This is cool. (From https://www.phixiv.net/en/artworks/128035581 )
#POKÉMON CENTER
azure crane
snow cobalt
pliant violet
so true
azure crane
snow cobalt
@glacial ore
fickle thicket
Dot's cute mom.
fickle thicket
why are you all so quiet. you know i'm right.
azure crane
Is it actually canon that Arven is the son of Sada and Turo, and the professor you didn't pick left the one you did, or is it just implied?
deft path
Is it actually canon that Arven is the son of Sada and Turo, and the professor y...
it is explicitly canon that arven is the son of those two professors and the other one divorced and left, yes
azure crane
Ahh, good.
deft path
its also a paradox
the reason that they leave is because the other professor becomes stuck in the time machine work
but the reason they started the time machine is because YOU the player told them about paradox pokemon in the past
azure crane
A game about time travel having a paradox? GASP
manic kindle
Its pretty delightful
obtuse ravine
pliant violet
one is cool
azure crane
Maybe it'll get tagged in things once Calyrex-S stops terrorizing every format it's in.
obtuse ravine
obtuse ravine
https://bsky.app/profile/katrittaja.bsky.social/post/3lmnfhoc2x22r
I forgot to mention that i really like this art because my favs are together 💖
soft isleBOT
Unrelated, I am forcing Sophia to play through Black 2 and it is going very well
There are so many cute silly little guys! This is great fun!
pliant violet
name something after me
soft isleBOT
I haven't nicknamed anything though...
soft isleBOT
Got it 👍
arctic dagger
Mega Hydreigon should have 9 heads
soft isleBOT
good choice
Rose (It/Its) | The Labrynth Doll ↩️
round perch
azure crane
pliant violet
pliant violet
https://youtu.be/g_ek_JuSMVo?si=tkw-VCVApuk74dIE v cool
this was a very fun video
crude moon
trail bridge
|| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx06OtUhy30 || Scarlet Violet Spoilers
i love this song
toby fox did a hella lotta good work with it
torpid pivot
Scarlet demake with 2d graphics you can still explore it's fine
soft isleBOT
We assume they meant the games (presumably the performance and the glitches, though from what we remember from Rose's playthrough a lot of the glitches were patched out)
arctic dagger
Yeah I think it works fine personally
I wish the graphics were less garbage personally
But that's not it not working
soft isleBOT
Honestly I think the games would feel like they were missing something if they were in 2d rather than 3d
AIM away message (she/they) ↩️
arctic dagger
My main mechanical complaint is the paradox Pokemon power creep
It's just so many added legendary level Pokemon who all have the same setup and item functionalities
azure crane
It'd be interesting if they, and the Ultra Beasts, got hidden abilities from existing in the world.
azure crane
fickle thicket
next week's episode preview has the funniest frame that I can't show because of spoilers
soft isleBOT
@glacial ore
Zemyla recommends UNCLE 🔔 ↩️
snow cobalt
pliant violet
holy shit
snow cobalt
i know right
azure crane
honest cairn
Love his work the claydol museum Dogu piece is a favorite
signal glen
wispy yarrow
languid lichen
yeah that's a hippowdon
crude moon
where tf is there a cat or rabbit in that
soft isleBOT
Definitely a hippowdon.
umbral hound
thinking about the potential feasability of thundurus-t
thinking about theorycrafting teambuilding.
something with a rain team, possibly shoehorning in sableye to win weather wars with slow prankster rain dance?
The problem with thundurus-t is that why would you play it when you could just play miraidon instead
mellow robin
ground immunity
umbral hound
Yeah and it's also not weak to fairy, but... is that worth it?
mellow robin
do earthquake stuff alongside it I think
I think that's the value proposition
discharge heals it, that's potentially Something
umbral hound
probably. If Thundurus had any good flying moves that would be meaningful but the only flying-type moves it learns are Acrobatics and Fly.
mellow robin
I think you use it as a ground-immune electric or something
idk I think that's a trait that gives it something interesting
umbral hound
It's ground-immune and electric-immune and it can hit both enemies and not its ally with Wildbolt Storm, but you want to put it next to a ground-type for earthquake anyway.
umbral hound
I also mean, if it's next to a ground-type, there's no disadvantage to discharge's side-targeting. So...
mellow robin
are there any ground types that like rain?
umbral hound
uhhh.
languid lichen
mega swampert
umbral hound
Um. There are water/ground types I guess?
languid lichen
regular seismitoad
umbral hound
Is seismitoad even in s/v?
languid lichen
don't think so
umbral hound
and my water/ground type of choice would usually be gastrodon just because I like gastrodon.
and am convinced it can Do Something.
mellow robin
hmmm
being a volt absorb mon seems like it could pair nicely with pelipper, maybe
rip ally switch
umbral hound
I wish we had alolan marowak for lightning rod on a funny body.
mellow robin
okay tera water thundurus might be fun
since volt absorb keeps you safe vs electric and idk if grass is popular right now
and it gives you a stab to hit ground types if you want to take a break from electric spam
flips your ice weakness into a resist too
trying to think what ground type you'd want with this as your quaker
probably tailwind/hurricane/water stab of choice pelipper is your weather setter since most of your team doesn't have swift swim
umbral hound
tera water is popular; grass isn't that popular but there's always Rillaboom and Ogerpon.
is your water stab on Thundurus-T Weather Ball? Genuinely that might be the best option rather than Tera Blast.
mellow robin
yeah that does sound good
hmm
I think it'd be funny to try to have some mon with volt switch just so you can side-attack to heal your thundurus
umbral hound
that seems bad. Just do discharge strats. And I think volt absorb will stop the other mon from actually switching? I know type immunity does.
deft path
okay tera water thundurus might be fun
since volt absorb keeps you safe vs elect...
Grass is hugely popular mostly due to endless rilla
pliant violet
okay tera water thundurus might be fun
since volt absorb keeps you safe vs elect...
Grass is never popular
umbral hound
Ogerpon and Rillaboom.
pliant violet
Grass is hugely popular mostly due to endless rilla
That’s not grass being popular
umbral hound
It's just those two. It's not super popular otherwise but those two are worth caring about.
pliant violet
You don’t take grass because it’s good, you take grass because those two are good
umbral hound
Tera grass also sometimes comes up to stop specifically spore and rage powder.
azure crane
Why are there so many flying types with no good flying stab?
umbral hound
because there aren't enough good flying moves period, and mose of the ones that do exist are evocative of wings being flapped (like Air Slash) and so wingless mons don't "make sense" to use it.
mellow robin
that seems bad. Just do discharge strats. And I think volt absorb will stop th...
hmmm
I thought volt switch was more commonly distributed than it is fsr
double electric comp with discharge + wildbolt storm does seem good yeah
damn, there's no electric swift swimmer
umbral hound
discharge + storm drain/lightningrod (now that it also boosts)/motor drive is pretty reasonable.
umbral hound
damn, there's no electric swift swimmer
Uh... Heliolisk has Dry Skin? That technically synergizes with rain but ick.
umbral hound
I feel bad saying ick about heliolisk because he's a Funny Little Dude but at the same time, do you want to be using him?
azure crane
Yeah, Gyarados has to do Tera Blast Flying to get a Flying Stab.
umbral hound
Yeah, Gyarados has to do Tera Blast Flying to get a Flying Stab.
so did Landorus-T for a while
Spicy, and interesting to run a fire type in a rain team.
lunar hinge
I feel bad saying ick about heliolisk because he's a Funny Little Dude but at th...
