Battletech/Mech Warrior

[alpine ivy]

Mad dog goes nuts, a LRM20 w/art4 and like, 8 tons of ammo turns one of your sibko into a bulldozer

Very excited to pilot Timmy Dubs

[astral oak]

Mad Cat Prime configuration does everything you need. It’s a great multitool.

https://tenor.com/view/mech-battletech-hunchback-mwo-gif-26628592

[lone knot]

Does anyone else have a problem with the mw5 clans weapon sounds? like quite a few of the ballistics and LRMS in me and my groups play through either dont make sound or have like a very idk weak sound and im not sure if thats just me having better expectations or if all of our games sound are bugged or something

[onyx sable]

There has been some audio oddities throughout my playthrough

[lone knot]

like the uac20 iirc sounds like a dart gun and the lrms dont make sound until they hit the target, oh and the lbx-burst fire 5s literally make no sound at all

[nova gull]

For me the sounds are great

I just die too fast to appreciate them

The voice acting is.. a mess

[lone knot]

Ive hear that single player is hard but in my groups experience the coop is way too easy, like really really easy even compared to mw5 which i guess kinda makes sense since were in clan mechs but yknow

[nova gull]

Single player is hard ngl

I’m tempted to go to easy difficulty

But.. that feels like cheating lmao

[alpine ivy]

I've heard reverifying files can help with missing sounds

[arctic silo]

yeah definitely sounds like a bug, they had perfectly fine sounds in mercs

[alpine ivy]

I haven't used a uac/20 yet because I hate burst 20's but the LRM's have been solidly punchy.

[onyx sable]

Some of it is great, others could be improved x-x Still not sure how I feel about Jayden’s voice acting

[nova gull]

Also the moving 3d portraits…

[spice scarab]

Srms don't produce smoke trails or explosions so it's just a bunch of darts and sometimes the enemies stiffens after then kinda hangs and disappears into the ground.

Very silly

[astral oak]

Hmm... I like the Orion, but I think I need to tweak this loadout a bit.

[nova gull]

I’m gonna do mission 2 on easy

I’m a little tired to deal with it on normal alone it’s very hard

My star is not helpful at all

[spice scarab]

Good luck!

[urban shell]

probably my favorite MWO mech

[silver bison]

I like how the missions stress your ammo and the C weaponry have lower ammo pools compared to their Mercs counterpart.

FIts the whole theme of the Clans unprepared for the logistics of long term conflict in the Sphere

[astral oak]

This has been a fun loadout.

[spice scarab]

Exactly

[spice scarab]

I really need to remember I need to make more than one save esp before a mission

[spice scarab]

idk how anyone is doing this dropport mission on expert

[alpine ivy]

I'm kinda not sure how my BiL and I accomplished it tbh

It goes from pretty normal to nuts very fast

[spice scarab]

Yeah i got lucky, everyone had died and I was on one last foot

[astral oak]

I got a mod for MW5 that overhauls the sound so that it sounds like it's coming from outside your cockpit. Everything's a little muffled unless it's actually coming from or hitting your mech and it's honestly a huge change that I like a lot.

I also got a mod that turns on infantry and I'm not sure how I feel about that.

The infantry can hurt you, even if the damage is really light. It adds up quickly and you can't really ignore them.

[alpine ivy]

My advice after thinking about it: || don't rush the dropship expecting to take all the defense points down. Move towards the water on the right side of the dock. That'll give you a small bit of cover from further enemies and cool you down to keep dps up. Prioritize the PPC and LL defense nodes to remove hole pokers. Once you get the chance to scan the vessel and end the mission, lay off the trigger and let your starmates take aggro, then terminal sprint the ship and complete the scan while enemies ignore you||

[spice scarab]

Thats almost exactly what I did , yeah i think thats the play. I used the hanger for cover but basically that

[alpine ivy]

Right now enemy AI has the memory of a goldfish so laying off the guns for a bit is a good play for survival

Tough if you stick your allies in LRM boats because the dps is pretty nuts and the lockon fixes their sausage finger aiming

So mad dogs will get zapped if you put your star in them

[worn nest]

I love that mod and wish we had it for Clans. Also the mech rescaling so they're not crazy huge.

[astral oak]

I wish I could find the rescale one.

[astral oak]

It's in the workshop, turns out.

They're somehow more menacing when they're correctly-sized.

[worn nest]

https://mw5clans.com/news/2024/10/125-mw5-clans-hot-fix

Patch 2 is live and you can now select and swap pilots in co-op.

[spice scarab]

oh neat

[astral oak]

I don't know why this thing is 99.98 tons but it drives me up a wall.

[slim comet]

Dodge roll.

[prime mauve]

I'd suspect armor points wonkiness

[astral oak]

It's fun, but I think I prefer my MAD-3R.

Or HBK-4G, even. I've gone through a lot in that thing.

Anyway I've fucked off to the Periphery.

[worn nest]

Armor numbers don't always end in even 1 or 0.5 ton increments. So you'd have to drop 1/2 a ton of armor from the chassis and fill with something half a ton.

[arctic silo]

yeah it's armor. if you have armor points spare you should allot them

0.2 tons is like, at least 6 armor points for sure

oh - 0.02... like, 2

[lone knot]

Event for mwo is here

https://mwomercs.com/news/2024/10/2918-trick-or-treat-2024-plus-haunted-deals

Its loot bag so get yer mcs

[pallid glacier]

YEAHHHHHHHHHH

finally I can get garage slots for something other than 3 piranhas

[lone knot]

Id simply die if all i had was piranhas lol

Theyre fun mechs to meme with but I am a certified trash heap at any light without jjs

Oh yeah I guess theres also a bunch of free mechs with included mechbays if you get enough lootbags so you should be swimming in them

[pallid glacier]

I followed very outdated advice and got three for the non-existent mastery

[alpine ivy]

Bro the Warhawk I has buck teeth

🤓

[astral oak]

The last thing you see before you die.

🤓

[spice scarab]

🤣

[urban shell]

MWO: code VILEGOLD for a free mishipeshu

[lone knot]

was anyone going to tell me that this jenner existed or was I just suppose to find out myself?

[urban shell]

oh yeah it's great

[urban shell]

Use the code I mentioned above if you haven't btw

free mishipeshu

but yeah gigaquirks are awesome

[lone knot]

Yeah I used it, saw someone post it in all chat in a match

Not a huge shadowcat fan but its nice to have it in the collection

[lone knot]

@tawdry gyro @charred knot

[tawdry gyro]

e

[charred knot]

WE LOVE THIS GAME WOOOO

[lone knot]

@soft ingot

[soft ingot]

People bringing pure LRM boats to the event when it rotated into a 4v4 is depressing.

[tawdry gyro]

ok i threw together an atm cougar build, and i quickly learned i dont know how to use atms well

i keep shooting cover or the ground

What is the minimum range

[lone knot]

90

[tawdry gyro]

Ok

[lone knot]

They have several damage brackets tho dealing the most damage out to like 300ish iirc

[urban shell]

that's the lockon experience

lockons have very long travel times, mandate line of sight to maintain lock, and give your targets ample opportunity to duck into cover

frankly if you're not in a Howl ATMs probably aren't worth running over direct fire weapons

[pallid glacier]

I wanna try mixing ATMs with LRMs, primarily to eat AMS for the harder hitting ATMs

[urban shell]

ATMs are a lot faster than LRMs

you run into issues with velo desync so it's not worth it

[pallid glacier]

I ran some tests and it wasn't that hard to sync with separate groups

[urban shell]

the issue is that for the LRMs to get into AMS range before the ATMs you're functionally firing the ATMs as if they had 190 velo which extends your exposure periods

kind of a waste of the system imo

[lone knot]

I like atms alot, they do a bunch of damage if you fire them in the right range bracket. just make sure you bring a tag so your lockon times are too long

[urban shell]

I find that they run into the same issues as other lockons

I'm getting a surprisingly large number of headshots in event queue

[tawdry gyro]

hrm, im trying to figure out how to differentiate my MAD IIC-A build and my MAD-3R build

ive got 2 UAC-10 + 2 ERPPCs on the MAD IIC-A, and a SBG and 2 HPPCs on the MAD-3R

do those do different things?

or do they play pretty similar

i reasoned that the MAD-IIC build is fightier while the MAD-3R is basically a sniper

[lone knot]

theyre pretty close to the same thing tho the heavy ppcs have min range so you dont want things getting close to you with that one

[urban shell]

yeah they're both pretty similar mechs fighting in the <600m bracket

I had a whole rant about how I didn't understand how someone could do less than 1k across 4 mechs and then I looked their jarls up and they were <20th percentile last month

and I forgot that EQ was a mosh pit

[tawdry gyro]

is this good armor balancing for these mechs?

