Rubick's cast range is so silly
#DOTA 2
glossy stratus
gritty sparrow
The cast range is amazing, you can ward the enemy side of the river from your side
manic nimbus
honestly I kinda see force staff as the defensive blink
most supports I feel really want one or both eventually
reef parcel
<@&877973728997294120> looking to form a second stack
glossy stratus
Only need 2 more!
delicate jungle
ttrpg time sorry
reef parcel
<@&877973728997294120> final game?
glossy stratus
I'll join
glossy stratus
Ah, alas
reef parcel
maybe we can kick jenny out
light urchin
haha
karmic grove
I think what'll really take my pos1 play to the next level is having some training montage music at the ready for when I'm hitting creeps in the jungle
lucid sluice
Honest to god I've been doing that recently in pubs and it helps me ignore my team not get distracted
gritty sparrow
That would make it even funnier when you then get the pos1 classic of farming all game, having one teamfight then losing
lucid sluice
No but playing some music while playing has actually helped me tune into the game a bit more
karmic grove
For real though I think the biggest thing I need to work on is early laning - securing lasthits, not getting zoned out as badly
glossy stratus
Laning is real tricky, it's a game in and of itself really
Creep aggro is an adventure
viscid tapir
dota's a cool game because as you go deeper you just find more games stacked on top of each other
like the laning game
and then the creep pulling game that supports play inside the laning game
and then the warding game that gets played inside the creep pulling game
this is why mid is the best lane: it is pure, honest footsies
gritty sparrow
For real though I think the biggest thing I need to work on is early laning - se...
My biggest tip: Learn when to abandon the lane. It sucks to jungle early but it's better than feeding, usually
Sometimes there is zero answer you can give to the axe who rushed vanguard phase boots
He will just be able to run at you without you dealing damage for the next 20 minutes
The answer is that is a supports job to solve, but if they can't for one reason or another then your support should try to ward for you and take the dangerous farm in the mean time. Ideally.
karmic grove
Thanks for the tips
gritty sparrow
Something weird that is also probably slightly too much to consider cause I never really do
The side jungle on dire and radiant have different buffs while you do the three camps closer to your base
Radiant gives mana regen and dire gives hp regen
karmic grove
oh huh
gritty sparrow
You can plan out better how to do your optimal jungle path if you know you can regen doing these camps or spend more of your spells doing these camps
glossy stratus
That whole bottom strip is a good place to farm if you feel like your jungle is unsafe
(Or top if you're dire)
gritty sparrow
Yeah the jungle is ideally where you should expect to farm a while no matter how well you do. The good part is that even in games where I check and they are full of divines and immortals
People are too lazy to hunt me down in the jungle
Especially the side jungle
Convinced that they lowered jungle creep gold in 7.35 just cause people lack object permanence on the p1
reef parcel
<@&877973728997294120> hey you guys anyone up for some chill dota with me and till
stark linden
👀
glossy stratus
I'll be up for game 2
reef parcel
jenny you up for a 3 stack
stark linden
ye
cursive wing
gonna take a nap
glossy stratus
I can probably hop on for game 1 actually if you don't mind waiting like 5 mins
reef parcel
too late
viscid tapir
unfortunate news
glossy stratus
Rip lol
Game 2 it is then
(This also works out fine, I have some online training videos to watch so I'm fairly flexible)
gritty sparrow
My friend and I played Morphling/Rubick safe lane last night
It was very funny when I stole Nightmare and he switched to Bane and also Nightmared someone
Or double Hoof Stomping a centaur
reef parcel
<@&877973728997294120> anyone wanna fifth us
reef parcel
manic nimbus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xvfy2_4t4E omniknight gameplay (c/w comedy gore and I guess needles)
karmic grove
Had a fun (fairly close) game as viper safelane. I know that's probably not where you play him, he seems more like an offlane anti-carry but I enjoyed him a lot
Their team had a phantom lancer, lifestealer, weaver and gyrocopter which (iirc) are all good break targets, huge physical damage meant I skipped bkb and got blademail and cuirass as second and third items and just ate a bunch of hits while sitting in a poison pool
Figuring out that a particular item is a good idea and then having it pay off is such a satisfying thing lol
reef parcel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xvfy2_4t4E omniknight gameplay (c/w comedy gore...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vljg4K1oUIg (CW for comedy gore)
karmic grove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xvfy2_4t4E omniknight gameplay (c/w comedy gore...
This is incredible lol, its so goofy
karmic grove
Definitely gotta watch that at some point
manic nimbus
well I won't say they are good films
I think the clip advertises about the quality you get
karmic grove
Yeah, I'm not expecting anything amazing, but it looks quite entertaining
weary flax
I've seen it before, it's a lot
manic nimbus
yeah thats the right expectations for it
karmic grove
Anyone down for some dota a bit later today?
honest meteor
No ping yet, but I'd love to play in a few hours. When would folks be free?! :D
I'm just having dinner and general bumming around.
reef parcel
<@&877973728997294120> till and I are just finishing food, you guys wanna dota in like 10 minutes?
steel forge
I could dota
stark linden
👀
glossy stratus
Sure!
karmic grove
Sure
reef parcel
dmsteve mentioned wanting to play too
hell yeah
we got a nice big stack
honestly I enjoy our like... big stack of chilling together and playing dota we do like every other night
karmic grove
Its very chill
steel forge
Actually if there's 6 interested and you don't have someone who'd be an actually useful coach I'd love to coach and just spectate?
reef parcel
hell yeah!
steel forge
awesome
delicate jungle
Uh I might be able to catch game 2
viscid tapir
I'll spectate but I think I'm late to throw my hat in the ring
viscid tapir
pretty sure there's no room for me ashley
reef parcel
Ill stream for you?
reef parcel
iof couuurse
viscid tapir
there's the even longer Snapfire prediction: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dota2_gamepedia/images/8/87/Vo_snapfire_snapfire_inthebag_03.mp3/revision/latest?cb=20191202223115
cursive wing
doing an archipelago rando
honest meteor
Ping me for the next if there’s room? My PC is on. I’m just spending time on the couch. :)
(I missed the first ping rip)
reef parcel
@honest meteor second game!
honest meteor
On my way!!!
shy hazel
aight im back at it again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T44fXZsY3fg
weary flax
I'm between learning Monkey King, Zeus or Sniper
shy hazel
i only picked nyx that match because i saw their lineup and they were practically asking for it
light urchin
Damn now I wanna play nyx
so-called free thinkers
steel forge
I've been climbing my way through the tiers of bots in the bot games until one poses like. a problem
because fun though it may be, the pos3 17-1 sand king game does not feel in any way plausible in a real match lmao
karmic grove
Damn now I wanna play nyx
Nyx looks fun, and they're another creature character, which I like
light urchin
Creature characters are always the best
karmic grove
peak design is where the character is a weird bug or a snake of sorts
light urchin
so true
karmic grove
||like sniper||
reef parcel
<@&877973728997294120> till just got home, anyone wanna dota in like 10 minutes?