Poor Heliolisk, not that great in the game it's introduced in cause it also has Mega Ampharos.
deft path
something with a rain team, possibly shoehorning in sableye to win weather wars ...
I think the issue here is that nobody is doing slow prankster rain dance tbh
You're preparing for something which will never realistically happen because people just use switch setters for weather or thundurus
Thundurus t is also generally unused because no prankster
umbral hound
the advantage of a slow prankster rain setter is winning weather wars against faster prankster rain setters. The disadvantage is that the scenario I've just described does not matter.
deft path
the advantage of a slow prankster rain setter is winning weather wars against fa...
Wouldn't. This just result in rain anyway.
umbral hound
Faster prankster sunny day users, I meant but did not say.
umbral hound
If you both use different weather moves, you want to be slower.
umbral hound
Who's using sunny day prankster tho lmao
Behold: the issue with this entire plan.
Why set sun with a move when there's so many good drought/orichalcum pulse mons?
You could prankster set rain on top of ability-set sun to turn off their weather (or vice versa) but, again, that's kind of niche.
And you'd do it with a faster prankster mon.
umbral hound
I am once more consciously realizing that whenever you have a pokemon battle with an NPC teammate, you always get full healed right beforehand. Presumably there is some technical reason for this but I don't know what it is.
covert saffron
POKÉMON CENTER
made more sense idk why i never did this to begin with
chat
in a rom hack with limited space
would you rather see:
- the three members of the pikachu line
- dedenne and emolga
covert saffron
I just think they're neat
boooo
arctic dagger
Yeah I'd rather see none of those tbh
Pikachu and Alolan Raichu and then something different
arctic dagger
Pawmi line or Pikachu/Raichu(One or both) and then free up slots for others
Or do different typed pikachus and buff their stats maybe
Since we have the historical precedence of Flying type balloon pikachu, etc
Which I'd rather have a balloon pikachu with flying/electric over an emolga for instance
XD
manic kindle
would you rather see:
- the three members of the pikachu line
- dedenne and emol...
dedenne and emolga
covert saffron
in fairness emolga + dedenne works as they’re not both mice. so having those two and having them serve totally different aesthetic and gameplay roles might be the move
arctic dagger
I generally think you don't need three early route electric types that don't scale
It's why pawmi is overall better imo because it actually is useful late game
They're all single Evo low bst
And unless it's doubles it's hard to find places for those kind of Pokemon at all
If it is they can give you some useful move access for doubles
crude moon
the optimal choice is flaafy/ampharos, of course
arctic dagger
I'd rather see like the galvantula line
Fairly unique typing, the preevo can be placed pretty early
Evolves later to maintain usefulness on your team
covert saffron
I'd rather see like the galvantula line
galvantula definitely got a spot on the roster i think
spare wing
So I picked up Pokemom Unbound like a week ago
Legit been playing it non stop
It is, by far, the best Rom hack I've ever played
dusk bison
It's why pawmi is overall better imo because it actually is useful late game
Togedemaru erasure
signal glen
I should play Infinite Fusion again. Haven't played since they added Necrozma.
arctic dagger
It is, by far, the best Rom hack I've ever played
It's pretty good!
I dislike the lack of speed ev/iv fixing
For the higher difficulties
manic kindle
Unbound is cool, its just too much for me
spare wing
I thought it would be to, speaking as someone whose not played seriously since like HeartGold
But it actually spaces things out really well
Like I dunno what a Dynamax or Megaevolution is
But now I do
near flower
can an immobilized mech be puppet system'd
accidentally asked that in the wrong spot thyme half ping to let you know if u didnt already
worldly plume
accidentally asked that in the wrong spot thyme half ping to let you know if u d...
thank you i didnt realize that haha
covert saffron
dedenne is little guy :o
gen 2 style sprite of him i found by a guy mikhaelcool7 on reddit
big fan
he seems like an acceptable early midgamer to plop into the roster
where do we land on dhelmise, gang
anchor bro
wispy yarrow
arctic dagger
As in, I thought it did have that?
Not simple/easy. There's no "Hey all my IVs are perfect and I can adjust EVs at will" buttons
Dhelmise is fine
Steelworker is cool
spare wing
Well there's sandbox mode that let's you do that
Or you can get the perfect ditto from a mission
And you get all the ev training items, can chain for at least 3 perfect IVs
And I think an NPC can do it for you to
signal glen
crude moon
does anyone else have an irrational dislike of raging bolt
tiger head on brontosaurus body just looks really dumb imo
soft isleBOT
honestly I really like it. It’s probably my favorite of the three
lunar hinge
Making them dinosaurs was a neat idea but their where plenty of neat prehistoric mammals they could have borrowed from instead.
snow cobalt
I think it's probably supposed to be a weird choice
kind of an uncanny effect
sullen mesa
he's peak curveball pokemon design
crude moon
TIL america exists in pokemon
signal glen
The Lightning American
crude moon
xatu's pokedex in SoulSilver says "In South America, it is said that its right eye sees the future and its left eye views the past."
i know pokedex entries canonically aren't accurate
crude moon
but the text was still written by someone in the world aiui
languid lichen
well, i guess we have more than just unova and orre to look forward to
eventually
...i want more Orre
manic kindle
The Pokedex automatically records data, so it tends to be accurate or pulling/referencing legends and folktales.
crude moon
since so many pokedex entries are nonsensical (like magcargo's temperature being 18,000 degrees), it was a pretty common fan theory that the entries are either written by the kid or the dex is bad at generating them
gen 8 basically confirmed that, since the misassembled fossil pokemon have entries as if they had actually existed in the wild, which are comedically contradictory
manic kindle
Yeah, because thats just true info the 'Dex is pulling from its scan.
It is a frankenstein beast with both things true
its pretty fun
crude moon
how is a nonexistent pokemon's place in its prehistoric ecosystem true information
manic kindle
It is pulling from both halves of the fossil; the dex scans it, gets these two readings, and thats the entry.
The full entry together is not some magical truth, but in this specific case the dex is correct in the wrong ways
Not sure how else to explain it
signal glen
The Rotom in the dex just making stuff up.
manic kindle
I can only go by what the games say as truth, which is that the Pokedex scans and automatically records this data.
I suppose that itself can be interpreted any number of ways.
snow cobalt
i'd think of it as a google summary, basically
manic kindle
sorry if i seem like a killjoy on this its one of the few pokemon things that really rustles my jimmies and gets spread like wildfire despite not being true
manic kindle
its one of the few lines in the sand i have to draw for myself haha
crude moon
like. there are quite a few entries that are objectively impossible and/or directly contradicted by what you see in the game
manic kindle
We see Pokemon enjoy fun battles through the lens of the protagonist; we typically don't do anything in the game that would even result in these entries coming up.
