POKÉMON CENTER

[umbral hound]

The focus sash thing was intended to be, but not actually successfully an example of, commentary upon its fragility. As in, "look, its so fragile, it needs Focus Sash just to survive at all."

[arctic dagger]

Ah, fair.

[languid lichen]

fucking sucker punch poltergeist knock off sneak ele punches low kick

and fake out

and pjab to boot to hit fairies

[arctic dagger]

Yeah, it has great offensive movepool, it just doesn't matter. XD Including in its mega.

Personally I'd like to see it get an evo

[languid lichen]

yeah you're using koff or foul play

and then three defensive moves

[arctic dagger]

Sableye stats are actually bad enough to support an evo

And eviolite wouldn't break it

IMO

[languid lichen]

380 bst, yeah

it could get a solid 100 total stats and still be reasonable

in an evo

especially if it dropped prankster for a different sauite of util abilities

[arctic dagger]

Plus it lets you pivot it into a physical wall or something else interestingly different from the mega which is just a universal wall

Give it more hp/attack/def but not more special defense or something

Let it use its physical aggressive movepool better and still be a good physical wall

But not a universal wall like the mega

Visually you can have the clear crystals "Take over" like the mega has the red one do so

Maybe pull them out of its head and put them in its hands and do the whole "Holding my eyeballs" thing

I think it should probably keep Prankster tho', that's kinda its signature in a lot of ways

[languid lichen]

those aren't clear, by the way

[umbral hound]

that's just physical. It also has Shadow Ball, Dark Pulse, Hex, Snarl, Psychic, Power Gem, Energy Ball (although they're much more niche), Giga Drain, and Dazzling Gleam.

And, physically, you forgot to mention that it also has Drain Punch, Brick Break, Zen Headbutt, Throat Chop, X-Scissor, Gyro Ball, and Skitter Smack, most of which are, again, more niche, but still potentially good.

Oh, and it has Bulk Up and Calm Mind and Nasty Plot.

[languid lichen]

they're blue

[arctic dagger]

Yeah, it has real gen 1-3 movepool energy

[languid lichen]

supposed to be diamonds

[languid lichen]

the special movepool is a lot less exciting

i mostly just included the things that are usable on it

[umbral hound]

I assumed sapphires, to go with the rubies, and the single green gem/emerald in its back.

[arctic dagger]

Special movepool is mostly just More Damage

[languid lichen]

although that does include throat chop too

[arctic dagger]

Nah, pokedex says it's diamonds

I think

[languid lichen]

the back is also a diamond

[arctic dagger]

Nope

[languid lichen]

not green

[arctic dagger]

It does not

[languid lichen]

think it only has green gems in its shiny

[arctic dagger]

"It has pale blue, gemstone-like eyes, which allow it to see in low light and sparkle in the dark. It also has a red gemstone on its chest, and its back has a blue and green gemstone as well as another red one. These gem-like eyes and adornments on its body are caused by its diet, which consists of rocks and raw gemstones. Because of this, each individual Sableye can create an infinite number of patterns on its body. "

Well, apparently the gems are somewhat randomized even if the sprite doesn't reflect it

So we can make them whatever in the evo.

Make it a regional evo based on unique local gemstones?

[umbral hound]

True, but it's still good. It's just not as good in comparison to the physical movepool.

[arctic dagger]

It's good, but it's a lot of "This is a high power with good accuracy special attack" rather than "This does something COOL"

[umbral hound]

in gen 3 (note the green gem poking out the bottom)

[languid lichen]

oh that is tiny

didn't even notice it

[umbral hound]

in gen VI, it just has a single gem.

[arctic dagger]

Although honestly

I'd like to see Stall get reworked and made good somehow maybe.

Combine w/ Analytic or something

[languid lichen]

also i disagree with this pretty heavily

sableye got prankster along with a lot of other things that i associate with it pretty similarly strongly

sableye's only unique ability is actually Stall

which, yeah, i'd love to see get some kind of change to be a positive ability instead of a negative

something similar to mycelium might

[arctic dagger]

Having Prankster AND a buffed Stall could be pretty cool

[languid lichen]

which forces status to always go last

but gives them a moldy effect

[arctic dagger]

Where it can be going always last or always first

[languid lichen]

nah, sableye for prankster

evo for a stall equivalent

mega for bounce

three entirely different build focuses

instead of "mega or evo"

[arctic dagger]

Yeah, that's fair.

Otherwise the evo just means you never use normal sableye

[languid lichen]

evio mons that are actually useful sidegrades are interesting

and a rare sight

[umbral hound]

Sometimes it has a single diamond in its back; sometimes the two non-red gems differ more than other times. It really varies from generation to generation. Occasionally they look less like gems and more like metals or rocks.

[arctic dagger]

Makes sense with the description saying it's just based on what gems they pick up

[umbral hound]

And, per the stuffed Sableye I own:

(which looks extra Gremlin with how the arms ended up)

[languid lichen]

i wish that i could munch on geodes and get cool technicolor crystal skin...

[umbral hound]

https://tenor.com/view/sableye-pokemon-attack-shadow-claw-gif-27025364

he is just... my scrungly.

https://tenor.com/view/sableye-bored-thoughts-alone-lonely-gif-27019786

honestly every single aspect of his movepool is good. There's very very very few moves he wants and does not get. It's be neat if he got snow or sandstorm, though, as opposed to just sun and rain (slow prankster means winning weather wars against other prankster weather setters and still going before attacking moves). Likewise for any terrain move.

Interesting observation, which stands to reason: the artists for the TCG do not recieve images of the sprites from the new game in advance. This card is from the X/Y promo card set, but if you look at its back gem arrangement, it matches the arrangement used in gen 5:

note the red and green gem on the right, and blue gem on the left, which is, interestingly, horizontally inverted from most previous generations.

However, in X/Y, as far as I can tell from the wiki sprites, there is only a singular back gem, in the center of the back. Even if you say that it has a red and green gem and that those are both too small to appear and positioned so as to be hidden from this viewing angle, that would imply the blue gem was to the right and the red and green gems were to the left — which matches other generations, but not generation V and not the promotional card shown above.

...I have fallen down a rabbit hole.

[languid lichen]

now I want sableye to get like

spinda variants

with a fuckton of different gem placements

[snow cobalt]

plz

[umbral hound]

side note: Mega Sableye is like one of those "spot the difference" pictures because it seems at first glance that the only change is the Giant Shield, but in addition to changes to the shape of its head, it gets more gems on its back.

[arctic dagger]

I mean, also it could just be that rather than not seeing the new sprite, it's just not a thing they cared about.

All sableye from one region look the same in the sprites, but in lore they're all supposed to look somewhat different

So it doesn't really matter if the card matches the specific gem arrangement from any specific sprite

[umbral hound]

True, but it does specifically match a sprite.

[fickle thicket]

I like sableye

The sceungly

For someone who isn't at all into ghosts I sure do like ghost types a whole lot

[red rampart]

#general message

[karmic imp]

"You're pretty tough, for such a cute little thing"

Now that I have Fly out of battle, I can keep visiting the battle chateau

Also, is golett supposed to fall instantly to super effective attacks? Grass knot should've been mitigated by its lack of height

[red rampart]

Isn’t golett a pre evo?

[karmic imp]

Yes

[snow cobalt]

Isn't Grass Knot a weight trigger instead of a height trigger?

[karmic imp]

Oh, I see

[soft isle]

It is!

Stepnix ↩️

[Reply to:](#1160615504562638910 message) Isn't Grass Knot a weight trigger instead of a height trigger?

[karmic imp]

Males sense

[snow cobalt]

dense robo

[manic kindle]

even low base power supereffective damage can hurt

[honest cairn]

grass knot would be 80 base power on golett

[arctic dagger]

The weight check moves tend to be very generous imo

Low kick the best of them imo just because steel, rock, normal types tend to be pretty heavy

[azure crane]

Grass Knot is one of only two special moves that make contact.

The other is Draining Kiss.

We need more of them.

Huh, there are more than I thought.

[languid lichen]

just those two, petal dance, and infestation, right?

[azure crane]

No one has thought about Trump Card or Wring Out in ages, though.

[arctic dagger]

Hey I thought about Trump Card in Let's Go Eevee I think?

[languid lichen]

oh right, those moves don't exist anymore i think

[cerulean dune]

Yepyep, Trump Card and Wring Out aren't usable in Gen 8 or later (Sword/Shield).

