It turns out giving him an entire new nuke is pretty good actually
#DOTA 2
glossy stratus
viscid trout
like if your team is light on CC, is timber really bad
actually on DPT it seems like the tree shatter is a higher win rate (51% vs 45%)
could be untrustworthy data tho
glossy stratus
Surprisingly low winrate in general on D2PT
Decent contest rate, but not as high as I expected
So not top-tier, but still solid
olive moon
gonna watch the tron game again, anyone want to play after?
steel forge
can anyone see what's wrong with this picture
noble tusk
woah the maps on the right
gritty sparrow
The enemy team has an ursa and a pa and your axe is the size of the sun but you haven't ended yet
Is it the perma turned on blink radius showing
steel forge
The enemy team has an ursa and a pa and your axe is the size of the sun but you ...
no it was that I unbound my bloodstone lol
the tier 2 is a misplay on my part, but otherwise... yeah I don't really know why I didn't win that one
maybe it was the gyro? I dunno
glossy stratus
gonna watch the tron game again, anyone want to play after?
If y'all are still gaming in a couple hours, sure lol
viscid trout
I should be home from work in 2 hours and would be looking to game then
viscid tapir
certainly a win graph of all time
vapid ledge
did the enemy team just throw at the last 3 minutes or something?
viscid tapir
no
paper shell
We held highground very well
viscid tapir
we just held them off highground
vapid ledge
care to share a match ID so i can watch afterwards?
viscid tapir
7791088744
vapid ledge
thx
paper shell
glossy stratus
I have been wanting to see how Snap plays with the new innate
Seems absolutely terrifying at 25
viscid tapir
I had full bore that one
paper shell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDmhhA3i8OU
this is my friends getting stomped 2 years ago 😛
glossy stratus
And pretty scary beforehand
paper shell
Is lark around now for domta?
viscid trout
cool, I'd gladly hop in
glossy stratus
Is lark around now for domta?
Not yet for a while unfortunately, putting out some fires at work
(Not literally (yet))
glossy stratus
After two hundred thousand years, I am free
(I'm also eating pizza rn, but ping me if people want to Dotes)
steel forge
I mean hey if you want to help me in low prio, I am going to bash my head into the brick wall of that a few more times
glossy stratus
Ooh I'd be down for low prio madness
steel forge
je suis dans le vc
glossy stratus
give me like 5 mins, still monching pizza
steel forge
cool cool
viscid tapir
i'm back
glossy stratus
Also @paper shell @viscid trout I think you two mentioned interest in more Dotes?
viscid tapir
alas, Tron is muted in PNET for being so toxic in dota
glossy stratus
We always knew this day would come
Tron is known for his extreme toxicity
Perhaps someday he can follow in Emily's footsteps and reform
viscid trout
oh yeah I'm in
light urchin
Uh oh
manic nimbus
Oh dear
gritty sparrow
the single draft begins
Why does your low prio stack have a lower queue time than me
paper shell
Apparently I was pinged
paper shell
Man rubick is so much fun when the game is going well for you
gritty sparrow
Yes, being able to sit in the back and fiddle with spells is great
glossy stratus
Or if you're far enough ahead, being able to sit in the front and out-nuke their QoP is great
manic nimbus
D2pt is interesting
In that there are some heroes on it with pretty bad win rates who still see heavy competitive play
gritty sparrow
Or if you're far enough ahead, being able to sit in the front and out-nuke their...
This is why you see me buy a value voodoo mask a lot
I outtrade people very hard with aoe nuke healing
That and Kaya sange giving me huge value from my passive and that
viscid tapir
@steel forge I'm gonna play a ranked game but if you want some help with the low priority escape I'd be down to play some after
viscid tapir
I might be around
well, my ranked game went longer than I hoped, but are you around?
manic nimbus
ah ended up getting into somehting and I should head to bed now
maybe another night
I feel silly after saying that haha
viscid tapir
lol, you're all good
manic nimbus
also earlier had another weirdly positive aus team
steel forge
I've done it
I'm free
no more low prio for me
I played dk and accurately chose the facet I needed and then won at 26 minutes
I think I understand dk now, you just push towers
And you also buy a blink and stun
The two things you can do in dota
steel forge
sk is my favourite hero so I am well acquainted
but realising dk also buys blink helped a lot with playing him for me
olive moon
dk extra good becasue ur stun goes bonk
steel forge
imo I prefer lion and sk's stun noise, but the bonk is solid
dota has some really good sound design
glossy stratus
no more low prio for me
On the one hand: congrats on your freedom
On the other: no more single draft queue D':
glossy stratus
dota has some really good sound design
meep merp
paper shell
No more single draft 
paper shell
Single draft doesn't give tokens
so there is that
1 stint in low prio and you become a techies picker
Amazing what low prio does to a person
olive moon
tron is worlds greatest technicals playe
glossy stratus
Single draft doesn't give tokens
Is it single draft or queueing into LP that doesn't give tokens?
paper shell
Single draft I think
glossy stratus
😭
paper shell
Yes yes the guild grows
glossy stratus
But does The Guild take your orders?
paper shell
My goal is to someday have this leaderboard not with me 3x higher than anyone else in the guild
though I guess its closer to 2x
but at this magnitude its still silly
glossy stratus
Ngl I have no idea what scale guild points are on
Does a game give 1000 points? 10? Heck if I know
glossy stratus
Are contracts and playing as a guild the onpy sources of points?
paper shell
Or if you're apart of the challenge completion
paper shell
Are contracts and playing as a guild the onpy sources of points?
I think so
steel forge
I have officially placed
in herald 4
which feels... I mean fair I guess? I'm new
I dunno at the same time I don't think I'm that bad
paper shell
Slark pickers
steel forge
ah
olive moon
if any of you cool gamers are playing, let me know
paper shell
Too bad I'm not a cool gamer
light urchin
look they're such a fun hero
You see it, you see the vision
gritty sparrow
Slark pickers
One of my strongest dota memories is a person who first picked Slark, and when told he probably shouldn't have done that said "Don't worry, Slark has no bad match ups" then proceeded to both die 3 times in the first three minues of laning stage then be toxic in all chat about his support for the rest of the game
paper shell
This is almost word for word what happened
Dude tried to dive a level 2 legion and lvl 2 lion with a level 1 io in a full creepwave, idk what he thought was going to happen
and then pinged me as if I could have done something
glossy stratus
Don't you know, if anyone ever dies on your team at any point while playing Io it's your fault
Should've had your Greaves Locket already
glossy stratus
One of my strongest dota memories is a person who first picked Slark, and when t...
