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manic kindle
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I really liked playing a catch em all version of Red doing that

covert saffron
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like

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going out

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having a notebook

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filling the pokédex manually

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by hand

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talking about towns and mon and moves

pliant violet
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does anyone other than me have strong feelings about Clawitzer

south laurel
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I think it’s got a pretty cool design

tiny saffron
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its alright I guess

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for looks, I like clauncher more

pliant violet
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i like the look and i also like mega launcher as an ability

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makes it a coverage monster

covert saffron
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optimal water type crustacean pokémon

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love the lob

pliant violet
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it's more prawn/shrimp

covert saffron
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i like both a LOT

pliant violet
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but i respect the respect

covert saffron
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good

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you should

iron lake
pliant violet
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ye

manic kindle
pliant violet
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good answer

manic kindle
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a clauncher up one arm, a joltik as a taser on his other

pliant violet
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very good

covert saffron
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except looker

manic kindle
covert saffron
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D:

manic kindle
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long story short he was trying to catch them to hold them for reasonable suspicians BUT it was time to go save a legendary so they had to beat up the detective lmao

near flower
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DONBROS MENTION!!!

covert saffron
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THIS GAME IS WILD

manic kindle
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Miror B rules

snow cobalt
umbral hound
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I love how everyone is in the epilogue. Not even from the events of the plot! Just... in general.

covert saffron
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pecharunt good??? suuuus

verbal shoal
covert saffron
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hahahaha

umbral hound
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was this already posted here? I don't think so? Anyway I ran into it and wanted to share it.

jovial rampart
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2 out of 3 isn't bad.

pliant violet
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owned

round perch
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I feel like ||Ogrepon would disagree on it being evil.||

round perch
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Damn

umbral hound
covert saffron
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they put jirachi in the blunt and smoked him

umbral hound
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babby

covert saffron
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crispy

pliant violet
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which hitmon is coolest

south laurel
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Top

pliant violet
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reason

south laurel
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Top > Chan > Lee

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‘S silly

pliant violet
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interesting ok

torpid escarp
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trick question they're all lame

pliant violet
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there are no lame pokemon

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i sentence you to batteries running out on everything

soft isleBOT
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sorry we're hitmonhaters

jovial rampart
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Hitmontop is also my favorite if i had to choose, though I like all three.

pliant violet
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it's ok

pliant violet
tiny saffron
pliant violet
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yes what about them

tiny saffron
torpid pivot
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Yanma rules

snow cobalt
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Yanma is great

tiny saffron
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Yanmegas pretty cool

pliant violet
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Scout you cannot win because i love pocket monsters

tiny saffron
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Yanmas just a big dragonfly

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now flygon
thats a cool dragonfly

pliant violet
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yes and?

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one being cool does not preclude the other

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it is not a zero sum game

tiny saffron
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I just don't see it
its not a bad design, I guess

jovial rampart
# pliant violet reason?

The Tasmanian Devil was favorite Loony Toons around the time HItmontop debut in the anime. Hit the same buttons.

tiny saffron
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I just 😐 when I see it

pliant violet
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good answer Superior

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no curse for you

tiny saffron
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tops cool because its a very strange design to me

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3 legs, and spins around

tiny saffron
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oh the last ones a tail?

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still

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its got a funky shape

snow cobalt
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I wanna know where they got the idea for it
Is it a visual pun on "balance"

pliant violet
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yeah and inspired by capoeristas

snow cobalt
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Oh yeah that does make sense

covert saffron
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hitmonchan

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iron fist fucks

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best special sweeper in gen 1-3

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really normal stat spread

covert saffron
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amen

manic kindle
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Intimidate + Fake Out + Close Combat is fun

covert saffron
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hitmontop has always been okay for doubles

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i wanna get into doubles but idk the new game

manic kindle
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Tera can be a lot to wrap your head around, esp defensively, but channels like Moxie Boosted help explain good content for vgc, so does champ Wolfey

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I like the current season a lot, I think Ogrepon is very neat, and I get to use Entei to demolish nerds

covert saffron
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i wish i had more pokémon friends than my gf

south laurel
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87 uniqueness on today’s Pokedoku, feeling proud of myself

pliant violet
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crow bat

south laurel
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Old Yeller ;_;

pliant violet
soft isleBOT
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That's what we're here for!

harry, five years running ↩️

[Reply to:](#1160615504562638910 message) i wish i had more pokémon friends than my gf

pliant violet
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no it hasn't but oh no

tiny saffron
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good picrew

covert saffron
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fully expect a ghost type named for him OR a “new yeller” in a future nuzlocccke

covert saffron
covert saffron
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fuck u lookin at keep scrolling

torpid escarp
pliant violet
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folks toxtricity is very cool

south laurel
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Yes

covert saffron
manic kindle
pliant violet
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Amped mostly

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but both rule

manic kindle
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I got really attached to my low key form from story mode

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punk rock boomburst is very funny

pliant violet
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overdrive isn't far behind

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i used punkrock boomburst and dragapult using dragon darts for the tower

manic kindle
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snarl getting an overdrive boost is also very handy

pliant violet
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overdrive boost?

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you mean punk rock?

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overdrive is the signature move for toxtricity

manic kindle
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o yeah i read overdrive in your message and my brain just swapped em

azure crane
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Yeah, I want to make my Toxtricity Tera Normal.

pliant violet
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oh brutal damage

manic kindle
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just like the old Explosion days

covert saffron
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yknow what i like about nuzlockes?

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like the team-building specifically

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it is very much a ship of theseus situation

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i always end up seeing one or another pokémon as the team captain in some capacity: old yeller, henlo; others as sort of mascots: capitalism/communism, so on

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the emergent storytelling

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mwah chefs kiss

manic kindle
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Yeah, ye olde nuzlocke comics got me into it, even did a few of my own

covert saffron
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i need to comic-ify nuzlocccke

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codify it in legend

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FR - CRYSTAL - ORANGE - EMERALD - PLATINUM - SOME OTHER SIXTH THING

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emerald is going well! training in petalburg woods :)

umbral hound
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My brain just played the little jingle that plays when you first enter Petalburg Woods. (Ruby was basically my first game ever and I have a lot of random things from it embedded in my brain.)

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Also, competitive players have been asking for a way to lower IVs for years, especially with Trick Room being more prevalent and one-time-only mons being given guarenteed perfect IVs. And I think I have a good idea: a spa.

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You can send up to 6 pokemon to a spa, and it'll raise their happiness. (Some pokemon relax in hot sand rather than in water.) You can also provide various items as spa additives. And one of the items you can provide are mints, which raise the IVs corresponding to the stat that nature boosts and reduces the IVs corresponding to the stat that nature reduces (probably with a greater effect for mints that match the pokemon's nature). That way, it isn't too free, but you have a way to increase and reduce IVs along with peripheral benefits (possibly have some additive options which can increase EVs? "Fresh Start Mochi" lets you reset EVs completely, but maybe something more targeted could be available here as well. Something like berries tweaking EVs depending on their flavor?)

