DOTA 2

[reef parcel]

unless you mean you currently have 3

oshlet + emily + lark?

[paper shell]

I think we have 4? idrk

[glossy stratus]

I'm definitely content to wait until game 2

Gives me time to lounge

[delicate jungle]

moi

wed be 5

[reef parcel]

ah i'll pass then, i'm just chilling with my guy. if he wants to play without me maybe, i'll ask him

[gritty sparrow]

I could join

[reef parcel]

oh then you guys have fun

i'll maybe join game 2

[glossy stratus]

The most important addition of the patch

[gritty sparrow]

@delicate jungle A random, good person to follow for p1 advice if you want to look more into it is BSJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayvDUNkQYno

He plays Wraith King in this

BSJ is a p1 main that is at a pro level and largely makes educational stuff

A lot of his stuff is also things like "here is a match I am about to play and I will explain every action and why as I go"

Unfortunately this specific video is before the New Frontiers update that expanded the map

[cursive wing]

BANWAVE!

there was a really really popular cheating program called overplus and everyone using it has been banned

[cursive wing]

it's interesting how if you never grief then there's 5 enemies who might grief and 4 allies who might grief, so it ends up helping you long term in theory

but for cheating/smurfing it's 4 allies and 5 enemies so it hurts legit players on average more than griefing

[delicate jungle]

Primal beast https://fixupx.com/ganglemanva/status/1752353475575595475?s=46

[lucid sluice]

[karmic grove]

<@&877973728997294120> Anyone about for a game nowish or laterish?

[paper shell]

Laterish perhaps

[delicate jungle]

yeh im down

[glossy stratus]

I'll probably be down in about an hour

[karmic grove]

<@&877973728997294120> Repinging, as it is now about an hour

[delicate jungle]

ye

[paper shell]

im around

[glossy stratus]

Oop I can be on in a minute

[karmic grove]

I'll sit in vc for a bit, see if we can maybe shoot for a 5th

[gritty sparrow]

I am doing lancer or I would join. Minor complaint, almost every game I played yesterday rubick was banned

[paper shell]

[viscid tapir]

@lethal harbor

[glossy stratus]

Why does this keep happening?!

(These weren't even new players we were playing against!)

[karmic grove]

Good games tonight, some very entertaining deathballing

[glossy stratus]

Here's that pro Dota game that had something that's basically a jungler in it I mentioned the other day: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2054760217?t=6h28m8s

(It is very silly, definitely recommend)

[karmic grove]

Like a dedicated jungler? I didn't realise that was a thing in dota

[glossy stratus]

It used to be a thing, it's not good nowadays

[karmic grove]

Yeah, I think I recall something like that the first time I played, although I don't think I ever saw someone do it

[glossy stratus]

I think there are some 3.5 Enigma builds where the Enigma supports for a couple levels then wanders off to the jungle, but that's pretty niche

[paper shell]

Dedicated jungling is bad for a lot of reasons in current dota

A big one being that camps don’t spawn until 1 minute

[karmic grove]

lol this is so silly

[glossy stratus]

It does not get less silly

[karmic grove]

excellent

[karmic grove]

Yeah that was very entertaining

[gritty sparrow]

There used to be an item that facilitated jungling a lot more

And jungle camps didn't really have all these funny abilities

[cursive wing]

They were weaker, gave more gold, and also spawned 30 seconds after the horn, so if you can clear a camp before the first minute mark it's amazing

Now there's creeps dying in lanes before any jungle camps spawn

Also good riddance to iron talon

[karmic grove]

Wew, intense luna game today. Lost lane but managed to recover a decent bit from jungling. Shadow demon on our team ragequit later on but with some good farming and our alchemist feeding me an aghs and a moon shard, we managed to turn it around.

Also tried khanda out and it does feel really good with how hard your lucent beams hit

[gritty sparrow]

I feel like that plus the blade spawns on your lucent beam talent can make it worth using in a fight late game

Also that is a weirdly poor alchemist

[karmic grove]

I think part of the low net worth was him buying aghs and moon shard for me

[gritty sparrow]

Oh, lol

That would explain it

[karmic grove]

The shadow demon was pretty salty throughout the game. Couple times I was farming jungle and he'd walk past, banish me and kill the creeps :v

[cursive wing]

with khanda and the lucent beam glaive talent luna gets to do so much

[karmic grove]

Yeah, gives you some really nice agency

[vapid ledge]

I have very much bitten by the Dota bug

During a parent visit for lunar New year

Where my deck might be the only Dota capable device

Do I brave the controller control and meme a bot game

[cursive wing]

yes

[reef parcel]

<@&877973728997294120> hey guys wanna dota. me and till and jenny are around

[stark linden]

[glossy stratus]

Ooh Dotes

[near plank]

hmm

[steel forge]

I could mayhaps dote

[near plank]

i could dotes

[viscid tapir]

sure!

[steel forge]

or specate a dote and game 2

[paper shell]

[glossy stratus]

Likewise, if we have more than 5 I'll hop in game 2

Lots of boats already

[reef parcel]

we may have a lot of players

[paper shell]

Its later than I realized, I'll be around for like game 2 maybe 3

[cursive wing]

i find it super distracting when there's six people talking about the game i'm in who are not me

[stark linden]

We should probably limit who talks to in-game + coach/in-game + 1

It can get real confusing when there's a whole commentary track going on

[devout juniper]

I’ve done it a few time but do y’all mind when I mute and spectate

[reef parcel]

oh no that's perfectly fine and lovely

if you're not taking comms space then there's nothing to worry about

[cursive wing]

interesting

[paper shell]

Hey I know that color and pattern, thats the valve no texture error pattern

[stark linden]

install cs source

[cursive wing]

i already had it installed

[reef parcel]

https://fxtwitter.com/ShitpostGate/status/1753640694713905310

[glossy stratus]

Hmm, is Basi the only recipe that gives negative stats?

(With the aura it's better but since the aura doesn't stack that's not guaranteed)

Oh, nope Headdress and Mek are the same

[karmic grove]

<@&877973728997294120> Anyone up for a game?

[delicate jungle]

gaming (yes)

[cursive wing]

hmmm

i do not think i will

[glossy stratus]

Sure

Oh I see I'm a bit late

[gritty sparrow]

Vladimir's Offering is probably the biggest example of that. It's a bunch of different stats that all get condensed down to an aura

While I guess it doesn't have a recipe anymore, essentially was the same when it did

[vapid ledge]

wait recepies give stat????

[cursive wing]

no they do not

but if you subtract the stats of the component from the final item you get the "stats" from the recipie

[vapid ledge]

ah i see

[cursive wing]

also i just won this really fucked up ranked game

[karmic grove]

Dear god what happened there

[cursive wing]

IDK

[delicate jungle]

<@&877973728997294120> ?