"Slark has no bad matchups" is certainly a take of all time
gritty sparrow
It was so memorable it's just because a meme in my friend group
steel forge
treant is such a good hero
karmic grove
Any gamers about
viscid tapir
i can be in like 10 minutes
glossy stratus
Probably an hour and a half for me? I don't intend to deal with any fires tonight
paper shell
I could be around
steel forge
I am at magic (both 😌 and 😔)
delicate jungle
Hell ye
karmic grove
I'll be on a bit later, the last game was pretty rubbish :v
glossy stratus
Ah, unfortunate
I'll be free in a few mins, so ping me if people are up for another Dote later
steel forge
<@&877973728997294120> lark requested a ping and as such I light the beacons in general
delicate jungle
heck ye
glossy stratus
So no playing Timber
Though I feel like he might be safer to be around when drunk
(I'm launching the Dotes, I'll hop on voice in a few)
steel forge
I am not sure if it is just me but dota 2 seems to be saying no
the game coordinator or something
glossy stratus
I too see that
noble tusk
did yall start? i could hop in if youre not already goin
noble tusk
the steam classic
glossy stratus
In today's game of "guess the 4":
steel forge
that was an exceptionally solid game of dota 2 everyone, thank you
a real relief after low prio hell
paper shell
Oh was it just the one game
noble tusk
ye we're being responsible since it do be late
viscid trout
In that there are some heroes on it with pretty bad win rates who still see heav...
What if there's a spammer who is doing well with it and the win rate tanks because imitators aren't reproducing it well: 🤔
viscid trout
Or if you're apart of the challenge completion
You know what. I'll join your guild. I am not helping anyone with my inactive guild
glossy stratus
What if there's a spammer who is doing well with it and the win rate tanks becau...
I suspect it's more a case of being strong in fairly obvious situations
viscid trout
Let's get that 10 Roshan kill haha
glossy stratus
So they either ban it in those situations or let it through if they think they have an answer
viscid trout
(in one game, I'll pick techies)
glossy stratus
I do Not miss every Techies games being 90 minutes long lmao
glossy stratus
Btw, @delicate jungle , for answers to getting jumped by Storm as Bounty (or any support, really):
- Lotus Orb (which I think you got) - Particularly good if he has an Orchid, as you can dispel the silence and/or potentially silence him (not sure about if he silences from zip, the zip immunity might save him), also means he can't use his stun
- BKB - pricey, but makes Storm cry
- Eul's - Dispels Orchid, forces him to choose between sticking around for 2.5 extra seconds and letting you live, and Storm sitting in your backline doing nothing for 2.5s plus the time it takes to actually get the kill is an easy fight win
- Orchid - Better if you're ahead, forces Storm to use BKB if he wants to jump you
delicate jungle
Ok thanks
glossy stratus
The main thing is you don't have to survive in a fight, just be annoying to kill - if you force Storm to spend 2/3rds of his mana and 10 seconds killing you that means they're fighting for 10 seconds without their Storm
(Tron had a very good example of that in that game, Storm decided Techies Must Die and by the time he was done the entire rest of his team had died)
paper shell
You know what. I'll join your guild. I am not helping anyone with my inactive gu...
I did invite you so feel free to join
I did kick a person for you
glossy stratus
Don't let their (involuntary) sacrifice be in vain
paper shell
apparently sorting guild by gp earned sometimes crashes the game
glossy stratus
Something something beta
steel forge
I don't remember if it was emily who was saying that heralds love buying shadow blade, but god do they
gritty sparrow
Lower mmr players don't think about the way items solve problems, like Lotus or Dust or Force Staff
So you can get away with invis cheese. Plus lower mmr games go on for a lot longer. In fact one of the easiest ways you can point and see the difference between high mmr and low mmr is that the average match time scales directly down as you go up
Why this matters is it's hard to carry dust if everyone has 6 items already
I still think we should have like, a consumable slot or something for this reason
Lemme just have a dedicated ward/dust/smoke button
paper shell
I don't remember if it was emily who was saying that heralds love buying shadow ...
Oh they love it, it was me
steel forge
So you can get away with invis cheese. Plus lower mmr games go on for a lot long...
yeah I feel like so many of my games we could've won way earlier if my carries weren't off in space
but also why did witch doctor buy a shadowblade
paper shell
That and heart of tarrasque
steel forge
like, glimmer cape is a real item! you can just get glimmer cape
paper shell
like, glimmer cape is a real item! you can just get glimmer cape
Because you’re invisible for longer! And you get damage AND attack speed!
steel forge
you're not wrong
paper shell
On witch doctor you also get it to sneak up on people and ult them
steel forge
that was what he was doing, but like... glimmer cape
I get it's only 5 seconds of invis but do you really need more than that unless you're just wandering aimlessly looking for someone to ult?
or, alternatively, buy a smoke
then again the enemy axe also had a shadow blade so what do I know
paper shell
Clearly the heralds know something you don’t
steel forge
Clearly
manic nimbus
yeah I feel like so many of my games we could've won way earlier if my carries w...
I had a game earlier where we had to start telling the AM to please start contributing and he pinged the clock as a response
it was 38 minutes
steel forge
lol
manic nimbus
we did have something kinda cool though
a wd that crushed the early game as pos4 and got a ton of solo kills
with no points in cask, and the damage on healing aura facet
levelling healing aura first
paper shell
It’s a cool build, it’s like a free radiance sorta
karmic grove
Oh right, that was one of the griefing builds I was thinking, offlane wd with that facet
steel forge
okay see I think that is actually griefing
I liked pos1 lycan
offlane wd sounds highly illegal
noble tusk
yeah the big push strat was neat
karmic grove
okay see I think *that* is actually griefing
See, you need farm to grab your bloodstone
steel forge
like. you aren't wrong
olive moon
i think mid wd is good
its like necro or lesh, you're kinda squish until you get a couple of items but you scale really well
steel forge
I'm just kinda unconvinced by how much damage wd's radiance actually does
glossy stratus
its like necro or lesh, you're kinda squish until you get a couple of items but ...
I mean, you scale well compared to support WD, but you fall off far faster than most anyone else
The early spike is strong but you need a team that can capitalize on it
olive moon
it's 60 damage, same as actual radiance
i think you only fall off if they can burst you, probably don't pick it into slardar/pa/whatever. once you have eshroud/shiva's, you're really tanky and they can't ignore you
glossy stratus
I mean, they can, though. You're tanky, but your damage output is pretty lackluster after 20-25 minutes
steel forge
you are still wd at least
glossy stratus
Maledict and your ult are still solid, but you could have a support WD that does as much at that point
idk, every time I've seen core WD it seems like either you win on his timing or you're just one core down
Which is a fine position for a core hero, just something you need to take into account while picking
paper shell
Jenny and I have been playing to play it with io
To sustain the mana
The combo was probably better before the healing was lost since it was a nice feedback loop
But this version is still pretty good with the spell amp overcharge gives
Plus io can kinda transition into that missing core later game if needed
Provided you have other heros which work well
paper shell
I don't understand my ranked games
My 5 aa went first item aghs
My void went first item aghs but didn't buy any components except the point booster
The enemy carry was just afk for the first 3 waves of lane
but my dark seer refused to like be at all agressive towards the pudge who was alone
steel forge
what got me watching that was both your jugg and your dark seer refusing to even show up to the fight at the end
glossy stratus
My 5 aa went first item aghs
The classic 1 from 5
paper shell
jugg was 1
olive moon
Wait, jugg? So 1 void, 5 aa, 3 dark seer, 2 jugg, 4 you?