[obtuse ravine]

i wish cyndaquil was a lil more popular ... no merch.......

i did see a typhlosion plushie but it didn't look right

😭

[pliant violet]

i love them

[obtuse ravine]

💖

i did get a lil figure

I'll unbox and post it

[pliant violet]

bless

[obtuse ravine]

they're free

[red rampart]

🥺

[obtuse ravine]

slightly goofy looking but i paid about 6 bucks so it is what it is

the goober

[azure crane]

[azure crane]

https://x.com/Taplaos/status/1505746570918072320

Taplaos (@Taplaos) on X

Trapinch doodles

Twitter · Mar 21, 2022, 3:22 AM

[foggy mango]

They're just little guys who like to M O N C H

[umbral hound]

I am still firmly convinced that there was a typo in the code in Indigo Disk when they made ||Kieran's Hydrapple Tera Fighting, when it would make infinitely more sense in every way for it to be Tera Fire||.

||Wait, it does have Tera Blast... I thought it literally had no fighting STAB and was running Flamethrower for coverage. And as a doubles partner it has Body Press (although not when you face him).||

||But it has Gyro Ball????|| I wondering if someone at Game Freak tried to really cook with these movesets, and someone else said "no, pull back a bit, don't make the combo that good" like ||having a crit-focused Kingdra who benefits from Dragon Cheer... and who has Swift Swim instead of Sniper.||

||I guess if that wasn't the case nobody would tera fighting ever in the game? Because the BB league types match the Team Star types and those bosses don't tera...|| it's still supremely weird, though.

(Fun fact I also recently noticed: Each BB Elite 4 member has a specialization which is weaks to the specialization of whoever ranks just below them (fire > steel > fairy > dragon).)

[manic kindle]

Beat the johto league in Crystal Legacy on hard mode - lives up to its name!

I restricted myself to only johto mons which was fun

[soft isle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7uZVkxp_q4

We aren't the biggest fans of the fourth generation, but we have to admit, it had some of the best music of the franchise.

[honest cairn]

https://youtu.be/sZAA2IQH20Y?si=PYFy_WqGy1h-D7A2

they cooked

the roster choices for this game are tasteful

[arctic dagger]

This is a Pokemon fighting game?

[honest cairn]

yep its a 3 button indie fighter

[arctic dagger]

Motion inputs?

[honest cairn]

im not sure, but i think so

what a great lineup

https://wiki.gbl.gg/w/Pokemon:_Close_Combat/Breloom

heres a wiki if you wanna check it out

its free i think

[soft isle]

we would absolutely play it but unfortunately it doesn't have rollback

[honest cairn]

yeah ive only played locally but thats a bummer

[pliant violet]

Been following off and on for a bit it’s very fun

Tyrogue is inspired and they went at it with guts

Also the art is beyond good

It’s all hand drawn and that works so well

[foggy mango]

Look at the bois

[pliant violet]

https://tenor.com/view/falinks-pokemon-gif-9270566449801523911

I respect their commitment to only fighting types

[foggy mango]

All they need now for me is my samurai ronin owl and we’ll be good

https://tenor.com/view/rowlet-decideye-roll-pokemon-gif-24868731

[pliant violet]

The art and animation alone sells me on this

[cerulean dune]

Very likely, from what I've seen of Indigo Disk, it's closer to VGC/competitive teams than before.

[umbral hound]

Yeah, it's closer, which is why the points where they pull their punches are all the more conspicuous.

[arctic dagger]

Personally a little sad about that

They're also all physical fighting types

Gimme Lucario and infernape or something IDK

Kommoo

[languid lichen]

blaziken is mixed

[arctic dagger]

Yeah so is infernape

[languid lichen]

lucario does seem like a shoe-in, though

[arctic dagger]

I generally of the two think of infernape as the more special side and Blaziken as the more physical one

Due to move pool iirc?

[languid lichen]

infernape has a more physical movepool

and identical offenses

blaziken also has a more physical movepool

[arctic dagger]

Iirc Blaziken doesn't have focus blast is mostly what I mean

[languid lichen]

and iirc like 10 more atk than spatk

[arctic dagger]

Focus ball?

The 120 power one that's inaccurate

[languid lichen]

blast

[pliant violet]

I know at least one of them was chosen by vote

Also I very much admire their Tyrogue implementation

[karmic imp]

Dunsparce makes underground tunnels
Normal type

[manic kindle]

Funny tsuchinoko

[azure crane]

Dunsparce and its evolution are my absolute favorites.

[soft isle]

The fact that they made its evolution dudunsparce was objectively the funniest thing GF could’ve done

[obtuse ravine]

https://fxtwitter.com/ssd_h2p7/status/1831664260637991356

persona 4 n pokemon 😌

[obtuse ravine]

gonna give that a watch

[soft isle]

https://rainbowdevs.com/title/brown/ Pokemon Brown just got a huge update

[arctic dagger]

What's Pokemon Brown?

Btw

BEHOLD

THE TRUEST SPIRIT OF COMPETITIVE POKEMON

https://youtu.be/cq5QyEV3Epo

[pliant violet]

Belly drum

[arctic dagger]

It looks like the meta is mostly around coil + baton pass, berries + baton pass, choice items, tera ghost for dodging normal/fighting, tera electric for thunder + paralyze immunity, and tera dark for sucker punch

Belly drum just dies in one hit to a brick break IIRC

[pliant violet]

Then they’re all cowards

[verbal shoal]

Oh shit???

We are so back

[arctic dagger]

Can I get a summary of brown?

[soft isle]

it's a romhack Red of with a whole new region and a bunch of good qol features

we haven't tried it ourselves but we've heard excellent things about it

[manic kindle]

Yooooo rijon

Brown and Prism rule

[arctic dagger]

I'll give it a look then

[manic kindle]

Prism is one of my fave romhacks

[karmic imp]

Is night shade a good move?

[languid lichen]

yes, but generally speaking not for someone that asks

night shade and seismic toss are good moves for mons with abysmal attacking stats (or mons with blazingly mediocre attack stats into things with good bulk)

but usually this tends to mean like

exactly blob

(chansey & blissey)

a significant majority of the time, the mons that learn seismic or night shade are better off just using an attack move

when you're at the specific points in the game where you have a mon with night shade and no good STAB moves (and aren't fully-evolved), it beats out equivalents

(unless you EV trained)

(EV training also shoves attack moves ahead of night shade again most of the time)

[karmic imp]

I see thanks

So my current highest level mons are
Delphox, lucario, golett, amaura, blastoise, axew
Oh I need to train gyarados

[arctic dagger]

Yeah none of those probably want to use night shade

It's really for pure defense Pokemon

[manic kindle]

it is worth noting that, in-game, it can be nice for capturing/training pokemon as well as some niche early/mid game use cases

depending on game/generation

but otherwise as noted its mostly gunna be for like, chansey and dusclops

[arctic dagger]

Iirc there's a bit where ghastly can have night shade or astonish

And it is in fact better than astonish

[manic kindle]

it will always be better given gastly's craptastic attack stat, yeah

[round perch]

https://youtu.be/rwAGh2aVcqs?si=lrnwzeifZzLA1Zc2

[manic kindle]

https://vxtwitter.com/emilie_DQ/status/1832763211176894839?t=O2z2BoAdiJx8SazVR8irtw&s=19

[wispy yarrow]

forfeit all mortal possessions to psyduck

[karmic imp]

I'm playing XY. Is there some recommendation to get some pokemon?

[arctic dagger]

Fire/Psychic, Steel/Fighting, Ghost/Ground, Water, Dragon

Nah that's fine typing

Oh, and Ice/Rock

[karmic imp]

Cool. Just gonna train a bit some interesting weaker pokemon, then continue the story

Trying to do different strategies, but keep defaulting to "beeg attack"

[azure crane]

https://x.com/misersdream/status/1832572463395266981

tina (@misersdream) on X

lesbian experience

Twitter · Sep 8, 2024, 12:11 AM

[red rampart]

@woven geyser

[karmic imp]

Only way I can experience twitter now

[foggy mango]

Very important fact from Pokémon Sleep: Flareon wraps its floof around itself when it sleeps

[arctic dagger]

https://youtu.be/YbCQOorYM7U

High Culture

[karmic imp]

What's best to put EVs in for survivability?

[foggy mango]

It depends. For a more generalist survival build, it's usually a split between defenses and going full 252 in HP, but that's assuming the Pokemon in question has the natural bulk for that.

If a Pokemon has one defense stat that's way higher than the other like say Steelix, then you go all in on the lower defense stat and HP.

[karmic imp]

Aight. Got my delphox to 119 hp, 80 defense, 109 sp atk, 98 sp defense, 107 speed

Finished traininh

Went for sp atk and speed

Now it's 110 and 108

[foggy mango]

That should be fine, especially since most of the trainers in most of the games don't use EV trained Pokemon (you only have to worry about that in the D/P remakes I think?). The only suggestion I have, if you're up to it, is to round off stats so that they're all multiples of 4.

