DOTA 2

[steel forge]

I watched the replay back, and yeah I did just kinda waddle in and light everyone on fire

I did not even split

I have a question about brewmaster though: I've been working off the assumption that illusions you make with manta or whatnot will inherit the stats of your current stance, like other illusions do the armlet thing. Is that accurate?

[glossy stratus]

I would expect so

But would have to run into the testing range to actually check

[paper shell]

Well thats the thing, they're updated but don't actually apply in game

[sturdy venture]

<@&877973728997294120> would anyone be interested in gaming in 10-15 minutes?

[cursive wing]

yrsh

[olive moon]

i could play a game or 2

[unborn isle]

i guess

no i cant i dont have it downloaded

[cursive wing]

can you download it

[unborn isle]

yeah, but itl take a while

[real parcel]

I could also.

[cursive wing]

@olive moon are you

[olive moon]

am i

[cursive wing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFyx8_uPis4

[reef parcel]

@void grove here's an example of the morning slot I was talking about ^

[viscid trout]

is Thijs into dota 👀

[real parcel]

<@&877973728997294120> Any dota people?

[delicate jungle]

I am out rn but I could later

[glossy stratus]

Alas, I do not have a CrowdStrike holiday

Will be free in the evening though

[paper shell]

these bots are pretty cool

They even placed a ward 😮

[glossy stratus]

But do they pick up bounty runes/experience runes/lotuses?

[paper shell]

I think so

maybe not the lotuses

They do buy items

and do things

so theyre better than the default ones

Im currently getting owned

[glossy stratus]

Do they randomly choose pros' names? That's hilarious

[paper shell]

Yeah

Im playing for tsm rn

psg lgd seems to have our number tho

[glossy stratus]

Emily (standin)

[paper shell]

The lina's bloodthorn is kinda catching out my entire team

[glossy stratus]

I see Timado is brewing something spicey (or the bots don't know how to pick facets)

[paper shell]

Probably don't know how to pick

They aren't perfect

[olive moon]

which bots are they?

[paper shell]

And seemed to fall into the just run down a lane trap

its the most popular one on the workshop atm

As well as recently updated

[glossy stratus]

<@&877973728997294120> going to do an ability draft game in a few minutes, if anyone wants to join

[paper shell]

😮

[delicate jungle]

mmmmmmm perhaps

[viscid trout]

The run down mid things is annoying

I think you have to split push aggressively so they don't barrel down mid

[paper shell]

They were doing some other lane stuff

so hard to say exactly

[glossy stratus]

@delicate jungle ping

[glossy stratus]

@delicate jungle btw you did excellently in that game, wp

[delicate jungle]

thanks

[paper shell]

I was just saying that too

You picked up on how to play your draft quite quick

especially with a bunch of skills you've never used before

[glossy stratus]

Some of those rolls in to start fights or keep them from catching Tom or suchlike were huge

[paper shell]

Maybe you'd be good at earth spirit

[delicate jungle]

oh god lmao

[paper shell]

Sometimes you just happen to click with a certain playstyle

its also possible that you'd totally suck at it lmao

I know I'm terrible at Earth Spirit

[glossy stratus]

Saaaame

I want to learn to play him, because I enjoy all the spirits

[paper shell]

Yeah he's super cool

and a ton of fun

[glossy stratus]

He's one of those heroes that lets you be fancy, and I love heroes that let me be fancy

[paper shell]

And a menance when played by someone good on them

[viscid tapir]

this would be the funniest option

[paper shell]

Also ngl having an earth spirit player I play with would be neat

[gritty sparrow]

My difficult hero of choice to learn recently has just been Puck

Which is a bad time to learn it cause Puck kinda blows against a lot of the popular people right now

But I love Puck's gimmick

[viscid tapir]

puck is fun

how does curveball work

[delicate jungle]

you put the midpoint of the arc

then vector target it from there

[viscid tapir]

i'm fairly certain the ball will always arrive at the point

not quite

it's not the midpoint

[delicate jungle]

yeah

i am mistaken

its weird

[viscid tapir]

but yeah, even though it will always arrive at the point while moving in that direction, it's very hard to judge what the path before that will be

[gritty sparrow]

It's weird

I have quick cast on

So I just shove it in a direction and it sometimes just flies right around the point I target it on

[viscid tapir]

yeah

[gritty sparrow]

The hardest part of it is knowing when to transpose

[viscid tapir]

same

yes

[gritty sparrow]

Because the duration is increased, but it also disappears if it gets to the cast range limit

[fathom bolt]

Oh right, I was meaning to ask for starting off tips

[viscid tapir]

:D Tech!
very very start: bind Neutral Item hotkey to something, it starts unbound

I recommend a bot game or 2 to figure out controls

you can potentially end up with 8 usable items and 6 spells so making sure you've got hotkeys set up for them is good, and bot games are a good no-consequence time to get that

beyond that, I don't know if the tutorials are bugged or not

but it's probably a good idea to learn stacking and pulling early, just because managing lane equilibrium is important and has become pretty commonplace

[gritty sparrow]

I find it funny that like

The New Frontiers update last year broke the tutorials for a while

And they finally fixed it

[fathom bolt]

I did play LoL and remember pushing and freezing from there, but I'm willing to be exact details in Dota are gonna be different

[gritty sparrow]

Then like two months later they broke it with the facet update

[fathom bolt]

LoL was also fairly pull-resistant in game design when it comes to lane creeps

[viscid tapir]

yeah, dragging your creep wave to some of the neutral camps is one of the bigger ways to manage equilibrium

[glossy stratus]

Also denies, and just messing with creep aggro in general

[viscid tapir]

the other way is to use their aggro mechanics:
If you issue* an attack order on an enemy hero while within aggro range of enemy creeps, they will move to attack you instead. There's a cooldown on this
*you don't need to complete the attack, just give the order

[glossy stratus]

(In the AD game I pulled creep aggro by issuing an attack order on their midlaner from bot lane. Creeps don't care if it's plausible, they just care that you have a hostile thought)

[fathom bolt]

Oh huh, in LoL it triggers on the attack landing (and they also made targeted spells do the same a few seasons in)

[viscid tapir]

very notably, targeted spells do not
this include auto-attack modifiers that some heroes have (frost arrows, poison attack, burning spears) so some heroes can attack without drawing any aggro

[real parcel]

<@&877973728997294120> One last late night attempt for Dota

[delicate jungle]

uhhhh

i need to finish up something

[gritty sparrow]

I could

I changed my computer set up and playing shooter games when I am readjusting everything is hurting my hand

Dota should be simpler, if I just don't play Rubick

[steel forge]

The answer is largely that they are but they’re still very helpful

[paper shell]

I personally suggest more, though with the current broken bots I guess it’s not very helpful

That being said if you can’t win vs the broken bots. Then you probably shouldn’t play real games

[reef parcel]

chatting about old invoker with my friends so gonna leave a history lesson here for @serene arrow and the other newlings https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/ykqt6/dota_history_lesson_the_old_invoker_with_27_spells/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3tminWOrRk

[serene arrow]

Damn

[serene arrow]

Tbh I've been thinking about my control scheme lately

[reef parcel]

