DOTA 2

[karmic grove]

jakiro is very good for it with q and e

[glossy stratus]

With the uptime on TB illus I feel like you just stack the triangle and side ancients every minute, then scout their jungle

Being able to stack both ancients plus another camp or two with your actual hero is pretty huge in terms of gold advantage

188 gold per ancient stack apparently (139 to whoever clears it, 49 to the support)

[rough sparrow]

Learning to stack whole jungle simultaneously with naga was a great time

You make so much money

[glossy stratus]

Brood's always been fascinating to me because of that, she's one of the heroes where it's clearest how far below the theoretical skill cap even pros play at

[karmic grove]

going sicko mode and building radiance for ultra high speed illusion farming

[glossy stratus]

Because she can stack literally the entire jungle and scout the whole map at once but nobody is actually able to do that

[karmic grove]

I actually hate radiance, my least favourite of the farming items. It takes so long to actually get online and the buildup is so scuffed with the sacred relic

[glossy stratus]

Welcome to how Naga played for a very, very long time

And PL a long time ago

[gritty sparrow]

I love radiance

Dumb item

[karmic grove]

its nice when you finally get it, it's just getting to it is so painful

[gritty sparrow]

So often it is not a game for radiance and I see people build it anyways

[glossy stratus]

I like it on Illu heroes and super tanky ones like Spirit Bear or Omni

Because heroes that can actually survive with it can be such bullies with an early rad

But it does feel pretty bad on a Specter or Skeleton King where you spend forever to get it then fall back into the jungle because you still can't fight or use illus to split the map

[karmic grove]

Yeah, and spectre's clear honestly isn't terrible with just blademail

sure she's not sven, but sven also can't killsteal across the map like spectre can

Sorry, I mean contribute to the teamfight

[gritty sparrow]

An early item into Radiance is my common build on her just cause it's so often fights on her last forever

[glossy stratus]

They've done a lot to make heroes better at fighting early

[gritty sparrow]

My early item was Blademail but I've honestly been building dagon into radiance, as dumb as it is

[glossy stratus]

It's nice

[glossy stratus]

Dagon is a farming item now!

Good stats too

I hate this less than I expect

[gritty sparrow]

A very funny one. The better stats at level 1 is why I get it

[karmic grove]

That sounds funny

[gritty sparrow]

The only problem is that if you ult plus spectral dagger plus dagon

That is your entire mana bar

[glossy stratus]

Does Phylactery proc off Shadow Step?

[karmic grove]

It should do, not that I've ever bought it on her :v

[gritty sparrow]

Yes, but I don't think it would be good

[glossy stratus]

Good stats, extra nuke, slow lets you get a couple more attacks in, lets you assassinate a hero in an early fight that much easier

(It's probably not good)

Maybe if you have a very fighty team, SB offlane for example

And can just Step in essentially off cooldown

[karmic grove]

Surely if you have a fighty team you want to focus more on farming with all that extra space

She said, incredibly biased-ly

[gritty sparrow]

The good part with spectre is that you get to choose both, shadow step is. Remarkably low commitment.

[glossy stratus]

On Spec? No, you want to fight early if given the choice, better for your GPM

[karmic grove]

It is, it's also incredibly funny if you get a kill off without even swapping in

[glossy stratus]

'Course if you die you're screwed but that's just a matter of knowing your limits

[gritty sparrow]

But like, I'd say if you are buying "early items" there are so many early items you get before it stops being early and getting a phylactry is choosing that over, say, an urn or dagon or blademail

[karmic grove]

orchid's another one

[gritty sparrow]

I do like orchid spectre

I pick orchid spectre if the enemy picks Rubick.

[glossy stratus]

Orchid's not really the same cost band though

But yes it's great

[gritty sparrow]

Do not play rubick against me

[karmic grove]

the fact that cornucopia is part of it is nice, corn is a really nice pickup

[glossy stratus]

Yeah, Spec really loves that set of stats

[manic nimbus]

I think orchid is really good

[manic nimbus]

its actually only like 1k more or so

its not wildly out of it anymore which is crazy

[gritty sparrow]

I do also think the new Bloodthorn is really good on her, which is a solid upgrade without needing to sell some early item

[manic nimbus]

yeah its really good in general

[paper shell]

This is why you play alch and get 9 min radiances

[glossy stratus]

Like 50% more which isn't nothing but also always less than I think

It's wild how cheap Orchid is nowadays

I should get a casual Orchid more often

[cursive wing]

why does it say radiant victory https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7633055819

didnt we win

[viscid tapir]

it was unscored

[cursive wing]

yes but we still won

[viscid tapir]

unscored defaults to radiant win is my guess

[manic nimbus]

I think orchid is a pretty reasonable support pickup these days

Or 1 pickup

Any hero that can use the mana and ias can do it if your team needs it

[glossy stratus]

Yep, looks like it - the game I got an abandon also incorrectly reports radiant victory: https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7631440248

[glossy stratus]

I'm struggling to think of any hero where it's not at least a viable situational pickup

I guess Sky? Even then it's not a bad Linkens popper

[viscid tapir]

yeah, i think it is the best linkens breaker item

[glossy stratus]

Technically just barely

50 more range than force staff

And 1s lower cd

I suppose 4s lower CD than Force on Bloodthorn

[viscid tapir]

lower range than Atos but no projectile

[glossy stratus]

Yeah, Atos was premier when it didn't have projectile but pretty bad now

For Linkens popping that is

Dagon 5 has the same range and cd as Bloodthorn

[karmic grove]

I am kinda tempted to try the dagon spectre, though, I will admit

even if dagon is an accursed item meant only to make one stray from the path of light

[glossy stratus]

It's a bit tragic that Spec is one of the heroes that gets the least value from the spell lifesteal on Dagon

(Can't lifesteal off Dispersion or Blademail)

[karmic grove]

clearly you just have to build rev brooch, too

[glossy stratus]

The hp burst from the active is still nice though

[glossy stratus]

Dagon > Radiance > Kaya and Yasha > Brooch

[karmic grove]

finally, we've solved spectre

[glossy stratus]

The ultimate build

[karmic grove]

Finish up with a khanda

[glossy stratus]

Of course

And an eblade as item 6

[karmic grove]

good idea, we can just have force boots in our neutral slot

[glossy stratus]

Who needs boots, you have Shadow Step + eblade + khanda slows

[karmic grove]

Ok that's too far for me lark

going shoeless on the dota map? Disrepsectful is what that is

[paper shell]

😄

Dagon builds?

[glossy stratus]

On a slightly more serious note, I think you stick with Dagon 1, since the CD is effectively tied to your ult anywho

[paper shell]

No boots?

Tell me more

I would never do that

[glossy stratus]

and also Spec can't afford the mana cost on Dagon>1 lol

[karmic grove]

lmaoo

[glossy stratus]

presses x furiously

[paper shell]

Looking at my games

it seems I go arcanes most games I get dagon

Probably because I need the mana

[glossy stratus]

Hmm, safelane Spec, offlane Nyx, mid... Arc? What are the other two heroes we need for the max Dagon strat?

