Battletech/Mech Warrior

[jade kettle]

that i love

[fervent moat]

yeah that's honestly valid

I'm dropping the oldschool queer mech right now, good ol heavy metal

testing silver bullet + 2 HPPC, it's...okay

ngl I think the whole highlander meta is overrated

but my aim isn't as cracked as some people's

[teal oasis]

I got the ac20 highlander and I have been cracking mechs open

Seems like everyone keel making mid range build, I just go in and blasting people apart upclose instead

[fervent moat]

highlanders have crazy torso speed, their hitboxes are risky but the agility makes them into pretty great brawlers

Last solaris event I took an AC20+snub+SRM highlander and did quite well because of that, they spread damage surprisingly well

I do recommend skilling torso speed on any brawling assault tho

[sacred thicket]

Any tips for using YAML in MW5? it seems to be the top 1 mod for the game but I always fear it might break the game in sense of balance

[urban shell]

game's already broken don't sweat it

[sacred thicket]

PFFF fair.
I finished the campaign and did the free campaign (forgot the name) almost a year ago
So hey will be fun to start a new run

[urban shell]

https://mwomercs.com/news/2024/05/2859-bullshark-preorder-here

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[fervent moat]

WOW. That's interesting as fuck with the anger from Catalyst over the rights to the Bullshark.

Does this mean Bullshark is canon for realsies for realsies now?

(for those who don't know there was a mess last year about people posting bullsharks, the pride anthology cover got a pass but tabletop models do not; as far as I know that's because Paradox owns the rights to the design)

(and Paradox is pretty much PNG with the rest of the industry)

so it's gonna be IS tech

also wow that is TINY, with those hitboxes and those quirks that's going to be really strong, especially the hero

[urban shell]

it looks really good

I wish it had the thumper but it looks fucking sick

[urban shell]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/542472842806034435/1236037495200677949/image.png?ex=66368d1f&is=66353b9f&hm=5fd0bf4d17df20a5f6c890b97652acb21ca75636f632ccaf377482b50446c2b5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[fervent moat]

wow that is a way wider CT than I expected for recent MWO designs

that might be wider than the stone rhino >_>

[teal oasis]

Also finally, patch sale and... It's nothing I want

[teal oasis]

well, got an orion iic anyway, mostly because this thing has a speed quirk despite being a 75 tonner heavy

so of course I got one that let me shoves in lbx 20 and 4 srm6 art while moving at 83 goddamn kph

this is gonna be a monster, as long a I can get into short range

[fervent moat]

yeah wow what a low end sale

that orion sounds kinda silly tho

[dim umbra]

How do i build this thing? I stupidly spent 1.2 million C-bills on it and i wanna get my money's worth.

[teal oasis]

yeah it's erm... it's a quickdraw, not much you can get out of it

[urban shell]

Lostech and armor basically

Otherwise stripping the arms can give you some tonnage back

[jade kettle]

ultrasun spider nuts too

[slim comet]

So er, first match in this thing in a while, and second match back.. Oops?

[alpine ivy]

Upgraded SRMs with +damage give astounding backstab potential. Look for those in shops and loot rewards and stuff them on the badboy.

[fervent moat]

Welcome back Josie nice match

[teal oasis]

I was wondering why i don't like the sunspider, but once I take it out, I realise why, this thing is fucking cursed

I dunno why, but it looks good on paper, but everytime I take it, I always get cursed fucking game

whether that teammates using unorthodox ass strategy, or enemy just focus me down for no fucking reason

it's a fucking eggshell of a mech, goddammit

[prime mauve]

the small "arms" seem to really leave the torso exposed

[teal oasis]

literally everytime I take it, the assaults are either stupid fucking sniper assault, or enemy will stare at me even when 3 fucking direwolves are pummeling their ass in front of them

I use fucking black colour to reduce my visible profile but nothing works

pretty sure the only time I see a sunspider is when I use a sunspider at all, they are rare as shit

[jade kettle]

My uac2 sunny fucks insanely

Best played at the edge of effective range in enfilade

I had it with hag30+20 for a bit but I found the uac mode more effective

[urban shell]

I run a 4x ERPPC ambush

but yeah the quad UAC2 build leaves something to be desired

[teal oasis]

I use my Vanguard variant with 2 UAC 10 and 1 ER PPC

everyone and I mean everyone seems to know which side torso to shoot at

[urban shell]

Tbolt nerfs

I'm thoroughly unsurprised though honestly I was expecting worse

[teal oasis]

yeah, they were uber boosted last patch

probably test out how good it works if they were given max buff

now they are adjusting it for what would be the standard

also victor and highlander iic getting the deserved jumpjet buff

now I might actually be interested in getting a victor

[slim comet]

I saw a Hunchback IIC with.. 2 pAC/8s and 2 ERSLs? WTF was that guy doing?!

I did some testing.. This guy must have a 275XL in it for it to vaguely make sense.

[fervent moat]

I play Vanguard with that build too and feel you dragonkid

It used to feel SO GOOD even in very strong lobbies, now it's just dead.

I think a big part of that has been the meta shift away from center mass and towards disabling side torsos

if EVERYONE plays side loaded shielding builds, everyone knows to expect them

and if 90% of the game nascars and plays right side loaded builds, rule 1 is you shoot their right torso

I gather you're getting this from the cauldron discord? I don't see a patch preview live right now

[urban shell]

Ye

[slim comet]

..Is this why running symmetrical (or semi-symmetrical) loadouts makes me sometimes survive more?

[fervent moat]

Yeah I'm not in there there are certain things going on as we know

Yeah it might actually be somewhat that and I'm actually fighting that having a bigger center torso hitbox isn't as much of a downside anymore for the same reason

These guys just hard luck they don't have any game sense so they're not going to think about that

The other reason however is because symmetrical builds usually revolve around very high mounts so you're exposing less

You can also see this trend evolve if you look back at grim tier lists and competitive meta games over the past 10 years

You can almost see the breaking point where nobody considers Mount height or spread anymore because the second you expose one pixel you get hit

So you see stuff like the ebon Jaguar come back but this time running UAC 10s or even fives and theoretically choices like the three LPL timberwolf fall out

I'm not entirely sure why about the timberwolf I think it's agility related but it's hard to really understand that choice

I think we're going to see the Highlander meta continue to evolve if more jump jet buffs make it to live

Right now I don't feel like most assaults are remotely viable especially clan assaults except in sniping roles

Hopefully this starts to broaden things a little bit but I think what we're going to see more of is jump sniping rather than jump brawling

[jade kettle]

my ebon jag always gets cored

even when i do good rounds if i die og itll all be ct damage

pristine arms and sides

[fervent moat]

ya it's got a pretty wide CT and very limited durability.

[urban shell]

Bizarrely my tbolt 50 stalker is actually putting up decent numbers

I hate to say it but this might be an okay lockon

Also I should get a 4HP, seems fun

[slim comet]

Is that.. 2xTBolt 20 + 1x TBolt 10, or 5x TBolt 10?

[fervent moat]

I've been putting up good games with 9x tbolt 5 archer, but only on very specific maps.

it's useless on maps with lots of vertical cover and missile evasive positions

[fervent moat]

well, the twitch clip ALREADY got dmcaed but my 3 unit mates and I got this from sean lang along with a few slurs.

Fucking cheater. 4 headcaps right off the peek with no UAVs in play.

I'm gonna set up an ATTV bot to see if I can get an exported clip so he can't DMCA it in under 30 seconds

also, if he files a dcma on something I've exported, I am going to call my buddies and we're going to drop the fucking hammer on him like we did on brotholomew 😛

(he's up on federal charges)

I am sick of these chuds.

rac2 marauder super underwhelming btw

dmca abusers make me sick

[urban shell]

4321

20,15,10, 5

Though I made some adjustment s and upgunned to 20, 15, 15, 5 because I'm a sucker for more tubes

[fervent moat]

More tubes more better.

That is the first thing to always remember when boating missiles

#freethewhoosh

[teal oasis]

is that guy really using Sean Lang's name except it's Sean Lang_ with an extra space?

I seen that trick used by a couple copycats before, it's just weird

[slim comet]

Hold on, is your response to false DMCAs to get the US federal police involved? Because if so, I commend you.

[fervent moat]

Falsifying a DMCA record is a federal criminal offence. I have been trying to get one of these counter-claims to court for 14 years with no luck but I will keep fucking trying.

and no you don't need a door kick with a bunch of cops it's a white collar crime 😛

and no, it's the real Sean Lang.

I've been suspicious of him for years but he's not super blatant about it usually

but apparently he was dropping with this Russian unit that well, they're the Russian gamer stereotype alright 😛

As far as good players to watch who are legit check out Data as far as I know he never cheated just exploited a LOT of bugs and played the very fringe of what was legal by the rules. Which is legal.

The difference between bug abuse and cheating is really just what the ref says about it, but eh

the only rulebook we have is, uh, the rulebook.

