This will make night city worse in my timeline
#Cyberpunk 2077
rough laurel
toxic prism
I'm so tempted to 100% the game
Since the only achievements I lack are the Ending ones
But I also don't really wanna do all the other endings :v
rough laurel
Local nomad becomes full borg goblin
toxic prism
Currently I've only done DFTR and gotten the Sun outcome from that
(Which gives you the Sun achievement)
finite willow
running byakko with my sandy makes me.. really, really tempted to respec to blades.
fervent lagoon
I think the trick with power weapons is that you basically ignore the ricochet mechanic
just shoot them normally
toxic prism
Yeah the main gimmick of powers is that they're uh
Guns
That shoot well
The ricochet is more of a side thing
orchid apex
running byakko with my sandy makes me.. really, really tempted to respec to blad...
Do it do it do it do it
orchid apex
You know what I just realized I've got a criminal lack of in my 2077 playing playlist?
Eurobeat
My V's combat theme be like
pulsar citrus
hey is there some secret trick to strong punches i'm not figuring out bc
i am sure strong punching this dude
and his guard is sure not breaking
toxic prism
The secret to brawling is counter attacks iirc
finite willow
the heavy attack punch is.. real weird feeling to try and do. I never got the hang of it.
acoustic mountain
gang gang
willow harness
and his guard is sure not breaking
If strong attacks ain't working, try defensive (attack while holding block)
And if that doesn't fly just stare him in the face and wait for a parry chance
pulsar citrus
If strong attacks ain't working, try defensive (attack while holding block)
And ...
right but i'm trying to figure out
why the strong attack isn't working
because the game has been very clear in teaching me that strong beats gaurd
like yeah i know how to do the parries and defenses, but i am trying to figure out why the "Just Hit Him Hard While He's Standing There Blocking" isn't kosher
willow harness
Melee is a little scuffed
You may need to do multiple heavies and on stronger enemies it might just Not Work
pulsar citrus
But its the fucking boxing side job
i would hope! the enemies! Box Correctly!
ah well, nevertheless installs gorilla arms
drifting patio
because the game has been very clear in teaching me that strong beats gaurd
Has it?
Weird. In my experience, enemy guards have been unbreakable
Even if I'm using a weapon and they're holding their fists up
pulsar citrus
the tutorial was pretty clear that, when fighting fist-to-fist, strong attack breaks guard
in every other situation Shotgun Breaks Gaurd
mostly via ragdolling some fool through the door he stepped through
severe geyser
I thought the colors being fuckdd up was part of the devil ending, like you where still recovering and your eyes where a bit fucked, no my game glitched.
Everything was all funky looking pink and blue.
orchid apex
It's a 'show off the ink' type of day
rough laurel
My mans be simple
orchid apex
That is a simple mans
You know
I just realized a killer aesthetic for a V
gonna get it together real quick
actually nah it's late lmao
severe geyser
I got Gris-Gris and its kinda disappointing. Its supposedly "fused with Sliders cyberdeck" and has got a chance to upload a quickhack, but 5 percent and it being random stink. Wish it had a higher chance and you could slot in a quickhack ala monowire.
swift mist
I thought the colors being fuckdd up was part of the devil ending, like you wher...
the final mission in any ending just.... tends to be horribly bugged for me regardless, and i don't know why
when i first beat the game i couldn't move any faster than a walk as if i was stuck in a cutscene
so i had to circlestrafe-walk around the final boss
severe geyser
So to ask again. Do we have any details on why Dex had to skip town or is it a total noodle incident?
bright granite
according to Royce he apparently ||'ruined half of Pacifica' in 2075||
severe geyser
Did a bit more digging and apparently streetkid!V can say he kicked of a gang war in Pacifica.
orchid apex
One woman car show
soft oak
Yep
Corpo V pegs him as a grifter the moment she sees him
In the sense of setting up vibes and impression to make himself seem more reliable and powerful than he actually is
soft oak
Yeah
Afterwards in call to Jackie V can mention “yeah he’s totally sus and doesn’t actually have the influence he claims. Otherwise he wouldn’t be putting on airs.”
bright granite
"Guess I'll trust him with both of our lives"
soft oak
Haha
My V constantly advised against trusting him
And was just getting pulled into it by Jackie
trail bronze
yeah dex never struck me as desperately competent
why would you hire your muscle for a percentage
bright granite
the True Ending(TM) for Nomad V is just bailing on the city the instant Jackie dies
trail bronze
why would you offer such a shit percentage when you are planning on killing your runners anyway
bright granite
never meet Dex at the motel just vroom
soft oak
And the only reason why Jackie agreed with the op is that he’s really just that desperate to break into the major leagues
That he’s willing to throw his lot in with the first shady fixer who offers him that chance
Despite being wholly unprepared for the consequences
He admits that if you keep trying to dissuade him
drifting patio
why would you offer such a shit percentage when you are planning on killing your...