Ice Wall - same as now, but targetted
**Portal **- does damage, pulls target to your position
Frost Nova - aoe damage, slow
Tornado Blast - long range aoe damage in a line (same as now but no "lifting")
**Levitation **- self Eul's
Power Word - +armor buff for allies, -armor buff for enemies
Invisibility Aura - passive invisibility for allies within a small aoe around you. Has a very fast fade time, but does not affect you.
Mana Burn - burns mana, does damage equal to amount of mana burned
**EMP **- releases EMP that travels directly ahead of you and eventually explodes, destroying mana in an aoe. Travels for about 4 or 5 seconds, to about 600 range.
Soul Blast - deals damage to an enemy and heals you
**Telelightning **- deals damage and pulls you to target
**Shock **- Deals damage and debuffs every enemy in around 400-500 aoe of you
Arcane Arts - passive magic resistance (up to 80% at max level)
**Scout **- summons a fast, flying, invulnerable owl to give you vision
Lightning shield - buff that deals damage over time in melee range around you
Chaos Meteor - same as now, but longer range and duration
**Confuse **- summons an image that looks like you at a location, but the image cannot move or attack
**Disarm **- removes an enemy's ability to attack
Shroud of Flames - every time an enemy attacks you, casts an aoe nuke at them
Soul Reaver - deals initial damage to a target, gives you a move speed buff, and then deals another instance of damage after a few seconds
Energy Ball - summons an energy ball on your position that explodes after a few seconds, dealing damage in a 300 aoe
**Incinerate **- channeled damage over time in a large aoe
Deafening Blast - deals damage and silences a single target
**Inferno **- once a second for a few seconds, creates an explosion on your position that also deal damage over time in their aoe
Fire Bolt - nuke with ministun
**Betrayal **- cast on an enemy hero to cause his allies to consider him an enemy: creeps and towers and stuff will attack him.

[serene arrow]

I have like, WASD camera, then QERF for regular abilities, alt +QE for extra abilities, 123 for first items, 4 for neutral, 5 for portal, alt + 123 for item 456

And I usually keep toggled or situational items in slot 456

[reef parcel]

betrayal is incredibly stupid and funny and I hope we get it back in the game someday just to mess with troll players

[serene arrow]

This setup works okay for Wraith King but I stumble a lot as Sven or such

And maybe that's purely mental stack

But idk maybe there's something else I could do to streamline my brain

[gritty sparrow]

Maybe we'll get a friendly fire thing with Puppet Master

When he comes out

Eventually.

[reef parcel]

I used WSAD for camera, QWERT for regular abilities.
alt + grid hotkeys for all my items, so like alt+QWERADF

[serene arrow]

Def might have to set up something specific for Invoker if playing him

[reef parcel]

this caused problems for me cause when I first moved to keyboard camera, I kept accidentally using items

like I wanna move the camera up

I press W

I'm holding alt by mistake

I activate bkb

[gritty sparrow]

At this rate I think Kestral is becoming a hero before Puppetmaster

[reef parcel]

but the more I practice the less that happens

it's just about reflexes

[serene arrow]

T feels a bit awkward for me to press regularly, might be my short fingers

[reef parcel]

it is super awkward

I actually use per-hero keybinds to always move the wonkiest ability there if someone has 5+ abilities

so like on phantom assassin, blur is on T

[stark linden]

wasd camera
123e (4/5 for extras) abilities
zxcvbn items

[reef parcel]

so I can have the shard fan of knives on R

[serene arrow]

Yeah zxcvbn items makes a lot of sense

[stark linden]

it doesnt

its so bad

i just play supports, so i dont need to use multi item combos that often

[serene arrow]

Was thinking if there was something I could use zxc for

Ah lol

Fair

Oh yeah thinking about it it would fucking suck as Sven

[reef parcel]

I have discussed this in fight-club before, but there are sorta two kinds of players imo

• players who are bad with keychords
• players who don't like moving their fingers

I don't like moving my fingers

like when I play strive, I actually just use all the macros. I press 3 buttons for roman cancel

[serene arrow]

E31 Zxcv initiation lmao

[reef parcel]

because it's easier for me than having a separate roman cancel button

but lots of players get a lot of value out of distinct roman cancel, burst, fd buttons

so yeah for me it's all an attempt to squeeze as much as I can into just qwerasdf

[serene arrow]

Yeah makes sense

[reef parcel]

I also use quickcast on all items and abilities

[serene arrow]

I find using the alt key very slightly awkward

[reef parcel]

so like, that's how I can do those snap blink-and-box catches with OD

alt+q, e

that's it

[serene arrow]

Not enough to exclude using it, but enough that I don't want anything I use constantly on there

[stark linden]

i dont quick cast items i think ever

[reef parcel]

when I was rampaging around as harpoon broodmother, it was alt+w alt+e q f

[stark linden]

i did start using quick cast abilities

[serene arrow]

Yeah as Wraith King I just Q 1 left click right click lol

[stark linden]

but only on specific heroes

i dont like it on treant

[reef parcel]

@stark linden I recommend it. I specifically slowcast tp scrolls but otherwise quickcast everything else

I think there's a lot of value to very precisely positioning your tp and being able to double tap tp

but everything else I just quickcast

[stark linden]

i hate quick casting wards

and i need precision when using items on people

[reef parcel]

if you have a specific ward slot, you can put that one slot on slowcast

[stark linden]

i usually pre press an item and target while moving

[serene arrow]

I wasn't able to figure out how quick casting works exactly

[reef parcel]

I know some players use like

top 3 item slots quickcast
bottom 3 item slots slowcast

and they just position items based on how fast they want it

[stark linden]

i also dont like quick casting blink dagger, i have less idea where ill end up

[reef parcel]

oh you can alt-right click blink dagger to see the range

that's what I do

[serene arrow]

I wish they'd let you like, double click to use an item or ability at the cursor idk, but that just seems to be a self cast thing

[reef parcel]

I always haev blink dagger range visible

I think blink dagger quickcast is insanely valuable

maybe the best quickcast in the game

twitch blinking is so good

@serene arrow yeah so I'm a big fan of quickcast as you can see. i'll also say that like, when you're configuring heroes you can totally just put different abilities on quickcast or slowcast or both

broodmother is a hero where I use both

I actually have quickast webs on E and slowcast webs on T

cause sometimes I need to slam down 3 webs as I run someone down

[stark linden]

you know, i might experiment with quickcast on button release?

[reef parcel]

and sometimes I'm caaarefully gardening my web network

across the map

[serene arrow]

okay, tried it out a bit, I think I'm reasonably convinced of putting quickcast on most thing (not wards ofc, maybe I should set alternate things for every support I think of playing)

[stark linden]

i feel like release quick cast blink dagger gives me the benefits of both quick cast and non quick cast

i can hold the button if i want the old behaviour

[reef parcel]

that makes a lot of sense

[stark linden]

i can tap it if i want to quick cast

[serene arrow]

yeah makes sense

[reef parcel]

I super recommend everyone just experiment with it

[serene arrow]

Obv. I'm just testing this out in the testing arena, but it feels much easier to pull off extended-ass combos with this setup

[reef parcel]

I value speed and immediate brain->hand->happens flow

but for precision the slower stuff is better

[serene arrow]

Very spherical cow in vacuum

[reef parcel]

yeah exactly, it's hugely good for combo play and also like reactive play

like if you blink into an enemy team and yo uhave 4 targetted abilities and who you target and when changes every 0.2 seconds

quickcast just makes you insanely reactive

it's how I can like, save people so often as od

or flick-blink-box enemies

or do all my force staff shenanigans

or even like box myself blink out

[stark linden]

huh, does alt casting blink always move you towards fountain??