i think it was a mid void spirit if they're rushing aghs
paper shell
void spirit mid
olive moon
not faceless
paper shell
Important distinction
glossy stratus
Ohhh yeah that makes it much more reasonable
manic nimbus
this was pos4 and it was interesting
totally won the lane
crushed the level 1 fight
then became a regular support ish
olive moon
i think emily really is cursed with weird ranked teammates
paper shell
i havent looked at his inv
wtv
at least were wiining
the gameplan of keep the 15/2/19 zeus alive is working tho
steel forge
axe really can snowball huh
fun hero, beserker's call is such an odd ability
I'm... actually sorta convinced by storm spirit 4?
I've played against it, I've played with it in lane
glossy stratus
Yeah, I've been contemplating it myself
Sliding remnant means you actually have lane presence
And can trade with their 5 much better than before
steel forge
and then you still have like... storm spirit's abilites? which are pretty awesome
oh, like the skywrath in that game did
glossy stratus
It's a genuinely very solid build on Sky and Storm
steel forge
is... it? I guess you do get to just be sky more in that case
glossy stratus
Comes with a bonus minute 25 timing too
glossy stratus
is... it? I guess you do get to just be sky more in that case
Realistically you usually only need like 3 so you have a slot for wards and a slot for components of your next item
But he wants everything Nulls give him
steel forge
yeah I dunno I feel like you want some kind of real support item as well unless your 5 has gone super hard on that
speaking of strange support items: mask of madness on 5 silencer
I cannot fathom the logic
glossy stratus
Unsilenceable
glossy stratus
(It's still not good on anyone but mid, and even there dubious IMO)
It's neat, but echoing silence is so good
steel forge
I mean mask of madness is a pretty cool item, and mask of madness with no downside
oh is unsilenceable not his innate?
oh no brain drain's the innate
glossy stratus
On 5 Silencer the downside is you're a 5 Silencer in attack range of the enemy team
Which soon means no more Silencer
steel forge
wait no way you lost that one
paper shell
they figured out to kill me
then my team would just stay
and they fed
My dk was also pretty mid
They made some very questionable choices in lane
steel forge
that is very unfortunate
olive moon
the gameplan of keep the 15/2/19 zeus alive is working tho
top 10 pictures taken moments before disaster
viscid trout
I did kick a person for you
Dang I got shoes to fill
paper shell
Don't worry they were inactive since like 2022
manic nimbus
I could be convinced on the 4 storm
I can see the logic
My intuition build wise would be arcane and 3 null into agh
gritty sparrow
I think you'd have some trouble with mana unless you were running around getting kills
glossy stratus
My intuition build wise would be arcane and 3 null into agh
Aghs vs Orchid would depend on the game probably, but generally agreed
manic nimbus
yeah thats the other big option I guess
viscid tapir
So Tidehunter's facet changes names as he levels up:
Nanoplankton, Diatom, Krill, Anchovy, Sea Cucumber, Sea Grape, Seahorse, Nautilus, Eel, Jellyfish, Mullet, Mackerel, Giant Isopod, Tubeworm, Porpoise, Manatee, Oarfish, Walrus, Manta Ray, Shark, Whale Shark, Blue Whale, Colossal Squid, Plesiosaur, Leedsichthys, Megalodon, Livyatan, Lion's Mane Jellyfish, Titanic, Stuffed
viscid tapir
up until Plesiosaur he's got lines for everything
light urchin
It really is such a damn fun facet, I wish it was good 😔
But starting off with less stats and impact in laning for the first good 10-15 minutes just hurts Tide too much
paper shell
Thanks tom for un-cursing me
Also I'm always sad to teach people in my bracket that buying 2 mechs is bad
and that buying one with an io on your team is borderline griefing
viscid tapir
Also I'm always sad to teach people in my bracket that buying 2 mechs is bad
i was in a game recently where I was purchasing a 3rd mek on our team.
I wanted greaves but in hindsight i don't think i needed the dispel
steel forge
My mid sniper just went first item maelstrom second item swift blink
we did win, and sniper did sorta carry because we won like 4 back to back team fights in a row and he got huge, but still... what?
olive moon
if you have double mek on your team and you want a dispel surely you just buy lotus
steel forge
I have faith
viscid tapir
we are watching and playing in an Underlord pos 1 ranked game in the Dota 2 Commiseration Channel
paper shell
Are you playing a game after?
glossy stratus
we did win, and sniper did sorta carry because we won like 4 back to back team f...
I don't actually dislike this build, Sniper really loves the repositioning, and Swift Blink is just good.
viscid tapir
Are you playing a game after?
sure
paper shell
Turning on pc
viscid tapir
the pos 1 underlord carried well
reef parcel
we are watching and playing in an Underlord pos 1 ranked game in the Dota 2 Comm...
lol
viscid tapir
and now, I'm playing the pos 1 underlord
paper shell
it went well
glossy stratus
Interesting, what's the build? Radiance into Harpoon?
glossy stratus
Oh right that exists
paper shell
Now this example may not be perfect as they picked offlane pa
viscid tapir
true I do need to pick it in more games
glossy stratus
It's called a lane swap
paper shell
Hmm, maybe they thought venge was the pos 1
But I think venge techies is a much weaker lane than underlord io
So seems silly to swap
steel forge
yeah
I think it was more someone who really wanted to play PA
if you're not taking radiance-lite on witch doctor, for sustain reasons or whatever, is cleft death a trap pick?
olive moon
cleft death makes the aghs do a billion damage in big fights but i think the coconut bonk facet is better
steel forge
I feel like aghs already does a billion damage in big fights lol
olive moon
1.5 billion damage
paper shell
I thought I was super clever grabbing the cleft death facet with that game with the dark seer… hell vaccum them in and I’ll drop ult, ez team fight
steel forge
vaccum has so many incredible synergies
chain frost + vaccum is absurd
also, first game as wd I get mvp, this hero is incredible
for some reason I thought his stun needed to bounce to stun
I also only put my death ward inside void's chrono once
glossy stratus
There was like a decade where Vacuum would just get its cooldown nerfed every so often, with no other changes
steel forge
it does have a very long cooldown
glossy stratus
Culminating in a patch with
Vacuum: Cooldown increased from 30.0 to 30.0 seconds
steel forge
lol
glossy stratus
for some reason I thought his stun needed to bounce to stun
Witch Muerta
swift sand
Culminating in a patch with
> Vacuum: Cooldown increased from 30.0 to 30.0 secon...