Was Dex planning on killing us anyways?
orchid apex
Was T a friend of his or something?
soft oak
A good fixer doesn’t try to stir the shit too much
toxic prism
Mr Hands even mocks his inability to help with Konpeki
soft oak
Dex appears to have a habit of doing it too much and with matters that he has no business in
Like, Jackie, you, and T already worked together
What does dex even bring to the table
toxic prism
Cause Mr Hands manages to get a decent amount of info on a highly Defended fortress, while Dex can't get any info out of an upscale hotel
soft oak
Mr hands is probably the best of the shady fixer in town
Yeah
He’s shady as hell but he has a lot of sources
toxic prism
Mr Hands more relevantly is good at his job
Granted you don't become fixer of Dogtown by being an idiot
soft oak
Indeed
toxic prism
But still
soft oak
He also wants to be the criminal kingpin of night city in general I think
toxic prism
Dex isn't actually the fixer he's made out to be
soft oak
I think Mr hands can actually do it too
toxic prism
Mr Hands is admittedly an unfair comparison cause yeah
He's probably the most crafty of the fixers imo
soft oak
He’s scary, he’s got style, and now he’s got the BARGHEST on his side
toxic prism
Even before he got Barghest he could get shit done
toxic prism
And by the end he basically controls Dogtown
soft oak
Both corporate and government contacts
toxic prism
Yeah
Mr Hands is also smart enough to like
Not be a backstabber
Which may not sound like much but
Trust can go a long way
soft oak
And also not dip his hands too much into stuff that can be traced to him
toxic prism
Yeah
soft oak
He only provides intel to you for the FIA op
He doesn’t demand a cut or otherwise demand to know what they’ll be used for
toxic prism
Yeah
soft oak
He just gives you the intel and says “I’m out have fun”
toxic prism
I think he has an inkling of a suspicion
But he realizes he should stay out of it
For everyone's best interests
soft oak
He knows that whatever it’s gonna be used for it’s gonna be against Hansen’s interest
Which is to his interest
soft oak
In a manner that is not at all subtle
He doesn’t just fuck with arasaka in hindsight
He knows what he wants to steal is an item that’s a subject of a trade agreeement with Netwatch
So he also fucks with Netwatch
And he knows this!
icy pecan
The one thing that gets me about the konpeki heist is the only exit is through the front entrance with a scanner. Even if the events of yobinoru didn't happen the scanners would probably notice you're carrying a suitcase with the relic on your way out
soft oak
Compare this to padre
toxic prism
Padre in that one gig basically just immediately drops it and tells V to get the hell out and drop it too
soft oak
Who immediately tells you to gtfo and cleans his hands of the whole ordeal after you inadvertently mess with arasaka false flag op
toxic prism
For both theirs safety
soft oak
Yep
toxic prism
Honestly Mr Hands is a great example of a competent Fixer
Devious, crafty, but also helpful and trusting
Very much a mutually beneficial relationship
soft oak
Rogue is surprisingly not a great fixer
granite solstice
Mr hands is probably the best of the shady fixer in town
Hands and El Capitan strike me as the most competent in different ways
soft oak
In that she sometimes doesn’t tell you what you need to complete the job
trail bronze
he bought two suits and rented a taxi
soft oak
Yeah that’s like
trail bronze
that costs money, V!
toxic prism
I do like how involved Mr Hands is in PL
granite solstice
Rogue is surprisingly not a great fixer
One of the weird things about the game is that I found Rogue singularly unimpressive all the way throughout, but I couldn’t tell if it was deliberate or not
soft oak
The sun total of his involvement haha
toxic prism
Rogue also sold out
soft oak
Well Johnny mentions that Rogue is losing her touch
soft oak
I think years of being the Afterlife empress made her forget some of her edge
toxic prism
She was the top dog for such a long time she grew compacent
trail bronze
to be fair, what's the alternative to selling out to adam smasher
soft oak
While Mr Hands has to be competent if he wants to survive in dog town
And become the new criminal kingpin
toxic prism
Mr Hands is also generally a lot more.likable imo
granite solstice
Another interesting detail for me on replay is that Johnny seems to be incredibly accurate about reading other people. I think the first time around I sort of dismissed him as a total prick, but dude is actually incredibly insightful - and also a prick.
soft oak
Johnny’s good at reading people
toxic prism
After everything he did, the world hasn't changed much
soft oak
He’s also a terrible person who makes terrible decisions
toxic prism
Also that yeah
granite solstice
I wish we had seen more of Thompson, as an aside.
toxic prism
It's a small moment
granite solstice
Dude seemed like an incredibly cool customer.
toxic prism
But I think Mr Hands talking to his daughter adds a lot to his character despite it being one missable scene
trail bronze
'talking to his daughter'
toxic prism
I'm pretty sure he's being genuine
granite solstice
I think it’s genuine and more interesting if it is genuine.
soft oak
After talking to his daughter he uses snorting cocaine metaphor to talk about his plans to take over night city
Which I find hilarious
toxic prism
This is 2077 if you want to tell someone to zero someone else you can say that over the phone
trail bronze
you'll never know, will you
soft oak
But yeah I think he probably genuinely has a loving relationship with his daughter
toxic prism
Yeah
It's definitely an interesting but defining moment for him?