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Heck, this'd let you use and differentiate the stat-neutral natures. For instance, if a pokemon's nature would both increase and decrease Attack, they're Hardy, so using a Hardy Mint as an additive would have a positive effect for any pokemon with an Attack-boosting nature and a negative effect for any pokemon with an Attack-lowering nature. Serious is for if the pokemon's nature would both increase and reduce Speed, so it'd increase stats for pokemon with a Speed-boosting nature and reduce stats for pokemon with a Speed-reducing nature.

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Maybe using Berries as additives just increase EVs based on the flavor (and presumably you'd have to turn those berries into additives in some way and not just provide them outright), and there's a special item you can acquire in some way specifically for resetting EVs?

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Or you could even do something with Herba Mysticas (Herbas Mysticas? Herbas Mystica?) where their flavor affects the stats instead.

covert saffron
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rusty bottlecap

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minimises an IV

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done

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there are two types of people in this world

umbral hound
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Yeah, rusty bottlecap is also good, but I don't expect pokemon to be too nice, and "minimizes a stat with no increase" could confuse a new player and they might not want that.

manic kindle
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They've given us golden bottlecaps

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thats pretty nice

manic kindle
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Im feeling pretty good about the nicknames this run

pliant violet
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one issue i have is just general to his content

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he calls doubles competitive pokemon

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ignoring competitive formats of singles

manic kindle
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To be fair, VGC is doubles

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Thats what they compete in for the big prizes

pliant violet
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sure but like there are formats of singles with prizes

manic kindle
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Im with you

pliant violet
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also i just don't really like vgc?

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i feel like it's format has too few restrictions in a way that doesn't breed creativity

covert saffron
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i like vgc*

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  • depending on the year, the format, the people playing, the dominant meta, the allowed pokémon, whether it’s regional dex or national, whether or not it’s not overly centralised
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at least singles adapts very well to off meta picks when they provide a useful niche

pliant violet
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yeah that's fair it's a bit harsh for me to say i don't like it outright

covert saffron
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but no i’m with you

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on every level

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i love gen 3 ou

pliant violet
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vgc just by allowing a lot of pokemon to be legal all at once becomes a lot more centralising

covert saffron
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but there are lots of things i wish i could do in a gen 3 doubles context

pliant violet
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while smogon style tiers singles breeds creativity ime

covert saffron
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so many years the team that wins won against a team that matched 50% or more of that team

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the team that won ADV revival finals played a pretty unique team

pliant violet
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basically every team at vgc championship last year ran one of the kung fu bears

covert saffron
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outside of skarm and ttar, arguably the two most centralising mon in the format, these two teams are unique to one another

pliant violet
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by basically i mean all bar one of the top 8 in three different age brackets

covert saffron
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reggie u wanna play some gen3 w me

pliant violet
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god no

covert saffron
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fuck

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he hates me

pliant violet
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no

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i hate no special physical split

covert saffron
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not unique different

pliant violet
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the fact they're both running skarm and ttar is something

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i wish doubles was more popular on smogon

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cause it is interesting and complex

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i just don't like the regulations on legality for vgc

covert saffron
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agree

covert saffron
pliant violet
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not just gen 3

covert saffron
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most versatile, strongest, really easy to use for beginners but also incredibly diverse set viability for more experienced players

pliant violet
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if sand is ever good you know ttar is there being a menace

covert saffron
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max spatk dark STAB t-tar with pursuit, fire blast, ice beam, and toxic is a thing

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shits wild

pliant violet
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that's partially enabled by the lack of split

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i think the split does railroad some pokemon more

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but it lets more be viable

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which i consider worthwhile

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and it makes pokemon with mixed stats super interesting

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it's interesting how different things are valued singles vs doubles like

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protect is garbage in singles

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and spikes kinda suck in doubles

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well they don't suck but putting spikes up isn't worth the turn

covert saffron
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protect is actually really good in gens 2-5

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and then drops off pretty dramatically

soft isleBOT
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isn't Protect a huge part of Gen 2's stall meta?

pliant violet
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the problem with protect in my understanding is you're giving up a turn to do nothing

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and if your opponent can set up at all that's an issue

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in singles

covert saffron
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ehhh depends

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but it’s risky

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it’s a safe play on stall

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or sand teams with reliable chip heal

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gliscor, skarm, jirachi, etc

umbral hound
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As I understand it, Protect is very nichely useful in singles and very commonly useful in doubles due to the possibility to protect a mon that both your opponents attacked.

manic kindle
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Its very good in doubles

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VGC is fast paced, even wasting one attack blows

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This is part of why Urshifu is cracked

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He breaks that part of the formula

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Singles tend to focus on hazards and setup, doubles has a bigger focus on speed control and target priority

red rampart
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What's Urshifu do?

manic kindle
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A few key things in combination that ill paste here for maximum drama

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His ability:

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If the Pokémon uses moves that make direct contact, it can attack the target even if the target protects itself.

red rampart
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Oh god

manic kindle
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Surging Strikes is a water type move with 25 bp that hits 3 times and always crits

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And water stab in a Rain format is very good

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And speed 97 under Tailwind beats most everything relevant

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Add onto that its other great moves like good fighting stab and youve got a beast!

red rampart
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So it breaks through protect and sturdy and focus sash and can outspeed almost everything with tailwind

manic kindle
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Yup!

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Now it is fragile, and there are equally rough threats that give it a run for its money but

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A very good intro to vgc strategy is just Urshifu+Tornadus

snow cobalt
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How is turn order calculated in doubles? if you have a way to bost a buddy's speed, can you use that to make them go earlier this round or just next round?

manic kindle
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This round

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This is why Prankster Tailwind is very meta

snow cobalt
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oh

umbral hound
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Urshifu-Rapid Strikes is part of why I think Gastrodon is very well positioned into this meta. It's not only immune to Water moves; it redirects Water moves into itself, and gets a Special Attack boost when it would be hit by one. And you can calc it to survive Urshifu's Fighting-type moves. It's also immune to electric and resistant to fire, which are relevant with Raging Bolt and Entei both being pretty meaningfully relevant.

manic kindle
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Yeah, Gastrodon enjoys a nice vgc career

umbral hound
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I don't know if people are using it right now? But I strongly believe that they should be.

manic kindle
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It has a poor matchup into Ogrepon mostly

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I could see it getting good use on a Farigiraf team

umbral hound
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I also think... okay, I saw Moxie Boosted's video about winning with your favorite pokemon by figuring out what their specific niche is (rather than making them a worse version of something else), and that led me to consciously realize that Sableye is immune to both Fake Out and Prankster Taunt without needing an item.

manic kindle
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Armor Tail trick room does really well nowadays

umbral hound
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Gastrodon needs to Tera Fire to handle Ogerpon, yeah. And it's not touching the water one offensively.

