Lucifer for sure, and thus the Tokugawa
#POKÉMON CENTER
languid lichen
i mean, dark is complicated
because its name doesn't entirely match up to its essence
(except when it does)
arctic dagger
Yeah, but these are explicitly described as cruel and aggressive
languid lichen
yeah
arctic dagger
Which I feel fits
languid lichen
but dark's biggest emphasis is on dirty fighting
it has a lot of others
but the like [berserker warrior] sense isn't necessarily Dark
at least imo
goblin's super dark
but i would call toku just, fire/ele probably
arctic dagger
I think Blackbeasrd is pretty Dark because it's also a pirate
languid lichen
that one's fair
its vibes are murderous cutthroat pirate guy
fighting/dark or water/dark work well
arctic dagger
Tokugawa I think has a version that's Electric/Fire or Fire/Fighting, but I think has an evolution or regional form with Lucifer active that's a Dark Type basically
languid lichen
i think it's most likely that it would have an ability that's Steelworker for dark moves, or something similar
arctic dagger
That would work too.
languid lichen
something like uh
an intrinsic form-change, whose effects depend on its 2-3 abilities
arctic dagger
"Paired pilots were constantly fed tactical information at a rate that often surpassed what they personally capable of processing, and the class frequently exhibited distaste for pilots that failed to match its aggression. Seemingly regardless of their actual opinion of them, LUCIFER clones were known for their cruel verbal treatment of their pilots, which they played off as jokes or friendly banter. "
But this feels VERY dark type to me
Even if the Toku as a whole I agree doesn't quite fit
Maybe it's a signature move that is like, 3x Attack boost and also turns you Dark Type
Or a dark type Flail that doesn't suck lmao
sudden spade
I feel like a lot of stealth mechs would get dark.
Not out of any moral reason but dark is 'dirty fighting'.
languid lichen
i think it depends on how they do their stealth and engagement, but yeah
arctic dagger
Except Dark doesn't really get Evasion moves
sudden spade
I'd peg the Goblin as Dark/Psychic
languid lichen
yeah that's perfect
arctic dagger
Yeah it's clearly that.
arctic dagger
Lich is Ghost/Normal I think
languid lichen
there ain't nothin normal about those motherfuckers
languid lichen
yeah, but so do support mons in every other type
arctic dagger
Although so is Psychic
languid lichen
And also is time-related
psychic is the most time-related type
sudden spade
My personal thoughts on the Mourning Cloak would be a Ghost/Dark Physical Attacker.
languid lichen
future sight, celebi in general, speed swap, trick room, etc.
i can envision that perfectly, yeah
goes to the fucking shadow realm
attacks in ways that, mechanically, you could easily describe as phantom force and night slash
azure crane
Which mechs are Fairy?
sudden spade
Shadow Sneak feels like a very Mourning Cloak move.
languid lichen
yeah
arctic dagger
I agree strongly on Ghost
languid lichen
Which mechs are Fairy?
dusk wing
arctic dagger
I'm less sure on Dark for Mourning Cloak
languid lichen
i mean
it's literally the most dark fighting style on the roster
"jump a guy in the dark while they're alone"
if you want to ignore flavor
arctic dagger
I mean, that's kinda covered by the Ghost type too IMO
arctic dagger
Poltergeist
azure crane
Metalmark is Fire/Water, I think, while Amber Phantom is Fire/Psychic.
arctic dagger
most of what Mourning Cloak does is just Poltergeist IMO
sudden spade
I'm not sure too many baseline mechs are fairy type. I can think of homebrew ones that are but less so core mechs.
languid lichen
gorgon i can't really see fairy
arctic dagger
Specifically thinking of how much Fairy stuff often has to do with visual perception there
Something like Ghost/Fairy or Dark/Fairy
languid lichen
manticore's pretty easily electric/steel with heatproof and/or a heatproof + gubbins ability imo
arctic dagger
To give it the twisted fae vibe
sudden spade
I think part of the issue is that the list of fairy moves is narrow. XD
They've got some good moves but they're new enough they don't have too many different vibes.
languid lichen
yeah it's just like
sudden spade
Dark has been about long enough to have plenty of 'brutality', 'dirty fighter', 'nightmare' sorts of themes depending on what you want out of of it.
languid lichen
charm and baby-doll eyes
karmic imp
Minotaur seems like
Dark, psychic, maybe
sudden spade
...Goblin sitting here on Prankster being its usual horrible self.
karmic imp
Ghost and fairy also fuck with people
languid lichen
minotaur's favorite things are fucked up psychic status moves, yeah
like speed swap
and imprison
karmic imp
Ghost and fairy also fuck with people
Could connect to minotaur too
languid lichen
iskander is psychic/rock, because gravity is uh
psychic and rock
and throwing bricks at heads is rock
arctic dagger
Personally I think that we are ascribing Dark type to too many things.
Having access to a lot of Dark Type moves is pretty normal for a lot of physical attackers without making them Dark Type
languid lichen
the only ones i think are dark type that we've talked about so far are MC and goblin
arctic dagger
The Dark Type itself is reserved more for the ones who are intentionally kinda fucked up about it
languid lichen
...maybe caliban, which is about killing people as efficiently and brutally as possible in a ball of extremely unfair death
its role on the battlefield is to Turn People Into Statistics
but i wouldn't fight hard if anyone disagreed
arctic dagger
Dark/Fighting IMO
arctic dagger
No
languid lichen
it uses extremespeed
arctic dagger
Fighting for sure
sudden spade
I could see Fighting/Normal. We're getting more 'normal as a secondary type' these days.
arctic dagger
Fighting/Normal or even Fighting/Steel
IMO
I know mechs and steel but Nelson feels MORE steel outside of just being a robot to me
It's a knight with a big spear
arctic dagger
Pure normal type is the Everest
languid lichen
that's not to say it's not cool
but the nelson is super straightforward as lancer mechs go
it runs around and stabs you
with its iconic piece of gear as like
the most normal, everyman weapon around (the spear)
i would accept normal/fighting or normal/steel
but it being normal is my hill
arctic dagger
I'm ok with Figghting/Normal but I really don't think it's that Normal
sudden spade
...I know what types I'd give the Balor thematically. I'd go Poison/Fire. It loves damage over time and blistering blackwash, being a walking environmental hazard.
languid lichen
oh, that also makes a ton of sense, yeah
arctic dagger
I think it's not really Poison is my main thought
languid lichen
graywash nanites are like
arctic dagger
It doesn't really infect things, it cleans them from existence
languid lichen
super poison-coded
languid lichen
It doesn't really infect things, it cleans them from existence
plenty of pkmn poison types do things like acid instead
"infection" is only one type
arctic dagger
Yeah I just think the Fire already covers it
sudden spade
That's fair. I can see just fire, though I personally lean a bit poison
arctic dagger
The fluidity of it makes me want to lean more Water than Fire. Or honestly I'd consider Dragon maybe.