That said i'm gunna disengage here
crude moon
if you evolve an abra into a kadabra, you know that kadabra came from an abra instead of a sleeping boy 🤷♀️
i never thought it was that controversial that dex entries aren't accurate
arctic dagger
It generally isn't tbh
But if they need them to be true to have fun that's fine
They can be true for them, Pokemon is so insanely full of contradictions and competing lore bits
snow cobalt
i never thought it was that controversial that dex entries aren't accurate
This makes it more frustrating, is the thing
manic kindle
I think that is a very unfair way to talk about me.
snow cobalt
The generally accepted fanon of it
arctic dagger
There's almost certainly a version of Pokemon Canon where magcargo is hotter than the sun
And not killing everything near it because it controls the heat
On the other hand it's important to me that they aren't real because some things like the mega descriptions just would make me very sad
languid lichen
The generally accepted fanon of it
is it fanon? i don't think anything's ever like, gone out and said all of them are universally true despite the contradictions
i think it's just general assumptions on any end
because there're no definitive statements
snow cobalt
I think the whole premise of the pokedex is much weaker if it's wildly unreliable
arctic dagger
I just generally handwave it in the general idea that the Pokemon Canon is in no way consistent
And doesn't try to be tbh
Pokemon works far more off rule of cool than anything else
languid lichen
On the other hand it's important to me that they aren't real because some things...
isn't that just gen 7 being super spiteful to megas?
arctic dagger
But I'm used to the 40k Canon where nothing is true but everything is canon
crude moon
the whole premise of the pokedex is that professors give them to children to generate excitement and passion for collecting and training pokemon
and silly/flashy descriptions are more appealing to kids
snow cobalt
i disagree
arctic dagger
I think the actual debate about whether or not they're true is a thing we should stop
Since people asked us not to
And why I was talking about general truthiness and Canon in Pokemon rather than the specific of Pokedex
umbral hound
you know what is weird? Why are there two dark-type physical attacks which involve bowing down in imitation of surrender to make the opponent lower their guard, and then attacking with the top of the user's head, which are guaranteed to hit?
False Surrender and Kowtow Cleave are basically the same move. Except Kowtow Cleave has 5 more BP.
soft isleBOT
Signature moves really do be like that sometimes
umbral hound
it's just weird that they did it twice
umbral hound
yeah it's just unexpected how similar they are.
...I've also flashbanged myself by remembering that time Penny called the PC's mom hot and I don't think I'll ever get over that.
pliant violet
that's grimmsnarl and kingambit right?
so personal take but I like the proliferation of signature moves and abilities in later generations
things to give an even more personal touch to a mon
wild thorn
...I've also flashbanged myself by remembering that time Penny called the PC's m...
Biggest disaster lesbian in Paldea
sudden spade
Well, the PC's family tree is weirder than I thought.
pliant violet
look
umbral hound
...I want a new Pokemon Mystery Dungeon game. A real proper new one.
Bonus points if it includes Ultra Beasts. Or delves into legendary pokemon lore for a legendary pokemon who was kind of secondary in their original game... which, currently, seems to be what the Legends games are for. But, idk, pick a legendary or mythical which never got involved in too much and make it a super important character. Make Diancie the source of mega stones or something.
obsidian stump
omg a Mystery Dungeon game focused on the Ultra Beasts would be amazing
umbral hound
it would, yes.
I can imagine a store being ran by all three Meowths.
I know Kecleons are the shopkeepers, but like... a weird in-town shop.
maybe they have a weird cycling inventory or something.
I also want a Sableye shopkeeper, just because Sableye's a funny gremlin and my favorite pokemon. Maybe he opens locked chests (well, that'd be Klefki) or buys stuff for gems instead of traditional money or some other weird service.
Also I know that Pelipper delivers mail, but the idea of a Toedscool running around with a mailbag amuses me to no end...
Actually. You know what oft-forgotten pokemon would make a really cool important NPC?
pliant violet
Door guard at the expedition society
umbral hound
Possibly! I was thinking like a mystical escort or something, but door guard also works well.
crude moon
mellow robin
Door guard at the expedition society
he stands over the door like he's a doorway
walk through his legs to get in
azure crane
covert saffron
in a rom hacking context, if i've got a realistic max of 252 pokémon to fill the dex, is it worth including eevee and its evolutions? that's 8 out of 252. that's a lot of mons
crude moon
why is that your realistic max?
covert saffron
it'sa gen 2 rom hack babeyyyy
crude moon
ah
covert saffron
because i'm a feral dog
lunar hinge
Gun to my head I would maybe cut Sylveon and the Sinnoh eeveelutions.
covert saffron
so far they’re out
i think the issue is they’re very classic, very core, very GOOD, pokemon. so they’re incredibly centralising
for 9 slots you could have, say, heracross, a pseudo legendary line, the porygon line, and a two-stage line of early game normal types or smth
but the alternative is 8 endgame-viable, well designed, fan favourite mons
lunar hinge
Yeah like. You're doing a Johto fan games you've got to include the Johto evolutions and the original three are just gimmes so that's six slots taken up.
pliant violet
i think the issue is they’re very classic, very core, very GOOD, pokemon. so the...
They’re not that good
exotic garden
they're pretty good on a casual playthrough
high stats compared to when you can evolve them, and they can become any mono-type you might need to fill out your team
imo it's fair to just include the first 5 for a gen 2 romhack
funny option: invent three new eeveelutions and do not give access to any normal eeveelutions
crude moon
have every pokemon in the game be gen 2 power level, except a mega rayquaza you can find in a random patch of tall grass
exotic garden
honestly, it'd be really funny to mostly stick to gen 1 and 2 mons, but to include 1% encounter rates for random late-gen pokemon in every area
walking through the woods and suddenly is that fucking hatterene
sullen mesa
as long as dunsparce is in
lunar hinge
add dundunsparce
snow cobalt
pliant violet
I always play cubone in those games
covert saffron
as long as dunsparce is in
dunsparce is in fact in
covert saffron
honestly, it'd be really funny to mostly stick to gen 1 and 2 mons, but to inclu...
this is basically what gen 2 did to begin with and it’s one of its worst traits
idk if i’ll include the eevees
that’s 9 slots, basically a 25th of the roster, spent on one family of lil guys
karmic imp
Oh? Trying to find a good playthrough to watch yet, so I dunno her story
Nice to know
deft path
but the alternative is 8 endgame-viable, well designed, fan favourite mons
I wouldn't call them endgame viable
like they technically are
but they're not packing the same level of heat as an excadrill or dragonite
525bst is good but their move pools and abilities tend to be just about average
azure crane
Also they tend to get fuck all for coverage.
