
When you do see single mega teams placing high its cuz the mega slot is being used on one of the usual suspect heavy hitters
pliant violet
ok the blastoise mode is good, unsure how to use the trickroom variant
arctic dagger
I assume the trick room side is farig/torkoal/kang/viv?
Not sure tho'
I'd guess it leads viv/farig, throws out sleep powder and trick room, hopes viv dies, and then brings in torkoal, with kang to clean up?
They kinda have to kill viv or it'll just put the whole enemy team to sleep
So you can use it being fast to get a sleep out, then the pivot from it dying to bring in torkoal safely
And it can rage powder to force its own death
If it needs to
pliant violet
I've been leading viv with blastoise
arctic dagger
I think viv also leads with blastoise yeah
That one would be viv/blast/bascu/farig
pliant violet
viv blastoise with farig and basc in back
arctic dagger
With option to either rain dance or sleep powder depending up mus
pliant violet
rage powder so blastoise can shell smash is also kinda sick
arctic dagger
Yeah
pliant violet
maybe it's just I don't know the matchups to bring the trick room mode
pliant violet
rage powder so blastoise can shell smash is also kinda sick
this also often means viv faints so farig can come in and helping hand
arctic dagger
My thought offhand is the trick room side is for dealing with like, a lot of steel types
pliant violet
I played a couple games against a team leading sableye and the bridge where sableye even kindly set the rain for me
arctic dagger
The blastoise side has a hard time punching through like, Kingambit
But I do feel like it should have a good MU into sun and fairy shenanigans, which is the most common thing to run into
But I feel like if you think someone is just gonna like
Sneasler/Aero/King/Garchomp at you
The trick room side is gonna work better for you
Does that make sense?
pliant violet
ye
I'm considering swapping dark pulse for aura sphere
gives blastoise game into steel types
pliant violet
Water spout, dark pulse, fake out, shell smash
languid lichen
oh shit it gets spout?
pliant violet
yee
pliant violet
yeah turn one smash while having ally rage powder, turn 2 water spout faster than most anything at +2 and full health
languid lichen
lol how do you even deal with that shit
is goggles in?
or is it purely leading grasses
pliant violet
no goggles
pliant violet
leading grass, stalwart, having something heavily resistant or immune to water
obtuse ravine
what pokemon is viv- nvm
pliant violet
*is Powder back?*
as in the move just named powder? no
obtuse ravine
leading grass, stalwart, having something heavily resistant or immune to water
meganium ☺️
pliant violet
meganium is an option, funnily enough often on rain teams so I don't have to set blastoise up and instead use hurricane off my vivillion
obtuse ravine
pliant violet
this team is netdecked to be clear from the aaron zheng vid about what did well at japanese nats qualifiers
snow wren
Funny that the crappy starter bugs actually have a niche
Shame that trick room setters have solidified around firagiraff amd a sinistcha in the back, I use mimi as my lead setter but I’m aware it’s suboptimal
I should try milotic instead of rotom wash next time I play
also need to figure out what to replace scizor with, since he never comes out since he shares a mega slot with abomasnow and has the same weakness
was thinking blastoise could be interesting but its speed stat is too high to use in troom effectively
pliant violet
could try tail room
snow wren
I'm thinking of trying that one yeah, shame that mega chandelure is still too meh to use that sadly
its a hard meta for ghost types with incin and kingsgambit defining the meta
huh, looking at pikalytics and there's a lot of perish song gengar out right now
looks like entrainment/fissure mega hawlucha/snorlax has seen some fringe play
arctic dagger
Mega Skarm it turns out can oneshot all of M-Char, M-Floette, and M-Aero
With iron Head or Rock Tomb
So that's a really interesting counter set
wispy yarrow
sudden spade
God, now I'm remembering how gen1 Aerodactacl's moveset is like the Most Garbage moveset in gen one
Which takes some work
pliant violet
This could also say garchomp
wispy yarrow
True!
pliant violet
I think part of why I like trick room is the contrarian in me
Also knowing that I’m likely to lose if I go against someone playing the same thing as them
quiet galleon
Im playing wolfey’s delphox team and I have no idea how you do farig trick room here
pliant violet
what's the team
pliant violet
oh as in how do you deal with it?
pliant violet
gambit is not fast, gyarados and something doubling the farig basically guarantees to the ko before it sets room
pliant violet
stop it setting room and protect/switching to stall, would be my strategies
quiet galleon
Ive been afraid of intimidate into gambit but I guess mega crunch is a thing yeah
pliant violet
I'd take gambit in back if you're worried about troom
but yeah as a committed troom lover, I fear having my setter ko'd
quiet galleon
I think using a net team also just feels weird haha
quiet galleon
Won a 1v3 kinggambit endgame against a chud so thats nice 😊
pliant violet
how did you know they're a chud?