glossy stratus
Sure!
delicate jungle
i think i can catch game 2
viscid tapir
@stark linden if you have the setting Right-Click allies: to Attack, you can take the sleep off with a right click. the other 2 settings don't work, and you'll need to issue the attack command with whatever Attack is bound to
stark linden
thanks tommy!
reef parcel
@delicate jungle game 2?
reef parcel
I... I see
viscid tapir
@glossy stratus game's done
glossy stratus
Oop I'll be back in a minute
karmic grove
I think I got a decent bit out of seeing jugg being played by someone else today, probably gonna switch from battle fury as a farming item to maelstrom, just because I feel the lack of attack speed messes you up a bit in the early midgame
reef parcel
I think I got a decent bit out of seeing jugg being played by someone else today...
(I may be wrong about this but I think 'gimp' is etymologically tied to the slur for disabled people, if so we should avoid usingi t)
gritty sparrow
I always preferred Maelstrom on jugg, slower power farming but it used to proc on your shard spin. Now the spin is attack speed based so I still get it but for different reasons
karmic grove
(I may be wrong about this but I think 'gimp' is etymologically tied to the slur...
Gotcha
karmic grove
I always preferred Maelstrom on jugg, slower power farming but it used to proc o...
Yeah, I figure battle fury probably edges it out in cases of 'oh I need to powerfarm to x-3 items (probably manta and butterfly) but otherwise maelstrom is better
And then you just don't fight at all until you hit that
cursive wing
I think I got a decent bit out of seeing jugg being played by someone else today...
maelstrom is better on jugg currently because battlefury is not that good right now and jugg is tied with antimage for having the best BAT in the game. he gets a lot more from the big attackspeed boost of mjj and also really likes the small innate attackspeed from maelstrom
if the dispel isn't immediately needed it's probably reasonable to just go straight mjj after yasha if you aren't going to use the illusions to get extra farm
karmic grove
maelstrom is better on jugg currently because battlefury is not that good right ...
Yeah, I fiddled about a bit in the training thing and at 3 items (BF, Butterfly, Manta + Wand and Treads) vs assumed less farm maelstrom (Maelstrom, Manta, Eaglesong + Wand and Treads (1350 gold less) and rightclick dps was 40 lower while omni was about 250-ish damage lower on the maelstrom one. With claymore added (equal-ish money) maelstrom hits same rightclick dps and about 250-ish more damage with omni
fathom siren
(I may be wrong about this but I think 'gimp' is etymologically tied to the slur...
huh, it totally doesn't have that meaning down here
TIL
reef parcel
huh, it totally doesn't have that meaning down here
I'm not maximally certain about it but yeah I grew up using "gimped" and "gypped" as verbs and I've since stopped using both because I'm pretty sure they both just pull from the obvious slurs
weary flax
I never realized "gimped" actually came from a slur. I was never comfortable with the word (a weird word to say), but even moreso now.
manic nimbus
yeah had a look huh
honestly the only context I had for gimp before was the leather one so I assumed it was somehow related there
vapid ledge
Iirc my only exposure to the slur use was usual suspects
fathom siren
honestly the only context I had for gimp before was the leather one so I assumed...
yea as far as I can tell its more or less a uniquely NA slur
manic nimbus
Yeah I guess huh
reef parcel
yea as far as I can tell its more or less a uniquely NA slur
well I knew of it back when I lived in the middle east, and it was used in this channel in the pejorative form too so I'm assuming that's the same use case
I don't remember the exact wording, something like ||"I feel the lack of attack speed gimps you in the early midgame"|| or something like that
afaik that's basically just like the use of the word lame in a disability sense
paper shell
Its a bit of a less common one for sure which people maybe don't know the origins of. I think I've only ever heard used in the slur way from one person.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/gimp
If you're into etymology https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/gimp this mentions its possibly from a combo of gammy and limp which is interesting of itself. However it's for sure an abelist slur, though uncommon.
shy hazel
peak design is where the character is a weird bug or a snake of sorts
^
cute girls/hot women?
big muscular manly men?
nah miss me with that shit gimme the eldritch abominations
cursive wing
more sexy snake boobs
karmic grove
oh no
glossy stratus
Still sad they gave Io its turn rate back
paper shell
Thats been a thing since like neutral slot was added
glossy stratus
Tragically
glossy stratus
It was kind of hilarious that Io was basically a single League character in Dota
But it was also just a nice unique aspect
reef parcel
@devout juniper hey isaac, new thread here
tldr we had a lot of threads directly under the main channels for video game discussion and tabletop discussion and stuff
but we decided to move to a forum format
so they're easier to see
devout juniper
swag ty
reef parcel
want me to give you the dota role?
devout juniper
sure! just in case
reef parcel
hell yeah
devout juniper
so my only moba experience is heroes of the storm, where the camps where seige camps exclusively. also last hitting wasn't a thing, and neither was purchasing items
so there's a lot to learn
noble tusk
oh hey i liked hots
devout juniper
hots was great! i loved it when i played it, it just lost developer support and the fire died
noble tusk
ye
dota was the first moba where i played not-support haha
the learning curve was something
devout juniper
i was an azmodan 1 trick, i liked buffing lane minions and providing a "lane support" role
is there a champ like that?
reef parcel
hots was great! i loved it when i played it, it just lost developer support and ...
hots was super great, one of the few other non-dota mobas me and till both liked
it was just really interesting
reef parcel
i was an azmodan 1 trick, i liked buffing lane minions and providing a "lane sup...