[karmic imp]

Why?

[foggy mango]

It's to help maximize how much you're getting out of the effort values.

It's really not important at the end of the day unless you're doing competitive

Which, if you were doing competitive, would get infinitely worse because you would then have to look at which EV values would work in such a manner that they round out perfectly... yeah, I think I'm a little bit too lost in the weeds when it comes to EVs...

[arctic dagger]

Yeah if you're just playing the main games, IV and EV basically don't matter

[manic kindle]

if anything they tend to trivialize the game, especially in older gens

gen 1 stat experience is so, so silly

[foggy mango]

thousand yard stare to when I decided to effort train an aerodactyl in FireRed recently

Without the Macho Brace, mind you

[karmic imp]

Can you even fight online anymore on the 3ds

The servers are down

[foggy mango]

No. The 3DS server is dead, though it should be noted that I believe you can still use Pokemon Bank to transfer Pokemon out of the 3DS games into Pokemon Home

[karmic imp]

Yeah. Ran to have it downloaded

[arctic dagger]

But why

[foggy mango]

It was Jolly and it had Rock Head

[arctic dagger]

...So?

[foggy mango]

That's it. I did it on a whim, and I regretted every step of it

[arctic dagger]

Yeah, I'm sure lmao

THat just sounds awful

[foggy mango]

It gets better though...

||He actually didn't do a whole lot when I did the Elite Four. It turns out Magneton being a Steel Type is really, really strong||

[arctic dagger]

Yeah, I'm not surprised. Not sure why you spoiiler tagged that either tbh

[foggy mango]

Just for comedic effect

[manic kindle]

i dont mind older gen EV training

i find it relaxing in some ways

[arctic dagger]

I don't like grinding in anything so

I'm just innately against it XD

[foggy mango]

It's also gratifying when you do it right in the old games and you see that big ol' +14 when you level up

[manic kindle]

im just built different

[arctic dagger]

I'll believe you, I literally always just mash past the stat increases

[karmic imp]

Xy makes the EV grind engaging tho, so nice
Level grinding is monotonous tho

[manic kindle]

yeah xy added minigames

but theres a joy in it for me in looking up the right pokemon to beat up x number of times

[karmic imp]

Evil

That poor species

[arctic dagger]

Meanwhile me playing almost all romhacks where the absolutely worst I have to do for EV training is fight the same trainer over and over

For the trainers designed to have EV training

XD

[foggy mango]

EV training in the classical manner has also gotten way faster since Gen III, so that's something I can truly appreciate now thanks to my experience doing Aerodactyl in Gen III

[fickle thicket]

If O, S and X aren't up there I'm rioting

[arctic dagger]

I believe except for the first one, he rates them purely on how useful they are to hang things on

So I expect s and x are rated well, but I bet o is rated very poorly

[fickle thicket]

Well in that case O would be bottom ass tier

[azure crane]

https://fxtwitter.com/Tsukasa_pika/status/1833169361869451518

[azure crane]

https://x.com/PokemonGems/status/1832819630034837852

Pokemon Gems (@PokemonGems) on X

Twitter · Sep 8, 2024, 4:33 PM

[umbral hound]

If they ever make a sableye evo with non-awful stats that thing could be a menace. Imagine Bulk Up/Drain Punch/Shadow Sneak/Knock Off with good stats. Or Poltergeist and Throat Chop if you want more raw damage. Or Poison Jab if you want coverage. Or Sucker Punch if you want alternate STAB.

Or Nasty Plot/Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball/Dazzling Gleam, or you can swap Dark Pulse for Snarl if you want more utility and a STAB spread move, or Calm Mind for a more defensive set possibly with Giga Drain, or Hex if there's statuses going around, or Energy Ball/Psychic/Power Gem if certain types of coverage are unusually desirable.

[karmic imp]

Sableye sucks?

[arctic dagger]

Its stats? Yes.

Sableye? No.

[earnest nacelle]

They even had to hard-nerf it when it came out 😂

[languid lichen]

huh?

[earnest nacelle]

Stall.

It had an ability that made its moves always go last.

GF vastly overestimated how powerful a no-weaknesses 'mon would be.

[languid lichen]

that was not when it came out.

sableye's sole ability in gen 3 was keen eye

[earnest nacelle]

Oh really? Huh

[languid lichen]

yes

stall was added in gen 4

prankster in gen 5

[earnest nacelle]

blink blink

[arctic dagger]

It was really bad in gen3 iirc

It was.... 4-6 it was good?

And then in 7 with Misty terrain everywhere it was bad

And never recovered

I think?

[olive kayak]

it was completely unplayable in gen 3. It saw very limited play in early VGC doubles played on gen 4.

It was a staple in gen 5, and fell off in gen 6 when whimsicott got fairy typing and other better prankster mons emerged. It still saw play, but was not considered OP, especially since the only two seasons of gen 6 VGC were both dominated by hyper offence.

We might have seen a different world if they did sensible things like ban SB Blaziken and Lando, but alas.

Gen 6 VGC developed into one of the narrowest metas in history, and that's probably why everyone has their own opinion of Gen 6 VGC: almost nobody remembers it because almost nobody played it.

oh it did run a third season, what was VGC 2016 like? I all but forgot.

I didn't play at all, I was fed up

[languid lichen]

I don't play vgc

so i have no idea

[arctic dagger]

Oh yeah I have no idea about vgc lmao

[olive kayak]

oh and honestly I have almost no idea about gen 6 singles, I played a lot of gen 5 OU and I don't think ever saw sableye? Deep into the lower UU viability ranks, okay that's more what I thought

I may sound confusing I've been retired a while and I've had a couple drinks >_>

[manic kindle]

vgc is mostly what i play

as far as in-game usages, Sableye's fine in gen3 given the ghost/dark typing had reliable immunities and access to just enough reliable moves to make it all work out (faint attack, shadow ball, good TMs) but likely got replaced later in runs given its low stat totals

in x/y you get it in the 20s and sun/moon early on enough to be of use against Hala in some aspects, but there's a lot of team slot competition in those games

[umbral hound]

Sableye is my scrungly and does interesting things with Prankster but isn't perfect.

[olive kayak]

yeah ingame there are quite a few decent uses for sableye in most games. It's not a pokemon I'm usually jumping out of my seat for in a serious nuzlocke, but it's usually one that ends up getting some spotlight time in some weird line or another.

I often compare it to Shiftry for that despite their vastly different typing.

They both tend to have the same flaws of "questionable movepool and too damn slow"

[languid lichen]

shiftry now has wind rider tailwind

[umbral hound]

Sableye has an amazing movepool. It just has bad stats.

[olive kayak]

true; I haven't really explored gens 8 and 9 much. There isn't a lot there for me, with competition being what it is these days and the interesting nuzlockes mostly being on earlier gens

[languid lichen]

sableye never had a bad movepool

that's not a gen 8+ thing

recovery, koff, foul play, taunt, all three standard status moves, rocks I think, etc.

always had what it needed other than numbers

[olive kayak]

That's fair. In the worst cases of a nuzlocke with limited resources, it's still a fake out mon with two immunities.

No paralysis tho btw

Burn and confusion, I don't think it gets a sleep move in any gen either?

oh it finally got twave added in gen 9

looks like it got a LOT added in gen 9. Icy Wind can be useful, dual screens, prankster skill swap can do some weirdness, ENCORE??? okay, it got a hell of a glow up

[umbral hound]

Didn't it have Encore for a while too?

[olive kayak]

added in gen 9

looking at the history, looks like the bulk of its good moves were

for a utility mon it has...a reasonable number of tools, but there are quite a few others that do its job. I'm not arguing Sableye is a BAD pokemon, but until gen 9 I have a hard time saying it's better than decent.

I've never been amazed by it but I've never really been disappointed when it drops into a run either.

we'll see how it fares in renegade platinum if I do a new game minus because it looks like it's going to be forced

I didn't get it in my current run.

I dont' even remember what I got in that cave. Garbage? garbage.

that's the one thing I don't like about having a nuzlocke go really well, you get some interesting things in the box you probably don't even use once

box depth can be cool tho. Got a few shiftry frags, masquerain ended up in the double digits, but at the end of the day infernape got two hundred and thirty and that's just pokemon

monkey go punch

[foggy mango]

Funnily enough, Shiftry also got a bit of a glow-up in Gen IX since it lost Early Bird for Wind Rider, which gives it an Attack boost every time a wind-based move is used. Also Wind Rider makes it immune to wind-based moves like Icy Wind and Heat Wave.