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Sableye has some neat stuff it can do in general, actually. It has a weirdly good attacking movepool for a mon with terrible offensive stats, but it also has Prankster and access to:

  • Disable
  • Fake Out
  • Quash
  • Sunny Day/Rain Dance
  • Reflect/Light Screen
  • Will-O-Wisp
  • Thunder Wave
  • Encore
  • Taunt
  • Imprison
  • Skill Swap (if you're doing something dumb)
  • Helping Hand
  • Gravity (again, good if you're doing dumb stuff specifically)
  • Confuse Ray
  • Feint
  • Torment
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These are not all equally useful. It's also slower than Tornadus/Thunderus, which means it can't taunt them out of a move, but also that if it uses a weather move it'll take place after theirs. And it'll be able to encore one of them if you read them leading with weather or tailwind immediately.

manic kindle
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Prankster WoW is solid into urshifus and ole big hands, and t-wave is nice if your offensive core needs to edge out certain speeds

umbral hound
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...unless I'm missing something, it is the only mon with Prankster Will-O-Wisp. Prankster Quash is also neat for when you really need to go first to win a trade. And if you give Sableye a Focus Sash, the only things that will stop it from getting off a status move are Armor Tail(/Queenly Majesty/Dazzling/Psychic Terrain for the enemy-targeted moves), Water Shuriken, or being doubled by two different priority moves.

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Torment is better than Disable in the exact situation of being able to use it on your opponent's choiced mon before they use their attacking move, for if you're worried about getting doubled on that first turn. Otherwise, Disable makes them waste their next move, and then stay in. If you're feeling really funny you could run Encore and Disable to absolutely undeniably force a mon out (or, if it can't switch, force it to Struggle).

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The ultimate gimmick set for Sableye would be Encore/Disable/Mean Look (which I should have mentioned above, because Perish Trap shenanigans are also a thing occasionally and that isn't the right solution but it is a solution). ...I kind of want to try that now, because Encore and Disable are already real moves. You can't touch Incineroar though because of how Prankster works, though.

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...seriously, though, Sableye has every attacking move it could ever want, 75 Atk, 65 SpA, and 50 Speed.

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Also Bulk Up, Calm Mind, and Nasty Plot, because why not?

south laurel
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Sableye was made for earlier generations, really

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Back when it had the distinction of having no weaknesses

umbral hound
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I guess, but even then it was kind of made of tissue paper (50 HP, 75 Def, 65 SpD) and it had exactly one generation where it wasn't locked into having Stall as its ability and still had no weakness.

manic kindle
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Yeah, within RSE sableye is fine

umbral hound
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But it has access to (on the physical side) STAB Shadow Sneak, Knock Off, Sucker Punch, Foul Play (actually not bad if you want 1 attacking move on a prankster set), Poltergeist, Throat Chop, and Lash Out, plus Low Kick, Brick Break, Zen Headbutt, Fire/Thunder/Ice Punch, Drain Punch, Poison Jab, and X-Scissor for coverage.

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On the special side, STAB Shadow Ball, Dark Pulse, Snarl, and Hex, plus Power Gem, Energy Ball, Dazzling Gleam, and Psychic for coverage. And it also has utility attack moves in the form of Icy Wind, Low Sweep, Rock Tomb, Feint, and if you're feeling silly Skitter Smack.

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And Gyro Ball with no speed, which I can't believe I forgot to mention.

south laurel
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It also has Prankster Recover

umbral hound
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Oh, I missed that. ...I also missed Prankster Rest + Sleep Talk.

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It has a stacked movepool. I wish it had Trick Room, partially so that it could Prankster Imprison it. Klefki can do that, though.

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Imprison also turns off Imprison, which is good against some Farigiraf sets. Grimmsnarl can turn off Parting Shot, which seems maybe useful?

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I have tried to do something with Sableye before, but I might try making a team and then Actually Playing It.

tiny saffron
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which is why the pranksters with tailwind shot up

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before speed was checked start of round, now its start of turn

snow cobalt
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funky

pliant violet
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And part of the way it was checked last gen was dynamax that could block it

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There’s no arguing that it’s stronger than Zacian is strong in conventional ways

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Urshifu is weaker conventionally but turning off protect is just…. Not done

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Not without big cost

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On my recent dive into current meta it’s not a bad meta, it would just be improved if urshifu was worse

covert saffron
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if urshifu had sheer force or intimidate or guts it would be a significantly less centralising threat

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still relevant, but less relevant

pliant violet
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or even if it did reduced damage through protect style moves

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half or quarter

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still a very strong ability

covert saffron
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just dumb ain’t it

pliant violet
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also harry did you intentionally name 3 of the best abilities for general purposes

pliant violet
covert saffron
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yes, also sheer force isn’t THAT great. i’d rather take a band/setup set and an ability like water absorb, sturdy, trace, etc

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BUT yes

pliant violet
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did you know there's intimidate for other stats now

covert saffron
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yeah i heard

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which stats

pliant violet
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Sp Def Attack Def Sp Atttack

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they're all good except the attack one

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my fave is the Sp Def dropper

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it's a fire goldfish

covert saffron
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wait what intimidate is bad?

covert saffron
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ting wow

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bok choy

pliant violet
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Chi Yu

covert saffron
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that’s the one

pliant violet
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it's very funny

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and hits like a truck

covert saffron
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i love that dude

pliant violet
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and fire dark is a good typing

covert saffron
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i wish i had a pokémon card for it

pliant violet
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hopefully soon more paldean pokemon get cards

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the art is cool

covert saffron
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mmm they’re okay

languid lichen
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so its ability can't shine

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tons of weaknesses, STABS don't hit a ton super well, etc.

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and it's not really intimidate, it's significantly stronger than the already incredible ability

covert saffron
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i see

torpid escarp
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yeah, the X of Ruin abilities are all really good, but some of them are held back by the mons they're on

languid lichen
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ehhh

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not some

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just wochien

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tinglu is a massive presence in OU because of its comical bulk, solid attack + incredible paired offensive typing, and access to multiple hazards + good phys stab moves

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and then chienpao and chiyu are busted as fuck

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because they're just unstoppable wallbreakers that were too much for OU at all in singles

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chiyu hits like the fist of god, and chienpao is a more modest 18-wheeler to the skull combined with an excellent speed tier

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meanwhile, wochien sits there, sad and disconsolate, because there are two other grass-dark mons from the same gen

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that both do what they want much better (hard-hitting physical attackers with priority and priority + speed + protean respectively)

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and brute bonnet also has spore

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so it has actual real utility usage

manic kindle
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I love chienpao

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Sucker Punch funny

umbral hound
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Saw someone else talking about Gastrodon being meta relevant! although because they were demonstrating on Showdown, they ended up using the inferior pink Gastrodon. They (correctly) pointed out that it has Yawn, and then ended up running Stealth Rocks of all things because it works well with Yawn. And then it uses those in concert to let other team members set up, and it underspeeds Farigiraf and Ursaluna-Bloodmoon.

pliant violet
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Part of the issue with yawn is Gimmeghoul is good

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But I very much am coming around on gastrodon

umbral hound
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Gimmeghoul's eating a STAB Earth Power, or whatever your partner's doing.