[reef parcel]

yes!

it's an emergency escape option

like tp

[stark linden]

i hate that its different than casting it on yourself, but ill take it

[steel forge]

Quickcast on release is imo just objectively better than quickcast on press

Which is contradicatory I know

But I am using objectively as an intensifier

Release quickcast functions exactly like press quickcast except when you don’t want it to in which case it works better

I have left my wards on quickcast because release quickcast is just so nice

[delicate jungle]

quick q

why is earth spirit's roll like 2000 range when it only goes 750 with a statue

[viscid tapir]

you can target it 2000 range, so you can just generally point it "over there" and roll in that direction without needing to walk to the range where you will actually reach the targeted point

[delicate jungle]

i see

[viscid tapir]

there's a small disconnect between cast range and effect range for a lot of spells

[steel forge]

Why is that not an altcast behaviour like burrowstrike?

[viscid tapir]

like, Breathe Fire and Dragon Slave both extend farther than their cast range

[viscid tapir]

I'm like 70% confident the answer is "that's how they did the triggerwork in WC3"

[steel forge]

😔

I can’t believe that earth spirit somehow worked in wc3

[reef parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/altera-gudako-fate-grand-order-gif-13867936

[reef parcel]

except press quickcast is faster

[steel forge]

Linguistic descriptivist man, away!

[reef parcel]

look. we need a word for stuff that's objectively true. we are running out of words

we lost literally

we're losing actually

please don't take away objectively

after this point we have to start writing elaborate paragraphs explaining we really mean it this time

[woeful nimbus]

They swerved and took out ontologically too

[reef parcel]

and then we'll lose THAT

ontologically is kinda weird, it doesn't necessarily mean truth it just means fundamental on a kind of existential level

[woeful nimbus]

Well, yes, but I have seen it used basically in the same context of hyperbole as what happened with literally and such

[reef parcel]

like "objectively better" means something extremely clear and "ontologically better" is sort of a wonky term that can mean all kinds of things contextually

[woeful nimbus]

Linguistic descriptivist man get back here, we need your power

[woeful nimbus]

Sadly I feel like tone markers are almost an attempt at this except for the fact that they just... didn't really work

[reef parcel]

tone markers aren't markers of fact DX

[steel forge]

Im gonna push back on this notion of linguistic decay

Like real hard, frankly

It is entirely possible to communicate that something is a true fact about the world, even as language changes

I apologies for getting heated, this is just something I care a lot about, something I am learning about, and also something I am sick of hearing from people older than me, that I’m somehow “ruining” language

[reef parcel]

I'm happy to take this to pms, because like I'm not actually trying to drag this thread into debate club I'm mostly trying to be funny

[steel forge]

Well if this isn’t actually a serious opinion you hold Im happy to drop it

[reef parcel]

no I'm serious about it but I don't want to do it here

[steel forge]

Also, cell data decided to not show me this message; you are correct, and I am realising that in my brain it is identical in the way that it frees your finger up to do something else at the same speed press quickcast does

Apologies

[glossy stratus]

This is my problem with wsad camera, I have precisely one too few easily-accessible keys for my main abilities, with f on attack-move

[reef parcel]

oh, right, what's that term... flight time

it has the same flight time yeah

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Daniel-Escobar-Grisales-2/publication/339060347/figure/fig3/AS:987472129425408@1612443110155/Hold-Time-time-between-press-and-release-of-a-key-Flight-Time-time-between-pressing-a.png

[steel forge]

That is exactly what I was grasping at, thanks :)

[reef parcel]

<@&877973728997294120> looking for a fourth and fifth o/

[olive moon]

sure, i can play

[real parcel]

Dang it winged only go looking when I’ve just stepped out for dinner.

[glossy stratus]

Ooh, Dota

[paper shell]

As a quick cast on press user for specific slots only I disagree

I want my blink dagger slot on press quick cast because I have that a lot dedicated to a mouse button

Meaning I always have a finger dedicated to only that button basically

Though my neutral item slot is bound to my other mouse thumb button but that one rarely comes up so flight time doesn’t matter as much

[willow topaz]

while we're talking about hotkeys and options and stuff, does anyone know a way to select channeled abilities hold/stop on a per hero basis?

[willow topaz]

I'd rather have it on on every hero in the game except puck

but gosh is it annoying on puck

[viscid tapir]

I don't think you can unfortuantely

I'd like it on puck too, and riki

because you can't cast smokescreen in tricks of the trade without disabling the option

[willow topaz]

ah, yea, that makes sense

same type of idea, I'm just not a riki player so I didn't think of it

[real parcel]

I like lots of things about this game, but the fact every item feels like it needs to have an active as its key feature is not my favorite. The mental stack on priorities/execution, use cases, and 'what to buy' is just unnecessarily high.

[manic nimbus]

I think it makes the items interesting and has been an important part of the game since the start

and kinda makes for a lot of the complexity and interesting decisions

[glossy stratus]

Unfortunately, I think that's a pretty intentional part of Dota's design philosophy - in general, there's a lot of focus on decisionmaking and design choices that increase the depth of that mental stack

[gritty sparrow]

It can be a bit rough on the hands if you are a person that, say, buys mostly active items

[paper shell]

Most of those actives also have specific use cases which does mean when to use them is pretty straight forward

[gritty sparrow]

Some p5s come to mind

[paper shell]

but you do still need to learn when

[glossy stratus]

So items are intentionally powerful and diverse enough that your build changes significantly based on the situation

[steel forge]

Blink being bound to a mouse button makes a lot of sense, and I can 100% see the reasoning behind presscast specifically for blink

[paper shell]

I also have quickcast tp on middle mouse

which I love

[viscid tapir]

wild

[steel forge]

Huh

[viscid tapir]

incomprehensible

[paper shell]

Which is why I ocassionally tp weird 😛

[steel forge]

Yeah I dunno my keybinds are all just the default except mousegrip and the neutral item

[viscid tapir]

terrible beyond my mortal ken

[paper shell]

because of "quick" tp

[viscid tapir]

anyway <@&877973728997294120> anyone up for video game?

[glossy stratus]

Good timing

Was about to ping for an AD

[delicate jungle]

uhhhhh mayb

[steel forge]

I am at a music festival failing to go to sleep so no dota for me

[glossy stratus]

But I could be convinced to do a normal Dote as well

[paper shell]

My cave in minecraft isnt very fruitful

so Im happy to dote

[real parcel]

could probably.

[steel forge]

Okay also this is an alltimer

[glossy stratus]

Have a good music festival btw!

