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#Battletech/Mech Warrior
urban shell
Personally I like having firepower and the ability to force a fight if I need to
And you definitely can get very good with heavies
Did you just start playing?
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Did you just start playing?
a couple days ago basically
but I'm pretty experienced with MechWarrior
urban shell
Huh, thats p good tbph
As your tier increases you will eventually start getting matched with better players so watch for that
urban shell
not that much better unfortunately
But generally you seem to be making reasonable decisions and your builds are surprisingly good
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ye
urban shell
max torso armor, not huge amounts of rear armor etc
I usually only put 5 points, many drop to 1-3 points
urban shell
You would be amazed what some folks run
urban shell
I'm in tier 4 rn
Tier gets matchmade +/- 2 unless MM is taking a while so T3 is usually the wall because thats where you get matched into T1 and also games are very inconsistent because you get the full spread
Matches are noticeably stompier recently so don't lose hope and also tier doesn't really mean anything so don't think about it too hard
Functionally what tier 1 means is that your matchmaking time is worse than T5
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Matches are noticeably stompier recently so don't lose hope and also tier doesn'...
well with the right plays I can absolutely eviscerate enemy mechs so
as long as I'm killing the enemy I think of myself doing well, even if I lose
urban shell
That was more meant as a prophylactic for once you get to T3
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oh
I'll probably be fine
I just need the right team cohesion
for instance in this match we coordinated to form a killbox
we were in a funnel looking out to an open field, thus could control how many enemies we exposed ourselves to
let us fucking tear their assaults apart as they started aggressing
the final guy was the MAD-4L
built to be a sniper
I chased it down with my Marauder buddy by minimizing angles we were exposed
I ultimately got the kill as my Marauder buddy boxed it into a brawl
let me stand on the sidelines and take the kill
6 medium pulses hurt as it turns out
damn yeah I'm getting stomped even in T4
but I think we'd were outnumbered on assaults
they had more than our team
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for the record theoretically a light can perform as well as an assault since each costs the team one player
Actually not even theoretically it happens with regularity
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yeah it's just
blegh
it feels bad being outnumbered by big stompies so they just walk through
urban shell
Yup
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oh hey we have a coordinated lance on our team this time
gonna party up with those guys and murderball
we won
@urban shell I've noticed good players can instantly determine when a mech has an XL engine, how could I do that?
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Guesswork
Certain chassis types will commonly run XL
I.e. king crab, roughneck, some jagermechs
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oh does king crab like not function without xl
urban shell
King crab has a very large CT so the odds that you die to losing a ST are low enough that an XL is usually worth it
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ahh
so it's just worth it anyways
what about stalkers? I just saw a stalker running an XL
urban shell
yeah because a CT loss kills you regardless of engine
Stalkers...should be running LFE or even STD
One of the strengths of the stalker is that the STs are very easily hidden or used as shields due to its airplane fuselage like torso
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I see
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my positioning is slowly getting better
modest kindle
this is my hunchie
it fails me most of the time
my awesome somehow doesn't fail me nearly as often
modest kindle
this is my hunchie
it fails me most of the time
how would any of you guys make this hunchie better ?
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it's decently slow but, the only thing I can think of is generally you want to avoid long range combat with other mechs unsupported
you're pretty fragile
a dual gauss mech will absolutely fuck you over
the way I see this build working is basically as fire support for your assaults and heavies
coordinate with them to dish out your DPS onto select targets
like say if an enemy assault starts brawling your assault, lay into it
assaults are generally keen to fight other assaults and heavies unless there's no good target, then they'll focus you down
@modest kindle
modest kindle
Yeah fair enough it's already what I've been doing
Was just wondering if there is any upgrades that I could do
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I'd wonder if you can do something with AC5s here but I don't think the build is necessarily bad?
what's your frame quirks
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that's a ridiculously silly build
modest kindle
the AC20 seemed worse than the AC/2s
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quirked up right double AC20 is fucking terrifying
my Blight is kitted out for that
but this frame is far too light for double AC20 imo
maybe double AC10?
plus like, idk, machine guns for crit farming
idk
modest kindle
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I'll take a look later
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how low does the ac2 cool down get with max cooldown in the skill tree?
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DPS like that should be decently good
modest kindle
2 damage
810 optimal range
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you can use the on hit cloud and cockpit shake to scare off enemies too
if there's someone you really don't like, just smack them in the cockpit a bunch, they'll find it difficult to counter fire on you and probably give up the angle
modest kindle
I have confused people before due to how short the hunchie is
it can somewhat hide behind things
so basically
no practical upgrades
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no practical upgrades
if you lose the jump jets you might be able to add clan small pulse lasers
or if you find the tonnage somewhere else
that's an extra 10 damage iirc
modest kindle
I could lose the jumpjets
they have been somewhat useful
but not.. immensely useful
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they're nice but I think on this build you can afford to lose them
this isn't a very fast build
jump jets scale with fast builds aggressively
for instance on my timber wolf I'd actually not consider dropping them, they're that useful
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if you lose the jump jets you might be able to add clan small pulse lasers
it was either smalls or micros
I forget what my timby uses
think they're micros
modest kindle
I can fit
C-ER Small laser x2
C-Small Pulse Laser
C-Heavy Medium Laser
if i drop the jumpjets (Not all 3 just individually)
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micro pulse?
modest kindle
ER Micro laser fits 2x
modest kindle
2.4 x2
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oh huh
I'm stupid
but uhhh
4.8 more damage
not bad
should help the DPS
try it out, heat might become a bit of a concern tho
so definitely have a cool shot on hand
modest kindle
interestingly enough
the heat from 2 micro lasers
seems to be roughly the same as the
heavy medium laser
and the damage increase is similar
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I personally use the micro pulses because my timber wolf is a mudfighter
gets into the thick of it
they do good damage
modest kindle
C-Heavy Medium laser is 10 damage
modest kindle
imma check the heat
urban shell
how would any of you guys make this hunchie better ?
