if anyone wants to peanut gallery me
#DOTA 2
paper shell
viscid tapir
bring back the hero taverns and also don't despawn them after picking
let me pay 850 gold to pick rubick at 12 minutes into the game
steel forge
if anyone wants to peanut gallery me
I am indeed already watching
olive moon
im being just the right amount of toxic
pearl chasm
Slightly cheeky, yet restrained
viscid tapir
im being just the right amount of toxic
I am the same
paper shell
T_T all my friends are toxic dota players
viscid trout
god damn, kiyotaka windranger is nutty
(just catching up on ti13 qualifier highlights)
olive moon
necro fun hero
delicate jungle
<@&877973728997294120> one or two games?
delicate jungle
ye
paper shell
I want to play but I’m waiting for my landlord to show up at my place to give me the other key
gritty sparrow
I want to play but I’m waiting for my landlord to show up at my place to give me...
reef parcel
hey fun dota level fuckery https://fxtwitter.com/Ziiptie/status/1802888177679511594 @manic nimbus
olive moon
my midlaner at 19 minutes
viscid trout
😢
glossy stratus
Okay, on some heroes that's understandable, if unfortunate
But how do you lose mid that hard on necro?!
paper shell
That’s the spirit
steel forge
I truly do not understand how necro becomes a threat ever because I've seen it maybe once
I too could lose mid as necro
viscid trout
he's pretty annoying to fight tbh
paper shell
Anyone interested in maybe playing a game?
steel forge
I could dota
olive moon
<@&877973728997294120> need 1 more gamer
olive moon
@viscid tapir I CAN DO IT TOO
viscid tapir
play TA?
paper shell
Yes
gritty sparrow
But how do you lose mid that hard on *necro*?!
There is an equilibrium to necro where you need to keep getting last hits and trading with the q as you heal to keep up. People that outrange his Q beat him, if you are good at denying you can, if he gets ganked and suddenly loses a lot of resources where he can't sit im wave safely, or just if they pick something with magic damage that can sustain through you
He is very squishy without items or last hits
The problem with the image posted really is that you shouldn't commit to a radiance if you're behind, especially on necro who has a lot of cheap value items he can get
I did actually check out this match cause I was curious and it was a sniper mid which, yeah, very uninteractive. There was a tusk and disrupter sidelane that could have ended that snipers career if they ganked
glossy stratus
I mean sure, there's plenty of matchups you lose
I'm just impressed at getting that little
manic nimbus
Yeah for sure
I agree with that and that that build is pretty bad if losing
You can usually at least grab waves and farm safe ish
gritty sparrow
Necro is like a big stat check
If necro loses the stat check it's very easy for him to be a useless lump
You can farm jungle sort of fine but it requires mana and he did not have any mana items
This is also why I get the evasion talisman first on necro. It tells them what you're doing earlier but if I beef it then a heavens halberd is good on you as well
And you largely don't care about the attack damage
manic nimbus
I tend to just go for like shroud -> eul if the game goes bad
love a good fight over mid
viscid tapir
so glad /roll exists and is used sometimes, and it's not literally just "I clicked first" anymore
now whether the roll is respected is different
also, watching the SEA qualifiers:
2 teams now have picked support MK with the tree dance facet and used it to just snipe couriers all laning stage
and it seems almost effective
(I'll still be angry if a MK does this in a pub and doesn't communicate the idea beforehand)
gritty sparrow
I've seen a lot of MKs going that facet recently but I'll see them using it to be fucking impossible to catch regardless of their position
steel forge
(I'll still be angry if a MK does this in a pub and doesn't communicate the idea...
I actually had a pub mk do that
They were incredibly toxic, but it seemed pretty effective
viscid tapir
the one time i've had it happen I was completely unprepared
steel forge
We were unable to parley it into anything though because nobody had drafted strong laning heroes
viscid tapir
and didn't realize I would be alone in lane
manic nimbus
so glad `/roll` exists and is used sometimes, and it's not literally just "I cli...
yeah though this person put their thing mid and typed roll
after the mid had picked a hero
so
steel forge
playing ranked as a support feels like herding cats
reef parcel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdPi3M7cXcI witch doctor! @stark linden
paper shell
This video really makes that witch doctor we were playing with feel even more baffling what they did in lane
stark linden
what was he doing?
paper shell
I think this is the problem with stuff like tortellini guides just showing the item build pros do. Because this build is pretty unintuitive
paper shell
what was he doing?
Not being in lane
stark linden
that is not ideal yeah
paper shell
It also skips cask until past ult
stark linden
you really wanna be in lane and be aggressive with hex + festeration
oh yeah you really want at least 1 level in cask
its stupid it doesnt get that
paper shell
Which while maxing the restrain and maledict is good, you need a level in cask in lower level gameplay imo
stark linden
yeah
paper shell
That all being said this build is really strong
But it’s likely to grief your games if you or the person playing don’t know what they’re doing
stark linden
how hard is it to make your own guides?
paper shell
I can’t imagine it’s that hard
steel forge
It's quite easy
viscid trout
how hard is it to make your own guides?
it's in the Hero tab, there's a sub-tab called guides. Pretty straight forward. It's got some bad signposting in the UI but there's also tabs within the guide creator itself for pages like talents and so on
light urchin
I am still unable to play dota 
Have yet to find a fix for this damned issue
noble tusk
reef parcel
how hard is it to make your own guides?
https://steamcommunity.com/app/570/guides here you go
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128717832 here's an example of an ancient guide I made a decade ago
steel forge
huh
stark linden
well youre not wrong wrong, in that sceptre is technically also more overgrowth
but its octarine and refresher yes
stark linden
updated my scepter description
viscid trout
Here we go :3 https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3271115930
do you wait for tormentor for your shard, or is just better to buy it outright
also why is this page doing this to me:
stark linden
no idea
also for shard
it depends
if you have the money early
just go for it
shard is worth it cause you can use it to survive
but if its like
19:00 and you just got the money for shard
wait a minute and see if you get it from torm?
viscid trout
oh wait, shard is at 14, but tormentor is at 20
stark linden
yeah
viscid trout
this seems like a situation where earlier is better but ok
stark linden
sometimes youll just have a very poverty game
and get shard late
then its maybe worth gambling a bit for a tormentor shard
otherwise idk if its worth the wait?
viscid trout
kk just seeing if shard vs glimmer is big decision point tbh (one definitely feels like greed vs team)
stark linden
i prioritize shard over glimmer personally
but i can see glimmer being worth early
especially if youre in a game against a bunch of magic damage
manic nimbus
But it’s likely to grief your games if you or the person playing don’t know wha...