[lone knot]

yeah that looks about right

controversial opinion but id strip armor out of the head to fill out the rest

[urban shell]

You should not under any circumstances not have your torsos fully armored

[tawdry gyro]

yeah thats fair

[urban shell]

Strip the legs to fully armor your CT and STs

Straight up without exception not having full armor on the torsos is an error

Are those old screenshots? I don't think the MAD-3R has +10 armor on the LT

[tawdry gyro]

no this is current

[urban shell]

Huh weird

[charred knot]

so we have a crab build and wanted feedback abt it because we dont really know why youd take pulse lasers over normal lasers, but basically we have two ppcs on one arm and two med-x pulse lasers on the other and want to know its its generally more recommended to run normal lasers in the other hand if we want to run the dual ppcs

[urban shell]

send the build

also x-pulse are hitscan stare weapons, PPCs are PPFLD projectile weapons, they don't mech together great

ERPPCs are somewhat better due to their absurd velo but you'll still run into the issue that you need to lead one set of weapons and don't need to lead the other

[urban shell]

pulse lasers are more heat efficient and have shorter burn times

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/equipment/weapons

so better damage concentration and you need to expose for less time to deliver your laser

also pulse lasers are denser so on slot-limited mechs you can fit more weapons

[charred knot]

we like to use one as leverage to use the other, if that makes snesed

sense*

[urban shell]

que

[charred knot]

use the laser beams to do damage while getting ready to use the ppcs

or when we cant use the ppcs for ( a reason ) we use the lasers

[urban shell]

if you're doing that kind of mix you'd be better off with normal lasers

also MXPL have much, much shorter range than PPCs

so for range sync you'd be better off with ER mediums

[charred knot]

ooo okays okays

[urban shell]

can you send the build? Either a screenshot of mechlab or if you hit export

[charred knot]

yeye on it rn

THANK YOU BTW

ALMOST FORGOT

[urban shell]

MXPL have 270m optimal, PPC have twice that as optimal

so for half your PPC range your MXPLs are doing literally nothing

[tawdry gyro]

Oh yeah, the crab exists

[urban shell]

ER mediums still don't match range but it's less bad and stuff like BLC/ERML lasvom is actually pretty optimal

[tawdry gyro]

Jump jets crab 👀

[urban shell]

for most crabs lasvom is the way to go

[charred knot]

YOU CAN JUMP JETS A CRAB?

[urban shell]

CR-27SL

run 5x MPL

[urban shell]

if you hit export in MWO it'll copy a code that you can paste into either mechlab or mechdb

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/

[charred knot]

https://gyazo.com/5e865cdccd091010d4cf120a4d641370

[urban shell]

mechdb has a mechlab that is significantly better than the one in MWO

[urban shell]

1. Way too much rear armor. You should have at most 5 rear armor. In general, you should not be getting shot in the back
2. Mixed PPFLD/Hitscan/Stare. The mix of lasers is kind of baffling, plus if you're staring to use the MXPL you can't twist and take advantage of the crab's really good torso hitboxes to spread damage. I'm increasingly an advocate for using weapons that let you shoot and twist, or failing that committing to stare weapons.
3. Ferro before endo. IS endo is just better than ferro. Use endo first, then ferro if you need more weight reduction
4. The 27B isn't quirked for PPCs, the CRB-27 is, so you really should be using all lasers on this mech

[charred knot]

we... dont know what alot of this means

whats a twist
and whats ferro/endo

[urban shell]

twist is shooting then looking to the side

twisting your torso to spread out damage

[charred knot]

oohh okays okays

[urban shell]

if you stare at your opponent they can put all their shots into your CT without having to blow through your ST, so you die faster

if you twist, and in the crab you don't need to twist 90 degrees because of its torso shape, you can direct incoming damage into your side torsos, which don't kill you if you lose them

ferro and endo are the upgrade options and both save weight at the cost of slots. Endo-steel is a better weight reduction for the same slot usage so you should use endo first before ferro-fibrous

PPFLD = PinPoint Front Loaded Damage. Weapons that deal all their damage to one location without burn times. Things like IS ACs, Gauss, PPCs, etc. These let you put all your damage into single components because they don't have burst durations that can spread damage across multiple locations. If your aim is good, these will kill things very quickly. Also better for headshots, though nobody can get consistent headshots.

Hitscan = Hitscan weapons that don't require leading. MGs, lasers.

Stare = Weapons that fire quickly/continuously, requiring that you stare at your opponent. MGs, beam lasers, X-pulse, small UACs, RACs, etc.

[charred knot]

okays okays
thank you for lining these things out- we're still really new to the franchise as a whole

[urban shell]

I'm personally not the biggest fan of the CR-27B because I think the 27 is just better a lot of the time, but this build is...passable

A<592:m0|Lg|F@p]0q]0|i^rP0|@|@sP0|F@|F@tX0uX0vB0|F@w303030

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=b022865a_CRB-27B

oh god what does the CRB-27B actually do well?

these quirks suck

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=0ea220a2_CRB-27B

this would also work. I'm not the biggest fan but eh

[charred knot]

thank you, again!!!!

[urban shell]

you only need to turn the crab like 15 degrees to either side to completely shield that ST, so you can soak quite a lot of fire before dying

you're still a medium so you're not invulnerable but the hitboxes are genuinely really good

[urban shell]

feel free to ask if you have more questions. MechDB has a good set of resources

[charred knot]

will do!!

[urban shell]

also if you want to go over skills I've got a whole thing

[charred knot]

also these hitboxes are crazy

[urban shell]

yeah they're good

[charred knot]

oh! sure!

[urban shell]

same reason all of the other airplane torso mechs are good

[urban shell]

short version is that on every mech ever you should max out armor, structure, and range. Heat reduction and cool run are usually necessary except on very cold builds like all gauss. Cooldown is a maybe depending on what's limiting your rate of fire. For energy builds that's typically heat so you can usually avoid cooldown nodes. For lasers beam duration reduction is mandatory for obvious reasons. The rest are more players choice. I run a lot of speed tweak/hard brake to enhance peek-shoot-hide builds like lasvom

[charred knot]

oooo good to note!

[urban shell]

as far as why armor and structure, they're direct and significant increases to durability

range is more damage

[urban shell]

oh also the benefit of a standard engine is that your mech only dies when it loses the CT and not taking penalties from losing a side torso, so if you're running a standard engine you want as many guns in the CT and head as possible so you can continue to provide fire while "sticked" (both STs lost).

it's called sticking because your paperdoll looks like a stick when both side torsos are gone

[urban shell]

this is probably better than the one I came up with btw

[jade kettle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18wqAexoZATrLo5HgUTakI_35f2b6Aud8VihUp7zDCUw/edit#heading=h.446o9kxuu0b1 neps has a pretty good rundown of skill picks

[tawdry gyro]

im seeing these two builds for a crab on grimms mechs, why would you want the standard engine variant ever? its just slower?

oh, the light engine takes up side torso slots

so its tankiness vs speed

ill use the std engine variant

[tawdry gyro]

crab fun

[urban shell]

Wasn't sure if I could post it because her art is racy

[urban shell]

with the std engine you can fight with both STs gone

with a LFE if you lose both you die

Also you don't take penalties for losing a ST

[lone knot]

range nodes are a must take? you mean the 15 nodes you need to take for 15% range? Nah, aint no way you cant find better use of 15 points then getting 1% range per node

[urban shell]

Range nodes are the only skill in the game that improve damage output

And all of comp agrees with me

Range, armor, and structure are the three autotakes because there's no build where they're not useful

[lone knot]

????

They only increase in damage is after the regular optimal range for those weapons and thats not increasing damage thats just making it so that the damage doesnt falloff IF your shooting farther then your optimal without the nodes. cd decreases the time when your not shooting increasing your damage, heatgen increases your damage by letting you shoot more before you overheat, same for coolrun and heat contain and coolshot

[urban shell]

Not every build uses CD, not every build uses heatgen

Every build uses range

[lone knot]

The only time you wouldnt take the heat nodes is if your running something that literally cant overheat

Kap

What build besides machine guns and racs dont use cd nodes?

[urban shell]

And increasing optimal is useful for every weapon

[lone knot]

By 30-140 meters?

Yeah naw

[urban shell]

Lasvom, most cERPPC builds

[lone knot]

Why tf would you not take cd

[urban shell]

CD isn't useful when you can't alpha twice without overheating

[lone knot]

So you bind all your weapons on to 1 hotkey and just send it?

[urban shell]

That is how lasvom works yes

The point is maximizing damage concentration and reducing exposure time

[lone knot]

Do you just sit 800meters away and hope nothing goes wrong for you?

[urban shell]

????

IS lasvom is BLCs+ERMLs, it fights at like 500m or less

You shoot once then duck into cover to cool

This is an entire genre of builds

[lone knot]

When they push you what do you do?

[urban shell]

Coolshots, teammates, arty

But also yeah being pushed is a weakness of lasvom

I gotta ask to make sure that we're on the same level here, what builds are you running?

[lone knot]

Everything?

[urban shell]

No like I want an example

[lone knot]

Ive been playing since 2012 man

[urban shell]

Because it sounds to me like you're building bracket firing mechs

[lone knot]

Theres literally not a build i havent used

Why tf would i do bracket?

[urban shell]

But you're not familiar with lasvom as a concept?!?

[lone knot]

Am i trying to larp or am i tryinf to win?

You have a very different experience with laservom then i do

Cd has never not been useful for me in laservom builds, range is next to useless for the node requirement when I can just get slightly closer

[urban shell]

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=17c583ed_STK-4N

I'm talking something like this that gets one alpha before overheat

[lone knot]

Yeah? Im not illiterate

I can read what you type

[urban shell]

CD isn't useful because your firerate is limited by heat instead of cooldown

[lone knot]

We have a fundamental difference in our understanding here, im assuming somethings going to go wrong with the plan "only fire every weapon or nothing" and your obviously not

[urban shell]

No, I want an explanation for what CD gets you here

Are you using it to fire your ERMLs only? Are you using it to burn yourself out as you get overwhelmed?

This is the second time you've tried to end the convo with a flouncy "you'll never understand why you're wrong" and I'm not having it

I've made my case for CD not being useful for lasvom, you should make a case for CD being useful

[lone knot]

CD is useful because if im getting pushed I can still use part of my loadout more effectively rather then waiting 10 seconds while they pound me to dirt if i dont want to cook off or if something needs to die now and not later because theyll kill a teammate or escape. Another example is popping a coolshot so I can immediately shutdown a push before it becomes a problem which benifiets from being able to shoot faster. And i guess going supernova if your about to die but like why tf would i take nodes for that?