[paper shell]

Ogre

[glossy stratus]

Oh right ofc

The cooler Midas

[paper shell]

Rubick is a good option too for cast range

Kotl also makes it

[glossy stratus]

4 kotl is probably usable enough

[paper shell]

(dagon 5 stats)

[glossy stratus]

Gotta love selection bias

[paper shell]

Dagon 1

paints a very different picture

[glossy stratus]

44.81% winrate on Dagon 1 TB, I am so disappointed in everyone involved in this statistic

How many of those dagon 1 Io games are you?

[paper shell]

None, I get dagon 5 😎

[glossy stratus]

Wait really?

[paper shell]

its not good but it is fun

[glossy stratus]

Ah, fair

[paper shell]

The 1 is the value

the 5 is the fun

[glossy stratus]

It puts the fear of Wisp in your enemies

[paper shell]

I had one dagon 2 game and one 4 game

Ngl the dagon scares people off

you zap em and they go ack that wisp is spicy

[cursive wing]

important silencer fact

if someone is eulsing and you press global they get silenced while in the air

and will be silenced on the floor as well

[glossy stratus]

Yep, I think it pierces banishes too

So really "Global Silence" is a misnomer, it goes further than that

(Very good to know vs Puck)

[karmic grove]

lol dagon on grimstroke is funny

[gritty sparrow]

When I've gone dagon spect I usually do go radiance after then build normally

The good thing about dagon is one of its componanys is Diadem

So you go power treads into diadem and can make a quick assessment to how the team is faring

If maybe your team isn't doing amazing maybe you switch that to a manta style and pretend that's what you always had queued up

I've also slotted in just a quick spirit vessel in that mix

Spectre has been one of my favorite carries just in how versatile a lot of your items are

Just slap stats on this hero and eventually you will probably out damage everyone

[cursive wing]

also if you put last word on a puck and they phase shift they are unable to blink or jaunt out of it. they can wait for it to expire and not suffer any downsides though

[cursive wing]

and it's always been this way. if people bought diffusal manta back when it used to be brown boots radiance then the hero would have way more winrate

[olive moon]

spec used to be much tankier and do quite a lot less damage for the first half of the game, I think buying radiance was better than you remember it

[glossy stratus]

She was also much stronger (relatively speaking) in the lategame, which made Radiance better and fighting builds riskier

[gritty sparrow]

I am glad that we are mostly gone from the era of the unsolvable late game problem carry

[glossy stratus]

Yeah, four-protect-one is a fairly unique, strategically-interesting mode of multiplayer

But modern Dota is just a lot more fun to play

[gritty sparrow]

Yeah. I've hated most variations on that in any game I play. Even in dota, that has some of my favorite takes on the "support" role, it's lame

[cursive wing]

https://twitter.com/refleksy/status/1767755256232853839

refleksy (@refleksy) on X

Dota 2 Ability draft is like playing in a chess tournament and where you rank in the tournament determines how much of a head start you get in a pie-eating contest.

Twitter · Mar 13, 2024, 3:31 AM

[viscid tapir]

<@&877973728997294120> would anyone like to play some Dota?

[karmic grove]

I could play some doto

[glossy stratus]

I can Dote in probably half an hour, so I'll catch game 2

[viscid tapir]

if it's just the 3 of us, let's wait for Lark

[karmic grove]

I'll go make some rice in the meantime then

[viscid tapir]

mmm, rice

[delicate jungle]

I can be on

[cursive wing]

dota yes

[viscid tapir]

it's been about half an hour, I will wait in Activity 2

[glossy stratus]

Ah crud I'll still be a bit, was doing some laundering

[karmic grove]

That's chill, I'm still eating

[viscid tapir]

Lark's Zeno's timing paradox

[delicate jungle]

ah yes i am ready for [VIDEOGAME]

[viscid tapir]

got an ETA Lark? (and Theyflower?)

[glossy stratus]

Should be on in <5min

[delicate jungle]

@cursive wing eta?

[glossy stratus]

@karmic grove what hap?

[viscid tapir]

another win for mid Tomplar Assassin

[viscid tapir]

extra note about that game, this was the ending inventory:

[karmic grove]

I should play support more if only so I get a bit more practice on it

I gotta hand it to the sound designers for making the noise when someone farms your stack so satisfying

[paper shell]

This win looks similar to all you other wins on the hero. And it seems to have been the mid game was lost and you came back in the super late game

[viscid tapir]

lose lane win game 😎

[karmic grove]

This is dota related we promise

[viscid tapir]

the reason it's dota related is like 3 stories removed and also not entirely server appropriate

[glossy stratus]

I was playing an AD game for part of that but wasn't it more win lane, lose post-laning phase early/midgame, win game?

[viscid tapir]

time lane, lose game, win game

[steel forge]

It did seem like TA won mid very hard in that game yeah

[karmic grove]

tom's definitely been improving a good deal on TA

the tomplar assassin is truly a force to be reckoned with, now

[noble tusk]

i played a lifestealer game last night and lol lmao nice ult troll i live in you now

its aghs is wild

[reef parcel]

how does infesting enemies work?

[noble tusk]

once you have aghs the cast range goes up and you can pop into enemies for a bit, while youre in there they get disarmed and still get attacked by you till you pop out

so you can kinda just hold it till someone does a Big Ult and then decide that no, you wont stand there and get hit

its quite interesting and makes the hero real slippery in teamfights

[reef parcel]

huh spooky

is there any way to get lifestealer out

[viscid tapir]

he's got a limited duration infesting enemies

but no

if you TP to your fountain though

[noble tusk]

yeah you can kinda put it in difficult situations but theres no way to remove the horrible parasite thing

[rough sparrow]

Its a really strong aghs for that reason its just kind of a junky buildup for him

[gritty sparrow]

I should note that the tp to fountain will not work if he just cancels it

The funny part is that after the heavens halberd change, it's the best disarm in the game

Uncleansable and ignores spell immunity

[reef parcel]

support lifestealer

[gritty sparrow]

It was very good when Muerta was popular

Oh no a hero who is immune to all damage in her ult when she bkbs?

Just get up in her

[reef parcel]

does bkb reduce pure damage

[gritty sparrow]

Yeah

[karmic grove]

Debuff immunity negates pure damage iirc

[reef parcel]

oh wait but you can't arcane orb a magic immune target

[glossy stratus]

Yep*
*some terms and conditions may apply

(Though I think they fixed the last bugged interaction there in a recent patch)

[karmic grove]

Easier said than done since the guy can still proc basher inside you :v

[glossy stratus]

Safelane Riki offlane Lifestealer, both get aghs, you have a Riki in a Lifestealer in an enemy hero (in the enemy fountain)

[karmic grove]

holy shit

[gritty sparrow]

I like being frustrating to kill.

[steel forge]

incredible lmao

[delicate jungle]

nice lmao

[steel forge]

<@&877973728997294120> anyone feel like defending some ancients in the near future?

[delicate jungle]

shure

[glossy stratus]

Oh, I can Dote

[karmic grove]

Yeah I'd be up

[honest meteor]

Can I get a ping for game... three? Sorry, I'm closing up a Session Zero and we started late.

