but also focus miss
#POKÉMON CENTER
pliant violet
manic kindle
even just 100% rock slide
manic kindle
timber vale
...hey, wait
pliant violet
new rotom form never seen before
timber vale
That doesn't look like rotom
snow cobalt
rotom fluffy form
pliant violet
nothing too surprising here, everything on the top 10 is an individually powerful setup or pay out piece with some incidental synergy or counterplay with other things on the list
arctic dagger
Rotom Fluff is real and CAN hurt you
pliant violet
did y'all know charizard gets tailwind
languid lichen
yeah
manic kindle
yeah i got baited by it today
languid lichen
shit gets everything
manic kindle
i fake out'd the talonflame and charizard went mega x tailwind 😩
#owned as they say
pliant violet
charizard benefits from the same thing many gen 1 pokemon do, they've been around long enough to pick up a bunch of extra stuff
languid lichen
it also benefits from being the mascot of the game
along with pikachu
so it's always around to get more stuff
a bunch of other gen 1 mons aren't in that position
but a bunch are, so
arctic dagger
I legit just think it was on the roster to make people think they were going into sun
And bring stuff to counter that wasn't needed
pliant violet
it's funny to me that you could run a team with all 3 kanto starters on it it'd have some value
manic kindle
bo1 no teamsheet cheese is always a little funny
arctic dagger
I saw Protect and Tailwind from it and nothing else before it died so
IDK what else it was doing
It had the take less damage from rock type moves berry
manic kindle
truly the anti meta bait charizard
pliant violet
did get caught out by feint sneasler earlier
pliant violet
protect to cover the fake out and you get feinted
mostly works because it's uncommon
manic kindle
uncommon and like upper hand you gotta be careful using it
I want to test h-Zoro instead of spiritomb 🤔
obtuse ravine
rolled a few times with my friend and i think i have a decent rain team
manic kindle
Adds team preview mindgames too
obtuse ravine
rolled a few times with my friend and i think i have a decent rain team
i was gonna send a screenshot but it's maintenance rn
😭
arctic dagger
Hisui Zoroark also has the benefit that sometimes your opponent just fucks up
I dont' think you should ever really spend effort to confuse people, but it does sometimes just happen and cause people to die
pliant violet
good special attack with hyper voice, too
arctic dagger
Yeah I just see some people do some REALLY silly things with trying to confuse you as to what it is
pliant violet
bitter malice is also a solid signature move
arctic dagger
Instead of just playing the game
pliant violet
I think ally switch is worth it if you put it alongside something like kingambit
not for the trick but because it has 3 immunities
pliant violet
it's also useful on opening for fake out immunity
languid lichen
but stat shredding do be very powerful
arctic dagger
I mean. It's not particularly worse than shadow ball alot of the time even in singles IMO
languid lichen
5bp with no damaging upside is a critical loss
pliant violet
it has a surprisingly broad supporting movepool
languid lichen
like
there's a reason it never runs its sig
in singles
and that's because shadow ball is already low for a competitive damaging move
you really cannot go lower than it and remain functional
arctic dagger
Oh, right, I usually see it with Hex
pliant violet
it has a surprisingly broad supporting movepool
trick for example, choice locking aero
languid lichen
wow + hex is a lot different
yeah, willowisp, taunt, trick, technically curse and memento but those aren't very good on something that's not a hazard-setting suicide lead
languid lichen
i can't imagine that's relevant when it also has bitter malice
that does that but at 75bp
arctic dagger
Is baby doll spread?
languid lichen
no
languid lichen
one adj. target, status, -1 atk
arctic dagger
Priority, right?
languid lichen
no
arctic dagger
What level of prio is it?
languid lichen
p sure it's prio 0
languid lichen
oh
arctic dagger
Otherwise it'd just be fairy type growl lmao
languid lichen
fake tears?
arctic dagger
Yeah I just was trying to think of which one was -2spdf
And my first thought was screech but no that's jjust normal def
pliant violet
ye
languid lichen
it gets fake tears helping hand taunt trick wow memento as like
things that matter
curse maybe
dunno if doubles cares
probably not
they should give h zork fake out
arctic dagger
Normal stab fake out is always funny
pliant violet
on top of solid stab typing, and moves
pliant violet
they should give h zork fake out
with illusion you're gonna catch someone out with that every time, I'm sold
languid lichen
i think the funniest thing you could possibly do is run that + blaze incineroar
so your incin comes in, doesn't intim, and then you just fucking bonk them with a flare blitz anyway
pliant violet
in best of 3 or open teamsheet yeah that's tricky
languid lichen
and it's a horrible guess to make bc of fake out immunity or not
pliant violet
think it doesn't make up for the value of intimidate unfortunately, though bitter malice does cosplay intim
languid lichen
and fighting immunity or not
snow wren
I didn’t realize that basculegion male and female are different
pliant violet
white stripe and red?
umbral hound
Basculegion, not Basculin.
...wait no, they have white versus red stripes. That was a meaningless and wrong correction.
But male ones are just always better since female trades 20 atk for 20 SpA which makes it mediocre at both.
wispy yarrow
Minary: The Mining Pokemon
Flying/Poison
Ability: Poison Heal | Prankster
Pokedex Entry: A bird Pokemon that makes its roost near mountains with large coal deposits. It uses its beak to chip away and gather coal in its crop, to be regurgitated later, or as a form of defense. Miners often use Minary near an area as an indicator that the deposits are good.
Cobill: The Mining Pokemon
Flying/Poison
Ability: Poison Heal | Prankster
Pokedex Entry: The evolved form of Minary, it nests within mines, and grows very territorial while its young are developing, as their beaks are quite weak for their first week out. The coal gathered in its crop is expelled as a dust while it flies.
wispy yarrow
shit you right
wispy yarrow
Toxic Debris could work with what I have set here
Lore-wise
I do love Corrosion as an ability
Pastel Veil actually, that's a funny one. Works with the theme, canary in the coal mine, prevents poisoning for allies
a bit of a waste on itself
pliant violet
just got trick imprisoned by a rotom sinistcha lead, so I couldn't tr and it forced my fairg out because it was locked into TR it coudn't use with it's wonderful new scarf
beautiful stuff
pliant violet
damn if you ever wanna feel bad about the game, entirely f2p wolfey got to masterball in 4 hours of play
quaint hollow
Wolfey is just built different.
pliant violet
true
also he was doing the climb not immediately when the game dropped, so got some meta info
pliant violet
how goes the climb este, I could check but my switch is not in my hands
you were doing some pulls with a friend to get advice to build a team right?
obtuse ravine
yeye!
haven't tried it yet because maintenance started when we finished the team lol
but we're going to play some tonight after my last exam
freedom at last
pliant violet
shell yeah
pliant violet
dnite for if the opponent is running a sun team? since megaganium struggles there?
obtuse ravine
we were debating between arcanine and something else, but megameganium covers most of what fighting beats iirc?
obtuse ravine
dnite for if the opponent is running a sun team? since megaganium struggles ther...