The use case for cd for pretty much every build is more common then range which, again, only comes up as a minor dmg increase when your shooting beyond normal optimal rng which those 15 nodes only increase by 30-140m where the 30m is a pitiful increase and the higher end is more uncommon to occur because when tf are you shooting something 1k out

[urban shell]

So you are overheating yourself?

[lone knot]

Did you read the whole thing or literally just the end?

[urban shell]

The whole thing

[lone knot]

K

Good talk

[urban shell]

you can't alpha back to back unless you overheat so either you're waiting to cool or overheating

I'm reading what you're typing, but idk how CD nodes get you ten fewer seconds between alphas on a heat limited build without overheating

Or you're firing just your secondaries/stagger firing which spreads damage and increases exposure time

If you could post an example build it'd go a long way towards explaining your case

Ok I missed the part where you said "part of", so that's on me, but I still don't think being able to fire your ERMLs faster is worth trading range/not firing your LLs/BLCs

[jade kettle]

You take range so you can turn what would have been a trade into a matchup that favors you

[jade kettle]

Most energy builds have no use for cool down because they get heat capped, it doesn't contribute meaningfully to damage

[jade kettle]

lol

[lone knot]

Im not about to try and use mechdb on my phone, id rather drive rusty screws under my fingernails

You: wastes 15 nodes for getting 30m of range
Me: takes 2 second to walk closer

[jade kettle]

you: loses chances on even or favored trades to take cool down nodes that don't have a meaningful impact on DPS or volume of fire

[lone knot]

On only 1 type of build

And 30 meters aint winning a trade

[jade kettle]

on far more than one type of build, since it's not just lasvom builds that readily heat cap

[urban shell]

Its only 30 meters on weapons with 200 optimal

[jade kettle]

The point is that you do full damage and they don't

Or, since basically everyone takes range, that you don't become the person doing chip while taking full hits

[lone knot]

Man i forgot that this is a fighting game were we have perfecg spacing

[urban shell]

And 120m of range on gauss isn't nothing

[lone knot]

At 900+ meters?

Just get closer

This aint old polar highlands

[jade kettle]

I have a few u/ac 2 builds and erppc builds that basically feast on those range nodes because I can pump damage on mechs that can't effectively shoot back

[jade kettle]

Unreal

lmfao

[lone knot]

Because theyre running ac2ps and srms?

Like bruh

[jade kettle]

Because they're running literally anything that isn't the same weapon as me

uac2 builds farm damage industrially

[lone knot]

So the range nodes dont help this use case

[urban shell]

Theres also quite a few maps where you can get a 1km sightline

the only one where you really can't is solaris

[jade kettle]

Admittedly uacN also thrives on cool down but that's not the point

[lone knot]

Because your only contested by your own build

[urban shell]

Also gauss, ERLL, ERPPC

[jade kettle]

Ya those too

I don't have a ton of gauss builds because I'm bad at them

[lone knot]

Im not saying you cant 1k sight lines, im saying if you have 1k range 900 is basically the same because you have a fuckton of space to get slightly closer

[jade kettle]

The range nodes move the effective on something like u/ac2s from being just within the max range of a bunch of weapons to being well past it

[urban shell]

What else are you going to spend those nodes on?

[lone knot]

Whats the range differencs?

[jade kettle]

Un-noded ac2s effective is right on the border of max range for an ac20 for example

[lone knot]

????

[jade kettle]

But quirked you can now do full damage at a range where the ac20 doesn't hit at all

I think ac5s do this too

[lone knot]

If your concerned about that then i think you got the wrong priorities lol

A max range 20?

[urban shell]

For a UAC2 build you're taking heat and cd for obvious reasons, velo, ammo, UAC jam, cool run heat containment, armor structure, and at that point its either speed tweak or range

[jade kettle]

I mean you've spent 12 years playing this game and didn't know what lasvom builds are but yeah I have misplaced priorities

[lone knot]

☠️☠️☠️

Kid thinks i cant read

[jade kettle]

uac + ecm builds are the most oppressed members of skill point society

So many necessary nodes 😭

[lone knot]

Coolshot, radar dep, seismic, etc

Tho yeah theres not much for uac2 direwolf

[urban shell]

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=ca20e14e_HBK-4P

wubwubwub

[jade kettle]

lol

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=c1ec95d5_BSK-4 call this build YEEEEOUCH! OW! OOH! AAAAH! HOT!

117 pt alpha tho

[jade kettle]

https://mwomercs.com/news/2024/11/2926-mechwarrior-5-clans-trials-war-dlc-nov-25th

MechWarrior 5: Clans - Trials of War DLC, featuring 5-player PvP Arena Mode, co-op Horde Mode, and 12 new Omnimech variants.

• Arena mode - 1 to 5 Player PvP in10 arenas. (Playable with AI)
• Horde Mode - Co-op survival against waves of enemies (Playable with AI)
• Omnimech Variants - 12 New Omnimech Variants with new Omnipods and Skins.

$20

[astral oak]

I put a cluster round LBX-10 on a Hunchback as a joke and it turns out this was not a joke at all and it's actually a very dangerous little bastard.

[urban shell]

which hunchie?

[astral oak]

4H

[urban shell]

I kinda see it though the 4H is pretty strongly quirked for a UAC

[soft ingot]

When not even god can carry your team

I'm the 1K dmg Longbow

[arctic silo]

the welsh mech warrior

[astral oak]

I've had bad luck with UACs in the past that makes me shy away from relying on them.

[lone knot]

They should change the uacs to like they are in mw5 clans, I dont just want to double tap i want the rng gods to bless me with sextouple ac20 shot and delete an atlas from existence

[alpine ivy]

The AC20 CASINO CANNON is extremely funny

[charred knot]

@gusty steeple @humble crown gettin more in here (:

[worn notch]

I've been playing a whole bunch of modded MW5 Mercs lately. YAML and its add ons have some hilariously broken/fun mechs.

I found a Hero Atlas with a bunch of quirks that boost AC/10 velocity and damage. So I gave it three of them. A single volley does more damage than a King Crab with more accuracy and less heat

And six medium lasers just in case that wasn't enough firepower (it very rarely isn't)

The supercharger also didn't come with it and I mostly added it because funny

[meager ether]

Hii hi. I really should have another go at the Mechwarrior. I first played the tabletop, and the roleplay game for it. And so found Mechwarrior online.

How often do peoples play?

[teal oasis]

you can find still find matches quickly but not immediately

though sometimes it can get up to a minute, and sometimes the server have problem when an event is up

[urban shell]

There's 3k? People on most nights?

it's not too bad to get a match

[arctic silo]

it can take longer if you have more people, because it has a weight roster system i don't quite understand

it doesn't take long at all if you're solo and play a light mech, for example, though

[lone knot]

As long as you dont drop as 3 man group generally the queue times are okay, 3 stacks for some reason massively increase queue time ime

[urban shell]

Harder to fit into a match

[meager ether]

Honestly, I normally only play tiny mechs. I don't think I've even played higher than a medium class mech before.

[arctic silo]

me neither but mostly because I keep buying urbies

[meager ether]

My Mother was known for her ER PPC cockpit crits in the tabletop.

[worn notch]

It's the trash can, not the trash can't. - Tex

[urban shell]

I can't do lights

Tank controls + fast gives me issues plus I like being able to muscle people out of positions

[urban shell]

Duelist noises

[slim comet]

Ooh, 4cUAC5 is open now.

[dim umbra]

When i took this contract, i didn't think i'd be going to The bowels of HELL.
Welp, crank up that difficulty to NIGHTMARE and pick a soundtrack made by Mick Gordon! *** CUZ WE HAVE SOULS TO TAKE!***

[worn notch]

MW5 has some great biomes but you do start to notice them repeating after a while. The VonBiomes mod fixes that.

It's a bit performance heavy but worth it.

Also, Hero Firestarter. Based

That and the "Hi There" Javelin were my go-to light mechs for most of my current playthrough until I eventually replaced the Firestarter with the Munin Raven

[dim umbra]

Oh no, regular firestarter. I just like Lasers!

[dim umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/red-dawn-wolverines-gif-25791594

Hell yeah first 55 tonner and a damn good one at that!

[worn notch]

You can get an even better version of the Wolverine for free if you jump to Valentina. It's part of an old Razer promotion and has a branded paint job, but you can change that.

It's got a UAC5, SRM6 with Artemis (tighter spread in exchange for being a bit heavier), and Medium Pulse Lasers

[prime mauve]

Does it also use Artemis compatible ammo or no?

[worn notch]

They can't interchange in MW5 so yes

[dim umbra]

AND a Shadowhawk!? Im a lucky boi today!

What can you do with it?

[alpine ivy]

Shadow hawks are honestly pretty mid

Especially the 2K because it doesnt have an AC/5

Which are honestly pretty solid in MW5

Still worth upgrading a lancemate in a light mech to it though.

[worn notch]

If you have the Solaris DLC you can slap a PPC-X onto it to turn it into a close quarters monster

The PPC-X is so broken that before I started installing mods all of my mechs with large energy slots had at least one.

[alpine ivy]

I know it would be ahistorical but i dont know why they called it a ppc-x and not a snubbie

[worn notch]

It worked out for the modders at least since YAML and its derivative mods still have Snub Nose PPCs.

[charred knot]

fuck yeah!!!!

[dim umbra]

Hey guys, guess what i have.

