DOTA 2

[paper shell]

Turns out demoing the collector cache skins crashes your game

I think this happened last time too... I shoulda known better

[paper shell]

idk if this has been seen by @delicate jungle yet but I hope it gets into the game

[delicate jungle]

ough.

hell yeah

is that for lion?

[paper shell]

Clockwork

[vapid ledge]

could also be clockwerk?

ayyy

[paper shell]

There is also a much sillier techies bunny skin but like easter bunny constume

which is probably not what you want lol

[cursive wing]

we also had techies mines

[delicate jungle]

i see

[olive moon]

any gamers today?

[cursive wing]

i think so

[viscid tapir]

maybe in a bit

15 minutes or so

[olive moon]

👍

[glossy stratus]

I'll probably be able to hop on for game 2

[paper shell]

I'd have to play after sports again tn

[karmic grove]

I might watch, could jump in if you need a 5th but I'm a bit under the weather :v

[paper shell]

neat

[karmic grove]

polygon creature doing a cool surfer pose

[cursive wing]

I want to try dp4

[honest meteor]

<@&877973728997294120> , I’m just finishing a pint at the bar. Anyone free for shenanigans in like… 15 minutes? :)

[delicate jungle]

shure

[glossy stratus]

Hopefully I can catch game two

[light urchin]

I can rumble

[cursive wing]

@delicate jungle steve game over we are in intermission

[delicate jungle]

@light urchin gamer

i did not realzie you were already in a game

[honest meteor]

43082238

[honest meteor]

Sorry about a bad last game there!
Definitely understand that it wasn’t how folks wanted to end.

Will be taking a break from DOTA until I feel like I’m a better team player. Thanks!

[viscid tapir]

<@&877973728997294120> anyone around for some dota?

[gritty sparrow]

I could in like

Two minutes

If you aren't in queue already

[viscid tapir]

nope

gotta beat Lark's fishing score

because

I've got ahead of you

[gritty sparrow]

I saw how far Lark git and conceded I won't beat that

[delicate jungle]

perhaps

[gritty sparrow]

I did a lot of actual fishing in my childhood and don't need too much repeat of that

[cursive wing]

I can

[reef parcel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujHbirM_HI0 3 hours?!

3 hours 20 minutes.

jesus fuck.

"we're going to game 3 baybee"

[viscid tapir]

the preceding conversation

[cursive wing]

https://www.dotabuff.com/players/87867116/matches?enhance=overview&page=114

[hidden hazel]

You're gonna be visibly

[steel forge]

That is excellent

[uncut ridge]

would someone be willing to bring me up to speed regarding DOTA2 stuff? (I'm experienced with playing league but this is like learning to play again (sure some stuff is similar but a lot more is different))

[light urchin]

That's a broad question haha

But whatcha wanna know

The biggest departures from League, off the top of my head:
Roles are different, and instead talked about in positions 1-5
1 is your ADC, in the Safe Lane (your side's 'shorter' lane), 2 is your midlaner, in, well, mid, 3 goes in the Offlane, 4 supports the 3 but is also expected to roam a little, and 5 is a hard support for the 1
so there's no concrete jungler. Instead, 4s and 5s are expected to stack camps (by pulling creeps out of the camp just before the minute ticks over) for carries to then farm and cash out on, or to use them to pull lanes or whatever

Dota has a much bigger focus on itemization; you can buy stuff outside of fountain and have your courier bring it to you. You'll also need to buy some things from the 'secret shops' in the map itself to complete your build; use the playermade guides for heroes

[paper shell]

As a note the 1 through 5 are specifically meant to represent farm priority.

[uncut ridge]

that explains

it also seems DOTA2's heroes are a lot less-

pigeonholed into specific roles

or I just can't make sense of the classifications / don't yet know which goes where usually

[light urchin]

It's more that it's less... obvious
Dota heroes are more like boxes of tools for the team then a bespoke character, if that makes sense

The game puts a lot more emphasis on what you can do for a teamfight than what you can do on your own

[uncut ridge]

sounds lovely considering I mained support in league

[light urchin]

Yeah, it's (usually) not the kind of game where you can do really well individually and then just sort of carry it yourself

The balance is also on a much different philosophy than League haha

Where everything is just kind of broken to compensate for everything else being broken

Tuning up rather than down

[uncut ridge]

looking stuff up I can't seem to find any comprehensive list but what I did find led me to "Disruptor" which is rather straight forward naming after having a look over his abilities

[gritty sparrow]

Hate that dude

[light urchin]

For instance, a staple item to get is Black King's Bar
Which, when used, just. Makes you immune to magic damage and CC for a good bit

[gritty sparrow]

Always disrupting me

[light urchin]

Anybody can get and use this, and a lot of tanky carries need it to actually use their stuff in a fight

[uncut ridge]

Olaf ult as an item?

[light urchin]

Pretty much!

[uncut ridge]

sounds busted

[light urchin]

You'd think, but it works

[gritty sparrow]

It used to be a lot stronger

[light urchin]

This is a game where like
Everybody is playing rocket tag

The enemy has a super fucked up one-shot kill strategy so you need to go and get the thing that specifically counters that

[gritty sparrow]

Because it's not immunity anymore

[uncut ridge]

also the one thing that is screwing me up most as im messing around in the demo is that I can literally deselect my hero

[gritty sparrow]

Yes

[steel forge]

Well, it’s 40%? Magic resist

But yeah otherwise immune to cc

[gritty sparrow]

60

[light urchin]

Ah, yeah, that's an important thing that takes practice
Dota is built directly off an RTS

Which means it keeps the control scheme and benefits that come with it

There's a lot of heroes that control multiple units

[steel forge]

I was also wrong 😔

[gritty sparrow]

I remember most stats in the game for Rubick reasons

[uncut ridge]

I mean I played RTS games, I enjoy them in fact, but I gotta say its jarring coming from league

[steel forge]

There is also just an item anyone can buy that lets you mind control a neutral creep

[gritty sparrow]

And Morph reasons

[light urchin]

Yeah, it's an adjustment thing

But this also ties in to what I mean about the bonkers design philosophy of Dota

There's a hero, Meepo, who is just, uh
4 guys at once

[steel forge]

There’s a few 2 guys at once heroes as well

[light urchin]

Like 4 whole ass dudes with the same abilities that can be all over the map at once

[steel forge]

Brew… does something but I couldnt tell you what

[uncut ridge]

that seems insane

[steel forge]

He does split up though

[light urchin]

Brewmaster I think splits into 3 different guys for his ult that all do different things

[uncut ridge]

though honestly it reminds me a tiny bit of say Abathur from HoTS

back when I played that instead of league

that game also has some bonkers designs when compared to LoL as a baseline

[light urchin]

If one dies they all die but they can also teleport to each other

I've never seen one played

[steel forge]

Does league have wards?