🙂↕️
i think so..
matchups where it doesn't do the best and then i can be doing thunder/hurricane instead
snow wren
Wolfy already knew the meta smd more importantly why things are meta when the game launched though
pliant violet
why quick claw instead of leftovers?
obtuse ravine
we love gambling (but are fine with either choice)
I'll try both
also i should probably purchase my aerodactyl and tune it
pliant violet
Wolfy already knew the meta smd more importantly why things are meta when the ga...
no one knew what was good when the game launched cause a bunch of things expected to be in, pokemon and items, weren't in the game
since we didn't know the pool of pokemon and items before launch on launch people were scrambling
like normally aerodactyl wouldn't be nearly as good but the specific meta and items help it
arctic dagger
Yeah but wolfie IS psychic and a genius
pliant violet
shit you right
I'm mostly saying climbing ranks now should be slightly easier, meta is more settled and also the really good folks should in theory be in the higher ranks
obtuse ravine
🙂↕️
arctic dagger
No idea who you were fighting next
Coughing baby or hydrogen bomb
And what you thought was a troll team could have been an insane flex
obtuse ravine
does feraligatr have a mega
arctic dagger
Yes but it's not very good.
pliant violet
well also just like, coughing baby could've built a team that makes little sense in the context of the game but handles your anti-meta team
arctic dagger
Yeah that's kinda what I meant by troll team coulda been an insane flex
pliant violet
does feraligatr have a mega
yes but it's got weird speed issues, that's pretty much the only thing holding it back
obtuse ravine
hmm i see
pliant violet
it hits super hard but is too fast for trick room and is a little slow for tailwind
arctic dagger
78 speed is slow enough almost everything fast... Yeah, that.
It gets outsped by real speed, and too fast for trick room.
pliant violet
and doesn't get nasty priority moves to make up for it
it's also not absurdly bulky
arctic dagger
It's decently bulky, and pretty good typing, but ice and fairy type moves are really common right now.
obtuse ravine
i see i see
arctic dagger
Er, dragon*
arctic dagger
Sorry just waking up lmao
obtuse ravine
is garchomp a pokemon that mainly uses earthquake, idr if it was another mon
arctic dagger
Garchomp is just great atm
pliant violet
there will always be good dragon and fairy type pokemon around
arctic dagger
It definitely uses EQ but it has other stuff that's good too
obtuse ravine
i have also seen it using rock slide, presumably with king's rock
pliant violet
is garchomp a pokemon that mainly uses earthquake, idr if it was another mon
eq, rock slide, dragon claw, fourth move, probably scarfed
obtuse ravine
my poor megameganium was outlasting it and zero palafin with synthesis but got flinched 3/5 times
unlucky
pliant violet
if it's scarfed move 4 is not protect
arctic dagger
Yeah, berry set runs something like EQ/slide/taunt/protect or something
obtuse ravine
also after 3 blaze tauros i got an aqua one, but in the same roll as palafin..
pliant violet
dragon claw is worth considering
pliant violet
I don't remember seeing it use taunt but I haven't kitted one out myself yet
obtuse ravine
also! i learned that just bringing a milotic can introduce some rps on whether your opponent leads with an intimidator
that's cool 
pliant violet
yep!
obtuse ravine
or same with kingambit
arctic dagger
I saw a Brick Break on it once
obtuse ravine
pliant violet
hell it can effect whether they bring an intimidator at all
pliant violet
I saw a Brick Break on it once
gotta kill those ice types
manic kindle
Going back to early climbing arguments, getting to master in the first few days was easier because i was able to look at the pool of pokemon and past pools and know who was good out of the gate
arctic dagger
Oh, I also saw a Stomping Tantrum instead of EQ on a team that wasn't good at blocking a friendly EQ
pliant violet
I think moves 3 and 4 on a pokemon after stab are the most interesting ones, in particular any utility status moves
manic kindle
Like ofc sneasler and Incineroar are quality guys, and weather setters are key, and it went from there
pliant violet
Oh, I also saw a Stomping Tantrum instead of EQ on a team that wasn't good at bl...
oh yeah that's fairly common
arctic dagger
Yeah I haven't kitted out a garchomp either, WOW Garchomp's moveset in champs is super limited
I'm not shocked to see it mostly scarfed, I feel like they got rid of a ton of its utility stuff
pliant violet
Going back to early climbing arguments, getting to master in the first few days ...
yeah that's fair, I went a similar route, using TR knowing how good that is in a bo1 format
I think having a build goal at all early probably helped
obtuse ravine
bo1 is scary, it feels a bit harder to condition and mindgame people
arctic dagger
Yeah, I knew I wanted to run sand for instance
obtuse ravine
less chances to poke people and feel the vibes
wild prairie
Oh hey Starmie only needs 20 speed EVs to outrun Garchomp and Ice Beam is a guaranteed OHKO without Sand 👀
pliant violet
bo1 is very scary and prone to abuse by like, one trick strategies
arctic dagger
So I was going Ttar/excadrill a lot to start, before I dropped Excadrill mostly in favor of having sand MOSTLY just be to fuck with other weather users.
wild prairie
The calcs are looking good
obtuse ravine
bo1 is very scary and prone to abuse by like, one trick strategies
🙂↕️
pliant violet
Oh hey Starmie only needs 20 speed EVs to outrun Garchomp and Ice Beam is a guar...
remember chomp is probably running scarf
pliant violet
bo1 is very scary and prone to abuse by like, one trick strategies
hello yes it's me, the guy with one nasty trick
pliant violet
I had that on hydrapple for a bit actually
obtuse ravine
worm
obtuse ravine
i have a farigiraf now too, but i hear TR teams are tough to pilot
wild prairie
remember chomp is probably running scarf
My Starmie will also be Scarfed
pliant violet
TR is tough to pilot in that you're working with a limited time frame
pliant violet
My Starmie will also be Scarfed
wonderful
arctic dagger
Atm I'm going Ttar/HisArc/Aero/Mamo/Aegislash and have been switching around my 6th a lot.