Hehehehe I have a timberwooolf~!

[alpine ivy]

Man, all the non prime variants always trip me up with the weapon placements

T WOLVES NEED TO BE SYMMETRICAL
FUCK

[charred knot]

DOUBKLE FUCK YEAH!!!!

[slim comet]

The Prime is asymmetrical. The S is not.

D. Smoothly | Blink Anchored ↩️

[Reply to:](#1159998642531356693 message) Man, all the non prime variants always trip me up with the weapon placements

[worn notch]

I haven't seen any Clan mechs in my game yet since I installed lore friendly versions of my mods whenever available. Soon though. I'm only about 6 years out from the invasion on my file.

Though the mods I have don't add them as anything special, just a new faction that pops up in the invasion corridors from time to time.

There is a full on clan invasion mod, but it's extremely unfinished and buggy atm

[charred knot]

@orchid monolith

[orchid monolith]

Battletech my beloved

[slim comet]

[charred knot]

(sorry for just poppin in occasionally to ping people that seem random, we're just sending them in the direction they want us to send them in^^)

[urban shell]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1173827470835855371/1317288301492830318/happy_holidays_2024.png?ex=675f7555&is=675e23d5&hm=9d4f121cf3a9b372733a949bf258ea49e01fec94b5f0e5554a11cdfff7cc0b9e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1417&height=910

oh fuck

`"In the past you said the Fire Moth would break MWO, why are you releasing it now PGIMan?"

You might remember the week of super speed event queues we did around 4 months back. This was operating as a test to see exactly where things started to break down. One thing we learned was that the real offender against hitreg was more acceleration and deceleration rather than just top speed. The Fire Moth will move 209 kph with full skills + MASC engaged, but it won't have the full mobility you would expect of a 20 tonner(more akin to a Mist Lynx rather than a Locust or Flea). The Fire Moth will also gain a reduced acceleration/deceleration bonus from its MASC. This doesn't mean the mech has no maneuverability, just slightly less than your average 20 tonner. Instead, it will make up for it with its massive top speed.`

[jade kettle]

yeah ive had the game freak the absolute fuck out when ive done sketchy things with a masc flea

itll start rubberbanding me all over the place

like if i try to masc up a hill i really shouldnt be able to climb or manage to wrangle myself onto some weird ass geometry

[slim comet]

Oh my God.

[teal oasis]

yeah, light mech hit register is just weird

like there's time where I swear I have hit the light mech but it just won't register

so I guess we are getting dasher now

[jade kettle]

my collection is nearly complete...

[charred knot]

hahahahah

[urban shell]

I got my advent headshot when a locust peeked my duelist and vanished

Poor guy, I think he was fresh

[lone knot]

i got a surprisingly large amount of headshots on lights during the weekend event, they just kept standing still for some reason

[urban shell]

Event queue doesn't have MM

[lone knot]

ah, yeah that might do it

[urban shell]

average player quality is uh

Not Great

Since iirc 50% of the playerbase is T5

[charred knot]

we think we're hardstuck in t5

we dont know what can get us to t4 or higher since every game feels like a random chance to "get better" or "lose elo"

[urban shell]

Honestly a not-insigificant portion of it is running optimized builds

There's a skill element too but people run like, 2xLAC2 Cicadas and shit and that's just kneecapping yourself

[lone knot]

you dont even really need optimized meta builds, having good decision making is usually enough

[urban shell]

Sure but having a mech that is built well makes it a lot more tolerable

And knowing where to put your mech is a combo of build and decisionmaking

[lone knot]

well yeah, im not supporting the idea that you can get to t1 with a lac2 cicada but as long as you have something that isnt a complete trashheap itll generally go alright if you have enough game knowledge

[urban shell]

I actually ran into said lac2 cicada in qp

So they were at worst in T3

[lone knot]

i run a Hgauss firestarter occasionally

its bad, like really bad but funny

[urban shell]

I'm no stranger to meme builds but I could not find a reasonable way to fit a HGauss in there

"Reasonable"

[urban shell]

Imo its largely positioning, hitting your shots, and running a decent build designed to function at one range bracket

Positioning is hard to teach in the specific but its basically not going anywhere alone and not going basement, hitting your shots is largely a matter of practice, and unironically for the last one grimmechs

Also not using advanced zoom

I am fully convinced that advanced zoom is a trap option designed to make snipers easier to surprise

Also tbph learning to take advantage of pug armor when you're shooting

[lone knot]

finally someone agrees with me

i cannot stand advanced zoom

[urban shell]

Yeah I have no idea how people use it

[lone knot]

gods finest creation

[urban shell]

Isn't that like 500 potential damage

[lone knot]

yeah but like good luck using all the ammo before you die

[urban shell]

Fair

[urban shell]

And I fully admit that my aim is firmly "shoot center mass, hope for the best" but adv zoom just makes it worse because I can't fucking see anything

[urban shell]

Sorry for the second ping but also you're fairly new to the game, right?

[charred knot]

kind of!

been playing for two to three month

[urban shell]

MWO is a pretty complex environment and it wouldn't be too surprising if it took a bit to come up to speed

[charred knot]

but thats still pretty new with the whole retrospect of this games life, yeah?

so yeah we're new!

[urban shell]

Yeah I wouldn't sweat it that much

There's a lot of complexity and it's entirely possible to screw yourself in the mechlab

If you have questions feel free to ask

[charred knot]

will do!!

[urban shell]

Also mindset wise increasing PSR is also to some extent acknowledging that you're in a 12v12 which means playing in a specific manner frankly focused on farming enemies to the expense of your team

[charred knot]

we wanted to get some games in soon, and want to maybe get some group games in w/yall :3

yall (royal)

[urban shell]

And for builds I really hate to say it but grimmechs or asking experienced players is probably the best starting point

it can get complicated esp once you get to managing mounts and things

[urban shell]

bang bang!

pew pew!

[lone knot]

delete key

[jade kettle]

1v1d a king crab in a raven and won 😤

[urban shell]

bang bang! pew pew!

[gusty steeple]

wrong channel whoops

[dim umbra]

You guys got any idea what this mech is/could be?

It kiiinda looks like a modified, construction version of a shadowhawk or a centurion.

[worn notch]

It's an IndustrialMech. Specifically a LoaderKing, which was invented for the game.

The Solaris DLC adds a pilotable version of it.

The pilotable version is... fine, but there's much better heavy mechs

[dim umbra]

Cool!

[urban shell]

The roughneck-BLT is pretty good in MWO but diffrrent game

[slim comet]

Apparently yeah, the fully militarised version of the Loader King is intended to be the Roughneck.

[urban shell]

Yup

[worn notch]

It's better in unmodded MW5 but if you play with Yet Another Mechlab like me, it runs into serious space issues if you try to fit anything bigger than a heavy rifle on it.

And that's without the ammo (and the rifles have atrocious ammo count per ton)

[urban shell]

Its pretty solid in MWO

Good durability quirks and generally solid generic DPS quirks plus four high mount ballistics

So 4xAC5/4xUAC2 etc

plays a lot like a jager without the durability or horizontal convergence problems

[worn notch]

Yeah I don't think you could do Quad AC5s in MW5. Even without YAML's critical slot system I don't think the unmodded game gives it 4 medium hardpoints

[slim comet]

I.. I've made an abomination.
https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=f6e714bb_PIR-1

[thorny star]

What is this, and how do I make it extinct

[urban shell]

imo too much rear armor and not nearly enough ammo

also really slow

[slim comet]

I was going to make something between an Urbie and an Elemental suit. I got sidetracked.

[dim umbra]

This's what i like to call: The Bone-headed Catapult.

[slim comet]

That's very goofy. I love it.

[dim umbra]

And its surprisingly effective for what it is, being far tougher and slightly faster then most Assault mechs out there.
The only downside is my inability to find good weight-effective weapons for it, so it's output is below average, with at most chewing up a light mech in a few volleys.

From a 65-tonner no less.

[fervent moat]

You'll probably see it again pretty soon. Data just got unbanned

He's been headcapping people for the last couple days but we'll see if he gets hammered again. Hopefully this time it's perma

[urban shell]

Idk if erlls are actually ever meta in qp

Way too hot for what you get

[alpine ivy]

Just like tabletop fr fr

[urban shell]

I know they're a thing in comp but comp is different

[jade kettle]

Idk I was running 4erll on a thunderbolt and it felt pretty potent

Like a slower but reachier version of the storied desperada 4ll

[urban shell]

dps is so low though

[jade kettle]

actually it might have been 6 erll i forgot what that build was

i ended up switching it to ppcs and doing better, but the tight clustering of its mounts helped the erll build put damage on one component

the ppcs just kinda do the same thing better

[slim comet]

Honestly, I've been having fun with a Blazer-Thunderbolt combo
Gunslinger.

[alpine ivy]

The Direwolf is a silly mech

[worn notch]

https://tenor.com/view/mikerowwave-gif-25861853

[slim comet]

THE MACROWAVE! :D

[alpine ivy]

THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN-

[indigo jackal]

Cooks you and your enemies.

[indigo jackal]

I thought I lucked out in MechWarrior 5 when I found a Champion very early in the game. I thought "Oh nice a heavy mech this early?" and napped only for me to realize this thing does not have great armor for a heavy.

Worse armor then many mediums even after checking.

[charred knot]

which mech is it

[indigo jackal]

Champion CHP-2N.

[teal oasis]

It's another mech that suffered the fate of being an interweight class mechs

You ended up being good at nothing...

[indigo jackal]

Made even worse by the fact that you can't just slap in fibroferrous armor and an XL engine to free up tonnage like you can in mwo.