Run double uac20
There are better clan AC2 or UAC2 boats and the clan hunchie is both squishy and not super mobile
urban shell
not bad
I would not add micro pulse here because thats a knife fight weapon on a mech outfitted with long range guns so the actual usefulness is pretty low
urban shell
There are better clan AC2 or UAC2 boats and the clan hunchie is both squishy and...
Alternatively run this for UAC8 instead. You dont need a ton of cooling but I still think UAC40 is better
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I need to get used to the concept that a lot of builds aren't like full kinetic lmao, most builds are a mix of kinetic and energy
but I really like kinetic builds
urban shell
Also you really really really really need to be taking armor and structure nodes 100% of the time without exception
urban shell
I need to get used to the concept that a lot of builds aren't like full kinetic ...
No?
There are plenty of pure ballistic builds
That hunchie should be running nothing but autocannons
ACs+PPCs isnt uncommon but you can absolutely get pure ballistic like the SNS-D, sovereign, aksum, etc
urban shell
my awesome somehow doesn't fail me nearly as often
Nitpicks: you can afford to reduce arm and leg armor, I'd reduce rear armor to 5 and move the balance to the front, max out head armor, and swap the ERMLs for a LPPC to turn off ECM
or see if you can take a LFE to fit larger launchers
modest kindle
With a bigger launcher heat was a big concern
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cool shot
cool shot solves all problems
or like, disengaging for a moment to cool off and find a better position if possible
nearly everyone suffers heat downtime
so no biggie if you need to let your mech cool
just be prepared to make up for the missing DPS
modest kindle
Eeeh needing to cool is a biggie
urban shell
With a bigger launcher heat was a big concern
Are you alphaing or firing 3+1?
modest kindle
And not just for DPS reasons
urban shell
And your build should not be heat neutral
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actually loller does firing 6 medium pulse and 2x lb10 generate ghost heat
urban shell
No
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gotcha
urban shell
Why 2xLB10 over 2xAC10?
modest kindle
Are you alphaing or firing 3+1?
The boat fires all launchers
The lasers are on a separate button
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Why 2xLB10 over 2xAC10?
slots
tonnage as well to a degree
I physically can't fit 2xac10 on my Marauder II
urban shell
The boat fires all launchers
The lasers are on a separate button
Ok so your heat issue is because you're eating ghost heat
modest kindle
Ah
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ohhhh I was triggering ghost heat on my Marauder Blight aggressively
fuck
that explains why heat felt so bad
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So firing four basically costs you an extra launcher's worth of heat
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that explains why heat felt so bad
What on earth were you running that actually ghosts on the blight?
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two AC20s
unsure if I want to refit the build
I didn't know the ghost heat timing was half second
urban shell
oh yeah thatll do it
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I was firing them about .2 .3 seconds after each other
since I thought it was simultaneous
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you can swap one for a LB20 but there are better mechs for that build
Nope, half second delay
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yeah I like the build
it's really good at jumpscaring assaults
but I don't know what I wanna do with the mounts
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Dakka would work
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I saw an incredibly silly Blight the other day with twin RAC-5s
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horribly undergunned
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If you want a close range ppfld brawler you can just run 2xHGauss
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what's ppfld?
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Pinpoint frontloaded damage
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ah
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so damage that all goes into one location and a weapon that doesn't have a duration
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So you click, fire 100% of your damage, and can then twist and hide and stuff
Rather than lasers or MRMs or RACs where you need to stay on target
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Alpha isn't everything, the HGauss build is also heatless
modest kindle
hows this look for the hunchie ?
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hows this look for the hunchie ?
Ammo in the legs, DHS in the arms
modest kindle
alrite
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you can afford to lose doubles, you can't afford to lose ammo
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Also if you lose your arms you're down to the head ammo and that goes first
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Oh wait no head ammo goes last whoops
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80 damage if my math is right?
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80 damage assuming no jams
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that's pretty good
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And its fast
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that'll rip the side torso off of any heavy
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well, the armor at least for some of them
or at least make them REALLY fucking regret peeking you or letting you shoot them
urban shell
armor and structure quirks plus skill nodes plus UACs are burst fire so the odds of putting it all into one component are low
But yeah 80 hurts
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armor and structure quirks plus skill nodes plus UACs are burst fire so the odds...
unless you're a king crab, but king crab is suffering
urban shell
Yup
modest kindle
and what did you say about the AWS-8R ?
urban shell
Drop rear armor to 5 and move the balance to the front and fire your LRMs 3+1 rather than alphaing
But also if you're a new player you should not be running LRMs
They encourage bad habits and fall off really badly at higher levels of play
modest kindle
I play for the fun of it
urban shell
And?
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the Bane 3 looks incredibly silly
urban shell
It is
also a decent cLRM platform but very slow and fragile
worse hitboxes than the king crab
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it looks it
personally I'm not too scared of Banes if I get close enough
I just stare at their face
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If you shoot them they die but a well built bane can do 35 DPS before skills
modest kindle
had to move things around a little but
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need more SRM mechs
urban shell
had to move things around a little but
too much rear CT Armor and you can drop the arm armor to half safely
I'd put all the ammo in with the LPPC, CASE that arm, and then strip the other arm to get some tonnage back
Also take a BAP
modest kindle
no artemis ?
urban shell
Oh actually yeah I'd take artemis disregard
Stick with the LRM15s though, I forgot the 8R is quirked for them specifically
modest kindle
ye
would 32 shots be bad ?
frankly I don't think i've ever come close to firing 32 shots
modest kindle
The leg eye
slim cometBOT
In fairness it is a IIC which is a canonical “die gloriously” mech
Kilo ↩️
And awesome are just cool
We like awesomes both in Tabletop and in game
urban shell
would 32 shots be bad ?