azmodan... hmm... as a sort of direct genetic cousin, underlord
I play underlord, you can see him on my channel
noble tusk
oh yeah i remember that game
reef parcel
otherwise, in terms of heroes that slam down lanes, they do exist but they're pretty unusual. heavy push strategies are kind of niche and require a lot of coordination
light urchin
There's heroes that can do funky splitpush stuff because they come with other guys
so you could be in a fight while your wolves/spiders/bear/meepo/whatever the fuck are busting down a tower
But that's some complex micro as the game turns into an outright RTS
noble tusk
meepo can turn into multiple men in a trenchcoat now
light urchin
meepo terrifies me
I've never seen them played and the type of person that would is too powerful to interact with
for reference, Meepo is a little imp guy that is, uh, 5 guys
like 5 full copies of the same guy
that you are playing at once
they are the peak example of Dota hero design for me
light urchin
that you are playing at once
if one of them dies they all die
they have an ability that lets them teleport to eachother
manic nimbus
Meepo is a classic smurf hero because he can utterly stomp games
light urchin
Makes sense
manic nimbus
So I feel most meepo games I have seen with the other team playing meepo have been stomps one way or the other
paper shell
I'd be down to play like a bot game or something and just chill. I've been wanting to brush up on my IO carry before I bust it out in a full game
paper shell
Ah well, seems like not, it's past my bedtime anyways
delicate jungle
yeah
glossy stratus
I am very slbepy today
viscid tapir
sleepy lark
AKA
slark
glossy stratus
Can Dark Pact dispel Insomnia?
vapid ledge
bane's nightmare? or insomnia insomnia?
glossy stratus
The latter lol
vapid ledge
sry to hear that
gritty sparrow
I have a friend who is high level on meepo
It's very funny
No one knows how to play against it
manic nimbus
yeah I know a really good meepo too
the intresting thing is meepo kinda cleans up so much farm it gets unmanagable super fast
but if you do manage it, the rest of its team is so poor
cursive wing
Dig and megameepo make it really hard to focus one down
devout juniper
I had meepo explained to me and I’m afraid
Lost Vikings in hots intimidated me enough
karmic grove
rts heroes look like a lot of fun but the micro for them also looks hellish. I like the idea of chen but I don't think I could actually pull off using him :v
cursive wing
meepo has had a lot of changes in the last few years that makes him a lot easier
there was a change to make chainpoof a lot easier to execute
also dig
a meepo is about to die? just fucking ostrich
glossy stratus
rts heroes look like a lot of fun but the micro for them also looks hellish. I l...
IMO Lycan or Beastmaster are good to learn on, they have useful things you want to be doing with micro (scouting with wolves, stacking with boars) but also just sending them to bite whatever you're currently attacking is fine
And they don't have active abilities
light urchin
Broodmother looks similar in that vein
glossy stratus
Yep, Brood does much the same, her spiders are just a little more independent
(They're also a massive pain to scout at maximum effectiveness with but nobody expects you to do so, there's like 3 players in the world who get anywhere close to it)
cursive wing
broodmother with bloodthorn is fucking broken
brood is a hero that can win on draft phase
paper shell
She's a little less like that now since she moved off of being a mid hero
but she's very much a hero whom if not accounted for in draft will win games
glossy stratus
Nothing more miserable than being a single-target support in a game with a last-pick Brood
Time to get run down by spiderlings any time you leave the base!
light urchin
me and my girls on our way to autoattack you to death
manic nimbus
it does crazy damage yeah
but its a huge item to farm
and is dispellable
I have had a few broods try and rush it and crash and burn
karmic grove
brood looks fun (she's in the weird bug zone) Idk if I can play her pos1 though, I tend to play pos1 or pos5
My ass is either powerfarming or not touching the creeps at all
glossy stratus
I'm not sure if she's more usually a 1 or 3 right now, but yeah, she's definitely one of those heroes that wants to be mixing fighting and farming
Ideally she takes over the enemy jungle and fights them whenever they try to get anything while farming it the rest of the time
karmic grove
maybe I'll play her next time we play as a pos1 anyway, who's gonna stop me
glossy stratus
Do it!
(Do recommend going into a demo or bot match first and setting up your controls for your spiders tho)
karmic grove
get a bit of practice in on the creep heroes innit
I've already done a bit of hotkey setup for goons just in case
glossy stratus
Now I want a mod that replaces the Spiderling's sound effects with very quiet "You got it, boss!" and the like
karmic grove
impossible creatures ass voicelines
gritty sparrow
There is a script a lot of Brood players use that automatically scatters all the spiderlings to every direction for purposes of scouting and things like that. If I recall correctly people got annoyed that Valve didn't seem to care about people scripting for that. Though Brood is largely played as 3 since a lot of pos3 heroes atm are in the "just pick a dude that is going to live in this part of the map and never leave" phase
Which Brood excels at
I do remember when she was mostly mid but I literally cannot remember the last mid brood I played against
viscid tapir
i think you can replicate that with options that tab through each spider individually
gritty sparrow
That's what I do on Rubick when I get spiders
delicate jungle
<@&877973728997294120> 1 game? possibly 2?
glossy stratus
No Dotes for me tonight probably
steel forge
I am engaging in carboard dota
Otherwise known as magic the gathering
(Not artifact sorry tom)
delicate jungle
ok
delicate jungle
i dont think so
reef parcel
manic nimbus
I think brood seems like an awkward 1
I'm not sure she scales well enough with money
glossy stratus
You definitely need to have a dedicated timing you're trying to hit
Though she does scale a lot better nowadays
glossy stratus
Probably around then, I think as long as you win by like 40 minutes you're good
Possibly Mage Slayer early as well to make it even harder to clear your spiders
olive moon
There is a script a lot of Brood players use that automatically scatters all the...
its not a script, there's some setting you can turn on that lets you tab through spiderlings. might have to use console but its all built into the dota client
maybe theres also a script but u can do that without
gritty sparrow
Ah, I see
Also on Brood 1 I think that can work in the same vein as some things like Lone Druid 1 works, if you just have a team that can group early and win before a real core like Phantom Lancer or some such gets online
But I am generally opposed to strats that will see you lose the game if you fuck up your high ground push and suddenly you rapidly begin being outscaled
manic nimbus
I just think those kinda heroes are better in mid usually
olive moon
@cursive wing what a game
olive moon
yeah, was watching your game while i make food
cursive wing
so many times i caught the antimage with a random "who would ward that" sort of ward
because i knew where that fucker was going to just feel safe
and then blink hex gaming
olive moon
you were 100% mvp
cursive wing
also every time aegis okizeme i would hold my mouse over the tombstone and just spam my hex buttons
the sniper was lastpick
i think there was a time where am and hood were hitting our last melee rax
and i invis'd in with my t4 neutral and then blink double hexed them
i fucking love blink hex
cursive wing
can anyone analyze my match history and give some tips to increase my winrate?
glossy stratus
You have a higher win rate in Ancient 1, so make sure you keep your MMR in that bracket
cursive wing
i think i should pick lion whenever possible
the games where im not lion hes banned
karmic grove
I'll be down to do some dota in a couple hours-ish if people are about
cursive wing
at 7pm est i have to do a thing
glossy stratus
I might be able to dotes in a few hours
steel forge
I would be interested in dota
delicate jungle
Perhaps
karmic grove
<@&877973728997294120> Anyone about for some? Now or soonish?