languid lichen
alas, i do not think there are any ice type lancer mechs, except maybe gorgon or white witch for vibes
sudden spade
Drake is the most Steel-Type Mech known to man.
karmic imp
Pure normal type is the Everest
We had a discussion of frame types once before
From what I remember, either pegasus or everest got Normal/Normal instead of just Normal
sudden spade
'Speed: No. Def: Yes' steel brawly guy.
languid lichen
i want to say atlas is like, grass/ground?
karmic imp
Worldkiller is Fire/Fire
languid lichen
swallowtails i'd definitely call normal/ghost and normal/grass, respectively
karmic imp
Worldkiller is Fire/Fire
With an ability just called Fire
karmic imp
Kobold is ground/fairy or ground/dark
trail bridge
hmm
arctic dagger
Fire/Rock I think personally
languid lichen
kobold likes fire, i'd say rock/fire yeah
arctic dagger
The Fusion Rifle and Slag Cannon feel pretty Fire/Rock-y to me
arctic dagger
Yeah
languid lichen
death's head i think is also mono-normal
arctic dagger
Seismic Ripper is VERY ground coded
arctic dagger
Steel I think
languid lichen
you could call it normal/steel because bullet stuff, but
in a world of mechas
if you're not making everything steel
you have to be discerning
arctic dagger
I agree but I feel like it's more-Steel than most
languid lichen
and death's head is just The Most Generic Gun Guy
it's like a normal type with mega launcher or something
trail bridge
okay but hot take: I think the Mourning Cloak is Psychic/Bug'
languid lichen
it shoota the railgun
arctic dagger
I like Psychic/Bug better than Psychic/Dark for MC
languid lichen
okay but hot take: I think the Mourning Cloak is Psychic/Bug'
not including either ghost or dark is incredibly deranged
trail bridge
Consider!
arctic dagger
But I like Ghost/Bug better
languid lichen
and i have to disagree, since its mannerisms are 10000000% dark and its void magic is like
casting phantom force and shadow sneak
trail bridge
okay ghost/bug is better tbh
sudden spade
Genghis is Fire Type with Flash Fire or Tinted Lens as it's ability options depending on if you have normal or worldkiller.
languid lichen
i think dusk wing is fairy/bug
trail bridge
Worldkiller is definitely the past paradox
languid lichen
fuckin magnets, how do they work?
sudden spade
Black Witch I'd peg as like...Steel/Electric
trail bridge
miracles
languid lichen
OH *BLACK* WITCH
black witch also does ferrobullshit
trail bridge
the White Witch would be Steel/Dark
languid lichen
so you were mostly right anyway
trail bridge
ahh
languid lichen
i cannot see dark for WW lmao
what does it do that's dark
the payback move?
not really anything else
trail bridge
what does it do that's dark
ig it was based on vibes + the horrified fluff in the license
arctic dagger
White/Witch is if anything Fighting more than Dark IMO
trail bridge
sorry for the ping btw
languid lichen
don't apologize for pings
sudden spade
Black Witch banned for having Magnet Pull, as nobody likes trapping abilities.
trail bridge
true
languid lichen
i prefer them (unless it's specifically ping-on-every-message in a two-person conversation)
languid lichen
i don't think barbie's fire type really
especially if you go with the anime, where every move explodes
languid lichen
yeah for sure
trail bridge
And a fucking MASSIVE SpA
languid lichen
i'd call it ground/steel probably
trail bridge
is there a fire version of steelworker?
arctic dagger
I think I'd go Fire/Steel over Ground/Steel
languid lichen
nop
trail bridge
darn
arctic dagger
I mean you can make one up tho'
languid lichen
yop
arctic dagger
We've already talked about making up abilities for previous mechs
sudden spade
Kobold sitting here with Ground/Fire.
arctic dagger
Worldkiller as Dark makes a lot of sense to me
trail bridge
yeah
sudden spade
My thoughts on role is I'd make Kobold a Fire/Ground lead pokemon. It's an Entry Hazards specialist.
'Hello, I am here to make the battlefield suck'
arctic dagger
IDK about Fire tbh
trail bridge
MISSILES
sudden spade
Sure but I feel like if you make 'does a boom' fire, most mechs will end up fire
sudden spade
I'ts sorta the same area as 'mechs are made of metal, steel type'
trail bridge
Okay... what about Flying/Dragon
arctic dagger
Why flying?
arctic dagger
...IUs it particularly fast?
trail bridge
🤔 it fits the vibes of a flying type imo, plus the fact it looks like a jet with limbs
hmm. Mono Psychic for the Swallowtail, and Psychic/Grass for the ranger
languid lichen
hmm. Mono Psychic for the Swallowtail, and Psychic/Grass for the ranger
my swallowtail opinions are normal/ghost and normal/grass
trail bridge
i see it as more psychic given the sheer amount of predicting it has in its kit
arctic dagger
I think you are overusing Normal personally.
trail bridge
that being said
Given how prevalent it is in lore
Sherman is defo a normal/electric
sudden spade
...so I have a heretical thought for one. I'm not sure what types it is but Death's Head's abilities are 'Sniper' or 'No Guard'
arctic dagger
So I'm not sure on Monarch typing (Normal? Dragon? IDK) but I think it gets Skill Link
It's all about the multihit moves
timber vale
What type would the Drake be
languid lichen
pure steel imo
trail bridge
No Guard fits it really well
sudden spade
Drake I feel is Mono-Steel. Steel/Dragon if you wanted to be cute with the name but pure steel is my leaning.
arctic dagger
Definitely Steel
timber vale
pure steel imo
Yeah fair lol
arctic dagger
I could maybe see Fighting for the Drake, it's reasonably hero-coded
As a secondary type
trail bridge
nah i feel like Rock/Fighting could be better for the Tortuga
Mono Steel for the Drake works imo
arctic dagger
I can see that.
sudden spade
Drake is imo 'mono steel, very slow, good defence but mediocre special defence, high attack, Friend Guard.' It wants to turn up and beat on other physical attackers but isn't an absolute murder machine that will sweep.
arctic dagger
I think it has decent spdef too
It's not HIGH but it's medium
A lot of spdef is just thunderbolts and flamethrowers
It's not all psychics and other weird shit
sudden spade
Oh yeah. That's what I meant with mediocre. Not super low but it's the worst defence by a notable bit.
arctic dagger
Ah, I think of mediocre as being like, bad.
sudden spade
Drake: "You guys are literally just describing a Standard Steel Type."