[steel forge]

Thanksss, I have been

[glossy stratus]

They got me

[paper shell]

I lied

[steel forge]

I cannot tell if they were entirely joking or if they were mad about multicast

[glossy stratus]

It was an AD game, which makes it even more baffling

[steel forge]

Oh, lmao

[glossy stratus]

I was using my muscles to travel across the map

[steel forge]

Ogre magi with zip?

[glossy stratus]

Yep

[steel forge]

Highly illegal

[glossy stratus]

It turns out you don't get that much mana/regen from str, so it's a bit awkward

But on the other hand you're also entirely immortal

[steel forge]

Can you even get mutlicast in ad?

[glossy stratus]

Nope

[steel forge]

Thank goodness

[glossy stratus]

Yep

Also thank goodness they removed Meepo ulti

[manic nimbus]

I had meepos and tinker missile once

it was a good time

[paper shell]

dear god

[paper shell]

he abandoned 4 times

[manic nimbus]

really sending a message

[glossy stratus]

Note that the first time was automatic after AFKing in base for 5 minutes

He then came back and actually played for a fair bit?

[gritty sparrow]

I checked out your AD game btw

That Shadow Demons build was funny

[paper shell]

He did a lot of damage

[gritty sparrow]

It looked actually impossible to lane against

[glossy stratus]

Sadly the game ended before Argent got a manta

So we didn't learn whether manta Jakiros get Hammer of Purity

[viscid trout]

it does too much damage

[gritty sparrow]

It would not, it's a spell with a cooldown

[olive moon]

manta jakiros do get glaives of wisdom on their second attack

so there's some funny bug out there with on hit attacks and manta jak

[gritty sparrow]

I would say not a spell cast and has no cool down but he shouldn't be doing that anyways.

The scariest part is if that worked because AD is buggy is that the way it is categorized is similar enough to a much better spell that if it worked for Hammer, it should work for this.
And that is Walrus Punch

[reef parcel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uo8jGL9j3E @stark linden

[stark linden]

im a tree, dont mind me

[serene arrow]

play monkey king, disguise as tree

[reef parcel]

omg, tree comp

treant

monkey king

bonus lifestealer

[serene arrow]

lol

i'll admit Monkey King's VA is a bit of a letdown after playing the same guy in Ravenswatch :P

[reef parcel]

haha

[serene arrow]

he's not like, bad

he just has a lot less chaotic immortal idiot god energy

[reef parcel]

def

though dota 2 monkey king did fuck broodmother so that's great

[serene arrow]

yeah haha

[reef parcel]

https://i.redd.it/9i5hyjvtcj481.jpg

[paper shell]

https://youtu.be/iJxG6In2Dp8?si=hFxacxxfLvzDP6Fp

[paper shell]

This guide is very good not just for playing the hero but how to play with the hero

[stark linden]

<@&877973728997294120> Any gamers around, me and ash looking for a stack :3

[paper shell]

Yeah I’d love to

[glossy stratus]

I could Dota

[reef parcel]

i'm a dot

[glossy stratus]

Though if we have extra people I can also not Dota, currently messing around with VTT configuration stuff

[real parcel]

Could, but am bad

[stark linden]

well we dont have extra people currently, so youre in :3

that would make 5!

@paper shell @glossy stratus you two joining?

[paper shell]

That’s the plan

[stark linden]

were in voice :3

[paper shell]

Waiting on pc to start

[olive moon]

look what happens when you swap the eyes and mouth on the sad cowboy

[paper shell]

Perfectly missed bushwhack

[sturdy venture]

<@&877973728997294120> any chance some gaymers are around?

[glossy stratus]

A bit too late for me, I'm afraid

Bad news, I am now a Certified Toxic Gamer

[viscid tapir]

smh

[viscid trout]

hoping no one asks me why I'm not 12k yet

[manic nimbus]

F

I'll be around in a bit maybe 30

if people are doing stuff then

[glossy stratus]

Btw @viscid tapir I figured out what happened top in that game, Treant ulti'd us, I think you tried to purge me but doubletapped and purged yourself, and it ended up irrelevant because we both got Searing Chainsed by Ember literally a tenth of a second afterwards

So you thought you purged me because you were still rooted, and I thought you didn't because I was still rooted

(And Treant walked it off 😭 )

[real parcel]

Could play.

[manic nimbus]

mb things took a little long

[sturdy venture]

nw

still up for a game?

[manic nimbus]

haha went and queued after there was no resposne for a bit

I'm up after thios one

mb

[sturdy venture]

<@&877973728997294120> back on my bs, should people want to play

[manic nimbus]

I'm unfortunately off to bed

[cursive wing]

i can coach a noob

[olive moon]

<@&877973728997294120> any gamers?

also tiny is very op

[gritty sparrow]

Toss probably shouldn't do as much damage as it currently does

[paper shell]

That and the whole it goes through bkb etc thing

[viscid tapir]

I am approximately 1 dota game late to answer, but yes I would

[paper shell]

I just finished dinner so I could play probably now

I suppose we could duo queue at the least tom

[viscid trout]

I could play too if you haven't already gotten into a game

[viscid tapir]

not yet

[paper shell]

Hard to duo queue with 3 people though

[viscid tapir]

might as well throw a new <@&877973728997294120> ping out

[paper shell]

How dare you

5 people is 3 more than duo

Incase it’s not clear id happily play with a larger stack

[viscid trout]

damn you're really twisting my arm here

[stark linden]

im around, but i kinda want a full stack

[paper shell]

I saw a tron typing

[glossy stratus]

I might be able to hop on in an hour

So game 2 if you stretch game 1 out enough

[paper shell]

Techies game it is

[steel forge]

Im in the hinterlands (small town southern ontario) for a while longer

I might catch like

Game 4 lol

[paper shell]

Neat

[paper shell]

Like where southern ontario?

I ask as like whats the nearest non-small town

[steel forge]

Depends what your cutoff for small town is

[paper shell]

Idk maybe like Sarnia?

[steel forge]

Closest is probably still guelph then; I was at hillside this weekend

[paper shell]

Ah ok

Isn't that like not southern ontario?

[steel forge]

It’s south of owen sound?

Im not sure what you consider southern ontario

It’s like half an hour northeast of kitchener

[gritty sparrow]

That at least is probably a bug, and it likely is related to how it is coded to pierce bkb for allies

[viscid tapir]

it pierces bkb just in general

[paper shell]

4v4ARADDMAM

T_T

[gritty sparrow]

You can't toss someone that is bkb'd

[viscid tapir]

no

[gritty sparrow]

Isn't the bug that the damage is going through

[viscid tapir]

no

pierces debuff immunity: yes
means that it ignore extra magic resistance from debuff immunity like from bkb, spin, rage, etc

[gritty sparrow]

I thought it was not supposed to have the damage go through fully and but still able to target them, but I suppose I must be mistaken

[viscid tapir]

Damage reduction: Debuff Immunity increases Magic Resistance and negates Pure and Reflected damage completely. These effects protect only against spells that don't pierce the Debuff Immunity. Physical Damage is not reduced in any case. Here's the list of Magic Resistance for all abilities that previously gave Spell Immunity:
(Emphasis mine)

from 7.33

If I had to guess, Toss will be changed to not pierce debuff immunity

and the numbers will be tuned down a bit

[manic nimbus]

its pretty wild atm

you can't links it right?