I'm thinking I'm going to start hitting up roguetech again to get my battletech fix

I gotta see what the Cat Council is up to, if we're memeing this season

or if the blueskis poked the bear and we have to spend the whole season reminding Steiner that if they touch us we will spend an entire season beating the piss out of them

I still remember the one time Steiner did that and actually started WINNING, the admins were like "wtf is going on" and banned like 8 people for cheating. 😛

"there's no way Steiner beats Canopus like that Steiner is too obsessed with fighting on 15 fronts at once"

and it turned out some guys were illegally multiboxing 😛

[urban shell]

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=e6268193_UM-R68

this.........is bad

it doesn't work

[fervent moat]

lol

that looks bad.

I don't even know what I'd do with an r68 at all, but not that.

[jade kettle]

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=e2b0fdf9_UM-R68 this maybe?

at this point id use the mpls as my main weapon and the thunderbolts when i dont have a shot

you could maybe go down to mls and up the thunderbolt gunnage a bit but

idk i think itd probably be better w/ srms or mrms tho

oh i forgot to max armor on the laser arm

[fervent moat]

yeah idk I think if i played that mech it probably is just MPLs and then whatever SRMs I can fit or something

or maybe rockets

though tbh rockets are a waste of time right now the hitreg is awful

[urban shell]

I stuck a MRM40 on it

[jade kettle]

yeah i made mrm and srm versions in the editor and it seemed a lot more versatile and synergistic

mpls and srms have the exact same ideal range

plus with srms it could do like 45 point alphas and carry enough missiles to dunk 1600ish damage

[urban shell]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/496545423167848448/1238325877385728070/image.png?ex=663ee058&is=663d8ed8&hm=e33a1a353240862ed7182f671d6a6f48134cf2fb41fde7c3c60b94f49851498c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1618&height=910

ok tbolts might need a nerf

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=1521a216_STK-3H

actually ran out of ammo

[fervent moat]

lol

yeah they're gonna revert the buffs

[urban shell]

I don't think they're going to revert because tbolts were awful prebuff

but the nerf that's on the books seems reasonable

[fervent moat]

I thought the nerf coming down was just reverting the buffs? Is it less than that?

[urban shell]

260 and widened spread

but still better than the 190 and really wide spread it had before

[teal oasis]

just a touch less

[slim comet]

I wonder, does the SB Gauss have any particular use?

[teal oasis]

they are gauss rifle but faster charging and cooldown I think

[jade kettle]

with the right quirks and talents it pops off

the real effective range is somewhat lower than advertised due to fairly wide spread tho

but anything with strong cooldown quirks will get a more ac-like rate of fire

[fervent moat]

yeah. They're very fast, and charge quickly.

they also do not ghost heat with PPCs, leading to a fairly popular HPPC+SB Gauss build on the Heavy Metal highlander hero

[teal oasis]

so essentially, SB Gauss is good, but you gotta partner it with something else instead of just using it on its own

which erm...kinda explain why my dual SB gauss Thanatos is not doing so hot...

[fervent moat]

I've actually been running it on stealth thanny myself, but stealth thannys just aren't good

[jade kettle]

on desperada you can run sb+lppcs with minimal heat and it seems good but im not great at coordinating click release and click in one go for maximal pinpointing

and anyway the 4ll desperada fucks

[teal oasis]

oh my fucking gooooood

I was hearing about a sale so I was a bit excited, and then it turns out it's a goddamn hero mech sale

I WANT MECH DISCOUNT

FUCK YOU, YOU GODDAMN DIAMOND SHARK

[sacred thicket]

Is the atlas cockpit suppose to be... bended like this?

[urban shell]

yeah'

you're in the left eye

[urban shell]

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=a40b4d94_ANH-MB

current obsession

[fervent moat]

lol that was me a couple years ago doing big roguetech things and discovering the pirate TBM30

no, it's not actually an even bigger missile, it's more fun than that, it's a ROTARY TBM10 😛

!!fun!!, just add inferno

[teal oasis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KusQXrnQXC8 oh this looks like a pretty good guide

[fervent moat]

yeah his map notes are excellent

[fervent moat]

I will say some of the recommended sniping spots do not work with legal clients as there is a fixed draw distance limit.

_>

Mostly on mining collective where he's sniping back to back 😛

still good for hosing people in the middle.

[fervent moat]

Huh. Apparently defog is NOT bannable anymore? Waiting on official response.

because infinite draw distance sniping is still a major exploit

but if it's legal I'll post a config guide

[teal oasis]

???

It's just around a kilometer? You can still see to that distance

[sacred thicket]

ooooh! Man that's trippy, thank ya

[urban shell]

Err right eye

[fervent moat]

dark corner to dark corner? It's like 1900

dark corner to top platform yeah 100% you can see that

[teal oasis]

nobody would shoot someone on the other side of the circle

you don't even deal damage at that point

[fervent moat]

clan gauss 50% falloff is well over 2k

I still remember watching jgx do this with double dires in a tournament

with ER larges even

I think it was the reddit invitational because I don't think current MWC rules allow two 100t

also I got it confirmed, defogger = illegal, render-all = legal

so sniping outside obfuscation distance on maps that do not have hard fog lines is totally legal. If they do it on maps with fog planes, they're cheating.

if I remember right the maps without fog planes are mining, manifold, tourmaline, and I think all the snow maps except hibernal, but I'm pretty sure you can always see across hibernal because it's so small.

also lmao ceres has so many fucking fog planes you just can never see anything

I'm looking at it in testing right now and oh god why did they let this map get released in this state it is so broken

[teal oasis]

Merctech mod for MW5 honestly feels like 'Okay, okay, this is good, this is...good, can you stop? Can you fucking stop'

It now just morphed into something I can no longer recognize

I just want a mod where you can get different variations of the same weapon for different feels and you just, what the fuck is going on anymore

[fervent moat]

lol

[jade kettle]

i have a pilot trapped in superposition between death and life, still able to sortie on missions

a 621 cameo, perhaps

[fervent moat]

lol oop

[jade kettle]

imagine being crushed to death in the wreckage of your fleet vehicle but you still gotta show up to work the next day

truly mechwarrior is just an allegory for Society....

[fervent moat]

mood

[urban shell]

bull shark is upon us!

[teal oasis]

hmm yes

[urban shell]

goose

[teal oasis]

gotta be honest, really feeling a lack of energy on MWO in the first half of the year, it felt like there's nothing

[fervent moat]

yeah

the latest mess with our unit and seanlang has really got me pissed at pgi right now

[urban shell]

New weapons, new mechs?

[teal oasis]

yes, but also just a lack of events

...lack of event that last longer than a week

the new mechs are fun, but they are gonna take a long while to get here

for those that don't spend money that often

I dunno, I guess I'm just a bit tired of waiting

[urban shell]

I mean the new weapons are pretty good imo

[teal oasis]

I guess I'm the kind of people that kinda needed event to get motivated

so if there isn't one, I just kinda don't really use the new stuff

[urban shell]

absolute zero is unbalanced as shit

I kinda love it and kinda despise it

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=4b946100_CRD-6T

[teal oasis]

it's stupid lmao

though the best build isn't actually beam spam, I found my ac 20 triple snub thanatos capable of mauling anything upclose like a walking shotgun

[urban shell]

the 14 MXPL build just eats people

42 DPS

[teal oasis]

it's the crusader 6t isn't it?

crusader is a 'unique' case...

[teal oasis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CIobDJeEWc mechwarrior clan coming on october

[alpine ivy]

I'm actually kinda optimistic

I mean I'm thinking back the MW4's opening and it's glorious cheese, and it still pulls off a strong emotional beat

With earnest voice actors and some fun mechanics violence most of your story's vibes are there

[teal oasis]

thought I was gonna be rusty after not playing for a while, did this one a double snub vindi

oh my god hahaha

[teal oasis]

july free mech event, two of them

it's just nova prime and catapult k2, both I already have, so I'm just gonna sell them

[teal oasis]

jesus christ that was some of the more intense moment I got in a game

I was in a Crusader full of SRM so I cannot contribute to the mid range fight that was occuring, so I get ready in position when the enemy inevitably crashed in

the moment that happened, a SL Nova comes in and legged me, and I thought, this is it

then I finished off the nova, struggled to jump back into cover to not get my other leg blown off, looked at my seismic (EXACTLY why I put it on all of my mechs) for enemy location, and blast SRM at anyone that got too close

I saw a thunderbolt going on my right, I turned so slow and blasted it apart, and then another hunchback comes in, and then a highlander, a grasshopper.

I realised I somehow survived all that, looked at radar for more enemy and saw a LRM rhino just right there, slowly dragged my broken leg towards it, a Nova comes it and cut me in half, I thought I was dead, then I remember I was in the ECM Crusader and I put light engine in that, the fucker shut down in front of me and I keep firing SRM until it's dead.

it was so intense that I didn't even notice I accidentally killed a teammate in the middle of that brawl

that was like, what? 2 minutes?

maybe less

I was like actually screaming "COME ON! COME ON! GET IT!"