If you don't have the physical/special split, you shouldn't even bother including Flareon, and that means no other Eeveelutions either.
arctic dagger
Eh
Jolteon is legit one of the best electric types
In gen1/2
Especially if you ignore Zapdos for being legendary
Not like there is a ton of options mind you
deft path
Also they tend to get fuck all for coverage.
well hence just about average move pools haha
its even worse in gen 2
but also in some ways better?
all of their types are special but this also means their normal type learnset is shit
manic kindle
(original) gen2 also delays access to evo stones for a long time
crude moon
yooo
whenever i've dabbled in pokemon showdown in the past, i've settled on teams that are something like "2 mons i think are pretty cool, the rest i'm indifferent on"
now there's a real OU team that's "2 of my favorite mons ever, 4 i think are pretty cool"
crude moon
mimikyu is my #1 favorite pokemon, azumarill is one of my favorites
arctic dagger
Ah yeah I mean, both of those have seen high level comp play before
Imposter and huge power are both nuts
crude moon
mimikyu hasn't really been good in a while, but it's a very good trick room setter
arctic dagger
Yeah, but it has been before so I'm not shocked to see it
crude moon
crude moon
pliant violet
bm
crude moon
eh, somewhat
I feel like pokemon showdown is one of the games where a bit of non-mean-spirited banter is ok
the screenshot probably wasn't worth posting, I just thought trick room against a trick room team was a bit funny
arctic dagger
I don't think just "thnx for trick room" is bm tbh
near flower
whats bm
crude moon
bad manners
near flower
i see
arctic dagger
soft isleBOT
We mean
They do actually have a gem texture covering them when they’ve terastalized, they just also have a hat on so it’s easy to tell what type they changed to
covert saffron
If you don't have the physical/special split, you shouldn't even bother includin...
based. extremely cutthroat. the eevees are out
excadrill is IN
eager vine
she's literally me
azure crane
obtuse ravine
http://batterut.tumblr.com/post/145630066960/mawile-and-her-mega
🥺 🥺
my favorite mega
languid lichen
waow
snow cobalt
incredible
near flower
twining
exotic garden
they are dating
fickle thicket
This too is toxic thunder wave yuri
spare wing
Hey folks, I'm looking for some recommendations.
I'm about to do my New Game+ of pokemon unbound, you get to bring a team of 6 with you who will keep their IVs, EVs and egg moves but will be leveled down and unevolved.
I'm looking for some recommendations of what to bring for fun, what pokemon do you guys think are the most fun or provide unique statergies between gen 1 and 7?
manic kindle
Before I suggest anything, what do you like doing in pokemon / what tickles your fancy
spare wing
Well I did my last run through on difficult with level scaling no battle items, but I got by with just stab type match up moves
Not like, an actual set up or strat
So I'm looking to play a bit differently using maybe fun abilities or move sets
I'll probably make it a randomizer to and bring back say 3 pokemon and see what else I discover
But maybe I'll run it the same again
manic kindle
Gluttony+Recycle or Harvest+Recycle is a lot of fun in runs imo, and you rarely get to do it in runs
spare wing
Whose good for that?
manic kindle
Alolan Muk and Exeggcutor (either, but Alolan funnier); also with harvest you dont need Recycle harvest is recycle itself
spare wing
Nice, I got An alolan muk already so that's an easy one
Are there some fun abilities you can think of? I enjoyed contrary serperior before
Maybe Corviknight with mirror?
manic kindle
using Prankster pokemon like Meowstic to trick bad items like Lagging Tail is funny; Corviknight's ability is really useful
wispy yarrow
"here, hold this" lopunny is great
spare wing
How's that work, Klutz I'm assuming and something else?
wispy yarrow
Klutz and the move Switcheroo
to swap held items
Lopunny hold toxic orb, lopunny swap
spare wing
Ah and that's an egg move, nice
wispy yarrow
That said, apparently it got changed later on to where if you use that strat on wild pokemon, the item is lost
but trainer pokemon item swaps aren't permanent
spare wing
I'll probably be fine against wilds
Oo I like Mimikyu to
For disguise
But I should probably think of a heavy hitter
manic kindle
a baton pass guy would also be nice
spare wing
Lopunny has pass but maybe isn't the best for it if I'm doing klutz stuff?
wispy yarrow
Fun items to give to your opponent
-Toxic Orb
-Life Orb(at your own risk)
-Assault Vest their setup
-Flame Orb
-Full Incense/Lagging Tail
-Sticky Barb
spare wing
Toxic seems like the best option
manic kindle
Lagging Tail is my go-to next to Toxic/Flame Orb
spare wing
So what I'm dark poison normal steel flying so far
So what types should I be looking for for coverage
Fairy?
manic kindle
im a big fan of having either a Fire-Water-Grass core or a Fairy-Dragon-Steel core
deft path
Hey folks, I'm looking for some recommendations.
I'm about to do my New Game+ o...
i love magearna, i'd also recommend chandelure
they're just really cool and fun pokemon
chandelure reallllly hits the glass cannon fantasy
pliant violet
chandelure is one of the best encounters you can get in any nuzlocke
azure crane
Fun items to give to your opponent
-Toxic Orb
-Life Orb(at your own risk)
-Assau...
How are you going to use Switcheroo with an Assault Vest?
azure crane
umbral hound
I guess that doesn't work lol
It would work if you have Klutz, which Lopunny does.
azure crane
Oh lmao I forgot about that.
covert saffron
http://batterut.tumblr.com/post/145630066960/mawile-and-her-mega
this BANGS
crude moon
(context: trick room was up for 3 turns and all 3 of their remaining pokemon were OHKOd by facade)
umbral hound
dang it noctowl's feet are wrong
pliant violet
Elaborate
pliant violet
Pink pony club the bear zone
arctic dagger
They're facing opposite directiosn IIRC?
honest cairn
i dont see anything wrong with it
umbral hound
noctowl's feet are anisodactyl. Owls are zygodactyl.
(I missed the message at first) Rowlet's evolutionary line has correctly shaped feet, but not Noctowl. (I'm giving Hoothoot a pass because its foot's so weird.)
or, to translate: most birds, and by extension most bird pokemon, have three toes pointed forwards and one pointed backwards. Real owls, though, have 2 toes pointed forwards and 2 pointed backwards. Noctowl, however, has the 3 forwards/1 backwards toe arrangement.
eager vine
i think they're fine
umbral hound
I tried to find a picture of real owl feet to contrast with and this one looks... more similar than I would expect with the toe positioning on one foot:
but I'd normally expect something more like this, which Rowlet's line has:
arctic dagger
Maybe it varies based on type of owl IDK
umbral hound
I don't think so but I'm not sure.
umbral hound
I have had two different versions of the same idea for PMD and I’m not sure which is better.
An NPC team, either Team Forest (consisting of Arboliva, Snover, and Sudowoodo) or Team Cheeks (consisting of Pachirisu, Emolga, and Mimikyu).
pliant violet
I get it, each team has a liar, that's cute
umbral hound
I imagine that they spend most of the game worrying they’ll be found out and kicked out, and then postgame it’s revealed the other team members knew the whole time and were accepting.
peak island
...I want a new Pokemon Mystery Dungeon game. A real proper *new* one.