[gritty sparrow]

Funnily enough the friend I have who mains lone druid also plays Meepo

[uncut ridge]

yeah

[light urchin]

It does!

[uncut ridge]

but theyre free

only control wards are truly bought

[light urchin]

tbf they used to not be free in league

[uncut ridge]

eons past

[steel forge]

Oh was turn speed mentioned

[light urchin]

Oh yeah Dota also got an update last year that like doubled the map size

[gritty sparrow]

40% increase

[light urchin]

And added a ton of new shit

This is about when I started playing too
Just insane

[uncut ridge]

I eat trees for health?

[gritty sparrow]

lol

[light urchin]

Sure yeah

[uncut ridge]

do the trees comeback?

[light urchin]

They do

[gritty sparrow]

Sadly yes

[uncut ridge]

what's an ironwood tree?

[light urchin]

There's heroes that interact with trees too

[uncut ridge]

why can I also plant trees what is this

[light urchin]

Dota's hero design fascinates me because they really do just kind of... do anything?

[gritty sparrow]

In dota there is an item called Branch

[uncut ridge]

iron branch

[gritty sparrow]

which is an early game thing that gives you stats

[uncut ridge]

ah

[gritty sparrow]

You can consume it to plant an Ironwood Tree

[uncut ridge]

those are the iron trees

[gritty sparrow]

It is given a specific name because more things used to let you plant them

[light urchin]

yeah the common tact is to buy tangoes and some branches
so when you get attritioned you pop down the branch and then just eat the tree for regen

I usually just save them to get wand faster though

[gritty sparrow]

Technically they are the most gold efficient item in the game

[light urchin]

50 gold for +1 to everything is hilarious yeah

What else should you probably know... Oh yeah dota has a lot of Stuff going on in the map

There's not only a day-night cycle, but runes and the neutral objectives

We have a timeline list pinned in here actually

[paper shell]

ironwood tress are also better to eat

[light urchin]

Here

[paper shell]

but you don't buy the branches for that

[light urchin]

yeah they're just a starting kit and emergency use thing

[paper shell]

You can also be really slick and plant a tree to block somone from following you in the trees

[light urchin]

haha,nice

[gritty sparrow]

I should note not as much a thing anymore as that once was

[steel forge]

They should make an item that lets you plant a tree at range

[light urchin]

Bounty runes give teamwide gold, wisdoms give teamwide XP, river runes the midlaners usually brawl over but give a variety of things

[delicate jungle]

It’s very “if everyone’s super no one is”

[gritty sparrow]

Since the sides of the map aren't just There Be Trees and nothing else

[paper shell]

its name is natures prophet and that ability is too good

[delicate jungle]

And somehow comes out mostly well balanced

[light urchin]

yeah it's like magic

[steel forge]

I want one tree :(

[light urchin]

treant moment

[steel forge]

Let me timber chain always

I only want problems

[delicate jungle]

Also items are a lot more important and some have very impactful active abilities

[paper shell]

You guys made me want to play more dota

[light urchin]

Yeah I mentioned items being huge in the black king bar example but they're all like that

[paper shell]

Every hero can have 10+ actives with 6 items

[gritty sparrow]

I sort of do but them I remember our last dota games

[delicate jungle]

Also there’s only 2 heroes in the game where you have to hit someone x amount of times

[paper shell]

theres always next game

[steel forge]

Bloodstoooooone

[light urchin]

I recently figured out what bloodstone is and it's so funny

[gritty sparrow]

Our teams mental did not recover between games, lol

[delicate jungle]

Unlike league which every character has “hit them three times” (this is hyperbole)

[light urchin]

instantly incorporated into my late game techies

(Bloodstone, besides some real good stats and crazy spell lifesteal, also makes all your AOEs Way Bigger)

[uncut ridge]

hey- I remember playing techies ages ago when I tried dota

mostly because I could be hilarious and plant mines around the place

[light urchin]

Techies is one of my mains yeah

Funny little guys

[delicate jungle]

What I mean by this is that there’s a dude in this game who’s ult is “damage you take heals you instead” and it’s automatically triggered when he gets low

[light urchin]

Knowing how to play them is not much different than this

[light urchin]

God yeah I remember learning how abbadon worked the hard way

Hilarious thing for a tank to do

[paper shell]

Also we have a dota2 role you can add, we're quite active btw

[light urchin]

My favorite thing to do as techies is to hit taser, just Blast Off into the enemy team, then signpost and plant as many mines as I can before they kill me

[uncut ridge]

I doubt the lot of u are EU however

[light urchin]

and in the process take out like 3 guys

[paper shell]

2 of our main players are EU

[uncut ridge]

huh

[light urchin]

we're flexible!

[uncut ridge]

(why is there no search bar for heroes)

[light urchin]

Forum thread moment

[paper shell]

though we usually queue USEAST for best ping for everyone reasons

[delicate jungle]

On the hero screen? Just type

Also please for the love of god don’t use the default valve guides

[uncut ridge]

nah only community guides

[light urchin]

Other heroes I've taken a liking to include Lich/Ancient Apparition (who are the same spooky ice support dude but not quite), Rubick, whose gimmick is that his ult just lets him easily steal other people's spells and then use them better

Bounty Hunter, who goes invisible and then mugs people for their wallet

Visage blasts things to death with the help of two little gargoyles (still learning the micro there)

[paper shell]

Don't play IO 😠

thats my hero

no one else is allowed

[light urchin]

Tidehunter is just Chunk Slabman Supreme with big funny ult button

[delicate jungle]

Generally, the torte de lini guides will give you a specific core build to follow in order, so you don’t have to think too hard about what to buy if you’re new to a hero, but thus tend to be slightly inflexible. The immortalfaith guides are a bit more freeform and are more of a “here’s what’s good so you don’t have to go sifting through the shop” once you know what to buy in what situations. Both have similar structures

[light urchin]

Oh yeah vision is really important in this game
Not only due to how big the map is but also because there's a bunch of heroes who can easily spend the majority of the game invisible with no issue

[paper shell]

Torte also gives better ability descriptions imo

[uncut ridge]

I mean vision is always important

also is there really no map size indicator?

[paper shell]

what does this mean

[delicate jungle]

Yeah torte guides are a bit more written out

ive heard people say that immortalfaiths skill builds are better but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[light urchin]

Yeah, I just wanna note the importance of spectator wards and dust of appearance
If you're fighting a Nyx or Bounty or Riki or something and nobody else on your team is using those, you will probably need to pick up that slack or suffer

[delicate jungle]

Also don’t get into the habit of just upgrading what spells the build tells you to upgrade by default, some times you need a skill online earlier

[light urchin]

Also, of course, anybody can just buy an item that can make them invisible, Glimmer Cape, so you have to watch for that too

[uncut ridge]

the minimap

it is small

[paper shell]

i'd agree

[delicate jungle]

Also, a good tip is to wait to level your first skill till the lv 1 teamfight and level what you need right then

[light urchin]

But yes Dota is good but it is a Lot to adjust to

I enjoy it and have put like 70 hours into this game and am still figuring it out

[gritty sparrow]

Dota is good largely because it has Rubick in the game

[light urchin]

I've been learning him, he's very fun and I see the appeal

Something magic about somebody ulting in a teamfight, going 'oh, cool!' and then just immediately stealing it and doing it yourself but better

I also learned that the increased cast range applies to everything, including shit like Axe's ult or Marci's toss

[uncut ridge]

is there a way to increase the mini map size? (I might be missing the setting)

[light urchin]

Not sure

[uncut ridge]

this is not extra large DOTA2

[light urchin]

I mean
It's larger

But no that's probably as good it gets

[uncut ridge]

huh

I'm playing bots

guess I glimpsed that guy too late to save my ass

[paper shell]

did you queue "new player mode" ?

