#POKÉMON CENTER
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like
going out
having a notebook
filling the pokédex manually
by hand
talking about towns and mon and moves
does anyone other than me have strong feelings about Clawitzer
I think it’s got a pretty cool design
i like the look and i also like mega launcher as an ability
makes it a coverage monster
i included it in my rom hack
optimal water type crustacean pokémon
love the lob
it's more prawn/shrimp
i like both a LOT
but i respect the respect
yeah!!!!!
we used to have a team in Showdown with a Clawitzer named Rheinmetall
ye
im found of it and especially clauncher because i used him as a gun for a detective character in a pokemon ttrpg
good answer
a clauncher up one arm, a joltik as a taser on his other
very good
acab
except looker
100%, the party had a good time beating him up
D:
long story short he was trying to catch them to hold them for reasonable suspicians BUT it was time to go save a legendary so they had to beat up the detective lmao
DONBROS MENTION!!!
THIS GAME IS WILD
Miror B rules
I love how everyone is in the epilogue. Not even from the events of the plot! Just... in general.
pecharunt good??? suuuus
hahahaha
was this already posted here? I don't think so? Anyway I ran into it and wanted to share it.
2 out of 3 isn't bad.
my favourite
↘️ Quoting freakwindow (@buckwindow)
Who got that one Pokémon clip
owned
I feel like ||Ogrepon would disagree on it being evil.||
The ominous music sends me every time man.
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Why is he just there
i love this version of ash so much what was his problem
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Damn
Oh ||Pecharunt definitely did some bad things. But it was to make other humans like it, after it (seemingly accidentally) made them greedier. Not just its own greed or selfishness or general dickery.||
they put jirachi in the blunt and smoked him
babby
crispy
which hitmon is coolest
Top
reason
interesting ok
trick question they're all lame
sorry we're hitmonhaters
Hitmontop is also my favorite if i had to choose, though I like all three.
it's ok
you're cursed to have doors shut just before you get to them
reason?
what about uhhhh Yanma, or Alomomola or Greedent
yes what about them
I'm gonna go with top too
Yanma rules
Yanma is great
Yanmegas pretty cool
Scout you cannot win because i love pocket monsters
I just don't see it
its not a bad design, I guess
The Tasmanian Devil was favorite Loony Toons around the time HItmontop debut in the anime. Hit the same buttons.
I just 😐 when I see it
I wanna know where they got the idea for it
Is it a visual pun on "balance"
yeah and inspired by capoeristas
Oh yeah that does make sense
hitmonchan
iron fist fucks
best special sweeper in gen 1-3
really normal stat spread
Hitmontop cuz i use him in vgc doubles
Intimidate + Fake Out + Close Combat is fun
hitmontop has always been okay for doubles
i wanna get into doubles but idk the new game
Tera can be a lot to wrap your head around, esp defensively, but channels like Moxie Boosted help explain good content for vgc, so does champ Wolfey
I like the current season a lot, I think Ogrepon is very neat, and I get to use Entei to demolish nerds
i wish i had more pokémon friends than my gf
87 uniqueness on today’s Pokedoku, feeling proud of myself
crow bat
Old Yeller ;_;
i'll be your pokemon friend harry
That's what we're here for!
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fully expect a ghost type named for him OR a “new yeller” in a future nuzlocccke
mm
fuck u lookin at keep scrolling
folks toxtricity is very cool
Yes
he’s lying
do you have a preference for which one or are they both Very Cool
I got really attached to my low key form from story mode
punk rock boomburst is very funny
overdrive isn't far behind
i used punkrock boomburst and dragapult using dragon darts for the tower
snarl getting an overdrive boost is also very handy
overdrive boost?
you mean punk rock?
overdrive is the signature move for toxtricity
o yeah i read overdrive in your message and my brain just swapped em
Yeah, I want to make my Toxtricity Tera Normal.
oh brutal damage
just like the old Explosion days
yknow what i like about nuzlockes?
like the team-building specifically
it is very much a ship of theseus situation
i always end up seeing one or another pokémon as the team captain in some capacity: old yeller, henlo; others as sort of mascots: capitalism/communism, so on
the emergent storytelling
mwah chefs kiss
Yeah, ye olde nuzlocke comics got me into it, even did a few of my own
i need to comic-ify nuzlocccke
codify it in legend
FR - CRYSTAL - ORANGE - EMERALD - PLATINUM - SOME OTHER SIXTH THING
emerald is going well! training in petalburg woods :)
My brain just played the little jingle that plays when you first enter Petalburg Woods. (Ruby was basically my first game ever and I have a lot of random things from it embedded in my brain.)
Also, competitive players have been asking for a way to lower IVs for years, especially with Trick Room being more prevalent and one-time-only mons being given guarenteed perfect IVs. And I think I have a good idea: a spa.
You can send up to 6 pokemon to a spa, and it'll raise their happiness. (Some pokemon relax in hot sand rather than in water.) You can also provide various items as spa additives. And one of the items you can provide are mints, which raise the IVs corresponding to the stat that nature boosts and reduces the IVs corresponding to the stat that nature reduces (probably with a greater effect for mints that match the pokemon's nature). That way, it isn't too free, but you have a way to increase and reduce IVs along with peripheral benefits (possibly have some additive options which can increase EVs? "Fresh Start Mochi" lets you reset EVs completely, but maybe something more targeted could be available here as well. Something like berries tweaking EVs depending on their flavor?)