[glossy stratus]

Not for me tonight

[manic nimbus]

abba 1 feels reallly really strong atm

remind me to pick him for free wins

when people ask if I want to play 3

[viscid tapir]

lol

[manic nimbus]

the hero is just really silly good

[cursive wing]

adding damage to the silence is absurdl

[cursive wing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJicTXV7jPk really good video that explains some important pos5 concepts

[cursive wing]

you can get 50 int in 36 minutes as silencer and still lose https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7585317812

https://www.opendota.com/matches/7585317812

this one shows buff

[paper shell]

😢

[cursive wing]

<@&877973728997294120> time for an early quick one?

[steel forge]

I could dota

[karmic grove]

I'd be down

[delicate jungle]

Ye

[cursive wing]

+1 player needed

[steel forge]

Sorry my computer has done a thing Ill be back momentarily

[honest meteor]

@cursive wing After your game, think you'll still have space for 1? I have a 2-stack.

[delicate jungle]

were done with our game

[cursive wing]

yes

[delicate jungle]

yeah weve got space

[light urchin]

I am now able to DOTA 2 again

this is very cool

unfortunately, last i played i was banished to low prio due to connection/hardware failure 😔

[reef parcel]

we shall save you

[glossy stratus]

I'm definitely happy to help escape the trenches (though idk how my time zone matches up with you)

[light urchin]

I am american-bound

[reef parcel]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTUzMTY0Nzg0MV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMDU3MzQxMDE@._V1_.jpg

[light urchin]

lmao

[karmic grove]

extract agent derpghost from low prio

[light urchin]

alchemist is fun...
need to figure out how to stack camps

[cursive wing]

playing dota2 in a diff stack rn

[viscid tapir]

if you mean purely technically, you need to have the camp's spawn box (yellow box visible while holding alt) empty when the minute ticks over (from X:59 to X:00)
if you mean from a gamefeel perspective, generally somewhere around X:53 - X:55 you attack the camp, then move away from the camp.

[viscid tapir]

i'll also echo the "i'm down to help you out of low priority" sentiment
I genuinely enjoy Single Draft

[light urchin]

Heheh
Might ping for it later

[glossy stratus]

I should be free in about 2 hours

And likewise, single draft is fun

[paper shell]

Agreed single draft fun

[light urchin]

<@&877973728997294120> well then; anybody up to help drag a poor sucker out of low prio?

[delicate jungle]

i gotta eat

but i will be availaible in a sec

[light urchin]

o7

I got time haha

[karmic grove]

Sure thing

[light urchin]

@delicate jungle in VC when you're ready!

[delicate jungle]

usually we wait till we get 5 maybe 4

[paper shell]

Idk if punchbunny is aware how low prio works and will likely have to learn a new hero on the fly playing it

[light urchin]

oh, yeah, low prio forces single draft

[delicate jungle]

lets get a 5 stack tho

[gritty sparrow]

I will join

[delicate jungle]

i dont want shitters getting salty at us

[light urchin]

ay, nice

[delicate jungle]

@lucid sluice would you like to help

[lucid sluice]

im good on that one, king

[light urchin]

hahaha

[lucid sluice]

im tryin to get ranked points out here

[light urchin]

Very fair

[delicate jungle]

fair

we just need a 5th then

<@&877973728997294120> anyone wanna help derpghost get one more low prio win

[paper shell]

I can play

[glossy stratus]

I'll be free in like 45 mins, so if you don't win this one I can try take two

[light urchin]

o7

sounds like a plan

[paper shell]

Just need a min

[light urchin]

and if we do win this one we'll be free

[reef parcel]

good luck you guuys

[gritty sparrow]

We won through the power of friendship

And illusions

[reef parcel]

even MORE friends!

[cursive wing]

I love single dragt

[paper shell]

I have lagged out

[viscid tapir]

Emily ensuring that we will have more single draft games in the future

[paper shell]

I have lagged out agin

I can't even blink out of the obvbious initation

[light urchin]

Thankee for the games y'all

[gritty sparrow]

Had a game with two good clips, featuring: Death Prophet is balanced

And Earth Spirit UPS

[reef parcel]

what is this a dunkey video

[gritty sparrow]

Eternal Shroud coming to me the moment that fight started saved me so much

71% magic resist

[steel forge]

Lol, lmao even

[cursive wing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjEZiGKfHRA

[cursive wing]

this is a really good guide

[reef parcel]

ooh

omg indian rep

I don't know what it is about indian guides but the content creation style of tutorialists from back home is so pleasant to listen to

and clear

maybe it's just the lack of weird emotive grandstanding

hmm should definitely smoke more at level 1

[paper shell]

I don't think its super needed at our level yet

Being ready to move out of fountain as soon as you load in is usually enough and making sure your items are all ready

I say this as someone who makes sure to get wards placed as fast as possible almost every game

Having the extra money at that start of lane/ at a rune fight is equally valuable

[glossy stratus]

I feel like we need to do more smokes with two or three, and ganks in general, more than specific strategies like smoking at minute 0

[paper shell]

Im a big fan of smoking myself before highground

or smoking for faster rotation to a fight

[glossy stratus]

The usual crowd is pretty good at 4/5 man smokes, but mid or offlaner plus a support or two should be doing smoke moves earlier than we usually do

[glossy stratus]

Smoked backline is so good

[paper shell]

I'll also do it before highground defense too sometimes

[reef parcel]

wait what creep aggro cooldown

I've never heard of this

[glossy stratus]

It makes your hg so much more threatening if they can't guarantee your location

[paper shell]

its super important for lane equalibrium

[glossy stratus]

I have no idea how long it is but I think a few seconds?

[paper shell]

3s

or 3.5?

its pretty short

[gritty sparrow]

I keep a smoke on myself as a caster a lot just to run away or disjoint projectiles

Greedy but I'm a rubick main so that's already a given

[glossy stratus]

It's not really something I've ever thought about explicitly? Just something you learn as part of the creep aggro game

[glossy stratus]

Greedy, but only if your team is actually using the full stock of smokes

[paper shell]

which is rare

[paper shell]

its very useful as a support in lane

As well as a carry trying to aggro creeps towards you, knowing if you failed to get aggro you need to wait before you try again

[gritty sparrow]

If I'm playing with my main stack we use up our smokes a lot more

But I end up playing p4 more there and my method as p4 is spend my entire life committing murder

[paper shell]

It depends a lot on the hero I'm playing how active I am with them

clockwork i buy them constantly

IO not so much

[glossy stratus]

It's absolutely useful, just not one of those things that I've ever thought about as its own mechanic

Just as part of "how creeps do"

[manic nimbus]

I think the team def should be buying out of smokes

And I really agree with lark that we don't rotate enough

Or early enough

[karmic grove]

Yeah, I've got to try and get in the habit of gating more when I'm playing a 5

[lucid sluice]

yeah this is a really good guide

[glossy stratus]

Yeah, the gate letting the 5 pincer their safelane is something I really need to get in the habit of using

Particularly around the lotus timings when they'll be wanting to push forward to contest

[cursive wing]

i think the shop should always be generating important consumables. obs, sentry, smoke

[paper shell]

<@&877973728997294120> anyone out there up for a game. I'd even love to do a cheeky AD or single draft if the right people are around 😄

[delicate jungle]

sure

although id rather a normal game

[paper shell]

Yeah no worries regular games are cool too

[glossy stratus]

I just finished a fairly wild AD game, not sure that I have the energy for another tonight

[paper shell]

My internet has been incredibly stable tonight 😇

[glossy stratus]

Ooh

[paper shell]

if this sweetens the pot any XD

[glossy stratus]

Ehhh it's only 8:30, sure why not

[paper shell]

Exciting though getting 5 is looking tough

[glossy stratus]

I'll hop back on in a moment

[paper shell]

no rush

[delicate jungle]

@reef parcel dota?