They even had a cool animation for it!
Though I thought it was 28.0s
viscid trout
IDK who I played with last time there was an AA rightclick build in my game, but this time around I was the danger:
at first I thought I had thrown because I picked thinking I could pos 4, and my lane partner pubbie would do pos3 snap
this strat is very menacing
steel forge
I feel like every pub AA starts out reasonable and then loses their mind at 25 minutes and builds aghs
glossy stratus
Though I thought it was 28.0s
Probably was, it's been a while
steel forge
I mean if you were in a core role I don't think it counts
viscid trout
we are watching and playing in an Underlord pos 1 ranked game in the Dota 2 Comm...
had one of those yesterday too, my off underlord lost lane but then carried a lot of fights with that screen-wide cleave and caught up to me in hero damage
glossy stratus
I feel like every pub AA starts out reasonable and then loses their mind at 25 m...
Pub Dota is a wild place
steel forge
I honestly don't hate the gameplan but with dark willow at least she has some great teamfight that gets forgotten about a lot when she's busy rightclicking
steel forge
had one of those yesterday too, my off underlord lost lane but then carried a lo...
this has got me thinking about just doing the right click underlord build from the offlane rather than the safelane
manic nimbus
agh aa is strong I go for it about half of games
but only if I get a good start and the team doesn't need things
glossy stratus
It's one of those items that's good for pushing an advantage
glossy stratus
Really not what you want if they have a hero that gets on top of your backline though
gritty sparrow
Ya know, I really like morph
Specifcally I did strength morphling
I just must deal with the fact that I am useless in lane, have literally negative armor at full strength and run out of mana instantly
glossy stratus
Str morph is so weird, I kind of love it
It's a very Dota design
It's a shame that the CDR doesn't apply to items, but mmmmaybe there's a spot for like, 4 Morph against certain enemy heroes?
gritty sparrow
I tried 4 morph. I think it can work, the game i played it in our whole team just kinda got stomped
glossy stratus
I assume you get like 3x ring of protection and walk into lane with 1k hp
Btw, anyone for some <@&877973728997294120> in 20 mins?
manic nimbus
Really not what you want if they have a hero that gets on top of your backline t...
agree
I feel like 4 morph is one of those heroes that like, how do I put it
you have to go through 20 hoops to do what heroes can do normally a little better
gritty sparrow
I assume you get like 3x ring of protection and walk into lane with 1k hp
Maybe could try that. I am wondering if an urn mana boots start is what you want. Though I think I would just do it p3 next time
I did have a great time morphing into Nature's Prophet and permanently sprouting Juggernaut
glossy stratus
you have to go through 20 hoops to do what heroes can do normally a little bette...
The fact Str Morph doesn't have a knockback on stun is interesting, makes for a much easier time using it in lane
delicate jungle
E
delicate jungle
Btw, anyone for some <@&877973728997294120> in 20 mins?
Yes
glossy stratus
Maybe could try that. I am wondering if an urn mana boots start is what you want...
That seems reasonable
glossy stratus
Yes
(FYI if we don't get more of a stack I'll probably wait and try again later, don't think I have the energy for the Dota Pub Teammates rn)
delicate jungle
Yeah
cursive wing
In today's game of "guess the 4":
dk
glossy stratus
||Storm||
olive moon
i got called the n word by my grandmaster invoker a couple games ago :)
glossy stratus
||(Hence the discussion of it later)||
olive moon
12k behaviour score btw
manic nimbus
yikes
olive moon
yeah
the guy was wild
he threatened to choke me out if i stole his farm
10/10 experience
gritty sparrow
Least toxic invoker main
delicate jungle
Any more for games?
glossy stratus
Looks like not rn, unfortunately
steel forge
<@&877973728997294120> I see one ping failed, how about second ping?
delicate jungle
i am still availiable
glossy stratus
I could still do a Dote if we get a full stack
karmic grove
Yeah I could piss about
reef parcel
sorry currently in a 5 stack haha
so i've stolen tom from youu
me and tom and jenny and till are stacking up
delicate jungle
@cursive wing dota?
cursive wing
what
viscid tapir
I am done with other stack if PNET stack would like to play
delicate jungle
@steel forge@glossy stratus@karmic grove D O T A
glossy stratus
I could Dote now, or I could go grab myself food and Dote later
delicate jungle
<@&877973728997294120> need 2 more for dota
glossy stratus
Five's a party (right now we're just a par)
delicate jungle
now we are a part
noble tusk
ill hop in there
delicate jungle
ill hop in there
were done with that game
nvm
the boomerang has a unique icon c:
glossy stratus
Oh, fun
reef parcel
steel forge
Based on the draft I assume that was not, in fact, a pos 1 underlord
olive moon
tron take your orchid out of your backpack it's been like 3 minutes
steel forge
it is out of my backpack
it was supposed to be a bloodthorn and I forgot what that was made of
steel forge
man, having both lich and juggernaut on a team is a real excerise in getting annoyed with random bounces
reef parcel
Based on the draft I assume that was not, in fact, a pos 1 underlord
no, pos 3 haha
pos 1 was our riki
but yeah it was a very strange silly game
we decided to throw away sanity and decorum and rearrange our lives around making sniper very unhappy
and it worked well
steel forge
we decided to throw away sanity and decorum and rearrange our lives around makin...
I think this is the pinacle of sanity and decorum tbf
reef parcel
karmic grove
we decided to throw away sanity and decorum and rearrange our lives around makin...
Arguably this is the only way to preserve sanity and decorum
steel forge
you're right ash, sniper players are literally hitler
...chain frost works in chrono?
that feels very illegal
karmic grove
chrono in general feels very illegal, part of why faceless void is part of the 'we don't actually have farming abilities' school of carries
I should probably just learn how to play the guy
steel forge
he does have a truly incredible griefing potential, I too am afraid to paly him
also, it was not a friendly chrono, it was me getting chronoed, dying, then killing void off the chain frost
karmic grove
he does have a truly incredible griefing potential, I too am afraid to paly him
I think last time I played him, I did a three man chrono but a sand king with aghs was in it, so on going in I just got knocked up repeatedly
And then manner tipped :v
steel forge
lmao
karmic grove
Yes, that was exactly the face I made. Thank you Ashley
steel forge
hoooooooooo I think that's enough ranked for me for a while
two back to back 75 minute games with multiple abandons on my team
I 100% understand why games with abandons still affect your mmr but it is still quite annoying
paper shell
At this point I just want to boost my mmr by only queuing with Tom
And by boost I mean, I’m guaranteed another sane person on my team
steel forge
yeah I dunno like, I am not an incredible player, but I also don't feed relentlessly in my enemy's jungle
and I also don't know how to win when my carry does do that
I am going to just play unranked for a while I think, even if I get incredibly inconsistent teams there as well
viscid tapir
I am going to just play unranked for a while I think, even if I get incredibly i...
are you playing right now?
steel forge
ah, no, it is lunch time and then rpg time for me
I'll likely be around later though
glossy stratus
chrono in general feels very illegal, part of why faceless void is part of the '...