I usually run 2k damage worth of ammo
modest kindle
In fairness it is a IIC which is a canonical “die gloriously” mech
I can in that case confirm it has pretty much failed surrounded by enemies from all sides every time
after becoming the target from being annoying with the ACs
The Awesome frankly meets a similar fate when on the losing side
surrounded by people it hit but couldn't quite finish off
modest kindle
yeah
they are decent at softening someone up
or distracting the hell out of them
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LRMs are bad at killing
bad at killing but they help the team eat through the target
modest kindle
@small cloak i FOUND A WAY TO FIT A THIRD LPPC
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oh no
modest kindle
urban shell
it has evolved
This is very badly undergunned
And there are better mechs for 3xLPPC
You're also losing all the medium laser quirks on this raven
Also I'd move all of the head armor to the CT
Oftentimes on lights you don't have the tonnage to fully armor the head and you always absolutely 100% of the time without question want your CT fully armored because if you lose your CT you die
There is no situation where your CT should not be fully armored
Same for your side torsos esp with an XL
If you really want to run LPPCs run this
If you want 3 LPPC the spider is faster, has jump jets, and gets ECM
teal oasis
yeah that raven really wants like
2 large and 2 medium
there isn't much variation you can make on a light mech
spice bane
Isn't there like,a Jenner for lppcs
modest kindle
Think there is
urban shell
Yeah you can run 4xLPPC on the Jenner K
modest kindle
Honestly either I'm not seeing something or the MWO mechlab is really bad for testing
modest kindle
Also honestly I might sell my clan hunchie for an IS hunchie
Cuz the clan announcer annoys me
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Honestly either I'm not seeing something or the MWO mechlab is really bad for te...
The MWO mechlab is pretty clunky, mechdb is faster and easier to use
If you've got free mechbays I wouldn't sell a mech
modest kindle
fair
modest kindle
The MWO mechlab is pretty clunky, mechdb is faster and easier to use
yeah i've been using that to construct but for testing the only method I see is tourmaline desert training ground and checking how long it takes it to kill each mech vs heat
urban shell
Oh that
The dummy mechs are stock builds so they're horrible
What are you trying to test?
urban shell
No as in what characteristic are you trying to test
modest kindle
No as in what characteristic are you trying to test
Ah mostly the things I always wish to test is
Speed
Heat
Damage
Survivability
Practical combat
Those last 2 are tough to test
urban shell
Idk if you'll get any of those in the testing grounds any more than in mechdb
Damage you can just read off the stats and survivability see previous
teal oasis
the differences between MWO and Battletech is that most people will shoot at your torsos
you basically need no head armor (but at least 1 will do), and far lessened rear armor, I'm not suicidal so I still got like at least 10 on those rear in heavy mech, working well in the situation where I got shot in the back which was often
leg armor can be lessened if you need to, and if you got no weapon in arms, put 1 armor there to save up mass
many builds in MWO when compared to Battletech would look overgunned as heck, and in general I think like 1.5 in heat sink (or even less really) should do fine for average build
sometimes you can indeed cool too often, which means you aren't pumping out enough damage
and if you aren't pumping out enough damage, you have to expose yourself and shoot more often
urban shell
you basically need no head armor (but at least 1 will do), and far lessened rear...
eh I disagree a lot of the time head armor is not a bad idea esp on mechs with center mounted cockpits and you will want to drop to <=5 rear armor
and heat management is weird and I largely ignore that number
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the Bushwhacker is pretty good
I just brawled a Marauder to death
poor guy thought he could take me in a fight
urban shell
in eq?
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once I opened his CT I could visibly see him processing "uh shit how do I not die"
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oh theres an event queue going on
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Special rules, 3 or in this case 4x payout
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Are you running the max dps bushie?
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ye
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Yeah the brawl bushie is strong if you can get to range without dying
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you rec speed tweak?
urban shell
I'm not sure how I want to do out my talents
Broadly speaking you want armor and structure 100% of the time without question, range 95% of the time, rest more of a choice
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gotcha
urban shell
Speed tweak is important on slower mechs
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what should I yoink?
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Yoink?
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grab
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Like mechs, skills, ?
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/18wqAexoZATrLo5HgUTakI_35f2b6Aud8VihUp7zDCUw/edit?tab=t.0
ok so this is a decent starting point and CW: horny art
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skill tree
ok so baseline:
armor and structure are autotakes because they make your mech more durable and that is always desirable
range is almost always an autotake because it is the only node besides missile crit that directly increases weapon damage
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timber wolf is just so good
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range is almost always an autotake because it is the only node besides missile c...
u were right, 300m SRMs is great
urban shell
yup
all of your weapons are short range so you'll want speed tweak and range
since you need to close without dying
the missile skill nodes are also a good idea
urban shell
speed tweak reduces the time you spend exposed out of cover
it's a good take on faster mechs
oh right things not to take
torso speed and yaw limits are almost always not worth taking
cap accelerator is bad, I significantly dislike advanced zoom
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speed tweak reduces the time you spend exposed out of cover
fair
urban shell
anticrit is situational
I like seismic because you can use it to look around corners
speed retention is bad, quick ignition is completely worthless
oh right
you know about override?
ok so 100% of the time you will want to override shutdown
if you need to shut down because you pushed your heatbar to kill someone duck into cover then manually shutdown
but the automatic shutdown is minimum a six second stun and that can be very easily fatal under fire
shutdown doesn't increase heat dissipation and it turns off coolshots but it does significantly reduce overheat damage and focuses it in the CT
coolshots are very good btw
I usually run two with max coolshot nodes
it's a significant boost in the moment and coolshots are only 20k cbills on sale
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I'm trying to figure out what I drop for kinetic burst
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what are you running now?
figured it out, laser duration on pulses only reduces .06, which is basically nothing
I can trade that for better agility
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figured it out, laser duration on pulses only reduces .06, which is basically no...
also importantly you're not running a ton of xpulse
urban shell
part of the problem with that particular build is that you're fielding three different weapon sets for the same range so you can't focus your skill-wait what?
are we not talking about the bushwacker?
urban shell
send the build
if you have a meaningful number of lasers I would highly recommend taking duration because duration improves your damage concentration and firerate
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I sent it above earlier somewhere
uhhh
6 clan pulse lasers
4 srm-6 art
the duration barely touches the pulses
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after match
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send me your entire skill build
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duration with 4 laser node is .6 (-.06)
which
isn't a lot
do you still think it's worth?
urban shell
could you send me a screenshot, I don't have MWO open
urban shell
at a minimum swap 4 nodes of heat gen for 4 nodes of range
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urban shell
otherwise that looks pretty reasonable
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done ye
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mwo is getting a pretty spooky balance patch
last echo
Are they making PPCs shoot pumpkins?