[reef parcel]

o.o

uh

oh!

[serene arrow]

she's generally supposed to be going to sleep around this time of day haha

[reef parcel]

<@&877973728997294120> me and till wanna daota

[stark linden]

dotes

[delicate jungle]

ye

[devout juniper]

Dotes

[steel forge]

tragic, the one time it's early enough for me I am otherwise occupied 😔

have fun yall

[devout juniper]

(Not playing just like the word)

[light urchin]

Yeah bout to go out haha

[cursive wing]

I can't make dota rn at a speed run marathon/LAN party

[glossy stratus]

Ooh fun

Very different from a marathon speedrun

(I'll not be free for a couple hours but might catch game... 3 or 4, if you're still playing lol)

[paper shell]

I’d be interested in that game 3 or 4 as well i think based on timing

[viscid tapir]

it'd be game 3 around now

Till and Ashley are dropping so we're down to 3-ish

i'm down for more, just everyone else has left

[paper shell]

I’m just wrapping up eating so maybe like 5-10 mins

[glossy stratus]

I can be on in 15

Just heading home now

[karmic grove]

Yeah, I'll be about too, just taking a little break

[delicate jungle]

i can hop in again in yall need

[paper shell]

I’m apparently bad at guessing time

I’ll be another 10

[viscid tapir]

@gritty sparrow would you like to join, or do you just have dota open?

[gritty sparrow]

oh

I was watching anime and your game

I can join

[manic nimbus]

visage disguise

[viscid tapir]

visengeful spiritwrath

[paper shell]

Fun new guess the hero 😄

and a follow up one too

[reef parcel]

hmm

[reef parcel]

wraith bands means agi hero. ranged. likes burst damage? god I dunno... dark willow

[paper shell]

Answer: ||It was Drow Ranger played by Tom||

Answer to the 2nd one: ||Me on IO :D||

[reef parcel]

dammit I did think ||drow ranger|| fuck. but I assumed it had to be more unhinged

[paper shell]

||the reasoning was "theres a morphling in the game and I mentioned dagon could be useful||

[stark linden]

@reef parcel

[cursive wing]

found it on reddit

[delicate jungle]

I can be on in a sec if yall need a 5th

Ope

Nvm

[viscid tapir]

triple gloves of haste is a fun start

[manic nimbus]

hmmm

[viscid tapir]

treads + corrosion + armlet/maelstrom/midas

you can go for 5

all 5 of those items are good on DK

midas and armlet are kind of contradictory goals though

[viscid tapir]

it keeps happening

Lark keeps finding 5 wisdom runes on the enemy side

[glossy stratus]

AGAIN?!?!?

[paper shell]

they can't keep getting away with this

[gritty sparrow]

They were letting those marinate

[glossy stratus]

They were delicious and marinated

[light urchin]

I gotta play more dota on my own time just to like, get better at it

[paper shell]

This will help a lot

[light urchin]

yeah

nothin but practice

and I'm tired of being dead weight :P

[paper shell]

or just the ocassional video about a specific thing you wanna learn

[glossy stratus]

Do we mind if we bump it up to like 25 minutes? Forgot I have some pasta I wanted to cook

[viscid tapir]

fine by me

[paper shell]

Sure sure

[glossy stratus]

(If people don't want to wait that long I promoted Tom to party lead, feel free to kick me)

[viscid tapir]

did you know Legion Commander has a specific Force Staff animation?

[paper shell]

woah cool

[glossy stratus]

Ooh fancy

That reminds me apparently the new PA hat comes with new weapons for the Arcana

[paper shell]

very cool

[viscid tapir]

@silent Sorry to backseat you@light urchin, the camera thing seemed like it was worth mentioning immediately

[viscid tapir]

oh hey the silent ping failed

[light urchin]

No worries haha

[reef parcel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD3fLK57AbI @glossy stratus @stark linden

[paper shell]

The echo slam

[light urchin]

Vengeful Spirit is so fun

nether warp is just such a funny ability

[light urchin]

oh brutal

[viscid tapir]

okay I honestly can't tell, am I talking in this?

[reef parcel]

yes haha

"you can't see my pings nevermind"

that's you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OHC0-b4Tkk here's what your voice sounds like

[light urchin]

Heheheh

Hearing yourself on voicechat is so bizarre

[reef parcel]

your voices are all so cute

tom's "nooooo"

[light urchin]

I sound so much younger haha
I'm used to recordings of my voice being deeper than I'm used to!

[manic nimbus]

Yeah it's a weird feeling

[reef parcel]

I'm like. constantly scared my voice sounds masc, it sounds so masc in so many of my clips, I've rejected clips before and deleted them cause I hate how I sound in them

and I definitely sound extra masc when I'm getting focused and thinky

[light urchin]

Ash I have never processed your voice as that tbh

[gritty sparrow]

Same

[violet talon]

never

[reef parcel]

😳

thanks derpy

it's stuff like my voice in this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzlh-qo42Ck

[violet talon]

My brain hears accent before all else honestly

[reef parcel]

I guess I do dislike my accent a lot haha

[gritty sparrow]

I have the benefit of being quiet, so even in clips I don't have to hear my voice often

[violet talon]

I love accents.

[reef parcel]

does my accented voice sound masculine?

[violet talon]

I don't think so no.

[reef parcel]

okay

[thorn kayak]

for any of yall who went from league to dota, how was the switch

[light urchin]

Yeah I dunno
Like if i readjust my brain I guess but it's not how I default when I hear your voice, y'know?