quiet galleon
Pokemon nicknames
pliant violet
ah
snow cobalt
timber vale
Mega Golisopod looks so fucking cool
They took normal Golisopod and then injected him with pure aura
snow wren
I've never seen them used
pliant violet
I'd like to see a regional golisopod that goes the knight route
pliant violet
I've never seen them used
not in champions yet
snow wren
H Die wnoufh
they are a cool looking mon though
snow wren
I am not evern sure what I was meaning to type there
manic kindle
I'm holding out to see it's ability
i know folk want some neat stuff but in my heart of hearts i just want it to have Wimp Out Again
I'm wondering if I should switch up my team for next ladder reset and the evolving meta... i kinda have a hard time with the m-aero teams popping up rn
pliant violet
I switched for that mega blastoise mega kang team from the aaron zheng video
pliant violet
i know folk want some neat stuff but in my heart of hearts i just want it to hav...
literally just let me have it with tough claws
be hands down the best tr mega
pliant violet
I switched for that mega blastoise mega kang team from the aaron zheng video
blastoise mode is a lot easier for me to get a hang of, weirdly
manic kindle
aaron's teambuilding is so nice
pliant violet
not his, from japanese nationals qualifiers
pliant violet
no you're murdoc
though I think tr kang mode clicks a bit better when I bring kang in the rear for cleanup
quiet galleon
His breakdowns seem really helpful
pliant violet
he's a real one for sure but I also think champions is great for content creators in general
experienced pokemon ones and creators looking to get into it
think I saw an overwatch guy getting deep into it?
and it's cool to see other people on the "played pokemon forever but new to competitive" grind
manic kindle
im hoping people stick with it
pliant violet
I think the next regulation will really decide it
arctic dagger
Ok they confirmed we're getting new pokemon and held items every 3 months
But that it won't JUST be additions, they'll be taking stuff away sometimes too
pliant violet
ok these are all good things
arctic dagger
And legendaries will show up, but it sounds like will not be legal more often than they will be?
So that's cool
pliant violet
I do prefer lower power formats
arctic dagger
This was from an interview that was in Japanese so
Take what I say with a grain of translation-error salt
timber vale
I'd like to see a regional golisopod that goes the knight route
True...
obtuse ravine
<@279794482738888714> Lopunny mention
finally getting around to watching this
☺️
ooh taunt on sneasler... that might be nice to stop trick room 👀 except it'll still lose to a rage powder partner
huh, the more you know
pliant violet
and I do know
obtuse ravine
the knower
snow wren
But that it won't JUST be additions, they'll be taking stuff away sometimes too
To champions or the main format for competitive?
pliant violet
champions is the main competitive format
quiet galleon
Gunk shot sneasler was wild to me and then I found out gunk shot is a physical move
arctic dagger
To champions or the main format for competitive?
I'm assuming both, yes.
Like, Champions is intended as a competitive platform.
quiet galleon
Aiui its currently a little transitory but like the goal is for this years worlds to be in champions with a mega format
arctic dagger
Unless you mean "Main format for competitive" you mean VGC?
At which point no, this is about Champions, not the VGC format outside of Champions
quiet galleon
Playing another team today made me appreciate mega lop so much. Not being able to fake out basc or outspeed sneasler is so sad
Oh the other thing I found interesting about the lopunny aero team is the basculegion set
Agility instead of wave crash
I guess if its bulky you might wanna avoid the recoil??
snow wren
Oh sorry I was mostly looking at the removal that the addition
I think limited competitive metasas the best but I think unranked should just have all non restricted mobs
arctic dagger
I think it's easier for them to just program it all together
snow wren
I don’t think it’s that much more difficult
snow wren
Glimmora is neat
Snorlax and mega hawlucha is another weird duo I’ve seen get some success looking at tourney teams
arctic dagger
That one is usually memes with fissure I think
snow wren
yeah, a surprising of number of teams on pikalytics last I chekced though
I need to try out glimmora in doubles more
pliant violet
Numbers matter a lot less than results or like, day 2 numbers
Anyone can enter, day 2ing an event lends credence to a team idea
snow wren
pikalytics ranks theirs by success and recency so these were teams with like 7-3 or 8-2 results
I'm guessing a big part of the appeal for glimmora is that they hit incineroarwhile being unafraid of his intimidate, can use earth power for kingsgambit on their weaker defensive stat, and isn't weak to fighting type (although they're fragile enough that snealser will still hit like a truck). They're also rock type for chrizard and poison for whimsicot and sylveon