Hey, Time Walk and Bash both help
olive moon
any of you cool gamers wanna play?
viscid tapir
any of you cool gamers wanna play?
should probably have reply-pinged "sure" to this
viscid tapir
any of you cool gamers wanna play?
<@&877973728997294120> ^
glossy stratus
I'm not really feeling boats tonight, so I'll likely hop on for game 2
(Gotta grab me food first though)
glossy stratus
<@&877973728997294120> we've two open slots to fill
paper shell
🤔
viscid tapir
excellent game there
paper shell
Well executed
Felt bad refreshering with 15 seconds left on black hole
but it was worth it lmao
viscid tapir
if we had 2 more...
viscid tapir
(also I know not everyone is interested in the 5v5)
paper shell
I don't think we're playing more actually
drifting glen
Oh I see 👌
paper shell
You are totally allowed to join in the future
drifting glen
I will join in the future, thank u 😁
steel forge
yknow I've been atosed -> ult so many times by skywrath it took me until now to realise that that root looks like that for everyone
glossy stratus
I think the Arcana comes with a new visual effect for the root
So amusingly, Skywrath is the one hero that it might not look like that for
steel forge
that's really funny
also, rubick is I think the most fun hero in this video game
I thought invoker was the wizard I needed, I was incorrect: it is rubick
can you... you can't steal lone druid's bear, right?
glossy stratus
You sure can!
Though it's not particularly feasible, since he'll usually summon it when he spawns
So you only get a chance when he resummons
(Also your bear doesn't have items, and it's not really worth putting many items on when you'll only have the ability infrequently)
gritty sparrow
It is actually very easy to steal bear
The spell he casts he will only use when in a fight
So if you just catch him randomly farming after he's died or something, you can get it.
But it's still largely useless
glossy stratus
Huh, I would expect an LD to just roar after summoning his bear if he's playing against Rubick
Except in fights where he's presumably already roared
glossy stratus
Fair, I suppose without LD buffs or items bear is pretty sad
Just a mobile ward
Though if Rubick has Aghs at least it can still split push, no?
steel forge
that's very funny
gritty sparrow
It can still root but the attack speed is very slow without items. And while you could do that it's pretty risky when the bear is still 300 gold
glossy stratus
Yeah, I assume it doesn't get the attack speed from LD's passive
gritty sparrow
Nope
You don't get the benefits of spirit link
True Form is still good to steal
Free 1000 health
glossy stratus
But consider, if LD has picked the really bad facet, True Form does nothing for you
gritty sparrow
That is true
gritty sparrow
also, rubick is I think the most fun hero in this video game
My personal opinion on thte best heroes to play against as rubick, mostly in order
I got lazier the further down it goes.
glossy stratus
Void gets to do stuff in enemy chrono
gritty sparrow
Chrono would be s tier if I could chrono void
But you can't chrono void
He's even immune to his time cube
glossy stratus
He doesn't get the movespeed buff from enemy chrono, but he's not stunned
I assume he doesn't get the attack speed from the talent either
gritty sparrow
His Q is amazing however to steal if you get aghs.
You'll notice the best time to play rubick is "what if they just don't pick a p1"
glossy stratus
It's a pretty solid spell even before, I'd expect
gritty sparrow
It is but I am hesitant on taking up your singular spell slot with something that only helps you escape
gritty sparrow
Aghs means you can both take it and a cc/damage spell and be an unkillable menace
glossy stratus
Huh, does Rubick's new spell AoE apply to Meepo net?
gritty sparrow
Yeah
gritty sparrow
You used to
They disabled that
The only interaction you could have with megameepo on rubick was if you also took Tempest Double
Then you could become double rubick
glossy stratus
Lmao
That's phenomenal
Surprised Dazzle's so far down
I assume you can't steal his ulti because no mana cost?
gritty sparrow
You can steal his ult actually. At least you used to. The main issue being you would need aghs to make that useful, a second spell to benefit from that, you don't innately have the healing to compensate and for some reason you don't get Bad Juju armor reduction
If you got the armor reduction it would be a lot more incredible
glossy stratus
I would guess you only get juju on Dazzle spells
gritty sparrow
Imagine reducing armor with every zeusarc lightning
glossy stratus
Terrifying
gritty sparrow
I think I would put dazzle ahead of axe thinking on it. I would probably also put wraith king up higher now too.
manic nimbus
invoker feels great when you land their stuff
paper shell
I'm suprised io is that high
I feel like all of io's spells are pretty lackluster on rubick... but I gues they're functional
and theyre all ok
glossy stratus
I imagine part of it is if you're playing against Io that's two heroes that really can't respond to your Rubick
gritty sparrow
I would probably put IO on bottom of B on reconsideration but the reasoning was Overcharge with rubicks new passive means you rapidly gain BKB levels of magic resist. But also that, io just happens to not be a threat to rubick in the same way other supports could
paper shell
That makes sense
As an Io player I never feel very threatened by rubick unless there are good spells on my team
I guess overcharge is pretty good now on him
gritty sparrow
Overcharging and fadebolting someone does a very funny amount of damage
paper shell
I suppose this makes sense
Io doesn't contribute to the rubick being a problem but also doesn't solve the rubick being a problem problem
manic nimbus
looking again I'm a little surprised kunkka is that high
gritty sparrow
Largely one reason. With the new rubick facet for aoe increase, if Kunkka ever buys aghs and you steal it then it's game over
The random chance for a stun changes into a perma stun
His other spells can also be good but if they go waterpark kunkka you have a chance to just win the teamfight
I've only seen one person play Kunkka this entire patch though
steel forge
sly, you're the rubick master, does rubic just do very little in lane or am I simply not yet practiced at him?
gritty sparrow
Oh you suck in lane
paper shell
I think you have to be really good in lane to do anything
Like you need to be sly
and even then
gritty sparrow
Like borderline useless if they pick a support that can outrade you just right clicking them
Also can't do anything if they pick someone really tanky that punishes you clicking them like axe or centuar
paper shell
Imo this is why he kinda sucks as a 5
steel forge
as in... he's a bad hero, or he's better as 4?
gritty sparrow
Your normal harass also pushes the wave up with the bounce if you hit them in the wave
paper shell
Cause most 1s need a 5 who can do something to those kinds of heroes
glossy stratus
At least he can Fade Bolt for the ranged creep
gritty sparrow
You should largely only pick him as a 4 and just try to fade bolt them out of lane until you reach 6 and become a real hero
manic nimbus
I've only seen one person play Kunkka this entire patch though
I have played it a bit its interesting, I don't think its great though
paper shell
Sly makes up for it by being very good if it goes well
manic nimbus
I do think you can if you are aggressive with buying consumables turn a weaker laner into a stronger one
gritty sparrow
Real answer is that rubick is like pudge in that he's just a fun hero with a high pick rate that gets chosen despite if he actually fits the team or not
manic nimbus
but rubick does like money
yeah I think unfortunately some of the most fun heroes are not the strongest
gritty sparrow
Most of what I do after I help my p1 through laning is I just buy smokes and harass my offlane to come murder people with me
manic nimbus
I have played a bit of kunkka
the tidebringer facet is nice, and he does bring a bunch in the mid/lategame
but I just think his damage is a bit low these days
steel forge
Real answer is that rubick is like pudge in that he's just a fun hero with a hig...