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Gastrodon has a really good typing and a really good ability and a really good movepool and adequate stats, and it matches up into most of the best mons really well. Rillaboom and Ogerpon are kind of issues since they force you to go tera fire, and if you're not running a water move you can't really touch landorus, but I feel like none of that is insurmountable? A mon doesn't need a great matchup into everything to be good.

pliant violet
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You do have 6 mons and only bring four for a reason

umbral hound
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Yeah, if you see Ogerpon Rillaboom staring you down, you maybe don't bring Gastrodon unless you're comfortable using a defensive tera on it (which you very well might be). Raging Bolt, or Gouging Flame, or Urshifu-Rapid Strikes, or Entei? None of those are touching you with much of anything.

pliant violet
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And it’s not like many things are running Tera grass

umbral hound
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I mean, that was a thing occasionally to handle spore, but even then... if they're grass-type, but don't have any grass-type attacking moves, you kind of don't mind that much? You're not touching them with much, but you're sitting there and annoying them.

pliant violet
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Amoongus is around but it’s not attacking yeah

umbral hound
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The relevant things you have to worry about are Ogerpon, Rillaboom, and... Sinistcha, if it shows up? Raw power from Flutter Mane or Gimmieghoul or Ursaluna in either form?

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You can calc to wall a lot of that, though.

pliant violet
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Urshifu-Single strikes is pretty spooky

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Less so than rapid strikes but if everyone is building against that there’s a gap there to exploit

umbral hound
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Yeah, I think that belongs in the "generically powerful" category of simply not being able to tank all the strongest physical attacks and all the strongest special attacks and deal non-trivial amounts of damage.

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If you want a spicier, worse sauce: Rain Dance Sableye to overwrite sun that was set up by the opponent, including via a sunny day tornadus.

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(do not do this)

pliant violet
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i have been reminded Galarian Darmanitan essentially has built in choice band as an ability

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Gorilla Tactics

azure crane
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Part of the problem with Wo-Chien is that a lot of the stuff it'd normally check has U-Turn, which is quadruple effective against it.

pliant violet
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there's also a decent number of intimidate users

azure crane
pliant violet
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disgraceful

iron lake
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we did at least get Chien Pao tho

pliant violet
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Chi yu is my fave of them

iron lake
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Chi Yu is a foul creature (but it's cool)

pliant violet
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you need to understand it enables toxtricity to hit for all the damage

iron lake
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It also allows Chi Yu to Hypermurder people
but like, that's cool and based

pliant violet
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so true

round perch
umbral hound
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Given the (too-strong) existence of Gorilla Tactics, I think it'd be neat if there was a pokemon with the opposite sort of effect, where their ability gave them some sort of benefit but stopped them from using the same move consecutively.

languid lichen
#

gigaton hammer and blood moon

#

might also be something else that I'm forgetting, but definitely those two

umbral hound
#

Yeah, but that just prevents them using that specific move consecutively (and yeah, it's just those two).

languid lichen
#

hyper beam but really good instead of bad

umbral hound
#

I mean a mon under constant Torment.

#

...reminds me of some of the pokemon content I came up with, some of which is either poorly designed, or designed in a way which feels realistic but also unusably bad. (Note that I haven't figured out numbers for any of the moves.)

manic kindle
#

Gorilla Tactics + Choice Scarf is a classic, loved that in early Sword Shield online events

pliant violet
#

@covert saffron

covert saffron
#

why can’t i pin shit in the forum i created smh

covert saffron
#

remember folks

#

the best defence

#

is aerodactyl

red rampart
red rampart
pliant violet
#

ogrepon yeah

red rampart
#

Oh god it’s so cute

pliant violet
#

that's but one ogrepon face

red rampart
umbral hound
#

More of a shawl, really?

red rampart
#

Still cute

umbral hound
#

Oh, absolutely.

red rampart
#

Whenever I get around to getting violet I need to get one of these things

manic kindle
#

Fun fact: she has a set nature

#

Shes locked into a Lonely Nature

#

Her legendary storyline is fun and it helps that ogrepon is Real Good

red rampart
#

How real good?

manic kindle
#

Ogerpon has something like an 18% usage rate in the current vgc era

#

8th most used pokemon

#

she beats up Urshifu :)

south laurel
#

Wellspring Ogrepon is also in OU

#

And OU is pretty crazy these days

manic kindle
#

Yeah

#

I can only speak for vgc, but Ogerpon is one of those "you need a good reason not to use her" team slots

red rampart
#

Apparently the fire one is in ubers
…also for some reason all of the smogon sets are giving her natures that aren’t lonely, which is odd

#

Oh wait right mints are a thing now, I forgot

manic kindle
#

yeah, the locked natures thing is mostly for like... story purposes

#

which is something i hope they continue exploring

pliant violet
red rampart
#

I'm seeing a slight issue with wanting something from the dlc

#

(I forgot they made pokemon games $60 for a second there)

pliant violet
#

35 for two dlcs that’re decently chunky

#

But fair

pliant violet
#

idk if anyone else plays pokemon unite but falinks and miraidon are coming to the public test server

soft isleBOT
#

does Unite still have a playerbase? We just assumed the game was dead

manic kindle
#

Its very active

#

Has a lot of competition at the Master+ rank, and a fair number of content creators like Spragles

pliant violet
#

And me

manic kindle
#

and reggie!

pliant violet
#

Though I mostly play till I get masters in a season or when a new Pokémon drops

#

Next season is introducing draft at masters

manic kindle
#

yeah that'll be wild

pliant violet
#

I’m keen

manic kindle
#

I mostly play a lot of Slowbro/Decidueye/mamoswine

pliant violet
#

I just hit masters for this season today

#

Playing dragapult dodrio and hoopa

manic kindle
#

dodrio is so funny

pliant violet
#

Mostly hoopa

#

I love dodrio

#

Shame they nerfed drill peck

soft isleBOT
#

we looked at the roster and now we're kind of tempted to try it out

pliant violet
#

I’m not convinced that game is good but I do play it

manic kindle
#

i only play with friends

#

There is a... afk/feeder problem more often than I'd like

pliant violet
#

I play till I lose like once then I stop

#

There’s also absolutely an issue of no one wants to play support

#

But a good support or defender basically ensures you win the game

soft isleBOT
#

well we've got great news on that point, we're support mains in League and Dota lol

pliant violet
#

Supports are almost universally cracked Millie

manic kindle
#

yeah, babysitting a carry is a super winning strat in unite

pliant violet
#

Hoopa has the “get everyone to a team fight and back into a team fight faster”

#

Supports are also best in coordinated play where you can trust your carries to not suck

manic kindle
#

Hoopa's great for the big objectives

#

and Unite is all about those big objectives

pliant violet
#

Yeah

#

Rotate bottom for first Regi then rotate top then prioritise top but get bottom if you can