[teal oasis]

I like Champion in MWO funny enough

Its hitbox is weird enough that I can torsotwist till I'm a stick and fighting

It's fun seeing your opponent being too hot to fire while you still have an AC20 in your stick mech

[indigo jackal]

Get stickmeched idiot.

[charred knot]

haha yeah our friends warn us about it every time we see it

we hope its doing you an okay sevice, its VERY wonky in hitboxes and design

[worn notch]

I once slapped two gauss rifles on one in mw5. It was silly and I didn't take it out much because the armor meant losing the gausses was very likely, but it was fun to one tap things with it

[worn notch]

That's why I love MW5's modders

Yet Another Mech Lab basically transplants MWO's mechlab into 5.

[indigo jackal]

I am on console.

[indigo jackal]

I reloaded and rng favoured me more, giving me a hunchback instead.

[indigo jackal]

MW5 question. Does it matter what parts of a mech get destroyed or is it being salvageable just a dice roll?

[alpine ivy]

So I play with yaml but but I understand mechs do drop as salvage based on the damage you do to them

So a cored mech is only good for scrap but a headshotted or legged mech is rebuildable. Be careful with headshots. If you're not playing with a mod that lets you buy salvage rights, a pristine but headless mech is extremely expensive.

[worn notch]

I don't remember the exact percentages off the top of my head, but a headshot is almost guaranteed salvageable, cored is about a 1 in 3 chance, legged is something like 50%.

Shooting off all the weapons, for some reason is a 0% chance (YAML fixes this)

But like Smoothly said, the more stuff intact on the mech, the more salvage points it'll cost, so if you want to salvage something, shoot off the arms and a leg (unless one of those parts contains something you also want) before going for a headshot.

[indigo jackal]

I see. I've been trying to get a shadowhawk and a panther I just haven't gotten any luck.

[worn notch]

Shadowhawk is middling tbh. The starting Centurion is just as good if not better. The Panther is pretty good as far as light mechs go, but if you're going to get one I'd recommend holding out for the hero version

It gets two large energy hardpoints, which is crazy firepower for a light mech

[alpine ivy]

Shadowhawk is one of those mechs that make me wonder where the fuck the tonnage went

[worn notch]

It's kind of annoying to kill since the CT hitbox is so small, but other than that there isn't a whole lot going for it.

[indigo jackal]

Is the Shadowhawk not great? I always thought it was kinda neat.

[prime mauve]

The base configs without an XL engine don't have much space for weapons/armor, especially the AC/5 ones.

[teal oasis]

ac5 is just really not good

[worn notch]

The UAC5 is nice (if you haven't already, go to the Valentina system and get the free hero Wolverine there. It has one and it's a 55 tonner that's better than the Shadow Hawk in every way), but the base AC5 is mediocre

On things that mount a lot of them like the Jagermech it can be effective, but if you're going to mount only one normal autocannon an AC10 is the bare minimum IMO

Though the Jager has its own problems. Namely paper thin armor on an autocannon heavy mech. Not as much of a problem in MW5 where every mech behaves like it has CASE, but in modded MW5 or other MW games it tends to go kablooey a lot.

[alpine ivy]

The kuritan shadowhawk is the one that gets me. 1 ppc and an lrm 5. My brother in christ you made a trash griffin

I adore the catalyst sculpt for the SH but TV box head in MW5 doesn't do it for me either. Once you get XL engines with yaml though, it can get way better in terms of fighting prowess at least

[worn notch]

Kuritan variants are a mixed bag. Some are great, some are terrible, most of them are bugfuck crazy

[alpine ivy]

I am gods strongest kuritan patriot and yeah i got nothing, our mechs are weird

Bringing the 50 mrm orion into a classic game tomorrow, which will be silly.

[worn notch]

My favorite is the Catapult with two PPCs, presumably because someone thought it was funny

[alpine ivy]

That one's actually good, on the bright side

[worn notch]

I think I might have one in one of my YAML saves that I stuffed two Blazers on to for the funni

Yes, it ran hot, no, it wasn't in any way practical, yes, it was hilarious

[indigo jackal]

I am obsessed with the idea of a rac/5 urbie, but I know it would be terrible. Yet it whispers to me like the green goblin mask.

[urban shell]

it's good in MWO

the R60Lhttps://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=dc10351f_UM-R60L

I usually swap the SLs for ERSLs

[indigo jackal]

oh thanks

[worn notch]

Urbies become a nightmare in MW5 with YAML and some equipment mods installed. Slap a couple chainguns on and shove a bigger engine in there and you've got a speedy, durable, and punchy trash can.

[worn notch]

My various MW5 mods have allowed me to make this affront to God

Just for context on the mech for those unaware: it was commissioned by Stefan Amaris, who, like many other dictators, was obssessed with wonder weapons. He commissioned a very large mech. It broke its legs the first time they tried testing it and Amaris had the entire design team executed for incompetence.

I took it and made it go 81 KPH because MW5 modding is just like that

[urban shell]

kinda undergunned imo

[worn notch]

Gauss machine guns are really good.

[urban shell]

idk 2xUAC5s arent very scary at range and everything else is pretty short

[worn notch]

Half the time they're all I need

I usually close spamming the UAC5s (one of my mods, forget which, makes them single shot instead of burst, so they feel much better to use than in vanilla), then open up with the SRMs and the Gauss MGs

Most things vaporize pretty quick under all that

[slim comet]

I think you got the armerment a bit off TBH

[worn notch]

I refit it so completely it took a year of in-game time to finish.

Most of that was sticking the two engines in, but still

[slim comet]

Fair the fact you made it a funtional mech is a feat on it's own

[worn notch]

I forget what the original loadout was. Pretty sure it was close to that, though I'd need to look at it in Instant Action to be sure

[worn notch]

So I found another one. The base variant does have that loadout (well, the one I got spawned with Silver Bullet Gauss Rifles, but that's just the loadout variants system added in the Solaris update)

[dim umbra]

Oh shit! Guess who lucky on the salvage build! Didnt even know you COULD get hero's with Salvage build.

Also, quite the Exotic paint scheme, quite like it!

[worn notch]

That's the Razer promotional Wolverine you get for free from Valentina. It's unique, but doesn't technically count as a hero mech, which is probably why it's in that pool.

You can get star league stuff from salvage assembly though, regardles of where the salvage came from. Not sure how Fahad pulls that one off.

Also, two clan mechs, nice. I'm playing with the lore accurate version of the mod that adds them so I only just got my first (the Mad Dog)

Clan LRMs are hilarously broke. Basically Artemis LRMs and a really big rack of Streak SRMs in a single package.

[alpine ivy]

good to see Clan LRMs continue to bust balance over their knee in game as well as on table top.

Something like a Novacat B with 90 LRMs pretty much tells anyone nearby to get bent.

[worn notch]

I've barely used them in Clans so I'm not sure if the official game makes an attempt to balance them or not, but I'll have to give them another shot after seeing how they perform in the mod

Not normally an LRM guy but Clan LRMs might convert me

[urban shell]

if its any consolation they're ass in mwo

extremely low velo, lockon required, stream fire

[alpine ivy]

2 outta 3 isn't bad.

[worn notch]

Both streams and cluster LRMs are available in MW5, and streams are generally better. The missiles on the cluster ones tend to crowd each other, resulting in a greater spread and fewer of them connecting. That doesn't happen with streams

Both are also available for SRMs, and Stream SRMs garbo though.

Do I want a missile shotgun, or do I want to futilely attempt to keep my launcher on target while my missile racks take over a second to lazily spit themselves out?

[urban shell]

yeah but in MWO they're just bad

only really good for farming assaults

[urban shell]

Huh, the sovereign is pretty good

[dim umbra]

Jesus i just got jumpscared by this.

That is HORRIFYING.

[indigo jackal]

AC/30

That doesn't just core enemy 'mechs it retcons them out of existence.

[dim umbra]

Burst fire as well

[urban shell]

the hell is an AC/30

[indigo jackal]

On tabletop? A navel gun.

[worn notch]

You can also mount a Long Tom to a mech with the same mod if you can find about 40 tons of space.

Oh wait, not sure what mod that is, not the same equipment mod I have but mine also adds an AC30 among many many other things.

[thorny star]

I also just noticed the SRM-10

[worn notch]

My weapons mod adds LRM racks up to LRM 100

https://tenor.com/view/kill-it-with-fire-missiles-more-missiles-all-the-missiles-megas-xlr-gif-25111969

(they also weigh 40 tons and are completely impractical to actually mount on anything)

[thorny star]

Counterpoint:
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[urban shell]

I swear to god I don't understand why anyone would use ATMs

even on the howl having to deal with lockon bullshit makes them complete garbage

"oh but they aim for you" and even with howl velo boosts it's a 300 m/s projectile that people can dodge by just going back into cover

and that 2k range would be great if anything could get locks at that range, which they can't

and the dps is bad too

[indigo jackal]

Impractical for everything thing except making the Itano Circus look like the Itano Fun Fair.

[urban shell]

I swear lasers are about as handheld and lasers get to be good

lasers get to achieve a basic level of functionality that is not tied to 300 m/s projectiles

[worn notch]

I just found a clan mech in my modded MW5 campaign that mounts ATMs. Not sure if they're any better here. The mech was trashed when I salvaged it so it hasn't finished repairing yet

(I also shouldn't have it yet in 3051 but whoever made the mod messed up a bunch of the introduction dates)

It's also Burton Davion's Orion IIC, from the Republic of the Sphere era, so I DEFINITELY shouldn't have this canonically lmao

[indigo jackal]

I don't really like energy weapons. IDK, maybe because they feel like lack oomph? Like I know they hit hard but there's something viscerally satisfying about about hitting someone with an autocannon shell and watching the sparks fly.

