since most bushfires are started by lightning
#POKÉMON CENTER
pliant violet
arctic dagger
And I can see ghost type platypus with a strong poison moveset too
pliant violet
so it's running away from fire, not quite realising that it's making the fire that's behind it
arctic dagger
Ghost types often do
pliant violet
And I can see ghost type platypus with a strong poison moveset too
I can be down for that yeah
mellow robin
fire/electric does have coverage for both of the other lines, though
fire for grass/steel, electric for water/ghost
mellow robin
so it's running away from fire, not quite realising that it's making the fire th...
impeccable vibes tbh
deft path
Specifically red deer, bottle nose dolphin, and Irish setter
arctic dagger
Yeah that's fine imo, it's ok for them not to balance off each other perfectly
deft path
the deer I think would be hmmmm
pliant violet
fire/electric does have coverage for both of the other lines, though
fire for gr...
if at final stages I don't care too much, everyone is always gonna have coverage by then
or should
mellow robin
fair nuff
one earthquake will rock their shit anyway
arctic dagger
And fire/electric is 4x weak to ground yeah
So both should be able to pick up ground coverage pretty easy
pliant violet
The grass steel miner kangaroo absolutely will
arctic dagger
I was thinking physical for the emu and roo and special for the platypus
pliant violet
ye
the platypus starts as a duck and gets more twisted into a platypus as it becomes more ghostly
like you said that as a joke but I actually think there's something there with it being a ghost type
arctic dagger
Oh what if the roo is grass/ground but gets Steelworker as a hidden?
languid lichen
throw off the shackles of blaze/torrent/overgrow
pliant violet
let me be able to access stuff
languid lichen
make it the natural
arctic dagger
Yeah but starters always get the torrent/etc yeah
arctic dagger
Yeah they're just pretty easy to access now tbh
pliant violet
yeah but I'm a born hater
languid lichen
you must learn to harness your hate for the things that deserve it
pliant violet
grass ground does take away some of the advantage to water, and also gives it a 4x weakness
languid lichen
like dynamaxing
deft path
doerry (grass/normal), doeblin (grass/normal), hartdiff (grass/ghost)
pliant violet
I think if it's steel those are unique starter typings though
languid lichen
normal -> ghost is a cute evo gimmick
pliant violet
and I like that
languid lichen
i like it
arctic dagger
True
languid lichen
more grass/ghosts makes me a bit sad though
deft path
it goes from cute deer to mari lwyd
languid lichen
there are so many grass/ghosts and grass/darks now
arctic dagger
Maybe it gets like reverse steel worker as a hidden
deft path
it felt wrong to not make the mari lwyd anything other than grass ghost
arctic dagger
Ground worker
deft path
there are so many grass/ghosts and grass/darks now
ok but what if it gets a funny signature move
languid lichen
i always like funny sigs
deft path
called wassail
languid lichen
especially on starters
pliant violet
Earthworks
I wouldn't mind if they all got that sort of ability as a hidden
the emu gets flying
and the platypus gets poison
deft path
Which works like hospitality (the ability) but also sets up grassy terrain
a support starter
languid lichen
Earthworks
pliant violet
They're themed after australian disasters: Bushfires, Mining, Floods
Mining is a disaster idc
not in like an edgy way themed, just sorta
there
arctic dagger
I'd give the Mari lwyd water voice but for ghost type
deft path
drummow, whishle, harpfin
(water/normal), (water/normal), (water/fairy)?
This feels like retreading the alola evos tho
Water/psychic could also work
pliant violet
ooh all gonna be normal in first two stages?
deft path
Ye
pliant violet
This feels like retreading the alola evos tho
especially after a grass ghost
arctic dagger
Could leave one as normal and make the other two ghost and fighting
pliant violet
normal is the sound type
deft path
water normal final evo is funny actually
I will do that
Especially because the last one is the dog
deft path
And fire/fighting dog just feels right
arctic dagger
XD
deft path
And becomes normal
I can't downgrade people like that
Then again, fire/fighting starter is so done
pliant violet
fire fighting cops a lot of shit but like, it's a typing that does vibe very well
deft path
ghost/psychic/dark?
arctic dagger
Wait no
pliant violet
psychic gets kicked over and over there
deft path
true
pliant violet
also it's just not really music vibes
arctic dagger
You need something that is completely neutral to both normal and ghost
deft path
Normal/ghost/fighting works better I suppose
pliant violet
there's a lot of types that work there luckily
pliant violet
unfortunately I have used a spray bottle to touch you with a droplet of water
perish
languid lichen
dry skin
arctic dagger
I'd make it also a type that's neutral to water and grass if possible
languid lichen
my lips were real chapped
pliant violet
I say this with a fire electric starter, but like, electric types deserve to have bad things happen
arctic dagger
That way you keep a perfect triangle by virtue of the secondary types not effecting anything at all
Lmao
pliant violet
it's amazing how much EQ does to keep electric from seeming like the bullshit type it is
also the fact electric isn't the best offensively
arctic dagger
That's... Only fairy
snow cobalt
keeping Pikachu humble
arctic dagger
So fairy/fire, water/normal, grass/ghost?
The original triangle is intact, water and ghost can't effect each other and fairy is neutral defensively and offensively into both
pliant violet
what region is best suited to have the starters all have dragon secondary
deft path
flareunt, setturn,
arctic dagger
China maybe
deft path
Coming up with a third name there is hard
pliant violet
wolfhound right?
arctic dagger
There's a lot of Chinese dragons of basically every element
pliant violet
you know the wolfhound that lots of people know right
pliant violet
There's a lot of Chinese dragons of basically every element
that's what I figured
deft path
wolfhound right?