delicate jungle
shure
steel forge
Sadly I have realised that all my games getting uninstalled included dota :\
So there will be no dota for me tonight
glossy stratus
I'll not be available for likely an hour or so but I might catch game 2
paper shell
I'l love to but Im also not available for about an hour
reef parcel
till should be around in like an hour? a bit more?
karmic grove
I'm chill with pushing it an hour later if that's when folks'll be about
stark linden
i need to make food
karmic grove
Can get my arse doing some more drawing in the meantime 😎
vapid ledge
internet's very inermittent today, sorry
lucid sluice
If a slot opens up at any point hit me up! It's either y'all or the ranked mines 
reef parcel
till just got home
let me poke him
guys we're fighting john dota and tommy salami
devout juniper
wow good luck
light urchin
holy shit
gritty sparrow
This says a lot about society
viscid tapir
lol
paper shell
viscid tapir
@delicate jungle
"Punchbunny had some pretty good bloodrite placements" - from the postgame talk
Also BS is vaguely furry-esque, so you can consider him if you ever want pos 1 :P
delicate jungle
yay
paper shell
Yeah you owned me in a teamfight one time
delicate jungle
i mean i dont ONLY play furry chars but like, they get bonus points ig
if i wanna 1 id play PA
viscid tapir
fair
paper shell
Was very fun
reef parcel
john dota himself and his iconic line "every dot has its a"
forgot to mention that their guild was MSGA
Make Sex Gay Again
steel forge
holy shit lmao
light urchin
fucking incredible
lucid sluice
cursive wing
i have conceived a new way to disrespect opponents in postgame chat
i tell them that i would like to dedicate a piece of classical music to their gameplay, a song which describes their deadliess on the battlefield and how fiercely they fought "entry of the gladiators"
reef parcel
Czech composer Julius Fučík wrote the march on October 17,[2] 1897, in Sarajevo, where he had been stationed as military bandmaster of the Austro-Hungarian Army since 1897. Originally, he called the piece Grande Marche Chromatique. The march demonstrates the state of the art in playing technology and the construction of brass instruments, which allowed fast and even chromatic gears in all instruments and positions. Fučík was so impressed by the description of a gladiator appearance in a Roman amphitheater in Henryk Sienkiewicz's 1895 novel Quo Vadis that he soon changed the title of his work. The phrase "entry of the gladiators" is known in two descriptions of Pompeii in 1877 and is probably older.
oh my god
it wasn't meant to be funny?!
steel forge
nope!
IIRC it was then used by circuses as a joke, then people only heard it in circuses
and now it's circus music
reef parcel
smh roman empire fans
steel forge
I will say I don't know how it was ever supposed to be taken seriously
reef parcel
same?!
light urchin
yeah this is pretty clown music
reef parcel
<@&877973728997294120> hey guys, till is awake and I have today off. who wants to defend some geezers
cursive wing
what
steel forge
oh dang I'm just starting neb
cursive wing
hi
stark linden
I'd love to
cursive wing
i'll have you know i won two ranked games today
steel forge
if yall do a game 2 I'd be intrigued
delicate jungle
Mayb a bit later for me but yeah
reef parcel
oh dang I'm just starting neb
yeah sorry we even discussed neb as an option but apparently it's extra unstable on till's pc right now
cursive wing
i think coordinator is down
reef parcel
he's getting a new pc next week
glossy stratus
Well if you're still playing in like... 3 hours I can join lol
reef parcel
you guys have fun o/
steel forge
yeah sorry we even discussed neb as an option but apparently it's extra unstable...
haha no no no worries
reef parcel
oh let me check the coordinator
manic nimbus
no no no,
glossy stratus
no n,o no
steel forge
so true, thank you everyone
for those wondering what we're playing with in this neb game
glossy stratus
n,o looks like a mosquito winking
reef parcel
no, no, no no no?
glossy stratus
for those wondering what we're playing with in this neb game
Powerful
reef parcel
okay it looks like the coordinator is back up. I guess I'll wander into activity 2
karmic grove
I'm also about
karmic grove
That was a dota game, damn
We lost but I don't think you can get much more down to the wire than that
reef parcel
yeah it was a great game
honestly it should not have been that close, I messed up a lot early on
when I started doing my job we started winning
it all came down to the sniper
karmic grove
If there's anything you can put trust in, its the hubris of a sniper
dying to tormentor was pretty funny
manic nimbus
yeah
karmic grove
having a net worth a good 10k above anyone on the enemy team is pretty good for my ego too 😎
Champion of hitting weird creatures in the jungle for 40 minutes
Also weaver is quickly becoming my favourite carry, they feel quite versatile with the stealth, swarm and oopsie move. I will have to try some other carries beyond them and jugg though, get a better view of stuff
honest meteor
No ping but if folks want to play more tonight, I’m free! I’m on the couch catching up on Mashle.
delicate jungle
PL isn’t too hard right?
honest meteor
IMO not really. No skill shots or anything. It’s all about your items and how you engage.
delicate jungle
Ok
I want to summon the power of my stand, [THE BOYS]
Alternatively, [THE ‘92 BULLS]
manic nimbus
PL is probably worth testing in a bot game
you do wnat some hotkeys for do stuff with all controlled units
and to get a little familiar with them
delicate jungle
I’ll ask @lucid sluice
I just have to work up the courage to play a 1
I like PL as a character, he’s just an RTS hero and a 1
lucid sluice
Still at work 😦
delicate jungle
That’s fair, I was just curious how you have your controls for PL set up
light urchin
PL isn't actually very RTS
you don't need to do much with your illusions besides 'select all' and 'click guy'
manic nimbus
he isn't super rts but you do need to I think have a setup thats illusions hit this gu
that doesn't involve you hitting them too
light urchin
Yee
manic nimbus
bc sometimes you want to run and have your dudes hit them
or to send them off to farm or something
lucid sluice
1 button for the main PL, 1 for everyone but main guy, and 1 for manta illusions but really you do just need "select all" unless you're tryna be fancy
manic nimbus
yeah that sounds right
light urchin
There's no funky tactics or splitpushing with his crew
delicate jungle
I’d assume you want diffusal blade then manta pretty much always going into mid game?
light urchin
You just sorta jujitsu at people
honest meteor
Lmfao
honest meteor
Yeah diffusal is a natural pick - especially if you want to prey on picks. If PL catches you with a DB, you’re basically dead.
But in a fight? Ehhhh.