I've been thinking about going mega Go or mega Aggron and making Ttar non-Mega
Or Mega Glim
6th is usually a special attacker
obtuse ravine
TR is tough to pilot in that you're working with a limited time frame
yeye, my friend said you have to really make the most out of each turn
pliant violet
I'm not sure it's actually any harder to pilot than any other hyper offence team abusing weather or tailwind, the thing that makes it seem harder, I think, is if TR runs out you're a lot more immediately punished than most since you're by very nature running slow pokemon mostly
obtuse ravine
especially if they have protects n stuff
obtuse ravine
I'm not sure it's actually any harder to pilot than any other hyper offence team...
mm i see
pliant violet
also weirdly most good slow pokemon are special attackers which means little intimidation threat but also problems with special walls
luckily we have the king, the king
also incin
manic kindle
6th is usually a special attacker
Mega Vena slots in nicely here too i think
arctic dagger
That's a nice call, I'll think about it
We're starting to see weather less almost EVERY SINGLE MATCH I feel like
So the mega ttar is feeling less necessary
I definitely prefer more bulky strategies, I'm sure you can tell from the mon choices
I've always liked Mega Venusaur XD
manic kindle
I think rn he's in a great spot; set ive been testing in sand is Giga, Sludge, Leech and Protect
Mixed bulk
arctic dagger
I'm in general a bit weak to fighting types but the Aero has been able to just completely destroy sneasler so I mostly haven't had to worry about it
And I can switch into Aegislash to ignroe it too
Yeah I think I don't have a venusaur atm, but that does sound REALLY appealing...
pliant violet
oh we also know when more pokemon will be available, if anyone missed it
june 16th
arctic dagger
3 months is a nice period for a pokemon meta IMO
Have they said if they're rotating stuff in and out, or just adding?
pliant violet
not sure, that's just when regulation M-A ends
arctic dagger
kk
pliant violet
I didn't realised they buffed spirit shackle, decidueye's sign move, to 90bp
obtuse ravine
then we have M-B, and then after that is a whole new regulation iirc? i think i read the roadmap in the in-game news
wonder if they'll swap the gimmick every big regulation change
pliant violet
3 months is a nice period for a pokemon meta IMO
I agree, depending how much it changes
yee something like that
arctic dagger
I kinda hope we stay on megas for a bit at least, I'd like to see at least the rest of the ZA megas
pliant violet
I'm imagining they'll be in M-B
arctic dagger
Have we heard anything about when it'll be on mobile?
arctic dagger
Kk
It's supposed to be sometime this year IIRC
So I figure we have to hear sometime soonish on when unless they just shadow drop it
pliant violet
so M-A consists of seasons M-1 and M-2, then becomes regulation M-B
pliant violet
It's supposed to be sometime this year IIRC
I'd heard summer but whether that's northern or southern hemisphere who knows
arctic dagger
I'd assume northern just because Waves at Japan
pliant violet
sure but I don't remember the source
pliant violet
yeah that's something I'm really looking forward to
smashing out a game or team building on lunch break
obtuse ravine
yesyes
arctic dagger
Yeah
manic kindle
Mobile access to the Battle Data tab will be nice
pliant violet
I think rn he's in a great spot; set ive been testing in sand is Giga, Sludge, L...
I think the main reason I haven't seen mega venu as much is it's the opportunity cost of mega and the fact it serves basically a counter purpose to it's base form
arctic dagger
God I hope they make the UI better
They probably won't, it's not like Home has gotten better UI over time really
But there are parts of the UI that are just
You just need to know
pliant violet
I think most of the tutorial stuff was good, but like, type tickets weren't touched on at all
I think I need to have a sit down over the weekend and do some proper analysis on the flaws and strengths of my team
obtuse ravine
the quick menu is quite nice to have
especially with how sticky the menus can feel at times
pliant violet
ye
obtuse ravine
i didn’t know that you could back out of the pokemon recruitment to go to your box before selecting
snow wren
Type tickets?
snow wren
I'd heard summer but whether that's northern or southern hemisphere who knows
I heard June
pliant violet
so some achievements give type tickets, so when you go to do a pull you can press x on the screen before you actually pull the 10, and it lets you use a ticket if you have one, which increases the likelihood of pulling the type on the ticket
wild prairie
Achievements for using moves of a certain type a certain number of times give tickets of that type
pliant violet
ye
snow wren
Hate low accuracy rock moves
glossy umbra
Low accuracy moves in general are the worst
manic kindle
not sure which one hurts me more
missing the game-winning 70% accurate Focus Blast
or missing the game-winning 95% accurate Icy Wind
arctic dagger
I think personally it's missing the heat wave
It's why I won't run Charizard or Delphox lmao
manic kindle
heat wave is a big one
esp when you can just angle for Eruption shenanigans for fire stuff
quiet galleon
A lot of people are running triple axel as coverage and its like 80% chance of being a good move
Not even that. 72.9%
Like getting chip when it does less hits isnt nothing but I feel like if it actually said 75% on the move screen no one would run it
Idk I guess people try focus blast
quiet galleon
I did realise the issue with thunder punch on lopunny though is that it hits pelipper and literally nothing else. Its also better than cc against like charizard? But it doesnt do much damage. Close combat is just that crazy
wild prairie
Idk I guess people try focus blast
Focus Blast is for things that have no choice but to run it ime.
If Alakazam had any better way to deal with Dark and Steel types Focus Blast would be gone forever
quiet galleon
Yeah for sure
Like when its a hail mary to just not lose and you can spare the move slot why not
languid lichen
eh, at least in singles focus blast is what you run even when you have aura sphere
big ol 120 bp
arctic dagger
70% chance to one shot is usually better than 100% chance to 2hko
But doubles makes the math complicated because if your ally is also attacking...
manic kindle
yeah, sometimes reliable damage is just better for the one-two
its part of the fun for me, to figure that out
snow wren
I wonder how champions will do mystic pokemon like darkrai and marshadow when they get added
arctic dagger
Probably the same way every other Pokemon is
pliant violet
I don’t know if this is known but I assume every pokemon has the same pull rate
soft isleBOT
The Pokemon company must hate bunnies 😔
pliant violet
No way, mega lopunny is in the game
It has good matchups into kingambit and incin which is important
arctic dagger
She's in the awkward position of being too fast lmao
snow wren
how are stuff exclusive to battle passes, such as embortite and certain clothes/hair, going to work in the future? or are they just permanently behind a lock
pliant violet
I’m pretty sure those mega stones are purchasable in the shop anyway
arctic dagger
I think they said you'll be able to get them normally after it's over?
pliant violet
Now
pliant violet
She's in the awkward position of being too fast lmao
Too fast? As a weather setter you mean?
arctic dagger
Yeah
manic kindle
Which has not been as good as I was expecting
I think the better Froslass teams dont lead w her / dont build her as a Snow team
pliant violet
perhaps
manic kindle
There is always a boon to having a fast and hearty Blizzard imo, and ghost typing is a boon
🤔 I think she'll be one of the threats you see more as sand waxes n wanes
obtuse ravine
i lost a match because i forgot that i had choice scarf on my garchomp 😔
obtuse ravine
i lost a match because i forgot that i had choice scarf on my garchomp 😔
poison jab into mamoswine doesn't work
pliant violet
probably more wanes than waxes
languid lichen
chomp into mamo isn't exactly nice and clean even if you're not scarfed
it's got pretty respectable phys bulk and the 130 atk quad eff ice shard
pliant violet
liquidation chomp
languid lichen
fucked up that it doesn't get aqua tail anymore
liq is a way better move, but aqua tail just feels right
pliant violet
I mean, forced switch on a fast attacker is not nothing
languid lichen
yh but the aforementioned ice shard is going to hit you like the fist of god
pliant violet
truke
arctic dagger
Yeah I've really been liking Mamo on my sand team
It wins the sand mirrors super hard a lot of the time
manic kindle
Whats your mamo set?
arctic dagger
Shard, Avalanche, tantrum, knock off, herb atm
I've done spear instead of avalanche, it's kinda MU dependent?