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a buncha cannons have gotten massive buffs
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Are they making PPCs shoot pumpkins?
IS Standard PPC:
Reduced heat to 7.0 (from 8.0)
might as well
last echo
Awesome's gonna have its day in the sun again
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look through it
pretty spooky shit
IS LB-10X-AC:
Reduced heat to 1 (from 2)
Reduced cooldown to 2 (from 2.25)
also the RG on the Void Killer got nerfed, again
MRM 10:
Reduced heat to 3.5 (from 4)MRM20:
Reduced heat to 5.5 (from 6)MRM 30:
Reduced heat to 8 (from 9.5)MRM 40:
Reduced heat to 10 (from 11.5)
MRMs look a bit better to run
IS SRMs also got more ammo
which is always nice
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what the fuck did you do to that poor locust
poor thing must struggle to walk upright
😭
urban shell
Are they making PPCs shoot pumpkins?
sweeping balance changes to many weapons
significant buffs to dakka
LAMS is getting a 57% dps boost and is still probably not worth taking
last echo
I'll take all the autocannon buffs I can get
I decided to log in and check my old profile and outside of a nice shiny Stalker I've got all of 10 other inner sphere chassis and between the Centurions, Hunchbacks, and Cataphracts I'll get some good mileage out of buffer ACs
urban shell
LRMs are getting a ~10% velo boost
the sovereign in particular is going to eat really well off of this imo
it runs 5xLB5+supplemental in most builds and an 18% ballistic CD reduction is going to be scary
last echo
I did get a good laugh out of the profile page showing 1220 variants in the lineup as of 2025, along with the annual event just happens to be ending tomorrow so if I get only 100 matches in in the next few hours I get to get the rewards
urban shell
hope you like queuing
last echo
Yeah how are the queue pop times these days?
urban shell
uh
time and PSR dependent
NA prime time usually isn't bad, apparently matchmaking times for T3 and T5 are still tolerable
non-prime time T1 isn't stellar but it's still like <5 min most times
last echo
Granted the last time I played was when ghost heat was introduced the first time and so it's been a minute
urban shell
oh
well, many things have changed
I give out a lot of advice so if you want build critique or w/e feel free to ask
last echo
Yeah I think it was 8v8 at the time and now 12v12 is a thing
urban shell
yeah
it's a hard game to learn but most of the playerbase is actually pretty bad so if you get good you can go really far
dim umbra
poor thing must struggle to walk upright
Not my fault, I FOUND it like this!
urban shell
I'll take all the autocannon buffs I can get
I decided to log in and check my o...
good starting point for builds
since it's otherwise really easy to end up building suboptimally
last echo
Good resource, turns out I wasn't too far off with the budget STK-5M I had laying around with 5 SRM-6 and 4 ML+LL, it's recommending a MRM-40 in there and 4 SRM-6 and 5 MLs
Turns out I'm sitting on 14M c-bills and a couple of spare mech bays so I could make a purchase or two for some decent changes in play style
urban shell
Turns out I'm sitting on 14M c-bills and a couple of spare mech bays so I could ...
Wait for the patch today, every mech is going to be on sale
dim umbra
Gee yuh think?
Oh god, oh god.
I realize what that locust stole.
It's the top turret of a MARAUDER II...
urban shell
Double the DPS but continuous fire instead of alpha
which might not be worth it tbph
slim cometBOT
so that's not just the tube limit getting in the way?
Lollerisms (he/him) ↩️
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@urban shell how do Loyalty mechs work?
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I'm also considering redoing my Blight to make it better
I don't know what weapons to use tho
considering like, UAC/10 even tho jam chance is high
urban shell
I'm also considering redoing my Blight to make it better
What are you currently running?
urban shell
<@175789380412243971> how do Loyalty mechs work?
Loyalty mechs are special variants of a mech with a 30% cbill boost. After 6 months they become buyable for cbills but without the boost
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What are you currently running?
2 AC20 and 2 snub PPC
it's just
too slow
for a burst mech the speed prevents me from peeking
urban shell
Engine?
urban shell
Speed tweak can get you better handling, also the zombie dakka or HGauss builds go up to 54-55 kmh
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would be nice to see some examples ye
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this blight isn't bad
just not getting the damage numbers I want
maybe that's just from bad play tho
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Which blight?
RAC5/AC2, as much as I know you don't like RACs
the damage spread does feel awkward
I'll try the AC5 one
urban shell
RAC windup is the issue
LB5s got huge buffs so theyre a solid choice if you want to farm harder
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the AC5/2 build works
I played incredibly bad but still did good damage
I can drop a cool shot
urban shell
RACs always feel lower DPS than they are on paper
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nah the AC build
urban shell
if you want more DPS swap the AC5s for LB5s
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i'm not using RACs rn ye
but I'll think about the LBs
I have AC2 as a poke tool
LBs probably fuck
urban shell
Losing the damage concentration sucks but LB5s have 1.15s cd instead of AC5 1.5s so that's 30% more dps
urban shell
I have AC2 as a poke tool
Just to check, when you're shooting at someone you are firing everything?