#

reliable leaker

#

i'm so keen

#

this is the coolest design they've done

manic kindle
#

love the score animation

pliant violet
#

just a tower o guys

#

sorry to bring in a bunch of slightly off topic stuff

#

just excited

manic kindle
#

lmao the little No Retreat moonwalk

pliant violet
#

I expect some animations to be jank on the pts

manic kindle
#

doing the cha cha slide with my boys falinks

pliant violet
#

Falink up with the boys and we slidin through

#

miraidon looks like a monster but legends have been so far

covert saffron
pliant violet
#

harry ngl i have no idea whether i stole that from some pokemon rap

covert saffron
#

get him he’s ciphering

pliant violet
#

oh shit he knows

covert saffron
#

bro i was there for TM87

pliant violet
#

it's unclear which you mean

round perch
#
pliant violet
#

Nemona works too well on Azucena

manic kindle
#

thats what it feels like when nemona pops up

red rampart
#

I have been informed that shiny toucannon looks like the bi flag

#

I am about to do something extremely ill advised and spend 50 years trying to get one

pliant violet
#

yes

red rampart
#

The good news is that USUM gives me a more reliable way of finding one
The bad news is that it's still a 1/315 chance

pliant violet
#

do you know why this is?

red rampart
#

🤷‍♀️

pliant violet
#

that's what toucan beaks look like in heat cameras

red rampart
#

Oooh cool 👀

#

Toucans are bi icons 😌

pliant violet
#

bicons

#

it's right there

red rampart
#

Bicorns

red rampart
#

Well that was fast

#

Nature sucks but meh

manic kindle
#

Birb!!

#

I still think 'pikipek' is an amazing birb name

covert saffron
round perch
#

Okay, Poke peeps

#

I was wondering, where do you guys want to see Pokémon innovate?

snow cobalt
#

wassup

#

Oh

#

Uhhhhhh no idea

#

Since recent additions to combat (z-moves, dynamax) have only stuck around for like... a single generation I'm less likely to see Pokemon as something constantly building on itself in general

manic kindle
#

Something some romhacks have I think main series could enjoy would be Missions / sidequest log.

round perch
#

Was watching a Lockstin video and he mentioned the lack of innovation and I was just wondering what people actually want. At least from within the community.

manic kindle
#

I also really want more fun spinoffs

round perch
#

Oh! Yeah!

manic kindle
#

Wheres my animal crossing pokemon game

#

Otherwise i kinda love Pokemon for being Pokemon

#

The formula works

#

Id love another Legends or even a modern take on Conquest again

snow cobalt
red rampart
manic kindle
snow cobalt
#

a pokemon harvest moon would kill

#

the people are ready

round perch
#

Pokemon definitely needs more spin offs yes.

manic kindle
#

I want this

round perch
#

Maybe they could be a buffer between main line releases.

snow cobalt
#

I think i'm at the point where I'm more interested in spin-offs than main series

manic kindle
#

Mostly i remember having good times with games like Pokemon Channel

#

Need more weird ones

round perch
#

I do want Pokémon Palworld

manic kindle
#

The forbidden word

snow cobalt
#

Pokemon Conquest and Pokemon Mystery Dungeon have the shared appeal of "little dudes on a grid"

manic kindle
#

Little dudes on a grid!!

#

Conquest had a neat bonding system and even neater scenario system

snow cobalt
#

like. idk give us something like Detective Pikachu where it's a completely different genre but in the world of Pokemon

#

VNs. with Pokemon in the backgrounds and character portraits

round perch
#

Like a actiony pokemon game with farming stuff and more wilderness exploration would be neat.

manic kindle
#

Pokemon VN is genius actually

#

I should write one

snow cobalt
#

You should!!

snow cobalt
round perch
#

I definitely think a pokemon game could focus on exploration and like... getting equipment and still be turn based.

pliant violet
#

i don't really need pokemon to innovate

round perch
#

Yeah that's kinda the feeling I have. I just want more spin offs. And maybe a game with a more fleshed out story and region.

pliant violet
#

oh i'd like they to stick with a gimmick and i like teras as a gimmick

round perch
#

Yeah

#

I kinda liked SUMO because they let you have yout pick of all the gimmicks so far

languid lichen
#

all two

#

the only good one and the First Warning

pliant violet
#

i didn't think megas were good

#

well that's untrue

#

i did but now i don't

#

their selection for megas was all wrong

round perch
#

I would want megas to come back. But I would want all mons to have access to a generic version of it.

manic kindle
#

Just not feasible unless you really limited the dex

pliant violet
#

they gave megas to a bunch of pokemon that were already good mostly

manic kindle
#

Which people Do Not Like

pliant violet
#

at least with teras the right tera type can do a lot for a pokemon

#

if their type is what's limiting them

manic kindle
#

Arguably dynamax is mega 4 everyone

red rampart
#

I was about to say yeah, dynamax basically seemed like them doing megas but giving them to everything

round perch
#

I mean generic as in like... a stat boost. While others mons get the actual form changes. Yeah! Kinda like dynamic

snow cobalt
#

i think Pokemon should remind everyone that it's an RPG. no gyms, linear story, fight your dad who's turned into a seven winged angel

manic kindle
#

Thats just the end of Legends Arceus

snow cobalt
#

send out like four mons at once in two rows

snow cobalt
manic kindle
#

I am joking mostly but it does have a multiphase fight vs satan

pliant violet
#

if they were to switch shit up

#

more double battles

#

that's something i'd like them to do

round perch
#

I guess if you want a party you could do something like Persona. Where you can switch mons, but your party have a set partner.

manic kindle
#

Colleseum's double gimmick was fun

pliant violet
#

there's a reason Raihan is beloved

#

and it's not just his vibe

round perch
#

His vibes are great.

red rampart
#

Doubles would also make a lot of pokemon that aren't meant for singles better in a normal playthrough

round perch
#

I want a game that does feel like you're traveling a bit more. Maybe go in more on the camping mechanics.

pliant violet
#

and it doesn't have to be the whole game

#

just more doubles

manic kindle
round perch
#

Having all gyms be doubles would be nice

pliant violet
#

also limiting you to the number of pokemon the gym leader has would be fun but that's a me thing

#

i wouldn't even go that far like 3 of 8 being doubles

round perch
#

I think scaling gym leaders would help as well.

manic kindle
#

Yeah again Pokemon Colleseum But Again would rule for a doubles focus

snow cobalt
round perch
#

Yes

pliant violet
#

ScVi had it weird with scaling gyms cause you could pick the order but if it scaled off badges you could still demolish shit due to the other storylines

red rampart
#

Hm?

round perch
#

I think they should have tied some progress in the other stories into each other.

manic kindle
#

Gyms, Big Pokemon, and Villain Team stories, which all converge into The Finale

round perch
#

Like having a group of objectives for a "chapter" and you can handle them in any order.

round perch
#

That's only if they really don't want to make gyms scale.

snow cobalt
#

I have mixed feelings about scaling gyms because I see the appeal of picking the order you take them, but if they scale based on average level of your party or whatever, that means you can't challenge yourself by bringing in a party at a too-low level, or get past one by training to a higher level first

manic kindle
#

They all scale, but within their own storylines

pliant violet
#

no none of them scale

red rampart
#

Oh okay

pliant violet
snow cobalt
#

Yeah that could work

round perch
red rampart
#

So you do one stage of each storyline at a time to keep them on level?