[uncut ridge]

uh no

just PVE

[paper shell]

ah ok

GL those bots don't mess around

though, playing a support hero in a bot game byyourself is hard

[steel forge]

Yeah, it’s hard to do support things with bots

Ive found bot games mostly useful for practicing last hitting/ability combos in slightly more real conditions

[paper shell]

they also punish you for being out of position really hard

[uncut ridge]

Disruptor really do be disruptive

[paper shell]

he really does

[uncut ridge]

silencing items when you get the scepter seems extremely busted in teamfights

[paper shell]

it is

[uncut ridge]

ah

everyone was bots

I thought surely someone is playing PVE

[paper shell]

its not super common sadly

[steel forge]

Disruptor is very fun

Have you figured out glimpsing people back to fountain?

[paper shell]

the most annoying thing ever

[steel forge]

The best thing ever

[glossy stratus]

Someday I want to tp in as Weaver, get Glimpsed home, then Time Lapse back

[light urchin]

heheheh

[uncut ridge]

the guide mentioned you could do that

[glossy stratus]

It's such a mean thing to do

Nothing worse than watching a Disruptor walk out of fog as you're teleporting

And just knowing "welp, guess I'm walking now"

Speaking of mean things, has anyone mentioned denies yet? They're a pretty significant difference between League and Dota

You can issue an attack order on friendly creeps that are below half health to attack them, if you kill them (denying them to your enemy) they get reduced xp, and no gold since they didn't get the last hit

This means laning into someone with significantly more attack damage can be very difficult, since they can just deny every creep

[light urchin]

Ah yeah, wave management has a Lot more going on in dota

and is fuckin hard, I hate last hitting

[glossy stratus]

Pulling is also a thing, you hit a neutral camp to make it angry and drag the neutrals to your creeps

So your wave goes off to fight and die to neutrals and their wave moves closer to your tower so you can CS in safety

[paper shell]

the classic buyback timelapse in

is a good one too

[light urchin]

I forgot you could do that

Immensely funny

Dota is just a really funny game

[glossy stratus]

Is it still possible to buyback during a Toss and instantly be there?

[steel forge]

This why you buy refresher as disruptor to counter this

[viscid tapir]

no, it happened in a pro game and got patched out

[steel forge]

How did that work

[viscid tapir]

when you're being tossed, your corpse is still moving

so if you buyback, you respawn at your corpse

[steel forge]

Incredible

[viscid tapir]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUbw13yvfeg

see it here at 1 minute

Tiny tosses Medusa

and I think this may have been the inciting incident for the change

[glossy stratus]

It happened in a surprising number of pro games but yeah I think that was the big one

[gritty sparrow]

There are three sources of offensive Mute in the game as far as I remember, it has a very unique role in just turning people off if you get it

[gritty sparrow]

It's so funny when people get hit by it since it's countered by just. Sitting in the trees for 4 seconds

Unless Disrupter has placed a very cheeky ward

[viscid tapir]

disruptor aghs, silencer 25, doom 25?

[gritty sparrow]

Yeah

[steel forge]

Mute is silence + items? Or just silence items

[gritty sparrow]

Technically it's just items but there aren't any effects that don't apply both

[steel forge]

I see

[gritty sparrow]

There are self mutes that apply only to items, since as Blink Dagger or Legion Commander duel

[steel forge]

Semirelated, does bristle autocast quills while silenced?

[gritty sparrow]

Yeah

He only stops when Broken

[steel forge]

Interesting

[delicate jungle]

If wraith king is silenced when he dies with his ult up, does he die for real?

[gritty sparrow]

Nothing stops reincarnate

[glossy stratus]

No, and unlike with Abaddon you can't break it either

[gritty sparrow]

Except him being out of mana

[manic nimbus]

I would say league broadly tuned everything down except damage, and gave everyone a lot more short range mobility

and aimed for a more constrained and less weird design everywhere

streamlined

[steel forge]

<@&877973728997294120> anyone for a game or two?

[light urchin]

Perhaps

[delicate jungle]

mayb

[paper shell]

possibly

[glossy stratus]

I could do a game, let me finish up this floor in Hades II

[paper shell]

i was just using a synomn for maybe since everyone else was doing it

I can play and happily will

[olive moon]

yea sure

[paper shell]

Sorry my parents wanted to look at the northern lights hopefully

And so I’d rather not destroy my eyes while the lights are off by staring at my bright monitor

So I guess game 2

[delicate jungle]

you can play monkey king 4?

[viscid tapir]

@delicate jungle you there?

[cursive wing]

any hero can be played in any role. there is some very specific advanced and abstract bullshit pros have done as mk4 but doing it in a pub will almost always tilt at least one teammate and probably ruin the game

[manic nimbus]

I think some heroes can't be 1

but most heroes can be most roles, but its not really a good idea

[hidden hazel]

I used to just mash all random queue

You learn very quick how to support as any hero

[steel forge]

<@&877973728997294120> anyone for some defence?

[viscid tapir]

sure!

[glossy stratus]

I'm in the middle of a Hades, should be good to hop in for game two though

[delicate jungle]

i could

[delicate jungle]

you can pause the hades and pick up where you left off

[glossy stratus]

I generally prefer not to since it throws off my rhythm, but not sure this run is going anywhere, so I can boot up Dota

Give me like 5 mins

[delicate jungle]

thats fair

[delicate jungle]

@light urchin

[light urchin]

huh what

[light urchin]

why was I pinged lmao

[delicate jungle]

i though you wanted to join

since i saw you typing

[paper shell]

another game happenign?

[delicate jungle]

ye but were full

[paper shell]

ah ok

no coach slot?

[viscid tapir]

biggest fish I've seen yet

[steel forge]

warlock is very fun

[cursive wing]

Tomzero and the five other hero

[steel forge]

that is not tom, unfortunately

it is instead a dk who fed walking down this lane with my golems, which was unfortunate

[cursive wing]

i now have a % next to my badge which means i'm really a4 and actually could become a5 soon

although I think my current actual skill level is right around my current mmr. i could probably improve enough if I actually watched my own replays and focused on avoiding the mistakes I commonly make

[olive moon]

im catchin up

[cursive wing]

Hell ya

[manic nimbus]

pog

[cursive wing]

interesting interaction

if silencer casts last word on abaddon...