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ye
urban shell
Ok good
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however at super long range I sometimes avoid firing the AC5s as well for ammo conservation
due to falloff
urban shell
imo if you have ammo use it
2k potential is enough that you'll probably not run out by round's end unless you're regularly racking up 1500 damage games
also depends on super long range ig
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fair
hm
I'll just have to see what I prefer more
just got stomped incredibly hard
urgh
the enemy had 3 assaults, we had 1 85 tonner
fucking annoying
urban shell
Fwiw theoretically it shouldn't matter
Since each mech consumes one player
Practically ehhhhhh
And yeah matches are pretty stompy as of late
Not entirely sure why tbph
last echo
Do they still try to match tonnage to tonnage or is it a free for all on walls of LRMs
urban shell
It tries but groups can throw it off
LRMs are kinda bad now
They just got buffed but they're so slow
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we lost cause the team split
our fucking orion refused to fall in and help the fight
we would've won HANDEDLY if he did that
I ate three assaults alive
not bad
even if I walked out of position
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I feel less happy about the 600
I want to be doing significantly more damage than I take
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the enemy team did kinda collapse
urban shell
Yeah sometimes you dont farm hard because the enemy dies too fast
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enemy team folded
urban shell
I want to be doing significantly more damage than I take
fwiw against evenly matched opponents you will be doing about as much damage as you take
just as a matter of mathematics
urban shell
Little chart for the duelist hgr changes
urban shell
And one for hgr vs ac20
twilit iron
I know it's an LRM boat...but that is ***8*** missile slots.
"Mum, can we get a Kintaro?"
"We have a Kintaro at home"
Kintaro at home:
alpine ivy
This melts the mechwarrior
teal oasis
mechwarrior can survive being barbequed a little, it's fine
slim cometBOT
Question for those with more experience playing MWO. What are some good legendary packs for newer players like us? The steam sale has a lot of them at 60% off and we’re thinking of grabbing a couple
urban shell
Question for those with more experience playing MWO. What are some good legendar...
what do you like doing?
The railsharks are broken as hell atm but if you dont like assault snipers that may not be what you want
stoic ether
what do you like doing?
\ well our usual playstyle in 5 trends toward closer range brawling
stoic ether
Have you played MWO?
\ We have yeah
slim cometBOT
Just not as much compared to their other games
But even in MWO we tend to play at closer range
Brawling assaults and heavies
urban shell
the warlord is the best brawler assault in the game atm
2xSnub+ either 2xLB20 or AC20+LB20
War emu is up there as well plus it can be built as not a brawler
slim cometBOT
We heard some decent things about moonwalker as well
Plus it’s a mad cat and we like that family of mechs
urban shell
Moonwalker is distinctly mid nowadays
It doesnt have the juice compared to something like the BSK-M or SR-1
slim cometBOT
Fair enough. Our sources were a year or two old
urban shell
If you like brawlers the Blight can build 2xHGauss but you can do the same on the wemu or warlord
Everything else is more dakka-y and engages at 500m or so
slim cometBOT
current WIP selection?
urban shell
dreadnought is mid, moonwalker is also mid, S7 pack doesn't contain anything particularly good but its otherwise good value
if you want a brawler I highly recommend the Warlord because it's the best brawler in the game rn
if you want Clan dakka, which it seems like you do given the moonwalker, get the Sovereign because it's just better
slim cometBOT
That's fair but if we're being honest we don't like the atlas just...on principle
like we don't doubt the warlord is a really good mech in game
urban shell
you have better brawl options that aren't legends
and even for legends I think the war emu is better than the dreadnought
more flexible in terms of build options, significantly better quirks, better hitboxes and mounts
similarly the moonwalker doesn't do anything that a SR-1 or Sovereign doesn't do better
slim cometBOT
sovereign is not appearing in steam for us for some reason
urban shell
slim cometBOT
yeah we had to use a search engine to find it since our steam is slightly borked atm and it's showing packs twice and some not at all
urban shell
yeah it wasn't showing up for me iether
but the sov with the B-A arm pods gets -17.5 ballistic CD which combined with a big pile of LB5s results in very very high DPS while still having good durability
the dire wolf widowmaker 6xLB5 edges it out slightly but lacks JJs and also requires the purchase of a $20 pack and doesn't have the -20% spread quirk
as far as the S7 pack the standouts imo are the dao breaker and street cleaner
dao breaker can run 3xBLC/5xLL and is a solid laserboat, street cleaner has a higher engine cap than most urbies and runs 2xSnub well
the kraken's a pretty good brawler since atlas but if you don't like atlases that's kinda moot
I find the griffin and firestarter thoroughly meh
the revenant brawls okay but it's nothing to write home about
slim cometBOT
...we don't mean this in a bad way but we're being oddly reminded of some tabletop mech discussion we saw. Specifically an article from goonhammer about the Marauder where they spent the entire article basically saying "just use specific mech variant that's only available to one specific faction" and never really talked about the marauder variants. Like yes we could use that mech but we don't want to we want to play a marauder
urban shell
there are better marauders too
the issue that I have with the dreadnought is that the MAD-II-C has mediocre weapon mounts and the quirks it gets let it drop more strikes and strikes aren't fantastic even at the best of times
slim cometBOT
fair yeah
urban shell
and for dakka and brawl the Blight does a lot of what the dreadnought wants to do but with better mounts, better mobility, and better armor
and it is also a marauder
slim cometBOT
urban shell
also the blight is going to get buffed next patch
slim cometBOT
alright we'll go back and do more workshopping and see if we can balance our desire for coolness with actual practicality
...alright dropped moonwalker and dreadnought. Keeping solaris 7 and picking up sovereign, warlord, howl, and blight
urban shell
you don't have to get the warlord btw
slim cometBOT
we know, that's the shortlist
urban shell
ok so if you want to drop two, the two I would suggest are the warlord and howl because they're the most specialized and arguably the least useful in QP
the warlord can basically only be built for brawling and the howl is a dedicated ATM boat and while both of these archetypes have their place what you typically want in QP is midrange damage
slim cometBOT
yeah Howl is basically a shitton of ATMs stock right?