WE ARE.
trail bridge
lmao
is it wrong for me to say that the Caliban is definitely a Dark type in some degree?
timber vale
is it wrong for me to say that the Caliban is definitely a Dark type in some deg...
It was designed to kill people as efficiently and cheaply as possible so I can see it
sudden spade
I think Caliban could hit dark less in the 'dirty cheater' way and more the 'Brutality' way. I think it would miss a lot of dark options.
timber vale
I think Caliban could hit dark less in the 'dirty cheater' way and more the 'Bru...
Yeah, I wouldn't really be giving this thing sucker punch, yknow?
arctic dagger
I think we decided on Fighting/Dark for the Caliban earlier
timber vale
At least thematically
trail bridge
ohhh right
timber vale
I think we decided on Fighting/Dark for the Caliban earlier
One moonblast and bro is structured
arctic dagger
Speaking of which
I really want pokemon to halve at least all type effectiveness
Not from a competitive standpoint, where honestly it works fine, but from the vibes of it.
timber vale
What, like normal weaknesses is 1.5, x2 weaknesses becomes 2.25?
timber vale
Mb I meant x4 there
timber vale
Wait no wouldn't it just be 2?
1.5x1.5 is 2.25
timber vale
Square root of 2 is irrational
arctic dagger
And then yeah, reverse for resistances
sudden spade
Route 1 Normal/Flying Aces 😛
arctic dagger
The amount pokemon is rocket tag feels weird from a vibes perspective
And a lot of that is how much multipliers you get from type I think
It's also stat creep and move power ubiquity too ofc
But 4x in particular, you can just be a defensive pokemon with only medium offense and if you hit someone who is 4x weak they often die even if they're ALSO defensive.
And I think it's easier to pull power out of the type advantage multipliers than to put the stat creep and move creep back in the box
IDK if it would be enough?
timber vale
The main thing I'm thinking rn is just
arctic dagger
We don't want to get back to the Bad Old Days of forever-stall either tho'
timber vale
"It might be able to spec Calyrex Shadow into tanking way more dark moves"
Cuz iirc it is just bulky enough to survive a foul play with no defense investment if it has a minus attack nature
arctic dagger
Basically the goal is a more-anime fighting experience I think. Probably also involves restrictions on switching too much.
timber vale
Cuz iirc it is *just* bulky enough to survive a foul play with no defense invest...
Overall I think this could genuinely make Clayrex shadow specifically more of a pain in the ass?
Because going from 4x weak to ghost and dark to 2.25 is
A shift.
timber vale
Yeah that's fair
deft path
shouldnt hav ebeen hit by a grass type
arctic dagger
4x to both grass and water, the poor things
languid lichen
my personal takes:
IPS-N
Blackbeard: Water/Fighting [custom, something like anger point or anger shell]
Drake: Steel [filter/battle armor]
Lancaster: Normal/Ground [healer/symbiosis/hospitality]
Nelson: Normal/Fighting [speed boost]
Raleigh: no fucking idea
Tortuga: Rock [analytic/rock head]
Vlad: Ground/Dark [rough skin]
Caliban: Fighting/Dark [scrappy/intimidate]
Zheng: Fighting [iron fist/sheer force/hustle]
Kidd: Electric, also no idea
SSC
Black Witch: Steel/Electric [magnet pull/galvanize]
Orchis: Steel/Fighting [friend guard/telepathy]
Death's Head: Normal [sniper/super luck/keen eye]
Dusk Wing: Bug/Fairy [levitate]
Metalmark: Electric/Normal [technician]
Amber Phantom: Electric/Ghost [technician]
Monarch: Flying [compound eyes/keen eye/sniper]
Mourning Cloak: Ghost/Dark [infiltrator/unburden]
Swallowtail: Normal/Ghost [custom, anticipation but useful]
Rangertail: Psychic/Grass [grassy surge]
Atlas: Ground/Grass [sharpness/limber/wind rider]
White Witch: Steel/Water [stamina/mirror armor/weak armor]
Emperor: also no idea ngl
arctic dagger
It also probably pulls in the type power disparities, but this would have so many cascading effects you'd have to test it.
trail bridge
Emperor is some sort of electric type
languid lichen
the demons have infected me
deft path
i think the main reason it wont be changed is because i dont think most 8 year olds can multiply 1.5 by 1.5
but they can understand 2 by 2
deft path
doulbing is much more intuitive though
and the end result of 4 is much easier to understand than 2.25
arctic dagger
Yeah I'd probably just say 1.5x and 2x
timber vale
i think the main reason it wont be changed is because i dont think most 8 year o...
I'm ngl as a kid I just over-leveled the starter and kept using the same move until everything died
arctic dagger
And .75x and .5x for resists
timber vale
And if it didn't I used something else for that one thing and then went back to my starter
deft path
that is yeah
idk i feel like we're probably just gonna end up in stall hell if that happens
like i get where its coming from
arctic dagger
Right, it'd need other changes.
I'm not saying this is a simple place to go.
I think this is a good place to start
And then figure out what else would need to shift
deft path
i think this change also benefits offensive pokemon more than defensive ones
sudden spade
my personal takes:
**IPS-N**
Blackbeard: Water/Fighting [custom, something like ...
Orchis 100% learns Circle Throw.
arctic dagger
But yeah offensive pokemon are going to like punching through resists easier
languid lichen
Orchis *100%* learns Circle Throw.
yeah, i was thinking fighting entirely because of things like circle throw, mat block, and wide/quick guard
deft path
it just means offensive pokemon are going to be on the field longer
timber vale
Tbh stall isn't so bad
deft path
stall is that bad
timber vale
Do we mean stall as in the team archetype or like
arctic dagger
Individual stall pokemon are fine
As a consistent archtype across a team it causes PROBLEMS
But a lot of those are historically caused by switching being so powerful
And with resists mattering less, that's a lot less true
timber vale
Imo it's like
Yeah, kinda sucks, but also i think it is fairly counterable?
deft path
i assume we're discussing stuff like matches that go on for 300+ turns rather than extending a match by 3 turns
sudden spade
My general opinion is that if stall isn't an archetype that can function, the situation is too offence-leaning. It doesn't need to be a dominant archetype but there have been a lot of times when stall just Isn't An Option with how much Hyperoffense becomes the play.
deft path
well yeah but that's because pokemon has made offence much stronger to counter stalling
and removed stalling's better options
arctic dagger
Right, and middle grounds exist.
timber vale
My general opinion is that if stall isn't an archetype that can function, the si...