Comes down to style IMO.
manic nimbus
with diffusal first seeming to happen more in losing games
while agh in good games
which makes it seem like the more desperation / I need to fight now / etc item
honest meteor
DOTA looks to not reward snowballs too much these days, so yeah, my gut says aim more towards Third Period.
delicate jungle
What is pls scepter again?
glossy stratus
PL isn’t too hard right?
Mechanically PL isn't that hard, although you do need to have decent reactions to use Doppelganger well. IMO PL is a bit hard to pick up as a new player though because doppel being a dispel and banish, plus being dependent upon Manta which is the same, takes a fair bit of knowledge to use
lucid sluice
But he is very fun
manic nimbus
scepter gives the spirit lance two bounces and makes the illusions it makes better
delicate jungle
Ok
manic nimbus
the build looks to me like
agh -> diffusal -> manta -> bloodthorn usually but sometimes heart or butters or disperser or something
honest meteor
Would folks want to get some <@&877973728997294120> going in 15?
lucid sluice
I'll hop in to spectate when I get home
delicate jungle
1 button for the main PL, 1 for everyone but main guy, and 1 for manta illusions...
i guess you set this up with control groups or something?
cursive wing
Would folks want to get some <@&877973728997294120> going in 15?
i think so
honest meteor
Okay logging in now.
Haha, looks like I missed the big dota call. nw nw.
Okay, gonna solo queue but will stream in case anyone is gtg!
honest meteor
nothing is real and we're slave to society
<@&877973728997294120> want to play?\
honest meteor
np np np
karmic grove
Might give clinkz a shot next, looks like another sneaky shooty type in the vein of weaver
karmic grove
I like simplicity a lot, I'm playing on moderate ping in the US so I can't do any incredible mechanical stuff anyway, and a simple kit lets me focus more on fundamentals like farming, positioning, that sort of thing
Not that I'd be able to do any incredible mechanical stuff on low ping either 😏
reef parcel
I like simplicity a lot, I'm playing on moderate ping in the US so I can't do an...
yeah dota is pretty complex even without a vast hero kit
I used to play skeleton king / wraith king when I did pos 1, and the old meme was that he has only one active: the simplest active in the game (unit target stun)
but I was still running around with a blink dagger and that endgame meteor hammer neutral item at the time
fallen sky
light urchin
I need a specific level of mechanical texture to what I play
karmic grove
yeah dota is pretty complex even without a vast hero kit
Yeah, I actually try and limit the number of active items I buy to 3 most of the time just because if I get more of them I'm almost certain I'll forget to use them and give up a notable bit of power
It's not a hard rule, though. If I'm playing support I'll usually get more, trying to focus on the high impact items
steel forge
part of the reason I like sand king/tidehunter is that if all else fails, hitting all my buttons after blinking in and ulting probably won't be abd
light urchin
sand king rocks
steel forge
sand king's great
karmic grove
Sand king is very cool, I played him a fair bit years ago when I started dota
light urchin
I have a soft spot for stealth champs in general it seems
steel forge
I don't really think he's a stealth champ tbh
light urchin
Well, no, but he uses bastard camouflage tactics
karmic grove
The only thing I've noticed changing about him is he can run around his sandstorm while channeling it and the sandstorm has a way clearer border
light urchin
Which is good enough in my book
steel forge
The only thing I've noticed changing about him is he can run around his sandstor...
sandstorm's just like, an aura that you put up
light urchin
I love playing like a rat
steel forge
and it follows you around
karmic grove
Used to be something you channeled in place for and then it took like a second or two to fade out once you stopped channeling
light urchin
Nah, you pop it and then it just happens and you wander around in it
steel forge
I imagine it probably was worse to be in then
light urchin
I think leaving the zone cancels it early unless it got changed again since I've played
steel forge
then again being it in with the scepter is playing stun roulette
steel forge
I think leaving the zone cancels it early unless it got changed again since I've...
yeah, it does
it moves around, but pretty slowly at low levels
viscid tapir
that sounds less great
yeah it was not particularly engaging gameplay of "channel sandstorm for 45 seconds"
steel forge
I can imagine lol
karmic grove
then again being it in with the scepter is playing stun roulette
I think back then sceptre just made his ult last longer, also a bunch of heroes didn't have any sceptre effect at all :v
steel forge
amazing
viscid tapir
gave you time to work on your Sandstorm impression
viscid tapir
I think back then sceptre just made his ult last longer, also a bunch of heroes ...
For a bit SK's scepter doubled the range of Burrowstrike
viscid tapir
yeah
karmic grove
Oh right, that might have been it
Yeah you could get some obscene range initiations
steel forge
old sandstorm I presume did more than a bit of damage?
karmic grove
Nah it was still kinda piddly
steel forge
damn
karmic grove
There was some very scuffed stuff back then. Slardar's bash was just a % chance thing, same with PA's mega crit
steel forge
There was some very scuffed stuff back then. Slardar's bash was just a % chance ...
????
horrible
reef parcel
there were a lot of just kinda sad old abilities on old heroes who were a bit dripless for years
viscid tapir
There was some very scuffed stuff back then. Slardar's bash was just a % chance ...
Slardar's ability names were:
- Sprint
- Crush
- Bash
- Amplify Damage
karmic grove
Old slardar lol
karmic grove
He looked like a sad sock puppet
reef parcel
he looked like a fucking slug too
one of the best buffs they gave him is they just made him hot
and like, renamed his abilities
viscid tapir
he looked like a fucking slug too
he got gender affirming surgery (removed the anglerfish light)
reef parcel
warlock is so much better now
like till kicks the shit out of entire enemy teams with him now, but the whole imp summoning mini mechanic is like wholly new
within the last 2 years
shadow word is one of his like 'old' abilities that never got changed
karmic grove
like till kicks the shit out of entire enemy teams with him now, but the whole i...
Till was obscene that game
reef parcel
and it's still really sad
viscid tapir
I think it's fine, it's good regen and the AoE talent lets it substitute channeling upheaval to push lanes
steel forge
he got gender affirming surgery (removed the anglerfish light)
esca-destructive gender affiriming surgery
(yes I did look up what the light is called)
but also damn he was so scrungly
not in a good way though
karmic grove
Oh yeah and then there was old invoker with 27 spells
And also just how generally obtuse everything was
Its so much clearer now, being able to see stacking boxes for camps is great
reef parcel
viscid tapir
Its so much clearer now, being able to see stacking boxes for camps is great
what, you didn't like having to measure tower range by "there's a rock here, and a pile of bones here that indicate the radius"?
reef parcel
dota has a lot of speedrunner energy
steel forge
the alt view is great, I just wish there was a way to tell if you were close enough to creeps to get xp from their deaths in a way other than vibes
and practice
mainly practice
karmic grove
I always feel so sad when I'm zoned away from farm
reef parcel
the alt view is great, I just wish there was a way to tell if you were close eno...
alt view over your hero's exp bar iirc
karmic grove
looking on with a tear in my eye as I am prevented from getting the gold 😔
reef parcel
the alt view is great, I just wish there was a way to tell if you were close eno...
as a rule literally everything can be queried with alt
just hunt around
glossy stratus
it moves around, but pretty slowly at low levels
Wait wtf Sandstorm moves now?!?
reef parcel
sandstorm is kinda cool now
glossy stratus
Wild
I'm not a fan of all the changes Dota's made ("everyone has to have damage" irks me) but it has improved so much
reef parcel
tbh "everyone has to deal damage" is partly just a way to get everyone to interact with blink
glossy stratus
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure it tends to be more damage than needed for that
You only need what, 50 damage every 3s to cancel Blink?