urban shell
idk how they're built stock because the stock builds are usually bad
4xATM9 is the way to go
urban shell
if you want to try before you buy you can load a build code and then try it out in testing grounds
and while that's not the same as a real match it does at least let you know if you hate how it feels
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try that for the warlord
slim cometBOT
ty
slim cometBOT
we'll probably wait to do anything until we get home
thinking we'll probably drop the warlord and howl
urban shell
like they're both still good, obviously
the howl is the best ATM platform by a significant margin (asterisk ATMs are....a weapon)
and the warlord is again the best brawler in the game
so it's definitely possible to rack up huge numbers in them, but for consistent performance in QP midrange dakka is typically where it's at
or the railsharks which are stupid busted broken
teal oasis
oh, that rocket change looks interesting
rocket has always been incredibly annoying to use even when you are trying to put it as a secondary
small cloak
rocket launcher rework 🙏
stoic ether
https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=fdc6eaf7_TBR-H
\ can’t figure out how to get the import code to work
urban shell
\ can’t figure out how to get the import code to work
ingame or in mechdb?
stoic ether
ingame or in mechdb?
\ Ingame. We figured it out though
urban shell
ah
urban shell
The increased speed EQ is very fun
worn notch
teal oasis
black knight, it's a damn good mech in MWO or Battletech or MW4
slim cometBOT
Been playing the Blight quite a bit recently. Current setup of 2 PPC and 5 LAC/2s has been doing decent work
urban shell
I usually run pure ballistic on the Blight to leverage the high mounts and ability to zombie
Iirc 5xAC2/2xLPPC is solid though
I guess its not unworkable
slim cometBOT
stoic ether
I usually run pure ballistic on the Blight to leverage the high mounts and abili...
\yeah we have another saved build with 2 UAC/5s and some ac/2s
urban shell
The 4G is good though I prefer the gridiron
-50% AC20 CD is pretty cool but at that range it's very easy to get your gun blasted off
urban shell
Been playing the Blight quite a bit recently. Current setup of 2 PPC and 5 LAC/2...
Continued to futz with it and yeah you're probably better off with ballistics and supplementary LPPCs rather than PPCs and supplementary ballistics
5xAC2 or the various AC5/AC2 builds are better DPS and significantly better sustain
urban shell
you can also run stuff like this where you've got a standard engine and therefore can survive losing both side torsos while still retaining a lot of DPS
stoic ether
you can also run stuff like this where you've got a standard engine and therefor...
\ seen that build. Been holding off on engine swaps since they’re pricy
urban shell
standard engines are cheap and they're not a permanent swap
structure, armor, and heatsinks cost money to switch but engines you're buying the engine
slim cometBOT
I mean how meany clans bring wet navy gear in there invasions. like IWRC that's before the undine elemental variant was made. and with enough anti aircraft guns it will eat it's tonnage in aerospace fighters/half it's waight in mechs easy
small cloak
||oh naval vessels aren't uncommon in Battletech as a whole||
||but a goddamn honest to god Ticonderoga class guided missile cruiser from today is a new one||
tawdry gyro
oh fair
small cloak
||oh naval vessels aren't uncommon in Battletech as a whole||
||they're also extremely effective against the clans iirc because the clans don't have boats||
||so it's just an entire domain of warfare they just, don't have||
tawdry gyro
||also, you apparently play as ranna motherfucking kerensky so yeah||
teal oasis
oh right I forgot Tukayyid has sea
urban shell
||so it's just an entire domain of warfare they just, don't have||
They do have a wide variety of swimming mechs and battle armor though
small cloak
They do have a wide variety of swimming mechs and battle armor though
would they even have them at tukayyid?
urban shell
Probably not but they might have some U omnipods floating around
And iirc elementals are water rated by default
slim cometBOT
The suits are.. Water-rated, but cannot exactly fight down there.
teal oasis
oh huh, it's out already
broken dragon
PGI actually fixed the Corsair's janky hitboxes
urban shell
https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=90aa29d4_MAD-4HP
Soon I will deploy The Cook....
urban shell
urban shell
stealth is bad but people are blind
slim cometBOT
Stealth is decent when you blend in and have the right weapons, because it means you can do terrible things basically unnoticed.
urban shell
I mean more that stealth esp on larger mechs is countered by the enemy team not needing the red blips to see wehre you are but a lot of people don't clear that bar
slim cometBOT
True, Longbows are. Pretty big.
I had confused it with like, a Catapult or Archer. Something much less. Big and stocky.
worn notch
Stomps in in a 90 ton mech that's 75% missile racks
small cloak
https://mwomercs.com/news/2025/12/3048-mwo-holiday-bonus-2025
yoooo
alpine ivy
If anyone else has been playing WoT, have they noticed that your allies really don't like to use Arrows?
I have a squadmate in a Naga and he'll happily run to 150m to engage with his single ERML rather than the two game breaker rods from god on the arms.