Irish dogs, first Evo is a terrier, then a setter, then a wolfhound
arctic dagger
Hound of Baskerville?
arctic dagger
Oh true yeah
pliant violet
Cucharlain
deft path
Oh that's SO GOOD
pliant violet
I'm not good at much but I can do names
arctic dagger
I was thinking Charculain
arctic dagger
Char as the front also has the Charizard problem
pliant violet
hadn't considered that but true
arctic dagger
Yeah
I love reverse triangles btw
3 types that do nothing special to each other
And also don't modify the original triangle interactions
They're so neat to make
arctic dagger
that's what I figured
My other thought would be Germany maybe
arctic dagger
Or one of the Nordic countries
Plenty of Nordic dragons
And you get to pull on yggdrassil for theming the region
pliant violet
that's taken
deft path
So that's
doeblin (grass/normal), edoeburr (grass/normal), hartdiff (grass/ghost)
drummow (water/normal), whishle (water/normal), harpfin (water/normal)
fareunt (fire/normal), setturnta (fire/normal), cucharlainn (fire/fairy)
arctic dagger
It is?
arctic dagger
... Those are yggdrassil?
pliant violet
they're the stag and the eagle that reside in the world tree
and xerneas itself is the world tree with it's horns
deft path
How do we feel about these starters
pliant violet
I assume zygarde is meant to be the serpent at the roots
I think you're cooking with the normal type thing
makes the early game not suck as much as well
deft path
The idea is that they're normal because they're just really unassuming wildlife
But then they evolve into cultural symbols of pride
pliant violet
I don't have names yet but I also somehow have starter final stages
arctic dagger
Oh?
arctic dagger
Oh I think names are the hardest part tbh
pliant violet
correct
also have to come up with middle stages
which are harder than final stages
deft path
But then they evolve into cultural symbols of pride
That's also why they're named after cultural symbols
pliant violet
sick
arctic dagger
The roo is easy, you just go quadrupedal to bipedal but don't suck at it
deft path
Capitals, instruments, and heroes
arctic dagger
Theme more off a different marsupial at first
pliant violet
you go from wallaby to grey kangaroo to red
emu is just emu chick to bigger emu to biggest emu
platypus is duck into weird duck into platypus
arctic dagger
With the roo you also give it a tool that gets better and more modern with each evo
arctic dagger
So it starts with like a toy shovel, then a real shovel, and finally some kind of industrial equipment
Maybe a jackhammer
pliant violet
my thinking was making it jump and use it's tail like a jackhammer in final evo
deft path
For whishle it has flute blowholes
arctic dagger
Oh I like toy shovel into shovel into learning to use its tail as the jackhammer
pliant violet
it must
arctic dagger
Middle stage has a hard hat too I think, but it's too big on it
pliant violet
Oh I like toy shovel into shovel into learning to use its tail as the jackhammer
it uses it's pouch to move the stuff it excavates
languid lichen
So it starts with like a toy shovel, then a real shovel, and finally some kind o...
cutest alternate timburr line
pliant violet
also opinion on second type in middle evo? I like it personally
languid lichen
better than second type in third
arctic dagger
I think I'd save for the third because I think we save for third on the other two
languid lichen
i like putting second type in either first or second
it's always more satisfying and makes starters pop more immediately
pliant violet
start monotype, then develop second type when evo
arctic dagger
For the platypus then I think it's more a dead duck in the second one and starting to shift
pliant violet
I think I'd save for the third because I think we save for third on the other tw...
I think the platypus getting ghost when it starts to be weirder duck makes sense
arctic dagger
Make it more ghost mutationy
pliant violet
I don't know that the platypus is actually dead
arctic dagger
I was thinking duck into mutant duck into dead mutant duck
As like a pollution allegory
pliant violet
I was going for a flood theme
deft path
Signature moves are tressail, sound waves, and sunspear
languid lichen
spears are peak
pliant violet
I think secondary fits your themeing better
arctic dagger
I agree
languid lichen
sunspear sounds more fire
languid lichen
that takes the spot of other gimmicks, though
arctic dagger
That's cool
pliant violet
wow another broken weather setter /s
deft path
Tressail restores your side's hp and sets up grassy terrain
languid lichen
Fairy but it sets up sunny day
ahhh, that makes sense
pliant violet
polchaigeist?
deft path
sound waves lowers sp. Atk and blocks other Pokemon from using sound based moves for a few turns
languid lichen
poltchageist
deft path
and sunspear raises your sides sp atk and sets up sunny day
arctic dagger
That last one sounds by far the most niche
deft path
That last one sounds by far the most niche
they're all spread
Sorry, spdef
Not spatk on sound waves
arctic dagger
Ok but blocking sound based move isn't nearly as good as sunny day or grassy terrain
deft path
it's hard to fit something in that doesn't cancel
arctic dagger
Many Pokemon won't be effected by it at all
deft path
that is good but also I was thinking uh
arctic dagger
I think boosts sound based moves for a turn is probably fine
deft path
first turn in it works as a spread flinch
arctic dagger
Eh I think it should set up an effect like the other two
arctic dagger
What if it put up the status screen?
deft path
thank you reggie
pliant violet
np
deft path
it could boost your sides sound moves and block the opponents
pliant violet
I have the pokemon brainrot
mellow robin
What if it put up the status screen?
safeguard?
arctic dagger
Yeah
arctic dagger
Safeguard while lowering their sp def
deft path
I've got it
pliant violet
Lower SpDef, raises the power of sound moves for x turns, stops them using sound moves for same time
arctic dagger
Don't think the last clause is a good idea
It's intensely punishing on the enemies it'll be good into
pliant violet
look I agree
I have no follow up statement
I just agree
oh I worked out emu thing that happens across evos, it gets more scared/surprised about the fire around it
deft path
works as safeguard and raises the power of sound based moves
Text is like
"harpfin's music prevented them from falling asleep"
"harpfin's ensemble is amplifying the power of sound based moves"
pliant violet
oh I worked out emu thing that happens across evos, it gets more scared/surprise...
so like baby is chill, middle evo is shocked, final form is constantly running to avoid the fires
arctic dagger
I think sunspear wants a different effect then
deft path
Yeah almost definitely
arctic dagger
Than the stat change
deft path
What about working like haze?
pliant violet
but it cannot get ko'd the turn it uses it
deft path
Where it clears all stat changes
pliant violet
oh clearing stat changes?
arctic dagger
Reset stat boosts...
pliant violet
with a sun theme
arctic dagger
Yeah I like that
arctic dagger
It also makes it less horrifying a setup move
deft path
Yeah lmao
arctic dagger
Keep the always goes last on it though I think
So it's an anti set up move that puts up sunny day
But you can't use it and boost yourself either
pliant violet
make it set up sunny day at start of turn, then trigger attack at end
arctic dagger
Attack?