yeah I have seen it be amazing once
and terrible a bunch of times
I think you really need to be super aggressive with it
paper shell
Its a very different playstyle/gameplan for witchdoctor
viscid trout
do you think it teamfights well, or that it's better for roaming gank skirmishes?
stark linden
its really good early game cause it lets you be super aggressive and get a bunch of kills with rightclick + festeration + hex
as far as ganking and team fighting, its witch doctor, he can cask for a semi reliable stun
then hex death ward for a ton of damage
the festeration hex combo helps most during laning imo
its nice later too but not as useful as hex death ward
glossy stratus
(Hex = Maledict?)
viscid trout
just pretend it's a dota 1 name
stark linden
nah i understand the confusinon, cause hex is a different ability in the game
and its a pretty defined thing too
anyway, the folks that know more about the game have any comments on the guide
ill be happy to hear em, its very much meant to be mostly a personal guide, but im not against refining it
glossy stratus
I'm surprised Aether Lens isn't in situational, I guess it's pretty rare to want one over Blink
stark linden
added it to situational, it can be nice to have at times, and the mana regen doesnt hurt
glossy stratus
The mana boots change really did a number on Aether Lens
stark linden
steel forge
I just played nyx for the first time, and while this is a pretty neat hero, I feel like it must be vastly worse at higher levels of play
steel forge
makes sense
glossy stratus
Ayone for some <@&877973728997294120> in ~20 mins?
steel forge
I could dote
delicate jungle
i am preoccupied
paper shell
I could probably yeah
olive moon
ye im down
paper shell
Oh nvm if alan is playing I have to uh take my cat to the mechanic...
steel forge
good luck, the cat mechanic always asks so many weird questions like "why is there oil in your cat, that's not supposed to be there"
glossy stratus
I should do the same, my cat is squeaking
paper shell
They usually just say, don't worry we'll have this baby purring in no time
and they do and I tip well
viscid tapir
i can join as well
paper shell
Huzzah
glossy stratus
Excellent, be on in a moment
glossy stratus
@viscid tapir I'll have you know your choice to abandon us for Elden Ring has earned you a Dislike
@cursive wing we need one more
steel forge
Relies more on carapace and impale
wait hold on, if you pop carapace and walk into the aoe of a dawnbreaker jumping on someone, does it disrupt the channel?
reef parcel
wait hold on, if you pop carapace and walk into the aoe of a dawnbreaker jumping...
yeah basically every interaction you can think of: carapace does that
carapace kills kotls, stuns zeus, everything
if you have a dot on yourself you can pop carapace whenever to stun them globally at your leisure
viscid trout
Nyx is a well known bat rider counter
Run into fire pop carapace to disrupt the lasso initiation
manic nimbus
Hmm honestly it's not that amazing vs bat like you can stun him but once the lasso is used they are still grabbed
gritty sparrow
If they aren't horribly greedy they also pop bkb first
cursive wing
nyx also can carapace without breaking vendetta
I remember one time as a lv6 I solo liked a very farmed enemy OD back when mana jail had an AOE damage effect. I carapace it from invis and then did all my spells :)
paper shell
People are complaining that he’s horribly broken right now
steel forge
I just got hooked out of a three-man call by my pudge in a ranked game
probably my fault, considering I blinked in, but I think that hook was going to miss if I hadn't blinked in
viscid tapir
alright after feeding a rapier in a ranked game 3/4 of my teammates have commended me, so I think i'll be fine
viscid tapir
You know I’m sitting with Marci io
marci + io is literally just the best choice
you can probably get sky or venge to switch seats and then have a window/aisle seat, and then there's a couple of okay other seats
light urchin
I'd sit between Juggernaut and Sven honestly
paper shell
People mention getting smashed with brewmaster and pango would would be a good time
viscid tapir
4 is a secretly okay spot as well because it has to be sized for ogre magi, and therefore probably has legroom
paper shell
I don’t think I’d get on a plane with Lina, since she’d likely burn it down
light urchin
You could say the same about Tidehunter
But I don't think i want to sit next to Kunkka
paper shell
Also why tf is io on a plane, can literally teleport anywhere in reality whenever it wants
Actually I know why, it’s for the experience
light urchin
somebody needed a buddy
viscid tapir
You could say the same about Tidehunter
But I don't think i want to sit next to ...
what's wrong with kunkka?
viscid tapir
and?
paper shell
So probably smells like corpse
light urchin
Tidehunter would already smell horrendously like fish
I just do not like Kunkka
light urchin
He literally drags a dead fish everywhere across the map
I love the guy but this has to be acknowledged
paper shell
Io Marci is objectively the right choice. Both while only making noises are known for being quite funny and charming
Marci is super nice
No conflict, no funny smell
I bet Marci even has some drumsticks in her carryon
light urchin
Marci is chill and Io is a ball
viscid tapir
hmm
wonder how marci feels about non-persona Mirana
who is a much worse person than persona Mirana
steel forge
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/s/58LvKW1D0H
1 I think results in instant death
glossy stratus
Consider: if you sit in 3, you get to pet Mortimer, and probably get cookies too
(You might also get to pet the cats in 6 but I think Luna and Mirana have some sort of religious schism going on? So no ty)
steel forge
Consider: if you sit in 3, you get to pet Mortimer, and probably get cookies too
consider however, you must be near sniper
glossy stratus
Better than being far from Sniper
viscid tapir
non-persona Mirana and luna are both in service to the same goddess
persona Mirana is after she's schismed, though Luna is still loyal to Mirana
persona Luna when
glossy stratus
Ahh, gotcha
delicate jungle
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/s/58LvKW1D0H
yeah why is spot 4 bad?
paper shell
I unno ogre isn't very smart and bad at conversation and monkey king is clever and likes to let you know?
I don't know exactly why those two are paired up
steel forge
it should've been ogre and techies
glossy stratus
I'm not getting on a plane with Techies on it
I'm pretty sure Ogre will have set their seat on fire at least twice before the flight is done
delicate jungle
thats fair
viscid trout
Sitting between the embodiment of dumb luck and the embodiment of mischief 
delicate jungle
this is a funny bit but i dont see why marci and io would be so bad?
they literally wouldnt say anything
also i WOULD sit next to snap and eat the best cookies youve ever had
sniper is probalby stinky or smth but worth it tbh
delicate jungle
I'm not getting on a plane with Techies on it
Techies would NOT get past security lmao
there is no way he isnt on the no fly list
manic nimbus
warlock is iirc in canon like an archeologist and pretty cool
probably an interesting person to chat with
gritty sparrow
While that is true you are next to Witch Doctor, who most certainly would have some sort of reek to him
delicate jungle
this is a funny bit but i dont see why marci and io would be so bad?
oh, wait
io would tether marci
have fun taking damage for 10 hours
steel forge
While that is true you are next to Witch Doctor, who most certainly would have s...