[steel forge]

alrighty, I'll be in activity two, though I'd also like to give it a few minutes to see if we can get a 5th

[viscid tapir]

hello it me

[reef parcel]

till and I may be around for future games

[honest meteor]

Hear me out. Are we approaching critical in-house-game mass?

debeaunair last game read me so hard after just laning with me once and it was magical.

[reef parcel]

I mean. if people are up for it I suppose. but I think it's pretty harsh with newbies

[paper shell]

Ping if you need me for that

[reef parcel]

like, let's say we're playing against punch or something. then we just ban the two heroes they play

[paper shell]

I had a lot of fun in the one we did

[reef parcel]

maybe an in house all pick?

instead of cm?

[paper shell]

We were understanding of people with limited hero pools

[reef parcel]

newbies are way easier to just kinda snipe, and you're incentivized to bully them

[paper shell]

It would never do that to them

When banning/picking

[viscid tapir]

no no it's fine ban everyone else's heroes

sproink

[paper shell]

I’ll be home in like 15 though

Yeah ban io dk all you want

[viscid tapir]

:P

[reef parcel]

yeah for us veterans it's not a big deal

[paper shell]

But snapfire hoodwink is more sacred

[reef parcel]

but for newbies you can take out their pick pool very fast

I guess I'd be up for it if everyone else is

[vapid ledge]

depending on the newbie i guess?

[glossy stratus]

Yeah, for in houses we definitely should have a gentleperson's agreement to not do that

[karmic grove]

Even then there's some scary picks more experienced people are very comfortable with that'll normally eat up bans anyway

[paper shell]

I won’t be home for 15 mins

[reef parcel]

that or the newbies accept that they may be targets

[viscid tapir]

Steve also said he wouldn't be around for a while either

[karmic grove]

Tom enchantress is too scary

[reef parcel]

like, if a newbie is dying a lot in game I'm kinda gonna keep killing them otherwise I'm not playing to win?

it's an awkward spot

[manic nimbus]

yeah I think its just pretty awkward

[viscid tapir]

how could this deer lady be scary

[glossy stratus]

Oh, yeah, I meant for pick/ban phase

[reef parcel]

I'm happy to play if like, there aren't any awkward secondary layers of trying to be extra nice to people

[glossy stratus]

I don't think you can really make it work well for in-game

[reef parcel]

tbh if we have to be like extra nice during pick/ban then let's not do cm

let's just do all pick or whatever

[glossy stratus]

That also works

[reef parcel]

I don't understand the point of cm and having picks and bans when you're not supposed to counteripck or ban the enemy players

that's just kinda awkward

[viscid tapir]

ability draft, so there's no bans at all

[glossy stratus]

Though I tend to agree with Emily in that I probably would prioritize other players a lot of the time anyway? Like Tom's DK just exerts a lot more pressure than say Snap

[viscid tapir]

I think even our newest players have wide enough hero pools that it's hard to ban them out entirely

[reef parcel]

yeah but if snap is just There then yeah I'm gonna go kill her

like if she's more visible, more out of position, easier to gank, the one person we see in smoke

it's gonna happen

[glossy stratus]

Yes, I don't think anyone is suggesting rules for in-game

[reef parcel]

especially if I'm centaur or soemthing I'm running into the backline and going for the dark willow

[stark linden]

It easier to lock out a newbie and force them into a new hero and have the game end up as a 4v5

[reef parcel]

I'm okay as long as the newbies are okay with having a tough match

[manic nimbus]

I feel like this just has more complex feelings and likely to end with bad feelings than just playing games

[viscid tapir]

@delicate jungle you there

[reef parcel]

otherwise we may have enough people to run an in house with people who just aren't newbies, or selectively just the people who consent for tough fights vs not

[steel forge]

as one of the newbies, I am, in fact

[reef parcel]

because some newbies will be into it and others won't

yeah

[manic nimbus]

I also uh, think deciding on fair teams can be a bit messy

[steel forge]

all matches are tough for me

[reef parcel]

I can see tron taking it on the chin easy

is there any autobalance feature?

in the lobby

where it sorts based on mmr?

[manic nimbus]

I'm not sure

[reef parcel]

I know fpss do that

zero-k had that too

[viscid tapir]

yeah

there is

[reef parcel]

if there's an auto sort I'll accept it

[manic nimbus]

okay thats good

[viscid tapir]

it seemed pretty alright when we did it last time

[reef parcel]

I'm willing to try an in house sometime

[stark linden]

Count me in for at least one too I guess

[manic nimbus]

I'm willing to try it

[viscid tapir]

we have started game 1 but that sounds like 9 people potentially around for theoretical game 2

[reef parcel]

alright. let's see. how many people are around.

yeah

<@&877973728997294120> hey guys, if you're into trying an in house after the current activity 2 squad are done, react with a 👍

[reef parcel]

poke

[honest meteor]

Grab me for the second. Sorry, Session Zero still going on and can't miss this :(

[stark linden]

it will be game 2 yes

are you in for an inhouse

[hidden hazel]

Oh I'd love to have an inhouse but its TTRPG night

[honest meteor]

one million percent yes. i want as many people to see how bad i am at the game of defence of the ancients two.

[vapid ledge]

what time frame are we looking at for the potential in-house game?

[reef parcel]

after their current game ends

[vapid ledge]

sry, bad wording, what's the estimated time til the current game ends?

[viscid tapir]

currently at 20 and we're losing, so 10-20 minutes is my guess

[paper shell]

😦

[vapid ledge]

gotcha, asked so i can make decisions on food

[viscid tapir]

update: looking like it might be even sooner than the minimum estimate

[paper shell]

D:

[honest meteor]

Lmao. Turning on system. Also i don’t want to captain. But I can.

[paper shell]

Be there shortly

[reef parcel]

tell me when you're done

[viscid tapir]

done

[cursive wing]

lobby name: pilot net lancer discord

lobby password: horus

[manic nimbus]

rm

[steel forge]

have fun with the inhouse everyone :)

[paper shell]

Good call being responsible 🙂

[honest meteor]

Enemies > Lovers > Toxic enemies @vapid ledge

[vapid ledge]

i was about to joke about your coaching would be "izen go in" which is already always there

[cursive wing]

inhouse 2

lobby name: pilot net lancer discord

lobby password: horus

[gritty sparrow]

Huh.

You cannot live spectate a game if you have friends on both teams, it seems

[viscid tapir]

interesting

i can stream if you want to spectate

[gritty sparrow]

I'm good

Was just coming to take a peek

Which does remind me, on the picks and bans my solution would be to simply ban Dragon Knight and convince Tom that yes, Mars is so good right now, you should definitely play him and buy the aghs again

It'll be good this time promise

This game it'll do something and be really cool

Ah think of the Revenants Brooch mars aghs, Tom.

[vapid ledge]

@reef parcel clip if you prefer

[stark linden]

yep

there it is

[karmic grove]

Insane game holy hell

[viscid tapir]

;_;

[karmic grove]

I got the failure too

[vapid ledge]

same

jenny is now the loremaster on that match

[paper shell]

GGs btw everyone

Very fun/hard game

[viscid tapir]

yeah, that was a lot of fun

[paper shell]

and I say that as a Enigma in a game with a Silencer against me

[karmic grove]

yeah ggs

[paper shell]

I would also be interested in more silly gamemodes for possible such things in the future if we can

There are a lot of fun arcade games

like pudge wars for example

or even overthrow

3v3v3 can be fun

[vapid ledge]

do wards count as allied units for marci W's consideration?