pliant violet
#

the problem with scaling gyms is simply availability of certain types

pliant violet
red rampart
#

I see

pliant violet
#

8 gyms five hideouts six big pokemon

manic kindle
#

If you do ScarVi in "intended route order" it does line up and work out level wise

#

It is open world but they do give you a lot of guide posts on where to go

pliant violet
#

yeah but the logic of that doesn't flow super well to me

red rampart
#

How well sign posted is the "intended order"?

pliant violet
#

it's route order

manic kindle
pliant violet
#

also that

red rampart
#

Ah okay neat

manic kindle
#

"Hey lil buddy meet me by the cliffs soon" stuff

snow cobalt
#

next main series Pokemon game should be Pokemon Snap 3

manic kindle
#

The switch Snap was beautiful

pliant violet
#

the first gym is on the opposite side of a city to the next location

round perch
#

I forgot what he said, but I remember Jello having a good idea for this.

pliant violet
red rampart
#

Okay so unless I'm even more unobservant than usual I should be fine then

round perch
#

Oh!

snow cobalt
pliant violet
#

here's a labelled guide rose

round perch
#

I feel like gym leaders having an optional hard mode would be a good alternative as well.

pliant violet
#

as in faces and locations and order

#

doesn't tell you anymore than that

red rampart
#

Got it, thank you!

manic kindle
#

The cool news is that all 18 types are represented

pliant violet
#

only if you include elite four but yes

manic kindle
#

Ye i count them

pliant violet
#

what's double repped

round perch
#

I feel like having optional challenges and stuff would be fun for those wanting harder battles in the story.

#

Like maybe you can have sassy replies to the villains that trigger more challenging battles. But have it be highlighted as hard.

manic kindle
red rampart
#

Unrelated, playing USUM and forgot that Kukui more or less just goes "you see that huge mountain over there? The one that's sacred to us? I'm building a pokemon league there!"

round perch
#

I hope they do more totem pokemon like fights.

#

Kukui is so much fun!

pliant violet
#

the herba are sorta like that but more similar to raids

red rampart
red rampart
manic kindle
#

Big squiddie

round perch
#

I think I vibe with SUMO a lot

red rampart
#

Other USUM thing: I forgot that you can just get choice specs like halfway through the game and you don't even need to go to a battle facility or anything, some guy just gives them to you after you beat him in a battle

snow cobalt
#

that's so funny

#

why does he do that

red rampart
#

🤷‍♀️

#

He's just a random veteran with a sliggoo, shelgon, and gabite

#

This doesn't happen for band or scarf either, just specs

manic kindle
#

You Need Glasses

near flower
#

im in the same boat as everyone else regarding innovation in pokemon: it doesnt really need it it just needs to build on the ideas it comes up with each gen instead of tossing them aside once the new games come around
and that all the gimmicks from previous gens should all come back. yes even dynamax even though i dislike it conceptually. and they should give new megas/special z-moves/gigantamax (i think thats the special dynamax thing anyway) to pokemon that need it in the hypothetical 'they do that' situation
(and they should make feraligatr op)

pliant violet
#

they buffed a bunch of starters when they put them in scarlet and violet

near flower
#

(im still 10 years old at heart and want my fave to get preferential treatment)
i also agree with the more spinoffs sentiment, and id specifically like to see another pokemon rangers game, because i always thought those games were super cool (i should pick up a copy of almia sometime since its the only one i havent played)

pliant violet
#

i'm this worlds only pokemon unite supporter

#

it's a good spinoff

#

they do a good job of capturing what the pokemon feel like

near flower
#

i wont rest until feraligatr is in OU (<guy who barely knows competitive)
if unite gets gator maybe ill consider playing it (<guy who didnt buy SWSH specifically because feraligatr line wasnt in it at launch)

pliant violet
#

you know what i can respect the loyalty

#

i specifically picked it up on launch cause it had garchomp even though chomp was bad

#

one tricked that unmeta dragon to masters

near flower
#

im seriously considering spending the dosh to get every single feraligatr line pokemon card that was ever released once i get a stable job
and then framing them
i love my gator

pliant violet
#

i know someone who bought every shroomish card

near flower
#

RESPECT! shroomish is a delightful little guy
love its |:< face
fuecoco was like 50% of the reason i ultimately wound up picking up ScarVio because it reminded me of totodile and i like all the gator pokemon (the other 50% was that all my friends were like 'the characters are kinda crazy good')

#

wait another thing they need to do is add more fossil pokemon
i fucking love fossil pokemon

#

i still think it was such a power move of the designers to not add a t-rex or sauropod fossilmon until gen fucking six and instead doing weird deep cuts like anomalocaris
and even more respect for them picking amaurgasaurus as their sauropod basis

pliant violet
#

and cause tyrunt is adorable

covert saffron
#

shroomish |:<

languid lichen
#

I wish any of them were good

pliant violet
#

tyrunt is the core of any little cup team i build

languid lichen
#

tyrunt is the goat

#

little scrungly

#

love tyrantrum

torpid escarp
#

i am this world's only amaura user (the typing is Bad)

manic kindle
#

aurora veil fun

pliant violet
#

it has refrigerate

#

and ice is not awful stab

south laurel
#

Personally I’m a big Alolatails fan

#

For aurora veil

manic kindle
#

They're neat, but Amaura's fun claim to fame is being the only one to do it initially

pliant violet
#

i like tyrunt more than tyrantrum because strong jaw is a lot more useful an ability when the bites are better

#

i.e when you're weaker

manic kindle
#

nomnomnom

torpid escarp
#

ice is a good offensive stab and rock is a decent coverage type (hitting fire types is especially nice), but the combined defensive typing is just... so painful

pliant violet
#

being four times weak to one of the most common coverage types is yeah

#

might be good with a tera type though

torpid escarp
#

oh for sure

#

i could run it the same way i run my a-ninetales

#

ground tera basically negates most of its weaknesses

pliant violet
#

and you still keep your good offensive stab

south laurel
#

Having not played SV, could someone explain Tera to me?

#

Like the specifics

#

You can keep your old type’s STAB?

pliant violet
#

you change your type to another type gaining it's defensive attributes and stab but keeping stab from your original type/types

#

but if you pick a type you already had

#

it's extra

south laurel
#

Ah. And it triggers at start of turn?