Heck, this'd let you use and differentiate the stat-neutral natures. For instance, if a pokemon's nature would both increase and decrease Attack, they're Hardy, so using a Hardy Mint as an additive would have a positive effect for any pokemon with an Attack-boosting nature and a negative effect for any pokemon with an Attack-lowering nature. Serious is for if the pokemon's nature would both increase and reduce Speed, so it'd increase stats for pokemon with a Speed-boosting nature and reduce stats for pokemon with a Speed-reducing nature.
Maybe using Berries as additives just increase EVs based on the flavor (and presumably you'd have to turn those berries into additives in some way and not just provide them outright), and there's a special item you can acquire in some way specifically for resetting EVs?
Or you could even do something with Herba Mysticas (Herbas Mysticas? Herbas Mystica?) where their flavor affects the stats instead.
rusty bottlecap
minimises an IV
done
there are two types of people in this world
Yeah, rusty bottlecap is also good, but I don't expect pokemon to be too nice, and "minimizes a stat with no increase" could confuse a new player and they might not want that.
Im feeling pretty good about the nicknames this run
https://youtu.be/8dwocAz1A7M?si=v9vuhx04NbtT44Gg interesting vid
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Urshifu is one of the strongest Pokemon - but is it too strong? Is it ruining the game?
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one issue i have is just general to his content
he calls doubles competitive pokemon
ignoring competitive formats of singles
sure but like there are formats of singles with prizes
Im with you
also i just don't really like vgc?
i feel like it's format has too few restrictions in a way that doesn't breed creativity
i like vgc*
- depending on the year, the format, the people playing, the dominant meta, the allowed pokémon, whether it’s regional dex or national, whether or not it’s not overly centralised
at least singles adapts very well to off meta picks when they provide a useful niche
yeah that's fair it's a bit harsh for me to say i don't like it outright
vgc just by allowing a lot of pokemon to be legal all at once becomes a lot more centralising
but there are lots of things i wish i could do in a gen 3 doubles context
agree
while smogon style tiers singles breeds creativity ime
so many years the team that wins won against a team that matched 50% or more of that team
the team that won ADV revival finals played a pretty unique team
basically every team at vgc championship last year ran one of the kung fu bears
outside of skarm and ttar, arguably the two most centralising mon in the format, these two teams are unique to one another
exactly
by basically i mean all bar one of the top 8 in three different age brackets
reggie u wanna play some gen3 w me
god no
not unique different
the fact they're both running skarm and ttar is something
i wish doubles was more popular on smogon
cause it is interesting and complex
i just don't like the regulations on legality for vgc
agree
t-tar is THE BEST MON in gen 3
not just gen 3
most versatile, strongest, really easy to use for beginners but also incredibly diverse set viability for more experienced players
if sand is ever good you know ttar is there being a menace
max spatk dark STAB t-tar with pursuit, fire blast, ice beam, and toxic is a thing
shits wild
that's partially enabled by the lack of split
i think the split does railroad some pokemon more
but it lets more be viable
which i consider worthwhile
and it makes pokemon with mixed stats super interesting
it's interesting how different things are valued singles vs doubles like
protect is garbage in singles
and spikes kinda suck in doubles
well they don't suck but putting spikes up isn't worth the turn
protect is actually really good in gens 2-5
and then drops off pretty dramatically
isn't Protect a huge part of Gen 2's stall meta?
the problem with protect in my understanding is you're giving up a turn to do nothing
and if your opponent can set up at all that's an issue
in singles
ehhh depends
but it’s risky
it’s a safe play on stall
or sand teams with reliable chip heal
gliscor, skarm, jirachi, etc
As I understand it, Protect is very nichely useful in singles and very commonly useful in doubles due to the possibility to protect a mon that both your opponents attacked.
Its very good in doubles
VGC is fast paced, even wasting one attack blows
This is part of why Urshifu is cracked
He breaks that part of the formula
Singles tend to focus on hazards and setup, doubles has a bigger focus on speed control and target priority
What's Urshifu do?
A few key things in combination that ill paste here for maximum drama
His ability:
If the Pokémon uses moves that make direct contact, it can attack the target even if the target protects itself.
Oh god
Surging Strikes is a water type move with 25 bp that hits 3 times and always crits
And water stab in a Rain format is very good
And speed 97 under Tailwind beats most everything relevant
Add onto that its other great moves like good fighting stab and youve got a beast!
So it breaks through protect and sturdy and focus sash and can outspeed almost everything with tailwind
Yup!
Now it is fragile, and there are equally rough threats that give it a run for its money but
A very good intro to vgc strategy is just Urshifu+Tornadus
How is turn order calculated in doubles? if you have a way to bost a buddy's speed, can you use that to make them go earlier this round or just next round?
oh
Urshifu-Rapid Strikes is part of why I think Gastrodon is very well positioned into this meta. It's not only immune to Water moves; it redirects Water moves into itself, and gets a Special Attack boost when it would be hit by one. And you can calc it to survive Urshifu's Fighting-type moves. It's also immune to electric and resistant to fire, which are relevant with Raging Bolt and Entei both being pretty meaningfully relevant.
Yeah, Gastrodon enjoys a nice vgc career
I don't know if people are using it right now? But I strongly believe that they should be.
It has a poor matchup into Ogrepon mostly
I could see it getting good use on a Farigiraf team
I also think... okay, I saw Moxie Boosted's video about winning with your favorite pokemon by figuring out what their specific niche is (rather than making them a worse version of something else), and that led me to consciously realize that Sableye is immune to both Fake Out and Prankster Taunt without needing an item.