[umbral hound]

regardless of how good it is, it's my favorite.

[olive kayak]

❤️

as a vaporeon enjoyer that has watched its glory days fade into obscurity, I'll still play it any chance I get.

I still love the crazy winona cook I came up with when I was first learning to nuzlocke and discovering the power of obscure pokemon. I was doing Emerald no EVs and turns out all you need is solrock lol.

[foggy mango]

Boosts the Pokémon's Attack stat if Tailwind takes effect or if the Pokémon is hit by a wind move. The Pokémon also takes no damage from wind moves.
What wind rider does, btw

[languid lichen]

I did in fact mention wind rider the message after the one you quoted

[foggy mango]

Whoops I didn’t see that. My bad

[soft isle]

https://www.tumblr.com/cyndaquilism/761407137008222208 @obtuse ravine

[obtuse ravine]

that's me!!

got my little guy ™️

[soft isle]

😌

[azure crane]

[azure crane]

https://x.com/fourleafisland/status/1833878800540561471?s=46

🍀 (@fourleafisland) on X

(a little longer than) 10 minute clodsire warmup (more ic)

Twitter · Sep 11, 2024, 2:42 PM

[round perch]

https://x.com/RhymeWithRay/status/1833938565237260718?t=hzS0sMjLX8G_rtTdAgk3SQ&s=19

Ray₍ᐢ.‸.ᐢ₎ (@RhymeWithRay) on X

🕷️🕸️Joltik Gijinka Design cm/sn!

Twitter · Sep 11, 2024, 6:40 PM

[arctic dagger]

SO CUTE

Also more types for Too Many Types

Goth/Punk pokemon

[graceful quartz]

So uh. Figured I'd share this here. Started writing it a week ago. Was recommended to share it in this thread as well.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/shaded-silk-pokemon-oc-isekai.1184962/#post-104686114

First time putting something I've written on a website, so please go easy on me. ^^;

[karmic imp]

You write? Cool!

[graceful quartz]

A little. Not amazing or anything.

[karmic imp]

Oh, oc insert rather than self insert

[graceful quartz]

Indeed!

[manic kindle]

https://vxtwitter.com/Pokemon/status/1834306095411568800?t=SaTHJ9d6Xalld87Ljd-oZw&s=19

👀

[soft isle]

Remake time?

[manic kindle]

I believe in Colosseum 3

[soft isle]

That would be lovely.

[mellow robin]

this is really sick, I particularly like the trade made with the other Spinarak

There's a strong feeling that this is an environment that the OC is used to living in

[arctic dagger]

SPOODER

[manic kindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmOGOVD3Vfc

[graceful quartz]

Thanks! I'm glad to hear you're enjoying it so far.

[azure crane]

https://x.com/avhycch3x80kcue/status/1834208024548049370

フキダシコットン『1日1枚‼』 (@avHYCcH3x80KCUE) on X

半分こアイスをドラメシヤに買ってあげるドラパルト
#ポケモン #Pokémon #イラスト #ポケモンSV

Twitter · Sep 12, 2024, 12:30 PM

[pliant violet]

This is important

[soft isle]

🥺

[red rampart]

https://x.com/Bulbagarden/status/1834575678961799302

Bulbagarden - The original Pokémon community (@Bulbagarden) on X

it's her first birthday

Twitter · Sep 13, 2024, 12:51 PM

[foggy mango]

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-my-beloved-teal-mask-gif-12058198746172826119

[red rampart]

Oh god getting the latest Twitter art trend to embed correctly is gonna be a pain
https://fixvx.com/quikyu_art/status/1834411343006375967

…or not, nice

[graceful quartz]

Chapter 5 of my story, Shaded Silk, is now available.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/shaded-silk-pokemon-oc-isekai.1184962/post-104842609

[obtuse ravine]

miltank rollout

childhood dream crusher

[azure crane]

https://fxtwitter.com/ayyk92/status/1834357443763339600

[obtuse ravine]

that third one is kinda cursed

😨

[azure crane]

https://www.deviantart.com/radenwa/art/Azumarill-Gijinka-922684735

[trail bridge]

https://vxtwitter.com/AndyLaVGC/status/1834611083505447065?t=Hc4fl5Z67HjnuWSlknLDjw&s=19

WOLFEY NOOOOO

😭

[obtuse ravine]

https://fxtwitter.com/poqu_a_doodle/status/1824237148473589879

[graceful quartz]

Oh right, forgot I was recommended to cross-post my story in here. Not sure if updates are appropriate to mention here as well, but here goes.

Chapter 6 of my story, Shaded Silk, is now available.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/shaded-silk-pokemon-oc-isekai.1184962/post-104894938

[arctic dagger]

I appreciate it

[mellow robin]

Banger chapter

[arctic dagger]

Trying pokemon prism

Enjoying it so far

[manic kindle]

Its fun

[arctic dagger]

I feel like the new types are a bit underused

There's like, 2-3 of Gas and Sound

Total

[manic kindle]

you can feel how early that game was in the romhacking world

iirc Pokemon Brown, the game preceding Prism, is over 20 years old now

which is nuts

[arctic dagger]

Yeah

I'm enjoying it so far but there's so clearly so much better dungeon design and stuff since then

Things like less backtracking

Removal of poison in overworld effects...

[manic kindle]

yeah

but i enjoy the rijon games cuz you can sort of see their effect on later roms / similar roms

its like... foundational, in a way

[arctic dagger]

I'm at second gym and considering dropping it, but it was fun.

[manic kindle]

id say thats fine tbh, its a long game

[arctic dagger]

It's just very rough compared to modern takes.

Yeah

I played for like, 5 hours today or something?

And I reached the 2nd gym but haven't even unlocked the ability to go in yet

XD

[manic kindle]

i know im a fan but im just the kind of guy who likes it when the games are... more faithful/similar to the gens its in

its got a nostalgia factor

[arctic dagger]

Nod

I played through all the original games on a crummy laptop when I was in the Army

[manic kindle]

thats a very vivid image

i should see if any new QoL/modern mods of rom games have been completed recently

i know Emerald Legacy is still super early in dev

im so eager for that to hit 1.0

[arctic dagger]

You get REALLY bored sitting in the warehouse at 4am because someone has to be awake in case of an emergency to unlock everything

Welcome to Nightvale was my guard duty listening because you couldn't be watching something

[manic kindle]

good choice

[arctic dagger]

And I played all of pokemon you could emulate at the time

[manic kindle]

nightvale got me through night shift warehouse work

[arctic dagger]

WtNV while on Army guard duty in the desert is a hell of a drug

[manic kindle]

also if you havent tried it, Emerald Rogue's latest updates are pretty good

once you get the ball rolling you get a lot of fun customization / ev / iv stuff going

[arctic dagger]

I tried it

I didn't feel like it was substantially different than it was before

Like, I think it would have been a better experience for a first play

But as a second play it wasn't enough for me to want to grind up again

[manic kindle]

perfectly fair

[red rampart]

https://x.com/muku_jirushi/status/1835332218186789194
@glacial ore

む🎨く (@muku_jirushi) on X

耳ぺたニンフィア

Twitter · Sep 15, 2024, 2:57 PM

[obtuse ravine]

omg

🥺

[fickle thicket]

sorry but what in the world are THOSE

[arctic dagger]

Azumarill?

[near flower]

azumarill with huge power

[trail bridge]

that huge power drip

[azure crane]

https://x.com/cco00oo/status/1835625726269063545

olyester (@cco00oo) on X

F

Twitter · Sep 16, 2024, 10:24 AM

[manic kindle]

https://vxtwitter.com/The_Ultra_Nerd/status/1835740438701244674

this is cute

[arctic dagger]

It is

I feel like the difference between the art styles is a little disconcerting

[near flower]

i love him

[arctic dagger]

Truth.

Looks very high

[near flower]

me on the weekends after a paycheck hits

[languid lichen]

https://vxtwitter.com/pokemonszn/status/1835437274462392534

[near flower]

lairon :)

[pliant violet]

Pokémon artworks

[obtuse ravine]

✨

[graceful quartz]

Chapter 7 of my story, Shaded Silk, is now available.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/shaded-silk-pokemon-oc-isekai.1184962/page-8#post-104951551

[manic kindle]

https://vxtwitter.com/richlesbianceo_/status/1836080763680281019?t=5NjDaY7fE1GEDs1K5MM2cQ&s=19

[arctic dagger]

Looking for Romhack recommendations, preferably new regions

[foggy mango]

I love that this is how the game reveals that Lacey is Clay's daughter

[manic kindle]

Played Gaia yet?