• when abaddon ult is triggered by the passive it will dispel last word before activiating

• when abaddon manually casts ult it will deal damage and potentially kill abaddon before the spell activates

[olive moon]

did u find that out by accidentally killing urself

[gritty sparrow]

The int difference would have to be pretty big to cause a burst like that if he is not at the automatic threshold of activation but still kill him.

Though that is just a result of how "casting" a spell in dota works. If a spell happens "automatically" it is not counted as casting it, like bristleback

Even if last word was undispellable in this case it likely wouldn't damage abaddon for the auto ult activation, for instance

[cursive wing]

no i found it out when an abaddon with ult up and last word i applied to him died

i pick silencer

or he might have been trying to cast a different spell

[cursive wing]

if abaddon manually casts any spell while over the threshold it will cause last word to kill them

silve edge silencer is your abaddon counter ;p

[cursive wing]

not anymore

ok that sounded way too mean

[viscid tapir]

dang, I gotta get to Ancient 4 to stay in the middle of the ranks

[paper shell]

I should play ranked

[cursive wing]

<@&877973728997294120> gaming soon (im going to forage for breakfast and it'll be 10 minutes max till we hit queue)

[glossy stratus]

I am the slbep, gl with game!

[viscid tapir]

(relevant to convo in voice)

[olive moon]

:(

[paper shell]

I’d trust yatoro on ls support

[gritty sparrow]

It's sad that everyone I see that names themselves Yatoro is the most toxic p1 player

[olive moon]

we did it gang

[paper shell]

Behaviour reinforced

[karmic grove]

thanks for the carry, yatoro

[olive moon]

after we picked up runes they typed "OMG i thought i was playing carry"

so we just had a pos 5 lifestealer instead of a griefer

[light urchin]

Funky

[olive moon]

next game my pos5 goes 0/10 and abandons

im getting some gamers today

[viscid tapir]

<@&877973728997294120> bit later than usual, but anyone up for some Dota?

[paper shell]

My internet is currently being monopolized

June 1st I'll hopefully be free

[glossy stratus]

just started an ad D:

[olive moon]

im 17 mins into a terrible game

can play next

[viscid tapir]

hmm, now who to bring my spectator's curse upon

[glossy stratus]

I'm playing Definitely Enchantress

[viscid tapir]

I have finally done it

[steel forge]

All hail tom

Fish fear him

[paper shell]

Amazing

[paper shell]

Man every ranked game I play is just the worst

nothing but crying

Never in the lane im in ofc that goes well but the other lane almost always breaks like 2mins in

[viscid tapir]

i'm currently witnessing that happen to the enemy team

enemy Kunkka X-Marked their pudge who was running away from our mid DP, and in his last sliver of health pudge hooks the kunkka into our team

[paper shell]

Feels like the key to any ranked game is just to have the stronger mental fortitude early

We even had a great comeback mostly but the damage was already done from huge map control losses while trying to tell our undying 3 that they didn't need to jungle

and that tombstone was more than enough to win our fights

Maybe I need to party queue with you tom in ranked

[viscid tapir]

fine by me

[paper shell]

I do think I need to be ranked to be able to do that though?

[viscid tapir]

we're close enough mmr i think

[paper shell]

Cause I know it sometimes lets us and sometimes doesn't?

[viscid tapir]

12%, I'm a real Ancient 3 again

[paper shell]

Place your bets now

Legend 1 or archon 5

[karmic grove]

Divine

[paper shell]

I wish

someday maybe

love it

[glossy stratus]

Sometimes I get the urge to calibrate my rank

This is reminding me why I don't

Thank you for your sacrifice

[karmic grove]

The strongest skill in ranked is muting everyone else

[paper shell]

it kinda looks like divine

if you squint

I think I gained like 100 mmr in 2 games at least

I have to say this experience doesn't make me want to grind up higher especially playing support

Its so hard to get people to make good plays

[gritty sparrow]

It just takes so long to do ranked grind

I say this while having played 65 hours of V Rising in the past week

But that is less mental stress

[paper shell]

Yeah ngl doing my ranked grind when uncalibrated really speeds it up lol

[cursive wing]

ability draft combo

assassinate hammer of purity

[cursive wing]

with io this problem is a lot worse than almost any other suppor

[paper shell]

I've turly shot my self in the foot with my hero specs

[cursive wing]

you are kinda just like 2 extra item slots for a core

[paper shell]

If you have a good game, you can make fights so easy though

Relo core in for easy kills

Bring core to rosh

[paper shell]

This is such a sad way to look at io

[cursive wing]

broadsword, hyperstone, heart of tarrasque

three items /s

[paper shell]

😦

Also boots

[cursive wing]

oh true

okay four free item slots and sometimes a kinda worse but also kinda better tp scrolls is pretty sweet

[paper shell]

Also you can share with other heros

[cursive wing]

i dont think io is very good in soloq ranked right now though.

the current social meta is supports have to blindpick first and IO needs like at least one person to stick to

[paper shell]

Io is pretty good at winning lanes with lane winners

[cursive wing]

and a lot of the time you just don't get that

it's not reasonable to expect your teammates to effectively utilize their later picks

if i first pick lion 5 my carry picks spectre and ofc lane will be hard

[paper shell]

Luckily my ranked games are hard beacuse of poor mental 95% of the time

[cursive wing]

:(

[paper shell]

Usually easy pz when no one on the team gives up 3 mins in

[cursive wing]

when i won like 6 in a row to climb to a5 i had a couple games where we were behind

one i was sil with a cent and sky

and i said "its ok, cent will get blink and we can smoke with stomp sky ult"

and then we did that like 4 times in a row without anyone feeding and suddenly people stopped crying

in another the razor kinda just lost mid and was super weak but we didnt flame and eventually he became a real boy

[paper shell]

Yeah for sure

[cursive wing]

i think finding an out that can be easily articulated is probably key in those situations

[paper shell]

I'm a pro babysitter I promise

[cursive wing]

ya

[paper shell]

It is why I have a positve solo game winrate

[cursive wing]

but sometimes it's hard to conceptualize something for the teammates focus on that they can focus on more easily than the defeat they have already created in their own minds

[manic nimbus]

yeah I think people just kinda give up a lot

and rage and that never helps

[uncut ridge]

it seems to me that mental has even more wright in dota2 than lol, since these days lol games seem to just end by 20-25 minutes if one side gets a good lead and actually pushes their advantage

dota games seem to have a lot more comeback opportunities

[gritty sparrow]

I think part of it is the lack of surrender

In league if you roll a bad game you can gg out at 15

You kind of have to keep trying in Dota cause there isn't really another recourse, and there isn't a permanent buff you might lose out on like Dragon in league. You can always do something