[reef parcel]

okayy

[gritty sparrow]

Understanding active items in dota and how different the ranges are was the hardest part

The relative "threat" range is very different

You can be killed offscreen in dota

[glossy stratus]

Also turn rate, movement will feel weirdly clunky until you get used to it

Kiting with ranged characters is a lot less of a thing in Dota

[gritty sparrow]

It's also not unusual to have 3 active items that all are critically important and the main feature of the item

As opposed to the mostly passive effects of league

[cursive wing]

<@&877973728997294120> gaming

[karmic grove]

I could game

[reef parcel]

hmm, jenny and I just threw out a ping for ravenswatch, if no-one responds we'd be up for dota

give us a few minutes to wait

[cursive wing]

alri

[delicate jungle]

gaming

i gotta eat rq tho

[light urchin]

i might be available for game 2 or 3

[glossy stratus]

I probably won't be available tonight, I'm busy playing the fun fun "fix the Linux installation" game

[cursive wing]

usually i just reinstall

i always keep my home directory in its own partition

[thorn kayak]

eh im getting bored of league may as well give it a shot

[paper shell]

😮 another one

[thorn kayak]

knowing people who play the game is a good incentive

[light urchin]

Dota is, if anything, definitely more Interesting than league

[paper shell]

https://tenor.com/view/azumanga-daioh-azumanga-anime-yomi-koyomi-mizuhara-gif-17338022

[thorn kayak]

considering the made hwei before league i believe it

[stark linden]

@cursive wing where u 👀

[delicate jungle]

sorry i got caught up with some stuff

got sucked into the bg3 wormhole with my parnter

[thorn kayak]

that valentine updates evil

[glossy stratus]

That's my usual strategy but I managed to break my bootloader today :)))

[cursive wing]

oh fuc'

do you have like a random install media lying around

[thorn kayak]

so is denying something just killing them first

[cursive wing]

denying is when you attack a friendly unit and deal the killing blow

[thorn kayak]

intresting

[cursive wing]

denying a creep causes it to give half exp and no gold

idk specifics of a hero deny

[glossy stratus]

I do! And after some finagling I've got it booting again

[cursive wing]

NICE

[thorn kayak]

so is friendly fire a thing

or does it have to be intentional

[paper shell]

creeps yes

[cursive wing]

in dota2 you are not playing as a hero

[paper shell]

if theyre under 50%

[cursive wing]

you are playing as an rts camera that issues orders to units you can issue orders to

usually this is only your hero and courier

[glossy stratus]

Generally has to be intentional

[paper shell]

otherwise the hero you control has to be under an effect which allows denial to allow friendly fire

[cursive wing]

it's generally very hard to unintentionally deny a friendly unit

[karmic grove]

Oh yeah @viscid tapir those were some excellent vore saves that game

[viscid tapir]

RIP that one patch where axe could dunk anything

[cursive wing]

but there are a lot of ways to use your abilities in ways that are very detrimental to the team, many of which can be unintentonal

[viscid tapir]

wrong T-name

[glossy stratus]

You have to force-attack creeps to deny them, and you can't hit friendly heroes unless they're taking damage over time from a very few specific abilities

[thorn kayak]

so aoe spam cant hurt friendlies

[glossy stratus]

Nope

[viscid tapir]

Theyflower's a new one to get confused with

usually it's Tron

[cursive wing]

we are both T

[karmic grove]

Oh no lol

[glossy stratus]

There are a couple repositioning tools that can cause issues if used wrong but that's about it

[karmic grove]

Well theyflower good vores that game

[viscid tapir]

also Oshlet I'm sorry literally none of my sven sets are giftable
I have like 7 and I can't give them away :(

[thorn kayak]

ok thats the weirdest change so far

[karmic grove]

Its ok I kinda like default sven. He's pretty goofy

[paper shell]

Denial is usually the weirdest thing to league players for sure

[paper shell]

hes a merperson too 🙂

[viscid tapir]

I've heard turn speed as well

[karmic grove]

He is? woah

[viscid tapir]

yes he's half fish on his mom's side

[thorn kayak]

that is new but not weird

[viscid tapir]

gosh looking back through some of his early sets and they're very goofy

[karmic grove]

lmaoo

[gritty sparrow]

I wish there was a friendly fire mode tbh

Hardcore dota

[viscid tapir]

RIP mutation mode

[gritty sparrow]

Accidentally sunstrike your p5

[glossy stratus]

Only if it also makes heals hit enemies

What does Necro do in this mode? Excellent question!

[gritty sparrow]

Lol

[karmic grove]

pugna simultaneously healing and damaging whoever he sucks

[gritty sparrow]

Scything my teammate for stacks

[viscid tapir]

heal for 130, damage for 280

[glossy stratus]

Meanwhile, Oracle is unchanged

[karmic grove]

slark juicing up on agi from a beefy teammate before diving in

[viscid tapir]

legion farming duel damage from her support

[thorn kayak]

what toggle do you have to do to deny creeps

[karmic grove]

A just aclick them

[thorn kayak]

so hold a and click?

[gritty sparrow]

Ye

[karmic grove]

yeah

[thorn kayak]

trying that in the cs trainer and it aint working

[glossy stratus]

Tap A and click, but it might need an option in the settings?

[thorn kayak]

ok i just turned on the setting

is there any structure to what kind of hero goes to what lane

like how mid is usually an assassin or mage

[gritty sparrow]

Sort of

It's weirder and less direct

[glossy stratus]

Generally your position 1 is your carry (often but not always attack damage), they play from the safe lane (bottom for radiant, top for dire), their job is to farm and become terrifying

[gritty sparrow]

Example of what Lark is typing out, the roles aren't specifically quoted by their lanes but by their gold priority

[thorn kayak]

ok so who gets funneled to

[gritty sparrow]

Position 1 is the equivilant of the adc

[glossy stratus]

Position 3, your offlaner (opposite lane from safelane) tends to be an initiator/teamfighter type hero, frequently strength, usually with stuns

[gritty sparrow]

Position 5, by that merit, would be the support

There is no jungler in dota

[thorn kayak]

but 4th sound like the prio equivalent

[glossy stratus]

Position 2, your mid, is most often a playmaker and space-creator - they control the tempo of the game by ganking and pushing towers

[gritty sparrow]

pos4 would be a "soft" support, which is that you don't farm minions but you also aren't too beholden to babysitting a squishy bag of meat

[thorn kayak]

sounds like its a roamer then?

where its needed?

[gritty sparrow]

They usually are the ones that do that

[glossy stratus]

Pos 4 and 5 are your supports, pos 5 is theoretically the "hard support" who gets very last priority on gold and xp and is usually in charge of warding and stacking

And babysitting your carry

[thorn kayak]

so 1 is adc, 2 is mid, and 3 is top

[gritty sparrow]

Basically

[thorn kayak]

4 is jungle equiv, and 5 is just support

[gritty sparrow]

2 is the most similar 1 to 1 to league

[glossy stratus]

Yep, with the caveat that the lanes are rotationally symmetric in Dota

[thorn kayak]

yeah i saw that

so runes seem like red/blue and scuttle equivalent

and roshan is the baron/herald

[gritty sparrow]

Roshan is very similar, yeah. They fill the same role.

The runes are weird. They are like the red or blue buffs yeah, though shorter duration by a lot with spicier power spikes and much more random

[thorn kayak]

so like if the plants gave buffs?