pliant violet
the stat wipe
deft path
sunspear revealed the true natures of all Pokémon
pliant violet
that's got fun doubles potential
arctic dagger
IDK I think just making it all go at end is ok too
pliant violet
and it's not like you can't already priority change weather by switching pokemon
arctic dagger
And less complicated is ok I think
pliant violet
that's fair
good signature moves may
if I design any they will in fact not be that elegant
deft path
they're also all very thematic
arctic dagger
I think generally starter signature moves should generally be fairly simple
deft path
tressail is just a bad pun
arctic dagger
@sudden spade btw we're designing an Irish Pokemon starter trio
Mostly may but us helping lmao
arctic dagger
The typing is also less important
Since none of these are attacking moves
Does haze fail on ghost types ATM? I don't remember
deft path
would someone collect these into one message
arctic dagger
I think not?
deft path
I have to go get ready for the ballet and will be back later
pliant violet
steel type multi hit with flinch chance, hmm
arctic dagger
I'm on a plane about to take off so probably not me since I'm about to lose Internet
pliant violet
Sunspear: Sets sun and wipes stat changes (maybe at negative prio)
Tressail: restores your side's hp and sets up grassy terrain
Sound Waves: works as safeguard and raises the power of sound based moves
@deft path
pinged for finding convenience
deft path
Thank you
pliant violet
np
deft path
I think normal into ghost/fairy is a really cute little thing
I need to make weaner into a Pokémon
pliant violet
and I think keeping one of them normal gives you a chance to show that off too
especially on the one that's the most... normal? human coded?
music as opposed to a mythic warrior or a rap battling skeleton horse
deft path
It's a fishstrument
pliant violet
yeah but like
music theme there just feels more
at home
it's less legendary
which I think is good
deft path
cucharlainn also has the tail be the spear
languid lichen
ah, glavenus
deft path
has a little drum that it beats with its fins
whishle is a fish that plays with flute blowholes
sudden spade
<@248315253027373057> btw we're designing an Irish Pokemon starter trio
Oh, fun.
sudden spade
They sound fun. I do like spears.
deft path
which do you think you would pick
sudden spade
The one with Sunspear
deft path
It makes sense that you would pick cucharlainn
arctic dagger
I mean I can just scroll up until I find it but so could you
manic kindle
thank you
deft path
And or can you repost the ideas
So that's
doeblin (grass/normal), edoeburr (grass/normal), hartdiff (grass/ghost)
drummow (water/normal), whishle (water/normal), harpfin (water/normal)
fareunt (fire/normal), setturnta (fire/normal), cucharlainn (fire/fairy)
Tressail: restores your side's hp and sets up grassy terrain
Sound Waves: works as safeguard and raises the power of sound based moves
Sunspear: Sets sun and wipes stat changes (maybe at negative prio)
manic kindle
i like the secondary type triangle going on
arctic dagger
Thanks that was my idea
They preserve the original triangle while all being "even* against each other
deft path
tohu suggested fairy, yeah, it was a very good suggestion
arctic dagger
There was also the Aussie starters which was more on Reggie
I also suggested the keeping normal!
deft path
Oh yeah true
wispy yarrow
Why normal?
Seems like you're adding a ghost immunity and a fighting weakness for little upside
Other than STAB for early stuff like tackle
deft path
Sound based moves
arctic dagger
Normal is honestly a really strong type
arctic dagger
Normal stab is really good
deft path
normal little guys until they evolve into "legends" was my immediate take
correct!
they're small animals that then become cultural traditions
arctic dagger
And it combos really good with water stab against everything but steel iirc
As far as coverage goes
deft path
normal is a fairly generically decent type to have
it has a moderate upside and a fairly unnoticeable downside
arctic dagger
Yeah the main benefit of normal type isn't the type interactions is just that normal stab is good
arctic dagger
Plus they tend to have just really varied moveset in general
And there's a million normal type utility movies
Moves*
languid lichen
normal types get both all the random bullshit util and fifteen types of coverage, yeah
arctic dagger
Also since it's a sound based normal type it maybe gets boomburst which is just
A nuts move
Especially since it also has safeguard+buff sound type moves as its signature move
sudden spade
Boomburst is great. Though I am perpetually pissy that Noivern basicly gets that and supersonic as it's Only Sound Moves.
You're Noivern, you are a Sound-Themed Pokemon
languid lichen
does it not get hyper voice???
sudden spade
Only by TM.
arctic dagger
It gets screech too
deft path
im glad i clocked this it reads really well good job yall
The input from others was very helpful for balancing
Without tohu I probably wouldn't have gotten the type triangle or sound waves
Nd Reggie contributed a crucial pun
languid lichen
noivern deserves perish song and grass whistle
arctic dagger
And yeah, uproar/hyper voice/psychic noise/dragon cheer by tm
sudden spade
It gets more sound moves via TM but the level up pool of the sound dragon is remarkably low on sound moves. But then, there isn't many dragon or flying sound moves outside of Ones Specific To A Pokemon. XD
arctic dagger
Clamorous yeah
deft path
No that's a signature move
arctic dagger
No lmao
languid lichen
I was thinking scale shot
sudden spade
And yeah, uproar/hyper voice/psychic noise/dragon cheer by tm
Entertainingly: Dragon Cheer is not a sound-based move.
arctic dagger
I don't think it does get scale shot
sudden spade
You will get TM 169 and you will click Draco Meteor as much as possible.
arctic dagger
Or hurricane maybe on a rain team
manic kindle
Nd Reggie contributed a crucial pun
dare i ask the pun
arctic dagger
It has a place on rain teams as neutral vs electric hurricane
languid lichen
So it wouldn't use it
it would if it got nasty plot...
like 90 other mons did in gen 8
deft path
dare i ask the pun
Cucharlainn
arctic dagger
What
deft path
for the fire line
languid lichen
it might some say
arctic dagger
Do you mean swords dance
arctic dagger
Scale shot is a physical attack
languid lichen
- spatk
manic kindle
Cucharlainn
ok i get it now
languid lichen
you now have a double dancer
arctic dagger
Ok but the point of noivern is it doesn't need speed boosts to be faster than almost anything
arctic dagger
You just put a scarf on it and hit draco meteor, hurricane, and boomburst
I mean yes and in the current era you don't use noivern
But when it was used that was why
deft path
oh also hidden abilities
- haunting voice (makes sound moves ghost type)
- storm drain
- white smoke (cannot have stats lowered by others)
languid lichen
But when it was used that was why
yes, and when it was used, a million mons didn't have nasty plot
arctic dagger
NVM I'm tired
languid lichen
and scale shot didn't exist
arctic dagger
Sure
languid lichen
and other things
arctic dagger
So like I said...