I do not want to sit beside the guy who has an ability called "festeration", no
only one step up from pudge
manic nimbus
I mean only if he has the stinky facet
manic nimbus
yeah I mean he is a bit of a goth but thats fine
delicate jungle
manic nimbus
sniper is a horrible little man that probably has strong feelings about personal gun ownership
steel forge
that's very true
glossy stratus
He would probably spend the whole flight complaining about having to check his gun
olive moon
have fun taking damage for 10 hours
only damages enemies, io is my friend
delicate jungle
tru
io has to consider you an ally before it tethers marci or you die
hope you know how to make friends with an orb of light
paper shell
I mean io doesn't need to tether anyone on the plane
Io is riding the plane for the experience of riding the plane and not fighting to the death because an ancient willed it to do so
steel forge
<@&877973728997294120> anyone feel like a game or two?
glossy stratus
I could dote in a couple mins
paper shell
Yeah I could maybe
delicate jungle
ye
glossy stratus
@paper shell poke
paper shell
lol ok
delicate jungle
<@&877973728997294120> need one more
gritty sparrow
If people in here want into the Deadlock beta tell me
I ask in here because they have a preference to people with hours in dota
olive moon
If there's some way for me to get a key that would be sick
I'm too blind for shooters so hopefully they don't need you to be good lol
gritty sparrow
If there's some way for me to get a key that would be sick
Send me the email you want the confirmation sent to
The things I need are to be steam friends and to have an email to send the recommendation to
reef parcel
<@&877973728997294120> looking for a fifth
pearl chasm
I'm down
reef parcel
cool
delicate jungle
Alas
paper shell
Dang dota sure is getting popular
gritty sparrow
I'd be down to try it out if you spares
There is no limit to how many I can recommend, so just send my your info when you'd want
viscid tapir
+7 behavior score from last time
steel forge
0.058% less toxic
viscid tapir
@plucky jungle (I'm pretty sure it was oyu joining the Dota channel, if not apologies!) sorry about the brusqueness earlier, we had just started a game and the big voice channels can be overwhelming with any background chatter.
You sounded like you knew about or played Dota, and we've got a role and this thread here if you ever want to join the PNET stacks.
plucky jungle
not really, but I just felt I wasnt welcome
so I just dipped
rather than souring the mood
I already got called out by a mod for apparently doing random stuff
dont want to give more reasons to have mods on my back just because I want to interact with people, Im outspoken or just do things on the fly
manic nimbus
tom slowly clawing his way back to respectability
glossy stratus
Hmm, seems I need to Dislike him more
glossy stratus
The Dislike button being in the same spot as where Commend usually is is such a UI troll
gritty sparrow
Also my behavior score lowered exactly once and that was the first time I played ranked
Where I assume someone reported me for feeding
glossy stratus
Classic
olive moon
not really, but I just felt I wasnt welcome
We have a bunch of new and newish players if you ever wanna hang out and play/learn/watch some dota. We sometimes have people join and talk over everyone playing about off topic stuff so I imagine people got a lil spooked when a new person joined. you're 100% welcome to join the dota chat if you wanna participate in dota stuff :)
gritty sparrow
Random minor vent: The new dota plus feature to decline a match for free is making me go fucking insane as I queue and get 5 matches declined in a row
6
pearl chasm
Definitely have those queues late at night where you wind up searching for 20 minutes because folks don’t want to take what is offered.
cursive wing
<@&877973728997294120> anyone want to play some early morning* dota?
I'm gonna nap
viscid tapir
we are currently have A Game™️ so probably
paper shell
Now THIS is a techies build
light urchin
god speed
steel forge
okay nyx assasin might be one of my new favourite heroes
pos 4 is also just a very fun role
reef parcel
okay nyx assasin might be one of my new favourite heroes
nyx is great, and also like. actually an assassin
"phantom assassin" my ass
phantom icbm more like
viscid tapir
PA feels assassin-y
prime a crit, find a target, kill them, then leave
glossy stratus
On a scale of Templar to Nyx, I'd put Phantom in the middleish
reef parcel
more like, show up with whole team, prime a crit, kill whole enemy team
PAs don't leave
vapid ledge
she leaves when she fuck up and didn't kill the whole enemy team before they kill her
steel forge
didn't PA also used to be an invis hero
but yeah nyx actually assasinating people is great
and being able to hard pivot into like
a turret
is really cool
reef parcel
didn't PA also used to be an invis hero
no, just super wonkily animated
her model was transparent
it was very silly
she ran around as a floating healthbar
and wc3 was sufficiently graphically terrible that this was still an advantage
this design concept was so stupid they had to keep reworking blur when she came to dota 2
steel forge
oh that's incredible
glossy stratus
didn't PA also used to be an invis hero
Kind of, until the latest patch Blur made her invisible, but was still dispelled if she got close enough
So she could toss daggers from invis but when she actually jumped in she was visible
glossy stratus
PAs don't leave
There are a lot of fights she wants to do the Antimage thing of blinking in, killing one person, blinking out
Until she gets aghs
steel forge
Kind of, until the latest patch Blur made her invisible, but was still dispelled...
ah I see
so does blur just give evasion now then?
glossy stratus
Evasion's her innate now
Blur makes her untargetable but visible
(And some other random buffs, like movement speed and mana cost reduction for some reason)
It also hides her on the map
viscid tapir
Until she gets aghs
aghs usually facilitates the leaving because it refreshes your blink
glossy stratus
It facilitates her leaving but it also facilitates her blinking in > killing one person > blur > blinking to the next > repeat
Before you get aghs it feels really bad to blink in > kill one person > walk to the next
If they're positioned well
reef parcel
<@&877973728997294120> looking for a fifth, preferably we'd like to veteran stack 👀
delicate jungle
I am not verteran but would like to play
reef parcel
sorry punch we're hoping to get a higher normalized mmr game preferably today
delicate jungle
It’s ok! That’s fair
glossy stratus
I could hop on, but it'll take a few mins for Dota to load, so if someone else wants to join all theirs
paper shell
seems like there are a lot of people in channel but I’d be down to play 2nd stack
Or some sort of in-house style thing if people were interested at all
paper shell
Lil DK chasing big bad oracle
delicate jungle
ping me if theres a slot pls
viscid trout
Lil DK chasing big bad oracle
is this a reference to the anime
glossy stratus
Fun fact about AD now:
Greevil's Greed is Alchemist's innate
It's also still tied to Chemical Rage
Yes, this means you can get two copies of it on a team
viscid tapir
<@&877973728997294120> anyone up for a game?