[worn notch]

PPCs feel pretty crunchy. With a mixed armament the main thing I use normal lasers for is severing the troublesome bits off of enemy mechs.

Most Hunchbacks, for example, have most of their armament in the right torso so they get a lot less dangerous when you blast it off with a few Large Laser volleys before they get in range to use their main guns

(the Hunchback 4P is still a fun lightshow with its 8 medium lasers though)

[urban shell]

energy weapons have a lot lower sustained damage (in mwo) and frequently lower DPS which could be the issue

hard to burn out someone's torso in one heatbar like you can with ballistics (XPL builds excluded)

also lasers suffer from damage spread from aim

[urban shell]

ok the sovereign is really busted

[indigo jackal]

there's a free blood asp event in mwo rn

[indigo jackal]

I named by Urbamech is MWO Trashwill. Because it's not just a trashcan, it's will get to you. It might not do much but by god will it get to you.

[worn notch]

One of my favorite things to do in YAML-modded MW5 is shove a bigger engine into an Urbie.

Is it pointless? Yep, but it's funny.

If you get it to go fast enough the walk cycle can't keep up with the speed of the mech so it looks like it's ice skating.

[indigo jackal]

I'm pretty sure I just got killed by a hacker cause I dropped after only like. 72 damage and with my ct armor still yellow, my ct wasn't even gone, I just dropped dead.

[urban shell]

did you get headshot

also outright modifying the server state isn't possible with MWO netcode

[urban shell]

unfortunately it's the Basp prime which is not the best

you can do HAG30s plus ERPPC or whatever which is fine but honestly there's just not a ton of reason to run it S08

and if you're not running it So8 you would be better off running one of the basps with ECM

[indigo jackal]

Even if it's not great, I can sell it, get like, 17 million c-bill to buy a new 'mech and equipment, and keep the free mechslot no?

[urban shell]

yup

but it would have been nice for it to be one of the good variants

and I mean it's still usable

HAG30 high mount plus random arm energy weapons is still functional

but it's not sovereign shitload of ballistic mounts and -20% ballistic CDR, y'know?

it's not an aksum

[teal oasis]

Things have gotten even more ridiculous after I have left huh?

Those honestly sounds like crazy level of quirk

[urban shell]

the sovereign was out when you were playing

its a 48.6 kmh assault with really low arm mounts

its currently overpowered but

I think its notable for being a clan mech with significant quirks since usually clan ballistic boats are just mounts+hardpoints

[teal oasis]

ah

[dim umbra]

I LEAVE ONLY R U B B L E.

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-dreadnought-the-red-dread-shut-gif-6707359205527736195

The Thanatos btw

[alpine ivy]

the thanatos looks fucking awesome
In MW4 it had a really gangsta strut too

The civil war era machines made back in the 2000's had some seriously fantastic "grim warmachine" vibes

Argus, Thanatos, Uziel, Sunder, Bushwacker, and Hellspawn all look brutally utilitarian

[worn notch]

Most IS mechs have that kind of look and I love it, especially after the Reseen design updates.

[dim umbra]

Picture tiiiime~! I realized i amassed quite a few pretty looking mechs!

[worn notch]

Is that a RAC5 on the Marauder torso slot?

[dim umbra]

Why yes! Infact 2!

[worn notch]

https://tenor.com/view/dakka-tabletop-dungeoneers-discord-orcs-irks-gif-22814163

[dim umbra]

IZ GOT DAKKA...Buht iz sloh...vehry slooooow.

[worn notch]

I actually managed to make a Shadow Hawk good. I took the Gray Death hero version and added an LB10X to it. Since YAML lets you switch the shot type on the fly, it's both punchy and incredibly versatile

[dim umbra]

Ohkay so we'z take dis mech thingy, give it DAKKA...but different KINDS of DAKKA, so we can DAKKA ALL THE TOIME!!
[many WAAAAAGHS of approval.]

[worn notch]

Pilot Overhaul+TTRulez AI Mod+Elite Pilots=some pretty funny stuff appearing in the salvage screen sometimes

I never even saw this Atlas

[alpine ivy]

Sometimes they just lock in

[indigo jackal]

Side note I still absolutely adore Kerensky's decree about the Atlas.

[worn notch]

"Make a mech that can kill anything, and scare the shit out of them while it does it"

[thorny star]

Only the latter half really worked out but that's my opinion

[worn notch]

Wdym? The Atlas is probably the best all-round inner sphere assault up until at least the Clan Invasion era.

Other assaults might have more firepower, move faster, or have more armor, but the Atlas does everything pretty well.

[arctic silo]

the urbie is right there... [/j]

[worn notch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/996449339201310751/1300251167040737292/544.jpg?ex=67af3383&is=67ade203&hm=dc223a0e3c58304b8c3deab50e243f3f04eca589ecba595a3e1f77929f0ecff4&

[arctic silo]

NONE of the firepower, NONE of the speed, NONE of the armor, god bless the sphere

[worn notch]

One of my mods, forget which one, adds the Urbanlord. An 80 ton urbie

It's exactly as silly as it sounds

[thorny star]

That's kind of its issue though
It's basically an overweight Shadow Hawk

It has a bunch of guns with completely mis-matched range brackets, and it does best when brawling...
At 3/5 speed

[worn notch]

Ah, I don't play the TTRPG, but in MW5 I usually put an AC20 and SRMs on it and use it as a close range brawler, or sometimes LRMs and an AC10 or Gauss.

[urban shell]

hard disagree imo

the atlas has severe "early battletech syndrome" where all of its variants were made by people who were not very good at mech design

so it ends up being extremely unfocused with really weird problems

[last echo]

3025/3026 was a heck of an era

[urban shell]

if I had to pick a best introtech mech it'd probably be some flavor of banshee

[last echo]

Maybe not the 4/6 one with a PPC and AC/5

[urban shell]

I mean the 3E is actually pretty good for an introtech mech

15 DPR isn't great for an assault but its properly sinked, very well armored, and remarkably potent in melee

[arctic silo]

my first game i just picked a bunch of mechs with names i liked. which ended up being stuff like "longbow" and "yeoman" [:hell:]

[urban shell]

and its 1400 BV

So while any individual 3E is pretty meh esp by later standards, for 3025?

[last echo]

Yeah in 3025 if you were reasonably close to armor cap that was already huge compared to the Jaegermechs of the day

[urban shell]

that being said, best introtech banshee is definitely the 3S

[slim comet]

As much as I love the Timbie, there is a place in my heart for the Atlas, in many of its variants.

[worn notch]

My personal favorite IS assault is the King Crab. I'm a simple man. I see Alakablam, I'm a fan

[slim comet]

King Crab good too.

[last echo]

That one piece of art with the Atlas punching the Warhawk is what I use to sell folks on BattleTech

[slim comet]

Ours is definataly the Cyclops, though the charger (in games whare you can engage in glorious melee) is a decent second

[worn notch]

MW5 has a hilarious highlander with a supercharger and a claymore

Literally a Highlander Highlander

[urban shell]

the atlas is good in mwo because it has ridiculous durability quirks and some good variants

but all of the stock loadouts are trash

[thorny star]

I mean all the stock loadouts are trash period in MWO because the game works differently

Except maybe laservomit Nova

Both because many of the loadouts are from the 3020s/introtech while MWO is
Somewhere comfortably in the 3070s I think?

And because all weapons are pinpoint accurate and can target individual components you want to stack as much damage onto a single point as possible, preferably of the same type

[urban shell]

MWO's time period is flexibly nonspecific

[thorny star]

Yeah, it's 'The Clans are here but we're a bit further ahead in tech'

[urban shell]

I mean even on the tabletop most atlases are not built well

[thorny star]

Well, yes

But even good tabletop mechs don't hold up in MWO

[urban shell]

but also yeah in mwo that translates to extra trash

[thorny star]

The stock MadCat is a mess, for example

The Hunchback is
Okay I like it but it's a torsosnipe magnet

[urban shell]

the 4G is actually "passable" stock because it has the AC20 and not wholly fucked armor

though its still slow, too much rear armor, not enough ammo, etc

[worn notch]

The GI Hunchback is one of my favorite heroes in MW5.

Gauss rifle on a 50 tonner baybee

[urban shell]

oh the gridiron is great

50% gauss cooldown plus 2xLGR and the hunch armor got buffed in the last patch

[thorny star]

Wait did it?
Shit I need to pull it out the garage, I loved playing that thing

[urban shell]

buffed in MWO. The hunch on the 4G, 4H, and GI went to +40 from +28

[thorny star]

Plus Fourty?

Okay, yeah, no, I need to go back to it

[urban shell]

it still gets CT'd a lot

[worn notch]

I hate that PGI can't program pathing AI to save their lives.

Assassinate mission: target is in an atlas, covered by a banshee and a whole bunch of light mechs. I walk up to them with my lance following me (or so I think). Turns out two of them decided to start spinning in place 500m back because lol, lmao

[urban shell]

https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/battletech-hungry-like-the-wolf-by-christina-f-york

...

[worn notch]

"Battletech romance novel" was not on my bingo card

[alpine ivy]

In the Inner Sphere, they make love. In the periphery, they screw. But in the Wolf Empire....
The Khan fucks.

Or something idk I haven't read it

[dim umbra]

Man these guys look SO good just standing there.

And yes i like my laser boat mechs.

Pew Pew!