[viscid tapir]

yeah it just fully ignores linkens

which is weird

because lotus does bounce the thrown unit back

[stark linden]

[viscid tapir]

@fathom bolt I see you've left already, but if you wanted to play I could coach up

[fathom bolt]

Oh alas not tonight

[viscid tapir]

okay! we started the game already also :P

[paper shell]

@glossy stratus are you avail for game?

[glossy stratus]

Probably not I'm afraid

[paper shell]

Ah a shame

[viscid tapir]

guess that means you should come back emily :P

[viscid tapir]

bad combo discovered:
phoenix aghs refreshes undying instant-respawn

[gritty sparrow]

The ultimate feed

[steel forge]

I have a real doozy of a guess the hero (not pictured: a consumed aghs)

[viscid tapir]

drow

[reef parcel]

... Nyx?

[paper shell]

||After my game yesterday I wish I was them D:||

Honestly its a reasonable build

The silver edge is a bit gratitoutous over boots of bearing

[steel forge]

I'm highly unconvinced by this build when it's ||rubick with extra space padding||

they did do very well, but the build is nonetheless odd

[paper shell]

Its all reasonable choices, the silver edge is like an alternative for blink

Makes you hard to catch in fights

[steel forge]

I don't get making it the full silver edge

[paper shell]

yeah that part is strange, compared to khanda or bearing. Or some other item and selling soul ring

Honestly... in that game, this is a more baffling inventory

[steel forge]

yeahh

that tb died to necro twice by just standing in the trees at 0 hp trying to sunder

[paper shell]

Thats so good

[steel forge]

the order of the earlier build was a pretty big contributor to the weirdness of it

they bought the shadow amulet before finishing the ethereal blade

[paper shell]

Invisibility is invincibility

I wish I had some sort of mana item so I didn't need to use soul ring constantly... If only such an item existed.

Would be cool if that item say, extended cast range. Would make for a great caster item.

[steel forge]

if only

[paper shell]

I was going to ask you if you wanted to duo queue

but you queued to fast

[steel forge]

oh well I would've wanted to

unfortunate

[steel forge]

@paper shell you still around? my pos1 undying abandoned

[paper shell]

Ah, no I'm expecting a delivery from ikea in the next 30 mins now

[steel forge]

exciting

[paper shell]

very

Oh its arriving rn

[honest idol]

That's within 30 minutes

[paper shell]

didn't even ring the doorbell smh

[paper shell]

I have convinced Tron on the combo. It went well

[viscid trout]

Exceedingly it looks like

[paper shell]

The muerta warlock lane had nothing to stop us

[viscid trout]

What was their plan anyway

Fatal bonds, Spirit Calling

Maybe the double shot passive works well

[steel forge]

the fatal bonds felt very sad until we hit 3

[paper shell]

This is how the io spirit breaker lane goes, we are sad until level 3 sometimes 2. As long as we don’t let them get an insurmountable lead we then proceed to win lane

[viscid trout]

when warlock bonds you and the wave, it shoves it

so it sounds like their best way to harass you is also letting you hit 3 safer under t1

[steel forge]

yeah kinda lol

[paper shell]

Yup pretty much exactly what happened

[viscid tapir]

@steel forge btw if you want to learn puck, I think it's practically mandatory to uncheck "channeled abilities require hold/stop"

[steel forge]

yeah I do believe you're correct

I thought I could get away with just shift-queuing

That was not true

[viscid trout]

why do I know this? I am that warlock player

well not the exact one from that game

[viscid trout]

wish this was a setting for per-hero

doing it for oracle and switching it back is a PITA, I consign myself to hit S after Q

[viscid tapir]

i'm just relearning with it disabled

which is messing with my muscle memory for some heroes

[viscid trout]

scary for the TPs honestly

I wish there was a setting that says "channeling teleport require hold/stop" 😂

[light urchin]

Wait, what exactly does this do?

[viscid trout]

if you channel a spell, issuing any order to your hero will cancel it

teleport, blackhole, gate, outpost, etc

[viscid tapir]

there is a separate option for teleport

[viscid trout]

with the setting checked, you must press the Stop or Hold hotkey

[light urchin]

Fascinating

[willow topaz]

channeling gates counts as a teleport which always throws me off when it's relevant... like it does make sense but in my mind I don't make the connection I need to hit s until I'm on the other side of the map from the teamfight

[paper shell]

See the trick in this case is also specifically to not block their pull camp when they inevitably pull. But instead you charge them instead 😛

Bonus points if you can pull your own wave at the same time

[steel forge]

<@&877973728997294120> anyone feel like some dota 2?

[olive moon]

yea sure

[real parcel]

could

[reef parcel]

Mrr so full of curry

I will pass

[glossy stratus]

I'm a bit dead today, so probably likewise

[olive moon]

least deaths best at dodging hooks 🤛 😎 👍

[olive moon]

lol

[cursive wing]

i am playing factorio now so i cannot

wait i got pung in a different channel

[viscid tapir]

<@&877973728997294120> anyone up to defend of the ancients?

[paper shell]

🤔

[stark linden]

need to make dinner so maybe later

[delicate jungle]

One game for me, later

Necrophos is cool but I tend to struggle with “just walk at them” heroes

Like I feel like I can’t fight super well with Luna or wraith king

PL is quick enough where I don’t really feel that tho

[paper shell]

ok omw

[viscid tapir]

was just about to ask how I should interpret the hmm

[glossy stratus]

Oh I could doat

[real parcel]

is this game stilll forming, or gone?

[glossy stratus]

Looks like game 2 started a few mins ago, but I'll be up for a game 3

[reef parcel]

I'm up now

[viscid tapir]

game's done

[paper shell]

Now thats a valuable shivas

@real parcel

[paper shell]

I'm really good at rubick

[gritty sparrow]

Build blink earlier imo.

[gritty sparrow]

I have no idea how to do well at this

I feel like I've tried it so much

[paper shell]

the problem is having the money for it

we tend to have really really bad games when I play ribick

[gritty sparrow]

Yeeaeaaah, that's the annoying part. It's why I try to get it first so often, thankfully rubicks int per level is good enough that if you just don't use your spells for farming you can usually maintain one or two fights without a mana item for a while

If it is really bad I do like the aether lens first though, if you can tell it's gonna suck then you can be the annoying far away caster on high ground

[paper shell]

gg ez

[gritty sparrow]

How

[viscid trout]

it was glorious

[viscid tapir]

5-venge swapping into more 5-venge swaps

[viscid tapir]

Till's bounty rune haul from the 62 minute game

interesting, ember bought a second rapier

also, glad to see that my offlane tank enchantress does its job

also lots of fun to just impetus people in the cogs in laning stage

[serene arrow]

did anyone get wraith'd by my aghanim's blessing

[viscid tapir]

yes

[serene arrow]

idk how that thing works exactly

[viscid tapir]

it's a big aura

[serene arrow]

hope it was useful haha

[viscid tapir]

when we would die, we become the green ghost too

[serene arrow]

This game ran longer than any I've played before so I suddenly had no idea what to spend money on

[manic nimbus]

at this point you replace the armlet

with a big item

[viscid tapir]