[viscid tapir]

don't think so

[vapid ledge]

ok no lee sin (league hero) shenanigans, unfortunately

[karmic grove]

If you want lee sin shenanigans then I think tusk with blink and aghs is the way to go

[vapid ledge]

tbf, it's not like i have the execution down or anything

[manic nimbus]

I'm less interested in silly game modes personally

[karmic grove]

I'd be down for other modes if everyone else is, I think standard dota is still my favourite, though

[olive moon]

why am i always asleep on the inhouse days

:(

[paper shell]

You can put lich frost shield on wards apparently

[vapid ledge]

huh, that's interesting

i assume it still doesn't prevent wards from getting 2-shot?

[paper shell]

They still get 2 shot yeah

[light urchin]

Does it make the ward visible?

[paper shell]

I don’t think so

But it would reveal there is a ward there

[paper shell]

Even something like ability draft can be nice. It also can be a bit more of an equalizer in some ways since everyone is unfamiliar with their kit in some way

[gritty sparrow]

🙂

The rubick advantage

[paper shell]

Well there is being familiar with spells and then there is the whole kit and options

Rubik gets 2

And he does them better

[gritty sparrow]

My dream combo in ability draft would be getting chakra magic and bad juju

[paper shell]

And only against the heros who maybe have those spells

[paper shell]

I hate juju I’ve decided

[gritty sparrow]

I got it once on Rubick and could fade bolt as fast as some people were auto attacking

[paper shell]

Chakra is great juju is bad

[gritty sparrow]

Dazzle really got done dirty

[steel forge]

on the one hand I agree but on the other it's a lot easier to just lose in the draft phase in AD than it is in all pick imo

and I think that impacts new players a lot more than veterans

[karmic grove]

Ability draft is also pretty overwhelming. Especially if its mostly characters a player doesn't play. With inexperienced players it can also lead to like, a veteran essentially just telling them what to draft and the player ends up with something the veteran would want to play rather than something they want to play

[glossy stratus]

Yeah, I like AD but it's not new-player-friendly, and in a fairly un-fun way for in-houses IMO

All random could be fun for an in-house, that can also lead to "lose at draft" situatuons but at least then it's due to RNG

And it's interesting trying to make genuinely awful team comps work

[glossy stratus]

Does this make Veno wards take more attacks to kill?

[gritty sparrow]

I would imagine

Since they are a ward unit but still have a normal health pool

[glossy stratus]

Oh right it's damage reduction, not armor

[gritty sparrow]

Yeah, which makes it ridiculously strong if they don't have a dispel

[glossy stratus]

One thing we could try is an in-house AD game with a loooong pick period - I'm thinking like 10 mins at the start + 5 mins per pick (you can pick earlier, you don't have to use the whole time). That would hopefully give enough time to actually discuss the options, decide on a build direction, etc for everyone, unlike the normal 5s which makes it a very snap decision

Also gives time to analyse the enemy's picks, have an idea of the lanes, what you're up against, etc

[manic nimbus]

personally I think the best way for new players to learn dota is to play stock dota

I'm not sure about big long pick times ad

[glossy stratus]

Yeah, this isn't a "learning dota" thing, it's an "if we want to do a silly game mode" option

And as mentioned, I do not think AD is a good silly game mode option for new players, this would just help reduce some of the issues

[reef parcel]

<@&877973728997294120> hey guys, looking for a fifth

[delicate jungle]

I’m in hell rn sorry

Can be back in… 30?

[reef parcel]

lmao

[manic nimbus]

hellll

[reef parcel]

yeah no worries punch

[delicate jungle]

feel free to get another fifth

But fuck I wanna get a w on pl so bad

[reef parcel]

we'll just 4 stack for now

[cursive wing]

hi

[cursive wing]

did it pop

[reef parcel]

oh sure

okay let's gme

[karmic grove]

I'd be down for game 2

[paper shell]

I'm around now if you need people

[olive moon]

I'm on in like 10 mins for gaming, maybe another inhouse :))))))))

[glossy stratus]

Welp, I'll finally be on in... like, 45 mins?

In a Friday classic everything was on fire at work

[paper shell]

See you then

Classic friday

[viscid tapir]

1:35 minute game

@reef parcel you tagged out at the right time

[reef parcel]

jesus christ

[viscid tapir]

sorry, 95 minute

[reef parcel]

1 hour 35 or 135

[viscid tapir]

1:35

[reef parcel]

yeah

[viscid tapir]

i'm tired

and laughing

i can't find the : key

[reef parcel]

please take care of yourself

[viscid tapir]

will do

[delicate jungle]

a

[glossy stratus]

Not shown: The two more rapiers left on the ground in the forest

And the fact that Tom only bought one rapier

[gritty sparrow]

I uh, watched the game in the backround

That was a comedy of a game

Siege warfare

[karmic grove]

note the xp equalising was because we had all hit level 30

[gritty sparrow]

I know they made Roshan's Banner to try to alleviate how difficult high ground is

But wow

It really doesn't do enough

[karmic grove]

roshan's banner made the creeps die in 1 hit from sniper as opposed to 1 hit

[gritty sparrow]

My biggest hope from Crownfall update would just to be make the high ground stall less effective somehow

[glossy stratus]

The walls move back 0.5 units per second

[viscid tapir]

maybe they'll add tier 6 items

[glossy stratus]

After 1 hour they've moved back 1800 and you can hit the ancient from outside the high ground

[delicate jungle]

i got my win on pl

i can say im not bad at pl now

but at what cost

i can feel my body actively decomposing

[gritty sparrow]

My opinion has always been I would rather do a risky dive and lose than be in an hour long game because my brain starts to melt past the 60 minute mark

[delicate jungle]

we couldn't dive there was a sniper that would just stunlock us lmao

[gritty sparrow]

League has a funny solution for their shorter game mode - have the ancients uproot themselves after a certain point and start beating each other to death in the mid lane

[gritty sparrow]

See that's what I mean, buy a bkb on two people and go try to unperson him

If it fails and everyone dies

Well

c'est la vie

[delicate jungle]

id assume bkb doesnt stop snipers little knockback thingy?

where he knocks you back every hit?

if it does then im suprised no one brought that up since i would have bought a bkb so fast

[gritty sparrow]

It stops it.

[delicate jungle]

good to know

[light urchin]

wow i love gigantic

[gritty sparrow]

Fully releasing again in just a few weeks, can't wait

[cursive wing]

time to play necrophoas

[vapid ledge]

ok so i tried out khanda shard harpoon omniknight

since i'm partially unthinkingly following the guide, i need to ask: is this build mostly reliant on khanda proccing and strength granting items scaling his AA damage up to scale his hammer damage?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=895968997

also is there a specific wiki people use to do research with? seems like the fandom one might not be the best at updating things (that or the omniknight page is uncharacteristically poorly maintained (strategy tab stlil refers to degen aura)

[gritty sparrow]

The information on abilities on the fandom page is updated well, the strategy tabs however are completely useless and I doubt updated at all.