That's with Thick Fat, I've thought about something like scarf and oblivious instead?
But usually I think scarf and leftovers are better elsewhere on my team
Which were the main things I was thinking about for other items
snow wren
mamo is solid, does what I was trying to have torterra do so much better
pliant violet
I love the opportunity cost push and pull that exists with so many items
snow wren
and then only one mega activation
pliant violet
a little frustrating for keeping some pokemon in a rough spot
arctic dagger
If there were multiple choice items a lot of stuff would be much more clear
Like I'd probably band mamo
snow wren
so having multiple mega options keeps you less limited but leaves those mons a bit more restricted
my mamo doesn't have the right movelist to band him, I'll probably get permanent for one of either him or gliscor
arctic dagger
I mean band isn't in the game so
Oh, and high horsepower vs stomping tantrum is a reasonable choice
But I've found Mamo gets fake out'd a lot
pliant violet
a little frustrating for keeping some pokemon in a rough spot
hydrapple loves assault vest for example
snow wren
choice band is in? I've got it on my torterra
arctic dagger
It is?? WHY AM I NOT USING IT
pliant violet
choice scarf is, I don't think band is
arctic dagger
Don't mind me, just feeling dumb now. I thought Scarf was the only choice item was in
It's not on the list of items at least on serebii?
snow wren
there's multiple choice items?
arctic dagger
And I don't have my switch on me atm
Yeah
Band makes attacks stronger, scarf makes you faster, specs makes special attacks stronger
Band is 50% attack, specs is 50% spatk, scarf is 50% speed
But of the 3, only scarf is in Champions
Which is honestly probably good for the meta, I dislike when things 1shot eahc other even more
XD
Assault Vest is a much more interesting limited item
pliant violet
yeah, wish it was in
arctic dagger
I am happy to not feel as dumb lmao
I was going to be SO pissed at myself if somehow band was in and I just didn't realize it
arctic dagger
Letrs gooooo
arctic dagger
IMO that's the sign of a good weather team right now, is if it doesn't need it
pliant violet
it is an important skill to be able to recognise that
arctic dagger
I usually end up running sand regardless with my sand team, but like, it's not a huge part of the team, it's just generally pretty helpful.
obtuse ravine
for the first match, i sent out both of my rock sliders and flinched their gyarados 3 times into a forfeit, and the 2nd was a mega lopunny Triple Axeling mega dragonite, then protecting it from sneasler and Dual Wingbeating the sneasler
pliant violet
pliant violet
https://youtube.com/shorts/YbO5eq3cVUM?si=2ghvfNPKh-ThnSbu I don't recall who was fucking around with psyspam but here you go
wild prairie
Unfortunately using Mega Delphox would mean not using Mega Alakazam, and the whole reason I'm doing psyspam is because MZam is my #1 blorbo
pliant violet
fair enough
glossy umbra
Thinking about how Ange Floette sounds like a cutesy version of Angry Floette
pliant violet
you got this
pliant violet
having fun?
fickle thicket
ultra ball tier
not even balling
pliant violet
are you playing rich?
pliant violet
it's more fun than you'd think but more power to you
fickle thicket
I hear it's good so that's good, but otherwise I don't have much to say about it anyway
fickle thicket
it's more fun than you'd think but more power to you
I like multiplayer games with friends but not with strangers. It just doesn't appeal to me at all
obtuse ravine
are you playing rich?
yes
fickle thicket
ay
obtuse ravine
>ultra ball tier
>not even balling
i'm weather balling
fickle thicket
based
pliant violet
on that rain team?
obtuse ravine
mhm
replaced surf on pelipper with it
also it exploded a sinistcha when they sent ou their torkoal
who scovillian
haven't seen this one before
it looks like that one dog ish dragon pokemon (??)
with 2 heads
pliant violet
yee, grass fire, has a mega that burns whatever hits it
pliant violet
with 2 heads
zweilous, evo of deino, form before hydreigon
obtuse ravine
yesyes
pliant violet
remember, burn halves the power of physical attacks
obtuse ravine
i did not know that
fuuuck
ok
then my garchomp cannot hit spreads
we poison jab
pliant violet
yes so you're best using special attackers into it
it will probably use rage powder
to redirect into it
fickle thicket
it burns through substitute and also when scovillain faints
obtuse ravine
that's ok meganium will be fine
pliant violet
grass pokemon are immune to rage powder, there's an item that stops rage powder but it's not in champions
obtuse ravine
it did not rage powder
fickle thicket
not gonna sugarcoat it, 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
pliant violet
luckily it is not very bulky
obtuse ravine
it flamethrowered and did about 40% to meganium
fickle thicket
I wish more megas had wacky signature abilities
pliant violet
mega meganium
obtuse ravine
it flamethrowered and did about 40% to meganium
ohh because my rain is still up
pliant violet
it's not a super interesting ability but I like the dichotomy between regular and mega venusaur
clorophyll on regular making it fast sun threat with sleep powder, thick fat on mega meaning you run it as this wall of a tank with a load of recovery
a lot of the weird teams you'll see are the result of a content creator making a video about a team
obtuse ravine
ooof, triple axeling garchomp is expensive but probably worth it
fickle thicket
I wish *more* had them
there's like five, and that's counting both aerilate megas since nothing but them has it
pliant violet
are you counting the gatr?
fickle thicket
yes
pliant violet
ooof, triple axeling garchomp is expensive but probably worth it
rough skin gonna rough skin
pliant violet
I personally don't think megas need to have unique abilities but I do like when the abilities are fun
manic kindle
truly i think you should dip your hands into the vgc meta to see how wide the mega ability range really is
pliant violet
idk what mega floette does
big special attack stat, relatively fast, has an ability that boosts all fairy type moves by 1.33x (all includes yours), very high power single target signature move with recoil and 90 acc
manic kindle
i think its easy to outside-in 'i wish x pokemon was y' but really its pretty diverse and forces a lot of big decisions in teambuilding and in play
pliant violet
defense drop doesn't matter if you're already fragile anyway
fickle thicket
M-Kangaskhan Parental Bond, M-Pinsir and M-Salamence Aerilate, M-Rayquaza Delta Stream, M-Meganium Mega Sol, M-Feraligart Dragonize, M-Excadrill Piercing Drill, M-Scovillain Spicy Spray, that's 7
obtuse ravine
ooh that's scary
pliant violet
I think unseen fist and fairy aura get their owners on that list
obtuse ravine
archaludon and water tauros on the enemy team with no rain setter
wonder if they're just gonna make me not bring my pelipper but i think they're not gonna bring em
pliant violet
archaludon and water tauros on the enemy team with no rain setter
no drizzle pokemon, remember there's a rain setting move
fickle thicket
I personally don't think megas need to have unique abilities but I do like when ...