Also a low amount of infinite scalers that can get a pretty hard stat advantage over the enemy, and even the ones that do have it most barely matter

[manic nimbus]

yeah if they totally botch like 2-3 teamfights

you are winning again

[cursive wing]

I don't think the worse mental is mechanical

Apparently league is also really toxic

I think it might be a society thing, the population of people who play these games are less happy

[light urchin]

League's toxicity suuucks and Dota is only mildly better by being heavier-handed on bad behavior

MOBAs are just, generally, the kind of game it gets easy to be angry about

A 40+ minute time commitment that can be won or lost often out of your control

[cursive wing]

I don't think it was this bad 5 years ago

[light urchin]

That might be the nostalgia goggles honestly

[manic nimbus]

honestly

I played dota 1

and dota 1 was heaps heaps more toxic than I have ever seen in dota 2

like incomparably so

[cursive wing]

I'm not talking about then, I mean pre covid

[reef parcel]

The racism in old dota alone really sucked

It kinda felt like the community split along ethnic gang lines

Everyone hated the Russians and the Brazilians and the Pinoys or whatever

[serene arrow]

god, that shit randomly popped up in the Dominions server once

and no-one in the mod team had any idea what the very ESL Dota player was trying to say, it seemed vaguely racist, but we actually had to go ask someone what half the words meant

[paper shell]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1cu5u89/skiters_incredible_glyph_play/

[cursive wing]

i had a void on enemy team moment but he was on my team

im venge 5 i warded top rosh portal and its about to move over and enemy team wants to rosh because we have 2 dead

once first two enemies go through portal i shard stun them

then our void with aghs refresher kills three enemies who comes through the portal

and we get the rosh

[vapid ledge]

glorious

[cursive wing]

next game mag3 buys midas and so does spec1 and we have no t2 towers at 18 minutes

[olive moon]

yeah I'd stop playing dota after that too

[manic nimbus]

ok that is pretty sick

[viscid tapir]

<@&877973728997294120> anyone up for some Dota?

[uncut ridge]

I'd love to try

[paper shell]

Woah early morning dota

[uncut ridge]

timezones damn

[viscid tapir]

is this a "you're going to come play Early Morning Dota"? or just a comment on the time

[paper shell]

I’m still in bed

Maybe in like an hour?

[viscid tapir]

ah, okay

[paper shell]

To be fair I should be out of bed by now but it’s quite comfy and I have nothing I need to be up for

[glossy stratus]

On the one hand, Dota ping

On the other, bed cozy and warm

[paper shell]

internet died

Probably won't be able to play more til tonight

[glossy stratus]

Ahh rip :(

[paper shell]

At least the skill balance was good

[hidden hazel]

Their team has worse behavior which means they're more likely to tilt and throw the game

Play the odds

[cursive wing]

<@&877973728997294120> gamers?

[paper shell]

After hockey game

[steel forge]

I just played a game of bristleback

I'm down to play dota now

[light urchin]

I could dotes in like 5

[glossy stratus]

I could Dote

[steel forge]

@paper shell dota?

The team I dislike won I see

[paper shell]

Seems like that is the case

Is everyone else done dota?

[glossy stratus]

Prrrrobably, I know Theyflower and Derpg were calling it, and I'm feeling somewhat tired myself

I'd join if we can get a 5-stack going but probably don't have the energy otherwise

[paper shell]

Well if I play thats 3

Sadly Tom's friends got him elden ring and now he has to play that with them

[glossy stratus]

How impolite of them

[paper shell]

Right

[glossy stratus]

Tom's not allowed to have fun, that's why he should come play Dota

[paper shell]

I could maybe attempt the 2 stack with tron

I agree

We could also re-ping

oh dang this treasurte is work like $16

[glossy stratus]

:O

And if you're "lucky" you might get some points towards the battle pass!

[paper shell]

doesn't seem to have that as an option

Cool I didn't have this

[glossy stratus]

Any fancy effects?

[paper shell]

Apparently yes

Oh thats cool

Tron, Were you looking to attempt a game or?

Seems like tron is maybe offline now

[steel forge]

I very much fell asleep sorry

[paper shell]

Really this is Tom’s fault still

[steel forge]

so true

[viscid tapir]

;_;

[paper shell]

Do you have anything more to say for yourself?

[viscid tapir]

Lark is wrong in two ways here:

1. I am actually allowed to have fun but also
2. I have fun when I play Dota

[reef parcel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut66pigVvFg

[paper shell]

I think it can be hard to find the fun in losses for a lot of people

[gritty sparrow]

That's why I play rubick

I at least have a fun activity to do while the base is being destroyed

[steel forge]

Some losses feel rough but like, I dunno

DotA is a lot more exciting for me than a lot of games, there’s a ton to think about, and do, all the time

[paper shell]

I totally agree, its hard to have a bad time playing IO at least in my opinion. Similarly I've had some pretty crushing games but they usually don't stem from specifically the fact that I'm losing and more so related to some other external factors

[steel forge]

yeah, that's part of the reason I love pango

all your buttons really do things even if you're having a bad game

[light urchin]

Yeah I try to play characters I just like, enjoy the act of playing

Rubick and Techies are consistently really funny whether we're winning or not

[steel forge]

haven't seen that before

[glossy stratus]

I do enjoy Dota with a group, I find it can be a lot less pleasant in soloqueue

But that's why I only soloqueue AD

[glossy stratus]

Fine, let me correct myself:
Tom is allowed to have fun, that's why he should have come and played Dota

[steel forge]

legion commander is a very fun hero

dueling is less stressful than I expected

[cursive wing]

<@&877973728997294120> my friend is in low priority queue who wants to play some single draft

[steel forge]

ooh I'd be down

[light urchin]

I can lend assistance in a bit

[uncut ridge]

id love to join in a bit

[cursive wing]

we would be playing single draft, not all pick

so it might not be super noob friendly if you have a very small pool of heroes you can comfortably play

[light urchin]

Single draft, for reference, gives you a random couple of heroes to pick from

[glossy stratus]

Oooh low prio queuing, I might could join for game 2

[steel forge]

@glossy stratus @olive moon we have concluded game 1

[olive moon]

im in party, u can queue

ill join voice when we start game

[cursive wing]

https://ldjam.com/events/ludum-dare/55/ghost-in-the-filesystem @celest ocean

[glossy stratus]

Wait you don't get crownfall tokens from single draft games even if you're not in low prio D:

[steel forge]

yeah I noticed that

it's very sad

[glossy stratus]

It doesn't even get Snake Charmer tokens D::

[reef parcel]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2960430/Esports_Godfather_The_Legend_Begins/ uh.

Steam

Esports Godfather: The Legend Begins

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▶ Play video

https://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/2960430/ss_23cc456fc2fe543bcd2f1fa14908c30e814d9aa2.1920x1080.jpg?t=1715762755

okay

[glossy stratus]

Huh.