paper shell
Twas a very silly game
Maybe against some people who were less good it could work fine
But like immortal divine and a sus WW account maybe isn’t it
I say we run back the strat again so long as everyone is on board for a very possible throw again 🙂
paper shell
Divine first item wriathking
Into feeding the enemy team 2 more on enigma and venomancer
Was lots of fun and did infact end the game rather quickly
The enemy team didn’t want to play along with the divine only rules
delicate jungle
<@&877973728997294120> more doater?
viscid tapir
Divine first item wriathking
note: it does a lot of damage and really speeds up farming speed as well
but also
Spectral Blade is dispellable by a basic dispel
gritty sparrow
Divine first item wriathking
Might I ask: Why
viscid tapir
big number
gritty sparrow
That does rely on then not having some way to stop it
Since it was done before because you couldn't stop it
But you can just. Target the wraith now.
Even if the only thing you have to stop it is a basher you can a-click a wraith
I remember the a-clicking one because I watched a sniper on my team die to Wraith King, in wraith form, because Sniper hit him in blade mail.
Not an interaction I thought I'd ever see
viscid tapir
you could target the wraith before too
glossy stratus
What's the duration on the wraith form anyway? Thought it's not long enough to tp during at low levels
gritty sparrow
you could target the wraith before too
Couldn't he not be targeted when he first got an aghs effect?
gritty sparrow
I'm trying to find something that says that changed but I cannot. It might have been something I was told was in old dota and just never questioned it
cursive wing
Couldn't he not be targeted when he first got an aghs effect?
no he could be targetted.
i remember seeing a meme video where someone did it and then the enemy pa bought abyssal to use for tp cancel
steel forge
Maybe against some people who were less good it could work fine
I will volunteer to graciously drag down your average mmr (this sounds like a very silly strategy)
paper shell
Glad we have people who are willing to throw like this
Also we should consider the dagon on everyone team as well at somepoint
steel forge
All dagon team sounds like something that's for sure
glossy stratus
Consider: all rapier team
Safelane wk, mid dusa, offlane mars, 4 hoodwink
Not sure which 5 off the top of my head
steel forge
Not sure which 5 off the top of my head
wyvern but with the core build
glossy stratus
I was thinking Dazzle but both of those have the same issue
In that they need an aghs on top of the rapier
Maybe 5 Sniper?
Or a 5 who uses the spell rapier
viscid tapir
i contend that our venomancer, who also bought a rapier as like their 3rd item, was a decent carrier of the spell rapier
glossy stratus
That would work
Could also go like Bounty for the extra track gold for earlier rapiers
And just accept that perhaps the 5-rapier rush might come with one or two suboptimal builds
willow topaz
crystal maiden has a 225 attack speed talent, though I don't know if I see a 5 rapier game going to level 20
viscid tapir
rapier speeds up farming substantially
I had a middling lane, got a rapier, and was level 20 pretty quickly
willow topaz
lol
maybe the real strat is look for a pos 5 who particularly doesn't need items and so can afford the rush rather than any particular skill synergy
viscid tapir
shadow shaman or witch doctor, so that after you die you can still easily lock down or kill the new rapier holder and get the rapier onto your core
paper shell
At the very least all this will be funny
and also ideally you tell the enemies that only items allowed are rapier
and they do it too 🙂
glossy stratus
rapier speeds up farming substantially
I think you would have difficulty finding a hero it speeds up farming on less than CM though
Even the spell rapier doesn't help much since Frostbite already kills most creeps
And she has CM attack speed
cursive wing
Not sure which 5 off the top of my head
Punch lion
Alternative furion
Or str morph
paper shell
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1dn9f6n/is_this_gonna_get_a_vac_ban/ Crazy way to remove backdoor, suprised it looks that far
paper shell
Got a 2016 treasure from candy works, pretty good value
Didn't get the mace of aeons though 😦
steel forge
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1dn9f6n/is_this_gonna_get_a_vac_ban/ Cra...
that's something else
viscid tapir
<@&877973728997294120> anyone up for some dota?
paper shell
Divine Rapiers only
delicate jungle
yeah
willow topaz
sure
delicate jungle
<@&877973728997294120> need one more
glossy stratus
I might be available for a Dota later, but alas, not during business hours
paper shell
glossy stratus
I am free, FREE!
delicate jungle
I am free, FREE!
you can take my spot
stark linden
rip throwing bedlam on the core :(
light urchin
Oooo
viscid tapir
noooo
viscid tapir
@reef parcel it keeps happening, you keep picking the heroes that get buffed
light urchin
and an SK buff???
pearl chasm
rip throwing bedlam on the core :(
Well that kills a good portion of her for me
reef parcel
<@140921736588689408> it keeps happening, you keep picking the heroes that get b...
i like people who are bad
they're my type
light urchin
oooh
i still don't think krill eater is Good persay but, well
Anything that makes the obvious funnier option better is a win in my book
light urchin
That's not a bad thing haha
Sometimes not being in the patch is the best news a character can get
reef parcel
oh also: https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/570/view/4175480871061328922?l=english <@&877973728997294120>
Fixed Witch Doctor's Voodoo Switcheroo sometimes causing Witch Doctor to get stuck if a tree was planted while he was transformed
this is the funniest thing ever
@stark linden we missed out on an opportunity
stark linden
looooool
steel forge
<@&877973728997294120> if anyone feels like dota, we seek a 5th
olive moon
average pilot net dota 2 game
glossy stratus
We had just come out of a game where we came out ahead on lanes, rotated to objectives, and pushed their base cleanly and efficiently
So it had to balance out
cursive wing
one of those games
I'm so sad I missed it
steel forge
I contain the spirit of the offlane even when I'm not actually playing pos3
I was doomed every single teamfight as nyx in the last game I played
There were so many better targets, but tanking doom is technically contributing to a teamfight
viscid tapir
there used to be a really funny interaction with Nyx burrow and Doom
basically, Doom (the spell) wouldn't run out if Doom (the hero) was close enough to the target
but Nyx's burrowed regen would outheal the damage from Doom (the spell), as it didn't have the anti-healing effect
so you could get stuck burrowed
steel forge
excellent
noble tusk
ah dota
viscid tapir
Questionable Ability Draft has given me free forge spirits and an extra spell
viscid tapir
it just circles where it was
gritty sparrow
I was hoping you'd fly off into the sunset, finally free
viscid tapir
holy shit this was a fun build
viscid tapir
Questionable Ability Draft has given me free forge spirits and an extra spell
@glossy stratus lark ping for very fun ability draft stuff
paper shell
Oh man that looks super fun
viscid tapir
ended with boots of bearing, vlads, and bloodthorn
glossy stratus
Lmao, taking advantage of the innate change I see
manic nimbus
tom playing the AU where invoker has friends
glossy stratus
<@&877973728997294120> anyone for a weekday Dota in ~20 mins?