[karmic grove]

I think looking for direct parallels might be a bit counterproductive imo

[thorn kayak]

ik im just trying to make sure i got the gist's

[gritty sparrow]

Yeah it's harder to give a direct comparison with that. Every 2 minutes it's a random buff that spawns in one of two places on the river

One of the most rng things still left in dota

[karmic grove]

Playing games is still the best way to get the gist, or watching them

[glossy stratus]

Nashor is literally just Roshan backwards lol

[thorn kayak]

god that is really close yeah

[glossy stratus]

Less RNG now thankfully. Less thankfully that RNG has moved to neutral items -_-

[thorn kayak]

do we have a guild for pnet

[gritty sparrow]

Ngl I kinda hate some of the neurtal item tiers for casters atm

Feels like it's so easy to get no good options on t3 and t4 for them

[glossy stratus]

My biggest peeve is enchanted quiver/bow whose name I don't recall

[karmic grove]

grove bow

[glossy stratus]

Whether you roll one of those not is such a ludicrous difference on several heroes

[gritty sparrow]

#bringbackspellprism

[reef parcel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1aua6n9/can_doom_please_be_allowed_to_do_anything_other/ I'm crying. this is the best.

[serene arrow]

they're doing a great job of selling Doom

[reef parcel]

I know right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgMnCLHQuqc

icefrog irl ^

[light urchin]

I want to play Doom now

[manic nimbus]

doooom

[reef parcel]

"I gambled. you lost."

[light urchin]

I'm still in the phase of bouncing around heroes trying to figure out who I want to like
play

[glossy stratus]

Hmm, if you're bouncing around heroes, probably Marci?

[light urchin]

Sure! She's like, 4-5 right?

[glossy stratus]

(She is a fun hero to play but also mostly joking because Rebound)

[light urchin]

It's hard to tell where the hell most heroes 'should' be from just their kits

oh lmao

[glossy stratus]

She's a slightly weird 4/5 but also sees some play as 1

[light urchin]

Funky

[paper shell]

IMO marci is viable in every position

[glossy stratus]

Mid is the one I would be most dubious about

No ally for Sidekick probably means you just lose every matchup

Mmmaybe it's playable against a really passive laner like DK

[karmic grove]

Ohh she can be played as a 1?

Interesting

[paper shell]

don't let tom hear you say that

[glossy stratus]

Passive != bad

But DK is not about to bully anyone out of lane lol

He wins in the most boring fashion of just having good base damage

[paper shell]

Haha perhaps you're right

I'd think she relies on the rest of her kit more mid, and is much more akin to like a spirit breaker mid

less mobile, but likely to guarentee a kill when roaming

perhaps she loses too hard to all mid matchups for it to actually viable

Her ult is just so scary and early levels on her sounds like a good way to be very scary

[glossy stratus]

Yeah, mostly I'm just not sure if she has the damage and survivability to trade like other melee mids

[reef parcel]

@light urchin don't let lark fool you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD3fLK57AbI

there is only one bounce king

[light urchin]

Earthshaker is cool yeah

I've been enjoying Vengeful Spirit a lot

Hoodwink and Klinkz are cool

[reef parcel]

@manic nimbus new clinkz dropped. the cooler edgier clinkz

[light urchin]

I can never fucking remember which way his name goes

[reef parcel]

klinkx

[light urchin]

klynkz

[glossy stratus]

XxKlinkzxX

[reef parcel]

khlyncx

[light urchin]

it's the guy that does this

[reef parcel]

funny story clinkz is not undead

he's just having an incredibly bad time

[light urchin]

oh yeah something about a really shit pact

[reef parcel]

he got immortality around the exact moment he dropped into a pool of lava or something

light sunburn

[light urchin]

yeowch! preddy hot

[reef parcel]

clinkz is just my white friends when they stay out too long in the summer

[light urchin]

But yes, he's fun to play despite me not being good at playing 1 yet

wave management and last hitting is Hard

[karmic grove]

Summer

[light urchin]

Specter is cool, I only just realized last game that her ult is global lmao

[karmic grove]

Spectre is cool, I probably need to get a few more games in with her, I'm still a bit rubbish :v

[light urchin]

Dispersion is just a real funny ability

I want to try uhhh
Faceless Horror
But he was banned every game I played last night lmao

[viscid tapir]

you can definitely beat them up until they have to retreat

[karmic grove]

Yeah, void's a pretty common ban currently

[viscid tapir]

not permanently

but enough to get them away for a wave or two

[glossy stratus]

That only really works if they're bad at creep manipulation

(You can absolutely deny every ranged creep though)

[light urchin]

Primal Beast feels real weird to lane as but his lategame is hilarious
rolling up to a fight and slamming 3 people into fine paste just feels good

[glossy stratus]

Primal relies on the Charge -> Trample combo to clear the wave quickly

[light urchin]

Which makes sense yeah

It's engaging with the other dudes in the lane that throws a weird brain wrench in there

[delicate jungle]

PB is very funny that you can just GRAB someone and slam them into the ground multiple times

[thorn kayak]

timbersaw seems very wacky

[light urchin]

Fuck Trees

[thorn kayak]

so does the saw get permanetley stronger with each tree killed

[glossy stratus]

No, it's just for that one cast

[thorn kayak]

that seems hard to manage

oh enigma is just malzahar on crack

[violet talon]

that's what the hook is useful for

the hook will pull you directly towards trees

[thorn kayak]

i mean fighting near trees consitently

or is that normal

[violet talon]

There's trees all over

The map is entirely covered in trees

Plus the saw is good by itself as well

[thorn kayak]

seems like it

[violet talon]

see it doesn't just do damage it removes strength

and removing strength is removing the HP amount stat

so it will help saw through tanks

[thorn kayak]

phoenix is wonk as hell /pos

[karmic grove]

Bane is probably the closest equivalent to malz

[cursive wing]

in this game of doa2 that i'm in right now

holy shit

i delivered dust to my carry during a teamfight

and he used it for an important kill

[karmic grove]

yo nice

[thorn kayak]

teammates doing their jobs?

ill believe it when i see it

nah enigma feels alot closer to modern malz, if he was cranked up by 11

single target dot, minion spawn, aoe hurty, and one hell of a cc ult

and ourple

clockwerk seems very good

[thorn kayak]

dark willow looks fun

[paper shell]

Clockwork is good but can easily bait teams into bad figths when not played well

[thorn kayak]

yeah that r looks like the devil talking

[paper shell]

Its also a skill shot so theres that too

[karmic grove]

congrats

[vapid ledge]

tried out shadow demon at work...

maybe i can finally have a support pick to answer my good at carry coworkers

[glossy stratus]

Demonic Cleanse makes your core just entirely immune to quite a few heroes

[manic nimbus]

That's my feeling too, and your midlaner does have to try and win the lane or get farm anyway efficiently

And at least somewhat control their mid

[gritty sparrow]

I do remember I lost lane pretty hard to a Marci mid a couple months ago but they were also a top 500 immortal player so I feel pretty okay with eating shit there

I will also always recommend Clockwerk

A very funny hero

You will be surprised with the amount of people you can just square up and fight with very few items

[reef parcel]

The clock:

• day and night shift every 5 minutes

• river runes spawn every 2 minutes (a power rune spawns from 6 minutes onwards)

• bounty runes spawn every 3 minutes

• lotuses spawn every 3 minutes

• wisdom runes spawn every 7 minutes

• tormentors spawn at 20 minutes

• tormentors respawn 10 minutes after dying

• roshan respawns 8-11 minutes after dying

• watchers last 7 minutes, repair after 2 minutes

• neutral tiers activate at 7/17/27/37/60

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPRT-E8D6qA

[karmic grove]

Worth adding power runes spawn at 6 minutes onwards? Very useful otherwise, though

Maybe Day/Night every 5 minutes, too

[cursive wing]

Day night is important

[light urchin]

fascinatin

[paper shell]

There’s a cool infographic which gets posted to Reddit fairly frequently

[vapid ledge]

what's rosh's spawn timer and which side is he on at what cycle of the day again?