languid lichen
i don't really understand the nitpick
arctic dagger
Let's end this, I feel like you're the one nitpicking
languid lichen
"noivern is bad, it should get boosting moves"
"but when it was good it didn't need boosting moves"
arctic dagger
So there is clearly a communication error here
manic kindle
oh also hidden abilities
- haunting voice (makes sound moves ghost type)
- storm...
haunting voice sounds fun
arctic dagger
I never saw anything about it having it, just that it would have used it if it did, which I'm not sure about
Er, about it should have it
But again yeah we're set
Noivern is cool though
sudden spade
I do like the 'make sound moves X type', though it would be fun if pokemon ever had like...Iron Fist But For Sound Moves. Though with Boomburst being Boomburst you'd never want this on a Normal-Type Pokemon, they already get STAB, they're fine 😛
deft path
haunting voice sounds fun
the banshee Pokémon will also have it
sudden spade
Something for 'I learn a lot of sound moves but I don't have normal type but this gives me semi-stab'
deft path
I do like the 'make sound moves X type', though it would be fun if pokemon ever ...
that's why it Sound Waves exist
arctic dagger
I do like the 'make sound moves X type', though it would be fun if pokemon ever ...
It has a setup move that does this
sudden spade
Nice!
deft path
these are designed to pair well with each other
Sound waves is on harpfin, actually
hartdiff has tressail
arctic dagger
Oh yeah, different Pokemon have the ability vs the move
So they do different interesting things with sound moves
Storm drain feels like the least interesting of those to me?
arctic dagger
Soundproof?
It's probably bulkier anyway from the vibes I'm getting so honestly torrent is good
So a more niche hidden ability is fine
Soundproof sometimes really good as a meta call but
Never an always pick
But having it as an option can scare people until they figure out what it has
deft path
oh shit it would
arctic dagger
Remind me of the thematics here
deft path
urvh balancing
deft path
the Irish musical instruments
Fish
drum, whistle, and harp
Represents oceanic life
stalwart?
deft path
I do like the 'make sound moves X type', though it would be fun if pokemon ever ...
also it does, punk rock, its just stuck as a signature ability
sudden spade
also it does, punk rock, its just stuck as a signature ability
Punk rock exists but I think it's a bit more than 'Iron fist for sound moves' as it's a fair bit beyond that.
arctic dagger
Isn't stalwart also a signature ability?
What about insomnia?
Or a new ability that basically acts like uproar is up all the time
deft path
I think i just been to invent a signature ability for it
arctic dagger
I kinda like synchronize even if it has a bit of negative synergy with safeguard
I could see serene Grace
Oh!
Tinted lens maybe?
Just for maximum Normal Moves All The Time?
deft path
Tinted lens maybe?
WAIT LOL
SCRAPPY
the most normal to ever normal
sure it breaks the type triangle a little but who cares
arctic dagger
Does scrappy fit the flavor?
I'm having an issue imagining this Pokemon visually tbh
deft path
it's a dolphin that's a harp
I can sketch it later
it's got strings that it plays with its fins
manic kindle
a lil harp... thats cute
deft path
it's based on the Irish harp and the old punt
arctic dagger
Yeah scrappy probably works for that
pliant violet
@manic kindle I also brain stormed some starters for an Aussie region but they’re less fleshed out
Got a Grass steel mining kangaroo, a fire electric bushfire scared Emu, and a water ghost platypus that starts as a regular duck and gets twisted
honest cairn
Got a Grass steel mining kangaroo, a fire electric bushfire scared Emu, and a wa...
that platypus one is such a great idea, like a irl mutation version of porygon z
duck that gets fucked up
pliant violet
credit to @arctic dagger for that, I was thinking platypus but they suggested the duck part
they all somewhat represent Australian disasters, in mining, bushfires, and floods
yes mining is a disaster don't @ me
the kangaroo jumps up and down and uses it's tail as a jackhammer
the emu runs around, fleeing from fires it accidentally starts/spreads
and the platypus is a weird ass little freak
plus, all unique starter typings
pliant violet
Scrubbaby (Grass) -> Kangatherer (Grass/Steel) -> Diggeroo (Grass/Steel)
Signature Ability: Earthmover (steel worker but for ground type)
Signature Move: Jumping Jacks (multi hit steel type move with fixed amount of hits, moderate power, and low chance to flinch)
names probably need some workshopping
sudden spade
...Diggeroo. God dammit. XD
pliant violet
...Diggeroo. God dammit. XD
for an australian mining themed kangaroo you know I had to do it
sudden spade
for an australian mining themed kangaroo you know I had to do it
Perfect
So I guess it gets access to Toxic, as it just tosses asbestos at you.
Is there a Wombat one?
(More seriously: A Platypus as a Water/Poison type would be really fun)
pliant violet
Chickind (Fire) -> Smoldromai (Fire/Electric) -> Emmolate (Fire/Electric)
Signature Ability: Updraft ( steelworker but for flying type)
Signature Move: Dry Lightning (Good power electric type move with a chance to burn)
pliant violet
Is there a Wombat one?
nah the starters are Grass Steel Kangaroo, Fire Electric Emu, Water Ghost Platypus
pliant violet
(More seriously: A Platypus as a Water/Poison type would be really fun)
so my platypus starter starts seeming like it's a regular duck then it becomes more and more like a platypus
yep, the starter trio has that as an ability theme
and the platypus gets poison type for its
sudden spade
...I should think up a funner name for that Giant Wombat Creature I'm including in a game, it's just listed as Giant Wombat right now. XD
(These names are inspiring me)
near flower
their abilities effectively make them triple type from an offensive standpoint eh? pretty neat
pliant violet
Pudgle (Water) -> Platypeer (Water/Ghost) -> Ornithorror (Water/Ghost)
Signature Ability: Virulent (Steelworker but poison)
Signature Move: Unnatural Perception (moderate power ghost type sure hit move that sets an effect that means all the users moves will hit for some amount of turns barring effects like protect)
pliant violet
their abilities effectively make them triple type from an offensive standpoint e...
they're meant to be hidden abilities but I hate those so these guys will have the normal starter abilities but will have these other abilities available through an item around a gym after you're expected to fully evolve them
sudden spade
Is Unnatural on the User or on the Target?