Isn't stall the hard counter to hyper-offense?
arctic dagger
Stall usually needs time to get into a position that makes them happy basically
languid lichen
stall is also sometimes the hard counter to hyper-offense, but that's not how it's supposed to work
it's only in rare metas when stall is gigafucked
timber vale
I swear I've seen so many things calling stall hyper offense's worst match-up
arctic dagger
Yeah
timber vale
Of course I do not play OU so idk lol
deft path
I swear I've seen so many things calling stall hyper offense's worst match-up
that's mostly people wanting to call stall a genuine thing
and also singles
timber vale
and also singles
Oh, we haven't been talking about singles?
arctic dagger
By a wide margin
deft path
i never discuss singles
languid lichen
may is a vgc player
timber vale
Ah, okay
arctic dagger
Uhhh, I'm kinda talking about singles too personally.
karmic imp
that's mostly people wanting to call stall a genuine thing
Stall isn't?
sudden spade
Bulky offence teams that can take one solid hit and then splatter your fragile ass are painful for hyperoffence.
languid lichen
i'm uninterested in doubles, so i only really talk about smogon singles
languid lichen
but we've got a vgc crowd
deft path
Stall isn't?
stall hasn't been a thing in like, five generations
timber vale
Yeah
sudden spade
Yeah, there's not much that can take two pokemon beating on them so doubles doesn't really have stall as a thing.
arctic dagger
Even in singles stall hasn't been a thing really since... Gen6 I think?
timber vale
stall hasn't been a thing in like, five generations
Okay I've been talking about in the context of singles here
deft path
like the years of stall hell are LONG past
arctic dagger
So 4 generations for singles
timber vale
Even in singles stall hasn't been a thing really since... Gen6 I think?
Full stall still exists, but also we have insane wallbreakers as well
So I think stall is overall playable but on the weaker side
arctic dagger
Nahhh, we have defensive hazard and status teams but
sudden spade
and people try to claim it was healthy for the game
...hey, I'm one of those people! XD
timber vale
Especially with a lot of mons losing toxic in gen 8
arctic dagger
They're not really stall in the same way they used to
karmic imp
Oh, gorgon is poison/fairy
timber vale
Nahhh, we have defensive hazard and status teams but
From what I've seen, hazards is more of a bulky offense/hyper offense thing
arctic dagger
The age of regenerator-swapping Toxapex are long gone
languid lichen
From what I've seen, hazards is more of a bulky offense/hyper offense thing
rocks are an everyone thing tbf
timber vale
Since they can't really set up
arctic dagger
Ok, that was 7
deft path
look this may be a cold take but stall is deeply unfun both to play as and play against
timber vale
rocks are an everyone thing tbf
True
sudden spade
Hazards are generally something stall likes as they punish lots of swapping and get stronger the longer the game goes.
timber vale
look this may be a cold take but stall is deeply unfun both to play as and play ...
True
languid lichen
HO likes to run spikes and, depending on the team configuration, webs
because a lot of the time getting those breakpoints really matters
chip is fucking huge
BO and balance like whatever the specific BO shell cares about
sometimes they're fatter and so it's tspikes
sometimes they can 2hko their threats through rocks + 1 spikes
arctic dagger
So, my main thing here, is that I haven't seen a pokemon game go past 30-50 turns in a LONG LONG time
languid lichen
(or through just one of those)
arctic dagger
And thus it's not really stall
languid lichen
stall just wants tspikes and rocks
arctic dagger
That's what I think of stall
languid lichen
a lot of the time
arctic dagger
Otherwise it's just sparkling defense
languid lichen
when i was playing gen 7 OMs and OMMs i had a ton of like
balance v balance games
sudden spade
I think there's a distinction between 'defensive' and 'stall hell'.
languid lichen
go to turn 200
sudden spade
And I feel like even defensive isn't doing great these days
languid lichen
because there were four regenerator mons
arctic dagger
Yeah
deft path
Vgc player seeing a game last for 50 turns "yeah so stall is bad"
languid lichen
in every game
arctic dagger
Regenerator Was A Mistake
languid lichen
and a bunch of other glorpshit
double regen cores were the fucking bedrock of gen 7 defensive teams
arctic dagger
I mean if you can make a VGC game go for 50 turns that's crazy but
sudden spade
It is really stall if you're not locking the other guy in the Slowbro Fun Box where the game can never end because neither pokemon can kill the other? 😛
arctic dagger
It's also faster to go to more turns in singles mostly
timber vale
I don't really play much comp because I can't play with the mons I particularly like
karmic imp
Man I wish I could still fight online in Pokemon Y
languid lichen
it's not about winning, it's about making people miserable
timber vale
I don't really play much comp because I can't play with the mons I particularly ...
Psychic types are so ass 💔
languid lichen
and similar post-funbro strats
deft path
I don't really play much comp because I can't play with the mons I particularly ...
I play comp because it forces a lot of weird hyper niche thinking
deft path
Psychic types are so ass 💔
psychic types are goated
timber vale
I play comp because it forces a lot of weird hyper niche thinking
I'm talking singles here
deft path
indeedee and armarouge
timber vale
psychic types are goated
Not in singles
deft path
ogu
timber vale
Knock off is the only move that exists... all my mons die instantly...
arctic dagger
How do 'yall keep forgetting you're talking about completely different formats
We said this like 5 minutes ago lmao
languid lichen
Not in singles
that's also not true :v
deft path
How do 'yall keep forgetting you're talking about completely different formats
When people say comp I think vgc
sudden spade
But yeah. I dunno. I feel like pokemon could do with more defensive support. Not like full 'Stall out for ages' but it feels like offense has blown defence out of the water with near unbeatable wallbreakers and even some of the best walls in history no longer making the cut.
But that's just personal opinion I guess.
timber vale
that's also not true :v
Okay psychic types are good but not because having the psychic type is overall very beneficial
wild prairie
I used to run psychic in Monotype. It sucked
karmic imp
it's not about winning, it's about making people miserable
Remember playing a fangame where a gym leader kept spamming yawn
So a chunk of the fight was just endless pokemon switching
languid lichen
psychic is a strong offensive type when your team/psychic mon don't shit themselves and die when they see a steel type
which is, unfortunately, common for psychic types
(or you could just be hatterene and be broken for other reasons)
timber vale
I just wanna run my funny little jello baby (reuniclus)
timber vale
(or you could just be hatterene and be broken for other reasons)
Mystical fire :3
wild prairie
I just wanna run my funny little jello baby (reuniclus)
Same but Alakazam
languid lichen
you think reuniclus love is tough?
try enjoying fucking beheeyem
it was joever for me from the start
arctic dagger
I just wanna run my funny little jello baby (reuniclus)
Reuniclus sees OU usage atm
timber vale
try enjoying fucking beheeyem
I like that mon as well
timber vale
Reuniclus sees OU usage atm
In gen 9? Fr?
languid lichen
it's a solid tank
arctic dagger
It's a wallbreaker
sudden spade
...huh, I didn't realize that Triage boosts offensive healing moves like mega drain too. That's fun.