[viscid tapir]

radiant/bottom in the day, dire/top in the night

he doesn't have a minimum spawn time though

if you wanted you could fight him before the bounty runes

[vapid ledge]

ah ok i was wondering

y'know i just had a differnet curiosity

can mirana ult during night stalker ult?

[reef parcel]

yeah rosh starts on the board, and in fact killing him before creep spawns is possible

ursa used to be able to solo rosh at level 1

[vapid ledge]

oh wait i should've known this... i've even done the ursa lvl 1 solo rosh before

yeah saw a guide and got curious

[reef parcel]

[viscid tapir]

yes, these are completely unrelated abilities

if you mean Luna, then also yes

Phoenix ult will also just cancel NS ult

[vapid ledge]

wait who turns teammates invis when night?

[viscid tapir]

mirana's ult is not limited to night time

[vapid ledge]

lmao why do i keep imagining dota skill trivias...

somehow i had vivid fake memory that mirana ult requires it to be night to cast

[reef parcel]

https://www.gematsu.com/2024/02/moba-revival-gigantic-rampage-edition-announced-for-ps5-xbox-series-ps4-xbox-one-and-pc holy shit, talking about this in vgd #video-game-discussion message

[light urchin]

AYO?

Also: Techies is really fun

[light urchin]

okay techies are really fun

That's A Lotta Damage

[reef parcel]

the children aren't gonna be okay

[light urchin]

minefields, winged, minefields

[stark linden]

february 2024, derpghost discovers techies, the map is now minefields

[light urchin]

I am a simple lad with simple pleasures

And those pleasures are to make things explode while laughing my ass off

honestly I don't know what else people would want out of a video game

[noble tusk]

You pick techies. Techies plants mines.

[lucid sluice]

Okay yeah @delicate jungle I get it now. Hoodwink is very fun.

I live on the edge of the fight and cause great torment

[light urchin]

Hoodwink is great yeah

[gritty sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/we-are-so-back-we're-back-cat-happy-gif-960412808382061232

Yes, my favorite of the indie mobas

I loved this more than Battlerite even

I can resume being a menace with the funny jetpack lady

[reef parcel]

I respect that

if there's any game I'd rank as good as battlerite it's probably gigantic

[delicate jungle]

NO WAY HELL YEAH

i didnt play this game that much but i know it was cool and deserved to not die

pls can we play this

like as a group

[gritty sparrow]

A court order wouldn't be able to stop me from playing this

[cursive wing]

mirana can always ult. the way the day/night ults work is as follows.

1. it is naturall day/night
2. luna/nightstalker cover the sun in the sky which makes it night if it would be day
3. phoenix turns into the sun, which will make it daytime even if the sun in the sky is covered or there is no sun in the sky

[vapid ledge]

ah ok, must have merged luna with mirana as i often did

[paper shell]

https://www.reddit.com/r/learndota2/comments/18794ei/fuck_it_heres_the_full_infographic_for_free_time/

I found the infographic

[reef parcel]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2451212749

[glossy stratus]

I should copy this to the new notes thingy in Steam

Namely Rosh and watchers

[vapid ledge]

lol literally what i did

tho does that always stay across different boots of dota?

also i assume notes are game-specific aka dota notes don't show up when i play say holocore?

[light urchin]

Interesting Interesting

[vapid ledge]

being able to untangle the catriding ladies and the shadow themed demonic named characters is kind of a dota familiarity milestone for me...

[light urchin]

lmao yeah

there's a lot of these

shadow demon, shadow fiend, doom, spectre
almost certainly somebody else I'm forgetting

[paper shell]

Shadow Shaman 🙃

[light urchin]

LMAO yeah

The way Dota 2 names its characters fascinates me

[paper shell]

Gotta watch out for SB when you're playing

and ES

[light urchin]

[paper shell]

And of course the 6 spirits

[glossy stratus]

I'm pretty sure they're game-specific and persistent across sessions

Two of the spirits being ES (or two of the ES being spirits) has always been my favorite

[gritty sparrow]

I like that every character has an actual name, just very few are referred by it

[light urchin]

yeah

but some people get a real name anyway!

[glossy stratus]

Lina is like the only hero who gets called almost exclusively by name

[light urchin]

it's so inconsistent

[vapid ledge]

"ah yes, esprit, my fav dota hero"

[gritty sparrow]

It's also funny when people refer to them by their real nam,e

[glossy stratus]

Actually I lie, Riki and Luna too

[vapid ledge]

*in english discussions

[glossy stratus]

Ah fair

[gritty sparrow]

Like they're some parent getting angry at their kid and saying their middle name at them

[vapid ledge]

when i watch TI on chinese track, it's amusing how much vocab i need to learn due to even the casters use slang

[light urchin]

Some characters get like, titley names
and some just get a word

[vapid ledge]

i feel like every hero gets a nickname

[glossy stratus]

Actually there's a fair few more that go by name even in English, but the inconsistency is still fun

[light urchin]

shoutout to Lone Druid, whos name is outright just a lie

[glossy stratus]

Hey, there was a time when Lonely Druid was the best build

[vapid ledge]

lina is fire girl, tiny is tiny tiny ok nvm that one's official name, kunka is captain, lifestealer is doggy

[karmic grove]

Furion is interesting because his nickname 'Fuck we forgot to ban furion' is longer than his normal name

[light urchin]

Lone Druid? Wrong. the bear.

[vapid ledge]

drow is little black (likely due to dota 1 model?)