So like, if they swap out do you lose it?
pliant violet
the user
sudden spade
Nice.
pliant violet
I don't want people doing bullshit guaranteed ko shit
can't stop what moves other pokemon get
sudden spade
Yeah, it could get nonsense in Doubles if it was on target.
'Here is my slower friend with sheer cold'
pliant violet
also if anyone can tell me the etymology of the chosen names I'll be impressed
sudden spade
Am I allowed to or is that cheating?
pliant violet
also kangaroo is bulky physical, emu is speedy mixed, platypus is middling speed and bulk but special
you can try iki but I don't think it's so simple
not just the animal names either
near flower
ornithorror is a really good name
sudden spade
I mean, the playtpus is the ornithorhynchus anatinus (Yes, I did need to look up the spelling of that).
near flower
they're meant to be hidden abilities but I hate those so these guys will have th...
very cool (<also thinks hidden abilities should be more accessible)
sudden spade
So I think that's where the third one comes from.
pliant violet
ding ding
near flower
my first thought was 'ornithology' (the study of birds) but i was way off the mark cuz i dont think platypus are actually birds...?
pliant violet
they're not
iki has it for that one
I'm happy about these given I threw them together in a couple hours
near flower
i like emmolate a lot
pliant violet
thank you, that was probably the hardest of the third stages
pliant violet
my first thought was 'ornithology' (the study of birds) but i was way off the ma...
this actually makes it even better, because the line starts as looking more like a duck and ends up as a ghostly fucked up platypus
near flower
does the region theyre the starters for have a name?
pliant violet
nope, I just brainstormed the three of them, it's obviously aussie inspired
Scrubbaby (Grass) -> Kangatherer (Grass/Steel) -> Diggeroo (Grass/Steel)
Signature Ability: Earthmover (steel worker but for ground type)
Signature Move: Jumping Jacks (multi hit steel type move with fixed amount of hits, moderate power, and low chance to flinch)
Chickind (Fire) -> Smoldromai (Fire/Electric) -> Emmolate (Fire/Electric)
Signature Ability: Updraft ( steelworker but for flying type)
Signature Move: Dry Lightning (Good power electric type move with a high chance to burn)
Pudgle (Water) -> Platypeer (Water/Ghost) -> Ornithorror (Water/Ghost)
Signature Ability: Virulent (Steelworker but poison)
Signature Move: Unnatural Perception (moderate power ghost type sure hit move that sets an effect that means all the users moves will hit for some amount of turns barring effects like protect)
just collating them in one message for referencing for me
giving the slowest of them the stun chance move might be a bad choice
near flower
the nefarious trick room:
pliant violet
trueeee
the weakest name is definitely kangatherer
also the only line I didn't use a scientific name
near flower
i thought it was cute
wispy yarrow
I remember making a Pokemon once for a tabletop game
pliant violet
it's definitely not bad
wispy yarrow
Steel/Poison, name was Purrous, evolved into Ferroline
Loosely based on the idea of Schrodinger's cat
It was a Pokemon that my players had to locate before the enemy Team could get to them
pliant violet
oh that's fun
wispy yarrow
I also had two Eeveelutions of my own in that game, too
Armeon and Mummeon
Steel and Ghost
pliant violet
I've seen some schrodinger's cat/cheshire cat normal ghost fakemon
wispy yarrow
We collectively decided that you could only get Armeon if you Evolved an Eevee with its Defense EVs maxed out
and Mummeon evolved via a Cursed Bandage item
near flower
We collectively decided that you could only get Armeon if you Evolved an Eevee w...
ooh thats fun
i know its divisive in the games but i love it when they make you do weird esoteric shit to evolve stuff
pliant violet
ooh thats fun
i know its divisive in the games but i love it when they make you ...
I don’t mind it, but the game has to have hints about it
Or a way to find it out without googling
At least for the first game
wispy yarrow
Originally my thought behind Mummeon was that it had to faint while holding the item, and it would evolve upon Revive/Pokemon Center
But that was a bit grim
Other fun names we thought up, though:
Pineon: Flying
Chiteon: Bug
Meleon: Fighting
wispy yarrow
Meleon led to the question of whether we also got Brawleon
pliant violet
Champeon
wispy yarrow
Champeon is really good too holy
pliant violet
I am good with names
pliant violet
Eon
wispy yarrow
Eon is good, but my meme name was Veev
Which, now that we have Farigiraf
Isn't THAT silly
sudden spade
Normal Type Eveelution with like Extreme Speed or something would be fun.
near flower
Originally my thought behind Mummeon was that it had to faint while holding the ...
i dont think its all that grim, feels in line with stuff like shedinja and runerigus
wispy yarrow
yes but eevee is cuter
pliant violet
I think for the pseudolegend of the aus region you’d probably go for a monitor lizard
sudden spade
That would be fun.
near flower
a non reptilian/draconic pseudo legend would be really cool
wispy yarrow
I am in support of giant spider
pliant violet
Also there’s the common belief that Aus is full of giant spiders
near flower
like that one monster hunter spider beastie
wispy yarrow
It's only just the one kind iirc
pliant violet
It’s not that big a deal
wispy yarrow
yeah it's only really the Huntsmans that are super big
But their venom's not even that bad
Like it sucks to get bit but you won't die
pliant violet
The rival is an immigrant from alola who has a komala
wispy yarrow
what Pokemon is representing the noble Dingo
pliant violet
And either gets a regional komala that’s a drop bear joke with some sort of explaining about nightmares, or that’s a regional evo
pliant violet
what Pokemon is representing the noble Dingo
That’d have to be the regional dog
Not every region has them but they’re not uncommon
wispy yarrow
the rattata equivalent could be either a wombat or an echidna
near flower
or a possum
wispy yarrow
or a possum
near flower
i love possums theyre so sillyful
have you thought of what the fossil pokemon for the region would be? (<dinosaur kid)
australia has a really interesting record
wispy yarrow
Thylacine
near flower
i was thinking that too
pliant violet
I was actually thinking of a line that the thylacaine is the second stage
near flower
but its a bit too recent to be a fossil imo
wispy yarrow
Tasmanian Devil legendary tho?