[copper tinsel]

Lol, I love situations like that

[teal oasis]

oh wow, I just woke up and found out the entire urbanmech event happened when I was sleeping and I only have 3 hours of it left

amazing

[mild surge]

hi so im pretty new to mechwarrior/battletech and while playing the turtorial and found out i cant fire alpha strike, so my question is how do you fire alpha strike/ rebind keys as it wont let me

[teal oasis]

if you are playing the Mechwarrior game, weapons are assigned to a weapon group, with you mouse usually firing the first one, so you gotta press other number for other weapon groups

[teal oasis]

though you are probably MW4 and erm.... don't know how to do that one, I haven't played it since forever

[mild surge]

Yeah, i was playing mechwarrior online and going through the tutorial and everything went smoothly up until it told me to shoot with all my weapons at once, it told me it was bound to "" but it didn't work

[teal oasis]

that's, weird, I think you should just check the keybind and see if it's missing a key or something

[mild surge]

it wont let me rebind keys tho

[teal oasis]

that's... weird

yeah I'm not sure what to do here

[mild surge]

ill just play mechwarrior then that seems to be working fine for me

[urban shell]

You can map all your weapons to one fire group

Arrow keys and iirc right control

[teal oasis]

oh yeah, finally foudn this thing after suddenly remembering it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fMhczzzEqE

it's a very old fangame made by someone in blender

and honestly

it looks like the closest thing there is to how fighting feels like in Battletech

[teal oasis]

PGI forgot patch sale again

[teal oasis]

patch sale is finally here, I now went from 50 million to broke

bought a ecm raven, another hatchetman, all the phoenix hawk, and then another shadowcat and 2 vipers

[urban shell]

guys I fucking hate faction play

300 damage across four mechs

that's basically one alpha per mech

[teal oasis]

yeah I just don't touch them, as much as I want the event reward

[urban shell]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/530587267018915851/1255006582048166039/image.png?ex=667b8f76&is=667a3df6&hm=3eaea4a5166b43d9508008c3eb2463147bf617cc3d70399bc041dfda70d87b17&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1618&height=910

this thing kinda slaps

[urban shell]

aksum noises

[teal oasis]

my god, finally, the summer lootbag event is up

[teal oasis]

okay yeah just

not really feeling it for MWO right now it seems

like I dunno, I guess I got everything I wanted, so even having 4 more heroes doesn't really appeal to me because I'm just gonna be grinding for their skill anyway

[jade kettle]

rly satisfying damage number

idr if i did this in a crab or a tbolt but both are laserboats, so thats how i got a rly specific number ig

[craggy silo]

i'm looking for a new mech. thinking of something light or medium with a low profile, with JJs for poptarts and mobility and AC2s/LL for long to medium range skirmishing.

anyone have any recs?

[urban shell]

AC2s probably shouldn't poptart

Also, HBK-2C-A lasvom?

[teal oasis]

Heard the Vapor Eagle is pretty good at poptarting, but I never had one because they never seem to be on discount

[urban shell]

I'd say for a 50 ton mech, that's pretty good

[teal oasis]

ah, Grid Iron, I had fun using it to pump out heavy gauss rifle slug like crazy

unfortunately, heavy gauss is still heavy gauss, there's probably a more practical build out there

[urban shell]

2xLGR

[teal oasis]

ah

[urban shell]

https://youtu.be/KVK5YOS0634?si=PdBUHNMLDVW7_WdB

Partialwingpartialwingpartialwing

[teal oasis]

Whuh

[urban shell]

Two new legends with partial wings

long jump mechs

[urban shell]

@indigo jackal forgot to ping you for this btw but we do have a dedicated BT/MWO channel

[indigo jackal]

Oh nice

[indigo jackal]

I know it's probably a bit early to be thinking about it but I really wonder what Mechwarrior six will bring. I kind of doubt it will go back to mercenaries formula, but at the same time I kind of want that? Like imagine playing a merc in the inner sphere doing your thing, probably on a revenge quest, when the outside context problem that is The Clans shows up.

[teal oasis]

I don't want randomly generated map shit, just give us a set campaign

[fervent moat]

I'm mostly hoping PGI gets yoinked back in and given a proper re-welcoming to Microsoft (a pile of pink slips) before then

put Russ on the bus. Then make a game with less ego.

Past that? I want ilClan Era

2, 3, and 4 were on the leading edges of battletech storytelling

Let's put a game in the current writing era

I know I have a lot of books to catch up on but I think it's a fairly good era, they seem to be prepping to give Clan Mary Sue a nuclear sendoff

which I would love

[fervent moat]

I just had an ENTIRE LOBBY recite a nazi manifesto at me then call me ignorant saying "everyone I don't like is a nazi"

welp

fuck PGI even more, when we get a company that isn't run by nazi bastards I'll care about mechwarrior again, until then thankfully Catalyst is awesome.

[teal oasis]

geez...

[fervent moat]

yeah I'm pissed at pgi again I was hoping to have a nice experience with some dope and mwo

but The Gamers Aren't Alright

Nazi bar analogy, really

[urban shell]

out of curiosity, do you have any kind of video recording software?

[fervent moat]

Yeah, of course, I've got a bunch of stream vods of this stuff.

[urban shell]

afaik if you send PGI a clip they work pretty fast

[fervent moat]

I don't generally spin it up midgame

huh. I'd be surprised if they'd act on a whole lobby

and I have HOURS of vods of their golden boy seanlang cheating

they've seen them

[urban shell]

at least the last time I saw someone send tiyos video of a hacker it got acted on pretty fast

[fervent moat]

Huh that's pretty good. I might try again.

I'm very sure their biggest streamer will get special treatment but maybe a bunch of shitty nazis won't.

Still, I don't see myself coming back or endorsing their products if I have to mass report ENTIRE LOBBIES

but thanks for the support ❤️

yall are the best three person mwo group out left

the rest of my unit all uninstalled over the past year

[urban shell]

it is interesting to listen because I've never run into the stuff you're describing

so maybe it's a specific segment of the playerbase I just don't encounter

don't get me wrong I believe that it's happening I've just never seen it get that bad

[fervent moat]

yeah I'm not entirely sure WHY I get these lobbies that are a literal trump rally

and I know PGI was banning them but they just slap em on the wrist, 2-3 day ban, bakc they go

[jade kettle]

they sniped a dude who named himself varg vikernes within 30 minutes of me sending an email

theyve done some weaksauce shit too (forcing my friend to change their name from femboy dilf) but they'll shoot the nazis for sure

[jade kettle]

which streamer is it btw

[fervent moat]

Sean lang ngng

[jade kettle]

glad that one is a literally who for me lmfao

[fervent moat]

Yeah not having heard of anybody in the MWO community is ABSOLUTELY a positive, except for dragonkid cos his videos are great.

not having heard of me is probably also even good. Fuck it. I don't want to exist.

[jade kettle]

anyone get the LAMs today

my homie picked up the champion and it seems decent, kinda worried that the phoenix hawk will shake out pretty mid tho

it has the locked wing thing that gives it a wider ct hitbox, making xl engines extra dicey on a mech that already has pretty limited tonnage for weapons so 😬

[teal oasis]

wait it's out, weren't those in testing?

[urban shell]

Out today

[jade kettle]

yeah they dropped earlier, ive seen a bunch of the champion already

[slim comet]

Sounds about right for LAMs TBH

Rhizome ↩️

[Reply to:](#1159998642531356693 message) it has the locked wing thing that gives it a wider ct hitbox, making xl engines extra dicey on a mec…

[fervent moat]

Nah but I'm starting yet another tabletop company 😛

Raven Alliance is go!

[slim comet]

Wanna note here.. Those aren't actually LAMs, they're Partial Wings which are equipment.

Karth'thel (She/Her) [Ilkay] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1159998642531356693 message) Sounds about right for LAMs TBH 📎

[dim umbra]

https://youtu.be/I3_yeRg432o?si=-ZYXq6M7x4X0RR58 A mech made for longer range city-based combat, but with the spirit of...SCOTISH PROWESS I guess.
it became such a deadly close-range Assault mech, it even got a technique named after it.
The Highlander Burial. Where you use it's jump jets to launch way up into the Air and LAND on the enemy mech! Burying the mech like a hammer to a coffin nail!

[slim comet]

The generic term is DFA, but the Highlander Burial is a fantastic variant on it.

[fervent moat]

I''m just gonna drop this bomb and dip

The society is just 4clan.

[urban shell]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/443335523575136258/1283939964962476042/image.png?ex=66e4d1c6&is=66e38046&hm=86166b819ac333b8704adf57b3f10da1064c2714d126a12172927cbff2bf709a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

heavy breathing

[fervent moat]

HAHAHAHAHA I told everybody in 2012 they had the codebase to do autocannon and SRM ammo types. 😛

It was never an "engine limitation"

now they want to gate it to a special equipment on a legend? LIARS, give me proper LBXes!