Same...
spare wing
Ultra beasts is the next logical step especially lore wise
Like it's an in built reason for the whole amnesia human dimension travel thing again
And they'd make great boss fights
azure crane
I also want to see Ultra Beasts with personality.
crude moon
ice should resist ground, change my mind
azure crane
Ice should resist, well, anything really.
crude moon
yeah
I think ground and poison are the two that would make the most sense
but poison has it rough enough already
sudden spade
Resisting ground would be valuable
Earthquake never stopped being a cornerstone of good reliable moves.
eager vine
ice should resist ground, change my mind
ice should be super effective against steel
arctic dagger
Ice super effective vs steel and resists it would be neat
eager vine
mhm
umbral hound
ice and steel super effective against each other would also be interesting and strange.
azure crane
They should make Ice resist Dragon.
umbral hound
I have discovered a problem for future Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games.
You get assigned a pokesona based on a personality quiz giving you a Nature. Usually the options are all the possible starters, plus a few more.
There are 25 natures in Pokemon. There are, as of the most recent generation, 27 starter pokemon alone.
spare wing
Doesn't seem like a big issue
The quiz is semi random anyway due to the question pool you get
A few can have overlapping nature's, maybe a tie breaker questions or something
You can also manually decide in the latest one iirc
umbral hound
Yeah, true. You could even make it so that some of the options can only be chosen manually, if you really want.
...you know what would be really cool, but also a lot of work for minimal gain? If your results in the personality quiz affected your dialogue at a few points. Nothing major; just, like, the difference between timidly agreeing to go into the dungeon and eagerly agreeing to go into the dungeon. Wording tweaks.
spare wing
That'd be neat
Not too crazy to do in a text based game to
You could narrow it down to less than 25 nature's to
Group it into neutral and one for each buffed stat
obsidian stump
They should make Ice resist Dragon.
Hot take: not only should it resist dragon, it should also be super effective against and resist fairy
crude moon
counterpoint
lunar hinge
They should make more good ice types.
sudden spade
Too many ice types are Slow Bulky Mons.
arctic dagger
Ice is a pretty strong offensive type tbh
I think if more of them were fast and killy it would be fine
soft isleBOT
So more Chien-Pao and less Avalugg?
lunar hinge
Yeah, Ice isn't bad, it's just there's vanishingly few mons that take advantage of it's actual strengths.
arctic dagger
And some of the ones that do traditionally end up banned
Like froslass
To be fair, lmao evasion strategies but
But like, mamoswine, the early bulky water/ice types like lapras, cloyster, weavile...
A pretty high % of ice types are actually pretty good
It's just it's one of the least popular types in the game
And that some otherwise pretty cool Pokemon just have a billion weaknesses because of the ice type
arctic dagger
Yeah for sure, I was listing onea that worked
Ones
But like it's actually a lot of them have been good at some point
pliant violet
you know what I like? pokemon that're carried almost entirely by a signature move or ability
sneasler comes to mind
umbral hound
I mean, is Sneasler entirely carried by Dire Claw?
...I could argue Terapagos if I was being pedantic because it has a form change ability technically for no reason other than making its stat screen lie to you, but Mimikyu might be a better example.
pliant violet
not entirely but it's definitely the biggest factor for it
a better example is smeargle
umbral hound
Galarian Darmanitan is funny because it has two abilities and got slightly carried by both arguably.
pliant violet
gorilla tactics and?
sudden spade
My ultimate desire would be a SDef version of Body Press for ice. Yes, this is like 100% because I want Articuno to be happy but still 😛
languid lichen
gorilla tactics and?
its version of zen mode
makes it fire type, massive speed boost
pliant violet
ah
covert saffron
chat plead the case for an underrated pokemon which should be in my rom hack
covert saffron
IN
soft isleBOT
Hell yeah
honest cairn
I'm a giant claydol fan but I'm not sure its underrated persay
It's not super popular
My Awesome Dogu guy
umbral hound
I don't know if sableye is underrated per se, and I'm not sure if it'd be good in a romhack context rather than competitive, but... scrungly. Liddol alien gremlin.
languid lichen
sableye is extremely popular afaik
crude moon
are ampharos and trevenant underrated?
soft isleBOT
We’re pretty sure amphy and co are decently well loved, trevenant is definitely not talked about much though
covert saffron
phantump and trevenant
pumpkaboo and gourgeist
man i missed a beat there
regional form of bronzor and bronzong or nah
soft isleBOT
As the resident bronzong fan I say yes
mellow robin
beyblade bronzor
covert saffron
coin bronzor
and then maybe like
horn bronzong
idk what you’d change the typing to
umbral hound
steel/fighting maybe? Or, if it's not a metal coin, you could do psychic/something else, or even pure psychic? I dunno.
umbral hound
You could, but that might risk theme collision with chimecho. (Which... chimecho feels underappreciated, but maybe not, but maybe only because I was just looking at PMD Explorers of Sky stuff and Chimecho appears there?)
covert saffron
i am including chimecho and chingling
going for a decently mystical spread of pokemon
in theory. i’ll likely never get round to actually making a full rom hack but planning one out is a fun exercise nonetheless
pliant violet
they don't miss
sullen mesa
plumsparce...
azure crane
covert saffron
plumsparce...
my old fakemon dunsparce evo was called “dunsplenty” and was a similar vibe to this
“what if dunsparce but big”
snow cobalt
covert saffron
do hunters, as in your traditional real world expectation of a hunter, exist in pokemon?
what is team rocket’s deal? are they trafficking pokemon? is that the plan? what’s their racket
they tried to steal a fossil the first time you meet them, then they’re running a bridge scam, then they’re doing some shit with ghosts, then they’re running a casino????, then they’re stealing the master ball, then they’re secretly behind the final gym in the pokemon league!!!
WHAT !!1!
worldly plume
Theyre the mafia
covert saffron
then in the second game they’re cutting off the tails of slowpoke, then they have a secret base and are forcing magikarp to evolve, then they’re taking over the radio tower to try and get their former leader to rally to their cause again
and then when a teenager thwarts that they just quit
nonsense
incomprehensible, have a nice day
sorry
just some intrusive thoughts i’ve been having
arctic dagger
then in the second game they’re cutting off the tails of slowpoke, then they hav...
They're the yakuza.
Remember the Yakuza in JP has historically just been ALL of the organized crime
And has been... Relatively benign as organized crime goes I guess?
I think the implication is supposed to be that this is them going off the deep end but maybe there was like, a healthy version?