pliant violet
Tassie devil into thylacaine into thycaleo
near flower
australia is famous for opalized fossils
trail bridge
🤔 do you think the legendaries can be based off native aussie folklore?
pliant violet
I am iffy about doing that
trail bridge
fair
pliant violet
It could step on toes and I am not of the cultures that would be effected
near flower
would the (in)famous magpie be the regional bird
pliant violet
And tbf I don’t ever actually intend to take this anywhere
Just enjoy brainstorming
I think a magpie for a fighting flying bird would be funny
wispy yarrow
magpie legendary
sudden spade
Considering how wombats famously defend their tunnels, they do feel like they'd be a High Defence pokemon that eventually leans Body Press (Though likely not a full on Fighting Type, likely a more defensive typing).
pliant violet
My most cancellable take is that I don’t care much about legends
wispy yarrow
Ghost pokemon
it's a used christmas cracker
I know that's not UNIQUELY australian
pliant violet
Considering how wombats famously defend their tunnels, they do feel like they'd ...
The mandatory rock ground type
wispy yarrow
but they didn't do it in the england region
pliant violet
We’re not allowed to call white people that anymore Alice
wispy yarrow
It's okay I'm white
sudden spade
My most cancellable take is that I don’t care much about legends
Nah, it's reasonable to go 'this is not my area to step on and also not an area I super care about'. I know for Fulda Rift I did the same 'Hey, I'm not Aboriginal Australian, I can't speak for their myths'. XD
sudden spade
Ah, 'legends' as in the pokemon term, not the concept of myths.
sudden spade
...now I want prawns. I know what I'm ordering for dinner.
wispy yarrow
Professor Acacia: A Steve Irwin Expy
pliant violet
Jacaranda
wispy yarrow
The regional enemy team is just actual poachers
near flower
and they all use pokemon matching with various invasives (purloin, tauros, ect)
wispy yarrow
The DLC for the region takes you to New Zealand
pliant violet
This came about from a discussion last night about where folks would like to see Gen X
And my take was of course Aus
wispy yarrow
The thing I want to see from Pokemon atm
near flower
australia is 100% one of the coolest places they could base a region off of imo
sudden spade
Unironically I think you could do a good Normal Type based on Brumbies. Maybe Normal + Something. As there's a few horse-inspired Pokémon but none of them are normal type and Brumbies are one of those things that like...it's iconically australian to people in australia but less known outside of it.
pliant violet
See I don’t like asshole rivals
wispy yarrow
I want a MEAN rival, like, not one who's just a little misunderstood
I want a Rival who's like "Oh you picked FIRE? Are you an idiot or something? Tch, I'm gonna pick Water, show you just how stupid your choice was."
And you just get the satisfaction of beating their ass again and again
Silver and Blue came around eventually
sudden spade
Brambie - Normal/Grass
pliant violet
The rival in my mind doesn’t even get one of the starters
wispy yarrow
I say all of this but I did actually like Nemona
She really decided to go New Game + on you
pliant violet
I would argue Gen IX didn’t even have a rival
sudden spade
Nemona was fun in that she was one of the few rivals who felt both friendly and like they had a reason to fight you.
pliant violet
They’re just your friends
sudden spade
A lot of the 'nice' rivals are often just 'We'll fight becasue that's what pokemon characters do'
But Nemona clearly liked fighting
I hope I'm remotely coherant?
wispy yarrow
TBH I would love if they did like they did in Sword/Shield again
where Pokemon Battling was like, a big sporting event
Those vibes were immaculate imo
The gym theme where you had fans chanting
Big, spacious arenas
Even if the story could have used more work, I adored the theming of that gen
Honestly, if I was doing a Pokemon game, my thing for a Rival
would be to go all in on the asshole who doesn't understand what Pokemon's about
But in an inverse of X and Y, instead of you having a bunch of friends, the Rival has a bunch of groupies
and every defeat makes one of them ditch the rival
Until he's all alone, with nothing but his Pokemon, but he realizes that his Pokemon stick with him because they're his friends, tried and true
and his groupies who gradually leave his side along the way are the source of stuff like HMs or important key items
sudden spade
Iki's thoughts on an Aussie Pokemon
Brambie -> Equiplex
A pony with shrub-like brambles on the skin -> A horse where the brambles have become saltbush.
Normal/Grass. Fast Physical Attacker.
Abilities: Scrappy, Reckless
Hidden Ability: Wind Rider
R1: You beat them the first time and one of them makes a joke at rival's expense. Rival flips out and is a jerk to them, and they leave, tossing you your first 6 Pokeballs along the way. If you lose this, you get them from the professor.
R2: After the first Gym or so, Rival comes back saying he's totally caught some wicked Pokemon that they're going to thrash you with. You beat them, and Rival tries to battle with one of his groupies' Pokemon, but that Pokemon won't listen, and Rival is mean to them, so the groupie leaves, gives you an HM equivalent on the way out.
R3: Rival tries to intervene when you take on the regional antagonist team, since THEY want the glory, and one of their Groupies' pokemon got nabbed by the villains. After you win, they say something callous about just leaving the dumb Pokemon behind, that Groupie gets mad, and when you deliver it back to them, receive key item.
R4: Double-battle with Rival and final Groupie before the Elite Four. After winning, Rival grows more and more frustrated, blaming the Groupie's weak Pokemon for their loss. Groupie gives you a final key item. Rival is now alone.