[urban shell]

Still cant switch ammo types in match

One way or the other

[fervent moat]

Oh, goodness. So it happens at match start and they're just not hotkeying it?

[urban shell]

No like the presence of that piece of equipment determines how everything behaves, it's not something players can change

Its not changing ammo types, its changing weapon behavior

lbx ammo swap still isnt possible to do in in a way where you can switch during the match

[fervent moat]

Oof.

[spice scarab]

How are people feeling about mw5clans?

Positive? Negative? I've kept out of the news on the game so I wouldn't be thinking about it

[worn nest]

I feel like it will be of the same level of quality as the MW5 DLC campaigns.

The base game will probably feel a bit rough around the edges and I assume modders will fix the things I don't like.

I play in co-op almost exclusively and this makes things more fun. My crew and I are thinking about playing by rough Zell rules. We call targets and no one else can shoot them for a little extra challenge with Clanner flavor.

[indigo jackal]

It seems a lot more in depth the MW5, more tactical with you seemingly able to command your star, which I'm all for.

[alpine ivy]

Some of the combat animations bother me (that scene of the T wolf tearing out of the hanger was rough) but I think the hand crafted missions will help a lot

MW4's AI was plenty bad itself but I still have fond memories from the set pieces and MW5 misses that.

[teal oasis]

yeah, that does look a bit jank

[jade kettle]

its the one my friend wants to jump in on which means i will play with her and have a blast but otherwise this would be a solid year 2 buy for me

[spice scarab]

That's really nice of you to do 😊

[urban shell]

@pallid glacier Forgot to ping you, we have a MWO thread

[pallid glacier]

CIWS gaming

[pallid glacier]

I think I've made a mistake investing heavily in the AMS meme on a piranha when kitfox can also do that

but I'm seeing very nice effects I dare say

3 LAMS, plasma cannon, LMGs and TAG

plasma cannon is Suboptimal in terms of fighting but it counters the ECM on targets I can't keep TAGging

such as the assault looking my way

[urban shell]

consider normal AMS instead of LAMS, LAMS is....bad

[pallid glacier]

yeah it felt kinda worse but supposedly they're identical in function

[urban shell]

LAMS generates a lot more heat than normal AMS

Normal AMS generates 0 heat

So 1 AMS plus half a ton of ammo is typically much better than 1 LAMS for the same weight

[prime mauve]

Laser AMS makes more sense in long campaign situations without room to resupply much.

[urban shell]

Which is the exact opposite of MWO

[urban shell]

That build does seem pretty unfocused btw

Since the LMGs and TAG are stare hitscan while the PC is projectile

[pallid glacier]

the focus is on being an annoyance

and it's offset a little by the PC being an arm mount

[urban shell]

got it

https://grimmechs.isengrim.org/Database

Big list of community-approved builds

The stuff in there is at least okay if not actually good

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/

Better online mechlab

And you can export builds to MWO

[pallid glacier]

also keep in mind this is a 20 ton mech

3 LAMS only heat me up if there's a constant torrent of missiles

[urban shell]

Sure but 3 AMS + ammo is the same weight and no heat

[urban shell]

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=49d7c22f_ON1-IIC-SK

vroom vroom

[pallid glacier]

I'm not sure how to play my hunchback

I struggle to identify its strengths/optimal playstyle within this game

[teal oasis]

it likes to get close

the ac20 variant basically teach you what you need to know the most with hunchback, get close, shoot, torso twist your cannon away, repeat

[pallid glacier]

I assume it's a jumpscare mech given its slow speed

jumpscare vs actual proper flanking

[teal oasis]

you can squeeze in a light engine 250 for 80 kph, it's adequate

if you want ac20 medium but go fast, one of the enforcer can do it with XL at 96 kph but the ac20 will be on a low mount

still fun as heck though, going that fast

[pallid glacier]

I don't love the idea of an XL hunchback

[teal oasis]

ah well, thankfully, you probably can't fit an XL on one with most build

Enforcer shines with an XL engine though, it's round enough that it's easy to spread the damage around by twisting

[pallid glacier]

I went with an L engine because one torso is there to tank hits for my AC

and if my AC is gone I might as well die

[slim comet]

Think of it as a relativealt fast urbie, but slightly worse as ducking behind a hill mid fight. or aty least there were when we last played

Alder (it/its) ↩️

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[urban shell]

Which hunchie?

[pallid glacier]

4G? the AC20 quirked up boy

[urban shell]

For the 4G, https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=7381613a_HBK-4G

Use your agility to jiggle peek around cover and land hits

The AC20 hits hard and shoots fast but overall DPS is lower than you'd like so avoid going head to head with people

[lone knot]

I made an alt challenge account called ‘tier 1s dont need armor’ and the hunchback 2c carried that account so hard that on my main I run almost no armor on my 2c. Its probably my favorite mech in the whole game after that

[fervent moat]

at the height of the ERLL meta, 0 armor dire wolves with as many ERLLs and sinks as you could slam in there actually showed up in a decent number of t1 games 😛

blame Data before he got yote I think

I think the JJ buffs and overall agility / mobility buffs have at least weakened, if not broken, the snipe meta which is nice

also I VERY much agree the LFE Hunchback 4G is one of the best new player mechs. You learn how to play close range skirmishing, peeking cover and taking potshots.

[lone knot]

Idk its still very much a funny blue laser meta in tier 1 or atleast it was when I last played like 4-5 month ago, never saw a 0 armor direwolf tho lol

[urban shell]

The 4G is good but it has the same issue as a lot of close range mediums where you need to be close to scary assaults and heavies without the Firepower or durability to engage them on equal terms

So you're primarily reliant on having enough Pub armor nearby to soak fire

But I also play mostly Heavies and assaults so what do I know

[teal oasis]

gotta say, using Hunchback when your team is passive and refuse to commit sucks ass

but when they do, oh boy, I fucking love those moments

[pallid glacier]

I'm having some hunchback success now but my stupid piranha is my bread winner still

I need to learn to play the hunchie more defensively because I'm not used to being easy to hit

[alpine ivy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imrCavBqLcI

Looking much nicer than some of the previews earlier.

I kind of wish that developers stopped putting the semi animated portraits up top and just left people as voices on the comms, but oh well.

Also, mm, those machine gun sounds.
EDIT: okay right as I said that a starmate walked straight into a gauss round. Damn.

[urban shell]

As far as hunchies go I'm a big gridiron fan

Its very agile and 2x LGR with 50% CD quirks is very good

[pallid glacier]

I've gotten enough of a hang on the hunchie that my low ammo capacity is starting to become a problem

that's good I think

also I've realized I could put a gauss rifle and ER large laser in the same mount on the 4H, having a laser pointer for my gauss as it charges, cooling down at roughly the same time too

not a good idea but a funny one

[urban shell]

gauss + lasers is a thing

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=95db9ba2_WHM-6R

[teal oasis]

yeah, since those 2 don't trigger ghost heat

[pallid glacier]

piranha gaming

[pallid glacier]

I'm having unreasonable success in this, improvement thoughts?

[lone knot]

Probably dont want the ammo in the torsos but then again your in a light so if they can crit your ammo bins your probably already dead anyways

[prime mauve]

does AP gauss explode like the fullsize version?

[lone knot]

The rifles do not the ammo unless they still havent fixed that bug it came out with, but I was talking about the mg ammo

[urban shell]

drop the MGs for more APGauss

[urban shell]

they fixed APGauss ammo exploding, MG ammo still explodes

imo the first place to put explosive ammo is the head

I'd cut 6 armor from the head to armor the side torsos

wait why do you have arm armor there's nothing there

CT and STs should have max armor pretty much all the time with very few exceptions. I'd reduce arm armor to min and drop head armor until STs and CTs are fully armored

on a light you're so hard up for armor that moving all your armor to the front is typically a good idea. It won't let you survive DHGR to the anywhere but it will let you survive 35 damage alphas or 40 to the CT

you're also pretty sorely limited for ammo in that configuration

also put as much non-explosive stuff i.e. heatsinks in the STs as you can to crit pad since APGauss explode

this is very short on ammo imo but 10x APGauss is pretty much the max you can do

dealer's choice whether you want to use your APGauss ammo to crit pad or keep it in the CT/legs, since losing a side torso with 2/3 of your ammo in it can be pretty crippling

heavy smalls imo don't have enough range and don't sync range with the rest of your weapons. Imo ER smalls to sync range or if you can find an extra half ton go for a heavy medium

[pallid glacier]

I originally included the MGs to save gauss ammo against exposed structure

[urban shell]

MGs are a stare weapon, apgauss are ppfld

That being said if you want an APGauss boat the adr-w does a lot better

Not as fast but its tankier than an urbie and mounts 14

[pallid glacier]

I like being fast, I've solo'd all weight classes in this mech

the power of not being there

[urban shell]

It's still a light but it's not a 20 tonner

[pallid glacier]

I think not having jump jets is not worth the 140kph speed though

considering the crazy turns I can do with JJs

[urban shell]

true, JJs are good

[pallid glacier]

I don't remember how I ended up becoming a piranha main

my hand was guided by an outside influence

also outdated advice telling me to get a set of 3 for mastery bonus

[urban shell]

Too fragile for my tastes. Two HGR shots and you're out

[astral oak]

So Clans comes out in a couple of days. Who’s coming with me to the Taurian Concordat for work instead of dealing with that whole mess?