Armor Tail trick room does really well nowadays
Gastrodon needs to Tera Fire to handle Ogerpon, yeah. And it's not touching the water one offensively.
Sableye has some neat stuff it can do in general, actually. It has a weirdly good attacking movepool for a mon with terrible offensive stats, but it also has Prankster and access to:
- Disable
- Fake Out
- Quash
- Sunny Day/Rain Dance
- Reflect/Light Screen
- Will-O-Wisp
- Thunder Wave
- Encore
- Taunt
- Imprison
- Skill Swap (if you're doing something dumb)
- Helping Hand
- Gravity (again, good if you're doing dumb stuff specifically)
- Confuse Ray
- Feint
- Torment
These are not all equally useful. It's also slower than Tornadus/Thunderus, which means it can't taunt them out of a move, but also that if it uses a weather move it'll take place after theirs. And it'll be able to encore one of them if you read them leading with weather or tailwind immediately.
Prankster WoW is solid into urshifus and ole big hands, and t-wave is nice if your offensive core needs to edge out certain speeds
...unless I'm missing something, it is the only mon with Prankster Will-O-Wisp. Prankster Quash is also neat for when you really need to go first to win a trade. And if you give Sableye a Focus Sash, the only things that will stop it from getting off a status move are Armor Tail(/Queenly Majesty/Dazzling/Psychic Terrain for the enemy-targeted moves), Water Shuriken, or being doubled by two different priority moves.
Torment is better than Disable in the exact situation of being able to use it on your opponent's choiced mon before they use their attacking move, for if you're worried about getting doubled on that first turn. Otherwise, Disable makes them waste their next move, and then stay in. If you're feeling really funny you could run Encore and Disable to absolutely undeniably force a mon out (or, if it can't switch, force it to Struggle).
The ultimate gimmick set for Sableye would be Encore/Disable/Mean Look (which I should have mentioned above, because Perish Trap shenanigans are also a thing occasionally and that isn't the right solution but it is a solution). ...I kind of want to try that now, because Encore and Disable are already real moves. You can't touch Incineroar though because of how Prankster works, though.
...seriously, though, Sableye has every attacking move it could ever want, 75 Atk, 65 SpA, and 50 Speed.
Also Bulk Up, Calm Mind, and Nasty Plot, because why not?
Sableye was made for earlier generations, really
Back when it had the distinction of having no weaknesses
I guess, but even then it was kind of made of tissue paper (50 HP, 75 Def, 65 SpD) and it had exactly one generation where it wasn't locked into having Stall as its ability and still had no weakness.
Yeah, within RSE sableye is fine
But it has access to (on the physical side) STAB Shadow Sneak, Knock Off, Sucker Punch, Foul Play (actually not bad if you want 1 attacking move on a prankster set), Poltergeist, Throat Chop, and Lash Out, plus Low Kick, Brick Break, Zen Headbutt, Fire/Thunder/Ice Punch, Drain Punch, Poison Jab, and X-Scissor for coverage.
On the special side, STAB Shadow Ball, Dark Pulse, Snarl, and Hex, plus Power Gem, Energy Ball, Dazzling Gleam, and Psychic for coverage. And it also has utility attack moves in the form of Icy Wind, Low Sweep, Rock Tomb, Feint, and if you're feeling silly Skitter Smack.
And Gyro Ball with no speed, which I can't believe I forgot to mention.
It also has Prankster Recover
Oh, I missed that. ...I also missed Prankster Rest + Sleep Talk.
It has a stacked movepool. I wish it had Trick Room, partially so that it could Prankster Imprison it. Klefki can do that, though.
Imprison also turns off Imprison, which is good against some Farigiraf sets. Grimmsnarl can turn off Parting Shot, which seems maybe useful?
I have tried to do something with Sableye before, but I might try making a team and then Actually Playing It.
afaik this was a change this gen btw
which is why the pranksters with tailwind shot up
before speed was checked start of round, now its start of turn
funky
The big issue isn’t just that it’s strong there’s other strong stuff the issue is it breaks a fundamental rule
And part of the way it was checked last gen was dynamax that could block it
There’s no arguing that it’s stronger than Zacian is strong in conventional ways
Urshifu is weaker conventionally but turning off protect is just…. Not done
Not without big cost
On my recent dive into current meta it’s not a bad meta, it would just be improved if urshifu was worse
if urshifu had sheer force or intimidate or guts it would be a significantly less centralising threat
still relevant, but less relevant
or even if it did reduced damage through protect style moves
half or quarter
still a very strong ability
just dumb ain’t it
also harry did you intentionally name 3 of the best abilities for general purposes
it wasn't in an environment with dynamax since max protect or whatever it was called did block it
yes, also sheer force isn’t THAT great. i’d rather take a band/setup set and an ability like water absorb, sturdy, trace, etc
BUT yes
did you know there's intimidate for other stats now
Sp Def Attack Def Sp Atttack
they're all good except the attack one
my fave is the Sp Def dropper
it's a fire goldfish
wait what intimidate is bad?