1. always save for buyback
2. you can upgrade blink dagger
3. you can consume moon shard, as well as giving moon shard to other teammates to consume

[manic nimbus]

probably a daamge one

[viscid tapir]

that too

[manic nimbus]

either a big damage item or an abyssal

[serene arrow]

yeah I kept stocked up for a buyback while saving for BKB and also afterwards

[manic nimbus]

yeah thats good too

[serene arrow]

never needed to use it but it was nice to have it

oh moon shard is nifty

[viscid tapir]

was reassuring to see
I feel like an argument could be made for a sange&yasha that game because they had so much stuff they were throwing out

so slow resistance + status resistance could be nice

as well as the lifesteal amp and attack/movespeed

[serene arrow]

yeah

[viscid tapir]

also I joke but if ever there was a game where Wraith King could pick up a Divine Rapier

[serene arrow]

Replacing armlet's a good shout, so far it's been an item I've gotten ASAP and just kept until the very end 'cause it's just really strong for its cost on someone like Wraith King

But yeah the big weapons are a good luxury upgrade on that

[manic nimbus]

yeah its a good medium item

but those get replaced once the slots are done

endgame itemising is its own weird minigame where it depends on a lot of things

I think SnY is very defensible too

[manic nimbus]

had some food honestly pretty tired and unlikely to be around more I think tonight

[steel forge]

this is probably what a midas shadow blade philosopher's stone troll deserves

[reef parcel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lFXbd25Zpc

[viscid trout]

holy shit, this is incredible

well played!

[serene arrow]

Wait, damn, I had the second lowest deaths, huh

Didn't really feel like that

[paper shell]

https://youtu.be/tSi45zfH4PI?si=DD_MECZ8fGL_H04u

This wand trick is pretty cool and maybe too big brain for me

Otherwise a great video about warding

[reef parcel]

omg this is genius

[steel forge]

did I miss offlane slark becoming a real thing at some point?

[steel forge]

okay no this isn't a real thing it's just slark pickers

[reef parcel]

These two messages are very funny in tandem

[gritty sparrow]

The caster Jenkins also made a video on it a while ago hyping it up

But Jenkins is kind of in that tier of good where like

It's good when he, specifically, plays it, and trolling if almost anyone else on earth does

[steel forge]

@viscid tapir I am currently folding laundry but I can be on in a bit

[steel forge]

oh I see

[viscid tapir]

aye aye

[final mountain]

Speaking of Slark. turns out that since Slark ulti counts as invis and since dust does damage on application now, Slark takes ~250 damage if he uses Dark Pact in his ulti while in dust AOE

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452175328148979713/1266239787799674931/2024-07-25_23-40-08.mp4?ex=66a46d33&is=66a31bb3&hm=bcc202314e22133ca23d4488ded535d61e068397dd8299bd2a2ddb067eec6498&

Enjoy your new OP anti-slark tech

[glossy stratus]

Wait hold on

What about Demonic Cleanse

[final mountain]

Would probably work the same on an invis unit standing in dust yes

[olive moon]

holy shit demonic cleanse makes you immune to dust

[steel forge]

huh

[olive moon]

u needed bkb instead of crit in that last game#

[steel forge]

yeah

[olive moon]

<@&877973728997294120> any gamers?

[delicate jungle]

I could if we get more

[manic nimbus]

I can see the logic to it tbh

much like offlane am

but its a bit of a mess

and honestly its probably better to just play a regular offlaner

[cursive wing]

hi dota gamers

[steel forge]

playing support in a game with weaver

is so sad

I would just die to random right clicks

not even right clicks I guess, just shukuchi marks

[reef parcel]

the feminine urge to play blarglarblebralr

[serene arrow]

lol

oh no you screenshot'd before I fixed my errors

[clear terrace]

blargle

[reef parcel]

@serene arrow as a really funny note, you'll find it entirely unsurprising that

• your favorite p1 is wraith king
• my favorite p1 is phantom assassin
• till's favorite p1 is slark

he loooves slark

[serene arrow]

yeah lol

[reef parcel]

dota has so much mechanical rep for fucked up little gremlin boys

[serene arrow]

i mean I think there's some other P1s I could like a lot

it's just that I'm keeping it simple to start with

Sven and Drow Ranger both seem cool, I just have a much worse record playing Sven :P

(though I've had at least one really good round as him (that we lost anyway))

[reef parcel]

yeah sven is badass but surprisingly technical

another hero I consider badass but surprisingly technical is primal beast

primal beast is like, weirdly easy to die as if you don't really use all his tools to stay alive correctly

roaring and running around like a husky in a dog park

[serene arrow]

I have had the "swing at an enemy hero and three of them die" experience as Sven, but then the other two killed me and this was all on our hill when we were on the backfoot iirc

[paper shell]

I think a huge part of having a good primal game is winning lane, and specifically not losing lane

[serene arrow]

also wow i missed this line until just now

targeted

but yeah tbh I did get that impression from him

weird dog

[light urchin]

Techies my beloved

[light urchin]

for fucked up goblin gameplay I'm also fond of bounty hunter and rubick

mug people for their wallet or for their spells

[real parcel]

<@&877973728997294120> Any defenders?

[delicate jungle]

no sadly

poe time

[glossy stratus]

Not until later for me

[glossy stratus]

This is kind of a classic Sven experience, whether he's an unkillable god or a particularly large melee creep depends entirely on his team (and if he has BKB active)

[viscid tapir]

had a game where he was both

steamrolling everyone on the enemy team except the lifestealer, who he did no damage to

[glossy stratus]

That's also a classic

[viscid tapir]

fortunately, mid enchantress with a bloodthorn who is getting bloodlusted kills LS pretty okay

dies to LC though

[glossy stratus]

Anyone with an Orchid makes LS and Ursa super sad, love me a silence stick

[steel forge]

is that actually how that works out? I would've thought enchant owns lc in a duel

not enchant

the other thing

[glossy stratus]

Blademail plus LC's counterattack (which ignores Untouchable), plus not getting Wisps off, makes for a sad deer

[glossy stratus]

(Also BKB lets you ignore it I think? It's gone back and forth)

[steel forge]

I suppose that means her aghs would also get around it

LC’s I mean

[viscid tapir]

nah, untouchable pierces debuff immunity

[steel forge]

I am convinced enchantress is the weirdest hero in dota

[viscid tapir]

she's just a deer lady

i don't see the problem

[steel forge]

None of her abilities bear any relation I can see to eachother

Like, there’s heroes with weirder conceits, for sure

But enchantress like, heals, and controls creeps, and has an autoattack modifier, and has this exceptionally weird passive

[woeful nimbus]

I think the answer is just: Night Elf Dryads (or just night elves in general) did that in WC3

[viscid tapir]

not really, spell immunity -> untouchable is like maybe a line but impetus and nature's attendants are dota inventions, and enchant was a neutral hero ult

but also thank you Aurelia for segueing me perfectly

[viscid tapir]

the only real weird part about enchantress is that the wc3 dryad's chest texture was mirrored to her back:

[steel forge]

Okay that is very strange

[woeful nimbus]

hhuh

[elder lodge]

Listen you do what you can to save space

also shall never forgive WoW for making Night Elves not jacked

[olive moon]

<@&877973728997294120> any gamers?