[light urchin]

screw that bear by the way, spent an entire game being harassed by it today
absolutely impossible to kill

[glossy stratus]

(Lonely Druid was an LD build where you didn't level up bear)

[vapid ledge]

actually probably due to the wc3 unit that donated the dota 1 model

chinese sven is also a funny obsevation similar to english furion

[gritty sparrow]

Furion is the funniest one to me tbh cause he is called that no where in the game but everywhere in the game files

[light urchin]

who the hell is furion

[vapid ledge]

official name is 2 syllables but the nickname that the comentators tend to use is four syllables (rogue swordsman)

[karmic grove]

nature's prophet

[glossy stratus]

Nature's Prophet

[light urchin]

lmao

[gritty sparrow]

It's because his model is Malfurion

[glossy stratus]

TIL Tide's actually named Leviathan

[paper shell]

Someone got mad at me for calling IO IO and not wisp

[gritty sparrow]

I remember that

[paper shell]

was super weird

[glossy stratus]

'Call it Wisp nerd'

Such a bizarre hill

[vapid ledge]

oh yeah chinese io is also shorter than its nickname

which is the chinese transalation of wisp lmfao

lmao ET is big ox, EShaker is small ox/old ox, SB is white ox

[glossy stratus]

Brothers 😌

[cursive wing]

the steam notes feature is game specific, and right now in the overlay there's a bug where you can't add or remove notes... but there's a button in the client to do that

[vapid ledge]

ah cool, thx

[viscid tapir]

huh, my notes work fine. i've consistently been using it to keep rosh time

[cursive wing]

it might be a linux bug

idk if it is

[cursive wing]

<@&877973728997294120> we can play the game

[delicate jungle]

Bet

[olive moon]

im down to play the game

[cursive wing]

it is time

[glossy stratus]

Ooh Dota

[paper shell]

ping me for game 2 maybe 🙂

[light urchin]

i want to dota but cannot VC 😔

[viscid tapir]

the results of the ability draft game

[light urchin]

horrifying!

[light urchin]

absolutely insane game

huskar boss raid

[manic nimbus]

oh dear

[light urchin]

he dealt 125,000+ damage

[viscid tapir]

darn, I didn't even spawn an enraged jungle stalker that game

[karmic grove]

lmao

[viscid tapir]

👀

[glossy stratus]

2V2 mid ability draft (ff enabled) sounds horrifying

Let's do it

[cursive wing]

https://youtu.be/fS_Ta6YRSJk?si=IpD__73dw-NYB09-

[paper shell]

I’m so ready for this crazy game mode

[paper shell]

So what time is 2v2ARAMAD(FFE)?

[viscid tapir]

what's the FFE here

[vapid ledge]

friendly fire enabled???

[paper shell]

Friendly Fire Enabled yeah

[viscid tapir]

ah

[glossy stratus]

I'm probably only available on the later side tonight unfortunately

Say 7:30 or a bit earlier PT

(bit under 5 hours from now)

[viscid tapir]

https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.35c

<@&877973728997294120> patch (small)

[karmic grove]

Oh my god the ogre bruiser change

finally they won't fuck my stacks :v

[viscid tapir]

holy shit, shiva's recipe cost up to 2050

[lucid sluice]

Nothing I really hate here

[glossy stratus]

Is that the most expensive single recipe in the game now?

[viscid tapir]

DK nerfed ;_;
(he's fine, nothing that major)

gotta be

[glossy stratus]

(Dagon 5 costs more total ofc)

[viscid tapir]

Skewer

Fixed interactions between Skewer and other forced movement abilities (e.g: Primal Beast Pulverize) causing Skewer to deal damage relative to the distance between the target and the center of the map.

lol

lmao

[cursive wing]

wtf im in a game rn

[lucid sluice]

Minor Abaddon nerf

[noble tusk]

mage slayer adjustment seems needed

[gritty sparrow]

SPARK WRAITH
Duration decreased from 45s to 16s

That's a huge nerf

At least for laning stage

[viscid tapir]

I think it's kind of weird they increased the DoT

like, it's a lot lower overall

but I've generally viewed it as a little extra bonus that's probably going to stick on the mage you're slaying anyway

[noble tusk]

yeah for sure

[viscid tapir]

disperser always affecting the user is kind of interesting

I think that means you can get the slow AND the speed boost

[stark linden]

Witch doctor nerf 👀

[gritty sparrow]

Maybe I can play PA again

[reef parcel]

huh centaur nerfed by nerfing helm of iron will

heaven's halberf buff

od nerfed

i've been a bit nerfed across the board

[glossy stratus]

WD nerf is so nice

Monkey King actually being able to lane against Spirit Bear is also just good for consistency

Lots of well-deserved nerfs all around

[paper shell]

huge change

jungling 100% less annoying

[viscid tapir]

toning everyone down to reasonable levels so when they update the map to be 1:1 with the artifact lore in Crownfall everything can be fucked up again

[paper shell]

this woulda put my ad build last night over the edge tbh

[glossy stratus]

I'm just amused by the Ember nerf

[vapid ledge]

what did they do to 'em

[viscid tapir]

Sleight of fist manacost from 60 to 65

[glossy stratus]

5 more mana on Sleight of Fist, literally nothing else

[viscid tapir]

honestly, i bet he'll feel it

[paper shell]

Also, why is there such a big gap here

[glossy stratus]

Yeah it's actually nontrivial in lane with how much you spam it

[glossy stratus]

That's where the nerfs to the secret item are

[vapid ledge]

does he spam sleight of fist or the root? (or both?

[viscid tapir]

that's where the changes to Samurai Tabi are

[glossy stratus]

Sleight spam in lane to harass + secure creeps

[paper shell]

Seems like items I like better items i don't like worse. which I'm happy about 🙂

[glossy stratus]

Same lol

[vapid ledge]

ah

[glossy stratus]

I'm glad for the SnY buffs, they're supposed to be the early game value items but they've been pretty outshone of late

[paper shell]

Prophet not nerfed enough

[glossy stratus]

3 damage is pretty huge

Plus the wraith band nerf

[paper shell]

Prophet wont be nerfed enough until hes a kobold

[glossy stratus]

Still probably solid, but it definitely hits his laning

But the kobolds all got +3 damage! Soon the jungle will be full of prophets!

[paper shell]

Ngl I like playing with your prophet a lot so I don't mind him being ok

[glossy stratus]

The tp cd nerf is very healthy for him I think, makes it less viable to use it in lane for damage if you also want to rotate

But yeah, NP and Mag both feel like nerfs where it's like, "okay they deserved this but they're still good"

Which, ideal really

[paper shell]

I just wish IO recieved changes

I just want to see the hero I play in notes

nerf or buff its ok, I just wanna see my lil guy

[glossy stratus]

Spirits now start with 100 rotation speed, gain 25 speed per second

[paper shell]

🤔 sounds fun

[glossy stratus]

Aghs becomes silly

Aghs also grants knockback on spirits with distance based on their current speed

[paper shell]

spirits baseball

I have 2 actual requests for my io buff wishlist

let io break movement speed cap with tether again

and bring back the spirits range talent

[glossy stratus]

It can't anymore? Boooo

[paper shell]

When you're getting pulled to your tether target you move faster than the cap,

but you don't get walk speed faster which was the actual funest thing with spirit breaker

[glossy stratus]

Yeah but no racecar Io plus BS is tragic

Or SB yeah

[paper shell]

because you'd navigate the terrain while sb ignored it

nyx with shard was also good

back when it was crazy good and granted free pathing

[glossy stratus]

Time to get Giant's Ring

[paper shell]

and broke cap as well

[viscid tapir]

wish granted: treants is replaced with a global prospecting aura granting double the usual kobold prospecting GPM

[karmic grove]

Monkeys paw curls and prophet gets 3 extra base attack like the kobolds

[glossy stratus]

Oh god, I can already see the people queuing for ranked flex then going "5 NP" AFK in the jungle

Like Ancients necro or NP but somehow worse

[viscid tapir]

alternative: kobolds are buffed to be clones of NP

upside: this makes pulling into the kobold camp a lot easier

downside: this makes farming the kobold camp early a lot harder

[karmic grove]

you try to pull it and they tree circle you so you can't reach your creeps

[glossy stratus]

Whenever you're below 30% HP in vision of a neutral every kobold on the map teleports over to kill you

[karmic grove]

<@&877973728997294120> Anyone about for a game now or laterish?