I most certainly haven't picked rubick 5 times in a row into teams he does not fit in
manic nimbus
as is his survivability
steel forge
honestly even if the only cool ability rubick had was telekinesis he'd already be super cool
gritty sparrow
but I just think his damage is a bit low these days
I think they need to rework both his and sand kings aghs because both can't really exist while having those and also be good.
I know a few people that like Kunkka and all hate that waterpark build kunkka became the norm
manic nimbus
honestly I kinda like the more caster playstyle
rather than just the tons of damage try and oneshot with tidebringer stuff
glossy stratus
I like that it's an option, but I'm really not a fan of it being The Option
glossy stratus
In general I'm pretty negative about any hero where their Aghs is a must-buy
manic nimbus
I think honestly the game is just a lot more hostile to abilities like xmark than in the past
there are just so many ways to dodge it
glossy stratus
Yeah, I think it's probably for the best that xmark and Glimpse don't have as many bizarre interactions now
But it definitely has hit their effectiveness
manic nimbus
I just find its super hard to get picks with it these days
compared to in the past
I don't mind the agh thing for some heroes, but I do like multiple builds being around
I think honestly if they just gave tidebringer slightly better numbers it would be good for variety
or something that helps it scale a bit more
glossy stratus
I feel like one-shot heroes like Kunkka are pretty awkward to balance
So I don't dislike them trying to make them more functional outside their combo
I just dislike them tying that to Aghs
manic nimbus
yeah I can see that
I do think kunkka and ember and stuff are a lot more interesting now than their previous versions
manic nimbus
I think mandatory aghs is an interesting thing I don't like mandatory items in general but its kinda unfortunately how it is for some heroes
steel forge
I think they need to rework both his and sand kings aghs because both can't real...
I'll be real I don't follow this sentence but I do also agree that sk's agh's needs a rework
gritty sparrow
Both have big aoe aghs abilities with random stuns within the area that you can't go through without a BKB or else you risk the chance of being stunned for 10 seconds
steel forge
ah no okay I did follow, that being that they're basically the same ability
gritty sparrow
Both amplified their problems with Bloodstone and aoe bonuses being a thing now, as well as the heroes they are attached to being very tanky
glossy stratus
I think mandatory aghs is an interesting thing I don't like mandatory items in g...
I don't mind mandatory aghs as an eventual thing, like there's plenty of heroes where aghs will be in your final six most games (or, well, aghs blessing nowadays)
But I'm not a fan of the "your hero does not exist until you get aghs" style like modern Kunkka
steel forge
okay I have not only won as rubick finally but I had an awesome game with him
gritty sparrow
Neat
light urchin
There's just something special about having somebody ult on your team just to steal it and then use it better
steel forge
okay I have not only won as rubick finally but I had an awesome game with him
slight correction, every rubick game I've played has been fun
but I also did well in this one lol
light urchin
He's a fun guy!
gritty sparrow
I originally started playing rubick to learn the game
steel forge
he's so silly
gritty sparrow
But then I kept playing him because even if I am losing I have a fun thing to do
steel forge
yeah the having something to do while losing is cool
I also think I'm slowly interalising that whenever I'm wandering slightly aimlessly as a support I should just buy a smoke
gritty sparrow
Smoking to gank is always good but if you don't have a team that wants to do that you can just smoke to, say, ward. Or hang out in the back of the fight smoked so that you don't get jumped during a siege
Smoke can disjoint some projectiles too
But I never remember to do that
steel forge
it can? huh
also, while you're here, ofc it varies from game to game, but what items do you typically buy on rubic?
steel forge
blnik
gritty sparrow
You always want blink
steel forge
that makes sense
gritty sparrow
Blink is a defensive item
It's offensive
It's just the best item for Rubick
Unless you as a support need an item to not die in a certain way, like force staff or glimmer or something, you should get mana boots into blink
steel forge
I didn't realise that cast range affected items until like, an hour ago playing rubick
steel forge
Unless you as a support need an item to not die in a certain way, like force sta...
that just sounds like an offlaner
manic nimbus
I also think I'm slowly interalising that whenever I'm wandering slightly aimles...
stacking is a good option too if there is jungle space to do so
gritty sparrow
If you have mana problems before the blink you should just survive off clarities
steel forge
makes sense
gritty sparrow
Blink you can consider not going more if your team is really behind and you are just going to be sitting behind turrets or in base more
manic nimbus
But I'm not a fan of the "your hero does not exist until you get aghs" style lik...
I guess I think there are plenty of you need x item to be a real hero heroes and I don't see aghs as that different to like, needs a blink to be a hero heroes
gritty sparrow
After blink if you have a big threat against you get things like Euls, Ghost scepter or Glimmer. Otherwise you can build a Kaya
Aether Lens is particularly good as well if you need to steal something from someone that is going to be constantly really far from you
steel forge
yeah, aether lens felt very natural with rubick, but blink first does also make sense
light urchin
yeah cast range does some wild work on rubick
steel forge
kaya... I don't really get. I suppose those are just good stats for rubick?
manic nimbus
its just spell amp
gritty sparrow
Yeah. I only started getting the value kaya this patch but spell amp gives you defense and attack damage from your passive. Means you can use spammy abilities like Arc Lightning better. Builds into a Meteor Hammer which can usually be a meme but your aoe bonus and range make it a way to take towers a lot easier
manic nimbus
I saw a pretty interesting build the other day actually
it was batrider offlane that took the napalm on towers, and then got a fast meteor hammer
steel forge
Yeah. I only started getting the value kaya this patch but spell amp gives you d...
oh right that's what hammer is made of
light urchin
yeah cast range does some wild work on rubick
Shoutout to me figuring out that it applies to melee range casts too
You can just Axe ult people while standing 12 feet away
steel forge
honestly I can kinda see it on rubick
gritty sparrow
Part of the Kaya is also that it helps you sustain the mana needed to use both spells for when you get an aghs
manic nimbus
I think rubick really needs survivability and manuverability most
glossy stratus
I guess I think there are plenty of you need x item to be a real hero heroes and...
That's fair
gritty sparrow
Which aghs is very situational buy unfortunately despite how fun it is. It's a lot of money for no survivability and possibly no benefit if you don't use it well
glossy stratus
it was batrider offlane that took the napalm on towers, and then got a fast mete...