[lone knot]

If your getting hit by heavy gauss then your not piloting a light correctly

But I also generally dislike piloting piranahas, theyre funny but the lack of jj really kills it for me plus Im too addicted to the spider 5v and its 12 jjs

And the 2 piddly little mediums I stuff on it make it more entertaining to work my ass off just to barely manage 500 dmg

[urban shell]

Sure but also APGauss takes you inside DHGR range bands

[lone knot]

??

do you only run ERLL on your lights? heavy gauss does damage out to 900m without quirks no matter, what you run your gonna take damage if you dont make yourself a hard target

[urban shell]

Correct, so lights will have to worry about being hit by things like HGauss and SNACC, so you can't just dismiss it

[lone knot]

We obviously have very different ways of playing and thinking about the game so im just gonna agree to disagree

[pallid glacier]

from what I've seen of higher tiers they're a peekfest

[urban shell]

Ayup

[pallid glacier]

but I'm still in T5 so running fast works

[urban shell]

At T1 people will absolutely be able to shoot back if you peek them so you can't assume that you'll dodge all incoming fire

[pallid glacier]

it's funny that playing utility and doing all the scouting, tagging and AMSing on top of non neglibigle damage is rank neutral or negative
but going out in the blaze of glory as the 90% gun mech, despite having less match impact, is positive

[urban shell]

And while HGRs are uncommon except on duelists SNACC is not

[pallid glacier]

SNACC?

[urban shell]

snubs + AC20

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=e25f164f_STK-M

Something like that

[pallid glacier]

@arctic silo plays an AC20 urbie and is consistently the last player standing despite urbielike aggression

I have the series mascot avatar on my team

[urban shell]

Jaegermech Duelist, for clarity, because it has really absurd HGR range quirks.

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=23e73dfb_JM6-DE

50 PPFLD out to 451m

[arctic silo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/441870612265435147/1295447130860945479/image.png?ex=670f5768&is=670e05e8&hm=1234993c1afdd283ad82d97ea334da21c6483372c3c62847652aecde218a2f49&

this is all you need. anything else is unbecoming of a representative of the periphery

[teal oasis]

terrifying

[arctic silo]

(the secret btw is to finish the job. This build is a glorified coup de grace machine made to annoy people that get brave with no armor left)

[urban shell]

How's that CT armor treat you?

Though imo the R60L doesn't have the tonnage

[arctic silo]

I get blasted for a kind of silly amount of time before falling over unless it's a gauss monster or something

but ideally I don't get blasted

I only picked the r60l cuz that's also the one I think house davion guts and puts a giant ac20 in and calls it a day

[lone knot]

The name is very apt

[pallid glacier]

I think I'll be buying the kitfox purifier

is there a difference between buying through steam or their website?

[urban shell]

The kit fox in general isn't the best chassis

As far as difference between steam and website the sales aren't synchronous but otherwise the same

[lone knot]

Id recommend waiting for a event, theres almost a new one every month and a lot of them offer a free hero mech of your choice

[pallid glacier]

do they come with garage slots
because I have 3 piranhas thanks to getting outdated advice

[lone knot]

The purifier is good tho, the group that I used to run with like running them a lot. Pretty good laser vomit mech that you can slap in the ams omni pod in

Oof, thats really really outdated advice lmao i dont think thats been a thing for almost a decade

But yeah they do

And every event does give mc prices and the mechbays do go on sale quite often

I havent spent a dollar on the game since I came back on a new account and I have 155 mechbays and 113 mechs

[pallid glacier]

faction war would be a good way to get them but I can't really enter with 3 piranhas

[lone knot]

Actually, isnt nearing halloween so there should be a loot bag event going on rn or there should be one soon

[pallid glacier]

the mercenary poverty trap

[lone knot]

Faction warfare is a trap, its a pretty much defunct game mode that almost no one plays from my experience

[lone knot]

You can go in with trial mech iirc

[urban shell]

Yes and there's frequently 13 mechbays for $6 sales

Faction play sucks

[slim comet]

Faction War was what we played the most of when we played

[astral oak]

I love the HBK-4H.

It's one of the only mechs that I don't fuck with the loadout on very much.

Welcome to the Hunch Zone motherfucker.

[urban shell]

I like the duelist just because of how hard it hits at midrange

50 heatless damage

Also the AWS-8Q 6x SNPPC because brawl and the 2xUAC10 4xUAC5 aksum because it's overpowered

[lone knot]

you mean suck?

because the nothing fucks more then a hunchback B)

[astral oak]

It's a hell of a medium. Punches above its weight class pretty well.

[lone knot]

highly recommend the IIC, nothing quite does it for me like 2 ultra 20s and a bunch of jump jets

the bushwack can also run 2ac20s which is always funny

[urban shell]

the 2C is very good

Solid poptarter with HAG20s too

[arctic silo]

trying out the adr.w lately

[urban shell]

the warthog is busted yeah

[arctic silo]

mostly drawn to it because the sheer number of hmgs on that thing is absolutely silly

[urban shell]

HMG build is good but requires stare, the 14xAPGauss build is cracked

like unironically the 14xAPGauss build is so good it's getting APGauss nerfed

[arctic silo]

I'm back to the urbie though I just refuse to use a mech with silly limitations such as "yaw"

I am 360 degrees of anger

[lone knot]

The dumpster of rage

[pallid glacier]

how would I know when these events are happening?

[lone knot]

They generally post it on the website https://mwomercs.com or in the game theres an event browser

The last event ended sometime in august and the halloween one should start next weekish and end in the startish of novemeber if the last years is anything to go by and then there should be a black friday sale/event around actual black friday

And the halloween event is always good because its a lootbag event where you can get a bunch of MC if you play like 50ish games during the time of the event

[urban shell]

Also premium time and other odds and ends

[dim umbra]

There is poetry in destruction. Now GO WRITE SOME POETRY!

[astral oak]

Ah, I got confused and wrote prose instead.

Which means I installed MechWarrior 3.

(Because it was made by MicroProse.)

[slim comet]

So we are thignkign of getting back into MWO and are wondering how badaly we need to rework our cyclops

[urban shell]

streaks are awful, LBX autocannons generally poor, laser AMS broadly worse than normal AMS, way too much rear armor

also the advantage of the standard engine is lost because you have no ammo in the CT, head, or legs, so if you get sticked you can't fight

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=5f3cffa1_CP-11-P

[slim comet]

There is a tonne of SRM ammo ini the CT

[urban shell]

not in that image

that's a streak 4

[slim comet]

So it is.

[urban shell]

In general I use at most 5 rear armor to protect against arty

And especially on a cyclops with the crit reduction quirk you can reduce rear armor to thicken frontal

[slim comet]

5 feels relay light but like we have not played seine the Large Laser Spam days

[urban shell]

You should not be getting shot in the back

Esp on a cyclops with its enhanced seismic

[urban shell]

Also not enough ammo

thats 600 potential less the medium lasers and any skills

[slim comet]

What do you think the LBX should be replaced wiht a RAC-5 or UAC-10 we have already swaped out the steeks for normal SRMs

[urban shell]

UAC10, RACs are stare weapons

[slim comet]

Oh that's a buld

Lollerisms (he/him) ↩️

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[urban shell]

yeah

[slim comet]

Thogh i don't think we can afford it with replacing the engine.

[urban shell]

As far as IS AC vs UAC, ACs fire single projectiles for better concentration as well as better damage per heat

If you want to try some honestly really solid builds the trials mechs are all pretty good

[slim comet]

We honestaly should we do have a decent amount of mechs but there builds are all extremaly out of date

But is this looking more modernized?

[urban shell]

I'd honestly cut the AMS

1xAMS doesn't do much

[slim comet]

Random LRM5's are not a thing anymore?

[urban shell]

that mech is also going to run really cool so swapping the MLs for ERMLs might be doable

not really, people running LRMs or tbolts tend to boat

[slim comet]

OK

[urban shell]

Frankly for a 90 ton mech its pretty undergunned

Other option if you have snubs in inventory would be like AC20+2x snubs in a deadside build

[slim comet]

WE have at least one Snub

We used to run 1xsnub and 3xHMGs on our urbie

[urban shell]

Also mechdb has imo a much better mech builder than the one in MWO

If you hit export it gives you a code you can paste into the MWO mechlab

[slim comet]

Ohh

[urban shell]

And if you hit export in MWO it gives you a code you can paste into mechdb

[slim comet]

OK so whare is the export button on MWO

[urban shell]

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=d8ca2667_CP-11-P

threw this together in a bit trying to keep the 360 STD engine since engines are expensive

it's undergunned for a 90 tonner but the deadside means that you can shoot then twist to shield with your left side and losing your LT costs you nothing

[slim comet]

Thanks

[urban shell]

I will say its a waste of the spread quirk on the cyclops but 40 pinpoint is 40 pinpoint

You do need to hit your shots with that though

Since all that damage is done to one location which is good but also it means that you can't rely on spread to spread your damage around

As far as speed imo going under 50 invites your team to rotate away from you so you can get eaten alive by lights

More is better but esp on assaults engines get heavy

[slim comet]

Yeah It manages a OK 63KPH but it's already geting in to Charger levles of spending more on the engian then on the rest of the mech

[urban shell]

In general for builds https://grimmechs.isengrim.org/Database?t=loadout

Is a good starting point

Keep an eye on the date of addition because some of the stuff is pretty old

[slim comet]

Thanks for the help and resorces!