#

One use per battle?

pliant violet
#

yep and you keep it if you switch out

manic kindle
#

like a mega evo

south laurel
#

Got it

pliant violet
#

i think it's a great mechanic tbh

#

oh there's also Stellar

#

which is a type you can only have when tera

#

stellar is neutral on everything but super effective on tera'd pokemon though there's only one move most pokemon can get that'd be stellar type

#

and you get stab on each type of move the first time you use it

manic kindle
#

its a lot more niche in applications

pliant violet
#

it's bad

#

it's probably the worst type to tera into

#

except for one specific pokemon that can only be stellar tera

pliant violet
#

and it uses your better attacking stat if memory serves

pliant violet
torpid escarp
#

it used to be the best source of physical ghost stab for dragapult

#

and then the dlc gave us poltergeist 🙏

pliant violet
#

are you also a dragapult lover

#

pretty sure it can't learn poltergeist though

torpid escarp
#

i am a dragapult lover

pliant violet
#

you are my ally

#

dragon darts is the funniest move

torpid escarp
#

i love to shoot my kids out of my head

soft isleBOT
#

Dragapult our beloved 🤝

pliant violet
#

even aside from the thematics

#

i think the mechanics are funny

torpid escarp
#

also, you're right, dragapult doesn't learn poltergeist

#

billions must perish

pliant violet
#

tru

manic kindle
#

Mixed attacking drag is scary

pliant violet
#

even not mixed it's not like ghost is the best attacking type

torpid escarp
#

yeah

#

effective into two types, one of which is itself
immune to two types
resistant to two types

#

it's much more interesting defensively than offensively

pliant violet
#

exactly

#

like extra stab is never a bad thing

south laurel
#

Ghost is pretty good as a second type for a lot of things because so little resists it

#

But dragon is also in that same group as ghost

pliant violet
#

ghost gets you a couple immunities at least

manic kindle
#

Tera Ghost is nice to dodge fake out in vgc/doubles

#

And fighting stab

torpid escarp
#

yeah

#

tera ghost garganacl is real

pliant violet
#

dodging fakeout is legit

torpid escarp
#

it will block your rapid spin

#

you WILL get spiked and you WILL get stealth rocked and you WILL get salt cured

pliant violet
#

hazards are that big in doubles

torpid escarp
pliant violet
#

oh sorry

torpid escarp
#

anyways

#

tbh i have very little vgc/doubles experience outside of Indigo Disk

red rampart
torpid escarp
#

most of my experience regarding hazards is in singles, where they're... pretty meta dominating rn

#

and probably will be until hazard clear other than rapid spin, mortal spin, and defog exists

#

since all three of those are blocked by string cheese tony hawk

pliant violet
#

it's always weather or hazards

manic kindle
#

you see a lot of weather in vgc, no hazards unless its just a side effect of something happening

snow cobalt
pliant violet
#

Masters EX

snow cobalt
#

rad

pliant violet
#

It’s a weird gacha game thing

trail bridge
#

TOXAPEX NOOOOO

#

😭

pliant violet
#

No scald really hurts it

near flower
pliant violet
#

Minior drop is the real crime

soft isleBOT
#

Zoroark 😦

red rampart
#

Araquanid 😭

#

...also wait what was regigigas doing outside of pu?

pliant violet
#

i blame malamar

red rampart
#

Wait how

pliant violet
#

i dunno it's just usually a safe bet

mellow robin
#

Alolamola stays winning!

torpid escarp
#

when in doubt

#

it's malamar's fault

pliant violet
#

so true

snow cobalt
#

the nefarious cuttlefish

pliant violet
#

no creature should have contrary

torpid escarp
#

contrary superpower time

red rampart
pliant violet
#

no

#

cruel creature has leaf storm

torpid escarp
#

the cruel creature deserves draco meteor as well

pliant violet
#

you are villains

red rampart
pliant violet
#

i think all the gen v starters look silly sorry

torpid escarp
#

serperior i love you

soft isleBOT
#

we remember when gen 5 was first revealing its starters and everyone on the internet called Snivy "Smugleaf"

#

👵

red rampart
#

Very good name tbh

soft isleBOT
#

I know right?

pliant violet
#

i'm sorry just none of them appeal to me

soft isleBOT
#

yeahh gens 4 and 5 were kind of weak on the starters

#

it's still hard to believe they went three gens in a row with a fire/fighting final stage starter

pliant violet
#

i actually like all the sinnoh starters

#

particularly Torterra

soft isleBOT
#

Torterra's great, the others are 👎

pliant violet
#

eh i'm not that extreme

#

and i do love a sun wukong reference

vernal rapids
#

I disliked torterra initially because its whole deal is basically a redo of bulbasaur but now I like it a lot

soft isleBOT
#

Samurott and Serperior we liked quite a bit though

#

fun fact: the early fandom name for Oshawott was "Wotter"

#

sadly we don't remember what everybody called the pig

vernal rapids
#

pignite is a better name than it actually has

azure crane
#

I think it was "Piglit".

vernal rapids
#

that was it, pignite is what it actually uses 😅

torpid escarp
#

i'm a gen 3 girly, love me swampert

soft isleBOT
#

the gen 2 and 3 starters were excellent

#

we do in fact liek mudkipz

torpid escarp
#

it's true!

pliant violet
#

i'm trying to think what gen has the most hits for me

#

honestly might be 6 or 7

soft isleBOT
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gen 6 and 7 had great starters

torpid escarp
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6 and 7 are both really solid

soft isleBOT
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we're kind of partial to 6 over 7 but not by much

torpid escarp
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i do wish delphox was fire/fairy, but it's such a cool mon regardless that i can let it slide

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chesnaught's my girl though

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luv me chesnaught

vernal rapids
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im very partial to gen 5 purely on the basis of it being the time someone at Game Freak woke up and said "wait a minute... what if bug pokemon... were good?"

pliant violet
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making it fairy would make sense for introduction of fairy type

soft isleBOT
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we started greninja in 6 but would've been happy with any of them tbh

pliant violet
vernal rapids
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also the "we basically didn't have any of the older pokemon in it for much of the game" is good

snow cobalt
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Yeah I wish there was more opportunities for that

soft isleBOT
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gen 9 has really good starters tbh

pliant violet
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yeah it's up there

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millie which is my favourite

soft isleBOT
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of the gen 9 starters?

pliant violet
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yes

soft isleBOT
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tossup between Fuecoco and Quaxly's final stages, slightly leaning towards Quaxly's final stage

red rampart
pliant violet
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Fuecoco

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Skeledirge is very funny

soft isleBOT
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Volcarona 💙

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Skeledirge is such a good design

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take a guess at our favorite PLA starter

pliant violet
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hisuian typhlosion

soft isleBOT
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ding ding ding we have a winner

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all of the PLA starters fuck but Typhlosion is our favorite starter across every gen

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so ofc we get Hisuian Typhlosion

pliant violet
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i think i like the decideuye more there

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but typhlosion is my top starter

red rampart
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Wish Larvesta didn't take 59 levels to evolve but at least you can get the relic castle volcarona in b2w2

soft isleBOT
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that was always so bizarre to us

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is that the winner for "highest required level to hit final stage"?

red rampart
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My favorite starter is definitely turtwig, he's just a cute little guy I love him

manic kindle
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I love all my starters

red rampart
pliant violet
soft isleBOT
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holy shit it's 64??

red rampart
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Yep!

soft isleBOT
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what in the world were they thinking when they made that decision

pliant violet
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yeah it sucks

vernal rapids
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that said it's actually quite a small gap

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because Zweilous is 50 clueless

pliant violet
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it's not the middle stage long yeah

red rampart
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The unova dex has a lot of pokemon that inexplicably take forever to evolve

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Like meinfoo takes 50 levels to evolve into meinshao

pliant violet
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wait really?