Chi Yu
that’s the one
i love that dude
and fire dark is a good typing
i wish i had a pokémon card for it
mmm they’re okay
more that it's on a slow, defensive grass/dark without a ton of utility tools beyond leech seed
so its ability can't shine
tons of weaknesses, STABS don't hit a ton super well, etc.
and it's not really intimidate, it's significantly stronger than the already incredible ability
i see
yeah, the X of Ruin abilities are all really good, but some of them are held back by the mons they're on
ehhh
not some
just wochien
tinglu is a massive presence in OU because of its comical bulk, solid attack + incredible paired offensive typing, and access to multiple hazards + good phys stab moves
and then chienpao and chiyu are busted as fuck
because they're just unstoppable wallbreakers that were too much for OU at all in singles
chiyu hits like the fist of god, and chienpao is a more modest 18-wheeler to the skull combined with an excellent speed tier
meanwhile, wochien sits there, sad and disconsolate, because there are two other grass-dark mons from the same gen
that both do what they want much better (hard-hitting physical attackers with priority and priority + speed + protean respectively)
and brute bonnet also has spore
so it has actual real utility usage
Saw someone else talking about Gastrodon being meta relevant! although because they were demonstrating on Showdown, they ended up using the inferior pink Gastrodon. They (correctly) pointed out that it has Yawn, and then ended up running Stealth Rocks of all things because it works well with Yawn. And then it uses those in concert to let other team members set up, and it underspeeds Farigiraf and Ursaluna-Bloodmoon.
Part of the issue with yawn is Gimmeghoul is good
But I very much am coming around on gastrodon
Gimmeghoul's eating a STAB Earth Power, or whatever your partner's doing.
Gastrodon has a really good typing and a really good ability and a really good movepool and adequate stats, and it matches up into most of the best mons really well. Rillaboom and Ogerpon are kind of issues since they force you to go tera fire, and if you're not running a water move you can't really touch landorus, but I feel like none of that is insurmountable? A mon doesn't need a great matchup into everything to be good.
You do have 6 mons and only bring four for a reason
Yeah, if you see Ogerpon Rillaboom staring you down, you maybe don't bring Gastrodon unless you're comfortable using a defensive tera on it (which you very well might be). Raging Bolt, or Gouging Flame, or Urshifu-Rapid Strikes, or Entei? None of those are touching you with much of anything.
And it’s not like many things are running Tera grass
I mean, that was a thing occasionally to handle spore, but even then... if they're grass-type, but don't have any grass-type attacking moves, you kind of don't mind that much? You're not touching them with much, but you're sitting there and annoying them.
Amoongus is around but it’s not attacking yeah
The relevant things you have to worry about are Ogerpon, Rillaboom, and... Sinistcha, if it shows up? Raw power from Flutter Mane or Gimmieghoul or Ursaluna in either form?
You can calc to wall a lot of that, though.
Urshifu-Single strikes is pretty spooky
Less so than rapid strikes but if everyone is building against that there’s a gap there to exploit
Yeah, I think that belongs in the "generically powerful" category of simply not being able to tank all the strongest physical attacks and all the strongest special attacks and deal non-trivial amounts of damage.
If you want a spicier, worse sauce: Rain Dance Sableye to overwrite sun that was set up by the opponent, including via a sunny day tornadus.
(do not do this)
i have been reminded Galarian Darmanitan essentially has built in choice band as an ability
Gorilla Tactics
Part of the problem with Wo-Chien is that a lot of the stuff it'd normally check has U-Turn, which is quadruple effective against it.
there's also a decent number of intimidate users
disgraceful
we did at least get Chien Pao tho
Chi yu is my fave of them
Chi Yu is a foul creature (but it's cool)
you need to understand it enables toxtricity to hit for all the damage
It also allows Chi Yu to Hypermurder people
but like, that's cool and based
so true
Given the (too-strong) existence of Gorilla Tactics, I think it'd be neat if there was a pokemon with the opposite sort of effect, where their ability gave them some sort of benefit but stopped them from using the same move consecutively.
that's already a pair of moves
gigaton hammer and blood moon
might also be something else that I'm forgetting, but definitely those two
Yeah, but that just prevents them using that specific move consecutively (and yeah, it's just those two).
hyper beam but really good instead of bad
I mean a mon under constant Torment.
...reminds me of some of the pokemon content I came up with, some of which is either poorly designed, or designed in a way which feels realistic but also unusably bad. (Note that I haven't figured out numbers for any of the moves.)
Gorilla Tactics + Choice Scarf is a classic, loved that in early Sword Shield online events
@covert saffron
real as shit
why can’t i pin shit in the forum i created smh
Oh so that’s the adorable thing in Leon’s pfp
ogrepon yeah
Oh god it’s so cute
that's but one ogrepon face
Wait is it basically just wearing a hoodie?
More of a shawl, really?
Still cute
Oh, absolutely.
Whenever I get around to getting violet I need to get one of these things
Fun fact: she has a set nature
Shes locked into a Lonely Nature
Her legendary storyline is fun and it helps that ogrepon is Real Good
How real good?
Ogerpon has something like an 18% usage rate in the current vgc era
8th most used pokemon
she beats up Urshifu :)
Yeah
I can only speak for vgc, but Ogerpon is one of those "you need a good reason not to use her" team slots
Apparently the fire one is in ubers
…also for some reason all of the smogon sets are giving her natures that aren’t lonely, which is odd
Oh wait right mints are a thing now, I forgot
yeah, the locked natures thing is mostly for like... story purposes
which is something i hope they continue exploring
She’s in the first dlc
I'm seeing a slight issue with wanting something from the dlc
(I forgot they made pokemon games $60 for a second there)
idk if anyone else plays pokemon unite but falinks and miraidon are coming to the public test server
does Unite still have a playerbase? We just assumed the game was dead
Its very active
Has a lot of competition at the Master+ rank, and a fair number of content creators like Spragles
And me
and reggie!