R5: Rival took on the Elite Four behind you, and managed to scrape by with the victory. Now you have to battle it out to see who takes on the Champion. After you win, one of the Rival's pokemon comforts them. Despite everything, their Pokemon still has their back and trusts them. In this moment, the Rival has a realization about the nature of being a Pokemon trainer.
near flower
nifty idea
got a smile out of me
wispy yarrow
I remember as a kid
when Silver's Pupitar became a Tyranitar in the games
I lost my DAMN MIND
Like that was such a cool moment
sudden spade
Regional Tinkerton that rather than constructing a hammer slowly puts on more and more ned kelly armour 😛
wispy yarrow
Also, something I'd love to see
Bringing in the concept of trainer abilities from the Manga
Just like, areas of expertise/actual strengths a Trainer can have for some mechanical benefit
Take the ability Crystal has for a slightly increased catch rate
Yellow's ability has a gradual heal over time as you walk
Blue's is slightly higher EXP yields under certain conditions
or like, slightly increased EV gain
Gold's eggs hatch faster
They got a little more esoteric as things went on iirc but like, that's cool stuff
near flower
that sounds really interesting!
wispy yarrow
and then you can have vaguely ecofascist elite four like the manga
near flower
lol
wispy yarrow
Lance: "We've hurt Pokemon enough, humans are the real problem."
Lorelei: "Pokemon deserve a paradise away from humanity."
Agatha: "man FUCK professor oak, bitch ahh"
Bruno: "I WANNA FIGHT STRONG PEOPLE"
near flower
agatha is just a hater LMAOOO
maybe i should read the manga at some point
near flower
i think i read about half of the kanto part some time ago and thought it was neat
near flower
and i own some of the BW books because i love hilbert's design
wispy yarrow
I also really liked Crystal
pliant violet
and i own some of the BW books because i love hilbert's design
A shame about his name
wispy yarrow
She kicks her Pokeballs instead of throwing them
Because she had to learn how to catch/battle with broken arms
pliant violet
Selene is an archer
near flower
i think his eng name is really cute even if it's kinda dorky
wispy yarrow
Gold shoots his Pokeballs with a pool cue
near flower
thats neat
i like unique throwing styles for pokeballs
wispy yarrow
Yellow can just straight up heal Pokemon
near flower
also fun fact pokemon bw made me realize i was transgender
pliant violet
That was a thing in the alola games
You could change your throwing style
Of course I never throw
near flower
its in scarvio too but iirc only via the second dlc
near flower
i had a lot of fun with indigo disk
because i did something that ive never done before and drafted a whole new team for it instead of just using my base game team
oh and every member of the new team had to be shiny
made the DLC pretty hard! actually lost a couple of the elite 4 fights
near flower
slow :)
pliant violet
made the DLC pretty hard! actually lost a couple of the elite 4 fights
Helps that the new elite four were no joke
near flower
yeah they had some pretty mean tricks iirc
im also no competitive player (i did breed quite a bit during the 3ds era though! god i miss the gts, warts and all)
i think the only one i didnt lose at least once to was the fire guy
near flower
and that was only because most of my team was pretty decent against fire
pliant violet
I think Hydrapple is a beyond inspired design
near flower
its really fun
pliant violet
And I’m glad they made it
near flower
i love the applin line
almost makes me want to get a copy of swsh second hand since i didnt play those
wispy yarrow
arctic dagger
Eon is good, but my meme name was Veev
Eveeve, just the dudundundparce it up
pliant violet
I stick by eon as a name
Oh Tohu did you see that I did some more work on the stuff we spitballed about Aussie starters?
pliant violet
And moves yeah
arctic dagger
when Silver's Pupitar became a Tyranitar in the games
I wish we saw more rival evolutions in game
Yeah I saw those
I think I'd make the roo secondary effect a def down
Rather than flinch
Similar wall breaking effect but it matters if it ends up triggering multiple times
pliant violet
That’s, an excellent idea
sudden spade
Also matters if it triggers early in the hits
Sorta like power up punch was for mega kangaskhan.
Which is fun
Pokemon Theming: Kangaroos do multihit moves to wallbreak
deft path
Doeblin (Grass/Normal) Lv. 16 -> Edoeburr (Grass/Normal) Lv. 36 -> Hartdiff (Grass/Ghost)
Based on: Red deer and capital cities, evolves into a Mari lwyd
Ability: Haunting Voice, makes all sound based moves ghost type
Signature move: Tressail - PP 10, restore 25% HP to all Pokémon on your side of the field, create Grassy Terrain
Drummow (Water/Normal) Lv. 16 -> Whishle (Water/Normal) Lv. 36 -> Harpfin (Water/Normal)
Based on: Atlantic fish and Irish instruments, evolves from fish on the coinage into the Irish harp
Ability: Scrappy
Signature Move: Sound Waves - PP 5, establishes Safeguard and boosts the power of friendly sound based moves by 50%
Fareunt (Fire/Normal) Lv. 16 -> Setturnta (Fire/Normal) Lv. 36 -> Cucharlainn (Fire/Fairy)
Based on: Irish dog breeds and legendary heroes, evolves into cu chulainn and uses its tail as a weapon
Ability: White Smoke
Signature move: Sunray Spears - PP 10, -1 Prio, clears all stat changes and establishes Sunny Weather
deft path
i love the applin line
almost makes me want to get a copy of swsh second hand si...
they're in SV too
pliant violet
Doeblin (Grass/Normal) Lv. 16 -> Edoeburr (Grass/Normal) Lv. 36 -> Hartdiff (Gr...
I assume those abilities are the hidden ones?
deft path
I assume those abilities are the hidden ones?
yeah, obviously they have the generic starter abilities
Because of the law
pliant violet
just checking
I have a question for region design
are you like building up the region, going here's what you're likely to encounter early
or are you just designing the cool stuff that pops into your brain
because I'm the latter
I'm tossing about my pseudo legend concept now
arctic dagger
I've been thinking about making a romhack that I would like
deft path
are you like building up the region, going here's what you're likely to encounte...
been building up
arctic dagger
Would people be willing to contribute fakemon if I actually do it?
deft path
i would
So the idea for the region is that obviously its based on Ireland, but also that all trainer battles are doubles
arctic dagger
I can do stats
arctic dagger
Stats are easy
pliant violet
stats are the hard part for me
arctic dagger
My big problems are concepts and names
Once I have concepts I'm good at coming up for what they should do
pliant violet
oh names and concepts flow out of me like the rest of my verbal diarrhoea
sudden spade
I'm good at concepts but not stats. I am guilty of trying to optimise statlines overmuch.