Largely it's just get his base damage up to pull people with harpoon and shock them with too much damage to deal with with the sudden hammers

[vapid ledge]

ah ok

[gritty sparrow]

Since you deal in pure damage it's very hard to ignore you

Khanda is largely there to do a bit of extra burst since a lot of your kills will be 100 to 0

Since you lack a way of keeping them next to you after you burst them

[vapid ledge]

yeah i was kinda going over things internally, like, i'm way more used to pos3s be working for big CC, and now omni just hangs around going "i don't CC but you also can't ignore me"

[glossy stratus]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2054760217?t=6h28m8s

[glossy stratus]

He also has a level 10 talent that gives +50 base damage, which does an immense amount of work once you have shard

He kind of just hits hard if you have items and levels

[paper shell]

new omni knight hits you really hard with a hammer

and makes supports sad

and also is annoying to kill and his teammates with ult

[glossy stratus]

Your game plan is basically "be impossible to kill, but also be too dangerous to ignore"

While also keeping your friends alive

[vapid ledge]

d... does wukong in disguise not attract tower aggro?

[glossy stratus]

Nope!

Also doesn't show up on the map

[paper shell]

My favourite is when they pretend to be a tree

and catch a random hero

[glossy stratus]

Tree (Monkey King) outruns Tree (ant)

[vapid ledge]

i really enjoy seeing this

[vapid ledge]

that reminds me, i remember PA passive got some change and is there at any point where she doesn't show up on map any more?

err TA

fuck, dagger throwing blinking big crit one

[glossy stratus]

PA

[vapid ledge]

i am so bad at this lol

[glossy stratus]

She has an active on her passive that basically gives her Smoke of Deceit

So invisible and can't be seen with detection

But unlike normal she can attack while under that effect

So she can go farm waves and hit neutrals without being visible on the map

[vapid ledge]

"this will go down, as a game of dota 2"

[olive moon]

coward

[karmic grove]

sniper tries to bait me into highground, but I do not fall for it, for I am a stoi- aaargh spectre

[karmic grove]

Next time we stack up we'll for sure close the game out in a timely manner

[vapid ledge]

is there any basic knowledge regarding ability draft that's good to know before going in? briefly read up on its format

[karmic grove]

I think its something that (like with a lot of dota) you figure out the fastest by diving in. Its worth considering the sort of characters you like playing and using that as a basis to build a kit around. Of course, if in doubt, it's never a bad idea to just draft a bunch of stuns

[glossy stratus]

Pick stuns is definitely the big one, stuns win games

[gritty sparrow]

Dota past 60 minutes enters into what I like to call "clown mode"

[cursive wing]

science can't explain this https://www.opendota.com/matches/7639044697

[reef parcel]

<@&877973728997294120> hey guys wanna doter

wanna dote over some oldies

[paper shell]

I was just thinking about this

[stark linden]

Ye!

[glossy stratus]

Ooh Dotes

[reef parcel]

till only has time for one game

[delicate jungle]

I can not rn sadly but will be able to later

[reef parcel]

understood o/

[steel forge]

I could dota

[reef parcel]

I think we have 5 already

[steel forge]

I can't count

[reef parcel]

me + till + emily + lark

[paper shell]

Tron is welcome to my slot

[reef parcel]

• jenny

[steel forge]

no emily please, you were here first

[paper shell]

I'm hanging out with the BF rn

[cursive wing]

right now i am working on a caves of qud mod

[steel forge]

them's the rules

[reef parcel]

oh bfs are great

feel free to join us tron

[paper shell]

They're alright I suppose 😛

[steel forge]

yeah that is actually a reason lol

[paper shell]

They also play dota

[reef parcel]

wouldn't wanna get in the way of good honest het

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-beyond-journeys-end-fern-hitting-stark-frieren-beyond-journeys-end-gif-12703889995200742968

oh my

[paper shell]

Plus I've been ignoring them for dota lateley 👉 👈

[reef parcel]

uhhhhhhhhhh

[paper shell]

Look slike a birb to me

[manic nimbus]

lmao you get the ugly horn too

get rekt

[viscid tapir]

you don't have to equip the big horn to get the bird

can just use the ability effect

[light urchin]

hahaha

[paper shell]

Man ranked sucks so much some times

I literally had a sniper decide to grief and feed a rapier

because our pos 1 sven took an ancient stack

[gritty sparrow]

Yeah in my little time in ranked I have seen a lot more people intentionally feed

It's like playing league all over again

[paper shell]

I shoulda known playing ranked on a Saturday night was foolish

Also the amount of times I say “don’t do X play or you’ll die” and then they do the thing and die is waaay too high

[glossy stratus]

I'm pretty sure the average pub takes that as a challenge

To predictable results

[gritty sparrow]

Playing with my friend and she got a 4 man hoodwink w

[karmic grove]

Goddamn that's brutal

[karmic grove]

damn, 44 away from 12k behaviour score. Soon I will be certified not toxic

[karmic grove]

Played my first void spirit game, was kind of a stomp but I had a good time with it. The techies I was laning against was very nice and the ogre kept feeding me regen

Void feels pretty unfair once you've got a few kills in you, the enemy venomancer was having a really rough time whenever I roamed down

[olive moon]

you were playing void spirit offlane?

[karmic grove]

Nah, midlane

I just roamed down to the offlane a fair few times where ogre was and he fed me mangoes and tangos after a gank

Its funny every ogre support I see is either a god who will singlehandedly win lane and support phenomenally throughout the game or they rush tarrasque after midas and do fuck all :v

[paper shell]

I like to consider myself half and half of that on my ogre

[glossy stratus]

Which head is which half though

[paper shell]

Any interest in some dotes tonight?

[glossy stratus]

I could Dote

[paper shell]

Well then perhaps a ping is in order maybe

[steel forge]

I think pinging the role would be wise

[glossy stratus]

<@&877973728997294120>

[reef parcel]

let me ask till

[steel forge]

I was truly unprepared for that video

[paper shell]

[reef parcel]

till and I would love to dota

count us in

[glossy stratus]

The depths of my computer's storage are not for the faint of heart

[stark linden]

doing pathfinder

😭

[delicate jungle]

i twas too slow sadly

[gritty sparrow]

One day we'll get Crownfall

Eventually.

[steel forge]

sorry again for leaving suddenly and strangely, my roommate is just very loud and my apartment is small and I was trying to not let that bleed into my mic too much

thanks again for the game :)

[glossy stratus]

You're all good

[paper shell]

no worries

[karmic grove]

Man void spirit is a ton of fun, got another mid game with him. I should give ember and storm a try, too, since they look like similar playstyles

The more roaming, space creatory playstyle of mid is very novel, too.