While Bane is over here dealing 270 damage with Enfeeble for some reason
Oh huh apparently any damage disables Blink, thought there was a threshold
reef parcel
any damage at all yeah
steel forge
Wait wtf Sandstorm moves now?!?
yeah it just follows you around
I want to say 100 units/second?
there's a level ten talent that either adds 50 or doubles it, I don't recall
glossy stratus
Taking your pet Sandstorm for walkies
cursive wing
I used to play skeleton king / wraith king when I did pos 1, and the old meme wa...
there was a patch where his crit was an instant 20% max hp nuke that healed you for the damage it dealt it was absurd
lucid sluice
He needed it
manic nimbus
Might give clinkz a shot next, looks like another sneaky shooty type in the vein...
clinkz is more of an ambush dude but similar ish
tries to burst people down instantly
karmic grove
<@&877973728997294120> Anyone up for some dota? Either now or a little later
lucid sluice
I could dote
reef parcel
Till just finished neb and has a prior engagement in 50 minutes so no dota for us for now
delicate jungle
Shit I just went out for food will be back soon tho
glossy stratus
I'm grabbing a bite and some exercise , might join later though
karmic grove
Solid, I'll ping again in 30 then, see who's about
delicate jungle
ok im back
karmic grove
Alright, who's about. 3 with me, punch and jenny. Maybe a couple more people about to make it a 5?
delicate jungle
ok thats 5
stark linden
stark linden
no no im the 4th
glossy stratus
Jenny is 4th, LowSkill is MIA
delicate jungle
rows are positions
devout juniper
If there is time/interest in a training game I’d be up to learn
Maybe a bit later though, I’m busy atm
karmic grove
As far as neutral items go, I really like getting safety bubble on weaver as my first one. It recharges quickly enough that it's usually back up as you run between camps, and just keeps you way healthier in the jungle. I got some really good value early on when slardar hit 6 just training in the jungle for a while
Didn't quite hit my goal of 10cs a minute though
glossy stratus
I think you probably want to go a different build to hit that reliably
Deso and shard earlier
Not actually sure how Deso compares to Maelstrom in terms of farm speed on Weaver
karmic grove
I feel like maelstrom is so good for flash farming creep waves when they roll up that I don't really want to give it up
glossy stratus
Shard does a ton for your farm speed though
Maelstrom is definitely solid, I suspect it's a bit faster than Deso for creep waves and a bit slower for jungle
karmic grove
shard definitely looks like a good one
glossy stratus
Don't fall into the "I'll eventually get it from Tormentor" trap
(They say, as someone who falls into that trap constantly)
karmic grove
I don't fall for that, I fall for the 'I'll buy it eventually' trap
I gotta get boots first, though, and wand. Falcon blade, obviously. Gotta get my farming item first, too, and lance. bkb for teamfights. Skadi and deso. You know, may as well pop moonshard too
And all of a sudden its 60 minutes and I still haven't gotten it
glossy stratus
Ah, I very much don't fall into that because it means I get to keep my cheap stat items for longer
If I have boots, falcon blade, wand, 3x wraith band, I'm already torn between the sensible choice of selling one band for deso/maelstrom and keeping the delicious stats just a few moments longer
karmic grove
I'm loathe to buy wraith bands, lol. I want to get my farming item asap
glossy stratus
But that's the trick, wraith bands are a farming item
(Definitely a balance to be struck though. You want enough cheap stat items to do well in lane but not so many it puts you appreciably behind in farm)
I prefer to lean heavier on cheap stat items since it means you're more able to join early fights and harder to gank, but that's prefernce
karmic grove
While you were joining early fights, I was studying the blade hitting creeps in the jungle
Yeah, very much a playstyle thing it seems
glossy stratus
Partly playstyle partly just game-dependent
Some games the fights are close enough that you can tip them (or your team is getting run over enough you can't afford to avoid them) and you come out well ahead in terms of gold
But it's always a gamble to leave your lane/jungle
karmic grove
Yeah, I'm usually fairly risk averse so I'll be picking the 'stay in lane and farm' option 9 times out of 10
glossy stratus
Definitely reasonable
Get good enough at farming and good enough at winning the late game with that farm and you can go pro
Because there are absolutely P1s who never fight before 20m
devout juniper
@reef parcel wanna game??
reef parcel
<@140921736588689408> wanna game??
oh!
yeah I can game
wanna strive?
oh derp
wrong channel haha
devout juniper
if ur up for an intro dota game!
manic nimbus
I do think the way the game is going determines how much pos1s have to fight really
some games are slow and farmy
some games you desperately need the bodies
but its almost always worth them watching the fights and at least considering if you can clean up or such
glossy stratus
There's definitely some fights you should always be joining
If they're diving your mid T2 at 10 minutes it's a rare game where teleporting in with the rest of your team to clean up is not a good call
cursive wing
weaver shard is insanely powerful
a big drawback of your invis is that you don't get to attack, so getting a free attack on everyone you tag is absurd
especially because you can just do three attacks on some poor fool with geminate and shard
karmic grove
definitely something I'll try and work into my build next time I play then
manic nimbus
yeah shard is super good
paper shell
T_T
cursive wing
new high score
viscid tapir
bot game
vapid ledge
AWWW
does silence not interrupt TP?
(it doesn't, my NS walked up to them with W on and didn't interrupt
glossy stratus
Nope, have to stun or root for that unfortunately
I think the Q has a ministun?