steel forge
I could dote
paper shell
If you ping me again in like 20 yeah I could play
glossy stratus
<@&877973728997294120> it is ~20 mins later
paper shell
On my way
viscid tapir
<@&877973728997294120> I know i'm late now but anyone up for some more?
also, i'm not toxic anymore
manic nimbus
Tom finally allowed to return to society due to good behavior 🎉
paper shell
Fun games Tom, shame the AD people were so toxic
Though the necros toxicity did nicely bite them back
viscid tapir
the necro being toxic wrapped back around to being funny
steel forge
I'm actually really liking warlock's book facet
it's pretty nice as both a catch-up and as a tool to hit powerspikes (probably new levels of your ult or talents)
being able to level the upheveal attack speed talent as you are pushing a tower is very cool
paper shell
I do believe it’s the one the pros take
glossy stratus
Having now unlocked sandfishing, I understand the frustration
manic nimbus
Hmm I think the other one is nicer for carrying as a support
But the book is probs better
paper shell
Can I interest anyone in a somewhat later than usual game of <@&877973728997294120> ?
steel forge
Yeah I could do some
glossy stratus
I could do a somewhat later than usual game of Dota 2
stark linden
if we get a full stack im down for a game
viscid tapir
smh you didn't post the best build in that AD game
the perfect lurker
actual question for @gritty sparrow any idea if cast range increases the range Telekinesis can throw the target?
cursive wing
the perfect lurker
Can you self cookie while burriwed
cursive wing
amazing
viscid tapir
so I could line up cookies that way
also, slark passive + vendetta is so cool
you know when your assassination will be spotted
gritty sparrow
actual question for <@142842792564097025> any idea if cast range increases the r...
No.
gritty sparrow
Yes
cursive wing
my slark complained about vision in a joey wheeler accent and i asked where
and he said over here somewhere
and i asked where he said idk
i asked if i needed to click him and watch carefully and he said he was muting me
third rate carry with a fourth rate build
one time i said iw as pulling
he responded and acknolwedged it
and then while i was dewarding the camp he fed
from 27 to 40 minutes all he bought was mkb recipie
steel forge
slark pickers
paper shell
They continue to be slark pickers. I never expect anything from them
Unless they’re on the enemy team. Then they’re going 20/0
light urchin
God techies is just so fun
steel forge
yknow I don't like blaming loses on my teammates, but I'm very okay with blaming the storm spirit who came to the safelane at eight minutes and sat there stealing farm from my carry until the 20 minute mark, dying multiple times under tower, and who on top of that picked storm spirit into drow silencer, with at least a generous portion of the responsibility for that loss
I really did think ranked was supposed to have better teammates
steel forge
ah, well, that makes sense
paper shell
Sometimes people think they're better at the game when they think too hard about it, and sometimes that's just not true because they get mad about it
glossy stratus
If you play the same in ranked as unranked, I would expect your teammates and enemies to generally have a higher overall skill level in unranked, since unranked is usually where people practice new heroes and roles
(Of course, that means you're likely to have people doing that in unranked, so presumably it balances out)
viscid trout
had a game the other day where my offlane kept walking up high ground vs drow and feeding, then pinging my warlock ultimate saying I'm not engaging
cool let me feed drow another 300-600 gold while we fail to break high ground
honestly I lose more games to failed HG pushes than I win games because of them. Not a clue how to do it reliably unless its a stomp.
glossy stratus
Playing a repositioning hero is a good option for making it a lot easier
I should learn to play Earth Spirit
viscid trout
repositioning myself? or the enemy?
sounds like I need to be picking pudge and magnus
glossy stratus
The enemy
viscid trout
because sometimes blinking highground just ends badly lol
glossy stratus
Magnus, Tiny, Tusk, Venge
Core Bat
Anyone who can threaten to take someone out of their base makes sieging so much easier
I'm actually less impressed by Pudge there, hook is too easy to dodge and if you miss it you've lost all your threat area
manic nimbus
honestly I lose more games to failed HG pushes than I win games because of them....
if you can't get a pick, contain to 20k+ net worth advantage
viscid trout
how does that work, because if we kill their waves leaving the base, then they just get to farm under highground tower
if we split up to farm the jungle, but also commit to pushing two waves in I feel like that also opens us up to unfavorable engagements (like a 5v3)
it feels like you need really mobile cores to be able to push waves and join fights reliably
glossy stratus
Ideally you occupy the triangle or their jungle with most of your team and catch the waves as they go past the ramps
While one mobile, hard-to-catch hero clears the third wave
but yeah, smoking out for a good fight or a pick is their solution
paper shell
Honestly just not going high ground until they get bored and leave base is a legit strategy
And often times the most effective
High ground is hard
So just don’t do it
Like lark said occupying their triangle and grabbing the 2 waves you can is ideal especially if you specifically already have the other lane of barracks
This forces them to come into you on what is essentially your own pseudo high ground in their triangle
olive moon
if you can't get a pick, contain to 20k+ net worth advantage
this is true, only big problem is when your team gets bored and starts running up because they just want the game to end
steel forge
I swear I use the abilities of heroes I play better when I play rubick
a ton of spell amp and extra aoe doesn't hurt, but still
cursive wing
Honestly just not going high ground until they get bored and leave base is a leg...
this is it right here. say in voice chat "be patient. they will get bored and come feed, then we break hg"
paper shell
If they start all chatting asking you to come do HG or calling you scared, you know you're getting close
olive moon
if you're on the other end of that, you can win impossible games by just being more patient than the enemy team
lost this game to my arc warden going "im bored" and running up hg until we lost :/
i dont thing im ever gonna stop sulking about that one
paper shell
Dota is a game of stronger mental than your opponents sometimes
glossy stratus
I swear I use the abilities of heroes I play *better* when I play rubick
The reduced cast point makes a shockingly big difference
steel forge
The reduced cast point makes a shockingly big difference
he has a reduced cast point?
glossy stratus
Yep, it's really strong with certain spells
Wait that has a typo, it's if the cast point > 0.15s it becomes 0.15s
And 0s if cast point <0.15s
Fissure is the classic spell to try it with
viscid trout
Rubick vs Earthshaker and Jakiro is insane
His stolen spells from them hit harder, reach further, stun longer and come out faster
Nasty stuff with ice path
Also ty for the advice, holding the triangle and two waves is a solid plan for sieging hg. The only hurdle is getting my team to agree and stick to the plan 😔
glossy stratus
I don't remember, is Split Earth also super fast?
steel forge
https://liquipedia.net/dota2game/Cast_Animation#Spell_Steal
I love to include things in tooltips
cool!
gritty sparrow
I don't remember, is Split Earth also super fast?