[urban shell]

Np

[slim comet]

You could also run this, but it's a very silly and probably worse build.

https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=f3576fb8_CP-11-P

And if you want shotgun, then this build might be more what you want.
https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechlab?b=c8f26ca7_CP-11-P

[alpine ivy]

Clans is up lads!
Thoughts:

• i need to make peace that the high ttk of MW4 isn't coming back
• facial animations are bad
• cinematics are a huge improvement over mercs despite that
• this game eats gpus
• 1 crash and a number of notable graphical issues

• mechlab UI is a step down from mercs for some unfathomable reason

[teal oasis]

you know, at first I thought something is wrong with the model, just a touch

the character model, not the mech

then I realised they all look like this because they are tense as hell because it's how clan society is like

[alpine ivy]

Honestly the facial animation doesnt bother me as much as the rabid early review redditors but maybe thats because i mostly play older games

And i feel that the writing and other components of the cinematics are strong enough to sell the emotion

[teal oasis]

the writing is very good*

very strong

[alpine ivy]

Its incredibly clear that they either got new writers or the writers at pirhana had some time to hone their craft from mw5 mercs

[teal oasis]

I think what also sells the story is that the characters are kinda just, normal looking?

like sure, they are still handsome, like how clan warriors are like, but not to the usual video game standard

you can see the imperfection, which ironically makes them look more perfect

[alpine ivy]

Agreed. Some chud's probably going to slim down mia's chin or something despite the fact she's a stunningly attractive woman
Idk about the dudes they all look great i g

[astral oak]

I assumed from the jump that the Clanners were supposed to be uncanny-beautiful.

Like Fair Folk or something.

[nova gull]

Hmm so far the game is like

I love how alien the clanners are and I initially bristled at the voices but then I realized they’re supposed to sound kinda weird and unusual

The stuttering and varied sound design though is rough

Has the patch notes fixed it?

[arctic silo]

i'd also like to add that it's a culture that discards contractions as a sign of weakness

[nova gull]

I do still feel like for some of it the voice acting is awkward

I’ve never played a Battletech game before so this is all new to me

[urban shell]

it's very funny whenever it gets brought up as a way to spot a clanner

[arctic silo]

it's easier than explaining that star league english is basically fuckin'

medieval english by comparison

quiaff quineg bloodright cutdown batchall

t r a s h b o r n

[nova gull]

Did yall get it on pc or console?

[urban shell]

didn't get it and my experience shouldn't be taken as normal because I have a 3090Ti in my rig

[arctic silo]

i don't have it either and i wouldn't be a good person to get an evaluation from either

[spice scarab]

Spent the majority of my evening getting tomorrows work done so I can have the time to enjoy this beautiful trash fire (that apparently isn't as much as a trash fire as I feared)

[nova gull]

There was a patch on PC and console a few hours ago!

[onyx sable]

this Perez kinda sus

[spice scarab]

I'm probably going to get up early tomorrow and start it

I'm gonna check this tomorrow to see if it holds up after a few more hours

[silver bison]

How's the joystick support this time round?

[urban shell]

ah simplicity

it does one thing and it does it well

3+3+1 fire pattern and you get ~2 alphas before overheat

[nova gull]

What game?

[urban shell]

MWO

[lone knot]

Ive been playing clans with my group and theres been some pretty weird bugs, like if one of the non-hosts gets left behind when the allowed area changes they just cant move and start glitching out. Also the sound design on some weapons is very questionable, like the uac20

[silver bison]

Oh man, aiming with sticks ain't easy in a mech

[jade kettle]

you're using flight sticks?

there's an aim assist option

[silver bison]

Yep, using HOSAS

[spice scarab]

Anyone try K/M vs Controller?

[nova gull]

Controller is pretty nice—when the game isn’t stuttering

[alpine ivy]

If you have a decent nvidia GPU the "super sharpness" option being on gave my BiL and I 20+ additional frames

I can run it at medium to high on nearly all settings with that on my 3060 with a solid 40+ frames

[nova gull]

I do

Which is why I need to figure out how to get game pass on pc

My dad pays for game pass currently and I don’t know how to get his account onto my pc

I think I sign in with his email and whatnot?

[spice scarab]

Yeah I've got a ryzen5, 3060, and 32g ram

I think I'll be set

[arctic silo]

mfw the targeting computer intentionally omits all references to the mech named "wolverine"

extremely good detail

[astral oak]

I have a GTX 3060, am I gonna be good?

Oh. Nevermind.

[onyx sable]

God the aiming is so damn sensitive. I got a gamepad, tried using a mouse, and both drove me nuts so I just go heavy so I can soak damage on story difficulty.

[alpine ivy]

The game has plenty of jank but man, the lore dudes killed it.

[nova gull]

Holy shit lmao

[arctic silo]

I would've figured they'd say 'conjurer' instead, but they've just been completely unpersoned even as a mech too

[onyx sable]

||"Hey uhh....why we all retreating from the city? ....Sure hope all those ships make it to orbit. Well maybe not the Great House person, but the civilians." -a minute later- || Spoilers for the second planet in Clans (well technically third counting prologue)

[slim comet]

Ahh Turtle Bay is the second mission, that is honestaly one of the sticking points for us

[onyx sable]

I keep getting the feeling this Star isn't gonna be a part of the clan for the duration of the whole story ||Judging by clips from several of the trailers||

[slim comet]

Fair, we are just not fans of the clans in general, CSJ s our least favoate clan and well Turtle Bya is part of why they are our least favorate clan

[onyx sable]

I kinda like the Wolves, and the Jade Falcons (I'm well aware that the Jade Falcons are horrible. Sometimes I like villains >_> not that I think they're right. Still confused by people who unironically think the Clans are the greatest thing for the galaxy)
Waiting to see how long it takes for the campaign to reveal the ||Wolf Dragoons||
Still learning lore so was kinda confused by ||ComStar sending people to help the Clans||

[arctic silo]

there's a lot of stuff like that. ||there was a conspiracy theory that the remnants of Clan Wolverine managed to get into the Word of Blake somehow, and this is why Ghost Bear was so heavily involved. but they never found their genes on any of the people they were killing||

[nova gull]

As the resident Canopus stan

Clannerscum cringe… but interesting

[onyx sable]

One day....one day Canopus will come out on top

[nova gull]

CATENBY SWEEP

[slim comet]

Is it Catenby or Nyanbinary ?

[nova gull]

Nyanbinary

Canopus is so cool by virtue of not being bastards

As are Fed Suns and Free Worlds

[lone knot]

marik cringe, all hail the archon

[spice scarab]

This is what I'm taking away about my experience with Clans. I didn't realize how starved for story I was. Man, the lore nerds really hit it out of the park.

[pallid glacier]

big pant

[spice scarab]

Thiccc

[lone knot]

damage spreading like a pro

[spice scarab]

I have one misgiving and that is the don't yell at you for focus firing lol

[onyx sable]

All damage in the rear huh? This looks like you were running instead of standing your ground and fighting

(this is a joke)

[pallid glacier]

I just don't have rear armour

[lone knot]

oh i thought this was mw5 clans for a second and i was about to say lol

got that swayback energy

[pallid glacier]

indeed

[arctic silo]

ultrakill

ultrakill head

v1 type battlemech

[lone knot]

the cyclops is a little more v1 imo

[nova gull]

OUTBOUND LIGHT

[nova gull]

controlling light mechs is hard

How do I not somehow get all my stuff disabled?

my weapons systems are so easy to destroy

[arctic silo]

what light mech are you using?

[nova gull]

This keeps happeninh

light mechs are just.. too awkward

I end up needing to do this and I still don't know how to swap weapons

RB doesn't seem to do anything

what am I doing wrong? I'm taking ludicrious amounts of damage on normal and controlling any of these mechs feels clumsy

I keep getting stuck or turn too slowly

[urban shell]

Light mechs live and die on flanking attacks and speed

If you get stuck you're probably dead and if your opponent is facing you you should bail

[nova gull]

also

My weapons get shot off instantly+for some reason, the amount of weapons I have active is toggled to moving the right stick up and down?

it feels incredibly clunky

[spice scarab]

I'm finding that having my star hold ground on a high location let's their range weapons shine. They will focus fire naturally. I'm in a adder prime and it's best to put range opponents. I've also been investing in the evasion perk for my star mates to help offload any incoming damage but idk how well it functions

This was also part of the clans initial advantage was out ranging opponents

[nova gull]

I can't really aim well

The rotating plus zoom is so difficult

And I lost almost every weapons system when i passed by a light mech

[urban shell]

Again, light mechs and the MTLX in particular are extremely squishy

Crits, losing locations, etc

[spice scarab]

Another thing to consider is matching mech with the perks a pilot will get. The initial assignments don't match well.