Ive had my eyes on Pokemon Odyssey as my next hack once i finish my current one

[arctic dagger]

Nope

Sell me on Gaia?

[manic kindle]

QoL modern gba style with stuff like mega evo
Focus on archaelogy / Regis as a region
Does a really good job of feeling like a Pokemon game in pacing and tone in the best ways
Actually nice puzzles

A fun screenshot

[snow cobalt]

ooooh

[manic kindle]

Most importantly to me its Finished

[foggy mango]

https://youtu.be/jfSKAvbAUUk?si=zC6_gUKkD-lViuVk

[arctic dagger]

Nice

I'll give it a shot

[azure crane]

https://fixupx.com/Azure_Wolfe/status/1836117526956138606

[mellow robin]

I also dig Gaia
I think the routes are really well decorated, and the rival is a pretty cool character, too
I think I played it through roughly the sixth gym I think

[manic kindle]

its got a cool endgame!

[obtuse ravine]

aughhh

poor guys

[karmic imp]

So, ice has a lot of weaknesses. How to deal with that?

[manic kindle]

As in, you are using ice-type pokemon?

Generally you want to leverage the fact that Ice moves hit a lot of stuff for good damage, really.

[foggy mango]

If you're going against it, Ice type Pokemon tend to also favor Special Defense over Defense (exception being largely Avalugg) if they're defensive

[languid lichen]

you only run ice types that are fast with good coverage and hit hard

because defensively the ice type is unsalvageable

i.e. weavile, mamoswine, ninetales

it doesn't need to be lightning fast

but

TPC is addicted to making slow ice types with high bulk and bad offenses

[foggy mango]

Or they have Ice Shard. Not ideal, but priority Ice move is pretty damn good

[languid lichen]

which is literally the opposite of what they need to be functional

poor avalugg

and walrein

and aurorus

and glaceon

and frosmoth

and alolan sandslash

and regice

[arctic dagger]

Yeah, offensive ice types are really good generally

[languid lichen]

the list does not stop

but on the other hand, the rare fast offensive ice type is always cracked

[arctic dagger]

Well

Mamoswine

[languid lichen]

mamoswine has 80 speed

[arctic dagger]

And priority

But it's also pretty defensive

[languid lichen]

scathingly mediocre in the modern day

but

still good

good enough to use, at leastr

along with an incredible offensive type combo and yeah, ice shard

[foggy mango]

Alolan Sandslash does get Slush Rush tbf, which when paired with Snowstorm can be pretty potent if you can keep up Snowstorm

[arctic dagger]

"Good enough to use" can be a really low bar sometimes

Depending on how you're playing

[foggy mango]

Keyword being IF

[manic kindle]

doenst matter in a pve / story playthrough, just be aware they'll get hit hard so hit back harder

[arctic dagger]

Yeah

[manic kindle]

but if this is comp, yeah the usable ice types dips to very low numbers

[languid lichen]

yeah fair, buy a scarf

if you're in pve

[arctic dagger]

Alolan Ninetails**
Mamoswine
Froslass
Revavroom*
Baxcalibur
Walrein

Is my ice type team

[manic kindle]

choice items in pve ewwwww

[arctic dagger]

For Snow/Hail compositions

[languid lichen]

the instant choice items become accessible in your playthrough

grab a scarf and spam ice beam

[arctic dagger]

I mean, that really depends on game

[languid lichen]

because most ice types need it lmao

[arctic dagger]

@manic kindle challenge runs scarf items are super fair game IMO

Liek if you're doing a difficulty hack

[manic kindle]

i just hate choice items outside of exactly competitive

[arctic dagger]

But yeah normal pokemon? Scarf items are super unnecessary.

[foggy mango]

And that only applies in Gen IX since snowstorm only exists in Gen IX and I think Legends Arceus

[manic kindle]

choice items are just one of those things i'd remove from the game if i had a choice haha

[arctic dagger]

Ok but Slush Rush also works with hail

I think they're interesting but too good IMO

They crowd out other options, I'd like to see them have a lower % boost

But I think "Can only use one move" is actually a really interesting design space

[foggy mango]

I know, but Snowstorm also gives Ice-type Pokemon a defense buff

Whereas Hail forces you to build around Ice-types almost exclusively

[manic kindle]

my boy Slowking can set up snow

[arctic dagger]

Sure but how much is going to outspeed slush rush sandslash anyway

Chilly Reception is so great

I love having a reason to run Slowking over Slowbro

Slowbro has just been so much better for so long

[languid lichen]

fun fact

[manic kindle]

tell a joke so bad it snows

[languid lichen]

galarian slowking is like

300000000% better

[arctic dagger]

Yeah, I'm aware but

[languid lichen]

mostly because gbro nerfs the hell out of its statline with 100 atk

[arctic dagger]

Gen 2 to Gen 7 is a long ass fucking time

[languid lichen]

yeah

just funny how the turn tables

this shit still got me fucking shaking

UU ttar

UU chomp

[arctic dagger]

Yeah

I mean, 4x fighting weakness is a sonofabitch

And no pursuit

[manic kindle]

good riddance pursuit

[languid lichen]

even in gen 8 ttar was truckin along

but now

it's in UU with garchomp, toxapex, and greninja

this is a world of madness

[arctic dagger]

Shrug

Paradox pokemon yo

It turns out when you release about 20 legendary stat line pokemon with free boosts

They're good

So if what you had going for you was being a pseudolegendary

Meh

Just stats? Run a paradox

[languid lichen]

and also dragapult exists

but ttar and chomp were never "just stats"

it was always everything about em

but now that everything pales in comparison to hyperoptimized shaved-off stat spreads

[arctic dagger]

I mean. They had good coverage, Ttar's typing was often just a disadvantage.

[languid lichen]

with even more optimized movepools and abilities

[arctic dagger]

Ever since non-infinite weather Ttar has MOSTLY been for stats and coverage

[languid lichen]

ttar's typing is a disadvantage that also made it wall like a third of OU for the past decade

bc 100/110/100 with sandstorm is cracked

and it had good matchups despite its massive spread of weaknesses

[karmic imp]

That's the fossil I picked in xy
Oops

[arctic dagger]

I mean

[languid lichen]

AMAURA IS SO CUTE

[arctic dagger]

The trex isn't a lot better

[languid lichen]

I LOVE IT

BUT

SLOW, DEFENSIVE ICE TYPE

AND SLOW, DEFENSIVE ROCK TYPE

[arctic dagger]

Shrug I mean, yeah, but it still wrecks in XY

[languid lichen]

ttrum is like a million percent better lol

[arctic dagger]

Ttrum doesn't evolve until later IIRC and takes a long time to get its good moves

[languid lichen]

rock head head smash with ddance does a lot

what

they're both 39

fossils are basically always synchronized

[manic kindle]

dont worry they're optimized-brained

[arctic dagger]

Well, I misremembered that, but don't pretend Aurorus doesn't kick ass in XY

[manic kindle]

you just play with the mons you want

[karmic imp]

Ah cool

Amaura is cute

[arctic dagger]

Yeah, they're STRICTLY talking about PvP singles

DWAI

[languid lichen]

yeah in-game you can mostly outlevel by 10-20 and outspeed

except with like

double the statline

[karmic imp]

And I invested time in training it

[arctic dagger]

Or you can be roughyl the same level

And not outspeed

And still be good

It's FINE

[karmic imp]

So, ice type is best at glass cannons?

[languid lichen]

i'm also talking about pve battle tower shit and occasionally pvp doubles

yeah

[arctic dagger]

Mostly, yes.

[languid lichen]

ice and rock are very funny

in that TPC is addicted to making them slow and fat

instead of fast fraggers

[arctic dagger]

But again, in PvE, it just doesn't matter.

[languid lichen]

but their defensive typing sucks ass and their offensive spreads are busted

so every time an ice or rock type is fast and strong instead of slow and tough it's like 10x better

i really wish tpc would cook some type balancing and give ice uh

any resistances at all

it's been the worst type for every gen in the game, give em some help

glaceon my beloved

my baby

my boy

please

[arctic dagger]

On the other hand, like, Cryogonal is great, Cetitan is great, Mr. Rime is awesomje, Walrein is great, Lapras is great, Cloyster is great, Baxcalibur is great

[soft isle]

We've wanted to run a hail team so many times but ice feels so bad to use ;_;

[arctic dagger]

These are all fairly defensive ice types

[karmic imp]

It's funny. I saw a good pokemon quest that had Ice represent hiding emotions and weakness, so it gave a dedensive impression

[languid lichen]

cryogonal has zero coverage

[arctic dagger]

That DOES NOT MATTER in PvE

These pokemon all kick absolute ass in PvE

[languid lichen]

i mean everything except some bug types is fine in pve

or rather

in story

[arctic dagger]

Wax doesn't play competitive 1v1s

THat I've noticed

Giving advice for competitive when it's not what they're doing

[languid lichen]

frontiers are also a bit rougher

[arctic dagger]

Isn't useful

[karmic imp]

Yeah, I'd love to pvp one day but currently can't

[arctic dagger]

"Don't use any of the defensive ice types" when in their context, defensive ice types are just fine because the AI isn't trying to take advantage o fit, or you know the gym leader is all grass type, or whatever

Is just not useful advice

[soft isle]

we've been thinking about a PvE hail team for Platinum sometime running Abomasnow with Glaceon as an ace

that'll be super fun when we try it out 😌

[arctic dagger]

That does sound fun!