soft isleBOT
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that's bizarre

pliant violet
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that explains why meinfoo has such good stats

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king of little cup

soft isleBOT
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the game's level curve isn't designed to support evo levels that high

red rampart
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This is also why I have never used meinfoo before

manic kindle
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I think the idea was that it is kinda silly to finish evolving at 36 and still have 60+ levels to go

But the level curve for base b/w juuuust doesn't quite get you there

soft isleBOT
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shoutout to Indigo Disk for having fights in the 80s

manic kindle
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Some hacks of b/w with higher level curves but no additional pokemon feel very good cuz of this

soft isleBOT
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the level curve is actually one of our biggest criticisms of the franchise

pliant violet
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indigo disc is top tier postgame

vernal rapids
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when you start looking into how pokemon level you start getting a bunch of bizarre decisions not just in terms of evolution levels but also which moves are available when
competitive players know the pain of pokemon with shallow movepools but don't so often need to contend with the fact that you don't even get half of those moves for forever

soft isleBOT
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you finish the E4 and you're like "welp how am I gonna hit 100?" and it turns out you just do the same mid-60 E4 fights for a hundred hours

red rampart
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Jellicent takes until level 40, lampent is level 41, beheeyem is 42...

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I will say at least for hydreigon it's a pseudo legendary and those always take forever to fully evolve

manic kindle
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I do think "hitting level 100" just isn't a consideration that takes any priority

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Its just a side goal at best for some players

snow cobalt
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yeah I don't think the devs are thinking about that one

manic kindle
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But i do like that ending team levels have steadily increased

pliant violet
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you know what i dislike

manic kindle
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Is it me

pliant violet
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weird evo conditions particularly trade evos

soft isleBOT
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Trade evos are the worst

snow cobalt
red rampart
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Braviary's hidden ability is very good though

pliant violet
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what's it's hidden

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the bad one

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is it hustle

red rampart
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It's weak armor

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On a pokemon with stats like this

pliant violet
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i was about to say weak armour rules

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it's what makes armarouge good

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i'm sorry for thinking this

red rampart
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Braviary's hidden ability is defiant

pliant violet
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oh much better

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hidden abilities are another thing that annoys me

vernal rapids
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im afraid that the stupider the evolution condition the more I like it

manic kindle
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Runegrigras my beloved

pliant violet
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runerigas lover detected

red rampart
vernal rapids
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trading ones I am not attached to because I think they should stop selling two copies of the same game

pliant violet
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fuck murdoc knew

red rampart
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What's runerigas's evo condition?

manic kindle
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I really like trading as a concept for getting folks connected but i also think there should just be a Trade Stone or smth

vernal rapids
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you must walk under a certain bridge while having taken a certain amount of damage through battle

manic kindle
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Trading was soooooo cool and hype before wifi

red rampart
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wat

vernal rapids
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the animations of pokemon physically travelling through link cables were much cuter than tossing them really high into the cloud

snow cobalt
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go through the bridge

red rampart
manic kindle
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Its great

soft isleBOT
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the fuck

manic kindle
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The Arceus Legends evos rule too

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Basculegion has this fun one

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It evolves from White-Striped Basculin when leveled up after losing at least 294 HP from recoil damage without fainting.

vernal rapids
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"turn your ds upside down" is peak but now we're back to everything being malamar's fault

pliant violet
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fuck malamar

snow cobalt
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How does Malamar evolve now

pliant violet
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kingambit is another annoying one

soft isleBOT
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you turn your TV upside-down

pliant violet
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or for us

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we turn it right way up

manic kindle
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Aussie strats

red rampart
manic kindle
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Finizen silly

snow cobalt
red rampart
manic kindle
vernal rapids
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thats how you clot it

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makes perfect sense

red rampart
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Wait so there are apparently 7 sweets which means there are 63 possible alcremi- OH GOD WHAT ABOUT SHINIES

manic kindle
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YEP

vernal rapids
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summoning meloetta in SV is actually pretty similar to evolving alcermie

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look its really nobody's fault for ever believing that there might really be a Mew under that truck

red rampart
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Oh god it's so cute I love it!

manic kindle
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Its got a very cool move

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Decorate raises the target's Attack and Special Attack stats by two stages each. Unlike most moves, it bypasses moves like Protect, Detect, and even Max Guard to affect the target but is blocked by Crafty Shield. It cannot affect a target that has a substitute or in the semi-invulnerable turn of a move.

pliant violet
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oh right fuck gimmighoul

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pita to evolve

red rampart
vernal rapids
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i dont like gimmighoul but thats mostly just because i dont think its a very good mimic pokemon 😔
cheese string surfer dude is funny though

pliant violet
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huh i didn't know this

manic kindle
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Cowabunga

pliant violet
manic kindle
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Npc hints

red rampart
pliant violet
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not only use

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just have it

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forever

pliant violet
red rampart
covert saffron
covert saffron
pliant violet
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i love that they took kommo-o's unique z move and scaled it down and made it a signatue move

red rampart
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Clangorous Soul raises the user's Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense and Speed by one stage each, at the cost of 1/3 of its maximum HP.
Okay that seems good sweating

pliant violet
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seems like more gen 9 pokemon than average have signature moves

snow cobalt
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clangorous

covert saffron
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i’ll put myself in the jail don’t worry

vernal rapids
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the more you can do to make pokemon lines unique the better, generally

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got their work cut out by having 1000 of the things though

covert saffron
torpid escarp
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unique moves bother me solely because i always want them on other pokemon

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i want my toxicroak to learn mortal spin.

vernal rapids
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although it's also kind of hard to come up with unique things at this point

covert saffron
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they still do tho

vernal rapids
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tends to be nowadays when you see a list of added moves its like "oh neat a fire-type sucker punch"

pliant violet
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i mean you still do see some neat shit

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dragon darts was added last gen

vernal rapids
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oh yeah for sure I am not saying it is impossible, just hard

pliant violet
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for sure yeah

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but they manage it

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and tbh slightly different other move is still enough to get some hype in me

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signature abilities are definitely where they get weirder

manic kindle
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Pew pew

pliant violet
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journeys was overwhelmingly well animated

south laurel
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Holy shit that’s incredible

pliant violet
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yeah journeys is good and the new one is too

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obviously less cool but the dragapult vs flygon fight is a climactic thing to show how good leon is

verbal shoal
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new show is dope asf

devout ledge
red rampart
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Is that just what double team looks like in universe?

devout ledge
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Oh is it just ONE pika?

red rampart
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It seems to start out as just one at least 🤷‍♀️

umbral hound
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I just remembered, and cannot fully get over, the Ethical Sushi Pokemon.

red rampart
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The what

manic kindle
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Tatsugiri?

south laurel
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Ethical Sushi Dragon

languid lichen
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that and also veluza

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which fillets itself to go fast

umbral hound
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Veluza, yeah.

red rampart
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Terrifying

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Also it looks very happy

manic kindle
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he's fun

covert saffron
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pointy

covert saffron
pliant violet
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maushold

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they just wanna know if you've got any games on your phone