Though I mostly play till I get masters in a season or when a new Pokémon drops
Next season is introducing draft at masters
yeah that'll be wild
I’m keen
I mostly play a lot of Slowbro/Decidueye/mamoswine
dodrio is so funny
we looked at the roster and now we're kind of tempted to try it out
I’m not convinced that game is good but I do play it
I play till I lose like once then I stop
There’s also absolutely an issue of no one wants to play support
But a good support or defender basically ensures you win the game
well we've got great news on that point, we're support mains in League and Dota lol
Supports are almost universally cracked Millie
yeah, babysitting a carry is a super winning strat in unite
Hoopa has the “get everyone to a team fight and back into a team fight faster”
Supports are also best in coordinated play where you can trust your carries to not suck
Yeah
Rotate bottom for first Regi then rotate top then prioritise top but get bottom if you can
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i'm so keen
this is the coolest design they've done
love the score animation
just a tower o guys
sorry to bring in a bunch of slightly off topic stuff
just excited
lmao the little No Retreat moonwalk
I expect some animations to be jank on the pts
doing the cha cha slide with my boys falinks
Falink up with the boys and we slidin through
miraidon looks like a monster but legends have been so far
bars
harry ngl i have no idea whether i stole that from some pokemon rap
get him he’s ciphering
oh shit he knows
bro i was there for TM87
it's unclear which you mean
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Nemona works too well on Azucena
thats what it feels like when nemona pops up
I have been informed that shiny toucannon looks like the bi flag
I am about to do something extremely ill advised and spend 50 years trying to get one
yes
The good news is that USUM gives me a more reliable way of finding one
The bad news is that it's still a 1/315 chance
do you know why this is?
🤷♀️
that's what toucan beaks look like in heat cameras
Bicorns
actually this is more like a 1/316 chance ☝️🤓
wassup
Oh
Uhhhhhh no idea
Since recent additions to combat (z-moves, dynamax) have only stuck around for like... a single generation I'm less likely to see Pokemon as something constantly building on itself in general
Something some romhacks have I think main series could enjoy would be Missions / sidequest log.
Was watching a Lockstin video and he mentioned the lack of innovation and I was just wondering what people actually want. At least from within the community.
I also really want more fun spinoffs
Oh! Yeah!
Wheres my animal crossing pokemon game
Otherwise i kinda love Pokemon for being Pokemon
The formula works
Id love another Legends or even a modern take on Conquest again
changing my answer this is what i want
I wonder which mons would get the Raymond treatment and which mons would be chased out of every village with a stick
Let me be a farmer raising pokemon
Pokemon definitely needs more spin offs yes.
Maybe they could be a buffer between main line releases.
I think i'm at the point where I'm more interested in spin-offs than main series
Mostly i remember having good times with games like Pokemon Channel
Need more weird ones
I do want Pokémon Palworld
The forbidden word
Pokemon Conquest and Pokemon Mystery Dungeon have the shared appeal of "little dudes on a grid"
Little dudes on a grid!!
Conquest had a neat bonding system and even neater scenario system
like. idk give us something like Detective Pikachu where it's a completely different genre but in the world of Pokemon
VNs. with Pokemon in the backgrounds and character portraits
Like a actiony pokemon game with farming stuff and more wilderness exploration would be neat.
You should!!
My preferences are pretty firmly turn-based but I know people would appreciate that
I definitely think a pokemon game could focus on exploration and like... getting equipment and still be turn based.
i don't really need pokemon to innovate
Yeah that's kinda the feeling I have. I just want more spin offs. And maybe a game with a more fleshed out story and region.
oh i'd like they to stick with a gimmick and i like teras as a gimmick
Yeah
I kinda liked SUMO because they let you have yout pick of all the gimmicks so far
i didn't think megas were good
well that's untrue
i did but now i don't
their selection for megas was all wrong
I would want megas to come back. But I would want all mons to have access to a generic version of it.
Just not feasible unless you really limited the dex
they gave megas to a bunch of pokemon that were already good mostly
Which people Do Not Like
at least with teras the right tera type can do a lot for a pokemon
if their type is what's limiting them
Arguably dynamax is mega 4 everyone
I was about to say yeah, dynamax basically seemed like them doing megas but giving them to everything
I mean generic as in like... a stat boost. While others mons get the actual form changes. Yeah! Kinda like dynamic
i think Pokemon should remind everyone that it's an RPG. no gyms, linear story, fight your dad who's turned into a seven winged angel
Thats just the end of Legends Arceus
send out like four mons at once in two rows
oh no way
I am joking mostly but it does have a multiphase fight vs satan
if they were to switch shit up
more double battles
that's something i'd like them to do
I guess if you want a party you could do something like Persona. Where you can switch mons, but your party have a set partner.
Colleseum's double gimmick was fun
His vibes are great.
Doubles would also make a lot of pokemon that aren't meant for singles better in a normal playthrough
I want a game that does feel like you're traveling a bit more. Maybe go in more on the camping mechanics.
|| https://youtu.be/UDm66txo3WE?si=w8DGCeSeAQlKlOFC this is a 3 phase boss fight but its very final fantasy ||
Having all gyms be doubles would be nice
also limiting you to the number of pokemon the gym leader has would be fun but that's a me thing
i wouldn't even go that far like 3 of 8 being doubles
I think scaling gym leaders would help as well.