[spice scarab]

Don't be afraid to reverse to keep people at range. Charging in with lights will get them chewed up. I lost both the lasers and srms first mission I played bc I was underestimating how far I could actually hit

[nova gull]

it's mostly like.. I don't know how swapping weapons works at all

it says RB is for weapon group swap

but that button does nothing

[spice scarab]

Oh interesting. I'm on M/K with a 6 button mouse

[astral oak]

Ah man that round Clan radar though.

[nova gull]

this is fustrating

the tutorial just said rb swaps weapon groups

it.. doesn't?

[onyx sable]

Yeah, I had to just manually change my off weapons to 5 so I can use LB to shoot them.

Otherwise I’m left with left/right trigger for weapons

[nova gull]

\

what do I even do? is it designed to be this hard?

[onyx sable]

Edit weapon groups. 5 is reserved for Left bumper

[nova gull]

It put me on classic controls

Maybe modernized will help

[slim comet]

How does the TC refer to it?

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[urban shell]

Whats the weapon load on the mist lynx?

If its the prime you stay at max range and plink with your LRM10

[slim comet]

Prime has active probe, LRM10, SSRM4, 2MG. For alternate configs see the Sarna page.

[urban shell]

Yeah but idk what loadout it has in the game

[nova gull]

It is confusing because my controls never save

When I did tutorial it was modern scheme

But it just switched to classic for some reason

[urban shell]

scrble what weapons does your mech have

[nova gull]

Uhhh I do not remember atm I’m away from computer

I didn’t change any weapons

[slim comet]

From what I can tell, the weapons pods do match the canon ones, unless explicitly chstimised.

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[Reply to:](#1159998642531356693 message) Yeah but idk what loadout it has in the game

[urban shell]

If its the prime your LRM launcher hits harder than every other weapon you have put together

Stay at range and plink

[slim comet]

Customised. Customised. Good lord my brain.

[nova gull]

I keep missing my shots

[urban shell]

Did you get lockon?

[nova gull]

Click down left stick right

[urban shell]

probably

Your missiles should be visibly homing in on the enemy

If its like mercs you'll need to select the opposing mech then hold your reticle over it for a certain amount of time to get lock

Then your LRMs will home in on the locked target

Broadly speaking the mist lynx weighs 25 tons meaning that the only mech you can take in a fair fight is a flea and even then the flea's not that much lighter. Consequently, you need to not fight fair.

[nova gull]

The zoom like doesn’t do it for me

I still can’t hit stuff with lock on at range

[slim comet]

That.. Huh? They should be tracking the target for you, that's why LRMs are good.

[nova gull]

Yeah I click down left stick and I think it tracks?

It shows a red square around the target

[slim comet]

I will note that just having it in the TC isn't enough, you need to stare at the target too.

[nova gull]

Yeah

My lasers miss often

It’s my first Battletech game so this is very new to me

[urban shell]

That's not lockon, hold your reticle over the enemy until you get a visual indicator of lock

Your missiles should be visibly tracking your target

[arctic silo]

i will say the mist lynx is the clans' slop chaff unit. they don't last very long (when shot)

[nova gull]

Ohh

It’s not like armored core lockon

[urban shell]

It is not

Your weapons need to be aimed manually

[nova gull]

The lostech art of auto lockon

[alpine ivy]

mission 1 was surprisingly hard, my BiL and I wiped once and almost died a second time (I was down to MGs in my Viper) and we're MW5 veterans.

You probably want to be in the Viper or Kitfox for armor and speed or guns, respectively

[urban shell]

is the adder an option?

[alpine ivy]

You unlock it typically by mission 3

[urban shell]

Ah

2x cERPPC covers a lot of sins

[alpine ivy]

It's a big boost, putting yourself and an ally in the Adder prime deletes pretty much everything you see

The other crutch you can get is the A configuration on the Viper by mission 3, strip the SSRM and replace it with heatsinks and you have a 6 laser budget Nova

It'll 2 shot nearly every light and defang Panthers if you aim for the arm

So once you get those two its smooth sailing. Shadowcat gets even sillier. It has the same tonnage space as the Kit Fox, as far as I can tell, but its faster, better armored, and has MASC and jump jets. I like putting a UAC/10 on it and rushing idiots.

[slim comet]

The Adder is a good BattleMech. It was designed to test and practice with various common loadouts seen in the Inner Sphere.

[alpine ivy]

It feels a lot better in this game than the tabletop, where the Adder Prime is astoundingly expensive for its durability and prone to cooking itself.

[urban shell]

The MWO adder W is quite frankly offensive to god

urbie tier defensive stats, Clan weight saving technology and weapons, and 14 Ballistic Hard points

[slim comet]

Now, what I am about to say is slightly chalcas, but.. One could say that for the entire field of BattleMechs.

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[nova gull]

Should I lower the difficulty?

[urban shell]

You may just need practice with the systems

movement, aiming, lock, etc

[arctic silo]

it is absolutely silly when you lock in. if only the urbmech had this many hardpoints

[slim comet]

If ye find it too hard, then mayhaps, but also, as Lollerisms said, there is the option to put in additional practice.

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[Reply to:](#1159998642531356693 message) Should I lower the difficulty?

[urban shell]

Urbies Can't use all those hard points because inner sphere equipment is larger and heavier

[arctic silo]

i could make it fit if they let me

the bastards

[slim comet]

The Clan UrbanMech could, though.

..What ye would call the IIC.

[onyx sable]

Modernized still has the same issue with weapons

[nova gull]

I can’t find any settings for saving weapon groups

I’ll keep looking

[spice scarab]

Ooo first crash

[alpine ivy]

I had a weird bug where my Shadowcat's gunarm got stuck at like, 60 degrees up for half a mission

So I had a really unnaturally high point of fire for the UAC/10 on it. Fixed itself part way through though.

[nova gull]

So to make the left bumper function I need to switch a weapon group to position 5?

[urban shell]

Lowkey this is probably a game best played on MnK

You need a lot of buttons

[nova gull]

Oh

True

[spice scarab]

I really hope we get additional campaigns

[silver bison]

It ain't optimised for it but stick and throttle is so immersive

And most sticks have plenty of buttons

[arctic silo]

yeah they're basically using a specific thrustmaster model in there

which makes the actual act of piloting one of these things extremely funny in concept

creaky-ass unlubed stock roll-pitch-yawstick

[spice scarab]

crispy fried Nova

[onyx sable]

Yes, position 5 and the last one is left bumper. (At least I think the last one is, I know 5 is)

I refuse to play M&KB for this one x-x I'm much more comfortable playing the game with my xbox controller.

[nova gull]

Ohh it's paired!

[teal oasis]

so I finally finished watching someone's MW5 clans playthrough

||Liam is the best Smoke Jaguar ever lived.||

[alpine ivy]

Oooh.
I'm reaching the end of Planet 2, ||Turtle Bay||. You go from "arguably still heroic (ignoring the blatant aggression of operation revival) to clearly the bad guys really fast

[teal oasis]

yup

[pallid glacier]

going for smoked jaguar as the player faction was brave

I applaud them

[alpine ivy]

i hope someone makes a difficulty mod, my BiL and I are more or less walking through the game on Expert mode. Gonna have to start under-tonning for a challenge.

[teal oasis]

like you cannot go 'are we the baddies' harder than smoked jaguar

until jihad

[alpine ivy]

yeah they are straight up like, the worst people in the setting. Word of Blake beats them, but also WoB is so comically evil I kinda ignore them a lot of the time.

[teal oasis]

that's funny, because most people actually find the game quite difficult from the sheer amount of crap Spheroids throw at you

and now, I will be honest

[alpine ivy]

huh. They do send like, a full brigade at Santandor

[teal oasis]

I will finally forgive PGI

if

they make a mechwarrior game set in Jihad

[pallid glacier]

jaguar is also funny because they don't have any like, end justifies the means grand philosophical point or anything

[alpine ivy]

The Nova Prime is truly a weapon of destruction btw, that thing slaughters Santandor's last mission

[pallid glacier]

they're purely I LOVE WAR in a setting that's usually all about politics and flawed people n shit

[teal oasis]

yup

[alpine ivy]

They're kinda the logical conclusion of "might makes right because might has made right"

[nova gull]

Wait yall think this game is easy

Damn

[alpine ivy]

It's a trainwreck of a society that's slipped off the rails

I have played a lot of MW4 and MW5 Mercs.