[manic kindle]

Abomasnow-Glaceon-Weavile make a nice trio

[soft isle]

ooooh

[arctic dagger]

My favorite ice type is and always will be probably Ninetales

.>

Just such a baller

[soft isle]

Alolan Ninetales is so good

[arctic dagger]

Blizzard, Moonblast, Aurora Veil, something else

[foggy mango]

Also, historically speaking, Ice type Pokemon in Gen I were usually also Water. It was only Jynx and Articuno that were not Water types as well.
But yeah, none of this really means much when it comes to PvE. Pokemon is balanced enough such that you generally shouldn't have a bad time regardless of what you use

[languid lichen]

my favorite ice type is now chien-pao

it's so fucking rad

[arctic dagger]

And yeah, Jynx was BALLER in gen1

It's worth noting

[languid lichen]

was froslass for a while

then amaura

[arctic dagger]

Froslass is also great

[foggy mango]

<.<

.>

I don't know if I have a favo- oh wait, it's Galarian Darmanitan

[arctic dagger]

Ofc being psychic type ANYTHING in gen1 meant you could only really be so bad probably

[soft isle]

Due to there being an eeveelution in my system I am contractually obligated to say that Glaceon is my favorite ice type

[arctic dagger]

Lmao

[foggy mango]

A Pokemon with the ability Gorilla Tactics cannot be bad

[soft isle]

you know what. We should do a mono ice playthrough of a game sometime

that sounds really fun

[arctic dagger]

I always forget post game legendaries and mythics exist TBH

[foggy mango]

And as someone who suffers from terminal gorilla brain thanks to watching too much Gintama, that's a win in my book

[arctic dagger]

I kept getting Celebi and uh... The star ojne that's steel type

Confused

For ages and ages

[languid lichen]

jirachi?

[foggy mango]

Jirachi

[soft isle]

are there any gen 4 abilities that interact with hail other than Snow Cloak and Ice Body?

[arctic dagger]

Yeah that one

[foggy mango]

I think that's it

[arctic dagger]

Because they're both cute weird post game pokemon

[languid lichen]

don't think so

slush rush was iirc gen 7

[foggy mango]

Slush Rush was gen VII yeah

#SandslashStayWinning

[soft isle]

Gamefreak why did you never give Slush Rush to Glaceon what the hell

[arctic dagger]

You can put Magic Guard and Overcoat in hail teams too

Not just ice types

[soft isle]

we'd probably be doing this in a gen 4 game, we're on kind of a gen 4 kick rn

[foggy mango]

Okay fair. Being able to shoehorn Kommo-o/Escavalier into a hail team is always worth it

[arctic dagger]

Well, Forretress is hella

[manic kindle]

snow cloak with bright powder is a fun sort of annoying

[languid lichen]

oh wait, if you count pre-gen 4 there's also castform's forecast

[arctic dagger]

Ah no wait overcoat is the hidden ability

RIP

[foggy mango]

Dead

[arctic dagger]

Clefable or Sigilyph?

No, sigilyph is gen5

Not 4

Clefable!

😄

[foggy mango]

You do also get Alakazam...? No, that's hidden ability

[karmic imp]

Looking at asphodel in mourning

Had the funny realization Bug would be the skill for dealing with pokemon's equivalent of the furry community

[karmic imp]

I'm thinking of that dropout pokemon trainer idea from tumblr. Disco elysium just brought it to mind

[cerulean dune]

I'm really surprised Ice doesn't resist Water considering the temperatures ice pokemon work at.

[graceful quartz]

Chapter 8 of my story, Shaded Silk, is now available.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/shaded-silk-pokemon-oc-isekai.1184962/post-105008413

[mellow robin]

hell yeah

[manic kindle]

Another pokemon romhack down!

DarkViolet defeated

[pliant violet]

da champ

[arctic dagger]

How was it?

[south laurel]

Glaceon, eh?

[manic kindle]

I liked it; its got neat albeit edgy story changes to Firered but i especially love the gym re-order. The difficulty was up but not to the degree of a challenge hack

[manic kindle]

One of the rivals had a Leafeon so i felt inspired

[soft isle]

Something is wrong with this picture, but I’m not sure what…

[foggy mango]

That Zoroark is a tad bit small…

[snow cobalt]

i think it's a shiny

[arctic dagger]

I mean

It COULD be a Zoroark

[near flower]

yeah, seems more like a zorua
but even so something's off still

[red rampart]

Is this what non mischievous zorua look like?

[spring hedge]

looks like a zoroark to me

[graceful quartz]

Chapter 9 of my story, Shaded Silk, is now available.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/shaded-silk-pokemon-oc-isekai.1184962/post-105067555

[manic kindle]

https://vxtwitter.com/torori_toro/status/1837392534206927019?t=WY7wU7ovwHgomYXiy1_bxg&s=19

[karmic imp]

Clair just calmly living in the madness

[red rampart]

https://x.com/MR14_c/status/1837563738440061091

자속 (@MR14_c) on X

포오케

Twitter · Sep 21, 2024, 6:45 PM

[soft isle]

https://www.tumblr.com/cyndaquilism/762255139936649216

[red rampart]

@obtuse ravine

[obtuse ravine]

[graceful quartz]

I posted Chapter 9 of my fic early today on Spacebattles, and I've finally bit the bullet and posted the story to Ao3 as well, for those interested. Enjoy. https://archiveofourown.org/works/59124394/chapters/150750784

[spring hedge]

just read up to latest chapter, this is great stuff

[azure crane]

[graceful quartz]

Thank you! I'm glad you're enjoying it!

Chapter 10 of my story, Shaded Silk, is now available.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/shaded-silk-pokemon-oc-isekai.1184962/post-105097009
https://archiveofourown.org/works/59124394/chapters/150779767

[round perch]

https://x.com/jsketch12/status/1711537258304831647

Juno 🚂 (@jsketch12) on X

🔮Regiastro, the Orbuculum Pokémon

This Psychic-type Regi is based on an observatory and a crystal ball; its name both refers to astronomy and astrology. It represents the Space Age, the period of history beginning with the Space Race and continuing on to the present day.

Twitter · Oct 10, 2023, 12:20 AM

[manic kindle]

a round friend

[round perch]

https://x.com/jsketch12/status/1714026357066469379

Juno 🚂 (@jsketch12) on X

🦈Gible, the Land Shark Pokémon
🦈Gabite, the Crater Pokémon
🦈Garchomp, the Mach Pokémon

The Joseonese Gible line is based on thresher sharks, which can be found in Korea's seas. Their appearance and personality draws inspiration from Pinkfong Baby Shark, Yoshi, and Sidon.

Twitter · Oct 16, 2023, 9:11 PM

https://x.com/jsketch12/status/1733442966193426517

Juno 🚂 (@jsketch12) on X

👹Yeongyang, the Mask Dance Pokémon

One of the legendary groups in the Joseon region is based on characters from talchum, or traditional Korean mask dance. Yeongyang is based on the yeongno, which is described as a monster that ate corrupt yangban (members of the ruling class).

Twitter · Dec 9, 2023, 11:06 AM

[karmic imp]

Clair is so great here

[wispy yarrow]

Yo Korean inspired pokemon, hell yeah

[karmic imp]

Need me a South American region

There's a fangame at least

[soft isle]

But we would walk 500 miles
and we would walk 500 more

(we recently added a pokewalker to our collection and we are very excited about it)

[snow cobalt]

oooooooh

[arctic dagger]

WOW Heatproof is like, one of the most useless abilities here ever lmao

1/4 to 1/8 damage

Already can't be burned

XD

[arctic dagger]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonROMhacks/s/fICIwYKh4y

Found a big list

I like lists

[manic kindle]

lets see if theres any here i can weigh in on

Pokemon Elite Redux - really funky and good, really challenging on the challenge modes because theres a lot of stuff to take in and the opponents will use your hardcore strats against you. The swappable ability idea is the real juice this is a good game if you like testing a lot of team builds and synergies and having a x4 choice banded darmanitan

Pokemon Brown (and Prism) - just a really solid old-fashioned romhack, one of the first, now with a fresh coat of paint. If you just want a vanilla fresh Pokemon experience, here it is. Shoutout especially to Prism for giving you a Larvitar starter and balancing the game really well around that.