Yeah again Pokemon Colleseum But Again would rule for a doubles focus
So you can pick the order?
Yes
ScVi had it weird with scaling gyms cause you could pick the order but if it scaled off badges you could still demolish shit due to the other storylines
Hm?
I think they should have tied some progress in the other stories into each other.
Theres 3 storylines in scarvi
Gyms, Big Pokemon, and Villain Team stories, which all converge into The Finale
Like having a group of objectives for a "chapter" and you can handle them in any order.
And the non gym ones scale?
That's only if they really don't want to make gyms scale.
I have mixed feelings about scaling gyms because I see the appeal of picking the order you take them, but if they scale based on average level of your party or whatever, that means you can't challenge yourself by bringing in a party at a too-low level, or get past one by training to a higher level first
They all scale, but within their own storylines
no none of them scale
Oh okay
scale based on number of badges
Yeah that could work
Maybe you can ask the gym leader for their elite team as an option?
So you do one stage of each storyline at a time to keep them on level?
the problem with scaling gyms is simply availability of certain types
nope because they have different amounts
I see
8 gyms five hideouts six big pokemon
If you do ScarVi in "intended route order" it does line up and work out level wise
It is open world but they do give you a lot of guide posts on where to go
yeah but the logic of that doesn't flow super well to me
How well sign posted is the "intended order"?
it's route order
NPCs saying "go here next"
also that
Ah okay neat
"Hey lil buddy meet me by the cliffs soon" stuff
next main series Pokemon game should be Pokemon Snap 3
The switch Snap was beautiful
the first gym is on the opposite side of a city to the next location
I forgot what he said, but I remember Jello having a good idea for this.
pokken 2 next spin off
Okay so unless I'm even more unobservant than usual I should be fine then
Oh!
Pokemon Pic version and Pokemon Kick version
here's a labelled guide rose
I feel like gym leaders having an optional hard mode would be a good alternative as well.
Got it, thank you!
The cool news is that all 18 types are represented
only if you include elite four but yes
Ye i count them
what's double repped
I feel like having optional challenges and stuff would be fun for those wanting harder battles in the story.
Like maybe you can have sassy replies to the villains that trigger more challenging battles. But have it be highlighted as hard.
The Herba pokemon double up on types elsewhere
Unrelated, playing USUM and forgot that Kukui more or less just goes "you see that huge mountain over there? The one that's sacred to us? I'm building a pokemon league there!"
the herba are sorta like that but more similar to raids
Admittedly this is the pokemon universe and the Tapus*love a good fight so I guess it works? Still feels weird to do in pokemon hawaii though
The totems fights are great yeah, unless you bring an inkay or malamar then they're less great 😔
Big squiddie
I think I vibe with SUMO a lot
Other USUM thing: I forgot that you can just get choice specs like halfway through the game and you don't even need to go to a battle facility or anything, some guy just gives them to you after you beat him in a battle
🤷♀️
He's just a random veteran with a sliggoo, shelgon, and gabite
This doesn't happen for band or scarf either, just specs
You Need Glasses
im in the same boat as everyone else regarding innovation in pokemon: it doesnt really need it it just needs to build on the ideas it comes up with each gen instead of tossing them aside once the new games come around
and that all the gimmicks from previous gens should all come back. yes even dynamax even though i dislike it conceptually. and they should give new megas/special z-moves/gigantamax (i think thats the special dynamax thing anyway) to pokemon that need it in the hypothetical 'they do that' situation
(and they should make feraligatr op)
they buffed a bunch of starters when they put them in scarlet and violet
(im still 10 years old at heart and want my fave to get preferential treatment)
i also agree with the more spinoffs sentiment, and id specifically like to see another pokemon rangers game, because i always thought those games were super cool (i should pick up a copy of almia sometime since its the only one i havent played)
i'm this worlds only pokemon unite supporter
it's a good spinoff
they do a good job of capturing what the pokemon feel like
i wont rest until feraligatr is in OU (<guy who barely knows competitive)
if unite gets gator maybe ill consider playing it (<guy who didnt buy SWSH specifically because feraligatr line wasnt in it at launch)
you know what i can respect the loyalty
i specifically picked it up on launch cause it had garchomp even though chomp was bad
one tricked that unmeta dragon to masters
im seriously considering spending the dosh to get every single feraligatr line pokemon card that was ever released once i get a stable job
and then framing them
i love my gator
i know someone who bought every shroomish card
RESPECT! shroomish is a delightful little guy
love its |:< face
fuecoco was like 50% of the reason i ultimately wound up picking up ScarVio because it reminded me of totodile and i like all the gator pokemon (the other 50% was that all my friends were like 'the characters are kinda crazy good')
wait another thing they need to do is add more fossil pokemon
i fucking love fossil pokemon
i still think it was such a power move of the designers to not add a t-rex or sauropod fossilmon until gen fucking six and instead doing weird deep cuts like anomalocaris
and even more respect for them picking amaurgasaurus as their sauropod basis
and cause tyrunt is adorable
shroomish |:<
big fan of shieldon/bastiodon, carracosta, and lileep/cradily
I wish any of them were good
tyrunt is the core of any little cup team i build
i am this world's only amaura user (the typing is Bad)
aurora veil fun
They're neat, but Amaura's fun claim to fame is being the only one to do it initially
i like tyrunt more than tyrantrum because strong jaw is a lot more useful an ability when the bites are better
i.e when you're weaker
nomnomnom
ice is a good offensive stab and rock is a decent coverage type (hitting fire types is especially nice), but the combined defensive typing is just... so painful
being four times weak to one of the most common coverage types is yeah
might be good with a tera type though
oh for sure
i could run it the same way i run my a-ninetales
ground tera basically negates most of its weaknesses
and you still keep your good offensive stab
Having not played SV, could someone explain Tera to me?