[paper shell]

yeah

[steel forge]

I would love to play the video game

[stark linden]

👀

if we get a fifth im game

[reef parcel]

i could

[light urchin]

Maybe in an hour 👀

[viscid tapir]

i'm around as well

[delicate jungle]

indisposed currently

but later perhaps

[paper shell]

3:30 on my rl game left

[reef parcel]

o..o

how badly you wanna play in game 1 em

[stark linden]

rocket league is the dota of racing games

[paper shell]

2:23

[weary flax]

Hope it's okay to watch the matches, I've been interested in trying DOTA

[light urchin]

Yeah, it's absolutely cool to spectate in

Just make sure you aren't taking up comms space

[steel forge]

@viscid tapir what am I looking at

I don't want to clog up vc but uh

[reef parcel]

yeah for sure feel free to spectate quietly

[steel forge]

what is this

[viscid tapir]

spectator draft screen

[reef parcel]

it's the pick interface for spectators

yeah

[steel forge]

weird

okay yeah something is up ™️

[viscid tapir]

Tron using the no tree hack :(

[karmic grove]

Good games people, the goofy ability draft mid thing was fun

[gritty sparrow]

The amount of time she had to not get hooked by me just reminded me of

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-austin-powers-noo-move-get-out-of-the-way-gif-19284848

[reef parcel]

lollll

[reef parcel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JA6w5BquNU

https://tenor.com/view/kaguya-kaguya-sama-kaguya-sama-love-kaguya-sama-love-is-kaguya-sama-love-is-war-gif-17178442

[paper shell]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1axdwxw/how_many_kobolds_does_it_take_to_kill_a_level_1/

[paper shell]

this just looks like overwatch to me

[light urchin]

it's overwatch but good

[gritty sparrow]

I would say it's similar to overwatch in the same way that that dota 2 is similar to world of warcraft

It almost looks the same visually and shares some common history in its origin but it's so different I think comparing it isn't useful

[paper shell]

I think because of the perspective and lack of any sort of creep it seems like it boils down to just fighting over objective. I have very little experience with this game other than this one video. I have also played almost 0 overwatch as well so its maybe not a good comparison. However it looked like class based gameplay defending and capturing points. Honestly it was hard to tell what the actual win condition was from the video before I stopped watching

[gritty sparrow]

The win condition is weird

It's like if the ancients in Dota were both giving you directions and before you killed the enemy ancient it would slap you to death first

[reef parcel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niP3BfYXa5Y

[karmic grove]

I had a fun time playing gigantic ages ago

[reef parcel]

tldr you summon pokemon on control points until eventually one team earns enough points, then the two ancients have a brawl and you get an opportunity to slap the losing ancient in the face

slap it enough and you win

also like. it is a moba. you get exp and level up your QWE and unlock an R

[paper shell]

Yeah just doesn't really sound like a moba to me

When I think of moba I don't think leveling and QWE abilities and an ult

[reef parcel]

[glossy stratus]

“Are MOBAs progression fantasy”- the greatest thread in the history of forums, locked by a moderator after 73648 pages of heated debate

[paper shell]

Like I can see the similarity and why its adjacent

[rough sparrow]

fellas I went 5 months with it uninstalled

its time to go back to da old me

[paper shell]

Fellas

[karmic grove]

Welcome back 😔

[glossy stratus]

The cycle spins anew

[agile finch]

this might be an awkward time to ask about how one gets into dota-

[reef parcel]

you download it from steam

[agile finch]

oh yeah but-

the last time we heard of the game it sounded extremely complex

we've already done the install but playing the game feels daunting-

[karmic grove]

Frankly, it is a bit complex and daunting to start with - its super mechanic dense and there's a ton of characters and items which do crazy things. The best way to figure out how to play is just play, though

If you've played other mobas before they can provide a nice jumping off point

[light urchin]

If you have questions don't hesitate to ask in here

[paper shell]

There are also enough new players in this discord that you can find a group of 5 friendly people close to you in skill to maybe queue with

Making for easy to learn in environments

[agile finch]

oooo okays

is there a build recommendation portion of the shop or should we just google whats the best build

[glossy stratus]

There's a built-in guides menu with item and level recommendations

[karmic grove]

there are build guides you can select in game, they're handy to get to grips with the game

or a new hero

[glossy stratus]

I think Tortedelinni's guides are considered usually good quality

[agile finch]

oh this so cool

[viscid tapir]

they're widely availble is more the thing

[agile finch]

thank you, dota friends

[rough sparrow]

Check between Torte de Lini and ImmortalFaith for the ingame guides

It varies patch to patch

[karmic grove]

<@&877973728997294120> Anyone about for some dota gaming?

[paper shell]

ye

[delicate jungle]

perhaps

[viscid tapir]

sure

[stark linden]

👀

[reef parcel]

oh till and I will be around

let me poke him

okay no dota for now

you guys have fun

[glossy stratus]

Ooh dotes, I'll probably be there for game 2 or 3

[paper shell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAscn_CXPz8

This song is NSFW

[rough sparrow]

If you’re around in… 6 hours we can ball

[cursive wing]

<@&877973728997294120> game 2 time

[paper shell]

please note theyflower isn't in the stack at the moment and is actually "using us as a podcast" so we still need a 5th

[light urchin]

good for them

[light urchin]

LMAO

[serene arrow]

Imagine knowing Lancer stuff on the Lancer server smh

(I don't either)

[karmic grove]

Khanda Rapier sniper spotted in the wild

(He manner paused after getting kills, kept putting ?? in all chat and was not especially useful)

Fortunately he was on the enemy team

[vapid ledge]

wait is manner pause good manner or bad manner?

[rough sparrow]

Terrible manners

[steel forge]

what does manner pause mean?

[reef parcel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn-SX4M677s

[rough sparrow]

Who wants to lose some dota with me

[glossy stratus]

Pause immediately after killing someone

[glossy stratus]

I have a tragic case of the workdays :(

[light urchin]

Why would you even do that?

[rough sparrow]

Because you cant tbag

[paper shell]

To annoy people at the exact moment they're likely to already be the most frustrated

[glossy stratus]

Same as tipping someone after they die

[viscid tapir]

<@&877973728997294120> anyone up to defend of the ancient?

[paper shell]

ye 🙂

[steel forge]

I am being irresponsible this night

[glossy stratus]

I could do an evening Dotes

[steel forge]

I will defend an ancient