Crystal Clear - really cool way to handle kanto/johto; really good for random challenge modes / type runs or RP style stuff. The new added stuff is neat and the way the map has been altered/expanded is inspired - you can walk the magnet rail tracks!

Emerald Rogue - my roguelite of choice for Pokemon, really solid progression system and it has a true PostGame now; really like that you can pick any favorite mon and make it work with dedication

Team Rocket Edition - I was shocked at how nice this was? Very well thought out "edgy/dark" way to play Team Rocket, with some comedy at how red/blue/oak/etc are handled. Does a lot really well and has a sort of morality system.

Gaia - one of my alltime favorites; this is my go-to for Original Pokemon Stories because it nails the flavor of a pokemon game so well, and any story that features the Regis is good.

Polished Crystal - if you just want to play Pokemon Crystal without all the issues of Gen2 design, this is it, this is the holy grail of fixed romhacks.

Snakewood - not really good imo; its a little too weird and edgy for its own good and has some truly bizarre balance for any challenge run

Too Many Types - really good for a funny run / social run / streaming or if you just wanna be confused (in a funny positive way)

Unbound - A lot of people really love this; it has almost too much QoL+++ for me that it can be a bit overwhelming, but the writing is solid and the progression feels good.

[arctic dagger]

See I almost thought unbound didn't have quite enough qol

Lmao

Took so long for me to be able to start shifting abilities and natures and stuff

I dislike having to catch like different of a Pokemon to get one with an actually I want that doesn't have garbage nature or ivs

Fifteen of a*

An ability*

[manic kindle]

yeah nature/ivs/etc just dont mean anything to me so take that with a grain of salt in my reviews

[arctic dagger]

Yeah I'm kind of a conpletionist too

I like catching them all

And trying to use different teams for every boss or gym

So that means I want to have like at least good versions of every Pokemon because trying to use an Azumarill without huge power is mostly just not gonna work

[south laurel]

Yeah I always want good IVs in this type of thing

It makes me happy

[manic kindle]

cant recall the specific one but there was an Emerald challenge hack that let you just pick and choose IVs, natures, evs at any point / reset them at any point, which was fun

brutal run tho holy crap

getting walled by May multiple times was tilting

[arctic dagger]

Yeah I like that kind of thing

It's just something that most people don't care about but anyone I know who does wants it to be easy

[manic kindle]

oh it was fun for sure but i had to take breaks cuz my partner would come in and be like "babe its been 3 hours are you still fighting may"

[graceful quartz]

An Interlude of my story, Shaded Silk, is now available.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/shaded-silk-pokemon-oc-isekai.1184962/post-105157381
https://archiveofourown.org/works/59124394/chapters/150915547

[pliant violet]

You’re putting these out at pace

[graceful quartz]

It'll probably slow down eventually, but right now I'm writing them at pace too, so.

[pliant violet]

Hell yeah

[karmic imp]

Huh, harlequins were clown trainers who tended to use bug types

[manic kindle]

https://x.com/temariame14/status/1838502348865585473

てまりまろ (@temariame14) on X

コスモスとポケちゃんたち🌼*･

Twitter · Sep 24, 2024, 8:54 AM

[graceful quartz]

Chapter 11 of my story, Shaded Silk, is now available.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/shaded-silk-pokemon-oc-isekai.1184962/post-105215312
https://archiveofourown.org/works/59124394/chapters/151037155

[karmic imp]

What's the point of genesect's techno blast?

[snow cobalt]

Cool signature move

[foggy mango]

Y'know... I was going to say it can't learn moves of those types (Fire, Water, Ice, Electric), but I think it actually can

Techno Blast is, however, a 120 BP/100 Acc move.

It's something to keep in mind, but probably not enough to push me to use Techno Blast in competitive play over, say, Thunderbolt/Flamethrower/Ice Beam

[karmic imp]

At first I thought it could at least inflict additional effects, or the drives could change genesect's type

Huh, dang. Avalugg has beeg defense

[arctic dagger]

Not being worth an item to change the type

[azure crane]

Yep. They try making slow defensive ice types which are doomed by Ice only resisting itself and having four weaknesses, including rock.

[karmic imp]

And avalugg has low special defense anyway, it's gonna mega die

[soft isle]

we'd really like to see ice type get a buff in the next generation of games tbh. Ice as a type feels way too pigeonholed into hyper-offense

[arctic dagger]

Imo it should at the least resist water

Would help the very common ice rock

I'd also throw in resisting fairy just because fuck fairy

Needs to be taken down a peg

[eager vine]

ice should be super effective against steel

[soft isle]

genuinely we keep forgetting that ice doesn't resist water

Tohu (Any) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1160615504562638910 message) Imo it should at the least resist water

[karmic imp]

Avalugg is so cool looking

Too bad it's weak

[soft isle]

we made a mono ice team for an OC, and we included Hisuian Avalugg, but it's such a bad addition to the team

at least it can use Stealth Rock? We guess?

[karmic imp]

I don't get how avalugg got through to release without some ability or move to compensate

[soft isle]

we even thought about doing a weird mono-ice trick room team in a vain attempt to make Avalugg work, but the only ice type mon that learns Trick Room is Jynx

[karmic imp]

Anyway, been thinking of that oomukade pokemon idea. Yes, I know the fire centipede from swsh, but I want one with a type against dragons
Bug/dragon or bug/ice works, it'd feet for being an offense focused pokemon. Both paths also have good aesthetics

[soft isle]

a friend of ours has a bug/dragon pseudolegendary fakemon that is really cool

[karmic imp]

How is it?

[soft isle]

watermark in the upper right is the artist's tumblr

[azure crane]

Avalugg-Hisui has even lower Special Defense than regular, when the regular only had 48?

[arctic dagger]

Normal Avalugg pretty ddecent

But Hisuian one is just worse

Ice/Rock just a really bad type combo

Since they're both not effective vs Steel, and both weak vs steel and fighting

[languid lichen]

tbh hisuian avalugg is just flatly better than regular in-game

because it hits harder and has more STAB

[arctic dagger]

Absolutely

[red rampart]

https://x.com/WolfeyGlick/status/1839677814552801749

Wolfey (@WolfeyGlick) on X

There is a website called Limitless that keeps track of who the most successful players are of each individual Pokemon - IE who has done the best over the years with Dragonite or Charizard.

This is the list of players who have done the best with Incineroar, over all time...

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 2:45 PM

[manic kindle]

im so glad wolfe glick has thus far proven to be well-adjusted and funny and inviting to the competitive scene

its nice to have a great player be so chill

[soft isle]

https://www.tumblr.com/t00thpasteface/729452455650295808/patron-request-for-rayquaza-with-the-steel-chair
https://www.tumblr.com/t00thpasteface/757822618523090944/patron-request-for-giratina-with-the-steel-chair

[languid lichen]

incredible

[graceful quartz]

Chapter 12 of my story, Shaded Silk, is now available.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/shaded-silk-pokemon-oc-isekai.1184962/post-105268412
https://archiveofourown.org/works/59124394/chapters/151167880

[obtuse ravine]

[red rampart]

https://fixvx.com/TheYisusOne/status/1840028947712549058

[snow cobalt]

it's got the

[azure crane]

https://vxtwitter.com/YuKaaaaaaa0705/status/1754057334362624297/photo/2

[soft isle]

our wife's trying out Legends Arceus 😌

[karmic imp]

How's it going?

[soft isle]

She's liking it so far! We really enjoy LA so we're glad she's having fun with it too

[obtuse ravine]

what starter did she pick :3

[copper cloak]

Ok so I will admit

I defeated an academy champion and...

I was not a good sport about it.

[pliant violet]

That’s not very nice

I approve

[copper cloak]

He shoulda been the protag

Like, if he wanted to avoid this

[karmic imp]

Ugh, I need to unlock more boutiques on pokemon Y. I'm lacking in outfits

[karmic imp]

Could been worse
Nintendo once released a fighting game where you could draw on the loser's face

[south laurel]

Hm. SuMo UU: Umbreon, Bronzong, Mega Altaria, Moltres, Starmie, Nihilego. Could this be anything?

[manic kindle]

whats your answer to Krookodile and M-Aerodactyl?

[south laurel]

No idea

Can M-Altaria not deal with Krook?