I don't think they need them either, it'd probably detrimental because abilities like that tend to be pretty good so doing too much of that would probably make megas too centralizing? but I'd like it anyway. Makes them seem more special to me.
obtuse ravine
you might be onto something reggie
timber vale
pliant violet
you might be onto something reggie
in the case of a pokemon setting weather manually you'd usually be looking at some sort of fast support pokemon or something with prankster
manual setting has the downside of costing a moveslot and a pokemon's turn, but the upside of happening after weather setting abilities
and also the choice to not set if you don't want to
obtuse ravine
mhm
pliant violet
I suspect they probably have water tauros for the intim
otherwise basculegion fills that slot better imo
pliant violet
https://youtu.be/trJRSdH2uAk
hey I shared something from this person earlier
timber vale
Neato
pliant violet
timber vale
Cook up something sicknasty
I need to make a Mega Charizard X team
manic kindle
I suspect they probably have water tauros for the intim
intimidate and good fighting stab
timber vale
I love my edgy blue fire dragon
pliant violet
Cook up something sicknasty
there are many options out there, unexplored even
manic kindle
Charizard X anti meta teams are on the rise rn
timber vale
Hrmmm... what does mega Charizard X struggle with...
manic kindle
and example team i have in my bookmarks
pliant violet
x gets to DD and fire and dragon covers a lot of things well
timber vale
Hrmmm
obtuse ravine
they sent out mega meganium, i'm gonna switch out my garchomp and poison jab it
pliant violet
my worry with icy wind milotic is the menacing chess piece
timber vale
Breaking Swipe... that might go nicely because spread?
manic kindle
dragon dance + speed support is just real nice
timber vale
Probably redirection and/or speed support to keep the heat off Charizard...
manic kindle
Breaking Swipe is nice but its going to always be better on a defensive pokemon you dont expect to do damage
whereas Char-X just wants those juicy damage numbers
pliant violet
or a technician pokemon
timber vale
Fair, I was just thinking because it's spread, right?
timber vale
or a technician pokemon
Wait breaking swipe is 60?? Damn
pliant violet
you can have single target moves if you expect them to kill or do enough that spread chips them out
manic kindle
the spread move damage reduction is rough with 60bp
pliant violet
spread you can mostly just rely on for chip or consistent value
manic kindle
or its just so high in bp anyways like Hyper Voice and Eruption
timber vale
you can have single target moves if you expect them to kill or do enough that sp...
Fair, that makes sense
Hrmmm
Maybe Milotic and Charizard
Discourage intimdate, speed support, all that?
pliant violet
even in the case of hyper voice it can be rough unless you're upping the power a bit more
timber vale
Maybe Milotic and Charizard
Discourage intimdate, speed support, all that?
That's probably already a thing but also I don't need to re-invent the wheel
pliant violet
Maybe Milotic and Charizard
Discourage intimdate, speed support, all that?
fun pairing, good logic
eruption is the goat spread move it's true though
manic kindle
and example team i have in my bookmarks
notably a winning pairing as seen here
timber vale
Maybe Milotic and Charizard
Discourage intimdate, speed support, all that?
Especially since a lot of the premier intimidators are weak to Milotic aiui
pliant violet
eruption is the goat spread move it's true though
so good it's made at least one pokemon viable, sorta 2
timber vale
Especially since a lot of the premier intimidators are weak to Milotic aiui
Now I need to figure out the other 4 slots
Something to counter sand teams, most likely... even if not a weather team I'd like to be able to fight that
pliant violet
so your two options are what synergy in the team do you want to promote or what threats do you want to check
or at least, that's how I go about design
timber vale
Maybe Sinistcha? To keep Charizard topped up even as it flare blitzes, also a grass type to further hit rock and ground
manic kindle
sand doesnt like good strong Fighting stab
pliant violet
sinistcha is good for a bunch of reasons and then you've also got a fire water grass core
timber vale
sinistcha is good for a bunch of reasons and then you've also got a fire water g...
Mhm
pliant violet
you could also go venusaur to trick folks into thinking you're a sun team
timber vale
True...
I think also maybe Lucario? Would go against fairy types, gives me fighting stab...
Physical, because sand gives rocks Sp. Def, I think
manic kindle
from some of the data sites i see a lot of Milotic, Sneasler, Sinistcha, Incineroar as partners
makes sense; a Competitive water partner with speed control, the best fighting type in the game, the best healer, and The Cat
timber vale
Physical, because sand gives rocks Sp. Def, I think
Close combat, .....mmmeeteor mash? Swords dance... life dew? Is life dew absurd?
timber vale
makes sense; a Competitive water partner with speed control, the best fighting t...
That does make sense but I I wanna do my own team with mons I personally like
manic kindle
Oh, sure; its just good to see what works and map that to your own choices.
timber vale
I want to minimize incin use because I just don't like how he looks
manic kindle
There's a reason these mons work after all!
timber vale
Close combat, .....mmmeeteor mash? Swords dance... life dew? Is life dew absurd?
And then, speed control helps with Lucario's base 90 speed
obtuse ravine
can you get rid of paralysis?
timber vale
And then, speed control helps with Lucario's base 90 speed
Milotic also helps keep Lucario safe from intimidate to some extent
obtuse ravine
oop- gotta remember that kingambit has sucker punch D:
pliant violet
can you get rid of paralysis?
lum berry, the anti-paralysis berry, some abilities, that's about it iirc
pliant violet
oop- gotta remember that kingambit has sucker punch D:
yep, makes up for being incredibly slow
pliant violet
and makes it for one of the strongest endgame finishing mons
obtuse ravine
dang... if my basculegion protected this would've been it
ah well
can't win em all
manic kindle
lmaooo parental bond is so funny
snow wren
Come to think gliscor has good type matchups against both sneasler abd incineraor
manic kindle
dual wingbeat and high horsepower are nice tricks, and hyper cutter helps with incin
arctic dagger
From the singles perspective it's so funny having people consider running anything but poison heal ever
But also poison orb isn't in the game I think either so
quiet galleon
Just uhh
Skill swap magic bounce set toxic spikes on your own field and then switch gliscor in :)
red rampart
red rampart
manic kindle
poison heal is so so good, but sometimes 'i eat intimidate' is all you need
glossy umbra
luckily it is not very bulky
Sadly 
Man I would've loved to abuse a bulky version of it.