He's very professional but affable
soft oak
His previous motivation before the retcon is just getting enough money to move out of NC with his family
So I’m guessing it’s a leftover to that
toxic prism
Is he still a former Petrochem executive or did they retcon that as well?
soft oak
Dunnow
toxic prism
Regardless yeah, before PL he just wanted to play Fixer to get some money and GTFO
In PL they expand on his character a lot, in a way that is very good
While he's definitely not the most upstanding individual, he also understands working with Edgerunners is a two way street
He's willing to work things out with V
soft oak
Maybe a bit too fond of metaphors
toxic prism
Like helping the Zetatech scientist
toxic prism
Maybe a bit too fond of metaphors
Me or him? :v
soft oak
Hands
His final meeting with V is entirely an extended wizard of oz metaphor
About how you’ve now served your purpose, it’s time to go back home to NC
Here’s a severance package
granite solstice
So I haven’t finished PL yet, but I know more or less in broad strokes the choices ahead
That said, the most surprising to me so far is that
|| I went in expecting Solomon reed to be an Uber badass and instead I got the World’s Saddest Man ||
Seriously the dude || just reeks of despair. I think he comes off as very pathetic (not unsympathetically) ||
rough laurel
Sometimes I wish there was a "drive like a normal person" option kind of like how you can walk by pressing G
The fact that I can only steer at the speed limit with a controller lol
severe geyser
More games need to steal the cruise control button from Saints Row.
soft oak
I used to feel bad about running over civvies accidentally in cyberpunk
Until I witnessed Claire rolling casually over a pedestrian in a driving cutscene
Just casually and slowly crushed this guy underneath the Beast
While talking about her gender reassignment surgery or smth
rough laurel
More games need to steal the cruise control button from Saints Row.
Also the cast singing poorly together to radio songs
bright granite
The 'SING US A SONG' button in AC: Black Flag was the optimal mix of these, more games need diagetic OST
rough laurel
Truth
light anchor
Dude seemed like an incredibly cool customer.
he gets a bit more content in book writing
Thompson is actually surprisingly competent
idk why they cut him but he was part of the 2023 raid too
rough laurel
Thinking 🤔 how likely is it that ||the inconsistencies between the book stories about the Night City Holocaust and the videogame retelling aren't Johnny lying, but Morgan having managed to fuck with the end results of the engram somehow||? You know, given there's ||implied hints he's still alive||.
Not PL but main plot related
granite solstice
idk why they cut him but he was part of the 2023 raid too
I believe he’s there but Johnny completely ignores him.
granite solstice
Thinking 🤔 how likely is it that ||the inconsistencies between the book stories...
I think it’s very possible, but I prefer the idea that || the inconsistencies are a symptom of how narcissistic (can’t spell sorry) Johnny is at first ||
rough laurel
The good ol "nobody is a reliable narrator" angle
Plus with the damage to Johnny's engram ||"It's a mistake made by his AI splicing missing memory gaps together"|| is always a possibility too
And ||Adam Smasher just doesn't care enough to recount the events accurately||
rough laurel
I think he's the one who mentioned ||splitting Johnny in half with his gun pretty much immediately|| too
soft oak
Yeah there’s even inaccuracies in game compared to Johnny’s recollections haha
light anchor
I think he's the one who mentioned ||splitting Johnny in half with his gun prett...
yeah this part is canon
rough laurel
That's why part of me thinks the part ||after the timeskip to the roof|| is ||stuff that got added in by our third "legend who's fate after 2023 was a mystery"||.