[manic kindle]

it should be able to provided krook hasnt gotten a boost in yet iirc

[south laurel]

Gotcha

I think Moltres can also switch in on it and maybe abuse it somewhat?

[manic kindle]

stone edge is basically 20% accurate

love to use stone edge. i love missing guaranteed ko

love watching moltres burn me after i whiff

[south laurel]

And unless the switch is predicted can either U-Turn for super-effective out or hit with z-hurricane

M-Aerodactyl ... hm.

Does it run anything that hits Bronzong neutrally?

[manic kindle]

i enjoyed sumo uu a lot, i was an M-Houndoom team believer

is your bronzong levitate or heatproof

[south laurel]

Levitate, I think

Oh but I guess it usually runs Pursuit

Blurgh

Although I guess Gyro Ball also hits pretty hard in return

[manic kindle]

bronzong with levitate is fine

heatproof would be in danger but (good) M-Aero wont have a real answer beyond like, Pursuit

[soft isle]

https://www.tumblr.com/sunsnak/762982062713159680/spheal?source=share

[foggy mango]

Spheal but A N G E R Y

[azure crane]

https://x.com/auroriiasart/status/1840487039126622409

Auroriia (@auroriiasart) on X

Curious Umbreon,
#ブラッキー #ポケモンイラスト #Pokemon

Twitter · Sep 29, 2024, 8:21 PM

[red rampart]

@glacial ore

[soft isle]

Zemyla (any pronouns) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1160615504562638910 message) https://x.com/auroriiasart/status/1840487039126622409 📎

[south laurel]

Hey folks, you know how Ultra Beasts prior to USUM all looked like imitations of the human form built out of random stuff by something that didn't really get what they were copying?

Proposal: Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are, as their names suggest, imitations of SuMo built out of random stuff by something that didn't really get what it was copying

[languid lichen]

and also celesteela

[south laurel]

Celesteela is a woman in a kimono made out of bamboo shoots that are also a rocket (yes I know she's princess Kaguya), I feel like that still fits the pattern

https://tenor.com/k9ERUC7gkiC.gif

[languid lichen]

I know there's a real face there but I've never been able to look at it and see anything other than a triangle with arms

[graceful quartz]

Chapter 13 of my story, Shaded Silk, is now available.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/shaded-silk-pokemon-oc-isekai.1184962/post-105320654
https://archiveofourown.org/works/59124394/chapters/151311220

[fickle thicket]

I always wondered why started pokemon skew male instead of towards the player character, if they should have any skew at all

[snow cobalt]

Shonen bias and/or making breeding harder

[languid lichen]

making breeding harder, yeah

[manic kindle]

yeah that older rpg restrictive design

[fickle thicket]

that's honestly kind of lame and outdated

[pliant violet]

Like me

[fickle thicket]

like reggie

the starters are already a species you'd be hard-pressed to find a second one of in your own game - a hurdle that has been completely obliterated in today's day and age

not to mention ditto exists

and there you go, infinite starters at your fingertips anyway

[manic kindle]

It was just a part of the friction of older game design and worldbuilding

[fickle thicket]

yeah sure but it's not the 2000s anymore

[languid lichen]

that was the point, yeah

you needed ditto

[pliant violet]

It sort of is money

[languid lichen]

to make it "easy"

[fickle thicket]

I'm sure pikachu won't get upset if they move with the time a bit

[pliant violet]

2024 is still a 20

[fickle thicket]

at this point there's just a gate sitting the yard that's still there because it used to be part of a fence that hasn't been there for over a decade

regarding "shonen bias", wouldn't that kind of storytelling work better if your partner pokemon matched your player character?

[snow cobalt]

I mean in terms of target audience, not storytelling techniques

[foggy mango]

Specifically it was so that you can't try to get egg moves from your original starter and then abandon said starter. Nowadays it's, as everyone is saying, a relic from a bygone era

[snow cobalt]

"relic" seems overblown

[manic kindle]

Yeah, it was a function more in line with the time, same as single-use TMs and limited Ethers and such like that

Purposeful restrictions

Things have changed - HMs aren't a teambuilding concern anymore, multiuse TMs change how they're viewed for in-game playthroughs, etc

general access to breeding accesibility is a big one

[foggy mango]

Maybe relic is a bit too strong. I do think that there isn't really a strong justification for it being in modern games outside of "It would be too much of a pain in the ass to change it now." (Not derogatory)

[arctic dagger]

I mean

I think "We've always done it this way and it's not like it matters" is fine

[pliant violet]

I’ll be real I don’t look at the names of my Pokémon aside from nicknaming them

[fickle thicket]

Funny typing mistake SPOTTED

Also, "I don't care" is kind of a weak argument. They'd be changing if for people who do care.

[pliant violet]

I’m not saying they shouldn’t change it

[azure crane]

https://x.com/Touyarokii/status/1840504988734545984

Touya! ★ POKEMON LEGENDS Z-A HYPE (@Touyarokii) on X

We as a society should never forget that our mom in the Gen 3 Pokemon games put us in the back of a moving truck as if it was a normal thing to do

Twitter · Sep 29, 2024, 9:32 PM

Speking of older gens.

[umbral hound]

for the longest time I thought that sprite just had white hair + a headband (it's a hat).

[arctic dagger]

I mean

I'm pretty sure that is a normal thing to do

[karmic imp]

Making Delphox and Primarina trans

[soft isle]

friends! Look what we reacquired!!! (We’d loaned them to our bestie many many years ago and he still had them)

So friggen happy

[trail bridge]

YIPPEE

[wispy yarrow]

Oh hell yeah

[snow cobalt]

yoooooo

[near flower]

thats a 200+ dollar save right there!

[obtuse ravine]

yayy

i’m still 95% sure that some kid at summer camp snatched my soulsilver cartridge

😔

[karmic imp]

Nice worldbuilding

[graceful quartz]

Thank you! I'm glad you liked it.

[soft isle]

I know right? Like, we do have flashcarts, but using the real cartridges always feels better to us

Hero 'read hell screen' King ↩️

[Reply to:](#1160615504562638910 message) thats a 200+ dollar save right there!

[foggy mango]

https://youtu.be/sHGcGkaYd38?feature=shared
I forgot this was a thing

[fickle thicket]

that's arawi isn't it

[foggy mango]

Yes

[fickle thicket]

can't believe he committed Ultra Copyright Infringement 😔

[foggy mango]

Big Pika said “Pika Pika Pi-Pika” (Your ass is grass)

[azure crane]

https://x.com/OliverHamlin/status/1840088921985757273

H. Oliver Hamlin (@OliverHamlin) on X

Witchy Mimikyu

Twitter · Sep 28, 2024, 5:59 PM

[foggy mango]

https://youtube.com/shorts/GVrt8M1N_LU?si=VYUqnNEBuDunV6JT

[graceful quartz]

Chapter 14 of my story, Shaded Silk, is now available.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/shaded-silk-pokemon-oc-isekai.1184962/post-105378020
https://archiveofourown.org/works/59124394/chapters/151311193

[iron lake]

HOLY SHIT KIRBY SQUEAK SQUAD 👁️
PEAK SQUAD

[umbral hound]

currently thinking about Mimikyu. Not for any particular reason, just... mimikyu ❤️

[near flower]

good pokemon to think about

[languid lichen]

i have a mimikyu plushie next to my bed

it's a good boy

[near flower]

one of the first pokemon i managed to masuda a shiny for

[eager vine]

SAME...

[languid lichen]

my count at present is shinx + gible + totodile on desk

and sprigatito + hisuian zorua + mimikyu on nightstand

and also this shinx on my desk too

[snow cobalt]

ideal

[languid lichen]

i rolled the gacha on that terrarium collection's mystery box

while i was in tokyo

and, gacha gamer that i am, hit exactly what i wanted

(the boi)

[near flower]

little bud :)
also based totodile

[soft isle]

got some sticker shock over how much it’s gonna cost to finish our DS collection

[near flower]

yeah
combination of 'over a decade out of print' and 'insanely popular' is killer for prices

[soft isle]

Sometime we should get an English copy of Diamond lol. The copy we have is in Japanese because we were really really impatient kids

[near flower]

woah thats really cool actually!

[azure crane]

https://fxtwitter.com/DTierTL/status/1841583561356271905

[arctic dagger]

To be fair that's often just Charm or something else that's not damaging

Baby doll eyes

I mean it's still 4x weak to fairy

[karmic imp]

Hm? I think sylveon can do damaging fairy moves

If you mean the evolution requirements

Sylveon originally evolved from love

[languid lichen]

sylveon's ability even makes sure its normal stab because fairy stab