Yes
I hate that lesh and underlord are good right now then I just never see them picked in my games when I get rubick
steel forge
rubick feels so good into underlord
steel forge
I'd believe it
steel forge
I think ranked may just not be for me
Played a bunch of fun unranked games today, and an unfun ranked game just full of flaming
viscid tapir
:(
gritty sparrow
People care about ranked more and get very weird about it
steel forge
Yeah
gritty sparrow
Which, having played dota for a good while now
I only even find someones rank notable if they are immortal or herald
steel forge
I dunno it's just very frustrating because I want to play ranked so I actually challenge myself and get better
but instead it just dials the toxic to 100 and does not coresspondingly increase the gameplay
glossy stratus
Yeah, there's a reason I've not played ranked in a decade
steel forge
I am a rubick fan
gritty sparrow
There is a whole lot to just learn and get better about the game with just playing that
glossy stratus
I dunno it's just very frustrating because I want to play ranked so I actually c...
IMO there's very little need to play ranked for this
gritty sparrow
Every game is different, the way you need to steal spells changes as people know to play against you or not
It's a fun way to learn and a goal to have in a game
glossy stratus
The best way to get better is to just play the game, and if you're really invested in improving, go back to critically watch your replays
steel forge
I mean, that was a rubick game, and the rubicking was fun, but the slark who was both insanely toxic and also very bad just sorta dragged down the experience
gritty sparrow
Ah, sad
glossy stratus
Okay tbf that's less of a ranked problem than it is a Slark players problem
steel forge
I managed to actually steal hook from pudge who knew how to press rot
gritty sparrow
If it wasn't a slark a great method to show your disapproval is just
Cliff your carry
That'll learn em
glossy stratus
The ol' Arteezy Special
steel forge
Lmao
steel forge
don't have to be faster than the bear
glossy stratus
"You don't have to outrun the bear"
gritty sparrow
That one you can get away with not being reported on, you needed to lift them at them to stun the enemy
Not really things you should do but if someone is already griefing only so much extra fuel you can add to that fire
steel forge
I'm not even sure it was griefing it was just like, bad play
gritty sparrow
I still vividly remember the game I played where someone on my team first picked slark, said "Don't worry, Slark has no bad match ups" then died three times in two minutes in lane
steel forge
I dunno, I've been trying to play ranked so I might play with better ranked teammates but it's very hard to carry the game when your team just does not play dota very well
glossy stratus
You're really not expected to get any better teammates in ranked than unranked
gritty sparrow
God that was even before the "Nah, I'd win" meme, it would have been perfect there
steel forge
I more mean get to a higher rank so my teammates might be better
glossy stratus
The only difference between the two is that you can't see the number in "unranked"
OIC
steel forge
it has not been working, but that was my hope
glossy stratus
There's a reason they're called the MMR trenches, unfortunately
steel forge
Yeah I dunno, I am trying very hard to not get too in my head about my opponents and read intentionality into the matchmaking algorithim but
gritty sparrow
For me the game randomly flops me between legend matches and divine
At no discernable change from my performance
The difference is jarring occasionally
steel forge
<@&877973728997294120> anyone feel like some friday night/evening/morning dota?
I have a poor grasp of timezones
glossy stratus
I'd be up for some Dota!
I even got actual sleep last night, so I might land my stuns!
It'll be a few mins while my PC boots up though
reef parcel
i'm dotaing with tom and emily and till and jenny right now
viscid tapir
Frosts of Icewrack release date
reef parcel
stark linden
paper shell
paper shell
celest ocean
i will be back for some dota in 30 or so
cursive wing
Played a bunch of fun unranked games today, and an unfun ranked game just full o...
Mute early and often
steel forge
You are correct
olive moon
Also ty for the advice, holding the triangle and two waves is a solid plan for s...
my strat for that is placing a ward on the cliff near their base and pinging/yelling to defend the ward
works about 40% of the time lol
viscid tapir
help who is the enemy safelaner
pearl chasm
I want to guess the troll?
steel forge
it was troll
tom and I were playing 3 chen + 4 veno with plauge carrier
it was suboptimal
reef parcel
help who is the enemy safelaner
If it was visage I'd have lost it
olive moon
joke's on you, they're quad laning mid
glossy stratus
I could Dote
reef parcel
hell yeahhh
steel forge
I am unfortunately not in a state to dota good luck finding a 5th!
reef parcel
<@&877973728997294120> looking for a fifth
viscid trout
i can't catch a break with playing cores
somehow the lane is lost all the time
and recovering feels impossible with how little you get from jungle
and if my team loses any engagement, the game feels basically over
paper shell
unironically just practicing jungle movements in a bot game and seeing how high you can get your gpm without killing the bots is a decent way to practice this sort of thing
viscid trout
is that technically enough, or do you need a hero that takes ancients to really recover
paper shell
I mean it depends on a lot of things
Knowing how to itemize with a lost lane is important too
Especially when you're not the position 1
Maybe you just need some budget stat items and that can be ok enough on a pos 3
As for losing lane, knowing what your goals for a lane are is important. Are you just looking to not die in lane and thats a win. Are you looking to only get creeps and killing the enemey laner isn't possible? What power spikes do you and your support have?
Is pulling important, can you just maintain creep equilibrium without pulls
Are you happy if both supports are off in the jungle doing whatever and you're just 1v1ing the opossing core
Or do you want the support in lane
Mid has a whole bunch of questions like this too
Are you looking to gank?