I mean, it's less a teenager and more "Teams of super powered pokemon"
The protagonists of pokemon games are CLEARLY abnormal if we take the pokemon world for granted
And not the like, "Everyone is playing with kid gloves for the kids on their first journey" thing
umbral hound
Also, as I understand it, it was less “Team Rocket controls the last gym” and more “a single individual controls both Team Rocket and the last gym, separately”.
wispy yarrow
I liked the Manga's take on it where Team Rocket had people in the gyms like, helping to facilitate their underworld nonsense
covert saffron
Also, as I understand it, it was less “Team Rocket controls the last gym” and mo...
can’t believe my post has been fact checked by true kanto region patriots
wispy yarrow
Also wasn't the guy who tried to catch Celebi in the movie a straight up hunter
covert saffron
I liked the Manga's take on it where Team Rocket had people in the gyms like, he...
yeah this slapped
i should get the manga
wispy yarrow
Manga good
covert saffron
Also wasn't the guy who tried to catch Celebi in the movie a straight up hunter
he’s cool
covert saffron
what’s some cool legendaries to hypothetically centre a game around or region around
wispy yarrow
I love how his Togepi hatched out as a fucking delinquent
so good
anyone who shoots pokeballs with a pool cue has +1000% aura
worldly plume
fashionista Ruby was cool
manic kindle
what’s some cool legendaries to hypothetically centre a game around or region ar...
i always like the Regis
arctic dagger
I always felt like the regis never got enough attention/love
Also shoutout to most mythicals to only ever be postgame content
It'd be cool for them to get to be "box legendaries"
Arceus I think is the big one who has had several games about them
sudden spade
They were a mix of 'annoying as hell to find' + 'Most of them were never great'. It's like what...Regieleki and Regidraco that have any notable usage?
'Welcome to the regis. We have: Slow defensive rock type. Slow Defensive Ice type. Really slow normal type...oh...'
arctic dagger
Regice has seen play.
Regice can pure wall some things
200 spdf is kinda crazy
It's *mostly" outperformed by the Blissey line, but there are reasons to run it instead in certain circumstances.
sudden spade
I think the issue Regice and Regirock had when they first came out was 'Hey, you're a defensive pokemon with a non-defensive type and no recovery'
pliant violet
Regileki sees play
arctic dagger
Yeah that was one of the ones mentioned
arctic dagger
I don't remember what the scenario Regice got used, but I remember it was.
I think maybe when terrains were huge with Ice Spinner?
sudden spade
Regirock: "What's my biggest offensive STAB? Oh fuck, it's stone edge or Rock slide. That's not a good sign."
arctic dagger
Rock type in general is really weird tbh
The lack of physical accurate moves has always been just weird for it
It's such a strong offensive type... When any pokemon has any options that are reliable
sudden spade
To be fair to Regirock: It got body press in later gens as a TM move. XD
And def 200 body press can hit pretty damn hard
arctic dagger
The highest power rock move that's 100% accurate TO THIS DAY that isn't a signature move is still only 80 power
Power Gem
XD
The next is ancient power at 60
sudden spade
Which is also a Special Move, when a lot of rock pokemon are attack over spattack
arctic dagger
Which is ALSO a special move
If you want a rock type accurate physical move you have to go all the way down to..... Fuck, SMack down at 50 power?
Rock is the rarest type among all pokemon moves
Only 26 total rock type moves
It's crazy
sudden spade
Rock Tomb at 95%, 60 power I think is generally their 'accurate' move
sudden spade
There needs to be more 'Just huck a fucking rock at him' moves. XD
arctic dagger
7
So if you discount Z and Max moves, there's only 19 total rock type moves
5 of those are non-damaging, so we're down to 14 rock type moves
Of those, 5 are signature moves
So there are 9 damaging non-signature rock type moves
That are generic
Head Smash, Rock Wrecker, Meteor Beam, Stone Edge, Power Gem, Rock Slide, Ancient Power, Rock Tomb, Rock Throw, Smack Down, Rollout, Rock Blast
It's easy to see why running dice and Rock Blast is so common
sudden spade
It's also funny that Power Gem is likely the Best Rock Move about when so few rock pokemon get it
manic kindle
genuinely when it comes to making a romhack/in game usage i dont give a shit if it sees play, they're cool and they have great lore
making the focus of a game's legendary lore/region on all the Regis would be sweet as hell
arctic dagger
Corsola, Nosepass, Lunatone, Gigalith, Carbink/Diancie, Minior, Nihilego, Glimmora
More not-rock pokemon get Power Gem than rock pokemon
Of those, a significant % are either physical attackers or just bad at attacking
sudden spade
I do think pokemon could do with a solid Special Atacker Rock Pokemon. That would be fun.
Lunatone is theoretically that.
sudden spade
'Iki forgetting it exists' :p
arctic dagger
😄
I mean the 4x ground weakness is pretty rough
But most ground moves trigger Toxic Debris at least
And can run Toxic Spikes, Spikes, and Stealth Rock
So you're not sure what it's setting up
Or if it is, it could just hit you REALLY HARD
130 spatk nothing to scoff at
sudden spade
Clearly they need to introduce levitate as a new hidden ability for Glimmora just to mess with people.
arctic dagger
Shrug IDK if you'd run it much even tbh
Toxic Debris is so nuts
"Oh yeah, hit me with that earthquake twice, would be a pity if... Your entire team was badly poisoned on entry..."
I guess it'd be nice for the nuzlockers
pokemon power in nuzlocking is always so funny because it's SO different from any other type of pokemon in a lot of ways
Like, stats good, but in doubles and singles and even normal play, there's so many things where certain pokemon are just ddesigned to be sacrificed
And sometimes that's still good for getting through some encounters in nuzlocks, but it makes them single-use keys instead of super reliable
sullen mesa
“what if dunsparce but big”
gamefreak really knew the best design we got was to stick 2-3 dunsparce together
lunar hinge
They should made a 3rd evo called Dundundunsparce.
It has 4 segments and 1/100 chance of 5.
covert saffron
Manga good
i think my mum actually has mine at home somewhere
i should call and check
covert saffron
i always like the Regis
same BUT that’s largely driven by the mystery of it as a kid
covert saffron
Power Gem
and that’s special. a lot of rock types being physically oriented tanks this move
covert saffron
There needs to be more 'Just huck a fucking rock at him' moves. XD
rock blast with skill link goes hard
covert saffron
'Iki forgetting it exists' :p
REAL
snow cobalt
low speed high acceleration
crude moon
oh huh, I never knew that Ledian had messed up stats from a design typo. Sad that they never fixed it.
and "speed" is generally reflexes or initiative
purugly may not do the best in a race, but cats do have instant reflexes
miltank being so fast is very funny though
deft path
100 is pretty average speed for compettive
crude moon
being a competitive pokemon means it's significant above average
most pokemon do not have speed close to that high
lunar hinge
Yeah, speed is battle initiative, to literal speed. Of course the dragon guardian of earth isn't the fastest out there, it need to consider the appropriate level of force every time it attacks.
languid lichen
silly slash, the appropriate level of force is all of it, every time
manic kindle
Speed tiers are really neat
I loved messing with vgc tiers w/ trick room baselines and breakpoints
Tailwind breakpoints also
umbral hound
I saw Moxie Boosted's newest video on reg I. I wonder how well positioned Urshifu-Single Strike is?
crude moon
so what's the deal with Focus Blast?
it feels weird that they gave so many strong pokemon a renamed version of Splash
umbral hound
You expect your moves to hit, and so only notice when they don't.
crude moon
wdym?
i've used Focus Blast four times today, and it did what was expected all four times
just played a little animation that had no effect
umbral hound
missed moves don't play animations, try again
crude moon
oh, on Pokemon Showdown they do
umbral hound
🤦 you're right they do
pliant violet
showdown isn't real
crude moon
wdym?
pliant violet
I do not know, I'm still unpacking the statement myself
near flower
pokemon showdown isnt real and cant hurt you
pokemon showdown:
arctic dagger
Pokemon showdown ISN'T real and CAN hurt you
pliant violet
I respect it
karmic imp
Idea for pokemon team
They can't protect their assets, so a bunch of people and groups steal their supplies and even a few bases.