[viscid tapir]

ill be around in 10, making dinner now

[glossy stratus]

I'll be available for game 2

[cursive wing]

hey bb

[viscid tapir]

you're 2.5 hours late theyflower

but also game 3 just wrapped up so there might be space

[reef parcel]

<@&877973728997294120> we have 3, looking for 2 more

[steel forge]

I could dote

[glossy stratus]

I could hop on

[glossy stratus]

@steel forge
On Chrome URL

type "chrome://flags/"

Goto > "Allow WebRTC to adjust the input volume" = DISABLE (set to disable)

[olive moon]

@real parcel

[olive moon]

:)

[viscid tapir]

nice

[paper shell]

Wow very cool

How much it cost ya 🙂

[olive moon]

i think it was like 15 boxes but i can sell the pudge for a good chunk of tha back

i only really wanted the jugg

[reef parcel]

<@&877973728997294120> hey guys we're looking for one more player for a dota game

[paper shell]

I’m grocery shopping RN but would be interested when I get home

[reef parcel]

oh lovely. when will you be home

[paper shell]

Idk like 30+ mins

[reef parcel]

hmm okay

well we can wait

not a big deal

[olive moon]

a friend's build

[elder lodge]

Timbersaw has no need for petty.. other complications. If you don't die you don't die

[reef parcel]

I have converted one more believer to the church of quickcast

https://tenor.com/view/nichijou-dog-gif-22109708

I could just tell @stark linden was quickcasting in this game, it's like. you see it and you know it.

you see someone snap grabbing timbersaws flinging past them and you're like oh. one of us.

https://tenor.com/view/squad-get-together-gif-5705243

[stark linden]

https://tenor.com/view/the-matrix-matrix-matrix-vision-code-the-one-gif-4011231

me turning on quickcast

[light urchin]

lmao

[paper shell]

anyone smarter than me know if this set od deals lets me go infinite?

Seems pretty good

[glossy stratus]

Pretty sure you can't, unfortunately

[paper shell]

sad

[void grove]

my decade long winstreak continues

[reef parcel]

ten years undefeated

you're like an ace attorney villain

[void grove]

you may touch the hem of my robe, that you may be cured

[reef parcel]

Never Lost A Case

now I gotta give our games case names

the Case of the Quickcast Pugna

[stark linden]

<@&877973728997294120> any doters around 👀
me and ash looking for some gamers

[reef parcel]

[cursive wing]

Soon

[stark linden]

how soon

[cursive wing]

Let me check the temporal reality

I will have food to eat in 7 minutes

[reef parcel]

alright sounds like a functional no then o/

[stark linden]

oki, well lets see if a 5 stack coalesces in the meantime

[reef parcel]

yeah

otherwise i'll figure something else out with jenjen

[cursive wing]

ok im eating this

its good

[stark linden]

[cursive wing]

i ate it

[stark linden]

sadly looks its just us three, and while i dont mind dealing with 1 rando, i dont wanna deal with 2

[reef parcel]

<@&877973728997294120> we've got a 3 stack. we want two mooore

[paper shell]

I could maybe chill a game

[reef parcel]

yayyyy

[stark linden]

lets gooooo

[paper shell]

I'll be there shortly

[gritty sparrow]

My first game as storm spirit

And the enemy does this sicko shit

[steel forge]

And still you went 19 and 5

Very impressive

[manic nimbus]

I always respect the sicko shit

[real parcel]

<@&877973728997294120> Any defenders this morning?

[steel forge]

I could

[unborn isle]

possibly

[real parcel]

do it

<@&877973728997294120> Queing momentarily, unless we should wait for someone? 3/5 currently, so additional people more than welcome.

[steel forge]

uh

you can duel wraiths

and it gives you duel damage when they die

[honest idol]

Legion Commander, Ghost-Buster

[glossy stratus]

On the one hand, free damage

On the other, if you lose, you will never live down your shame

[honest idol]

Wraith: Bonus Damaga (+238)

[steel forge]

now this, this is an inventory

[paper shell]

Undying

[paper shell]

Or omni knight

[viscid tapir]

<@&877973728997294120> anyone up for some defending of the ancients?

I know Hicksu poked in earlier

[willow topaz]

I could probably defend a singular ancient

[viscid tapir]

@real parcel -specific poke

[real parcel]

Was out of the house, one moment

[paper shell]

Have I taken too long to respond?

[viscid tapir]

yes

[paper shell]

Ok!

[paper shell]

How about that game 2 with an entierly new roster of players 😄

[viscid tapir]

"entirely new"

@real parcel alright this time for real maybe

[gritty sparrow]

@glossy stratus Do you have any sick storm spirit tips

My trials with puck have been bad and my trials with storm have been better

[glossy stratus]

Not really, he's pretty straightforward tbh

I really like mana boots first, it gives you a lot more reach and flexibility early

Also hardly my own tech, but against a lot of teams an early Eternal Shroud gives you enough survivability they simply can't kill you during their lockdown, and you get a bunch of mana if they try

[gritty sparrow]

Makes sense. I also have been taking static slide because the other one seems like it has a lot of chance to not do anything

[real parcel]

I'm sorry everyone...I might be a dirty AM enjoyer.

funny auto attacks go brrrr

[gritty sparrow]

It's okay

Karmic justice will find you eventually

You haven't played with me but when you do you'll see that my mini profile is Anti mage getting crucified by a pair of Rubicks

[glossy stratus]

Static Slide is absolutely the way to go, it makes you so much stronger in lane and also just does more in fights

...I suspect, I admittedly haven't tried Shock Collar yet. It definitely is an improvement over old remnant in fights

[gritty sparrow]

Like, if you get late and have the overload talents plus the aghs then I can see the reasoning

Or if they buff shock collar to start the duration when your W ends rather than begins

Cause it says 5 seconds but realistically it's a little under 3

Upon which they do need to finish the auto attack, there are people that will get vortex'd, will use their spells on you in response after, and by the time they finish their backswing the duration is over.

Or maybe they could overload you each time you auto during it and have it not expire after one attack

[glossy stratus]

I assume the overloads wouldn't bounce at 25, since it's your attacks bounce

Aghs helps in theory

Overload also slows attack speed, so you're even less likely to proc it more than once or twice

[glossy stratus]

Wait, it expires after one attack? Lmao, I'd assumed it at least countered like, Windrunner

[viscid tapir]

wow, that's bad

i'm double checking because surely that wouldn't be the case

[glossy stratus]

I suppose the idea is it helps you trade in lane, if you take one point in Vortex and max Overload?

[viscid tapir]

unrelatedly, Lark - have you moved dota to an SSD?

[glossy stratus]

But Slide is so much better

[glossy stratus]

Not yet, since Amazon decided not to deliver today -_-

But should arrive tomorrow

Er, today

[viscid tapir]

why is this so bad what the heck

[gritty sparrow]

I am unsure. Cause Larks point is right in that looking at the talents there wouldn't actualyl be any difference

And the good parts of overload aside from the damage, which is not that much if you look at it as a single instance, are the slow and attack slow

But neither really comes into play in the instance of its occurance. If they have just attacked you, they aren't moving so the slow doesn't matter, and they just attacked you, so the attack slow also doesn't matter

It feels like it would need some changes to really stand out at all

[sturdy venture]

<@&877973728997294120> anyone up for a match or 2 (or 3) starting in about 10 minutes/whenever I'm done eating my sandwich?