[olive moon]

Any gamers?

it's probably a bit early for NA but I'm booored

[glossy stratus]

Too early for me, unfortunately

[glossy stratus]

They're both a ton of fun, Ember in particular has a ton of depth and flexibility in items and playstyle

[steel forge]

It’s too early for me but Id totally be down later

[paper shell]

It is now significantly later 🙂

[steel forge]

Unfortunately I just spent a solid hour in a nebulous lobby so I must now sleep rather than dota

[manic nimbus]

The spirits are definitely fun

But do sit in the awkward mid place where you need to keep caught up on farm and do game impact

[glossy stratus]

Yeah, the balance of farm and fight is always tricky with the Spirits

They're also often expected to be farming/pushing the most dangerous areas of the map, since they have the mobility and evasiveness to do so

[rough sparrow]

Anybody up for a game?

[karmic grove]

Woo, got level 6 on dusa. Now I've got more annoying voicelines to throw out 😈

[rough sparrow]

I forget which level is oh crap

But the delivery on it is fantastic

[karmic grove]

that's 12, definitely looking forward to that one

top tier for throwing out after you screw up and die

[olive moon]

good choice. the level 18 line is great as well

[karmic grove]

Still my favourite hero by a good margin. Jugg's up there too, and void is creeping in as I get more games on him

[olive moon]

you want to play a game?

[karmic grove]

Yeah, sure

[gritty sparrow]

Even though I don't like Doom he has my favorite voice line spam

Which is just "Holy Shit!"

[olive moon]

how can u not like doom

hes big

hes on fire

he pulls a billion gold out of nowhere

anyway <@&877973728997294120> can we get 2 more for a 5 stack

[viscid tapir]

i can be around shortly

[olive moon]

hell yeha

[steel forge]

I’d be down for a game 2 probably

[rough sparrow]

Doom takes a weird mindset for how straightforward his kit is, he’s become one of my favorite offlaners but he’s also especially rn revolving around a lot of really high cd spells where its easy to have middling impact as Doom is no longer ‘turn off everything’ , and then mostly sits as a block of HP

[karmic grove]

What are some other pos4s like hoodwink that let you just become a nasty little greed creature if you do well in lane?

[steel forge]

uhh I don't know if ogre is a 4 but ogre generally outfarms me as a 3

[karmic grove]

yeah, ogres one of my goto's too

[rough sparrow]

Venge does goofy shit with a lot of money honestly

Tusk as well

[karmic grove]

tusk looks quite fun

[glossy stratus]

If you can get a Blink Aghs as Tusk 4 you can do so much stuff

[karmic grove]

Yeah, I've been on the receiving end a few times

[glossy stratus]

The kick kidnap is the standout but also just removing a critical hero from a teamfight and saving your entire team from a big ult

[karmic grove]

<@&877973728997294120> anyone up to defend an ancient?

[paper shell]

I could probably

[steel forge]

yes

[delicate jungle]

h

[paper shell]

Sorry I'll be there in a sec

[karmic grove]

🫡

np we're also waiting on theyflower

[glossy stratus]

I'll catch a game 2 or 3 hopefully

[gritty sparrow]

Rubick.

[paper shell]

please

possibly the worst 5th i've ever had

[delicate jungle]

@cursive wing were done with our game

[steel forge]

also @glossy stratus if you're around

[cursive wing]

i have not yet taken a shower

i started playing path of exile lol

[cursive wing]

https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7642757494

[rough sparrow]

Fellas are we still defending

[paper shell]

fellas

[karmic grove]

fellas 😔

mid is too hard, I need to return to the simple life of carry where I have a babysitter

[gritty sparrow]

Might I recommend p4

[karmic grove]

p4 is also cool, I need to play more hoodwink

[gritty sparrow]

It's like a normal role except you don't cs, barely lane and l no one expects you to do anything bit murder

[karmic grove]

I've spectated you a couple times and your friend who plays her is very good

[gritty sparrow]

Oh,mana witch

[karmic grove]

yeah

[gritty sparrow]

She's named that because she is grandmaster Crystal Maiden

She is a good example of the mindset there

I met her in league like a decade ago playing Leona and friended her because she just went in on anyone in her line of sight without hesitation

[karmic grove]

lmao

that's basically the opposite of how I play, I like getting farmed up - interacting with the enemy as little as possible and then knocking them over in teamfights

[gritty sparrow]

We do have the unfortunate effect of trolling our friends because when we are in a stack we are the support players. And we pick hoodwink and rubick every game. Two supports that just suck up gold from our carries

[karmic grove]

I journey to my mind palace when a rubick fade bolts a wave, so I do not have to witness it

[gritty sparrow]

Lol

[cursive wing]

are we done

[viscid tapir]

<@&877973728997294120> anyone up to defend of the ancient?

[paper shell]

🤔

[steel forge]

Yes

[delicate jungle]

....

maybe?

im pretty tired

ping me if you need a fifth

[viscid tapir]

in voice in a sec

[steel forge]

sorry @paper shell @viscid tapir my roommate immediately started a voice call right beside me, I am here and listening

[cursive wing]

I am awake

[paper shell]

pls no more games like this

[gritty sparrow]

Clown mode dota

[paper shell]

I don't think I;ve ever pressed so many buttons

[karmic grove]

Pilotnet classic

[viscid tapir]

we lost that one unfortunately

[karmic grove]

highground b like

[gritty sparrow]

I was watching it. The tom gameplay of showing on the map for 2.5 seconds and getting 4 tps to his location was very funny

[stark linden]

One must imagine Emily happy

[karmic grove]

emily actually loves those games, book of the dead is her favourite item

[paper shell]

Uh I don’t want to confirm or deny this

I had a lot of fun though, it was actually a super close game

[steel forge]

Yeah for a 90 minute game it was really close

Good fun, I actually felt useful late game

[glossy stratus]

How is it whenever I'm not there you manage to get 90 minute games?

Not a complaint, mind you, please keep it that way

But how?

[steel forge]

I was going to say lol

The dota gods favour you

[glossy stratus]

One benefit of playing Magnus is at least the games don't get stuck in a stalemate at high ground

[steel forge]

It’s true

[glossy stratus]

But I think you need to play more Dark Willow for the siege

[steel forge]

That’s true

But support is so much responsibility

I actually have to like, play the game

[glossy stratus]

More kinds of responsibility, really

[steel forge]

Not just hit my keys and have people die

Admittedly hitting my keys is sometimes complex

[glossy stratus]

That's what Hoodwink or Sky are for

[steel forge]

But like, as a 3 I have a pretty focused role

[glossy stratus]

Supports that hit keys and people die

Yeah, 3 is... not straightforward, but narrower in scope

Though in exchange it has more decisionmaking required

[rough sparrow]

False. Play Undying

[steel forge]

True

I’m have played undying

They’re pretty cool

[rough sparrow]

If you can ward half decently and have violence in your heart

Undying is fucking prime

[steel forge]

I feel like if I had to sum it up concisely it really feels like playing 3 is just being a bully/nusicance

[rough sparrow]

I was ass at support until I started playing Jak and Undying and just spent my time running at people

[steel forge]

Like I don’t win fights by myself usually but I need to present the threat of doing so so that the real carries can do their job

[glossy stratus]

"Fight enabler" is definitely a large part of what 3 does

[steel forge]

I kinda want to try ogre honestly

Or uh

[noble tusk]

its why its my favorite role

[rough sparrow]