All this to justify a character idea I had of a reclusive breeder that is producing too many pokemon and has a base for all the eggs
worldly plume
Whats their name
karmic imp
I'm bad at names
wispy yarrow
Team Ark
covert saffron
I do not know, I'm still unpacking the statement myself
highly radical style of discourse
wispy yarrow
Okay, as a lover of Pokemon challenge runs
I actually really really love this format
wispy yarrow
Yeah, I watched the previous two and seeing him post this one genuinely made me like, excited
I was like "Oh, shit, a new one!"
manic kindle
his surf and fly ones are brilliant
pliant violet
I’ve been watching a few Elden ring videos with him in that’re good fun
wispy yarrow
He does only one thing that grates on me, and it's not something specific to him
It's such a nothingburger issue but I do cringe every time
One of my most hated gamerisms
"We live those" "I lived that?" "He lives that?"
SURVIVE. THERE IS A WORD FOR THAT. SURVIVE.
His content is delightful otherwise
and I can easily deal with it
crude moon
so why can birds keep flying while they're asleep
near flower
theyre built different
umbral hound
I forgot which channel we were in and was going to give the cooler real-life answer: only half of their brain is asleep. (I think there's some birds that do unihemispheric sleep? I know other animals do... including Totodile's line in Pokemon Sleep.)
soft isleBOT
arctic dagger
OG or Hisuian Typhlosion do people prefer?
soft isleBOT
OG's my fav since we grew up playing Crystal and Cyndaquil was our starter of choice
arctic dagger
I'm a sucker for Ghost/Fire types so
I gotta go with Hisui
If a pokemon is Ghost/Fire? I love it.
Alolan Marowak? Ceruledge? Typhlosion? Skeledirge? Chandelure? All top tier pokemon in my heart.
Rotom(Heat) gets an honorable mention
soft isleBOT
Ghost/fire is such a good type pairing 😌
arctic dagger
Ghost/Ice and Ghost/Fire are probably my two favorite typing combos
obtuse ravine
OG or Hisuian Typhlosion do people prefer?
hisuian typhlosion looks so cool, but idk if i could choose
i rarely evolve my cyndaquil and I haven't played PLA
azure crane
azure crane
crude moon
soft isleBOT
Sin apparently
pliant violet
just found about a new pokemon metagame where you can make your ability a move and that move goes off when you enter the battle
some moves are banned obviously, like DD
can only be status moves
only for like a month on smogon, if anyone thinks it's interesting
pliant violet
mashups?
languid lichen
been too long since i was hard into the omms community
other meta mashups!
slam two together
some of us in the smogon OMs community started doing stabmons + aaa
and it was fire
pliant violet
ohh
languid lichen
i think my favorite it's ever been was tier shit caaamo though
fucking kommo-o and alolan golem
were format titans
same in a lot of the TS mashups
pliant violet
kommo-o is decent in official doubles
pliant violet
https://youtu.be/g_ek_JuSMVo?si=J-5KVQ0AH5gPmE-X idk if anyone watched this when it came out but I think I posted it here, was very cool
languid lichen
okay almost any ability in general
is a blast
although in gen 7 it was a 2-count limit, so regenerator BO/stall cores were uh
my favorite centralizing
sudden spade
can only be status moves
So basicly 'On entry: Dragon Dance' or such?
pliant violet
yes
but some moves are banned
I know DD is
and I assume entry hazards are
I assume it's only moves the pokemon could theoretically learn but don't hold me to that
pliant violet
oh hadn't even considered protecting moves on switch
delightfully devilish, glad that's banned
trick room being banned and entry hazards not being banned is funky
languid lichen
hazards are manageable by things like fog/spin as abilities or standard moves
pliant violet
defog on entry is very mean
languid lichen
there's a lot of powerful momentum from the legal boosts like hone claws and calm mind functioning as double choice items, or replacement choice items
and trick room is...well, it's been many years since om folks were inexperienced enough to let it go
when trick room is legal, it reads "if your opp didn't also bring trick room, you win the game"
pliant violet
I know but I like trick room, you see
languid lichen
because it has the same universal speed tier problems as twave and such but even stronger
many people like trick room indeed
this is why there have been many thousands of matches proving that it's broken beyond any point of fun, fairness, or strategy
i understand and sympathize
sudden spade
Gravity on entry could be fun with some of the less accurate moves.
languid lichen
my regenerator cores...
pliant violet
Gravity on entry could be fun with some of the less accurate moves.
hone claws too
languid lichen
gravity landot was p big last i checked
pliant violet
I appreciate some stuff that is basically just another move but less available not being banned but the more available one being banned
glare vs twave
pliant violet
gravity landot was p big last i checked
I agree we should ban lando t
languid lichen
i think glare ate a ban recently
because it just won every game
unfortunately, "your sweeper is immune to counterplay" is pretty centralizing
pliant violet
what sweeper had glare
languid lichen
none, you'd just put it on dunsparce or sandaconda as a non-sweeper and play around speed tiers affecting switches
and then you need blissey or bust
manic kindle
thats very Gen 1 in a funny way
crude moon
honestly I think paralysis is the single worst mechanic in pokemon
both from a casual and non casual perspective
arctic dagger
Frozen?