[steel forge]

I could've sworn I'd seen something super similar before

[steel forge]

holy shit the AI art bit here is sending me

We deeply understand that AI cannot replace the creativity and uniqueness of real artists. For this, we feel very sorry, but we also promise you that “Esports Godfather” is not a work without sincerity. We have spent a tremendous amount of time polishing innovative gameplay and various experience content. In these four and a half years, we have been committed to completing a work that satisfies everyone.

[reef parcel]

oh no it has ai art thanks for the catch tron

[glossy stratus]

considering the economic, manpower, and time aspects, we find it difficult to afford a large amount of hand-drawn content.
Oh, if it was difficult, I understand, no need to pay artists then.

[karmic grove]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was a game of a similar genre, played a bit of it but can't remember the name 😫

[vapid ledge]

cause there's also https://store.steampowered.com/app/907270/eSports_Legend/

Steam

eSports Legend

Esports Legend is a Esports club simulator. You are here to make a unknown amateur team world-famous within several seasons!Create Your TeamSchedule carefully. If you fail to be the top in the league's standings, the tickets to the World Tournament will just be a dream!Recruit Favourite membersHundreds of members with unique personalities and s...

Price

$9.99

Recommendations

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▶ Play video

[karmic grove]

That's not the one I'm thinking of either lol

[steel forge]

I've been called a smurf 😔

I have figured out why blink is good on timber

[karmic grove]

Lol congrats

[gritty sparrow]

Blink timber is fun. Rough sometimes with how many other items you want on him

[steel forge]

being able to have a way out after going in is pretty nice

[gritty sparrow]

Yeah, and I've seen a few clips of like

Charge up your aghs explosion, hook to a tree, blink on someone and pop your explosion and Q at the same time.

Just removing some poor drow ranger from existence

[uncut ridge]

so that's what it feels like when I play alone and it matches me against relative newbies sort of

played treeant, did okay I think, but their lifestealer kept splitting bot and doing nothing else, in retrospect I should've just countered him but the issue was that without me present teamfights just get lost because of how everything else was going.

damned if I do damned if I dont

[steel forge]

I have discovered what an actual smurf looks like

I do not think the 16-0 enigma was playing their first game

[steel forge]

what did you think of solo queuing?

[uncut ridge]

its not that different from LoL

except for the fact that it feels like LoL blindpick in that there's no "role" to queue into, you just gotta hope someone else doesn't have the same plan once you get into the lobby (to play P5 or P4 in my case)

[steel forge]

I think ranked has role queue? I've never tried it though

[light urchin]

It does yea

[steel forge]

huh

one day I will try ranked

[gritty sparrow]

Role queue is the main appeal of ranked since yeah people will be either very petty or just indecisive on roles in normals

[olive moon]

i think everyone should try ranked

its really not different to unranked except you maybe have fewer goofballs picking offlane TA

[viscid tapir]

rolled TB arcana in the candyworks, had a cool gem to put in it

maybe I'll try some terrorblade

[paper shell]

Dang that’s super cool

Way better than my gem

[steel forge]

I dunno, mmr sounds like stress

[viscid tapir]

it's kind of hidden, you can just never look for it

[olive moon]

hmmmmm

it's a good talent but i think that win rate might be a lil high

i think the trends page might be broken

[glossy stratus]

You know, just a talent so good it wins you this and the next 11.8 games, seems normal enough

[gritty sparrow]

It's been broken for a long while

I think if I remember from my looking it seemed to be accurate on numbers for Herald and then for whatever reason the lines stayed the same for every bracket while the numbers got more and more jank

[karmic grove]

I have that arcana in the candyworks too, I've just been sitting on it because I've only played tb a few times

[olive moon]

imagine candyworks giving something other than 2013 bounty hunter sets

[steel forge]

I got the tidehunter and kunkka announcer

Also 10 crownfall coins

I cannot complain about my luck

[cursive wing]

<@&877973728997294120>

[uncut ridge]

was the @ necessary

[karmic grove]

Yes :v

[paper shell]

Very

[vapid ledge]

wait what's the context?

sry haven't really engaged with crownfall

[paper shell]

This was what was blocking progress to next section

[vapid ledge]

ah

oh like, everyone's map has a candle badge that nobody drops?

[paper shell]

yup

[vapid ledge]

lol, that's a funny idea to gate progress

[steel forge]

Oh huh

[cursive wing]

https://old.reddit.com/r/DotA2/new/ lol

[glossy stratus]

Can you actually go down the hole now?

[cursive wing]

yeah

||https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F7w1mrhzjcv1d1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D679%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D9b6f95ebd4029db0b75b8a04d84a669b57d134d3||

[gritty sparrow]

Patch is perfectly timed to come out on my weekend

[viscid tapir]

<@&877973728997294120> would anyone like to play some final games of the patch with Emily and I in about 10 minutes?

[cursive wing]

yes

But I am currently watching a basketball game with like 15 seconds remaining I might be a while

[viscid tapir]

what's the basketball-to-real-seconds conversion?

[paper shell]

i still have a min

[cursive wing]

It has gone down by 8 seconds so xe I posted

Since i

[glossy stratus]

I want to but shouldn't, trying to get to bed early to sleep off a cold

Gl tho

[cursive wing]

im r

[steel forge]

Ouch

You hate to (or given there’s an io I guess probably love to) see it

[viscid tapir]

we were Marci+Io+Tidehunter

[steel forge]

Who was laning with who?

[viscid tapir]

me+emily as marci+io in the safelane, theyflower on tide with invoker offlane

[steel forge]

I kinda figured

Though I wonder if io tide would be good

Always be anchor smashing

[gritty sparrow]

Probably would win lane but have trouble actually killing anything, but if you're tide you are probably playing for the team fight anyways

[steel forge]

I might just overvalue bullying the carry out of lane

[paper shell]

It’s not awful as yeah you’re very unkillable

You dive the carry repeatedly or cut

[steel forge]

Makes sense

[paper shell]

It functions a lot like axe io in lane I think but I think axe takes advantage better

[uncut ridge]

axe has no built in mobility yes?

[steel forge]

I reiterate that I wish I could not only have io in all my games but there was also second io who was exactly identical so both lanes could have one

[paper shell]

Then you have no stuns

[steel forge]

I will simply play a core with a stun

You are right

But

[paper shell]

Thanks for figuring out the solution to the problem tron

[paper shell]

Yeah he usually goes phase boots and also blink

[uncut ridge]

but if you have an IO you can build at least one item that isnt mobility?

more*

[steel forge]

I said this and immediately blanked on more than two cores with stuns

[paper shell]

Nah you should still build boots

[steel forge]

Like obviously it’s way more but

[paper shell]

And blink is improtant to

Relocate is good, but if you’re really good you relocate into trees and blink out into them

So they don’t see you

[steel forge]

Is there ever a time you don’t build boots

[paper shell]

And then io’s tether while it does give some bonus move speed it’s not enough to skip boots

[paper shell]

Io doesn’t build boots 😛

[steel forge]

Really?