Like the specifics
You can keep your old type’s STAB?
you change your type to another type gaining it's defensive attributes and stab but keeping stab from your original type/types
but if you pick a type you already had
it's extra
yep and you keep it if you switch out
like a mega evo
Got it
i think it's a great mechanic tbh
oh there's also Stellar
which is a type you can only have when tera
stellar is neutral on everything but super effective on tera'd pokemon though there's only one move most pokemon can get that'd be stellar type
and you get stab on each type of move the first time you use it
its a lot more niche in applications
it's bad
it's probably the worst type to tera into
except for one specific pokemon that can only be stellar tera
the move you can use is tera blast a normal type move that becomes your tera type when tera'd
and it uses your better attacking stat if memory serves
using it you're guaranteed to have something with stab on your tera type in the worst case
it used to be the best source of physical ghost stab for dragapult
and then the dlc gave us poltergeist 🙏
i am a dragapult lover
i love to shoot my kids out of my head
Dragapult our beloved 🤝
tru
Mixed attacking drag is scary
even not mixed it's not like ghost is the best attacking type
yeah
effective into two types, one of which is itself
immune to two types
resistant to two types
it's much more interesting defensively than offensively
Ghost is pretty good as a second type for a lot of things because so little resists it
But dragon is also in that same group as ghost
ghost gets you a couple immunities at least
dodging fakeout is legit
it will block your rapid spin
you WILL get spiked and you WILL get stealth rocked and you WILL get salt cured
it will implode to knock off
hazards are that big in doubles
oh sorry
People use rapid spin in vgc?
see above
most of my experience regarding hazards is in singles, where they're... pretty meta dominating rn
and probably will be until hazard clear other than rapid spin, mortal spin, and defog exists
since all three of those are blocked by string cheese tony hawk
it's always weather or hazards
you see a lot of weather in vgc, no hazards unless its just a side effect of something happening
what is happening in there
https://fxtwitter.com/Alola_Family/status/1752962454814888286
Masters EX
rad
It’s a weird gacha game thing
No scald really hurts it
feraligatr drop
its gatorver.... (<he doesnt even play comp)
Minior drop is the real crime
Zoroark 😦
i blame malamar
Wait how
i dunno it's just usually a safe bet
Alolamola stays winning!
so true
the nefarious cuttlefish
no creature should have contrary
contrary superpower time
But consider: the smug leaf snake deserves it
the cruel creature deserves draco meteor as well
you are villains
Yes but consider:
i think all the gen v starters look silly sorry
serperior i love you
we remember when gen 5 was first revealing its starters and everyone on the internet called Snivy "Smugleaf"
👵
Very good name tbh
I know right?
i'm sorry just none of them appeal to me
yeahh gens 4 and 5 were kind of weak on the starters
it's still hard to believe they went three gens in a row with a fire/fighting final stage starter
Torterra's great, the others are 👎
I disliked torterra initially because its whole deal is basically a redo of bulbasaur but now I like it a lot
Samurott and Serperior we liked quite a bit though
fun fact: the early fandom name for Oshawott was "Wotter"
sadly we don't remember what everybody called the pig
pignite is a better name than it actually has
I think it was "Piglit".
that was it, pignite is what it actually uses 😅
i'm a gen 3 girly, love me swampert
it's true!
gen 6 and 7 had great starters
6 and 7 are both really solid
we're kind of partial to 6 over 7 but not by much
i do wish delphox was fire/fairy, but it's such a cool mon regardless that i can let it slide
chesnaught's my girl though
luv me chesnaught
im very partial to gen 5 purely on the basis of it being the time someone at Game Freak woke up and said "wait a minute... what if bug pokemon... were good?"
making it fairy would make sense for introduction of fairy type
we started greninja in 6 but would've been happy with any of them tbh
heracross is a monster in gen four
also the "we basically didn't have any of the older pokemon in it for much of the game" is good
Yeah I wish there was more opportunities for that
gen 9 has really good starters tbh
of the gen 9 starters?
yes
tossup between Fuecoco and Quaxly's final stages, slightly leaning towards Quaxly's final stage
Volcarona and scolipede my beloveds
Volcarona 💙
Skeledirge is such a good design
take a guess at our favorite PLA starter
hisuian typhlosion
ding ding ding we have a winner
all of the PLA starters fuck but Typhlosion is our favorite starter across every gen
so ofc we get Hisuian Typhlosion
Wish Larvesta didn't take 59 levels to evolve but at least you can get the relic castle volcarona in b2w2
that was always so bizarre to us
is that the winner for "highest required level to hit final stage"?
My favorite starter is definitely turtwig, he's just a cute little guy I love him
I love all my starters
I think hydregion is level 64
probably hydreigon right?
holy shit it's 64??