It also seems that, if you put the squad mate in "hold ground" stance, they AFK
really damn frustrating.
broken dragon
It's because of the AI wanting all their weapons in range
slim cometBOT
IIRC
alpine ivy
i have yanked every gun off of the thing and it seems to be working better.
urban shell
FREE ME
worn notch
urban shell
bang bang! pew pew!
urban shell
the widowmaker is fucking broken
unique ether
I'll be amazed if it isnt nerfed in the next patch
urban shell
yeah
urban shell
holy jesus this thing should not be in the game
slim cometBOT
Ooh, I like what they did to LAC/5s.
teal oasis
My ducking crabs
thorny star
Rocket Launcher buffs?
urban shell
yeah after the rework
small laser +200% range is nutty btw
480 optimal before skills
teal oasis
Jesus
worn notch
small laser +200% range is nutty btw
Charger 1A1 meta when.
worn notch
God what even is MWO
I don't play it myself, thought about getting into it but I don't think I can fit another live service game into my life at the moment
urban shell
it's not bad
the live service-y ness is toned down because it's in the end stage of its life cycle
urban shell
God what even is MWO
it was (still is really) heavily quirked for small lasers
but also the assumption is optimized play and builds not stock
stock is bad
teal oasis
You sadly can't melee attack in MWO otherwise Charge would be pretty stupid
urban shell
the charger 1A1 is still pretty good
the SLs cycle fast and the blazers give it both reach and extra firepower
slim cometBOT
Wait, is this like, not live?
Lollerisms (he/him) ↩️
urban shell
Wait, is this like, not live?
It'll go live on the 20th or so, it's a leak for next patch
slim cometBOT
Ah, okei!
slim cometBOT
I know MW5 dose not do the boss room thing but also there is some part of us that sees this much salvage at the start of the mission and gets nervious
slim cometBOT
Oh thank goodness they aren't just on anything
urban shell
honestly I don't think they'll be that good
at 1500m they'll take 7+ seconds from launch to impact and they don't hit that hard since you only get two of them
and it's on a locked XL400 omnimech
slim cometBOT
As much as I want funny AIV Urbie, well, it's good for the game balance.
unique ether
IS ones seem comparable to tbolt 20s, if they keep those stats.
Wondering if they looked at how the Railgun turned out and decided to start these off weaker, buff them up a little if needed?
slim cometBOT
Sort of? But er, they do area damage, that's their thing. At least in TT, and I'd imagine here too.
urban shell
no area damage
slim cometBOT
Hhhhuhhh..
Also, I keep fighting in a UAC/20 Cougar, but in the midlane? Which is where the assaults live?
urban shell
with squishy lights like that you want to double up with something bigger on peeks
otherwise you get shot and die
slim cometBOT
I've decided to go down to an LBX/10 and 3HML.
urban shell
which cougar?
slim cometBOT
Hm? Let's see.
urban shell
solid ppfld
urban shell
Pin Point Front Loaded Damage
slim cometBOT
Ah. Also that.. RT Plas PPC is.. Mmm, a bit of a :/ for me.
urban shell
pinpoint meaning no duration so it all hits the same place, front loaded meaning no burst or burn time so you can shoot and twist
?
slim cometBOT
Don't like arm-ST mixing of the same weapon.
urban shell
I mean I guess, I odn't find it to be that painful tbph
slim cometBOT
That's fair. I just don't like it.
urban shell
https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=80d15a1c_COU-FL alternatively if you want to stare something in this ballpark might work though imo you have better options
slim cometBOT
Maybe. I've considered erm, going HAG/20 and some lasers though.
But I don't wanna automatically go Oops All HAG/20.
urban shell
https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=efc6ae01_COU-E
also this option for laservom
doesn't have to be the cou-E, you can build it on just about any cougar
slim cometBOT
Also if I wanted that, I'd play my weird Adder W I have. But.. I'm feeling like this build doesn't fit on this mech. :(
slim cometBOT
Hm, could do that, yeah.
urban shell
or honestly take the gauss rifle because it's probably going to get you better results than the HAG20
slim cometBOT
Mmm, so what is a good Clan Medium that'll do AC/20 and brawl? And why do I feel like the answer is a Vapor Eagle?
slim cometBOT
I kinda want it to be, but also, I understand SRM spam.
That's a point, I don't have an SRM spammer.
urban shell
the SHC-NO technically brawls pretty good but it costs money and has an IS AC20 so that's cheating
slim cometBOT
How do Vapor Eagles brawl?
slim cometBOT
Hmmmm..
urban shell
Mmm, so what *is* a good Clan Medium that'll do AC/20 and brawl? And why do I fe...
HBK-IIC UAC40?
slim cometBOT
Never done that, always wanted to. >:3
slim cometBOT
Hm, is there any way to improve on this loadout?
https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=5d3c4621_VGL-A
This is a potential update to a current build, which has an LBX/20 and ERMLs instead.
And loses the 2 DHS for it.
urban shell
slim cometBOT
Oh. Okay.
urban shell
Hm, is there any way to improve on this loadout?
https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechl...
Too much back armor, active probe does almost nothing for you here, HMLs have burntime which means you take incoming fire, imo too many jump jets
for the one I sent you I think you could toss a ton of SRM ammo for more JJs but that's a personal preference question
slim cometBOT
Mhm.
There's also this prospect. That TAG is in there mostly to fill out the arm slot but also, TAG good for off-bore support.
https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=3c560723_VGL-1
And again the JJs can be replaced with DHSes.
urban shell
I'd drop the TAG entirely tbph
slim cometBOT
Mm, empty arm slot but I suppose.
urban shell
you do not need to fill every weapon hardpoint
and in fact many mechs are best built by not using all of the hardpoints
slim cometBOT
No, but I think it looks weird with that hardpoint unfilled.
slim cometBOT
That's a-.. Certainly a build. I got to this.
https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=5290738d_VGL-1
urban shell
the active probe does nothing for you here
slim cometBOT
Er, replace the probe with a DHS.
urban shell
I'd also drop the APGauss tbph
slim cometBOT
Maybe I'm just better-suited for making TT loadouts than MWO loadouts. :P
urban shell
honestly I think having TT experience is a debuff to making good MWO loadouts
slim cometBOT
I'm partially going for looksgood here, but that's fair.
urban shell
the things that make a build good on TT are very much not the things that make a build good in MWO
i.e. MWO very much favors building a single purpose specialist mech that you pilot in such a way that it does its specific role as much of the time as possible
slim cometBOT
Mmmhm.