On Night Stalker
vapid ledge
at night
but also i think it was on cd when the portal started and wouldn't be off cd soon enough
glossy stratus
TP out is a powerful ability
It gives several heroes a sad
(Hi there, Bristle!)
reef parcel
till is awake, we're probably gonna dota in a bit
delicate jungle
till is awake, we're probably gonna dota in a bit
okie
reef parcel
LOL @manic nimbus
I wanna try more puck
I think my OD is just solid at this point
time to expand
reef parcel
<@&877973728997294120> doterz
stark linden
dotes
near plank
doot
reef parcel
cecile wanan play or spectate
near plank
yall have 5 already right
glossy stratus
I can hop into game 2 hopefully
stark linden
sleeb well!
karmic grove
Oh yeah just want to shout out that completely obscene chain save you did on me. Voring and boxing me must have been so annoying for them to deal with.
reef parcel
haha I did the box and the force staff
gritty sparrow
A meme, definitely not good strat but a funny one me and my friend were doing
reef parcel
it was theyflower who did the vore
gritty sparrow
Playing Viper/Kotl off lane and both building Dagon
A quick and easy way to make people really just not want to play Dota against me
reef parcel
@cursive wing thank you for voring me so often I kept assuming I was dead but I was safe and sound in your gullet
karmic grove
Yeah lol those were so clutch
vapid ledge
which hero's got vore power in dota....
karmic grove
pudge
vapid ledge
ah
steel forge
that’s why the card game isn’t copyright infringement
No vore, just a big hook
Legally distinct
reef parcel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHKWURlzTCw @manic nimbus @stark linden @cursive wing @delicate jungle
karmic grove
woah wombo combo
Oh yeah kinda funny to me that league also has a healthstacking character with good duelling ability a skillshot which can pull enemies and a vore move
vapid ledge
i was expecting a coil but this is also very pog
manic nimbus
that game was a pretty brutal stomp tbh
mars feels so strong when you are doing well
paper shell
new high score
new development in number go up record setting
cursive wing
is that arteezy
reef parcel
This is a reoccurring problem. It’s gotten so bad that I tell women “I mid sniper khanda rush” so they will stop hitting on me all the time.
this poor man
cursive wing
khanda riki actually did feel really good
i think it's probably a great 4th item
but diffu first is so amazing, yasha is great stats, aghs makes you farm so much faster and also makes tricks do so much more damage
and you probably are going to get manta from yasha because it's also really good
but riki loves having critical hits so much
karmic grove
Khanda seems like such a weird item
Boosting spells and crit seems at a glance like the kind of thing two different heroes would want to do. I'm sure there are heroes it works for, just looks a bit odd :v
vapid ledge
sounds like a fairly useful weapon for lina
viscid tapir
she only really gets it with her ult, which is already a pretty big nuke
there's some weirdos like Clinkz who like it
I believe in the Riki recommend
Omni likes it with hammer of purity
glossy stratus
I'm a bit dubious of it in games where you're not super far ahead on Riki
viscid tapir
yeah
but riki's ult is kind of designed to let him get super far ahead now
glossy stratus
But boosting his ability to quickly kill a support doesn't seem bad
My question is just if it's better than a full Daedelus
manic nimbus
> This is a reoccurring problem. It’s gotten so bad that I tell women “I mid sni...
I did actually play with a guy that kept getting hit on by women in dota games
like it happened a few times
he was gay lmao
and kinda irritated by it
vapid ledge
lmao dude accidentally got rizz
reef parcel
he was gay lmao
LOL
vapid ledge
voice i assume
light urchin
I mean I guess?
reef parcel
haha imagine finding your longest relationship ever through the dota2 subreddit
imagine
vapid ledge
eh, you'd be surprised (i have my only romantic relationship starting from a chinese web novel's equivalent of a subreddit)
reef parcel
dawei I actually did that
vapid ledge
oh
reef parcel
7 years
vapid ledge
12 on my end
vapid ledge
4 years of non-romantic before that
immigration application filed and is now up to uscis to work their thing
manic nimbus
yeah he has a really sexy voice apparently
women would keep talking about it and trying to get him to talk more
so yeah voice
light urchin
hahaa
cursive wing
FUCK
WE HAD PUDGE NECRO BUT DIDNT DO THE THING
necro even had aghs
pudge's vore healing is applied as a +hp regen buff based on their max hp
which means it increases the damage aura from necro aghs
stark linden
lol
light urchin
hahaah
lucid sluice
every Nyx game i have i grow a little stronger
If you are a support I will find you
lucid sluice
bit late but i'll check nonetheless, anyone down for some <@&877973728997294120> ?
delicate jungle
Perhaps
glossy stratus
Alas, just finished my one Dota for the night
lucid sluice
fairfair
glossy stratus
(AD pro tip: Don't get Global Silence on SF, he does not have the mana pool to use it early)
(Though the game went well anyway)
lucid sluice
what else did you have on him?
glossy stratus
Shadow Raze, Grave Chill, Overload
lucid sluice
fun
glossy stratus
Does it beat out Mystic Flare?
cursive wing
oh its tied
glossy stratus
Ah, same cost at level 1, Flare is more expensive later
Global Silence only costs 150 more mana per level
lucid sluice
how much is flare at lvl3?
karmic grove
800 right?
glossy stratus
Yup
lucid sluice
800 right?
in THIS economy?
glossy stratus
Which is why Skywrath is very sad vs Pugna
karmic grove
in THIS economy?
Its fine, skywrath is a high int hustler with mana to burn
lucid sluice
the real highest mana cost ulti is storm spirit if you're not a coward
viscid tapir
ogre aghs also can go pretty high
vapid ledge
ah
gritty sparrow
Funnily enough this is why I sometimes just avoid stealing certain spells on Rubick
I steal Mystic Flare I might do some funny damage with that and a telekinesis into it and then I'm tapped outta juice for the rest of the fight
His recent int per level increase prevents that a tad bit, so I don't feel like I'm trolling as much by taking QoP ult, but it's still rough
karmic grove
<@&877973728997294120> Anyone down to play in like an hour-ish?
steel forge
I could dote then
delicate jungle
shure
lucid sluice
i can!
glossy stratus
I can hopefully catch game 2
delicate jungle
@steel forge
gritty sparrow
I was trying to guess the support based on just the items and thought it was veno
Think that might be a bit outdated, Hood isn't really as much a backline caster item now that it's centered on just you
delicate jungle
maybe
gritty sparrow
Er, Veil I mean
frozen birchBOT
Oh yeah Meepo’s fun like that
manic nimbus
Wasd camera is apparently ideal
glossy stratus
Makes sense but also oh no that would be so hard to get used to
Especially since I assume you move a bunch of abilities/item slots to your mouse
paper shell
Honestly the lack of boots is a bit of a giveaway thinking about it
Luckily they don’t have feet so they don’t need boots
glossy stratus
Oh I was going to guess Weaver due to bootlessness but they have feet
...I think, I can't say I've examined their legs that closely
lucid sluice
What's a good way to understand hero matchups? I understand most heroes mechanically enough to play them (bad internet and 100s of hours of bot games will do wonders) but I have a real problem with picking heroes into just terrible matchups.