[worn notch]

https://www.sarna.net/news/bad-mechs-shadow-hawk/

I love these articles

[teal oasis]

Lmao

[alpine ivy]

Shadowhawk is one of those mechs that seriously baffles me on where all the tonnage went

[dim umbra]

"Ay boss, what's the plan?"
"What the f&$k i thought I hired Marauder II's??"

...this was an expensive joke...

Like...60-80 million c-bills expensive, with refiting and upgrading.

Let's just say the mechtech's got paid well.

[worn notch]

Pretty much all variants of the Marauder I and II are incredibly good so it's not exactly a waste of money.

Easily my favorite mechs in 5

I just wish the II was easier to find.

[indigo jackal]

It was the backbone of the SLDF for a reason, 3 marauders is not at all a bad way to blow about 75m c-bills

[worn notch]

I have 3 in my current save file, but my best one (which makes use of dual PPCs and an LB/10X) is still being repaired since the beginning of Rise of Rasalhague after a lucky ammo hit blew it in half right at the beginning of the main DLC campaign.

I'm feeling its absence, too. That DLC is brutal unless you have some extremely good mechs

I want the Bounty Hunter one eventually, but that means grinding rival mercenaries for basically the entire playthrough

[dim umbra]

Why does this think look good...like this's a frankenmech its SUPPOSED to be a P.O.S. i might make this part of my marauder lance now...

[urban shell]

I like it

[alpine ivy]

I AM NORMAL MARAUDER
YOU CAN TRUST ME NEAR THE AMMO DEPOT

[tawdry gyro]

terrifying

[slim comet]

..Is that a Catapult with the arms off a Marauder?

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[dim umbra]

Yeah it's a Marauder with Catapult Missile boxes.

[worn notch]

"We have a Mad Cat at home"

[slim comet]

Discount Raksaha, but actualy good

[indigo jackal]

If you showed this to a Clanner they'd explode.

[slim comet]

Okay, here's the thing: If Timber Wolf was 70 tonnes with its engine, then the Inner Sphere could recreate it as an 80 tonne assault mech. But you cannot make an 85 tonner go 81 without MASC.

The thing about the Rakshasa is not that it was bad, it's that it just wasn't a Timber Wolf. Also it tried to replicate the Timber Wolf at-tonnage, which doesn't work. You need 10 tonnes.

[worn notch]

"The Rakshasa is a Mad Cat assembled in the dark by those denied access to proper tools and education" - Tex

[alpine ivy]

It was a failure in universe, but the Rakshasa isn't too bad in BV balanced games. Just, don't try and 1v1 a Timberwolf.

[slim comet]

Yes, but had it been developed like 20-30 years earlier, it would have been a fantastic design.

[dim umbra]

This's such a funky color scheme, i might just keep it for that alone.

Like, look-a-that ohmuhgod.

[worn notch]

Taking a laser to the head in first person view be like

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blind-flashbang-light-mode-gif-21281004

[indigo jackal]

To be fair it's realistic.

[urban shell]

Stone Rhino/Executioner nerfs

unfortunate because I just bought a sovereign for C-bills but definitely necessary

[lone knot]

The stone rhino nerfs are basically nonexistant tho?

[urban shell]

In aggregate the overall reductions have been pretty big

[lone knot]

-3 armor from the torsos(isnt the total for each like 100?), screen shake reduction(lol lmao even), -20% crit change recieving(the only thing worth noting)

[urban shell]

no total reduction from.their release state

i.e. back when the aksum had -10% heat

[worn notch]

I feel like the Dragon's Gambit Hatamoto Chi is designed to give its pilots a warrior's death and not much else

2 SRM6s do not need that much ammo. Including a half ton for the pilot to sit on

I guess if anyone besides the Clans would design a mech for their pilots to go out honorably in a very large ammo blast, it'd be Kurita

[alpine ivy]

Fuck me, you can see that explosion from orbit.

[worn notch]

I put a 380XL engine in a Mauler. It goes almost 90KPH now. This is what happens when you leave me unsupervised in Modded MW5

[teal oasis]

huh hmm

maybe it's MW5 versions?

because while you sure as heck don't need that much SRM6 ammo in tabletop, in MW5, that's a different case

[worn notch]

Maybe if you're boating SRMs, but I've never had to use more than 2 tons with 2 SRM6s

6.5 tons is just silly

Especially with the pilot sitting on some of it

[slim comet]

Wait. 1 tonne of SRM6 ammo is 8 turns, ain't it?

[worn notch]

In MW5 a ton of SRM ammo is 320 missiles, so 53 volleys and a little bit of change for one launcher

Unless the SRMs are your only weapon, a ton per launcher is more than enough for MW5's relatively short procgen missions.

For the longer DLC missions you could justify taking an extra ton or two, but even then 6.5 tons is waaay overkill (and puts you at risk of ammo explosions since a lot of the DLC missions are brutally difficult, and a mech that gets lost to an ammo explosion will probably be unusable for the entire remainder of the DLC campaign)

I tend to run my ammo-dependent mechs pretty lean to prevent that (especially with YAML since ammo explosions without CASE will almost certainly kill the entire mech)

[teal oasis]

oh, MW5 is 3 times the BT amount

that's, a lot

[worn notch]

Yeah, MW5 loosens a lot of tabletop rules for the sake of playability. Ammo counts are boosted across the board, UAC jams only last a few seconds instead of the entire mission, mechs in your lineup are impossible to lose permanently through battle, etc.

[urban shell]

also for instance MWO doubles ammo counts

everything gets minimum 200 damage/ton

[worn notch]

I haven't done the math, but that might be the case in 5 for everything except the rifles

Though things like the burst and rapid fire variants of autocannons might throw the math off a bit

[alpine ivy]

Ballistics generally want 2+ ammo, as do larger LRMs. SRMs tend to do fine with 1 ton per.

MW5 clans seems to have noticed this and reduced the amount of ammo. Even with the buff patch, I take 4 tons of ammo per LRM 20 in that game.

[worn notch]

I made the mistake of only taking one ton of ammo on my Atlas that rocks an LRM20 Artemis. It worked well for all of one minute

I usually take at least 3 tons of ammo with a UAC5 or an AC20, 2 for most other autocannons.

Though I can't fit enough ammo in the Carapace King Crab no matter what I do. 4 UAC5s make him a hungry boi

Great for very short missions like arena matches and the Duel missions from Coyote's mission pack, though

[dim umbra]

Dual trench blades're fun as hell

Every swing i lop off a new part.

Just need a new paint job...Any suggestions?

OOOOH nvm i like these Hotrod flames.

Kinda wished the flames creeped up the arms a lil more

cuz it's kinda only around the cuffs and the ankles

[worn notch]

My favorite melee mech is the Highlander VEST that the Solaris DLC adds. Arena supercharger (very fast but very short boost), jump jets, an AC20 and a claymore.

It's basically TF2's demoknight build translated to MechWarrior

[indigo jackal]

TF2 demoknight if he also have a elephant gun maybe.

[worn notch]

Some loadouts let you keep either the stickybomb launcher or the grenade launcher (forget which slot the shield goes in) so it still works

[dim umbra]

Demoman with a 4-bore elephant rifle would be sick...if we EVER get new weapons again.

Like: a Single-shot 4 bore rolling-block rifle that does oodles of damage, with the added quirk that you get sent 30 feet in opposite direction you fired in...and you can't randomly crit.

[indigo jackal]

It could be argued since his family is Scottish old money, even having a family castle, he would have one lying around.

[dim umbra]

...oh and make an All-class weapon.

(besides medic, spy and pyro of course.)

[indigo jackal]

NO, the image of a medic running around with a elephant gun instead of his syringe gun fucking kills me. He finally gets that mobility option he needs.

[worn notch]

What the fuck

[worn notch]

I don't think I've ever seen a 20 ton mech with that many machine guns

[last echo]

The real million cbill question is how much ammo it had

[worn notch]

I legged it to try and salvage it and see, but no luck

MGs in MW5 don't need all that much ammo though.

[thorny star]

I mean, neither do they on tabletop, you could easily feed that many MGs for a whole fight with one ton of ammo, possibly even half

[teal oasis]

shame MG in Mechwarrior game never seems to get used for their intended purpose

[worn notch]

5 was originally supposed to have infantry. There's a mod to restore them but they're only halfway implemented and don't fight back.

[teal oasis]

yup....

[worn notch]

There's also that one Crysis mod, but that's the closest we've ever gotten

[teal oasis]

oh right!

yeah that is cool as heck!

if only I don't live on the side of the planet with nobody online...

[dim umbra]

I keep forgetting that MW5 AI can pull through every now and then.

told my team to go stall another lance, my little enemy readout said the enemies chest went from

Lightly damage-RED-DEAD.

In like the span of 5 seconds.

[worn notch]

Yeah, if you tell them to focus a target, especially if they're high level pilots, that target will be gone in pretty short order

[alpine ivy]

I use ai mods as a rule so i get it a little better than vanilla. Regardless, the AI with a few levels can land some pretty nasty shots with PPCs

Once you get good ballistic and energy rated npcs, mechs with bad cockpit hitboxes like the Zeus or Nightstar just disintegrate

[worn notch]

I think I have more headshots on Battlemasters than anything else

[worn notch]

what the fuck

[dim umbra]

An urbanmech...with a GAUSS RIFLE?!

Where're they getting that extra 8-ish tons of weight from?

[worn notch]

The endo structure and ferro armor

[alpine ivy]

You can fit an AC/20 and 1 (one) ton of ammo on a succ wars tech urbie so you only need to find one more ton to work with - 1.5 tons here since the small laser has also been upped.