glossy umbra
https://bsky.app/profile/dietranch.bsky.social/post/3mk77afdqok2o
Technically a win for a short queen
snow wren
Membership gives you 1000 box slots but its subscription, do you just loose your mons if you stop paying
mellow robin
timber vale
hrmmmm.....
quiet galleon
azure crane
This too is yuri.
arctic dagger
LMAOOOO
manic kindle
Glass cannon archaludon feels so nice
Go my steel beam
Phew 8 game win streak puts pressure on ya
manic kindle
Also the new Champions special roster is really really good, probs better for new player pulls
Literally just really good pokemon and a smaller pool is better odds
pliant violet
Special roster?
snow wren
Doubles feels like such a harder beat than singles
manic kindle
Yeah, second smaller gacha pool
pliant violet
Yeah, second smaller gacha pool
Got a link?
snow wren
I got to ultra ball easily with mons like torterra in singles, meanwhile my trick room team is struggling in poke all team
pliant violet
To an announcement or anything
manic kindle
Ye its on serebii and live rn one sec
snow wren
Strange that mega abomasnow doesn’t seem to be in, can’t find his mega stone in the shop
pliant violet
I got to ultra ball easily with mons like torterra in singles, meanwhile my tric...
It could also just be unfamiliarity with ways to play
pliant violet
Strange that mega abomasnow doesn’t seem to be in, can’t find his mega stone in ...
Pretty sure it’s one of the stones you have from the start
manic kindle
Its a tutorial reward one iirc
pliant violet
Ahh makes sense
Also just like, teams that work in singles don’t necessarily work in doubles
snow wren
It could also just be unfamiliarity with ways to play
The singles players definitely feel like they’re bringing much less cohesive teams, myself included
snow wren
Its a tutorial reward one iirc
I’ve missed that
I also keep ending up in matchups where my opponents use trick room better than me
Need to figure out how to play around torkaol, sneasler has rain dance and abomasnow has snow warning but abom is undersped and blown up while rain dance needs to be a hard read
manic kindle
Id love to see the data on active singles vs doubles players
obtuse ravine
trick room is so scary
especially with farigiraf + incin lead, my friend played that against me a few times and my current team doesn't have a way to ko farigiraf with only 1 action
i don't think..
especially since one can get faked out
languid lichen
...is tinkaton in champs?
manic kindle
Yep!
languid lichen
in that case
guess which mon has mold breaker and fake out?
and also way more base speed than incin
manic kindle
My real advice is that sometimes you gotta accept you will be in trick room and you just gotta play it out
snow wren
I’ve been using mimikyu as my setter since I love that mon
manic kindle
And non-prankster weather setting is rough in trick room conditions
snow wren
And avoiding incin because they’re just so strong, especially since I’m already using sneasler and basculegion, im getting carried by op mons already
manic kindle
Theres no shame in using the good pokemon
snow wren
It just takes away so much interesting team building when Theres mons that win you the game just by putting in
manic kindle
You still gotta use them! Just adding the 6 best guys does nothing, you gotta be able to pilot them
snow wren
How is gliscor into incin opener? Meaning to try it
pliant violet
Need to figure out how to play around torkaol, sneasler has rain dance and aboma...
Torkoal really doesn’t like getting hit with fakeout or priority
snow wren
Problem is hitting hard enough to take them out
Love you Mimi but shadowsneak doesn’t cut it
pliant violet
You still gotta use them! Just adding the 6 best guys does nothing, you gotta be...
And also the 6 best guys don’t actually work together that well, there’s too much overlap
snow wren
I’ve been underwhelmed by mega golurk too
snow wren
And also the 6 best guys don’t actually work together that well, there’s too muc...
Incin, basc, sneasler
My phone is die
pliant violet
Basc doesn’t add much there
To be honest TR teams don’t really need a mega imo but something like mega crab is good
manic kindle
Win streak lost but im really loving this loadout rn
pliant violet
When they give me mega golisopod it’s gonna be so over
languid lichen
is base goli in?
pliant violet
No
manic kindle
Its just a smaller selection from the current 300
But its a nice batch
Lots of relevant meta weather guys
pliant violet
It’s a focussed subset of the existing roster
manic kindle
Free tip to all of you so you dont lose to teams like mine:
Rage Powder doesnt work on Meganium
pliant violet
Or Hydrapple but idk that I’ve seen a single other person running the wyrms
pliant violet
Thank you, I am too obviously
Being immune to rage power and sleep powder and spore is a uniquely useful thing but it’d be more worthwhile if amoongus was around
versed sand
First roll on the new banner and I finally get a goddamn Pelipper lol
I was getting attached to Politoed, though
manic kindle
manic kindle
Now i might have to fight your bestie
obtuse ravine
perhaps..
pliant violet
Same
manic kindle
Im winning more than im losing, i think before season ends i can attain my goal of a 1900 rating
pliant violet
I’d like to hit master 1
versed sand
Still stuck at great
pliant violet
Ty Ty
obtuse ravine
oh my goooood
someone has sandaconda and ttar, I overrode with pelipper, and then bright powder saved it from my solar beam
this is so funny
pliant violet
What a confused team
obtuse ravine
no sorry
pliant violet
Cannot counter their plan before they do
snow wren
Where do you find mega abomasnow? I’m looking in the menus but can’t find it
versed sand
Pelipper is pretty great. Wide Guard sure undermines a lot of strats.
pliant violet
Where do you find mega abomasnow? I’m looking in the menus but can’t find it
Training iirc, the tutorials
obtuse ravine
i took out ttar and klefki who were doing the sand, and then i had weather control for hurricane, and aerodactyl took care of sinistcha
snow wren
Thanks
pliant violet
It’s worth doing the tutorials, so many free resources
snow wren
I just ignored them since I figured I knew all I needed to
pliant violet
You possibly do but they have so many free rewards
manic kindle
So many goodies
manic kindle
i took out ttar and klefki who were doing the sand, and then i had weather contr...
Hows it feel to grow more powerful by the day
pliant violet
I think it’s fair to say, so far, that the game is very lenient f2p
pliant violet
Need that holy hand grenade to stand a chance
What one, non restricted, pokemon could you drop into champions to create an interesting meta game shift
I think amoongus is up there
obtuse ravine
just swinging around in the confines of ultra 1 tonight, but good progress even making it there today
pliant violet
Royal shit
manic kindle
What one, non restricted, pokemon could you drop into champions to create an int...