Ooh, how many ticks does Hammer deal?
gritty sparrow
You need to think "am I dying in teamfights to people a lot" and "is there an item that my carry needs me to buy" and "will I get that much gold in a reasonable time"
manic nimbus
7 ticks of damage total
gritty sparrow
Remembering which person gets better effects from you having an aghs is useful. Sometimes no one on the enemy team has an ability that is upgraded by you getting aghs
manic nimbus
its not amazing but its a cool build idea
glossy stratus
That's still a hefty amount of damage
manic nimbus
yeah and lasso someone -> hammer them is pretty effective
glossy stratus
Or, it is for something that damages towers at least
glossy stratus
Also not a huge departure from your normal build, and good stats
Yeah, the other facet is just good
manic nimbus
it is a bit of a departure
bat has a lot of items he really wants
support bat desperately wants blink force and maybe something with hp
glossy stratus
I more mean it's not something that takes like two items and a specific team
manic nimbus
core bat wants blink bots survivability, likes a witchblade and an octarine a lot
yeah
glossy stratus
And it helps farm itself back too, not tnat Bat has issues there
glossy stratus
Fair, I suppose the firefly damage only helps with jungle
manic nimbus
firefly damage got nerfed as well as napalm damage to creeps from like 0.5x to 0.2x
the hero farms significantly worse but the attack passive thing is crazy good
glossy stratus
Oh wow, I had not noticed thar
manic nimbus
the hero feels a lot different now tbh
you are back to being more napalm than firefly
laning feels super strong
glossy stratus
I'm glad, Bat should be a lane dominator
manic nimbus
I think he was before but its even more now
I have run people down solo at level 1 before like
glossy stratus
He definitely was back when napalm slowed turn rate
manic nimbus
as 5 bat on radient hooked around and just like
caught their support behind the carry at level 1 with the lane pushed up, and just run them down
glossy stratus
But I'm not sad that they finally removed that, because it felt so blech to play against
manic nimbus
it still turn rate slows
glossy stratus
caught their support behind the carry at level 1 with the lane pushed up, and ju...
Had this happen as Dazzle the other day, love supports that can just mess someone up if they're too far out
manic nimbus
dazzle is good for it but this was like crazy
glossy stratus
it still turn rate slows
It's like 10% instead of 70% now though I thought
glossy stratus
Ahh
manic nimbus
but its not much at low level
glossy stratus
Admittedly I haven't played against a Bat in a shockingly long time
glossy stratus
I should really play him myself sometimes, given the issues with high grounds
manic nimbus
most pro games seem to have a bat pick or ban
but he has a something like 43% wr on protracker
steel forge
I should really play him myself sometimes, given the issues with high grounds
of which he is one lmao
manic nimbus
and pretty rare in pubs
glossy stratus
The value of repositioning and vision is one of those things that goes way up the higher skill you are I think
glossy stratus
RIP, though not hugely surprising
manic nimbus
yeah
glossy stratus
They've been removing vision from all the random spells that give it, which I kind of like
Makes it more valuable
manic nimbus
yeah I think it was a bit of a like
big deal for supports
he can still firefly to see wards
glossy stratus
"Did a spy satellite pass overhead, or did Wind just cast Powershot"
Back when it gave like 5s of vision in a huge corridor
viscid tapir
Crystal Nova still gets to be a spy satellite
manic nimbus
unless your team is really well set up to follow him in
steel forge
They've been removing vision from all the random spells that give it, which I ki...
when will zeus suffer the same fate
his ult giving vision? cool, sick, interesting
the rest I feel less good about
glossy stratus
I'm not sure bat is that great for hg but he does get you a pick well
Anyone who can kidnap is significant IMO, even if you never execute the threat gives you a much better buffer zone to push from
manic nimbus
it helps I just find at least support bat really struggles to kidnap into groups
manic nimbus
you can grab someone but usualyl you just get blasted down
glossy stratus
I expect Nova will lose the vision in the not-to-distant future, but Zeus will likely keep it for a long time
manic nimbus
before you can drag them down
unless you are very rich and have blink + force + bkb
glossy stratus
Fair, I still definitely think of Bat as mostly a core
glossy stratus
Haven't really got a good grasp on support Bat
manic nimbus
basically never see core bat in pro games
glossy stratus
its such bs
It's so bs, but also one of those things that's significant to the hero's identity, for better or worse
manic nimbus
I think support bat is kinda like clockwerk or that kinda thing
glossy stratus
the rest I feel less good about
Thankfully Arc Lightning doesn't give vision at least
manic nimbus
divey initiaty support thats not actually all that tough
nothing quite like him out there but like
glossy stratus
Much like Clock a lot of his toughness is being annoying to actually kill with melee heroes
manic nimbus
you go in first and usually die and sometimes dying to get someone is just a thing that happens
the awkward bit of bat is that like you really want force + blink
to grab people
but also the hero is inherently pretty fragile
the upside is you can farm okay, dominate a lane, and do a lot of damage with no items
and punch bkb
glossy stratus
He's also one of those really interesting 4s that can just take over the enemy jungle
And force you to decide whether you're going to invest multiple heroes in ousting a 4 or let him get items and ruin your day
I should play more Bat, he's a fun hero
manic nimbus
yeah I think a lot of mids can just murder him
glossy stratus
Has the original RRP
glossy stratus
yeah I think a lot of mids can just murder him
Yeah, definitely not something you can do against every comp
manic nimbus
I think he is quite fragile esp these days
IME as support bat there is usually someone that can murder you solo easily enough
but if you have a buddy they die so
glossy stratus
Hm, fair, as mentioned still need to recalibrate my views for support Bats
manic nimbus
the hero is weird and has changed a lot
not kit wise but his numbers have moved around a ton
glossy stratus
Didn't he have something else before Flamebreak?
steel forge
It's *so* bs, but also one of those things that's significant to the hero's iden...
I don't disagree that having a ton of vision is like, a part of who zeus is, but I also do think it's just like... it is truesight on a 6 second cooldown
it feels weird that it also gets to ministun and do damage on top of that
steel forge
did flamebreak at some point do what you would assume a molotov cocktail would do? or was it always the knockback bomb
manic nimbus
it like flew in a direction and hit people and stunned them and kncoked them away
skillshot targetting
iirc
glossy stratus
I don't disagree that having a ton of vision is like, a part of who zeus is, but...