languid lichen
arctic dagger
It's a tank good vs other tanks basically
languid lichen
meanwhile
deft path
Regileki trick room is so funny
languid lichen
my poor fucking elgyem/beheeyem
arctic dagger
Ok were those EVER good
languid lichen
no
arctic dagger
Ok
deft path
no
arctic dagger
Cool
deft path
maybe in the anime
timber vale
Maybe they can be used in PU?
arctic dagger
Ok to be fair, loving dogshit pokemon is fair
languid lichen
Maybe they can be used in PU?
lol
beheeyem is
like D-tier
in ZU
the tier below PU
timber vale
...ouch.
languid lichen
that was made for things too dogwater for PU usage
sudden spade
...I'm also realizing that like half of MOI from Liminal Space would be Fairy Type. XD
languid lichen
schnoice
arctic dagger
It's a SLOW mono-psychic with an only ok movepool IIRC
arctic dagger
And like... Analytic probably?
languid lichen
And like... Analytic probably?
it's a 40 speed analytic mon, yeah
unforchies: 75/75/95 defenses
can't take a single hit to fight back with analytic
and has no recovery
deft path
can't wait for them to get a regional form in gen X like kingambit of yuepho and its still dogshit
languid lichen
i want a third evo
arctic dagger
Also under 500 BST and 75 of it is in their non-used attacking stat
sudden spade
Morgana Used Max Starfall
timber vale
I have a great idea for psychic mons
arctic dagger
I mean it's under 500 BST, it could absolutely get an evo these days lmao
timber vale
I have a great idea for psychic mons
Every psychic mon with focus blast gets aura sphere
languid lichen
fun fact: beheeyem doesn't learn focus blast
arctic dagger
I don't think Eviolite Beheeyem is much of a problem
deft path
regional beheeyem evolution
Monkeys paw curls. yuepho is a psychic/ghost 500bst
timber vale
Every psychic mon with focus blast gets aura sphere
Please. I'm tired of missing focus blast.
languid lichen
Monkeys paw curls. yuepho is a psychic/ghost 500bst
i'll take it because it lets me cope for gen 27 mega
arctic dagger
I think I'd give it psychic/electric just because it does have tbolt already
sudden spade
It's silly but I really want to see more Rock Special Attackers. Rock Special moves barely exist and I'd love to see more rock pokemon that don't go 'Look at me, I'm a defensive pokemon' Explodes from basicly anything touching it.
deft path
Pokémon legend LMNO mega yuepho is released. It has the ability slow start
arctic dagger
It's silly but I really want to see more Rock Special Attackers. Rock Special mo...
Rock moves barely exist
timber vale
Can someone name a rock move besides accelerock and might cleave with 100% accuracy
deft path
rock slide
arctic dagger
95% I think
timber vale
rock slide
I think that's 90
deft path
polish
timber vale
It's 90
timber vale
Power Gem
deft path
Arceus-Rock Judgement
timber vale
Whatever it's called
Meteor beam is 90
deft path
Ancient power?
deft path
Sandstorm
timber vale
This is depressing
arctic dagger
I''m pretty sure the like, two Z-moves for Rock Type were 100% accurate
timber vale
It is listed under status
arctic dagger
Status moves are anything you couldn't use while taunted
timber vale
If it doesn't do physical or special damage it is a status
arctic dagger
You can't use sandstorm while taunted
arctic dagger
Nice.
timber vale
Awesome.
arctic dagger
I remember Splintered Somethingstorm from Lycanroc
What was the other Z-move for Rock?
The generic?
Continental Crush apparently
timber vale
They should make a normal-type mon with insane mixed attacker stats, extreme speed, and boomburst with tinted lens just to see what would happen
deft path
They should make a normal-type mon with insane mixed attacker stats, extreme spe...
normalium dragonite
normal tera
timber vale
Missing tinted lens and boomburst
runic umbra
We have listed every rock type move
and alexander wept, for there were no more rock type moves to list
arctic dagger
I mean, do you just want a bug/ghost?
Because to me Shedinja is kinda defined by their ability, which can never be usable
karmic imp
Yeah, it's a cool combination
But I also think shedinja could be reworked to have a better gimmick
It deserves it
soft isleBOT
Ghost/dark Shedinja when 
timber vale
One mold breaker mon and that boy is toast
arctic dagger
Or any fairy type movves
soft isleBOT
we're the kind of old Pokemon player that still forgets fairy type exists even though it's been in the series for over a decade by now
arctic dagger
Yeah, we're down to just Elektross I think for pokemon with no weaknesses?
Man, Bayleaf is so much more interesting than Meganium
karmic imp
Anyway, chat went down too fast for me to keep up with the frames typing
Which ones did you all decide on?
languid lichen
my personal takes:
**IPS-N**
Blackbeard: Water/Fighting [custom, something like ...
okay back on my bullshit
HORUS
Balor: Poison/Fire [regenerator/dry skin]
Goblin: Fairy/Dark [prankster/wonder skin/synchronize]
Gorgon: Psychic/Poison [intimidate/unnerve/pressure]
Hydra: Bug/Dragon [swarm/custom, inverse friend guard]
Manticore: Electric/Ground [electromorphosis/flash fire]
Lycan: Electric/Dragon [stance change]
Minotaur: Psychic/Water [psychic surge/misty surge]
Calendula: Ghost/Water [opportunist]
Pegasus: Fairy/Normal [custom, remove damage variance]
Kobold: Rock/Fire [sand veil/sand spit/flame body]
Lich: Ghost/Psychic [regenerator/disguise]
HA
Barbarossa: Steel/Ground [flash fire/mega launcher/analytic]
Genghis: Fire [sheer force/drought]
Worldkiller: Fire/Dark [reckless/turboblaze]
Iskander: Psychic/Ground [overcoat/custom, immune to entry hazards]
Saladin: Steel/Normal [bulletproof]
and now i've run out of energy and opinions on the rest of HA lmao
don't ask me why i think the minotaurs are water
it just Feels Right
karmic imp
Minotaur and calendula as water is an interesting take
karmic imp
my personal takes:
**IPS-N**
Blackbeard: Water/Fighting [custom, something like ...
Emperor feels like a shoe in for psychic
languid lichen
hm, does it?
someone said electric earlier, and I could see that (although i already chose a lot of others as ele lmao), but I'm not sure I have a grasp on any concrete typing for emp's os fuckery
arctic dagger
Emp I think might be a Normal type with Protean or something
IDK
And then they have a couple different different type unique moves that are multihit
Regarding Pegasus, I think the ability removes damage variance in its favor
Which is like, +20% damage dealt and -20% damage received roughly I think?