pliant violet
frozen absolutely is, I wish they'd switch to frostbite
crude moon
frozen is at least harder to apply
pliant violet
it'd still be a really strong status effect
crude moon
but yeah, touche
pliant violet
if frozen was like frostbite, it could have a will-o-wisp equivalent move
crude moon
I think it'd be neat if paralysis restricted which moves you could select
maybe preventing you from coding the same move twice in a row
pliant violet
paralysis not halving speed but removing ability to use prio moves would be cool
crude moon
or making your bottom two moves unselectable, so you'd have to put some thought into your move order
pliant violet
that's very fair
arctic dagger
Speed reduction as a mechanic is interesting and I think honestly all it needs to do most of the time
pliant violet
para-flinch tactics are a bane
arctic dagger
Exactly
pliant violet
because they're not even necessarily good
but when it works it's utterly one sided
crude moon
(the reason for this title/thumbnail is that belossom got off a boosting move then got full para'd five of the next six turns, so he was saying it must be divine punishment against belossom)
arctic dagger
Hmm no that's really bad
Ready
Yeah
Oh duh
Increase accuracy of moves against para enemies
pliant violet
I actually don't mind the chip stuff
pliant violet
hence why I like frostbite
arctic dagger
Oh I like chip damage
I just think para is a bad fit for it
We already have a decent amount of chip damage in the same
Game
pliant violet
I think there should be more status conditions is my crazy take
manic kindle
i would like more volatile stuff
pliant violet
beserk, a condition that adds some amount of recoil to every move
but works like confusion
arctic dagger
Oh yeah, Confusion is another one I'd remake
I think I'd just change Confusion to what you're talking about tbh
Consistent recoil effect
manic kindle
some pokemon ttrpgs have "status conditions" where you cant gain/lose stat boosts, which i always found to be a neat little place to play around in
covert saffron
only for like a month on smogon, if anyone thinks it's interesting
might
crude moon
I'm tempted to try running something with Topsy Turvy (the move that reverses stat boosts) since 70% of the format seems to be boosting moves
oh you got off Growth in sunlight? good job, here's your -2 attack stats
crude moon
it still feels wacky to me that power creep has reached the point where Kyurem, Darkrai, and Zamazenta are all just...in OU
and they're all solidly "pretty decent, but not the best"
deft path
TBF zamazenta and darkrai received heavy nerfs
crude moon
that is fair
languid lichen
zama was already like...borderline on release
and then it got nerfed for zacian's sins
crude moon
unless i'm miscounting there are 9 nonlegendary pokemon introduced in gen 9 that are banned in OU
languid lichen
it's still good in OU because it's a fucking dump truck ass with great offensive stats but it's a mono fighting with a defensive ability and an awkward movepool to facilitate both of its possible playstyles
crude moon
honestly i think the single move Body Press more than makes up for the nerf to zamazenta's ability
languid lichen
so it basically exists as a ball of numbers
base kyurem being OU is also actually negative power creep
prior to gen 8 kyurem never ended a generation above UU (or its banlist)
and was usually RU
then in gen 8 it was just a tad bit too good for OU with ddance
darkrai never recovered from dark void being reduced to 50% fucking accuracy, though...
deft path
Blame smeargle for that
languid lichen
yeah...
but they also locked it to darkrai exclusively at the same time
so it got double nuked
deft path
Tbf its a pretty miserable move
languid lichen
it is
but without it darkrai is just like
big zoroark
because all of its sleep moves are dogwater
just a fast mono-dark plotter, but without zork's fun factor
honest cairn
It's not good by any means persay but I like running physical zork with toxicroak as a partner
languid lichen
phys zork's always (sometimes) been a very real and very viable off-meta call, at least in singles
right now unovan zoroark is ass cheeks
but back in like
gens 6-7 you'd see phys sd sets with koff and low kick
honest cairn
When someone psychics into the toxicroak when they see me sd and believes it's real, finally you did your job, the gimmick is real
crude moon
a fun gimmick is running emo zoroark with dragapult
crude moon
since they both have close to the same speed, Shadow Ball, and u-turn
honest cairn
Hisui I assume
languid lichen
okay i would not call a 40 speed difference close
crude moon
oh, misremembered
languid lichen
er sorry 30
i always forgot h zork has 110
and not 105 like u
but it's 110 vs 142
still an acceptable speed tier with the correct moves though yh
crude moon
"alright, their dragapult switched in and got the revenge KO with shadow ball. I'll just use my own ghost move against-" It has no effect on Dragapult
I still think it's so tragic that Zoroark was the only Pokemon to be nerfed before it ever came out
since it was added the same gen as team preview
honest cairn
"Yeah everyone's omniscient now" " what."
To be fair pokemon has infamously pre nerfed some other mons who really didnt need it
Or maybe it just seems that way in hindsight due to powercreep
azure crane
And then there's Volcarona who was always OU but became Uber in Gen 9. Is it just because of Tera?
crude moon
an incredible epic Shakespearean tragedy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcqO7yV7eYU
> Ranks Gen 4 #2 on his list of best OU formats
> Plays the Gen 4 OU ladder seriously on stream for a week
> "I know there could be an element of recency bias, but I truly believe this is the worst format in the history of Pokemon."
manic kindle
And then there's Volcarona who was always OU but became Uber in Gen 9. Is it jus...
yeah, defensive Tera typings on Volcarona are really easy to abuse
it has a great statline so hitting a +1 Quiver Dance while turning Tera Water/Fairy was kinda Good
exotic garden
an incredible epic Shakespearean tragedy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcqO7yV...
it's okay jimothy... it'll be muk monday soon......
covert saffron
\> Ranks Gen 4 #2 on his list of best OU formats
\> Plays the Gen 4 OU ladder se...
he’s right
gen 3 and gen 5 might have the best metagames
gens 6 and 7 are good
gen 1 is, we must concede, very funny
gen 2 and gen 4 are not so good
arctic dagger
He had previously played Gen 4 ou but only a long time ago before it settled or during periods people were less serious
He was not aware how rng it had gotten
manic kindle
gen 1 is, we must concede, very funny
i really like playing Gen 1 and Gen 1 UU because its such a small set of viable strats that it can really test your knowledge base in a way i find more enjoyable than a 90+ pokemon ou setting
but its also not a stagnant meta! its always evolving and changing
covert saffron
but its also not a stagnant meta! its always evolving and changing
of course
this is why i like gen 3 so much
it’s that perfect middle ground
loved gen 5 in its heyday, and it’s still very fun, but it’s a lot swingier. gen 3 seems to reward system mastery in a greater way
manic kindle
yeah gen 3 has a lot of really cool edges to it
covert saffron
lots of novel strats
made it pretty far in a bit cash prize tourney once with a team that had misdreavus
manic kindle
perish song or status use?
arctic dagger
Misdreavus has a unique place instead of Gengar for a utility ghost type not weak to psychic
It's mostly the Not Weak To Psychic part that's the reason
covert saffron
i recall it had t wave
was good at crippling t-tar
the one moment that fucked me right up was someone brought an aero with hp ghost
man i should get back into gen 3 OU
when my desk is cleared and ready for use then it’s OVER for everyone
foggy mango
https://bsky.app/profile/dailybunnies.bsky.social/post/3loysvbggps2n
@glacial ore @obtuse ravine
obtuse ravine
awww!!
covert saffron
whats the iv spread for ghost...
idk but i’ve ran it on i think tar before
crude moon
ok i'd heard a lot of gen 3 propaganda, but after about an hour
wow, this does feel really fun
(referring to OU)
arctic dagger
Yeah if Gen3 had physical/special split it'd be the cream game IMO
languid lichen
covert saffron
Yeah if Gen3 had physical/special split it'd be the cream game IMO
PS split gen 3 isn’t real it can’t hurt you
languid lichen
it hurts me because it's not real
azure crane
Imagine Azumarill in split Gen 3.
Though it's still slow and doesn't get Aqua Jet, and doesn't have Choice Scarf either.
covert saffron
Imagine Azumarill in split Gen 3.
yeah idk if this is as good as we’d think it would be
red rampart
crude moon
he gets to share his favorite pokemon with everyone ❤️