[pallid glacier]

I've been enamored with the BF1 intro since that came out so I woke from a nap with the thought of a Tukiyyad game being entirely like that

[alpine ivy]

Practicing enough that you can reliably put your full burst down on the targeted part of the enemy is important, a lot of enemies in Clans are less scary if you can neuter their firepower (Hunchbacks, Panthers) or kill them outright (Jenners, Commandos)

[pallid glacier]

I'm a hunchback in MWO, can confirm

even if I try to present my vestigal left torso so much of my boom box is still visible it hardly does anything

though this is after I survived repeatedly walking into their entire team

[alpine ivy]

And then the other key thing I've noticed is how to "lose aggro", it looks like they reused the enemy AI from Mercs. The OpFor will aggressively target the highest DPS enemy on the field (you), so once you notice people starting to focus you, back off and let them focus back on your starmates

[pallid glacier]

btw

I think MWO should have a report category for "was the last player on the team alive in a skirmish game and kept it going for 8 minutes in a flea"

admins, nuke that man from orbit

[alpine ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/sentenced-judge-gavel-life-guilty-gif-15269633257809176357

Sentenced to 4 Turkina Z's

[nova gull]

https://youtu.be/HQhzlXcmTzw?si=_Z5rsAhECqniwVl5

[arctic silo]

it should unironically have a vote system and if it passes it starts a timer before that specific player is hit with an orbital strike

mass driver directly to the center torso

[urban shell]

And in general being able to drill specific components is how you drop enemies quickly, be it by legs or just burning out the CT

[onyx sable]

But what if that player comes in clutch though?

YOU DIDN'T GIVE THEM ENOUGH TIME TO WIN D:

[pallid glacier]

I have seen lights become briefly possessed by John Battletech and start blasting cockpits left and right

usually bookended by completely unnoteworthy performance

[spice scarab]

Man these ac20s

[worn nest]

Start your own Zellbrigen for the lore based co-op challenge instead of undertonning.

You call a target, you can't shoot anyone else until it dies. You also can't declare a target someone else has called. Vehicles/Turret don't count, free for all on any non-Mechs.

Orde the AI Starmates to focus other targets away from the player called targets.

[astral oak]

How do the non-combat parts of the game function in Clans?

Like how in Mercenaries it's about managing your company, hopping around the Inner Sphere, etc.

[teal oasis]

not much

you just earn currency and exp from story missions and spent them and that's about it

salvage is simplified to getting components which can be used to improve specific mechs

[astral oak]

Hm.

Oh hey. I bet nothing exciting will happen here in the next, say, 24 years.

[spice scarab]

Anyone having a problem with the sokols?

[teal oasis]

what's a sokol?

[spice scarab]

Big ass VTOL with 4 AC5s/PPCs/SRMs

I think it's only in Clans bc I don't see it on sarna

[urban shell]

doesn't appear to exist on sarna

[teal oasis]

it's only in PGI game yeah

[spice scarab]

Reminds me of the first boss from AC6

They are absolutely neutering my star Christ

[astral oak]

Huh. Maybe the DCMS should’ve fielded more.

That’d be pretty funny.

[prime mauve]

Packing longer range guns from the Clan arsenal might help, though most of the default configs are light on armor.

[spice scarab]

I was watching my starmate just whiff shot after shot

[astral oak]

Trueborn are the finest MechWarriors of all time. Artificially bred and raised from the day they're decanted from their canister to be a MechWarrior and nothing but. They are the bleeding edge of warfighting capability. Kerensky's legacy made manifest and the last great hope for the resurrection of the Star League. They are stronger, faster, better than anything the Inner Sphere can possibly offer.

They then proceed to completely forget that you have to lead a shot on a moving target.

[urban shell]

AWS-8Q sitting in a treeline:

[slim comet]

To be Fair CSJ did lead to the creation of the second starleage, who then went and stmped CSJ flat and gave the Huntress to the one non-clan remement of the SLDF

[spice scarab]

The irony is just too good

Big monkey paw energy coming from CSJ

Ok I'm going to have to try this

[astral oak]

BAH GAWD IS THAT THE ERIDANI LIGHT HORSE'S MUSIC?!

[teal oasis]

i know this probably would break the mood of the later part of the campaign, but it would be very funny after complaining about the food not getting better twice, ||the star finally commented that the food IS finally getting better after defecting to the Dragoon.||

[arctic silo]

clanner that found out what ice cream is and swears against it after a milkshake splashes all over their cockpit mid-battle

[urban shell]

ice cream in a mech cockpit is a bold move considering those idle at like 40 C

[teal oasis]

you can probably fry egg in a cockpit at the right time

[arctic silo]

gets hit by an ac20 and the turbulence makes a massive blueberry chocolate splash all over the targeting computer

star convinced they've been sabotaged

[spice scarab]

Like that always sunny in Philadelphia but about slurping cereal in a moving car

[arctic silo]

exactly the gif I'm thinking of

[spice scarab]

Has anyone had to restart a mission due to enemies falling underground?

[onyx sable]

||Farewell Liam, rest in peace||
God I hate ||Perez|| Clans spoiler

[urban shell]

SNACCing

[teal oasis]

good snaccing

[spice scarab]

Good god that spaceport mission

[alpine ivy]

Finished that one last night. Ended with my armless hellbringer, 1 mech destroyed and 2 more critically damaged.

[astral oak]

Sounds like MW5: Clans is pretty difficult.

Whether intentional or not, that’s pretty apt considering that Operation REVIVAL was the Clans getting an object lesson in the Universal Theory of Fuck That Guy.

[nova gull]

Good guy.. ComStar?!

[urban shell]

For tukayyid anyway

Ignoring that time they tried to sell out the entire sphere

[astral oak]

Hey, what’s under that tarp? Is that the entire Second Succession War?

[foggy wharf]

pay your phone bills motherfuckers

[pallid glacier]

comstar is the biggest assholes in the universe but it was a classic "hey I can't rule the world if you destroy it first" type gambit

[nova gull]

“This world isn’t yours to conquer.”

[astral oak]

I’m sure nothing will happen with ComStar again. Especially not in the late 3060’s.

Definitely trustworthy.

They certainly won’t have a schism between the normal people and the religious weirdos.

[pallid glacier]

hey, at least nothing will happen with ComStar again

[astral oak]

Not with ComStar, no. Maybe a different thing with a different name but not ComStar.

I don’t like that my phone’s spellcheck recognizes “ComStar.”

[nova gull]

(CANOPUS SWEEP)

catgirls conquer Terra

so it is ordained

[alpine ivy]

Clans feels like it has a way lower TTK than Mercs but I can't tell if that's the case
Obviously you kill much faster with clan weapons, but your mechs also feel squishy? Idk hard to say.

Like, it is tabletop accurate that two ERPPCs to a Jenner's nuts is pretty much going to core it

[nova gull]

I still haven’t beaten the second mission

I’m getting a little annoyed I like using controller it hurts my hands less

[alpine ivy]

The only mech you get with armor worth a damn until the TW is the Stormcrow also as well so it may just be that

[nova gull]

Maybe it would be best to play keyboard

[astral oak]

If not stopped, I will talk at extreme length about BattleTech lore.

[spice scarab]

Could you try it once and see how it plays?

Turtle Bay really feels like that moment where it clicks for CSJ that they are not equipped to handle 4D warfare

[slim comet]

Fuck the Word of Blake.

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[spice scarab]

I do really like seeing just how weird comstar is presented in Clans. Yeah, these guys are nutty

[slim comet]

For a quick explanation, Callie fought the WoB soon after she was inducted as a warrior. ComStar circa the 3050s though she has a begrudging respect for.

[onyx sable]

We can totally trust all the info ComStar is willing to give us

Yup, a 100% trustworthy, not false, info

[alpine ivy]

I think its very funny that SJ ||falls for the dropship shell game two planets in a row||, for any other story it would be a plot hole but no SJ is really just that clueless

[astral oak]

“Do you really think someone would do that? Just go through the process of Zellbrigen and lie?”

[urban shell]

I can't believe people lie on clannet

Truly dezgra

[urban shell]

I forget, do MW5 cERPPCs splash like they do in MWO or is it just 15 damage?

[alpine ivy]

I think it may splash a little but like, you hit core and a little goes to 1 side

[urban shell]

In MWO its a 10/2.5/2.5 split

[alpine ivy]

It might be that then.

Somehow they made the loki good
Though I noticed that rather than providing more heat sinks the loki prime has more armor bolted on

[astral oak]

The Loki? As in “the Summoner, but worse?”

[astral oak]

Terror.

[onyx sable]

||Liam just being incredibly frustrated with how clueless CSJ leadership, and intel is||

[alpine ivy]

Yes lol
Don't actually love the summoner in Clans, its weapon space feels a little anemic to me.

[spice scarab]

Especially looking at the harbinger

That bastard got so many guns packed into it

[astral oak]

I’ve always been a basic and loved the Mad Cat.