Are you just stacking camps neaby and farming them asap
Can you kill their mid etc
Sometimes winning a lane is "not losing the lane"
or sometimes its not dying multiple times in lane
viscid trout
yeah not sure, I think just getting bodied in lane being unable to approach creeps is unilaterally a loss
I was playing naix into pudge off, and it just went abysmally
paper shell
Depends on what hero you were playing
viscid trout
I was naix
paper shell
and what hero was in your lane with yout
viscid trout
I was talking about playing as the core
I know what needs to happen roughly speaking for a pos 5 or 4
paper shell
Right like why can't you approach creeps
is it because the support harasses you off?
viscid trout
would probably have to do replay review
but getting zoned by a support, or watching my support get hooked is a bit of a downer
paper shell
Yeah its hard to know whats going wrong without seeing it
But yeah lifestealer isn't going to recover quickly in the jungle
viscid trout
for the most part I don't feel the impact of my supports in lane, and that's not really something I can control, so if there's ways to play as a core to "fix" a losing lane that'd be good
paper shell
Creep aggro can be a big help
viscid trout
otherwise it feels like once the enemy duo has a reliable way to kill you in lane, you just can't show and are shoved out
viscid trout
are you free right now? maybe we can review it now
paper shell
Ah not really, I was going to bed shortly
viscid trout
all good
viscid trout
I rewatched my play in that lane and my last hitting sucked because it took all my mental to not get cheesed by this pudge/wd
did try creep pulls, but not very effective tbh
my support and I just never got the jump on one of them together
glossy stratus
Some heroes are just naturally bad at recovering from a bad lane, unfortunately
Naix lacks both flash farming ability and spells to contribute to a fight and come back that way
In theory that's counterbalanced by being able to harass out str offlaners
But that only works if your support contributes tolerably well
glossy stratus
Lifestealer is pretty good at taking the riskier farm, which can help if you're behind
Really hard to punish a Naix that's farming the jungle and stealing waves without rotating heavily
And ideally you can predict and avoid those, though that's far easier said than done
gritty sparrow
is that technically enough, or do you need a hero that takes ancients to really ...
If it helps, I would say the positions gold priority is often times inverse of your ability to impact the game in the early game. Being a p1 and not being able to do anything to change your support dying on cooldown is rough. The best area to jungle early btw is on the side jungle by your t2s. Being in that area will give either health or mana regen depending on the dire or radiant side
You can also be cheeky and take the gate to then farm on their side of the map if they are all playing on your side
cursive wing
i thought this kind of thing only happened to tron
cursive wing
we won
viscid tapir
guess that means SF hard support is good, and they should keep picking it
cursive wing
raze slow with max presence of the dark lord seemed really good with ck
525 attack range with 305 movespeed
gritty sparrow
I must confess
To a crime I committed last night
I could beat anyone but legion in a right click battle.
steel forge
Please tell me you had duel damage
steel forge
i thought this kind of thing only happened to tron
gritty sparrow
Please tell me you had duel damage
Unfortunately no, I wish. It kept ending up that when I had the chance to take duel I needed a different spell on hand
Like using 5 Omniknight ults in a row on myself to take a tower in front of drow
steel forge
That’s still pretty great lol
Im still trying to figure out what the good situations for building phylactery/khanda on rubick are
manic nimbus
raze slow with max presence of the dark lord seemed really good with ck
I do think sf support has its place and I think you can probably win a lane with mana spam if you are good with razes
but like
I think if you fall behind you are pretty terrible
gritty sparrow
Im still trying to figure out what the good situations for building phylactery/k...
You shouldn't, generally. I did because I was mid and my attack damage was super high from levels and my Phantasma, which I bought because it will proc off of Swashbuckle
Khanda is more gold than you would spend on, say, an aghs. It's two blink daggers. It is just expensive and only does damage when most of the time you will be a support and should probably focus on utility and survivability
glossy stratus
I'm very skeptical of SF support, if he's given free reign to throw out his razes he's a bit more efficient than other spam heroes, but he's an SF without items in lane
I feel like almost any decent lane just kills him repeatedly
And he contributes so much less than most any other support out of lane
I can see it if you have a strong 3 that can give you the space to raze them reliably
steel forge
You shouldn't, generally. I did because I was mid and my attack damage was super...
ah yeah that makes sense
glossy stratus
I was playing naix into pudge off, and it just went abysmally
I skimmed the replay, the biggest thing that stood out to me was that you undervalue lane creeps. In-lane, there were a lot of times you would prioritize hitting the Pudge and miss a couple creeps, or avoid going for a creep because it would cost you a bunch of HP, and both of those are just bad trades, which meant you came out of laning way behind on last hits. After laning stage, there were quite a few times you were jungling the top half when creep waves were meeting not too far from you, which is a bunch of missed gold, and you can get it pretty safely - if they go on you, infesting a creep and running away is something they really can't prevent, which you can take advantage of to push out the lane and take towers while they're doing stuff on the other side of the map.
Also, I don't dislike the choice of Armlet over Radiance, since you're never going to outfarm an Alchemist, but it's very much an item that you need to fight with to get value out of, and there were a few fights you arrived late to or missed, and that really let them snowball their lead
(They were far enough ahead you might have lost the fight anyway, but I'm pretty sure taking the fight was a higher win chance, since frankly there's not that substantial of a difference between "they kill all five" and "they kill four and the Naix freefarms the jungle with an Armlet")
Unfortunately that's also one of those games where the other two lanes went poorly enough you might not have been able to pull it off no matter how well you played, your entire team was behind their pos 5 Dazzle at 8 minutes, and Alch had the freest game of his life
paper shell
I'm very skeptical of SF support, if he's given free reign to throw out his raze...
After playing "Arc warden" as a support in lane in that ability draft game. I feel like there might be something to it
glossy stratus
As a model, he's not half-bad - embarrassing damage, of course, but solid armor, decent speed, range, and hp
But to land his third raze he has to be basically in melee
And IDK, I just look at someone like Skywrath, who has similar harass, better trading, more utility, and a similarly-bursty ult
And I'm not sure what situation I would want SF instead
Admittedly, Presence is very good value pick
steel forge
<@&877973728997294120> anyone feel like some games?
viscid tapir
I could play a game or several
reef parcel
I could play a game honestly
paper shell
🤔
delicate jungle
shure
reef parcel
I'm kinda itching to do something to break the streak of being amazing at battle aces
Gimme 5 I guess
reef parcel
No Tron! Resist the siren call of venture capitalism!
viscid trout
Also, I don't dislike the choice of Armlet over Radiance, since you're never goi...
my mid said I shouldn't go radiance because the necro was going it, and they proceeded to die like all the time
they had the evasion amulet for like 20 minutes lol
also fair point on not hitting lane creeps, I was too afraid because the enemy team was good at just shitting on my team so I felt like if I showed for more than two creep waves, I was gonna get ganked and vs a pudge dismember I felt like I can't rage TP
reef parcel
oh my god, the matchmaker absolutely cocked up @manic nimbus @stark linden
got a rampage. they didn't even have time to surrender
felt baad
stark linden
oooof
reef parcel
it was like
emily and I deciding to just fuck it and play our strongest heroes
and the invoker was new, I could tell
and honestly their whole team did not feel amazingly experienced
oh level 10 invoker huh
maybe they're just inexperienced in general-
oh they have 3000 wins
I dunno
I guess we're just better than them
stark linden
level 10 is a lot isnt it
paper shell
About 50games
paper shell
Looking for a 5th
manic nimbus
also fair point on not hitting lane creeps, I was too afraid because the enemy t...
infest is better than rage tp imo
paper shell
Maybe even someone for a cheeky AD game 🙂
viscid trout
Unfortunately that's also one of those games where the other two lanes went poor...
this probably was why it felt hopeless, didn't even have the ability to 1v1 the alch when he'd bash me in turn
manic nimbus
yeah some games are not winnable really
just best to refine your own play and hope they throw
glossy stratus
oh my god, the matchmaker absolutely cocked up <@175103370120527872> <@130290134...