Ogre’s great

[steel forge]

Who’s the other incredibly greedy 4

[noble tusk]

i enjoy blink stun gameplay

[rough sparrow]

I like venge a lot

[glossy stratus]

Blink is such a great item

[steel forge]

Indeed lol

[noble tusk]

i remember way back coming from league and going "what do you mean i can buy Flash and use it all the time"

[rough sparrow]

Grimstroke is also up there for aggressive support

[steel forge]

I’m still kinda stumped as to why the guide I follow for timber has him buying blink

[rough sparrow]

Grim-slardar is fucking grueling

[steel forge]

Like Ive never done it, because I just don’t see the use

[glossy stratus]

There's a lot of greedy 4s - NP, Hoodwink, Ench all tend towards greed

[steel forge]

But it’s always there looking at me

[noble tusk]

@paper shell and i ran io/slardar the other day and man that slapped

[karmic grove]

Hoodwink, Rubick, Enchantress

[noble tusk]

we just Caused Problems everywhere

[steel forge]

Maybe I should just learn hoodwink lmao

[karmic grove]

Snapfire if I'm playing her

[paper shell]

Io slardar does slap

[steel forge]

They seem good

[glossy stratus]

With practice it can be really mean, since they don't have time to react like with Timber Chain, and it extends your reach a lot

[paper shell]

More attack speed/ all regen problems for slardar solved

you get to be global

[glossy stratus]

And it comboes with Aghs, since the barrier prevents it from being disabled

[steel forge]

I suppose yeah if there’s a squishy support who just needs to die right away I can see it

Oh yeah it would

[glossy stratus]

But the cost is if you get it you have to get kills with it

If you buy a blink and haven't gotten five kills in the next ten minutes off of it you've torpedoed your game

[steel forge]

Yeah I can see that

[paper shell]

it can be nice extra mobility for timber too

blink then timber chain

you're untouchable

or even timberchain out, then you have time for blink to come off cooldown

[steel forge]

I think Ive just not really played any games I could get great use out of it

Like in that 90 minute one I don’t think blink really would’ve been more useful than anything else I bought

[paper shell]

I think part of it would come from great comfort on the hero

[glossy stratus]

It really sucks to be a support if an enemy Timber has a good lane and gets a Blink, since they can just blink > whirling death > chakram > chain and you're dead before you can cast a spell

[steel forge]

Yeah, for sure

I do think he’s like, my second most comfortable hero at this point

But the gulf in complexity between him and sand king is really noticeable

Also I barely have a hundred hours in the game so what comfortable counts as is questionable lol

[glossy stratus]

It's interesting, since SK has maybe a higher skill ceiling in lane with Caustic, but past laning phase Timber is one of those heroes who you can always play better with

Using Chakram to open paths for Chain opens so many paths of the decision tree

[paper shell]

cutting trees for vision

the angles you get with chain

[steel forge]

Yeah there’s a lot of little bits with caustic, but that falls off pretty quickly and is a little irrelevant in some lanes

I do not think I should be levelling it early against two ranged heroes, thinking on my past games

[glossy stratus]

That's the interesting part, it gets better the more practice you get with lane manipulation

[steel forge]

Yeah that is something I fully do not get

[glossy stratus]

Still definitely best against melee heroes though

[steel forge]

Like I know being closer to your tower is better

But past that it’s a little lost on me

I do know how to draw creep aggro but Ill be damned if I ever remember to lol

[glossy stratus]

yeah, lane control/creep aggro are an entire game in themselves

Which is why I like to let one creep through my block early, pushing it out of balance into a more chaotic equilibrium throws a lot of people off

[steel forge]

By block do you mean like, the shape? Or the thing where you can like stand in front of creeps to slow them, or some third thing I don’t know at all?

[glossy stratus]

Stand in front to slow them down

[reef parcel]

oh shit I forgot to show off the unique camera trick I figured out I could do using wsad camera, I'll maybe take a video of it sometime later

you can do a homing offset on your hero

[manic nimbus]

I saw a pro game recently doing kotl timber

and that looked strong

[karmic grove]

kotl has so many nasty pairings

Getting a kotl as pl is always a treat, I just get to spam my annoying ass nuke in lane

[manic nimbus]

yeah I do think he is greedy as a 5

but it is a strong lane

[karmic grove]

I can't really complain about greedy picks considering how I play :v

[manic nimbus]

I don't think greedy picks are individually a problem but it's sorta a budget for the whole team

As long as some people are less greedy it works

[reef parcel]

<@&877973728997294120> https://www.dota2.com/newsentry/6127782523022178336

https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.35d

[stark linden]

Damn

divine rapier stocks in shambles

[reef parcel]

divine or rapier

you decide!

[stark linden]

(not really since its basically the same)

oh this is interesting

this is a huge buff to a ton of people right?

[reef parcel]

omg the ban change is so nice

no more accidentally picking someone you wanted to ban

fuck I hate uis that reuse buttons like that

[paper shell]

Woah that’s crazy

[karmic grove]

Rev brooch nerf

can't crit with it active anymore

[stark linden]

YOOO

this is cool??

[karmic grove]

No more getting soup'd by magic damage pa

[paper shell]

Very cool looking

[karmic grove]

Chen nerfs

rip the great kinan rod

[paper shell]

He deserved it

[glossy stratus]

RIP Brooch Mars

Those DK nerfs are probably deserved

Surprised the Pango one is so drastic though

Makes his scaling a lot worse

Also all my lightning stick stocks in shambles D':

[delicate jungle]

ok now what they need to do is let you select different banlists so i can have one for PL, one for my 4s, etc

but. really cool feature

SNAPFIRE BUFFS YES

no pl or waith king changes good

minor hoodwink nerf

[glossy stratus]

Hoodwink gets hit pretty hard by the Maelstrom nerf unfortunately

[glossy stratus]

Not a huge fan of locking this behind Dota+, but hopefully that's a temporary measure

[delicate jungle]

ah yeah

[glossy stratus]

Being able to save/load banlists would be nice but with only 4 slots it's not that painful to manually adjust

[viscid tapir]

it says "initially limited" so I'm hopeful

Pilot Net stack about to queue for a game with 5 snipers in their ban preferences:

[steel forge]

so true

honestly not having to choose between the 4 people I like banning is nice

[glossy stratus]

It will choose for you!

[steel forge]

timber nerfs though

pretty minor ones all told but still

[glossy stratus]

Curious if the Chain damage nerf changes any breakpoints

Namely what creeps/neutrals a Chain+Whirling Death don't kill now that they would before

[delicate jungle]

Can you overlap bans?

[viscid tapir]

dunno

[gritty sparrow]

Damn

Fucking shot Rapier in the kneecaps

Or, I guess moreso revenants with it's current abusers

[steel forge]

honestly the rapier changes seem really cool

[karmic grove]

yeah, standard rapier is still 350 damage

[steel forge]

like that's just very interesting

[karmic grove]

just means you can't double dip with the brooch

[gritty sparrow]

Yeah I misread the toggle thing at first

[karmic grove]

Eh, it's a 5% change, it's not that bad

Anyway the real wincon for hoodwink is hitting sick ass sharpshots

[glossy stratus]

A 17% nerf

But for Hoodwink the damage in fights is less important (though still significant), it's the weakening of her split push that's big

[stark linden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYqbYhBRQ5I @reef parcel

[reef parcel]

<@&877973728997294120> hey guys up for dota

till and I are around

[stark linden]

hi hi

[delicate jungle]

shure

[karmic grove]

yeah

[viscid tapir]

I'll be around in like 15-20 minutes if anyone's still playing

[viscid tapir]

;_;

my last match

taunting me

[paper shell]

T_T

Punch after graduating from newbie status

[viscid tapir]

spell rapier vs. damage rapier, for those who want the comparison

[karmic grove]

finally, blue rapier

[viscid tapir]

<@&877973728997294120> anyone around to be a 5th?

[delicate jungle]

My brain is fried uhhhh

[paper shell]

don't worry about it punch

I'd rather have a focused punchbunny

who has fun

than a mind numbed one who doesn't

[delicate jungle]

im not gonna sugarcoat it

[reef parcel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBZ0KLylcCQ @paper shell @manic nimbus @delicate jungle @karmic grove @stark linden @viscid tapir

[stark linden]

🐻

[serene arrow]

ashley linked this to me elsewhere and I think she's trying to tell me something

[stark linden]

Is that something "play dota"

[serene arrow]

I think she might be calling me an Ursa player

[reef parcel]

she's onto me

[serene arrow]

(and yeah i've considered it but realistically I don't really have enough time when other people are around to really learn the game)

[karmic grove]

classic ursa players

[cursive wing]

sorry about griefing the pick phase there but my rd instincts kicked in and i saw a hero that was op on the board

[paper shell]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/s/GnYE415QOJ

[cursive wing]

yoooo im gonna pick him every game now

[steel forge]

I'm confused about what this post means I think

[reef parcel]

people would impulse ban pudge at the start of the game when they had 10 seconds to pick

but now that they can sit down and actually seriously commit to 4 bans, no-one's gonna ban pudge

so pudge is now free

[noble tusk]

huzzah

and also oh no

[steel forge]

That makes sense, pudge really doesn’t seem that ban-worthy

[noble tusk]

ime it's a real feast or famine hero, so if the person picking it isnt doing great it can feel really bad whereas if theyre incredible it feels great. better to just not take the risk of having a bad one on your team by banning

but me? im incredible, i simply always hit my hooks and that's that

[steel forge]

That tracks

He also seems really flexible as a hero

[gritty sparrow]

This is really good for RubickCoin

[reef parcel]

what is wrong with your tower?!

that cosmetic is gross

[steel forge]

You don’t like the hand?

[noble tusk]

i wanna get the crab ones eventually

[olive moon]

imagine if invoker hit any spell

very cool outplay though

[gritty sparrow]

I actually have the crab ones for Dire side

If I didn't die in dumb ways two times I'd say it's one of the best rubick games I played since I did double anyone elses damage, but I did in fact feed like 2k gold in one death

[paper shell]

the sun strike really pulls this all together

[gritty sparrow]

He was maxxing exort first too

Even if he wasn't low my sunstrike was about to do 500 pure damage

[karmic grove]

Just noticed the patch buffed sand king's base damage by 6, that's quite a bit

tron eating good tonight

[gritty sparrow]

I play so many heroes that hate playing against Sand King

I do not wish for this.

[steel forge]

Yeah Im hyped by that lol

The nerf to strength gain is a little sad but I don’t mind really

Sand king’s never really been tanky in my experience

[karmic grove]

Oh yeah 12k behaviour score, I'm finally non toxic 😎

The people, they adore me

[paper shell]

Certified non-toxic

[karmic grove]

lol, had a game where a guy instalocked pa because he thought it was the ban phase

they were very apologetic about it :v

[paper shell]

non-patch note readers

[karmic grove]

You gotta love em

Can't wait to see a rev brooch rapier Daedalus guy in our next 70min game

[steel forge]

<@&877973728997294120> anyone for some dotes?

[glossy stratus]

I could dote

[karmic grove]

I could also dote

[glossy stratus]

Just as soon as I rouse myself from sitting in my car listening to the rain on the roof

[steel forge]

damn that sounds nice lol

[karmic grove]

Cosy

[delicate jungle]

perhaps

[steel forge]

hey @glossy stratus eta?

[glossy stratus]

@delicate jungle ?

[delicate jungle]

<@&877973728997294120> we need a fifth

[steel forge]

<@&877973728997294120> anyone want to be a fifth for game deux?

[delicate jungle]

or we could inhouse

[light urchin]

I can hop in

[delicate jungle]

yeh hop in

[cursive wing]

I just wow up

[delicate jungle]

would you like to take my place

[cursive wing]

I'm still in bed after awake

I need to pee and eat pizza before I do any gaming

My bladder feels gelid with the product of my kidneys

[delicate jungle]

i see

[south tangle]

how high-level is the Dota being played rn?

[gritty sparrow]

Most of the regular players are about ancient level

[viscid tapir]

ah yes, Warcraft 3 (Modded)

[light urchin]

Hmmm
Does anybody have any tips for like, playing heros with summons/extra characters

I'm trying to wrap my head around it

[paper shell]

all of them are different but yes

[viscid tapir]

if you mean actually just microing them, that just takes practice

[paper shell]

having a select hero key bound will help

[viscid tapir]

(my half-joking answer is "play warcraft 3" to learn the micro)

[paper shell]

as well as a select all other units key

as well as a 3rd select all key

[vapid ledge]

double tap f1 to select and center camera on hero i guess?

[light urchin]

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out a hotkey setup right now actually
I just dunno where to Put em

[paper shell]

haveing a cycle through key is also important for ones who control creeps

[light urchin]

I'm currently kind of fascinated by the idea of Visage

[paper shell]

and you'll need custom hotkeys for chen specifically

that one you can get away with select hero and all other keys

as well as a cycle too

I use 2 for select all others and 3 for select all

space for select hero and tab for cycle next

[light urchin]

What do you bind your items to, then?

[paper shell]

unironically watching a video about playing viasage is the easied way to lear

[viscid tapir]

something feels wrong to me if I don't have 1, 2, 3 be control groups 1, 2, 3

[paper shell]

items are defualt zxcvbn

with n slot also being quick cast on mouse 5 for blinks

or other items i want quick casted

[light urchin]

huh!

[paper shell]

like atos

[viscid tapir]

even if that ends up as "1: select hero, 2: select courier" for 95% of heroes

[paper shell]

F2 is my courier button

which is awkward

but its what im used to

I think I copied my key binds from a purge tutorial video

[light urchin]

My default setup looks much different from yours lmao

[viscid tapir]

the warcraft 3 joke has caused "PNET Dota Allstars inhouse" to cross my mind

[gritty sparrow]

Visage it will help to have a button to go next between your units quickly, since you will just have a few

[gritty sparrow]

Specifically this will be the important one in a right so that you can select one gargoyle, stone form, and then select the next and stone form it to keep them stunned

I will give a warning on Visage though which is something you will learn if you play "specialty" heroes. You can be countered really hard

[rough sparrow]

Mmmm dots