Yep!
what in the world were they thinking when they made that decision
yeah it sucks
it's not the middle stage long yeah
The unova dex has a lot of pokemon that inexplicably take forever to evolve
Like meinfoo takes 50 levels to evolve into meinshao
wait really?
that's bizarre
the game's level curve isn't designed to support evo levels that high
This is also why I have never used meinfoo before
I think the idea was that it is kinda silly to finish evolving at 36 and still have 60+ levels to go
But the level curve for base b/w juuuust doesn't quite get you there
shoutout to Indigo Disk for having fights in the 80s
Some hacks of b/w with higher level curves but no additional pokemon feel very good cuz of this
the level curve is actually one of our biggest criticisms of the franchise
indigo disc is top tier postgame
when you start looking into how pokemon level you start getting a bunch of bizarre decisions not just in terms of evolution levels but also which moves are available when
competitive players know the pain of pokemon with shallow movepools but don't so often need to contend with the fact that you don't even get half of those moves for forever
you finish the E4 and you're like "welp how am I gonna hit 100?" and it turns out you just do the same mid-60 E4 fights for a hundred hours
Jellicent takes until level 40, lampent is level 41, beheeyem is 42...
I will say at least for hydreigon it's a pseudo legendary and those always take forever to fully evolve
I do think "hitting level 100" just isn't a consideration that takes any priority
Its just a side goal at best for some players
yeah I don't think the devs are thinking about that one
But i do like that ending team levels have steadily increased
you know what i dislike
Is it me
weird evo conditions particularly trade evos
Trade evos are the worst
Anything beating Red's level 88 Pikachu yet
Oh yeah, braviary and mandibuzz are level 54 evos! But thankfully b2w2 give you a way to get them earlier and with their hidden abilities!
But you do not want mandibuzz's hidden ability so that one barely counts
Braviary's hidden ability is very good though
i was about to say weak armour rules
it's what makes armarouge good
i'm sorry for thinking this
Braviary's hidden ability is defiant
im afraid that the stupider the evolution condition the more I like it
Runegrigras my beloved
runerigas lover detected
They're a pain yeah
trading ones I am not attached to because I think they should stop selling two copies of the same game
fuck murdoc knew
What's runerigas's evo condition?
I really like trading as a concept for getting folks connected but i also think there should just be a Trade Stone or smth
Link stone
you must walk under a certain bridge while having taken a certain amount of damage through battle
Trading was soooooo cool and hype before wifi
wat
the animations of pokemon physically travelling through link cables were much cuter than tossing them really high into the cloud
go through the bridge
what
Its great
the fuck
The Arceus Legends evos rule too
Basculegion has this fun one
It evolves from White-Striped Basculin when leveled up after losing at least 294 HP from recoil damage without fainting.
"turn your ds upside down" is peak but now we're back to everything being malamar's fault
fuck malamar
How does Malamar evolve now
kingambit is another annoying one
you turn your TV upside-down
Aussie strats
Oh hey this exists
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Pokémon_that_evolve_through_a_unique_method
These are Pokémon that evolve in a special way not shared with any other Pokémon.
Finizen silly
Bulba says it's still the gyro???
WHY
The Switch has one
Wait so there are apparently 7 sweets which means there are 63 possible alcremi- OH GOD WHAT ABOUT SHINIES
YEP
summoning meloetta in SV is actually pretty similar to evolving alcermie
look its really nobody's fault for ever believing that there might really be a Mew under that truck
Oh god it's so cute I love it!
Its got a very cool move
Decorate raises the target's Attack and Special Attack stats by two stages each. Unlike most moves, it bypasses moves like Protect, Detect, and even Max Guard to affect the target but is blocked by Crafty Shield. It cannot affect a target that has a substitute or in the semi-invulnerable turn of a move.
Okay I appreciate actually being able to get mythical pokemon without an event but did it really need to be more complicated than getting regigigas in ORAS?
i dont like gimmighoul but thats mostly just because i dont think its a very good mimic pokemon 😔
cheese string surfer dude is funny though
huh i didn't know this
Cowabunga
unique moves and abilities are some of my favourite shit
If it helps, you get a lot of good
Npc hints
Finally, a way I could actually use meloetta
dragon darts remains top tier idc
Oooh, it has a very good shiny 👀

ima eat it
i love that they took kommo-o's unique z move and scaled it down and made it a signatue move
Clangorous Soul raises the user's Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense and Speed by one stage each, at the cost of 1/3 of its maximum HP.
Okay that seems good
seems like more gen 9 pokemon than average have signature moves
clangorous
my gf’s ass be like
i’ll put myself in the jail don’t worry
the more you can do to make pokemon lines unique the better, generally
got their work cut out by having 1000 of the things though
this is a legit concern
unique moves bother me solely because i always want them on other pokemon
i want my toxicroak to learn mortal spin.
although it's also kind of hard to come up with unique things at this point
they still do tho
tends to be nowadays when you see a list of added moves its like "oh neat a fire-type sucker punch"
oh yeah for sure I am not saying it is impossible, just hard
for sure yeah
but they manage it
and tbh slightly different other move is still enough to get some hype in me
signature abilities are definitely where they get weirder
Pew pew
journeys was overwhelmingly well animated
Holy shit that’s incredible
yeah journeys is good and the new one is too
obviously less cool but the dragapult vs flygon fight is a climactic thing to show how good leon is
new show is dope asf
Damn what is with those Pikas 😭
Is that just what double team looks like in universe?
Oh is it just ONE pika?
It seems to start out as just one at least 🤷♀️
I just remembered, and cannot fully get over, the Ethical Sushi Pokemon.
The what
Tatsugiri?
Ethical Sushi Dragon
Veluza, yeah.
he's fun
pointy
i pulled this yday in cards