Indeedee
Rillaboom too
manic kindle
I think it was smart to keep all the terrain setters out for the start
And i think they'd have the most immediate impact at all levels
Rillaboom would let people build the tried and true Balance teams, and Indeedee brings psyspam and generally nice support
pliant violet
Amoongus brings something the game doesn’t have in support and spore
snow wren
amoogus is fun
would love to get one, wonder when we'll see new mons added, unfortunately it'll probably just centralize the meta more rather than diversify
Mons that check sneasler and incin woukd be appreciated though
pliant violet
would love to get one, wonder when we'll see new mons added, unfortunately it'll...
In 2 months or so when we’re in M-B probably
snow wren
M-B?
pliant violet
Next regulation
Since if they introduced new pokemon during the current regulation they wouldn’t be legal
Whether next reg will be additive or replace current is a real question
snow wren
Wouldn’t t be against ranked having limited while casual is full dex
pliant violet
yeah I'm not sure what they're gonna do, there's a few fun angles
I personally like these lower power formats but some folks absolutely wanna be throwing down with restricted pokemon
but also a format where I can justify using something like grafaiai, so even lower power (or lacking specific usual niche coverers), would be great
manic kindle
Very eager to see them get weird with it
snow wren
I like the idea of different formats with different Mon restrictions but limited box size really hinders that
manic kindle
I cant speak for anyone else but i got a membership
pliant violet
I spent the 10 bucks or whatever for the beginner pack
obtuse ravine
Rillaboom would let people build the tried and true Balance teams, and Indeedee ...
Balance teams?
arctic dagger
Not super aggressive, not stall
Atm the champions meta is... Very fast.
Doubles is usually fast, but this feels like there's almost no great defensive threats in the game
IDK, there's some, but it's rough lmao
arctic dagger
Agreed with that.
timber vale
I find slightly more aggro metas to be fun, but like, not super aggro
arctic dagger
There's not a lot of 1shots outside of like, Sneasler and hitting weaknesses, which is nice tho'
pliant violet
I'm often hitting oneshots
arctic dagger
Vs things that aren't weak to your moves?
pliant violet
why am I not using super effective moves
pliant violet
also I'm in TR so I get to abuse massive stats
but yeah there's a decent bit of chipping
arctic dagger
Yeah, that's what I like to see.
obtuse ravine
trying to figure out stat spread for incin now
arctic dagger
I think it's usually HP + atk?
obtuse ravine
replacing sneasler who replaced lopunny on my rain-ish team
obtuse ravine
I think it's usually HP + atk?
arctic dagger
Incin in rain feels really scary if you plan to bring it and rain
obtuse ravine
wondering if we're gonna give him any physical bulk
pliant violet
depends what you need incin for
pliant violet
As the intimidate pokemon in rain
gyarados also gets to bring more utility
pliant violet
I'm winning a game because an opponent switched in a gyarados into my kingambit
obtuse ravine
gonna build it tmrw
arctic dagger
I thought I remembered you running Meganium?
Meganium just slams a weather ball into whims and solar beams sand
pliant violet
as much as I don't like megas, mega formats are kinda beginner friendly by having clear build arounds
timber vale
Gyarados is hilariously flexible
Doesn't it get t-wave
arctic dagger
Yep
pliant violet
also gets eq
arctic dagger
Usually I seee something like Waterfall/EQ/Protect/Flex
Twave, Taunt, Swagger, shit I've seen Muddy Water and Icy Wind
Even though its special isn't super great
Just for the utility
pliant violet
and any of those are good because it's fast
obtuse ravine
Meganium just slams a weather ball into whims and solar beams sand
hmm yea..
that is true
will consider those, ty all
but that’s for tomorrow
arctic dagger
Also a note that I think usually you don't want to entry contest sand
obtuse ravine
🥱
arctic dagger
They'll be slower than you and also slam mega Ttar sometimes
obtuse ravine
entry contest?
arctic dagger
Uhhhh, don't put Pelipper in the front
It's faster than Ttar
So it'll set rain and then ttar sets sand
You want pelipper in the back
obtuse ravine
i see i see
pliant violet
lead is the usual term
manic kindle
trying to figure out stat spread for incin now
Im on 32 hp, 14 atk, 18 sp def, 2 speed
+spdef -spatk nature
W moves fake out, parting shot, flare blitz, throat chop
pliant violet
chop over lariat?
manic kindle
Cutting off hyper voice is niche but very nice
snow wren
Man serperior just had the worst coverage
Literally no non grass special moves other than dragon pulse
pliant violet
doesn't it get draco meteor?
snow wren
Trying hard to use them but they are walled by anything that resists grass so easily
pliant violet
Only dragon-types get that.
should be dragon type too
timber vale
Contrary with leaf storm and draco meteor would be batshit
pliant violet
technically it gets one more non-grass special move but like, it's round
pliant violet
scaleshot serperior in trickroom
languid lichen
with fucking glare
pliant violet
negative speed nature
snow wren
Torterra did more work
umbral hound
Serperior's biggest Thing it can do is Contrary Leaf Storm. Or Contrary Tera Stellar Tera Blast I guess.
pliant violet
it's too well rounded
snow wren
Issue is that tgats the only thing it can do unfortunately
pliant violet
tbf what is surviving two leaf storms
umbral hound
Amoongus, probably?
pliant violet
not in champions, thank god
snow wren
Corviknight
umbral hound
Isn't the entire gimmick of Champions that it has every mon?
languid lichen
no
umbral hound
Wasn't that the big selling point which they made up for by not having all the held items?
...oh, alright then.
Hm. Venusaur then.
pliant violet
not at all the selling point
the selling point being it's entirely competitive focussed with lots of quality of life and ease of access for that
umbral hound
Or Hisuian Goodra probably. Or Corviknight. Or Heatran. Or anything with Sap Sipper. Or Moltres, probably.
pliant violet
only the first two in champions
well some sap sipper mons, but idk if anything is using it'
snow wren
Serperior should have dazzling gleam
umbral hound
Farigiraf sometimes runs Sap Sipper to be quirky I think?
pliant violet
it can, I just think that's always worse
snow wren
Gliscor is also struggling to do work oddly enough
pliant violet
gliscor has historically had trouble in doublles
umbral hound
Yeah, Gliscor's been best at walling one target and toxic stalling and slowly healing off of Poison Heal. But that doesn't work when you can be doubled into.
or ignored and target the thing to the side. You don't need a pivot.
snow wren
I’m doing singles right now
umbral hound
Huh, alright.
snow wren
Got nuked by crit Draco meteor last time we went out
pliant violet
Yeah, Gliscor's been best at walling one target and toxic stalling and slowly he...
doesn't help no toxic orb atm
umbral hound
Ah.
manic kindle
Currently gliscor's niche is being intimidate immune tailwind guy in doubles
W earthquake immunity
umbral hound
...do we not have Murkrow?
manic kindle
No
pliant violet
nope, no honchcrow and the only not fully evolved pokemon atm is pikachu
pliant violet
there's two priority tailwind setters atm in whimsicott and talonflame
whims is better utility imo but talonflame lets you do silly damage
manic kindle
https://www.pokemon-zone.com/champions/pokemon/ gives a good idea on who is in of the 322 options
snow wren
Mega Grenon a just swept ugh
pliant violet
seeing dragapult so low is shockig
manic kindle
Dragapult just lacks a good use for his niche rn
snow wren
Even if things dont survive leafsstorm tge speed of serperior is an issue
manic kindle
His main cool trick is lightning fast Psychic Fangs but aurora veil froslass is less popular now
You could try using a Sticky Webs lead, if this is Singles
pliant violet
lack of good physical ghost type moves too
murdoc do you have an opinion on hydrapple grass stab?
snow wren
Mega gardevoir does work
manic kindle
murdoc do you have an opinion on hydrapple grass stab?