[unborn isle]

uh sure

[woeful nimbus]

I'm down

[manic nimbus]

try to restrain your enthusiasm and leave enough mana to get out too

is the big one

the big choice is imo witchblade or orchid first item

I see basically all good players getting one or the other because you need to be able to pickoff

treads gets better the more comfy you are with switching

[gritty sparrow]

I am so used to it I'm one of those people that tread swaps just to cast my spells

[manic nimbus]

thats good

I am personally a treads enjoyer on heroes like storm

but I can see the arcanes argument

uh

beg your team to play heroes that gif mana

thats an important tip

[paper shell]

have an alch buy you a bottle at start of game

[real parcel]

<@&877973728997294120> Anyone interested in defending?

[cursive wing]

sorry im gonna play lancer soon

wait thats tomorrow

yes;'

[paper shell]

The channel name is a lie, thats not a dota stream

[real parcel]

<@&877973728997294120> One (1) additional ping attempt.

[stark linden]

still at work

[unborn isle]

verry potentialy mabye, kinda eppy

[paper shell]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/s/D2vRdNpteu

[real parcel]

<@&877973728997294120> Any early-timing defenders?

[unborn isle]

yeahy

[real parcel]

@sturdy venture ?

[sturdy venture]

:<

Unfortunately, I am required to participate in capitalism

[real parcel]

darn. I think I may bow back out then, if we're at a number less than 3.

[willow topaz]

https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.37

[viscid tapir]

!!

<@&877973728997294120>

[stark linden]

Ooooh

Rosh outpost tp down to 4 from 6 is feels huge

[viscid tapir]

will double that ping for also "hey who wants to play new patch?"

[stark linden]

Making food
Then need to eat said food

[paper shell]

Alas i'm waiting for my bit in a streamer stream

I'm gunna be apart of dueltaining again 😄

[stark linden]

Philosophers stone is limited...

[delicate jungle]

W O A G H

leshrac buff?

[viscid tapir]

that's so much health

[willow topaz]

this is funny

[paper shell]

typical

[viscid tapir]

aww

I liked the double token

[willow topaz]

torrent storm gone, kunkka buffed in other ways a bit

cool I think

[viscid tapir]

new bristle facet

[willow topaz]

that's cool

[stark linden]

ooooh

theyre playing around with vision more

that rules

[glossy stratus]

Significant nerf, I'm pretty sure - 80% for 5s instead of 75% for 6s, and much worse when inactive

[viscid tapir]

hilarious

perfect game design

[glossy stratus]

I am trapped at work, and still need to set up my SSD, so maybe game, like 5 :p

[glossy stratus]

This is so wild, I love it

[willow topaz]

wait this is so cool

just buff all your team's TP rotations

[glossy stratus]

Playing a stealth game sneaking past a farming BB

[willow topaz]

I guess it's only level 1 for the most relevant part of the game but stilll

[glossy stratus]

20% move speed + 10% damage reduction is pretty big if you BoT in

[reef parcel]

I love that they're making spellblock and reflection consistent

[glossy stratus]

Consistency? In my Dota?

[viscid tapir]

yeah!

[stark linden]

but can you control quick cast on wards yet

can you icefrog

[reef parcel]

how does the new shadow amulet work

[willow topaz]

winter wyvern untouched let's go

[willow topaz]

don't nerf my current busted seeming hero

[glossy stratus]

Oh interesting

[reef parcel]

philosopher's stone now finishes huh

[glossy stratus]

Tbh I kind of like just as a QoL thing

[viscid tapir]

interesting, Kunkka's innate has an icon

[glossy stratus]

No more needing to swap philo stone in and out if I want to be optimal

[reef parcel]

omg

I love the new warpath

[viscid tapir]

omg

[stark linden]

i hope they do more funky vision stuff

[reef parcel]

yesss

funky vision stuff is SO good

[viscid tapir]

lycan can get level 6 wolves

[glossy stratus]

Wait Spirit Bear return counts as a TP

That's actually pretty big with Underlord

[reef parcel]

:c

icefrog is onto me @manic nimbus

[viscid tapir]

it was kind of bullshit

[stark linden]

booooo

[glossy stratus]

Oh, Gleipnir getting blocked by Linkens is funky

[viscid tapir]

@steel forge finally, we know what Curveball does!

[paper shell]

I liked that it was feelsbased

just had to guess

[viscid tapir]

Third Eye
New Innate ability. Passive, can't be leveled up
Templar Assassin and her teammates can see Roshan's respawn timer

this will be huge in pro games

I bet

[stark linden]

ooooooh

[paper shell]

At least TA isn't a meta hero

[stark linden]

yeah that seems like a big pro tool

[paper shell]

wait...

[glossy stratus]

Oooh

Huh, that shovel change makes it pretty amazing for bottle heroes

[viscid tapir]

Viper's attacks deal an additional instance of physical damage per missing health percentage of his target, equal to 0.25 + 0.05 per Viper's level. Only works on heroes
IT'S BACK

[glossy stratus]

Hard to compete with that much regen

[paper shell]

Dagon buff?

Looks like dagon drow is back on the menu Tom

new arc warden support tech

[viscid tapir]

lol

[stark linden]

looool

[glossy stratus]

#TODO:

[glossy stratus]

How does Bottle work on Arc?

[viscid tapir]

it's runes in particular

they give 4s of regeneration rune

[paper shell]

No one mentioned it yet

Thank god

[glossy stratus]

And there was much rejoicing

Slugger
Knockback effect is now applied on any kill made by an Earthshaker's ability, not just Enchant Totem

Echoslamming someone in a wave is going to be absurd, I love this

[paper shell]

Fissure also will be funny

[viscid tapir]

5 man echo slam
they all blademail
you still get XP anyway

[stark linden]

slight festeration buff

which is neat
but i still think the split ward is better for late game unless you know you have a lane where both of you want to be aggro af

[viscid tapir]

@real parcel alright, ready to queue now

@delicate jungle are you mute/deafened on purpose?

[steel forge]

Good to know that the path is baffling and unintuitve Im not just bad lol

[willow topaz]

yea I think curveball is not good

I would like it to be good since it's cool, but the fact that the orb can expire at a non-3 second duration is really painful

just completely messes with your intuition for when you can jaunt

[steel forge]

Tbh Im of the opposite opinion, I think curveball is the better one, it was just super hard to use before

Though honestly they’re just both kinda good facets

[willow topaz]

yea we really are of the opposite opinion I kind of dislike both but at least the rift one doesn't actively mess me up...

the curveball orb certainly is cool at least though

[viscid tapir]

the curveball path now remains visible after you cast it

so you know when it will expire

[willow topaz]

oooh

okay I thought it was just at time of cast

I'm not sure how often I'll be actively looking at it

but that's still nice for sure

[keen patrol]

How does Phantom Lancer's new innate work?