No, wait it lowered later
azure crane
Hydra could have Friend Guard. It had the thing that gives Resistance to Drones.
arctic dagger
15% less damage from the maximum, and 17% more damage dealt than the minimum?
karmic imp
Nimi likes Chandelure, nice
Gwynn roasted ivor, damn
Nimi does not understand cartesian graphs
... One of your allies gets debt with the mafia?
snow cobalt
obtuse ravine
aww the floofff 🥺
snow cobalt
languid lichen
umbral hound
regrettably that looks like toothpaste
manic kindle
Wow, trans people fight gingivitis
vague tide
i have made a questionable decision for the sake of the shiny charm
fickle thicket
I don't know how far the anime's dub is but I just love Dot's ||gimmighoul. little shit does absolutely nothing but hypnotise people into gathering its fucking coins||
azure crane
worldly plume
cackling
earnest nacelle
https://bsky.app/profile/jellodorf.bsky.social/post/3m4zf5gkogk2j
While I'm cool with this on principle, isn't Mega Evolution supposed to really hurt?
vernal rapids
While I'm cool with this on principle, isn't Mega Evolution supposed to really h...
Hormonal transition can cause some aches over a period of months it'd probably hurt more if you did it all in like two seconds
fickle thicket
While I'm cool with this on principle, isn't Mega Evolution supposed to really h...
Gen 7 just slapped that in the Dex entries but nothing else in the entire series supports it
I'd like to read the Japanese gen 7 mega evolution Dex entries
See if they're also like that
Alas I can't fucking read
karmic imp
There's that comic of jacynthe throwing a barking leashed lebanne to battle then making her mega evolve
sudden spade
...what?
karmic imp
I don't have the source, unfortunately
timber vale
There's that comic of jacynthe throwing a barking leashed lebanne to battle then...
HUH???
round perch
-# Is she that feral?
blissful needle
Pretty sure Kukui and N dont really count because they never really formally became part of the league
N basically kicked down the door and Kukui just made the league
runic umbra
I was about to say, this is kukui slander
sudden spade
...I feel like that's some serious slander on Nemona. She's got a well rounded bulky team.
She just also, you know, is one of the few trainers who gets you can have multiple teams of pokemon. She's got a lot of pokemon we don't see because it would be kinda mean to go 'Wow, that's a nice level 5 starter. Go, max att/speed evs tauros!'
red rampart
Pretty sure Kukui and N dont really count because they never really formally bec...
Kukui being the champion fight in SuMo was awesome tbh
sudden spade
Though my words there do make me think...it would be interesting to have a rival who's first battle isn't reasonably winnable. Have a guy with like a level 12 team curbstomp your just handed to you starter to make it clear he wants to win, not have fair fights.
fickle thicket
...I feel like that's some serious slander on Nemona. She's got a well rounded b...
unfortunately, being champion does mean nothing in paldea no matter how good nemona is
her position will forever remain slandered so long as the actual champion sends her trapper out last
"I'm incapable of holding back" - immediately falls asleep at the wheel
arctic dagger
That's a wild statement.
fickle thicket
geeta is just that bad at her job
arctic dagger
- That's if you assume her job is to beat up 12 year olds.
- Previous champions do WAY dumber shit.
fickle thicket
also I feel like steven has taken his fair share of team wipes, I definitely wouldn't rank him alongside diantha and lance
arctic dagger
Like come on Lance has 2 level Dragonairs that he just refused to evolve into Dragonite
That's far more of a throw
fickle thicket
yeah sure, diantha is also known for being a cakewalk
but you gotta recognize that geeta gets hyped up to shit by her game
arctic dagger
So why the Paldea hate lmao
fickle thicket
so along with the entire game ranging from aggressively mid to outright bad, the incredible letdown of geeta's fight is just a wonderful cherry on top that stays with people
arctic dagger
Ohhhh you're someone who doesn't like ScarVi, nvm then, not worth arguing.
fickle thicket
so sorry for insulting your favourite small indie company
I'll be sure to tell them of your valiant defense
snow cobalt
dude can you lay off
arctic dagger
Relax mate, I just find the games fun and am not interested in your "Wah I'm going to play 60 hours of this game I hate and then complain about it for years."
We're here specifically because we LIKE pokemon and want to share that enjoyment with others.
We don't all enjoy it in the same way, but just shitting on stuff is lame.
manic kindle
Speaking of enjoyment, i miss za ranked season 1; i hope future seasons aren't just more Super Xerneas Show
manic kindle
Yah
arctic dagger
Isn't it a completely unregulated ladder?
manic kindle
Its got paired ranks n such as far as im aware
arctic dagger
Well they banned Mega Zygarde at least
Ah I meant like, pokemon allowed kinda rules
manic kindle
Oh, yeah as of rn
But the first one had nice variety in what you'd see for early competitive stuff
Second wave is xerneas or bust
That said its early and pokemon later regulations/ranked rules usually add more spice
arctic dagger
Yah
soft isleBOT
Not necessarily, you can be pretty successful with no-Xerneas teams as long as you run Metagross and something that can kill enemy Metagross. Our team's Metagross, Garchomp, and one of Gyarados, Feraligatr, or Greninja and we have been having a good time
murdoc (he/him) ↩️
That said we're so sick of the deer and we're very ready for the season rules to change >.>
manic kindle
Moreso just meant that Xerneas is so centralizing to team-building and im not a fan
soft isleBOT
Oh yeah we strongly agree with that
arctic dagger
I assume it's just Geomancy Herb?
manic kindle
I have been having so much fun with assault vest roserade tho
soft isleBOT
Calm Mind is supposed to be better since it casts faster and speed is a dead stat, but yeah that's approximately it
TohuBohu ↩️
Oh that sounds like a blast, we might have to try that
murdoc (he/him) ↩️
timber vale
We don't all enjoy it in the same way, but just shitting on stuff is lame.
While fair, I also feel like all of the 3D games so far have been like. Overwhelmingly underwhelming?
Like I fully completed both sword and shield and was left... feeling almost nothing about either game beyond "maybe i should've just emulated black and white instead of spending 100 dollars on the two game box set"
manic kindle
Oh yeah you can feel that, its in delivery not the message
arctic dagger
Shrug Nemona in particular is my favorite rival basically ever from a characterization standpoint. I'm not a fan of the ScarVi open world concept, but I've been anti open world in video gaming for AGES
manic kindle
Diplomatic tone n all that in a public space
timber vale
Pokemon is either my favorite or second favorite franchise of all time and I think it is a fair criticism of a multi-billion dollar company that a final boss is underwhelming
timber vale
I just think Lance is a bad comparison since Gen 1 was basically put together with sticks and glue and there were a total of 3 dragon Pokémon, all from one line
snow cobalt
Pokemon is either my favorite or second favorite franchise of all time and I thi...
that wasn't the whole complaint that was dragging things down
arctic dagger
Like Geeta has a team with multiple types trying to do their own thing. She's not the best regional Champion but "Paldea doesn't even get to count" is just
timber vale
Okay yeah that bit is fair
manic kindle
I just think we can all be civil (like right now!) And have a good fun time
arctic dagger
Yeh.