pliant violet
making things that are bad is hard, I get it
pliant violet
Boggard for a poison/grass type
I'm trying to think what I want the secondary type on my pseudo legend to be, and that's hard
primary will be bug, I think, maybe
deft path
bug type is not good
arctic dagger
primary will be bug, I think, maybe
I always liked bug/dragon
deft path
it's probably the worst offensive/defensive typing in the game
pliant violet
too many pseudo legend dragons
arctic dagger
looks at ice for defense
pliant violet
I want one of the early route mons to be dragon, a two stage bearded dragon into monitor lizard thing
deft path
Ok true ice exists
pliant violet
bug isn't the worst type but I do agree it's not very good
this does not matter to me though
deft path
I think I'd make my legendaries grass type
pliant violet
rolling green hills
what types haven't been pseudolegends
Dragon, Flying, Rock, Dark, Steel, Psychic, Ground, Fighting, Ghost, Ice all have
languid lichen
i want a poison pseudo
pliant violet
that leaves me with Normal, Fire, Water, Grass, Poison, Electric, Rock, Bug, Fairy if I don't want overlap
languid lichen
we need more poison dragons
pliant violet
If I'm doing a spider I might do poison but bug feels more likely
If I want a unique, or mostly unique type Normal Bug, Ice Poison, Poison Fairy seem like the options
languid lichen
scorpion pseudo
pliant violet
region idea is australia based so I'm going for a big spider
I don't think I'm gonna go for unique typing because I don't like those
Bug Poison is the most fitting but by god that's dull
gonna exclude rock for reasons
not using dragon makes this harder it seems
arctic dagger
I like poison fairy
It's a fairly strong typing, big steel weakness but
That's fine
arctic dagger
You then make a complimentary steel/poison or something pseudo that represents the destruction of the natural and industrialization, while this represents the natural Australia and the wonder thereof maybe?
Give the steel/poison an ability that makes poison type moves at worst 1x effective against any target
languid lichen
's what corrosion should've been...
languid lichen
not that that would've made salazzle better, but
it would've been way more fitting with the name to me
arctic dagger
I mean salazzle is fine mostly imo
It has niches, fire/poison is a really strong offensive stab
pliant violet
I was thinking of doing an ocean based pseudolegend as a pair with the land based one
arctic dagger
That's neat
pliant violet
so on land there's the poison/fairy spider line that can heal and can harm
arctic dagger
Oh what if you did something about your politician that just up and disappeared into the ocean one day
pliant violet
harold holt hahaha
pliant violet
Water I was thinking of doing something to do with sharks
pliant violet
Water I was thinking of doing something to do with sharks
Sharktopus
no
I'm not powerful enough
arctic dagger
Water/flying sharknado
languid lichen
Sharktopus
nah, that has to be in a mexican region
arctic dagger
Australia has tornados right?
pliant violet
Cyclones but yes
arctic dagger
It has two evos, a water type shark that evolves into a water/flying sharknado when it levels up in a sky battle
Or something
pliant violet
wait no
I know what I'm doing for the other one
Normal Fighting line that starts as a tasmanian devil then becomes a tasmanian tiger then becomes a thycaleo, the marsupial lion
I knew I wanted two pseudo lines but this works better
arctic dagger
I made a sheet so we can record these
Feel free to move columns around or add them or whatever
Maybe worth pinning?
arctic dagger
I put every column i thought could be relevant
In basically the order I thought of them lmao
@deft path we have a sheet now if you want to put things in there?
@sudden spade I know you like homebrew
deft path
Yar 🫡
pliant violet
also yeah tohu if you do get around to making a romhack, feel free to take any of my stuff
pliant violet
I believe the latter
arctic dagger
Just all
For my region I'd probably do NW America or Boston
Since those are the ones I'm most experienced in
pliant violet
bawston
arctic dagger
And therefore could do must authenticallyish
I wouldn't be comfy doing a central Asian one since I'm so divorced from my heritage
pliant violet
I wonder what kind of cultural consultant the pokemon company does when they set their games somewhere that's not japan
arctic dagger
As much as I really want one to exist
arctic dagger
NW America gives more room to play I think since the NYC region already covers a lot of the stuff I think?
pliant violet
boston you gotta have a baseball themed fighting type
arctic dagger
But IDK I'm still in theming
And thinking
If I do an Oregon one I'm definitely making fun of twilight with a fairy/dark vampire line
Maybe rock/fairy or rock/dark
Have them sparkle because literal diamonds in their skin
Carbink regional form that's dark type because they're vampire rocks
pliant violet
Remember that you don’t have to design all new Pokémon
arctic dagger
Oh yeah for sure
pliant violet
You can have stuff from other regions
arctic dagger
I'd steal a bunch from B/W in particular either way
pliant violet
How many is new in a regional dex these days
arctic dagger
Since they'd be nearby regions
Paldea was 350
Before we got paradox and so forth
pliant violet
And how many of those were new
pliant violet
A hundred is really not all that hard when you think about it
arctic dagger
Yeah
pliant violet
Especially once you get through all the regional staples
arctic dagger
I'm gonna go grab my laptop so I can do this on a computer instead of my phone
azure crane
Your pseudolegend should be Bug/Normal just because.
arctic dagger
I think I'm gonna commit to Boston
pliant violet
Your pseudolegend should be Bug/Normal just because.
I ended up with poison fairy, but the second pseudo legend is normal fighting
Designing starters is easy once you decide what sort of themeing you’re working with
Like what is common across the three
arctic dagger
Ok so B/W has 69 regional lines
For starters I'm thinking of just color shifting the gen5 starters
languid lichen
B&W was also unique
in that it very deliberately included no older mons
in its regional dex
and used entirely new lines
arctic dagger
Water pig, fire serpent, grass otter?
languid lichen
b2w2 loosened up, but you should definitely not feel obligated to repeat that
arctic dagger
I definitely will
languid lichen
Water pig, fire serpent, grass otter?
i would be down with like a water buffalo
arctic dagger
I want to do some regional forms of some other Pokemon
That aren't in b/w or fakemon
arctic dagger
Cutting samurott already makes sense to me I think
Since it already has a regional form
languid lichen
fire/poison rattlesnake?
pliant violet
french nobility, japanese samurai, and emboar is themed after chinese empire