slim cometBOT
Oh great heavens.
urban shell
but really if you want to brawl in a veagle I'd say go with the LB20+SRM6a build I posted earlier
everything fires immediately so you can limit exposure
slim cometBOT
Yeah.
unique ether
3x SNPPC crab might be funny...
unique ether
Spl probably better than sxpl?
urban shell
sxpl you have to stare
teal oasis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coix0cZ93gU oh holy crap, MW3 is getting such an impressive looking mod?
gusty steeple
i do think its becuse its currently abandonware ?
alas everything post clan invasion for me is painful, very very painful
urban shell
I love EQ
unique ether
ooh, what's the EQ?
unique ether
Fun EQ, but after my first match i want to bring something to delete lights
urban shell
yeah the tonnage limits are real low so you want light killers
high PPFLD or just DPS monsters with arm guns
urban shell
so I already hate alpine because I think it's a garbage map and this EQ is not changing my opinion of it
teal oasis
argh
i think
i might actually get back into MWO because the rocket launcher update looks sick
teal oasis
Ah
unique ether
Clan Archer is just, doing really well for me. 4x ATM6, 2x ERLL
urban shell
odd combo of weapons but if it works it works ig
unique ether
https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=c10bee2e_ARC-2W-CS
I almost feel like it should be generating more heat than it does, but I am chain firing the ATMs
unique ether
Does the targetting gain time boost not affect lock-on time?
urban shell
nope
unique ether
ohhhh
urban shell
Direct fire lockon is the same speed at any range, indirect gets worse out to 800m then stops, the only thing that matters is sensor range to get the lock and ECM
unique ether
Will look at adjusting it then, thanks!
urban shell
targeting gain time is just paperdoll and that doesnt matter with lockons because you cant really aim for components either way
unique ether
Point and Click Adventure Crab!
I wonder how feasible that would be for fishing for headshots?
unique ether
I do really like the Crab-27 with 3x SNPPC though
urban shell
Point and Click Adventure Crab!
I wonder how feasible that would be for fishing ...
you need to score a minimum of two headclicks and typically more like 3 or 4 so...dubious
urban shell
the UM-IIC-M is a little busted in light v light EQ
bringing a marauder's worth of HP is pretty good
unique ether
Ive run into a few comp players trying out a some counters for it. UM-R60L with just an AC20 stood out to me there.
But otherwise, UM-IIC-M with APG and Plasma seems the meta.
Cougars and Adders with similar loadouts also fare well against it.
urban shell
I think beam+lmg stare on the um-iic-m is also solid but yeah the main counter is poptart APG+PC cougar
urban shell
oh god
worn notch
Angriest trash can
grave glacier
Thoughts on living legends?
urban shell
player count is a little too low to actually play
grave glacier
Aw
urban shell
yeah hard to compare to MWO when MWO has a playerbase and MWLL very much doesn't
small cloak
really do need to play more MWO
slim cometBOT
alpine ivy
Truly a most dezgra image
urban shell
yeah it's good
highly recommended resources btw
grimmechs is a set of good baseline "what can I do with X mech" build and mechdb covers a lot of information that the game doesn't really explain
I highly recommend reading this one
grave glacier
Thanks these look super helpful!
urban shell
-50% CD EQ is pretty bonkers
you kinda have to run ultra cool dakka because everything else heatcaps itself too fast
dire widowmaker does numbers on this one
candid inlet
Arena crusher
a shame to remove the jumpjets from a highlander but the claymore and twin SRM10s make up for it
is YAML a bit OP? yeah, is it fun? hella yeah.
urban shell
me stealing all the farm from everyone else in my op legend slopmachine
unique ether
Running AC20+LB20 and 2x snubnose ppc?
urban shell
Yup
unique ether
Very fun loadout, always a good time with that in either the War Emu or Warlord
urban shell
The warlord's just so damn tanky
urban shell
small cloak
so like in MWO what even is the disadvantage of clanner mechs
they just seem better than IS mechs
urban shell
worse quirks
small cloak
@urban shell https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=08e1d6b4_MAD-IIC want to weigh in on my theorycraft
urban shell
seems unfocused
small cloak
how do you suggest I consoliate it?
urban shell
the ERLL + ERPPC combo is going to be hard to use at range due to tracking and it's quite undergunned at range and then up close 4 MPL + 2 ERML isn't particularly threatening
and that's two distinct range bands
small cloak
considering I can just fire ERLL at close range
does triple ERLL ghost heat?
yes it does
urban shell
no for IS yes for clan
urban shell
considering I can just fire ERLL at close range
very hot for a close range weapon
do you want to fight point blank, midrange, or snipe?
small cloak
MechDB says C-ERLL will ghost heat 11.75 extra when firing 3, but IS can triple it without ghost heat
urban shell
yeah, IS HSL for ERLL is 3, cERLL is 2
small cloak
do you want to fight point blank, midrange, or snipe?
midrange, but this mech doesn't mount enough
I think
urban shell
it mounts enough for midrange lasvom
small cloak
the obv solution is just med pulse
small cloak
what does the TComp do again?
urban shell
relevant boost here is to range
small cloak
shit yeah that does a lot of damage, how is dissipation on it?
urban shell
not great but you alpha 92 then duck into cover to cool
urban shell
fire HLL+ERML then half a second later LPL while the HLL is still firing
specifically its click HLL+ERML on one weapon group, click LPLs on another weapon group while the HLLs are still firing. Ghost heat is triggered by trigger pulls, not burn duration. Also if you mess this up and eat GH you will fry
imo the SR6 gigavom is somewhat better at the actual gigavom part but its also much slower
urban shell
<@175789380412243971> https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=08e1d6b4_MAD-IIC want ...
To highlight something else I'll point out just how light on quirks this mech is
compare +7 ST armor to something like an atlas which has +30-40 to every location
or the marauder 2 which again has way more armor