Huh

[paper shell]

Because tether sets your move speed to the speed of the hero you’re tethered to

Unless it’s over max speed

[steel forge]

Yknow I didn’t know that

Pretty neat

[paper shell]

This is why heroes like wind ranger and weaver are pretty good with io

[steel forge]

Yeah I dunno even on my greediest blink timing sk builds I still always get at least boots of speed

[paper shell]

And slardar

[paper shell]

Other heroes with amazing mobility will skip boots

Such a as weaver

Lycan also skips them since he runs fast in ult

[uncut ridge]

whats the longest range "artillery" hero in dota?

[steel forge]

Sniper surely

[paper shell]

What do you mean by artillery

[steel forge]

AA and snapfire both have artillery-like ults

[uncut ridge]

squishy, lots of range, low mobility relatively high damage

[paper shell]

The answer is probably sniper

Yeah sniper

[uncut ridge]

like xerath if you know

[paper shell]

He’s a lil guy and kinda chubby, but he has a big gun

[uncut ridge]

any "mages" that do a similar thing?

[paper shell]

Winter wyvern and AA can do similar things but need an aganims scepter to do it

[uncut ridge]

i see

[paper shell]

Dark willow too

Also needs scepter

[glossy stratus]

Skywrath

[paper shell]

Yeah that’s all right clicking

For long range spell casting skywrath does that

And then there’s rubik

[gritty sparrow]

The closest that just casts damaging spells from afar would be skywrath, yeah. The next ones would be Zeus and Rubick

[uncut ridge]

rubick?

guy who can steal a spell?

[paper shell]

I wish I could have his passive on other heroes

[gritty sparrow]

[paper shell]

Yeah his passive increases his cast range but quite a lot

[glossy stratus]

Ability Draft time~

[paper shell]

With an aether lens you can usually cast off screen

[glossy stratus]

Also Keeper of the Light for long range casting

[uncut ridge]

does sniper build aether lens?

[gritty sparrow]

Sniper is a right clicker

[paper shell]

Dragon lance

[gritty sparrow]

So no

[glossy stratus]

Sniper is mostly autoattacks, so he builds dragon lance

[paper shell]

You could if you wanted a funny assassinate build

[glossy stratus]

His spells are very long cast range baseline

[uncut ridge]

im gonna assume thats the (what do you call basic/auto attacks in dota?) range item

[glossy stratus]

Yep

[paper shell]

Yes

[glossy stratus]

(And it's just called attack range)

[uncut ridge]

no no

the attack itself

[glossy stratus]

Auto attacks

[uncut ridge]

ah its the same okay

[paper shell]

If you’re looking for some other long distance squishys

[glossy stratus]

Hoodwink is also kind of artillery-y

[paper shell]

With auto attacks

Drow

[uncut ridge]

how many ranger characters are there in dota
(uses a ranged weapon, has a foresty/rangery theme)

[paper shell]

Like 50% of them?

Oh I see

Depends on what you consider

[uncut ridge]

so far I think I counted 3?

[glossy stratus]

Around as many as there are ES

[uncut ridge]

ES?

[paper shell]

Earth spirit ember spirit earth shaker

[uncut ridge]

huh

[paper shell]

There are also 5 spirits and a spirit breaker(unrelated)

Also 1 of the spirits isn’t a spirit like the other

She’s just vengeful

[gritty sparrow]

I don't think any of those are ranged

[paper shell]

Nor are they rangers

[glossy stratus]

I forget, are the brewlings technically spirits?

[paper shell]

I don’t know anymore

[cursive wing]

@drifting glen this is the dota2 channel

^ that is Vivaldi

[glossy stratus]

o/

[viscid tapir]

lol

hello

[paper shell]

Oh hell yeah

Vivaldi was great

Hit some great sun strikes

And chronos

[karmic grove]

Damn have you finally found another pos1 main :v

[paper shell]

Well the invoker was pos4

and they also played slardar mid

Also, Patch when?

[steel forge]

Surely soon

Theyflower said so

[uncut ridge]

ivoker p4?

[paper shell]

Yeah

@manic nimbus does a good job at it too

[steel forge]

Invoker can’t be a support, he doesn’t even have a stun

[paper shell]

Yes he does

Cold snap is multiple mini stuns

and tornado is a disable too

[steel forge]

I am joking, but I also actually didn’t know that

If anything stunned I figured it was sunstrike

Not that you need a stun to be a support anyways but it is funny to say that

[paper shell]

Sunstrike is just a nuke

[steel forge]

Maybe it’s lina’s thing Im thinking of

[paper shell]

A very strong one too

Lina's is a stun yes

[viscid tapir]

yeah, Light Strike Array is the other delayed fireblast from the sky

[steel forge]

I know why all of lina’s abilities are named like that but it is still very funny to me

[paper shell]

Dang they really did hint that this would be a patch note thing

[cursive wing]

lol

i have no idea when patch

[viscid tapir]

tomorrow, forever
(i assume it's today)

[steel forge]

Surely

[paper shell]

Patch when

[steel forge]

Itll be interesting, Im pretty sure if a real patch does happen itll be the first major patch Ill have actually played through

[viscid tapir]

honestly, if you're around when it drops, I'd love to hear your reactions to a big dota patch

[steel forge]

Im unfortunately not at my computer till the weekend but I might be able to chat about it anyhow if it’s a reasonable hour

[pearl chasm]

Bit weird to drop it so late but they’ve done it before

[cursive wing]

im sure they are trying to bring us the patch today

[pearl chasm]

Full faith in that. Patch days have gotta be stressful as hell, especially when they’re the big sweeping changes like the theorized “passives for all” would be

[cursive wing]

https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.36 <@&877973728997294120>

[steel forge]

Oh there we are

[stark linden]

oooooh

[hidden hazel]

Oh shit

We league now??

[delicate jungle]

huh

league passives

didnt think that would happen

[pearl chasm]

The facets are interesting too

Feels like the Underlords take on different versions of the same base hero

[reef parcel]

reading the patch now

[hidden hazel]

Yeah I just read that

Facets seem cool

Don't like that you choose before the game starts though

I'm always alt-tabbed during the strategy phase lmao

[gritty sparrow]

Oh this is

A lot to read

[reef parcel]

Every hero has a unique Innate.

what the fuck

[reef parcel]

Strategy time is extended by 15/10/5 seconds for the 1/2/3 weeks immediately after a numbered patch

LOL

[paper shell]

Well this is kinda cool I guess

[reef parcel]

@gaunt pivot

[willow topaz]

I feel like the heroes that just get 5 levels of a passive now got kinda screwed, not balancewise but in terms of getting new exciting stuff out of the patch

[willow topaz]

still, patch looks sweet

[gritty sparrow]

ARCANE ACCUMULATION

SPELL STEAL
Every time Rubick casts a spell, he gains +25 AoE Spell Radius Amplification for 20s. Multiple instances of this buff stack independently

[delicate jungle]

YO

[reef parcel]

Mana Bars are always visible for enemies
been complaining about this since 2013

[paper shell]

I'm watching the video at the top

this shit looks wild

[light urchin]

Patch gaming

[paper shell]

Square chrono?!