That poor, poor CM
glossy stratus
Looking for a 5th
I'll be free in, like, an hour or so, if you're still playing then :p
glossy stratus
infest is better than rage tp imo
Going to second this, Infest is an excellent defensive tool I think you were underestimating
A lot of the time you can just hop in a creep and walk away with the 400 or whatever movespeed and immunity to a bunch of spells
viscid tapir
@glossy stratus looks like side gunner does not inherit split shot
glossy stratus
Unsurprising, but tragic
cursive wing
the bug is fixed
steel forge
which bug?
light urchin
Incredible
swift sand
steel forge
WW is a greify enough hero before they start intentionally griefing
Very frustrating
olive moon
lol i was just telling a friend about how i always get grief reported on that hero
steel forge
they cold embraced my golem in a team fight
I think that was unintentional, but the cancelling my tp to defend us losing a set of racks, that certainly wasn't
cursive wing
remember to disable help
steel forge
disable help?
light urchin
...so like, they can't target you?
viscid trout
how does cold embrace on a golem cancel your TP?
viscid trout
...so like, they can't target you?
yes, with abilities and items
light urchin
Hilarious
light urchin
Well, not 'random'
viscid trout
and team disabling help means it could be forced to pick the enemy
steel forge
how does cold embrace on a golem cancel your TP?
seperate incidents
viscid trout
yeah true, it's the nearest one, but in the kerfuffle it just feels random
light urchin
It's the hardest part of Tiny!
steel forge
there's an option to disable ally's help
also, good to know
glossy stratus
<@&877973728997294120> anyone for some ⏺️🇦2️⃣ in ~30mins?
reef parcel
oh hell yeah
stark linden
Yeeee
steel forge
I could dote
paper shell
Well if you need a 5th specifically then let me know
But my relationship with dota is over, bigchadgay plus is my new favourite game
delicate jungle
yeag
glossy stratus
...bigchadgay plus?
paper shell
It’s just a Minecraft mod pack lol
glossy stratus
Ahhh that explains a lot
steel forge
does it really
paper shell
I’ve had multiple people dm me about what it was today
glossy stratus
I could see like the DDS dev releasing a game called that
light urchin
<@&877973728997294120> anyone for some ⏺️🇦2️⃣ in ~30mins?
I'd be down
glossy stratus
Shockingly, it was a short 30 mins, I'm now free whenever
light urchin
I'm still gonna need about 10 or so haha
glossy stratus
Fair enough!
stark linden
well in order of people responding
@reef parcel @steel forge @paper shell if youre up for it?
@delicate jungle emily isnt replying, get in here :3
delicate jungle
is lark playing?
stark linden
tom is spectating :P
reef parcel
yes actually I think it's tom who isn't playing
stark linden
cause were going in order of replies
glossy stratus
Yep, my game client just went out of date in the time since I loaded -_-
reef parcel
he's being a cop in overwatch
reef parcel
oh, busy punch?
viscid tapir
I truly cannot fathom why this player is going for this build in Tron's game
||It's a Spirit Breaker||
meanwhile on the other team
||Disruptor||
steel forge
viscid tapir
hey they put the vanguard back in
that's a downright reasonable build compared to some other stuff
||Luna||
paper shell
I truly cannot fathom why this player is going for this build in Tron's game
A battle fury ofc to farm faster
viscid tapir
smh spoilers
steel forge
they don't have boots
viscid tapir
||Bash doesn't cleave||
steel forge
why don't they have boots
paper shell
They go fast with out boots
viscid tapir
I desperately hope like 3 people buy rapiers this game
<@&877973728997294120> anyone else want to join our midday dota?
paper shell
I have dnd in about 30 mins
vapid ledge
can't join but curious: is midday dota actually safe on a tuesday?
viscid tapir
given tron's previous game: no
vapid ledge
ok that's what i assumed
viscid tapir
vapid ledge
for when you REALLY don't want to be touched
viscid tapir
Radiant: ||Luna, AA, Disruptor, Razor, Bristleback||
Dire: ||Undying, Treant, Spirit Breaker, Zeus, Hoodwink||
delicate jungle
<@&877973728997294120> anyone else want to join our midday dota?
Mayb
paper shell
I can't help but notice, no bkbs on one team and 4 on the other
viscid tapir
no MKBs on one team, and 4 butterflies on the other too
steel forge
many many things went wrong that game
I don't understand how we were leading for so much of it
olive moon
im so excited to get back tomorrow and join one of these games
viscid tapir
excited to have you back friend
glossy stratus
Okay you know what that Luna build is cooking
If they have no MKBs, what are they going to do while you're BKBd
(Alas, no Dotes for me today)
I have actually gone Butterfly on PA before, if you're ahead in a game and they don't have enough magic damage to threaten you it can be a legitimately terrifying build to stack evasion
"Just get an MKB" is much easier said than done when the PA is dominating the entire map
And isn't actually an answer when by the time you have it she has another two items and just kills you anyway
willow topaz
have you started already? I can be there in like 5 minutes
glossy stratus
(Admittedly in that game it was perhaps not the best, given the existence of ||Zeus||)
viscid tapir
have you started already? I can be there in like 5 minutes
we have unfrotunately
sorry Rose
viscid tapir
good news about that
willow topaz
wow
viscid tapir
it might be soon
delicate jungle
<@&877973728997294120> one more perhaps?
reef parcel
<@&877973728997294120> anyone wanna dota with jenny and me
viscid tapir
i'll sit out game 1 but may be around for a game 2
stark linden
steel forge
yeah I'm in the same boat
viscid trout
<@&877973728997294120> anyone wanna dota with jenny and me
Sure
stark linden
@viscid tapir @steel forge status check 👀
steel forge
Im present
stark linden
get some rest tommy <3