TBF it does cost a million mana, but yeah, it's wild
steel forge
ah, I see
glossy stratus
Did Flamebreak used to have like no cast range or something? For some reason it's still "Bat's new ability" to me
manic nimbus
nah it wsa long range though before
steel forge
TBF it does cost a million mana, but yeah, it's wild
it costs like, 100 and a bit on an int hero, I would hardly call it a million mana
glossy stratus
Huh, my mind is betraying me
manic nimbus
steel forge
that is kinda its one limiter though, you're right
manic nimbus
I think item changes, and jungle changes as well as like singificant rejiggling of bats numbers and stuff
as well as repeated farming nerfs
have really changed the feel of the hero many times
he is usually good but he feels quite different each time
glossy stratus
Talents were 8 years ago!?!
viscid tapir
interesting that liquipedia has the hero names, and that bat doesn't have a name
https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Faceless_Void
glossy stratus
That's the dota2 page not the dota2game one, which doesn't have the name
I don't know what the difference is
glossy stratus
(Neither of the Bat ones have the name though)
manic nimbus
hmmm
according to the wiki
flamebreak and firefly don't damage roshan
that is weird
viscid trout
hey Lark, apparently Clockwerk cogs grant souls to Shadowfiend
I've discovered a strong desire to play clock 4/5 so we should keep that in mind as a potential safe lane!
steel forge
huh
I guess because they're kinda a kinda of ward?
do all wards give souls? like, hero wards I mean
viscid trout
there's probably a complete list somewhere haha
sf denying wards is a well known trick too
you need a 3rd hero to put each cog in one-shot range for SF to maximize it
steel forge
sf denying wards is a well known trick too
like, sentries and observers?
that's... fascinating
viscid trout
clock can't kill his own cogs
steel forge
clock does do something far cooler with them tbf
viscid trout
it's really strong, you cog someone, walk outside your own cogs then shoot one back into the centre which pushes them into the other side for extra procs of damage and manaburn
steel forge
it's so cool
oh god it's like four in the morning
I played far too many games of rubick
glossy stratus
hey Lark, apparently Clockwerk cogs grant souls to Shadowfiend
FWIW I'm really not a SF player, I think I played it once because Single Draft? But that is a fun strat
(I much prefer... gankier mids)
The real question is does Lifestealer get permanent HP from them
manic nimbus
I play sf a bit
steel forge
(I much prefer... gankier mids)
is SF not a ganky mid?
I suppose he does lean harder towards just winning mid super hard but at the same time he wanders around requieming people a lot
manic nimbus
rightclick is more farmy, mage build is more ganky usually
I think the mage build is in a good place now
reef parcel
I play sf a bit
i was just clicking through channels in a fugue state, unconcerned of where I was, and this message hurled me into the duat
frozen birchBOT
Ah yes, renowned Street Fighter player Grandar. 
glossy stratus
I suppose he does lean harder towards just winning mid super hard but at the sam...
He can gank, but you need an item to be able to land Requiem and he has no inherent mobility, plus a decently long cooldown
His rotations tend to be more along the lines of go to a lane, get one kill, set up for a tower push
They're more committal in comparison to someone like Storm or Wind or Ember where you're quite happy to run to a lane anytime they're out of position, get a kill or two, then go back to mid/the jungle
steel forge
that makes sense
gritty sparrow
There are some especially strong talents or multiple talents for one ability that makes your stolen version not as good
The main advantage you would still have over them is range
manic nimbus
i was just clicking through channels in a fugue state, unconcerned of where I wa...
no, no, the real sf
vapid ledge
what, is there a video game that lets you play as one of the bay area cities?
delicate jungle
<@&877973728997294120> gamers?
i know some people are mid match so im not saying right now exactly
steel forge
I would dota
karmic grove
Yeah I could do some
olive moon
guess the positions of heros on my team
steel forge
hoodwink 1, lycan mid, morph offlane
karmic grove
carry lycan, mid hoodwink, offlane morph
steel forge
and I dunno treant 4 because it's slightly atypical
wait no fuck it's obviously veno mid
olive moon
I guess it's p4 morph then
carry tree, mid lycan, offlane veno, 4 morph, 5 hoodwink
steel forge
oh that's a highly illegal place for veno to be
karmic grove
Wow that's even worse
karmic grove
Offlane veno used to be a thing, didn't it?
glossy stratus
Yep
Or maybe 1 Veno, I don't recall
But either way, agi hero = definitely a core
olive moon
lmao we lost
olive moon
Offlane veno used to be a thing, didn't it?
yeah, 3 veno is good occasionally
karmic grove
I imagine your comp had a tough time hitting the highground
olive moon
i stopped being able to kill meepo
karmic grove
Classic loss condition
steel forge
lmao we lost
I cannot say I'm suprised
though I'll admit the enemy team's draft also looks slightly strange
more ambiguous than strange
glossy stratus
I just noticed you had 5k hp with no hp items, wtf
(Also a tier 1 neutral at 30 mins?)
olive moon
I just noticed you had 5k hp with no hp items, wtf
im treant
olive moon
(Also a tier 1 neutral at 30 mins?)
im also bad
olive moon
I just noticed you had 5k hp with no hp items, wtf
all hp items
glossy stratus
Lmao
You forgot to swap your Ogre Axe in for your Mystic Staff, no wonder you lost!
That missing HP!
steel forge
alright <@&877973728997294120> it is now my turn to sound the horns
anyone feel like some dota?
paper shell
I maybe could
delicate jungle
ye
glossy stratus
Busy rn, but might be able to hop on for game 2 or 3
steel forge
mmm, well, it sounds like later for dota if dota is to occur
karmic grove
Yeah I could
steel forge
well I will sit in a vc while I get absolutely dumpstered in a hope to attract the doters
delicate jungle
<@&877973728997294120> gamers?
karmic grove
I'll be there in a couple minutes
delicate jungle
@paper shell @glossy stratus dota?
paper shell
Yeah I can play give me a sec to finish up what I was doing
manic nimbus
all hp items
OK that is kinda a cool build
paper shell
Had fun playing alch
steel forge
@olive moon I played rubick mid on your insistence
honestly, that was weirdly solid
also just a lot of fun to be playing rubick and being the most farmed hero on the map
that might genuinely have been my first time getting most hero damage
I also learned that if you steal wukong's command with aghs you do in fact spawn the passive statues
light urchin
that might genuinely have been my first time getting most hero damage
Suprised Techies didn't give you this
steel forge
I mean, techies does do a ton of damage early on but I've not ended a techies game quick enough to not have some kind of carry outdamage me
gritty sparrow
<@113047534099816448> I played rubick mid on your insistence
Rubick mid is a bait
steel forge
I don't really disagree, I think basically any mid would be better
however, it is very fun
olive moon
Rubick mid is a bait
wrong
paper shell
Aww did I just mis mid-day dota
steel forge
I believe so yes
steel forge
legally I should not start another game before I catch my train
paper shell
surely my ranked game will go well 
steel forge
I believe
paper shell
legally I should not start another game before I catch my train
then don't
steel forge
that is what I'm doing, yes
viscid tapir
I unfortunately have stuff to do
there may be a short period of time later where I'm online but my friends aren't playing Elden Ring yet
paper shell
lol
viscid tapir
and then a period after they have all gone to sleep but I haven't
paper shell
D:
