u need a 5th?
#DOTA 2
olive moon
paper shell
yes
glossy stratus
Very confused about these particle effects
delicate jungle
indisposed currently
reef parcel
Very confused about these particle effects
it's her bitcoin address
stark linden
Very confused about these particle effects
install cs source, wait, wrong texture error
paper shell
"Guess the hero"
glossy stratus
it's her bitcoin address
Marci, crypto bro 
reef parcel
"Guess the hero"
Broodmother
paper shell
||Pugna||
viscid tapir
"Guess the hero"
||pugna: tranquils and arcanes to sustain the team for infinite pushing||
paper shell
||pugna: tranquils and arcanes to sustain the team for infinite pushing||
||Io at home||
steel forge
steel forge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7DluLekpUk
okay I finally watched this and wow that is very impressively edgy
karmic grove
I could maybe squeeze one in
rough sparrow
Sick
You would not believe how long it took me to actually make that coffee gimme 5
karmic grove
new episode of guess the hero
viscid tapir
ogre?
||
rough sparrow
That game was so painful but at least my doom was less the problem
karmic grove
In hindsight I should have been trying to pop linkens with my undying heal rather than keeping it for actual healing
reef parcel
<@&877973728997294120> hey guys, doters?
stark linden
ttrpging currently
stark linden
would love to in like, an hour, maybe 2
reef parcel
i may check when neb is done and yeah maybe in a bit
light urchin
i could dotes, but it looks like the usual crowd is busy yee
karmic grove
I'd also be down in an hour or two
paper shell
I could also dote
reef parcel
<@&877973728997294120> doter 2 attempt 2
noble tusk
glossy stratus
o/
paper shell
i still could dote
honest meteor
Sorry just having dinner. Might be feee later tonight my time!
delicate jungle
Need to. Set up compuder.
stark linden
@reef parcel id love to join game 2!
paper shell
If people are interested in more dota I'm avaialble now
I'd always enjoy alt gamemodes too 🙂
glossy stratus
I'll probably be up later tonight, but for now I've spent a lot of time looking at a screen
(And also I should probably make myself something to eat)
paper shell
All of these things sound like healthy reasonable things to do
glossy stratus
I know, it's bizarre
paper shell
Perhpas I will check back in an hour or two then
karmic grove
I'd also be down if people are about
steel forge
I would like to dota tonight, if that is happening
paper shell
its been about an hour
steel forge
I am about
it may be worthwhile to ping the role
alright <@&877973728997294120> for those who previously indicated interest (and anyone else who just wants to dota, of course), dota?
paper shell
im still around
glossy stratus
Oop, was AFK, I'll be free in probably 20 mins? Making dinner rn
paper shell
ok
karmic grove
I should be around for there, too
glossy stratus
Okay, raising the flag anew <@&877973728997294120>
paper shell
yes yes
sharp thorn
i have no idea what this game is but i see people playing it all the time i have to check it out now
cursive wing
ok
paper shell
and it popped as you msged
cursive wing
LOL
rough sparrow
Fellas if you’re still rollin when I clock out
I am game for latenight dota
Its time for the worst fucking offlane you’ve ever seen
glossy stratus
1:16:47, to be quite correct
High ground into Sniper, Timber, Veno, Lesh, Rubick
AKA "how do our creeps survive more than 0.3 seconds"
karmic grove
glossy stratus
In post game chat we're now all realizing "wait our Wyvern could have just sieged with Arctic Burn"
???
paper shell
manic nimbus
In post game chat we're now all realizing "wait our Wyvern could have just siege...
ooof
strength blink is a weird shout for wyvern too tbh
glossy stratus
Yyyeah it's a choice
gritty sparrow
If anyone is around for Dota I could play some matches before work
steel forge
I could dota
agile finch
hnnnrg the urge to play but the commitment of playing a game of lancer (and learning how to defiance the ancients in the first place)
light urchin
?
glossy stratus
Isn't Warlock one of the best heroes right now?
Fatal Bonds is such a silly spell
cursive wing
it's like the 17th best spell
steel forge
there's a lot of spells
cursive wing
a big aoe teamfight ult that stuns for .8 seconds isnt good
yeah so 17th best is good
light urchin
fatal bonds is hilarious
cursive wing
but his heal is like 4th worst spell probably
light urchin
I don't super see the value in ranking spells tbh?
cursive wing
i think its a funny bit
glossy stratus
Oh huh, yeah, he hasn't really been seeing play
steel forge
really? I guess I don't play ranked so what would I know
anecdotally I've seen many a warlock
cursive wing
usually he's on my team when i'm a 1 and he griefs the lane by spamming bonds
glossy stratus
In pro games I mean, every hero sees play in ranked
steel forge
if I lane against fatal bonds one more time as sand king
steel forge
needless to say it makes me very sad
glossy stratus
Denying creeps prevents the imps from spawning
manic nimbus
yeah
steel forge
Denying creeps prevents the imps from spawning
it's way less that and far more the burst damage I do to myself through caustic finale + fatal bonds
glossy stratus
I don't think there's really any interaction between the two, Fatal Bonds leashes you to your own creeps
But it does make any of their wave push take a hefty chunk out of you
viscid tapir
<@&877973728997294120> Sorry I missed the earlier ping, but figure i'll put one out now in case any of the later-night crew want to play
paper shell
😄
steel forge
I could dota
viscid tapir
goodnight Jenny
steel forge
are folks still up to dota with only 3?
steel forge
(by asking this I hope to make it clear that I am, I have a real hankering for dota)
cool cool
glossy stratus
Oh I should be able to catch game 2
noble tusk
if yall end up needing one more for game 2 i could be around
whats one bad decision anyway
viscid tapir
alright, @glossy stratus @noble tusk game 2 enjoyers, game 2 can be incoming
noble tusk
oh yes
gritty sparrow
@paper shell I leave for work but I recommend Ghost Scepter/Blink, Euls and Aeon Disk in maybe that order. Also spell priority steal is Earth Spike > Nether Strike > Power Shot > Charge of Darkness. Also if you steal Sidekick from Marci it might still be bugged. You can steal it, place the buff on an ally, and the buff will last until they die
Even after you replace the spell
Oh yeah
And don't be baited by stealing from spirit breaker when he charges the first time
Once he levels it he's going to cast bulldoze every time before heading it and you don't want that
However bulldoze has a longer cooldown than charge
paper shell
yeah
gritty sparrow
So if he uses it a second time then take it
paper shell
I play plenty of sb
gritty sparrow
Ye
karmic grove
<@&877973728997294120> Anyone up for a dota game?
delicate jungle
yeah
steel forge
I could maybe dota
viscid tapir
can be around in 15-20 minutes
paper shell
I could maybe
viscid tapir
okay it was closer to 10. I'm around now
gritty sparrow
I can just spectate
paper shell
I could coach too
viscid tapir
@glossy stratus had a fun ability draft game
42,000 healing on Oshlet
and another 20k on herself
also, the enemy stack had the ability draft screen as their guild banner
oh, end screen is broken
Oshlet's 3rd spell was Divine Favor
viscid tapir
hex
glossy stratus
(Also, I appreciate the attack damage Spirit Breaker, even if perhaps you want a hero with a bit more attack speed to make the most out of Muerta ult)
karmic grove
viscid tapir
<@&877973728997294120> anyone to fill fifth?
delicate jungle
i would but i cant really talk on vc rn
glossy stratus
Mondays are TTRPG day for me I'm afraid
cursive wing
gritty sparrow
Something seems amiss here.
manic nimbus
I guess you buy manta
gritty sparrow
As I am close to level 30 rubick I think the next logical choice I must make is to level 30 morphling
paper shell
Hear me out sly, just play more rubick
gritty sparrow
True
noble tusk
play rubick into morph
steal morph
play morphling with a cool stick
its flawless
gritty sparrow
I love playing against a morph as rubick, I get to stat shift everything to strength and become the muscle wizard
vapid ledge
rubik casts fist
DS is not amused
glossy stratus
When you steal Walrus Punch
honest meteor
<@&877973728997294120> in like 30? :)
steel forge
I could dota at that time
honest meteor
honest meteor
<@&877973728997294120> another call if anyone is in. We have a 2-stack!
glossy stratus
Alas, likely no time for Dota for me tonight
paper shell
I could maybe in a bit
honest meteor
Super bizarre. My computer crashed. I was having graphical issues all night so I think I have a hardware problem. Joining in 5. Sorry about that.
gritty sparrow
Tried to play dota today and it just ended up with three games in a row where someone on the enemy team gave up at minute 5
gritty sparrow
Thats always sad
I was doing ranked so I could get up my role queue games, so, technically good for me, but I did actually want to play dota
karmic grove
Terrorblade's been interesting to play. I fear I may be moving into my illusion hero arc where I goof around farming the map with all my duders instead of actually contributing :v
I think I prefer naga siren between the two, though
manic nimbus
learning to cut waves is a real good skill there
glossy stratus
Illusion heros are also a good way to learn to cut waves, you can do so more safely than most
rough sparrow
I think I prefer naga siren between the two, though
embrace rat dota
you buy tp boots
pop into lane, Q, leave to farm jg, walk mid when the loop is done, manta, farm jungle
Naga and TB done well push 2 lanes constantly while fucking off to the jungle for stonks
glossy stratus
Naga is particularly good for rat and cutting the waves because her ult is one of the best escapes in the game
If they try to gank you just song and tp out
karmic grove
God damn just had an obscenely good dusa game
Had a rough start but I was able to sneak in farm where I could and ended up absolutely massive
I think that's my pb on gpm
karmic grove
<@&877973728997294120> anyone up to game
viscid tapir
I am
glossy stratus
I'll be free in 10-15 mins
gritty sparrow
Sure
viscid tapir
well at this point I think it' been 15 minutes, so I'll hop on
viscid tapir
it's not like I haven't given inaccurate predictions :P
paper shell
lemme know game 2 🙂
paper shell
oh dear
steel forge
thanks AD tooltip
royal jolt
paper shell
https://youtu.be/L0bcRCCg01I?t=267 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GjJraebtuc
As a music nerd, I just took this for granted
TIL https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1b30f1x/today_i_learned_you_can_scroll_through_the_log_on/
manic nimbus
Yeah it was the obvious choice with mars
steel forge
it would be kinda strange to put other music for it yeah
paper shell
Bah, I'm going to have to listen to the planets again
glossy stratus
Such a tragic fate
paper shell
I can never decide which movement I like the most
manic nimbus
get planeted
reef parcel
<@&877973728997294120> till and I are up for doter
stark linden
Doootes
glossy stratus
Ooh Dotes
noble tusk
I could dotes
reef parcel
<@&877973728997294120> looking for a fifth
delicate jungle
Yeah 1 sec
paper shell
If there's a game after lemme know
glossy stratus
@delicate jungle poke
paper shell
cursive wing
headphones broke will have them back soonish
karmic grove
Damn, another intense dusa game on the docket. Enemy team ended up with an antimage carry which was pretty spooky. Fortunately my team were crazy and super active on the map all game. I was able to farm up nice and big.
Big shoutout to the lich, who got some really nice ults off and kunkka who kept locking down am
gritty sparrow
That skywrath never got a neutral item. That rubick built a silver edge. That ember has a voodoo mask. There is a lot going on in this picture
karmic grove
The skywrath also teleported bot from mid at 5 minutes and pinged me to get out the lane. I assume the ember was working towards rev brooch at the end since there were two ghost scepters and me and kunkka had a fair bit of armour. No clue on the rubick, maybe they just really valued the break :v
cursive wing
The skywrath also teleported bot from mid at 5 minutes and pinged me to get out ...
medusa's armor only applies to the 2% of damage she takes through mana shield or when she has no mana. getting rev brooch to bypass medusa's mana shield is not very good
karmic grove
Ah, I didn't know that
glossy stratus
Brooch doesn't cost mana during Sleight now so it's not entirely unreasonable still
karmic grove
brooch seems like such a fun item. I debated getting it that game for the muerta, but I figured the effective self damage would be too much, that and antimage was the bigger threat anyway. I dunno if it triggers on attacks during windrunner's ult but if it doesn't it could potentially be a really good pickup just for the potential of negating enemy armour
ah, it does, that's a shame
glossy stratus
Huh, I wonder if before the patch level 25 Dusa just removed all her mana in one attack
glossy stratus
Only what, 2k EHP?
paper shell
🤔 Storm spirit
paper shell
It was ||me giving terrorblade support a try, it went pretty well||
||You're missing the dagon||
karmic grove
ah damn you're right
Y'know, now that I think about it, sunder into dagon doesn't seem that bad 
glossy stratus
@viscid tapir look at what you've done, you've corrupted the newbie
glossy stratus
It was ||me giving terrorblade support a try, it went pretty well||
I wonder if it would be worth getting ||a Mage Slayer, between your meta attack range and some illusion micro you can apply it quite well||
karmic grove
Potentially not bad, I was actually maxing meta last for that build, only grabbing a value point at level 2 for kills in the lane. I mostly kept out of aa range in fights and just spammed reflection, then either juiced up a core with a fresh healthbar if I was high on health or removed an enemy core's healthbar if I was low
viscid tapir
<@203733729577926656> look at what you've done, you've corrupted the newbie
corrupted, or enlightened?
karmic grove
enlightened 
glossy stratus
TIL Luna glaives can bounce to outposts
gritty sparrow
There is only so much I can blame Tom when I play Rubick in front of people
Which is never a good idea
paper shell
Any interest in some dota?
steel forge
I'd be down
glossy stratus
I could Dote
delicate jungle
any more? id rather just watch rn
viscid tapir
<@&877973728997294120> anyone to be a fifth?
viscid tapir
I got nothing tomorrow, so I'm up for more
paper shell
👀 if only we had enough for the full in house ability draft games (or regular games)
olive moon
ping me if theres inhouse
manic nimbus
throw me a ping for next game then
cursive wing
Ah, I didn't know that
Is why butterfly is so good in Medusa: evasion is defensive layer which favorably interacts with mana shield
viscid tapir
cursive wing
i think a big part of his marketing plan for his new game is to just make a ton of these carry as support videos and then plug it in them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PlwmnrAkGc
paper shell
Yeah probably
manic nimbus
SF support does have a decent logic to it
reef parcel
<@&877973728997294120> hey guys, me + tom + till wanna dotes
steel forge
I could dota since boats seem to be wrapping up
paper shell
I sadly don't have enough time
glossy stratus
I can dotes
stark linden
Hi hi
glossy stratus
I can also wait for game 2 since we have 6
And I have some stuff I should try to take care of
karmic grove
I'd be down for game 2 if you're full
viscid tapir
<@&877973728997294120> got 2 spaces open if anyone would like to join
paper shell
if you play a game I might be avaailavle for the nesxt one
gritty sparrow
Sure
glossy stratus
if you play a game I might be avaailavle for the nesxt one
These are some impressive typos
gritty sparrow
I just woke up so my ability to parse what is happening is debatable
paper shell
These are some impressive typos
see game im palying atm for explanation
viscid tapir
if you play a game I might be avaailavle for the nesxt one
we have played a game, are you avaailavle for the nesxt one?
glossy stratus
Oh perfect
gritty sparrow
Oh yeah, when I mentioned earlier about the voice line I got from my announcer
It was this
"Single draft? In this modern age how is such cruelty permitted to exist?"
karmic grove
lol
glossy stratus
<@&877973728997294120> anyone for an afternoon Dota?
olive moon
I'll be on in 10ish mins
glossy stratus
I'm good to wait 10ish mins, hopefully get a 4th and 5th as well
paper shell
I've spent some time re-working my profile and mini profile
paper shell
And I think Ive made my mini look like I'm lvl 30 in the last hero I played
reef parcel
Lying in bed being 33
glossy stratus
The eternal conflict of "want to do stuff" and "bed cosy"
glossy stratus
I got up an entire *checks clock* two hours ago!
reef parcel
In my defense, all my partners are away around now
They come back later
Why exist in the lonely hours
glossy stratus
Because bed cosy
stark linden
Lying in bed being 33
sorry but youre 34 by eu time
vapid ledge
it's winged's bday?
reef parcel
I'm 32 in my time zone, I was born in 1991
stark linden
!
near plank
its past midnight here
stark linden
listen, you said you were 33 in your bed
near plank
hbd nerd
stark linden
i just extrapolated from there
glossy stratus
! happy birthday!
paper shell
Too bad Jenny can't play since its also past her bedtime
glossy stratus
Don't age me an extra year
Perhaps EU time is just a year ahead
paper shell
This makes sense to me
gritty sparrow
Can't believe Winged is 35 smh
glossy stratus
On the one hand, , on the other hand, TTRPG game, 😌
paper shell
Can you imagine being apart of a TTRPG community? not me
stark linden
im playing the dark souls of 5e games
||pathfinder 2||
glossy stratus
@reef parcel we have 3, not sure if you want to join without 5
gritty sparrow
I could join
reef parcel
With sly is that 4
glossy stratus
It might be, Emily is checking if she has time for a game
Alas, no Emily for game 1
paper shell
Yeah sadly we took to long to start and my dinner will be ready in about 20 mins
glossy stratus
@reef parcel we have acquired a Punch, bringing us back up to 4
paper shell
Meaning a 5th is needed
cursive wing
I'm going to bed good luck finding
glossy stratus
Slbep well!
reef parcel
Ah sorry I fell asleep
stark linden
glossy stratus
Ah sorry I fell asleep
All good, that's a good way to spend a Sunday
delicate jungle
<@&877973728997294120> anyone want to dota?
cursive wing
loot from queue ranked at 4am
manic nimbus
loot from queue ranked at 4am
they did what they had to do to prevent the pos3 mirana
o7
cursive wing
apparently they picked mirana because of the name
i picked cm for easy root arrot ganks
but when i said i'm coming in to root them for easy arrow gank
they just sort of positioned so that they could never arrow on my root
so like the mirana griefed the offlaner as a bit
and then the offlaner actually griefed
and im just stuck in this game
manic nimbus
ouch
gritty sparrow
This is why I sometimes take the chaos of solo all pick over the guaranteed role of doing a ranked match
So many people with hyper specific grievances in solo ranked
cursive wing
to be fair i also think that people should not pick support mirana in pubs unless they very very very consistently perform well
gritty sparrow
Right of course, p1 Mirana clearly
cursive wing
they simply should not pick her
in other news, i have discovered a soul duplicaiton bug
if there are multiple overlapping instances of the calling and a hero dies inside of more than one of them then each one they die inside of will have a ghost added
paper shell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4fxheuNxkY
I always like his tierlist videos cause he talks about why each hero is where
karmic grove
<@&877973728997294120> anyone up to dote?
olive moon
yeah
paper shell
karmic grove
emilyba spirit
steel forge
I could dota
viscid tapir
<a:thinking:425125498193182732>
is this a "yes"?
paper shell
hmm i guess it looks like you need a 5th huh
viscid tapir
yep :P
steel forge
join ussss
glossy stratus
I can hopefully join game 3
gritty sparrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4fxheuNxkY
I always like his tierlist videos c...
I like Jenkins cause he keeps putting Morphling up there on his offlane tier lists as "good times tier" and then I tab into his stream and he is feeding on p3 morphling
glossy stratus
Oddly, the RTC server for Activity 2 specifically has stopped working for me
gritty sparrow
I like Jenkins cause he keeps putting Morphling up there on his offlane tier lis...
Also, this is going to be very funny if Jenkins does another tierlist video right before a major patch
This will only come true if Crownfall comes out in the next few days like some people are thinking
But it'll make it like the third time he's done this now
paper shell
We can only hope hes the patch prophet we deserve
cursive wing
patch within a week after the tournament would be sweet
viscid tapir
watchign this pro dota game become the wizard shotgun comic
"where'd I leave my divine rapier? eh, I'll just buy another"
light urchin
lmao?
karmic grove
ah, the lategame
rough sparrow
"where'd I leave my divine rapier? eh, I'll just buy another"
had a 3hr game once where 4 rapiers ended up on a lifestealer
he paid for none of them
I have never seen an ember spirit fumble the bag harder
gritty sparrow
support tiny btw
The best part is watching the casters mental degrade over the course of the hour and a half long games
steel forge
huh, this dota labs thing is pretty interesting
I almost wish I could just have the overlay map stay on at all times
paper shell
I was like dota labs? Then realized I'm waiting on my game to updae and its probably related to that
glossy stratus
Is this featured stuff a Dota+ thing, or...?
paper shell
Is this featured stuff a Dota+ thing, or...?
Yeah I think so
karmic grove
lol my featured stuff is interesting
my featured hero is not jugg or medusa like I expected, it's jakiro, and my featured role is hard support :v
viscid tapir
Dota+ updates, as well as Dota Labs (which are options available for everyone): https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/570/view/4169840594114934858
and the Between the Lanes blog: https://www.dota2.com/newsentry/4115798034511159059
glossy stratus
my featured hero is not jugg or medusa like I expected, it's jakiro, and my feat...
I'm guessing it features whichever hero and role earn you the most shards, and since that's just based on performance vs other people of your skill in that role, it doesn't really surprise me you got hard support featured - It's IMO a harder position to learn than core
You're solid at 1 and 5, most people of your experience level are okay at 1 and bad at 5
So the delta's bigger
karmic grove
That could be the case, yeah
Still need to improve on my warding, I'm always a bit shit at that
rough sparrow
Still need to improve on my warding, I'm always a bit shit at that
warding dumber than it sounds, usually just mark an intersection and you're set
remembering to ward consistently and repeatedly is the harder part
keeping an eye out for when and where people sit when they deward is the even harder part
glossy stratus
I used my 7-day Dota+ pass to see the overview thingy, apparently I have more than 4x as many denies as the average
karmic grove
lol nice
glossy stratus
Also, interestingly, my lane winrate on my featured hero (Centaur) and role (offlane) are both 5% below my overall lane winrate, but my actual win-winrate is unsurprisingly significantly higher than overall
Clearly this means I should get worse at laning elsewhere
(Or perhaps it means I teleport out of offlane to help with fights earlier than other lanes, but that's boring)
karmic grove
I should maybe try giving mid another crack again when we play together too (mid in pubs is always taken), get a bit more experience on the role
glossy stratus
Mid is fun, though I would definitely recommend making sure you're quite familiar with the attack animation of whoever you run mid
It's the lane that tests pure lane mechanics the most
paper shell
Yeah ngl practicing mid against bots is something to do
and if you're not getting like almost every last hit then you gotta work on it
Or at the very least knowing how to secure creeps etc
The other big thing I always stress for people is rune control.
at the very least telling your team that the enemy hero got a rune can be very helpful
glossy stratus
Latest patch nerfed the Kobold Foreman challenge
karmic grove
what's the kobold foreman challenge
glossy stratus
It used to be the lowest-damage unit in the game by quite a bit, you would go practice last hitting with it (helm of the dom to get control)
Also recommended to look up a video of someone playing your hero mid, some of the skill usage is a bit unintuitive if you're used to sidelanes
E.g. windrun as a major harass tool, DK stun to secure ranged creep
In general ranged creeps are a lot more significant in mid lane, because so many matchups become entirely untenable if they hit 6 before you
karmic grove
void spirit looks like a fun option, I'll probably go practice lasthitting with him for it
glossy stratus
Void Spirit's a good one, universal + melee also means he's one of the best last hitters in mid, which is nice
(Melee for quelling blade + damage block)
He's also just a lot of fun to play, you can really bully people by abusing the barrier from Resonant Pulse, and he's a spirit, with all that entails
karmic grove
yeah, the zoop attack ult looks very cool
glossy stratus
It's so satisfying
Zoop into 5, silence them, attack, remnant, attack, silence, puddle, zoop out leaving behind a dead support or two
Void also has bonus attack range I think which is just always nice
karmic grove
Yeah, that always feels good
gritty sparrow
I feel like my experience with mid would be improved in a world without rune roulette
glossy stratus
Yyyyyep.
At least Water runes have helped with that a lot
No more losing the game at minute 2 because the opponent got a DD and a bottle refill
But I really wish it displayed what rune was going to spawn where a minute in advance, so you could use tactics instead of luck
Make it a miniobjective
gritty sparrow
That could help a good bit, and could encourage more rotating from a support
viscid tapir
realizing that the dota labs "only target allies" is actually kind of huge for me playing DK of all heroes
it means I can just target breathe fire in a direction without accidentally hitting an enemy creep
glossy stratus
Wait, what? I thought the labs were all just UI things, they affect the behavior of spells?
viscid tapir
it changes what the spell targets
so if it's only looking for friendly targets, it won't snap onto creeps
meaning I have better control of the cone
viscid tapir
Wait, what? I thought the labs were all just UI things, they affect the behavior...
the labs options:
the big map doesn't seem that useful to me
I can see high-visibility health bar being useful
(those are my keybindings in there, by default they're all empty and unchecked)
glossy stratus
so if it's only looking for friendly targets, it won't snap onto creeps
ohhh I see
viscid tapir
there have 100% been cases where I want to finagle the Breathe Fire cone but it snaps onto a creep and I miss what I wanted
glossy stratus
The high vis bar seems worth trying, I might use the map too
glossy stratus
there have 100% been cases where I want to finagle the Breathe Fire cone but it ...
Yeah makes sense, same for the point-targeted stuns and gush maybe
karmic grove
did a bit of lasthit practice with void spirit and clinkz, worst comes to worst I'll at least have another option in my carry pool
glossy stratus
I could see getting in the habit of flickering the map overlay every couple seconds being more convenient for laning than having to check the corner of the screen
Don't have to look as far away from the creeps
karmic grove
Figure they're decent options for trying out mid with though because void is universal and melee, and clinkz gets a guaranteed cs with his skeleton summon
viscid tapir
also attack-moving that doesn't snap to a nearby creep
glossy stratus
Doesn't that mean you can't deny?
viscid tapir
yeah
glossy stratus
I suppose it's a modifier so it just gives you the option
viscid tapir
but like, my use case is a modifier while I'm moving through the trees
glossy stratus
Makes sense
For that matter, normal move interact friendly only could be super helpful for getting runes/bodyblocking
Not accidentally attacking instead
viscid tapir
yeah
glossy stratus
Non-hero is also nice vs healing ward
glossy stratus
Figure they're decent options for trying out mid with though because void is uni...
I think Clinkz isn't super common mid, since he's pretty easy to harass out and also struggles with last hitting
And there's less room to use invis
paper shell
Clinkz is a carry from mid style hero imo
viscid tapir
perfect for Oshlet then
glossy stratus
Yeah, very SF-esque
paper shell
Sf has some more middy like things going for him still
I'd akin it to like medusa mid
glossy stratus
SF is a lot stronger in lane, yeah
paper shell
Natural wave clear/push
glossy stratus
But they're kind of similar in that they're pretty active carry-ish mids
viscid tapir
high-visibility health bar in an unrealistic scenario
karmic grove
lmaoo
glossy stratus
I think a Clinkz wants to move around a lot more than a Dusa or Sniper
viscid tapir
should probably take a screenshot that has other ally healthbars
glossy stratus
Yeah lol
karmic grove
should probably take a screenshot that has other ally healthbars
naga siren with tb support :v
reef parcel
@viscid tapir with the maximap, how do you click on the minimap to zoom your camera somewhere?
viscid tapir
should probably take a screenshot that has other ally healthbars
I don't think you can click on the maximap
glossy stratus
I don't see the high-vis aspect, but maybe that's because you control them all? Does it look different in a bot game?
glossy stratus
hold on... is there a ward count ceiling for banana?
No, but limited lifespan plus cooldown puts a soft ceiling on it
glossy stratus
there's a big white box outside my abbadon
Ohhh
viscid tapir
not that high visibility
also as the PL shot probably shows, it can still get cluttered over
glossy stratus
Okay yeah that's not huge but makes it stand out a bit more
glossy stratus
also as the PL shot probably shows, it can still get cluttered over
Would be nice if it were always on top
viscid tapir
yeah
I have no idea if there's a place to send feedback
beyond just posting on the subreddit
the dreamleague panel is constantly referring to sniper as Kardel
and talking about a theoretical Tank Kardel build
gritty sparrow
W-what
glossy stratus
Hmm, 2.0 str gain, 3.2 agi gain, I don't actually hate it?
viscid tapir
I do, but that's beecause I hate sniper
glossy stratus
Even with normal builds he's surprisingly good at facetanking other carries
glossy stratus
I do, but that's beecause I hate sniper
Okay fair
What's the build, Mjollnir/Mage Slayer/Satanic?
glossy stratus
Str blink/Shiva's is a go
karmic grove
<@&877973728997294120> anyone up to dote?
glossy stratus
No dote for me for an hour or so
idle pendant
<@&877973728997294120> anyone up to dote?
you're probably already in game or doing something else by this point, but if you're okay with turbo, i'm down
karmic grove
Not a huge fan of turbo, busy torturing myself with some medical stuff anyway :v
idle pendant
gotcha!
olive moon
ping me if theres dota
karmic grove
Ok, cursory 1ish hour wait <@&877973728997294120> ping, seeing if more peeps are about
viscid tapir
i'm about!
glossy stratus
I can be on in 10 mins
viscid tapir
about to be about more likely
glossy stratus
(And if you ping in 10 mins, I'll be free in 1 min, then 6 seconds...)
paper shell
Me and dom could play
cursive wing
I'm going to bed
delicate jungle
ping me if you need a fifth
glossy stratus
I think we have 5
delicate jungle
ok
paper shell
@steel forge https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/s/jxjkwzPmoT
steel forge
haha holy shit lmao
excellent
I'll have to remember that actually if I get glimpsed
paper shell
Timber chain is the reason I love timber so much.
Actually that’s a lie the whole hero is awesome
steel forge
timber's great
glossy stratus
His new aghs is just silly
Yes, I would like to gain 475 hp/s on my already-immortal hero, then explode their entire team
gritty sparrow
Timber is great, I wish I was good at him
pearl chasm
So many offlane heroes are great fun
paper shell
any interest in a cheeky dota game?
paper shell
just hoping
viscid tapir
but now, I am At Keyboard in the menu
glossy stratus
Oh, sure, give me a min
karmic grove
I could slide in
viscid tapir
update: I've been in the menu long enough that my game client is out of date
viscid tapir
@glossy stratus ability draft post-game for your enjoyment
no tether so I didn't quite have Oshlet's unlimited heal ability
but the sustain was amazing in lane at least
and press the attack came in pretty handy
glossy stratus
I see they fell for the classic AD blunder of "oops all cores"
Shame on you for no Holy Locket for maximal heal
gritty sparrow
The lesson here is matching your hero to the actual statline you are suited for is recommended
Also fuck Huskar, apparently
Dude got put in the dumpster
paper shell
I see sly got fury swipes and pa crit on one of the best stat gain bodies ranged bodies
Oh wait that’s over power
Still looks like a very strong prophet build
glossy stratus
I'm just amused by poor Jugg's teammates denying him
gritty sparrow
And yeah I was talking about how my stat line is absurd
glossy stratus
Jugg with Duel or Ursa ult would be even more terrifying
noble tusk
fountain hook 2
light urchin
lmao
cursive wing
https://www.reddit.com/link/1b9jlum/video/ghmn81i4q2nc1/player?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=DotA2&utm_content=t3_1b9jlum THERE IS A FOUNTAIN HOOK BUG IN THE GAME!!!
OH ALREADY POSTED
glossy stratus
Tbf so was the old fountain hook and that didn't stop Dendi
(I haven't watched this one yet though so idk how it compares)
paper shell
You need batrider Meurta aghs and io
karmic grove
ok I play muerta, you play io, we just need some batrider and we can pull this off
glossy stratus
I think Grandar plays bat
I could probably run him as well
Judging by that combination, I'm guessing it's something like "Muerta Parting Shots Bat, Io Relocates out Bat's body, Bat's soul Lassos someone, when the Parting Shot ends the target comes with"?
karmic grove
If it's muerta aghs then I assume there's some kind of goofy interaction with the ghost that's spawned from that?
oh lol yeah, that's quite cool
glossy stratus
I haven't actually seen the video yet that was just my guess as to how it works
Since I think the ghost just nyooms back, so no Lasso snap
manic nimbus
I can do bat
karmic grove
I actually haven't built aghs on muerta before so it'll be fun giving it a shot.
karmic grove
Anyone up for dota in an hour/30minutes-ish? finishing some other stuff off. I'll throw out an actual ping then
glossy stratus
I'll probably not be free until a while later
paper shell
I could maybe
karmic grove
Ok <@&877973728997294120>
paper shell
I'm around
cursive wing
hi
i just finished playing minecraft in an archipelago
also i have working headphones
karmic grove
powerful
cursive wing
yeah
paper shell
Exciting too
cursive wing
i think i want to simply go to bed now actually
unfortunately i will not bring this power to lane
karmic grove
fair does
honest meteor
oh no I missed dota lol
karmic grove
We haven't actually done any yet :v didn't have many peeps
honest meteor
Wait, really? Okay, well I'm in. Wanna go with a <5 stack?
Jumping in VC and maybe we can cobble something together?
karmic grove
I'll throw out another <@&877973728997294120> ping
karmic grove
just finishing off a helldive
viscid tapir
I can be around
noble tusk
Ditto
honest meteor
I'm feeling I got 2 or 3 in me so this works out. 😤
btw i pr'd a deadlift so i still have gym brain so i'm sorry in advance lol.
viscid tapir
be around in 5
pearl chasm
Available in 5 as well, my last game ended poorly and taking the dog out is a cleanse.
honest meteor
So I think it's me, Oshlet, Tom, debeaunair, and... peaches? That's a five stack.
Power of friendship. ⭐
steel forge
I'll throw out another <@&877973728997294120> ping
I'd be around for game 2 I think
steel forge
a large amount
paper shell
That would be very fun
noble tusk
whassat
pearl chasm
I'd enjoy that
noble tusk
like a full draft and such
viscid tapir
yeah
noble tusk
oh hoh yeah id be down
paper shell
How close are we?
If I recall AAAAAAAAALaan is very interested in sucah a thing perhaps a direct ping could get them involved
vapid ledge
i mean if we're only one off, i can join, just dunno if that screws up any balance wrt player experience (are we actually only one off?)
paper shell
I don’t think player experience matters tooo much
vapid ledge
i'm roughly 10 minutes from finishing the video essay i want to finish, if people can wait (assuming i'm counted towards the participant list)
vapid ledge
seems to be the case
viscid tapir
I think Steve said this was his last game too
honest meteor
false.
viscid tapir
@steel forge you up for an in-house?
<@&877973728997294120> Anyone up to be 10th player for an in-house Captain's Mode?
viscid tapir
Tron has maybe woken up
willow topaz
pretty much the exact same as sly yea, I shouldn't have started typing >_<
gritty sparrow
Mostly my moba experience with inhouses has never been amazing
With how much experience variance there tends to be
viscid tapir
@glossy stratus Team 2 ready?
paper shell
You mean team winner
glossy stratus
Pull the lever, Tom!
paper shell
and yeah We're good
viscid tapir
good luck have fun!
noble tusk
gl hf 
viscid tapir
15:30
"yeah I deserve that"
glossy stratus
It's just fair to return the favour after my greedy dive mid
viscid tapir
90 minutes: victory
glossy stratus
paper shell
paper shell
Pos 1 probably isn't where you want to learn the hero either
gritty sparrow
I remember spectating and thinking "Why doesn't Emily have a t5?" Then saw what you picked
karmic grove
That said those were some really good hooks
paper shell
I remember spectating and thinking "Why doesn't Emily have a t5?" Then saw what ...
I misclicked
gritty sparrow
lol
paper shell
D:
paper shell
I wanted apex and clicked unwavering condition
gritty sparrow
And the pudge would have already unpersoned the sniper
paper shell
That game set 2 new records for me. Most Experience and Most Denies
Which is funny because I think the denies came from cog denies
glossy stratus
Huh, where do you see your records?
cursive wing
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/87867116/records this is where i see mine
looks like my most kills was in here
and my most assists is a relic of the past https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/6892726154
glossy stratus
Oh lol, almost all my records are from 8-9 years ago, except most gold and exp, which were that game, and most healing and building damage, which were that jugg game last week
karmic grove
congrats on the creep hitting though goddamn
olive moon
this 1 loss has stolen all my records
glossy stratus
That's more than twice my last hits record
(Also on Luna)
Definitely a classic Luna loss though, never the hero you want to go 60+ minutes on
(TBH even 40+ mins is pretty concerning)
karmic grove
Nah at 40+ you can start farming moonshards for the rest of your team
glossy stratus
At least nowadays she does have Blessing + Refresher to buy
Makes her fall off a bit later
karmic grove
I've only gotten the chance to use the aghs once thanks to a friendly alchemist, but it feels really solid
Wondering if there's some potential for a build that grabs it early to help pressure. Maybe even (god forbid) soft support luna
glossy stratus
Definitely not in support, Lucent Beam is fine but definitely not good enough to be viable
But getting aghs earlier isn't unreasonable
I think there was a bit where it was even meta
karmic grove
Lucent beam also ties into how effective your ult is, so a pos4 luna maxing it has the potential to hit really hard in those early midgame fights where she's level 6-7
Don't mind me I'm just trying to convince myself to grief 😎
glossy stratus
The issue is you're very exp hungry and outside Eclipse Lucent Beam is all you get
You could just take someone else like Phoenix with a similarly-strong ult and much better skills
Aghs with the ministun talent at 25 is particularly fun
cursive wing
The issue is you're very exp hungry and outside Eclipse Lucent Beam is *all* you...
the aura is not very bad
glossy stratus
It's pretty bad for your allies nowadays
3 damage is frankly pathetic
I suppose it goes up to 9 at level 4 if you skip Glaives, but the first point in Glaives is excellent value
gritty sparrow
Funnily enough I had a pos5 Luna in my game the other day. She was on the enemy team and did about what is being mentioned
Maxed lucent beams and went aghs
It took her 23 minutes to get it cause without damage she sucks at farming and aghs is an expensive item with no good components
That and lucent blessing is, I would say, the worst level 1 spell in the game
Largely she died horribly on cooldown
karmic grove
oof
Maybe core, then. MoM for farming, then aghs, probably bkb after and maybe yasha&kaya and khanda to round it out. It's not that different from her regular build, although going for aghs with your agi blade rather than yasha is gonna be a bit of pain
gritty sparrow
If you are core I might recommend still rushing aghs first if just because your aghs will drop off in value sharply soon when it stops 100 to 0ing people or someone just buys a blademail and kills you instantly
karmic grove
That said a normal rightclick build is probably better in most situations. Maybe if you're dealing with a big armour lineup
its less of an issue once you pick up bkb since you're immune to the reflected damage during it. As long as your bkbing and ulting at the same time it should be ok
glossy stratus
I mean, Aghs Eclipse remains pretty great throughout basically the whole game, I don't think you need to rush it
An Aghs rush is probably solid but it's also something you can just slot into a normal build, it's not something that takes a lot of investment to build around
Probably best in a game where you have something like Mars arena or Black Hole
The 100-to-0 is nice but it turns out dropping 7500 damage across their team will win the fight even spread out
glossy stratus
My favorite healing spell, Mars
viscid tapir
that's probably because Lark was playing BH, and they only healed themself with tangoes
light urchin
ohhh okay I was looking at this wrong then
viscid tapir
was this ability draft lark? or some weird bug
gritty sparrow
The damage breakdown has been borked for months
So I would guess it's being weird more than anything
glossy stratus
Ability Draft, unclear whether accurate or not
BH had Disruption and Dark Portrait, I (Mars) had a Vlads, so they definitely got some healing from that
3.5k is om the high end for Vlads aura healing though especially since it was only up when they had illus
cursive wing
cursive wing
That and lucent blessing is, I would say, the worst level 1 spell in the game
cm aura is up there
cursive wing
actually it's earthshaker's passive
because it does nothing
lunar blessing is so bad though
glossy stratus
actually it's earthshaker's passive
OD's passive too, since it's not an aura any more
manic nimbus
there is an arena healing thing right? a talent or something
viscid tapir
oh yeah
glossy stratus
Yeah, it's I think +180hp/s
reef parcel
<@&877973728997294120> looking for a fifth
glossy stratus
Ooh
steel forge
I could dota
delicate jungle
:(
steel forge
lmao
reef parcel
i'm sorry haha
glossy stratus
Oh, someone else can hop in, I can Neb and join game 2
glossy stratus
I had a secret, I was warned that Tom had a Dota ping
reef parcel
okay being selfish, would love to do a veteran stack and grab lark. if lark is busy I'm happy to grab tron as chronologically right after
lol
delicate jungle
thats ok!
steel forge
that's 100% cool with me
reef parcel
god I've been playing so many games these days it's been a while since I've done dota
steel forge
I probably won't be able to do a game two though, so I wish who(whom?)ever does a good game (and the rest of the stack of course)
reef parcel
been doing gtfo with similar stacks
karmic grove
I might spectate, though
cursive wing
gaming
paper shell
I could be around for a game 2
paper shell
Or whenever theres a slot I guess
viscid tapir
Or whenever theres a slot I guess
there''s a slot now
paper shell
😮
viscid tapir
wait hold on
paper shell
😦
viscid tapir
hold on hold on
glossy stratus
I'm also happy to sit one out
viscid tapir
the pattern of this conversation:
paper shell
karmic grove
ta pl game from a couple days ago
viscid tapir
or in the party if you want to judge from within
paper shell
I'll take it
karmic grove
lmaooo
glossy stratus
sec adjusting my headphones lost my audio
paper shell
viscid tapir
the Witch Doctor from last game's profile
<@&877973728997294120> anyone to be a 5th?
noble tusk
yus
glossy stratus
paper shell
paper shell
karmic grove
praise the throw
karmic grove
yup
light urchin
praise the throw
o-oh
glossy stratus
I should rewatch that teamfight to see how exactly it went so wrong for them
It's one thing to lose a high ground push fight, it's another to wipe five for zero
(I suspect a large part of the answer is Oshlet's agriculture ceaseth)
karmic grove
I should rewatch that teamfight to see how exactly it went *so wrong* for them
Taking a look myself, tide did a quite good blink engage, stunned 3 people except the rest of his team were too far back to capitalise. Pudge blinked in after, missed his hook and got most of his bkb kited. He eventually grabbed emily's lina but then she go force staffed out by tom's hoodwink.
The tide, pudge and lifestealer switched focus to you and while that was happening lina got a 3 man stun on them and beau's techies threw a bunch of bombs at them.
Meanwhile warlock and razor jumped on me, razor euls linked me but when I dropped down I was able to manta ult and spray a bunch of damage boosted arrows on them. My ult only just came off cooldown after the euls ceased, which was pretty clutch.
glossy stratus
Ah, yep, the combination of both Tide and Pudge's intiations failing to remove one of our fragile damage dealers plus it being late enough in the game that a Eul's link isn't enough to make you ineffective would definitely do it
Focusing a Centaur while Lina and Techies do their thing never helps either
That was apparently a very even game lanewise
karmic grove
Weird that tide is marked as the support, I'm pretty sure he was farming in lane
paper shell
When I landed the 3 man stun, I was like OH we can win this fight ez
karmic grove
It was a pretty nasty stun
paper shell
turns out high ground is hard
As a stack I think we're ok at it compared to a lot of other people who play
paper shell
It was a pretty nasty stun
same value as the ravage except our techies was close enough to follow up
glossy stratus
And it gives Fiery Soul stacks!
karmic grove
The other engage might also have been delayed because I think I still had my mantas up front shooting at their team. Might have pinged pudge with em
glossy stratus
The classic Blink cancel tragedy
Hm, Dusa 25 talent with Mage Slayer seems mean, but not sure if it's mean enough to be worth the slot
Depends on the matchup I suppose
karmic grove
could be quite good tbh. Usually I'll go mkb or Daedalus for my damage slot, but mageslayer could have potential into heavy caster lineups
Maybe I'll try it if I end up in a game with a no evade enemy carry
glossy stratus
I'm thinking into a team of like, Bristle + Lesh + some random carry
Could really give them a sad
karmic grove
It's also a form of defence that works with mana barrier, since you're reducing the spell damage at the source
noble tusk
gods yeah you could ruin lesh
glossy stratus
Btw Osh do you ever go Mjollnir on Dusa? I'm a big fan, an early Maelstrom helps your farm speed a fair bit, it scales well and is simply silly at 25, and the active is, it turns out, kind of absurd when you're the tankiest hero in the game
rough sparrow
I like it on stuff like going into chen/ench/lycan/prophet
Its kind of funky timings on dusa where its a cheaper faster worse farming item and then goofy as shit past 25
karmic grove
Btw Osh do you ever go Mjollnir on Dusa? I'm a big fan, an early Maelstrom helps...
I don't usually need it but I go quite greedy with my skill order
rough sparrow
I will say actually its fucking hilarious against PL for dusa
karmic grove
1/3/1 (1/3/2 technically, since you get mana shield at base) and then maxing split shot before getting a point in ult
rough sparrow
Helps swing that matchup a lot
karmic grove
I haven't actually fought a pl yet as dusa, could be something to consider
glossy stratus
The active is pretty great against anyone who does lots of damage ticks - the reason it came to mind is that Pudge
Demolishes PL too even before 25
honest meteor
Could I interest yall in some <@&877973728997294120> in 15 minutes? 👀
paper shell
Yeah I could
glossy stratus
Alas, no Dotes for me
karmic grove
Yeah I could hop in
cursive wing
yes
honest meteor
I'm in chat if y'all are ready @karmic grove @cursive wing @paper shell - but this is just a 4 stack if you're willing to risk it 👀
viscid tapir
nvm I have been pulled to other dota
paper shell
wow ok tom
And I was going to give you a chance at TA mid again
This stack is better than yours anyways
karmic grove
I've got to find a way to feed you a rampage, I feel bad
honest meteor
@karmic grove https://youtu.be/m0WFA6zswnY?si=XfdoSMeM-vKVTTdS
viscid tapir
inb4 our 5 stack queues into you all
viscid tapir
yes
paper shell
Realistically we'd need a 5th to have that happen
honest meteor
There was a non-zero chance, and I'll take those odds in Dota.
olive moon
ping me if there's space in next game
cursive wing
@olive moon
honest meteor
ping me if there's space in next game
still good?
i lost everyon'es voice for some reason and sound
There's a secret key in Windows to mute your entire system - and freak you out in the process FYI.
restarting comp
viscid tapir
<@&877973728997294120> round 2, dota 2
paper shell
I wrangled tom
karmic grove
round 2?!
paper shell
from the grasps of the "cool" stack
glossy stratus
Tom: No longer cool
glossy stratus
Well that's tragic news for Tom then
For he must remain uncool
(Assuming Tom inherits the coolness of the stack)
(Sadly, no Dotes on Monday evenings for me)
paper shell
oh dear
gritty sparrow
I've been being a piece of shit and picking TB support recently
And I know this isn't the reason he's being picked, and it's not what makes him a good p4 atm
But wow holy shit I love being a support with an illusion to send out
Don't need to face check that high ground just make my clone do it.
And unlike playing Shadow Demon to do that the rest of his kit is actually fun
After the 5th clone I send into their triangle they also just stopped spending their energy trying to kill it and just let me be a voyeur on them
They're just doing their camps and I am nearby going
👁️ 👄 👁️
karmic grove
Nice lol, tb supp is a lot of fun
gritty sparrow
It also fulfills my need to do something when not actively fighting. I get bored without some hero specific minigame
Rubick I have spellsteals, techies I get to set up funny minefields, illusion heroes when I don't strictly need to farm have funny applications to do to bide my time
karmic grove
I'm horribly carrybrained so if I'm not sure what to do as a support I'll normally just default to eating neutral camps :v