Fair critique is reasonable, it's not like ScarVi doesn't have things to critique lmao
Cough the lag oh my god
If you want to say she was overhyped by the game, I'm even ok with that. It's potentially true, although personally I'd rather have the people in game hyping each other up than "Hey prepare for a totally medium fight. It'll be ok I promise."
Part of it I think is that if I want difficulty, I go play PvP or a difficulty hack?
For me new pokemon games are about finding the new pokemon and the characters. And sometimes parts of the post game.
languid lichen
i just wish the games themselves were constructed competently
like, the art team consistently hits it out of the fucking park
pokemon is loaded beyond any reasonable expectation with stellar human character designs and critter designs
the aesthetic and concepts of the cities are often super charming or compelling
the atmosphere is great
languid lichen
the audio design is also famous for good reason!
pokemon music is like
8-10/10 every time
but then you get to the games
arctic dagger
I will note that ZA runs better on a switch1 than ScarVi does
So there has been an improvement?
XD
languid lichen
[as a game]
and every time
it's like a 6 at best
(exceptions always apply to side games, which often have much better construction while utilizing the consistent positive aspects)
but the main games have...okay at best plots, carried entirely by individual character writing
and...decent but never great mechanics, carried again by everything those mechanics introduce and allow to shine
red rampart
I will note that ZA runs better on a switch1 than ScarVi does
We keep wanting to replay ScVi, but then we remember the performance 😔
red rampart
(We probably will replay it anyway, eventually)
arctic dagger
I will just again reiterate that the speedrun of ScarVi cut OVER A QUARTER of the speedrun time out just by playing on a switch2
Because more than a quarter of the entire game experience was just waiting on lag
red rampart
They also switched games right?
arctic dagger
Pre-switch
They got to switch games because Miraidon is better than Koraidon but they couldn't because it had too many particles
languid lichen
So there has been an improvement?
while it's a true defense, my problem with it is that SV aren't the first or even second pokemon games running with exactly "the open world setup on switch"
red rampart
Violet was theoretically faster but miraidon lagged the game so much it wasn't worth it
arctic dagger
And would increase the lag EVEN MORE
But the 1/4 of the game was lag was BEFORE the game switch
It would have been even higher otherwise
languid lichen
and even if they were, the performance is pretty piss
timber vale
Honestly the main thing keeping me form playing SV besides like. The price
Is the fact my Nintendo switch is from 2018
arctic dagger
XD
timber vale
SwSh was overall like
timber vale
It had interesting ideas?
timber vale
Amazingly you can probably play ZA
I don't really like how the battling looks I'm ngl
Legends Arceus already isn't my favorite just because like. I really like abilities
arctic dagger
Yeahhhh I know people who are a fan but I'm not personally. But all the new megas are SO COOL and someone in my household was gonna own it, so I'm playing it. XD
languid lichen
I'm not gonna bitch about my own problems with ss, but fundamentally my issues boil down to
"i liked a bunch of aspects, but THIS is the most profitable franchise in history?"
timber vale
I like a few of the new megas but not enough to drop like, a full... what is it now, 70 bucks? On it tbh
Also the fact that you need online battles to get certain megas, right?
I might buy Legends ZA for 70 bucks if it was just 70 bucks
But then it's also Nintendo online
And apparently I'm hearing about a DLC?
I'm just. Tired of it
manic kindle
ZA blew my mind i loved it so much
timber vale
I'm just. Tired of it
It feels worse than any gacha I've played at this point
I'm glad others are enjoying it, at the very least, I just. Do not want to interact with the way Nintendo does things anymore
manic kindle
I don't think its unique to Nintendo but i getchu
timber vale
And I'm still not sure I'm particularly fond of most of the 3D models yet, even if I understand why they moved away from pixel art
timber vale
I don't think its unique to Nintendo but i getchu
It absolutely isn't unique to them, it's just like
The worst thing I've personally had to deal with in that regard
I still love the franchise, just... pokemon as a game, at its base, no longer particularly interests me, for a variety of reasons ig
Which that bit is a lot more subjective
manic kindle
Yeah its not an issue if you dont spend all your time vocally hating on it
timber vale
Oh
manic kindle
Yarring for love of the game...
timber vale
I mean I've been doing that but it's just too different of a control scheme to really be worth it
I'd probably want to buy a controller or smth
timber vale
I still love the franchise, just... pokemon as a game, at its base, no longer pa...
Especially as I've started to like difficult games more
But then also like
Difficulty hacks just. Are not fun, tbh
I haven't played a single one that does difficulty in an enjoyable way yet
arctic dagger
I had fun with Reborn and Unbound
Which are pretty high difficulty even if they're not like, Radical Red level difficulty
timber vale
Unbound I think I played, no strong feelings on it, kinda just. Stopped
arctic dagger
They're both uhm. Kinda edgy.
timber vale
Reborn... don't think I've heard of
arctic dagger
Which isn't my favorite thing
timber vale
They're both uhm. Kinda edgy.
I played insurgence lol
arctic dagger
Oh ok, you'll be fine with Reborn then lmao
timber vale
There aren't really edgier pokemon games
arctic dagger
Insurgence is the top tier
timber vale
I played insurgence lol
I didn't like it
arctic dagger
Of edgy pokemon games
timber vale
But I played it
arctic dagger
Well, I like Reborn a lot. The main mechanical thing is that there is ALWAYS a terrain of some sort, and they do WAY more than normal terrains do.
timber vale
Tbh I mostly just like pokemon because neat creatures and neat character designs
timber vale
Well, I like Reborn a lot. The main mechanical thing is that there is ALWAYS a ...
...huh. sounds interesting
arctic dagger
So if you're fighting in a power plant, it's electric terrain but also modifies a TON of steel type moves and other things too
timber vale
I gotta go for now, unfortunately
arctic dagger
So you're pretty incentivized to be swapping your team up for where you're fighting
timber vale
So you're pretty incentivized to be swapping your team up for where you're fight...
Less fond of that
It's just like.
arctic dagger
I liked that because it had me playing a lot of pokemon I'd usually not use as much
manic kindle
Ive really come to love hacks more in line with the Legacy series
timber vale
There's a vibe to having your team with you along your journey
arctic dagger
I'd have my core team for like, overworld
But if I'm hitting a specific dungeon-type thing, I'd craft a team for dealing with it
The gyms in particular would have terrain that massively benefits them
manic kindle
Ive really come to love hacks more in line with the Legacy series
Just more in the realm of contained, finished "intended experiences" based on the core journey formula
arctic dagger
And would run lots of coverage
signal glen
Speaking of hacks I should get back to Super Mariomon at some point.
arctic dagger
So the gym fights are very puzzle-like in figuring out how to deal with the benefits your opponent is getting.