[light urchin]

Oh????

[paper shell]

I saw shaman hex manta himself

[viscid tapir]

Roshan's Banner
Item Reworked. Now grants invulnerability to all allied lane creeps in radius

I see

[glossy stratus]

This is really nice QoL but also phrasing it like a leveled ability is sending me

[light urchin]

Certified Dota Moment ™️

[paper shell]

Also saw a beeg serpent ward

[delicate jungle]

AFGJHHBGAGKLHHSDFIO:LJA

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[steel forge]

Whoa the bristle changes

This is like

Very cool

Im glad my guy did not get nerfed into oblivion

[reef parcel]

New Dota Labs Feature: "Persistent Range Indicators" -- If you hold Alt while right-clicking on either your experience indicator, attack range indicator (the stats part of portrait), or an ability/item, the game will draw a persistent range indicator in the world for it. You can only have at most one active at any given time, but it updates automatically when your attack/cast/AoE range changes

[steel forge]

Level 1 warpath is fucking fascinating

[reef parcel]

if this works on blink dagger

i'm really fuckin happy

[steel forge]

Oh this is awesome

[delicate jungle]

support riki real again?

[willow topaz]

clockwerk looks cool

[delicate jungle]

snaps changes are

interesting

[light urchin]

track increases All Damage Taken, holy shit

[reef parcel]

okay this is huge. @manic nimbus

[steel forge]

What the fuck does new dark seer do

This is

Fascinating

I love it

[frozen birch]

support bounty our beloved

Derpghost, Beloved Liar ↩️

[Reply to:](#1159983908885106879 message) >track increases All Damage Taken, holy shit 📎

[reef parcel]

<@&877973728997294120> gonna get in a voice channel to just chat about this stuff in voice while I chat in text here

[light urchin]

This is fascinating

[paper shell]

Just watching the video over and over is wild

[hidden hazel]

This one actually gives massive playstyle changes

[willow topaz]

now this is what I call a universal hero

[paper shell]

I feel like this could have been 8.0

[glossy stratus]

I kind of love this, countersieging the siege

[hidden hazel]

Invoker gets exp on deny

[glossy stratus]

Welp. Time to learn to play Invoker again

[viscid tapir]

Yasha and Kaya
Total cost increased from 4000 to 4200
Now also provides +25% Cast Speed Bonus

[paper shell]

Looking forward to ability draft

[viscid tapir]

return of cast speed stat

[glossy stratus]

Hm, I wonder if that alters Earthshaker's combo potential

Can you sneak an enchant totem hit in without giving them an opportunity to pop BKB?

[smoky herald]

We can see the enemy mana bars now? Fuck it getting back into dota

[viscid tapir]

yesssss

[smoky herald]

I remember that annoying me back when Legion Commander was a daringly new hero

[willow topaz]

do you think this is just a text error and the top line is the new ability, or did they just forget to describe the new ability?

also

👀

[smoky herald]

He can't level evidently

Level 1 night goblin forever

[paper shell]

How does this work?

[reef parcel]

items that give you stats are distributed evenly

like think of apex

[paper shell]

So you buy a glove

you get 3 str 3 agi and 3 int?

[reef parcel]

nah 1 1 1

[paper shell]

or it adds then averages it all again?

[reef parcel]

for something like 3 3 3 see the dark seer passive

dark seer passive does just floor int to their other stats

[paper shell]

4 levels?

[reef parcel]

oh my god. support faceless void is now a thing. @manic nimbus

[willow topaz]

1st level active at game start, the remaining 3 each time you level track, is how I read the ones like this

[paper shell]

Ah ok yeah that makes sense

[reef parcel]

@manic nimbus you can warp to people now

[paper shell]

new relo strats

[glossy stratus]

Assuming talents apply to Time Zone as though it's Chrono, I feel like offlane Void will be very solid, he gets 245 bonus attack speed without any items at 20

[glossy stratus]

Pudge Io Centaur, the Return of the Fountain Hooks

[paper shell]

yes

[reef parcel]

@manic nimbus lmao

@manic nimbus mars has a vision unlink

muerta can set her spawn point

[light urchin]

I Am Going To Suck/Beat You To Death

[reef parcel]

furion doesn't become a warmachine after teleporting

okay good. @manic nimbus they walked back all the weird dps furion stuff

[paper shell]

Thank god

[reef parcel]

well I guess it does a burst of damage now

still

[paper shell]

oh

[reef parcel]

Oracle will predict and announce to allies, where the next power rune will spawn (top or bottom).

this is fascinating

[viscid tapir]

@glossy stratus

finally!

Condemned
Sunder
Removes Minimum Health threshold for enemies

armlet dagon rejoice

[reef parcel]

@gaunt pivot @manic nimbus the silencer vs bkb chicken is now over

huh. big rework

<@&877973728997294120>

[paper shell]

dear god

[light urchin]

Hahahaha

[reef parcel]

oh thank god it god moved from his ultimate

no change, sorry

[paper shell]

whew

[reef parcel]

Spectre and her illusions permanently have phased movement

[paper shell]

Can't wait for the wild builds tom will do with this

[reef parcel]

refraction is now a bunch of health barriers

30/40/50/60 health

instead of a bunch of 1 hp damage block instances

@terse totem

@manic nimbus tinker has march of the machines again.

[paper shell]

maaaarch maaaarch maaaaaarch

[viscid tapir]

Maul
New Innate ability. Passive, can't be leveled up
Ursa gains 1.5% of his current Health as damage

the return of Strength Ursa

[reef parcel]

@viscid tapir @manic nimbus @noble tusk lads lads lads lads lads

[smoky herald]

I haven't played dota in forever but somehow when I read that Terrorblade thing the Sunder noise played perfectly in my head

[noble tusk]

lads lads lads lads

[light urchin]

LADS

[paper shell]

WHAT

[stark linden]

...

support legion, buffing the whole team

[viscid tapir]

give your creeps +12 damage

[noble tusk]

and then make em invincible with the new banner

its a cant-fail strategy

[paper shell]

lol

[stark linden]

wait, is it optimal on gyro to stockpile recipes to not lose money on death?

[smoky herald]

Literally stacking paper

[noble tusk]

deranged quickbuy tab

[stark linden]

but like, its not wrong right?

you just keep your gold in recipes

[noble tusk]

seems that way yeah

[paper shell]

Paper money

[light urchin]

paper money

[stark linden]

cant wait for icefrog to reinvent fiat currency

[reef parcel]

[smoky herald]

The Dagon Recipe Standard