[lone knot]

Just put it in a firestarter, I have a heavy gauss in mine B)

[worn notch]

That's just an even glassier Hollander at that point

[fervent moat]

LMAO heavy gauss firestarter?

I step out for a while and come back to whatever the FUCK abomination you guys just built lol

[prime mauve]

I had to check the Hollander, and even that uses a 45 tonner for HGauss.

*(Hollander II)

[worn notch]

And even that tends to push itself over from the recoil

A firestarter would propel itself across the battlefield

[urban shell]

Its so fucking cursed

Stripped down to the bare metal

[thorny star]

Because the Hollander was too safe to pilot

[lone knot]

we just strip armor from the unimportant bits like both arms and the head and the torso that doesnt have the heavy gauss

[urban shell]

@lilac shadow new clan?

[urban shell]

bang bang! pew pew!

[urban shell]

Holy shit blanners got buffed

+18 armor on all locations including both torso front and back

[teal oasis]

blanner?

oh black lanner

oh yes it needs that

[urban shell]

this looks ridiculous

[teal oasis]

that's... heavy level of defense right?

[urban shell]

that's unskilled

with skills

but also yeah its about as tanky as a black knight or other 70 tonner

and has a shitload of rear armor for back tanking

[teal oasis]

you don't even need to put points into rear armor anymore

yes most people would say putting points there is stupid but I like having some protection instead of getting immediately crit to death by a light I didn't see

[gusty steeple]

a addlre is a light mech with two ppcs, it will flank you, and your back armor will not enjoy the feeling of two ppcs on your back

[urban shell]

The blanner can soak two ppcs to the back

21 rear armor after skills

[sage atlas]

considering this build for my cyclops

any suggestions?

[urban shell]

Drop the AMS, in general it seems kinda unfocused, why DHS?

mixed range bands aren't great in general

Also artemis guidance on LRMs always

As far as IS missile boats personally I think tbolts are better in general and the longbow is a better platform for those in specific

[urban shell]

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=5761926b_CP-10-Q

This is probably closer to how I'd build a 10Q for LRM gameplay but you'd really be better off with a longbow 12C

Similar weapons load but better offensive quirks

Feel free to ask if you have questions about decisions I made on this mech

[sage atlas]

tysm, i really want to do a cyclops though as it is my favourite mech, so far (one match so no real testing yet) it has served me well for how i want to play (a bit more slow paced from the back but still with the ability to defend myself if need be) the original loadout did have thunderbolts but i didn't like how they felt so i wanted to swap them out, but ill look into trying them out again if they are good for what i want to do

[urban shell]

Thunderbolts in my opinions are LRMs that actually kill things

They're considerably faster and have a much tighter spread

[sage atlas]

ok good to know, should i still use artemis on thunderbolts?

[urban shell]

Tbolts dont get artemis

if you're trying to replicate the build, hit export in mechdb and that'll give you a build code you can copy paste into the mwo import dialog

[sage atlas]

i do kinda wanna keep the snubnose but something like this would be a "better" version of my last build

[urban shell]

move the ammo to the legs and ct

Also the snubs arent getting you anything

Snubs are short range weapons, tbolts are mid to long range weapons

And its undergunned

[sage atlas]

so what would you recommend for self defence

[urban shell]

also nitpick you have an extra half ton that could be half a ton of ammo

[sage atlas]

true i forgot

[urban shell]

positioning in the team so you don't have lights diving you

Also thunderbolts do half damage inside 150 so you're not completely helpless

But really needing "self defence" weapons is a failure of positioning

[sage atlas]

alr

[urban shell]

Also also you really should be running DHS

Because DHS boosts the heat dissipation of your engine sinks as well

[sage atlas]

(i should have mentioned i have only played MW:O for 10h so i have very little clue what im doing)

[urban shell]

SHS is very niche basically just for 4xLXPL assaults

[urban shell]

Yeah don't worry that much about it the mechlab is a very complicated thing

If you want a collection of "meta" builds this: https://grimmechs.isengrim.org

Is my usual starting point though they don't have a lot of LRM/tbolt builds

Imo if you like the lurmer gameplay you should try a LGB-12C because it is very good rn

[urban shell]

Also read this because ghost heat is explained precisely nowhere ingame and its the upper limit on a lot of weapon combos

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/wiki/ghost-heat

[sage atlas]

thats actually great to know

alr ill check out the longbow

would you happen to have a build for it by any chance?

[urban shell]

Not immediately handy

I think I ran 2xTB20 4xTB5 TAG XL300 and ~2k potential of ammo

[urban shell]

Its pretty gross

Esp on maps where you can pop up, fire one volley direct, then drop back behind cover and fire two indirect

Repeat until opponent dead

[urban shell]

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=eff3aed9_LGB-12C

something along these lines

You can strip the arms further to fit more ammo since thats kind of a player skill and lifespan question

Imo the xl is unavoidable without going down to really painful speeds

Lock onto light mechs and watch them vanish

60 damage torso seeking volleys

I've seen it oneshot fleas from the front

Downside your farm numbers are theoretically a bit lower but your missiles actually hit what you shoot them at so ymmv

[sage atlas]

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=4689fbcb_CRB-27B so i want to invest into a crab this is the best ive got SO FAR, suggestions?

[urban shell]

don't run a crab

there are better 50 tonners out there

this could have been a blanner, for instance

[urban shell]

1. You're under tonnage. That's mass that could have gone into an engine or more/larger guns
2. Mixed range bands. At a distance one ERLL isn't doing anything and up close one ERLL is just a waste of heat. Bracket builds are good on the tabletop but they're not good here.
3. BAP. You're not running lockons, you don't need a BAP.
4. CT isn't fully armored. Always, always fully armor your CT and STs

I will strip my head armor before I strip my torsos

[sage atlas]

yeah i fixed it later

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=19b6bc98_CRB-27B

this is the design i ended up with in the end

[urban shell]

if you're not running ERLLs the CRB-20 does it better

or the CRB-27SL if you want jumpjets

[sage atlas]

ok i didnt know that

[urban shell]

oh I guess you gain some hardpoints going with the 27B

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=28a0cfc8_CRB-27B

that being said IMO there are better mechs for MPL spam, particularly IS MPL spam

the blanner just got a ridiculous buff and has a 6xcMPL boat build

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=40c6f780_HBK-4P

you could run it on the HBK-4P and its a lot more durable and has better alpha

[sage atlas]

i kinda wanna do the crab though as much like the cyclops its one of my favourite mechs

[urban shell]

fair

its got good hitboxes

short version is if in doubt use the grimmechs build

[teal oasis]

fellow crab enjoyer, dunno was the meta, haven't played in a long while, but crab is really just so damn tanky

[urban shell]

Rn part of the problem is that the blanner is fucking nuts

[gusty steeple]

embrace the nova

[urban shell]

Imo the best nova is the 4xPAC2 prime

Good range and super farmy

[gusty steeple]

on clans i been using the one that is nothing BUT small lazers

can melt some assault mechs very well

[urban shell]

oh I'm talking MWO

very different environemtn

[teal oasis]

well, I'm redownloading MWO after... how long this time? a year?

yup, a year

let's see if the game got better than last year or I'm just being masochistic again.

[teal oasis]

oh my god yup, this game is pain but also it's so much fun sometimes when people does something unpredictable

got an event queue using the classic forest map which sucks ass, due to all the open terrain

holding a corner because I can't do shit in a SRM LBX 20 Orion IIC, and then got basically ambushed by the entire enemy team, but they did it one by one so i was able to take most of them on

I also didn't realised there's an underground part of the map so when I got shot at by a Phoenix Hawk in a bush, I just shouted 'NINJA'

killed a cicada because it ain't taking all the SRM head on, pheonix hawk followed, then I got attacked by a Night Gyr, or I thought A Night Gyr

because that part of the map is so dark, I didn't realise I got ambushed by 2 Night Gyr and absolutely mauled both of them for my teammates to finish them off because I'm dead

I only realised it, because I got more KMDD than I thought

[teal oasis]

why is the login screen is still the Longbow even after so many new mechs have came out?

that confused me the most

[worn notch]

Because:

https://tenor.com/view/kill-it-with-fire-missiles-more-missiles-all-the-missiles-megas-xlr-gif-25111969

(Intrusive thought: a Longbow equivalent of that Kuritan Catapult that swaps out the missile racks for PPCs)

[urban shell]

Dont have the dev resources to make a new one

[urban shell]

#1159998642531356693 message

Specific thing for the crab is that it has really good hitboxes

So you can shoot then twist like 15-30 degrees to shield a weak ST

The BKL-A 4xPC is really gross though

Extremely cold, very fast, ridiculously well armored

not even that undergunned

[teal oasis]

Oh, 4pc black lanner works?

I want to try something with plasma cannons now that it's not as godawful as it was initially, guess I will buy another black lanner

[urban shell]

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=2a9deb76_BKL-A

Is fun

[teal oasis]

argh, MWo server is really hanging by a thread huh?

my mech camo sometimes just not render when I'm customizing them

[urban shell]

oh yeah don't worry about that

[astral oak]

Is the new Ghost Bear game any good?

[sage atlas]

so whats a good heavy laser boat brawler mech?

[slim comet]

How many of what size are you thinking?

[sage atlas]

eh lets say as MANY M-pulse lasers as possible

[slim comet]

Wait wait wait, heavy laser as in HxL, or heavy laser as in 55-75t?

I thought you meant the first.

[sage atlas]

yes 55 to 75 t mechs

couldve worded that better

[slim comet]

How about 9 at 81?