Some of it may just be needing to slow down and think more at draft, but if there's a way of learning more in depth I'd love to know
paper shell
Playing one hero a lot will give you intimate knowledge. Otherwise it’s know what a hero’s game plan is. Then also knowing what game plans conflict with that
So for example. Ancient apparition is a counter to many heros who focus on healing. This is because his ult turns off healing almost entirely meaning a large aspect of those heros who rely on healing a lot are completely shut down. A good example is huskar.
It can be more nuanced than that too. With smaller interactions but that’s always the general idea
Earthshaker likes to have lots of things to hit with his echoslam, illusion heros can struggle against him, especially PL
It can also come down to what items heros like to buy too
A hero who likes to buy butterfly often because it provides good stats is going to do less well against heroes who naturally buy maelstrom or mkb compared to heroes who don’t
There are some good heros to counter stuff in general which is honestly just memorizing the list
Viper is good against heroes who rely on passives
Silencer is great against big team fight ults, especially enigma
Bounty is good again other invisibility heros
Anti mage for Medusa
Lifestealer for big tanky strength heros
AA for healing
Earthshaker for zoo/illusion heros
Dazzle also for illusion stuff
lucid sluice
Thanks! In my years of playing this game, I've really just been doing it completely on my own and it's felt like fumbling in the dark.
paper shell
There’s a lot to hero matchups especially considering how many heros there are
Think critically about what a hero’s gameplan is is the best way to consider counters. However some counters are less intuitive than others
lucid sluice
Being able to talk and coordinate (god actually coordinating with a team is a new experience) has really taught me a lot and has been more enjoyable
paper shell
It opens a whole new door playing coordinated dota for sure
A good example of an unintuitive counter is the axe dazzle matchup
People like to think that axe is strong against dazzle because culling blade goes through shallow grave
However axe greatly struggles against dazzle in lane and when axe has a hard lane he has a very hard time staying relevant in the game
Similar to that fighting game meme, a skilled dazzle beats an axe every time
Most matchups while hard can be played around
But why not give yourself every advantage you can get
paper shell
Guess the hero 🙂
||the hero was io 😛||
lucid sluice
But why not give yourself every advantage you can get
And I really enjoy playing with you and other higher level players, but no need to make it harder on myself while I do it
So this helps
paper shell
Realistically, the only person who gets to really pick based on matchups is last pick
Though 2nd phase picks can counter some picks. However it can be dangerous to get baited into countering a first phase pick. When maybe that pick is an unconventional one and you’re stuck playing a counter to a hero who’s low impact anyways or the gameplan you counter isn’t the gameplan they’re doing somehow
I value playing with people on comfortable heroes over counter picks always
vapid ledge
What's a good way to understand hero matchups? I understand most heroes mechanic...
oh hey same situation
manic nimbus
I think matchups you learn more by experience than anything
paper shell
Thats the tldr of all that I typed
manic nimbus
other than the obvious counters as mentioned
I think there are also some heroes that counter a lack of capability
if the enemy team lacks lockdown the spirits can go wild
aoe some illusion carries
etc
paper shell
This was one I wanted to mention
Solid lock down counters “escape” heroes
Such as the spirits
And puck and qop
My advice is probably still, get good at your gameplan before you worry about the enemy teams gameplan
manic nimbus
yeah though learning matchups can partially be just learning drafting and picking
strong lanes are important
having diving heroes against kiting heroes
(sniper is the big one there, you want to be able to go kill him)
making sure the team has at least one bulky core or at least a semi one and a bulky support
paper shell
Knowing the heroes that demand answers is the best way
Meepo, huskar, brood etc
and going from there
Sniper, spirits, antimage, medusa
The ones who when left unchecked will do the most damage are the matchups to know first
manic nimbus
Yeah
and just getting a kinda feel for what teams have or lack
watching pro games can help too since casters often discuss it
reef parcel
paper shell
Really liked the High ground ones for sieging
paper shell
I knew there was a reason I resonated with the creator
reef parcel
stark linden
Wasd camera is apparently ideal
clearly i should play meepo then
stark linden
Makes sense but also oh no that would be so hard to get used to
i moved my abilities to 123e, it feels pretty natural, but im open to better suggestions too
wasd camera does feel like a huge advantage tho, i can target abilities and look around at the same time
cursive wing
Viper is good against heroes who rely on passives
Silencer is great against big ...
lifestealer only really beats other str dudes in a pure 1v1. if there's other heroes they can interfere pretty easily once rage is expires. with rage giving a ton of movespeed and getting lots of passive attackspeed+slow on hit from ghoul frenzy he actually ends up being more well suited towards bursting down squishy disablers during rage.
gritty sparrow
https://hard-drive.net/hd/video-games/oh-thank-god-your-teammate-was-just-born-i...
Lmao
I feel this one in my bones
God of course the image is an antimage with that name
karmic grove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyRIIRDB2fs
new spots for me to maybe think about while hitting creeps 
gritty sparrow
karmic grove
lol
karmic grove
Anyone about for a dota game?
viscid tapir
Anyone about for a dota game?
<@&877973728997294120> anyone up to defend of the ancients?
delicate jungle
sure
stark linden
thats 5 👀
glossy stratus
as seems to be usual, I'll be there for game 2 lol
glossy stratus
paper shell
I could play a game if theres space
reef parcel
we don't have a space at the moment
paper shell
ok no worries
reef parcel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CA8iTd-i0U @delicate jungle @glossy stratus @stark linden @viscid tapir
also @near plank 
oh also @karmic grove and @paper shell
damn everyone's in this
delicate jungle
Ok uh, is there any way you could not record my voice? I really don’t want it out on the internet
reef parcel
oh! my bad punch, I can take the clip down
I don't have a way of naturally separating your voice, I have one audio track for my own input, and everything from discord is another track
if you want I can unlist or delete it
@delicate jungle
reef parcel
okay
I'll ask you in advance next time I'm taking a clip that has your voice in it
I guess I can potentially just apply muting to the bits with your voice in it
hmm
not sure how easy it'll be in this clip
there are like 7 people's voices mixing
gritty sparrow
If you are taking it using discord clips, there is an option for individuals to say that their voices don't get recorded in the clips
reef parcel
sadly I'm not, I'm using nvidia
but I can maybe try the discord clip system if that lets punch opt out selectively?
gritty sparrow
I don't really know much on it sadly but that's the main thing I know