Ohhhh, Super Mariomon is great
It's very core pokemon experience, just Mario
signal glen
Got to DK's kingdom
earnest nacelle
Pretty sure Kukui and N dont really count because they never really formally bec...
Yeah N was never inducted into the Hall of Fame
This is actually a minor plot point. It's why you have to fight Alder postgame.
sudden spade
She's BY FAR not the worst
Lance: "Behold my genius champion brain." Spams Agility against poison types until I get toxic'd and die because I 'know' psychic beats poison.
wispy yarrow
arctic dagger
17 minutes to explain "stored value error" lmao
(I understand if you don't code the rest is good explanation, but it would have been nice if they had a "Hey if you know coding it's this pretty common type of code error.")
sudden spade
I am watching a Simpsons youtuber (TheRealJims) do an extended video about 'what pokemon would fit each of the simpsons main cast if they ever did a crossover' and it's...remarkably high effort for that concept. Like he straight up commissioned art for each of them.
karmic imp
Cool!
runic umbra
Moe's spot on.
soft isleBOT
so we're gunning for the shiny charm in ZA and we had an amusing idea
we could Do Statistics on our Royale runs, tracking how many wins we get per night and what not
karmic imp
CW, humorous video about eating pokemon, classifying which ones she'd do so
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQqezlESD4s||
fickle thicket
she's like me fr
snow cobalt
signal glen
arctic dagger
It's... Pokemon Animal Crossing?
Cute
Also, Ghost/Electric pikachu
Lets goooooo
signal glen
round perch
torpid pivot
is it just a dead pika
vernal rapids
no its just very sickly
or actually maybe it is I saw someone speaking authoritatively about what these pokemon forms are meant to represent but now I notice there was no source and I can't find one myself
it almost might be an individual character and not a species? the game its from isn't a traditional pokemon game and while these variants will probably in other future games it's not a guarantee
round perch
Honestly, I want them to do this more. Introduce new mons in ways that aren't a mainline game.
mellow robin
signal glen
It did
I don't think it's even available in anything other than Go, same with evolving.
languid lichen
I don't think it's even available in anything other than Go, same with evolving.
no, it was available in gen 8
via transference
languid lichen
ah, yeah to that
snow cobalt
earnest nacelle
Peakychu 🥺
fickle thicket
Also, Ghost/Electric pikachu
I think those are special NPCs
like the professor
and not actual variants
signal glen
timber vale
I watch so much blunder that "keeps the head busy" is becoming part of my default lexicon
soft isleBOT
pliant violet
@worthy raft
worthy raft
it's always nice to get representation in media.............
runic umbra
shroomish is another one of those designs that are just perfect
manic kindle
love the noise it makes
soft isleBOT
Shroomish our beloved
timber vale
earnest nacelle
Accurate
arctic dagger
fickle thicket
earnest nacelle
...OH
I get it now
Sophocles's English name is because the RL Sophocles wrote Electra
karmic imp
azure crane
signal glen
earnest nacelle
Ever think about how Ash's Charmeleon evolved into Charizard while fighting Aerodactyl
Which turned his 2x Rock weakness into a 4x one
arctic dagger
No
earnest nacelle
Fair.
arctic dagger
The anime only vaguely acknowledges the type charts tbh
Pikachu regularly KOs ground types with electric moves
languid lichen
not regularly, but like
signal glen
Aim for the horn!
languid lichen
enough times to force acknowledgement
signal glen
Or activating the sprinkler system
languid lichen
the anime type chart is like
"vaguely games-adjacent, except (anime) physics ensue"
sudden spade
Ever think about how Ash's Charmeleon evolved into Charizard while fighting Aero...
Ash's Charmeleon was very smart.
He knew Aerodactyl could do nothing to exploit that weakness.
languid lichen
lmfao i forgot even ancientpower was gen 2
soft isleBOT
https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/earn-chesnaughtite-in-pokemon-legends-z-a-ranked-battles-season-3 oh my gods Zygarde will be legal
earnest nacelle
He knew Aerodactyl could do *nothing* to exploit that weakness.
Oh
fickle thicket
The anime only vaguely acknowledges the type charts tbh
Newer seasons do it more
south laurel
Hot take: we should get a Gastrodon evolution that is Steel/Water, based on the scaly-foot gastropod
arctic dagger
Isn't that just Magcargo bascially?
Like, a Steel/Fire or a Water/Fire Magcargo maybe
soft isleBOT
Eviolite gastrodon…
arctic dagger
Oh god I just realized they said evolution
My brain immediately went to regional form
trail bridge
Hot take: we should get a Gastrodon evolution that is Steel/Water, based on the ...
Tbf hisuian goodra is a scaly foot snail
That's why they're steel type as well
torpid pivot
I was undersold on what a strange beast Jacinthe turned out to be, this woman is perfect
azure crane
Gen I learnsets are fucking bonkers and it's a miracle the series survived it.
vernal rapids
It wasn't a competitive game when it was released
manic kindle
they work just fine for playing the game and getting pokemon 'as intended'
it just looks funny to open a wiki and see, idk, ponyta not learning a move until lv30
snow cobalt
I wonder when in development they decided to add "and you can fight your friends"
...probably pretty early actually, thinking of the beetle fighting inspiration
manic kindle
fickle thicket
I need to roll them up NOW
sullen mesa
bug rollup noise
arctic dagger
Chesnaught seeing modern success is so cool
Bulletproof just being so stronk
Making Gengar, Galarian Slow, Dragapult, Cinderace, Goldengo into good matchups
languid lichen
does gbro not run psychic?
arctic dagger
Not consistently
Future Sioght/Psychic Noise/Psyshock they'll often run 1/3, but Future Sight obz can be played around to some degree, psychic noise is less offensively impressive, and psyshock is hitting your great defense stat
Which you invest in because you're using body press as your offense
languid lichen
makes sense, yep
arctic dagger
Gking btw, not Gbro
Is the one you're worried about
Of the 3, you're obviously most worried about Psychic Noise
Since you're often running Synthesis for bulk healing
But it's not the worst, since Gking is kinda rarely investing in spatk even
So yeah, it's not a HUGE deal, Gking does have other options vs you, but forcing into its psychic moveset instead of its more dangerous sludge bomb is good
And ofc if you can predict they're forced into their psychic moveset to make any progress
That's abusable too
They can go off-stab for flamethrower or ice beam, which they'll often run at least one of though
earnest nacelle
Gengar doesn't run Sludge Wave?