The choices are leaf storm, giga drain, and energy ball?
snow wren
Yeah unfortunately I can’t see serp sticking
pliant violet
basically yea
manic kindle
My gut says leaf storm is best for guaranteed kills and roundabout regenerator synergy
pliant violet
I've been on giga drain since I've got leftovers on hydrapple and it's so bulky
the best kind of sustain is kos though, it's true
manic kindle
Do you miss out on close kills?
pliant violet
ehh, not super often
manic kindle
Longevity is really nice when you can leverage it
snow wren
Should’ve gone to bed earlier and not stewed in my losing streak
I wondered if hawlucha could serve as a counter to sneasler and no it can’t, outsped while also unable to ohko
pliant violet
https://youtu.be/E_64rNCxqhE?si=CXpeVpXgJ8LIE9MF cool design exercise thing from pokemon close combat guy
another one for lokix exists
earnest nacelle
Ledian's Revenge
azure crane
Does Lokix need one? Despite having modest Attack and Speed and poor everything else, it's got a niche.
Tinted Lens, max Attack and Speed, First Impression/Sucker Punch/Knock Off/U-Turn.
earnest nacelle
How Tinted Lens isn't restricted in AAA is beyond me
languid lichen
it's not super far from it, because its STAB, as you mentioned, is fantastic
azure crane
Because it only gets you up to parity.
languid lichen
TL is good for neutral wallbreakers, yeah
it's great for luring resist-based checks
but doesn't do anything to help you with something like "this man has intimidate and 700 effective phys bulk"
timber vale
Tinted lens will also not be getting you much against a 4x resist most of the time
languid lichen
where things like sheer force, tough claws, or desolate land are actively giving you that extra impact you need
you don't really put TL on things that get 4x walled a ton
earnest nacelle
Wait Desolate Land isn't restricted???
pliant violet
Does Lokix need one? Despite having modest Attack and Speed and poor everything ...
need one what?
earnest nacelle
WTF
languid lichen
historically you put it on like
eruption users or banded CC mons with a good secondary stab
quiet galleon
I did a 5 win streak with mega lopunny 🥳 (in master 4) (its over now 😭 )
pliant violet
we could face off at any time
quiet galleon
Im just trying to get to master 3 which was my peak with ttar
Mega glalie explosion huh
timber vale
Wait *Desolate Land* isn't restricted???
It's only a sun boost + water immunity, and only for that mon
timber vale
Primordial Sea is also not restricted
languid lichen
steel types with flash fire are pretty good
and primordial sea is also pretty good
(deso is broadly better though)
(but similarly, it's more prepped for and as such has more counterplay)
timber vale
Primordial Sea is also not restricted
One of the main abilities on corviknight iirc though usually I run well-baked body
azure crane
Yeah, the regular weather summoners are better because other members of your team can use them.
languid lichen
ehhhhhhhh
regular weather in AAA is extraordinarily fragile lol
it's still good
but when you've got shit like deso iron moth and the aforementioned psea corv as extremely common glue mons, it's just
not something you can rely on to snowball with
pliant violet
is knock off good in singles?
timber vale
Deso cinderace is also common iirc
languid lichen
extremely
timber vale
is knock off good in singles?
Oh, exceedingly
languid lichen
a lot better than in doubles, even
pliant violet
ok good
languid lichen
for several reasons
pliant violet
got buffed in champions
timber vale
Like, if Kingambit got knock off it'd probably go to ubers aiui
timber vale
got buffed in champions
It WHAT
languid lichen
choice items are, as one might expect, super common in singles
quiet galleon
Does in game singles have item claude
languid lichen
and so knock off on tanks is really really good for reaching or exceeding hp parity
quiet galleon
Clause
pliant violet
nvm I hallucinated that
languid lichen
it's also just
a 100bp dark move
for stab
and because hazards are very good, and boots are very good, it punishes that
pliant violet
ko has lost some value in champions because it's a mega format
languid lichen
it punishes dry switches
timber vale
Iirc knock off being so fucking prevalent is one of the reasons psychic types generally struggle a bit in singles
languid lichen
it punishes fast pivots
pliant violet
can't ko mega stones
timber vale
Iirc knock off being so fucking prevalent is one of the reasons psychic types ge...
Though that's a downstream effect
languid lichen
yeah
otoh
there are some real motherfucker psychic mons in singles
even without lele as psyspam glue, you've got like
iron crown and hatterene
and espathra had to be banned to ubers
it turns out lumina crash is gigafucked
who'da thunk that the spammable 80 bp -2 spdef move on a mon with good spa and spe and speed boost would be uh
good
obtuse ravine
Im on 32 hp, 14 atk, 18 sp def, 2 speed
quiet galleon
nvm I hallucinated that
There was a vid with “knock off buffed” in the thumbail but it meant tyranitar was buffed by gaining knock off I think
snow wren
Got to ultra ball last night
My singles team is a mess and yet somehow wins
Meanwhile my trick room team can’t get out of pokeball doubles
quiet galleon
Im really happy
Yayyyyy
Idk if you can tell that trick room was a hard matchup for me lol
manic kindle
Ooo love the encore on bunny
quiet galleon
Aegis and vanilluxe are kinda standardy I think but I figured them out myself which Im proud of. Aegis has perfect defensive synergy with Lopunny, aerodactyl covers the other half when switching aegis out. Then the only types they dont hit are all hit by freeze dry and vanilluxe is crazy good at freeze dry
Setting snow is so useful in the meta especially when lopunny kinda fucks up snow teams anyway
Encore is awesome!!! Like lopunny exudes like maximum fake out pressure but you cant protect either cause then she encores you
I uh honestly dont click tailwind that often though so idk if something else with aerodactyls other qualities exists that would be better? Shes awesome though (as everyone knows rn haha) so its not super necessary and its useful against other tailwind teams and dragon dance stuff people have started doing
I kinda wanna track down my ds and see if I can get my shiny lopunny into home now 😊