Intentionally or just a byproduct of data corruption or something else, Iunno
toxic prism
Alt outright mentions his recollections are biased and innaccurate
drifting patio
Alt outright mentions his recollections are biased and innaccurate
"The dead do not lie"
icy pecan
Said by a living person
toxic prism
Also Alts a literal blackwall AI and was one of the best netrunners when she was alive, and also made the soulkiller
I trust her
gilded vale
The dead may not lie but they can only tell the truth they know
rough laurel
I have met some very untrustworthy skeletons in my day
You want me to think you ALL died in the bathroom nice story
soft oak
If dead cannot lie why is Saburo in the relic a normal human being and not a lizard man vampire from andromeda
Check mate truthers!
icy pecan
I trust Gary he'd never lie to me
severe geyser
The NDI Osprey lies. It is not a sniper rifle. It is an autocannon.
orchid apex
Candy Blood Cherry Bomb
severe geyser
oh yeah where is that
The safehouse under the moth, its always available
orchid apex
Not
Not if you shoot Reed dead lmao
I have literally tried and the elevator scanned me and told me to fuck off
XD
orchid apex
also switching to the violet hair color with the black sclera eyes with white pupils works
granite solstice
I have literally tried and the elevator scanned me and told me to fuck off
Should be a back door.
granite solstice
PL complete.
That was incredible.
I chose || to side with Song, even after she revealed there was only ever one cure. My V, instead of bitterness, recognized that this was what they could become if all they cared about, all they ever prioritized, was their survival. That, and they saw Song as a victim of Myers, of Reed, of the NUSA. So I chose all the most gentle, least bitter options I could until the end. Shot Reed in the head. ||
Oh, and did all of that dressed up as Agent K. Felt appropriate.
orchid apex
I chose || to side with Song, even after she revealed there was only ever one cu...
||My V was a little bitter, but sided with Song anyway out of a mix of 'well I can't exactly unstep out of the shit I'm in with the NUSA', a feeling that yeah, Song was used as a weapon and a victim of Myers, regardless of whether at first Songbird breached the Wall willingly, and a begrudging respect for being played.||
||Also shot Reed in the head, though that was more out of a professional desire for a clean kill than as a mercy.||
severe geyser
||FUCK THIS EXPANSION IS GOOD. Both Song and Reed gave perfectly understandable points of view and it's heartbreakingly tragic it can't just... work out for both of them.||
orchid apex
||Reed I think just sorta ‘shuts off’ in a rly interesting way if you pick Song. In front of you he’s all business, and in his business that includes skullduggery.||
||I can’t help but feel a weird ‘cool motive, still murder’ esque emotion to how he tries to get you to hand over Song at NCX tho.||
||Like no bro, your cards are on the table and they all say ‘if Song is handed over to Myers I know she’s fucked in a way that I think is unjust but don’t have the balls to admit.’||
||And this either means you think I have no principles, or you’re kind of a coward.||
finite willow
2.02 patch notes are out. Highlights for me are vehicle contract timers getting a balance pass, and the Malorian got buffed back up https://www.cyberpunk.net/en/news/49378/patch-2-02
orchid apex
Still not re-Borged which is disappointing
willow harness
Crafting specs for iconic items will now disappear after crafting them
Guh
Bwuh
Why
orchid apex
I guess to prevent accidental duplication?
toxic prism
Or keep making them and selling them
icy pecan
It makes sense, you're only supposed to have one of each iconic
I found it odd you can make multiple headmans shotguns
willow harness
I dunno, I just don't like it really
I know I've sold a gun I assumed I'd never use before, and then respec and find myself really wanting it, or what have you
icy pecan
A solution I could think of is to have a vendor to sell sold iconic weapons
willow harness
A solution I could think of is to have a vendor to sell sold iconic weapons
There is that!
In the paid DLC
icy pecan
I think if you sell a iconic at a vendor it doesn't show up at the pl one
I've never tried selling an iconic
I just know you can't dismantle one
gilded vale
Could also be that selling an iconic gives you no money but gives you back the crafting recipe
Why you would do that I don't know
But it means you can't have duplicates and you always have them available
finite willow
```Crafting specs for iconic items will now disappear after crafting them```
Guh...
Yeah, I don't love this change. But I guess I sort of get the logic behind it? In that they're trying to lock you to only having one of an iconic at a time. Still a clumsy way to do it.
orchid apex
My game is still patching l m a o
I started last night, but I forgot it was patching so put my computer into sleep both last night and when I went to work
so
F
severe geyser
What if cyberdecks where weapons instead of cyberware?
light anchor
Then we'd be playing 2020
orchid apex
I feel like they'd be
odd as weapons?
also really what purpose would they serve?
I would imagine using them as a weapon with a Berserk would be disallowed for balance purposes, and Sandevistans are really better with actual weapons
and just wouldn't really gain much from hacks I don't think
I do think there's space for a thing like that tho, having it as a utility item you carry instead of a weapon
That allows you to do stuff like crack locks or bypass security while otherwise being another sort of build
and at higher levels allowing stuff like remote camera access and turrent control
But I don't really see them being given any offensive purpose in this scenario with quickhacks themselves, as that kind of steps on cyberdeck ware's toes
I think it'd allow cool Smart Solo builds that use hacking for utilitarian purposes, leaving combat to having a Sandy or something
sadly the days of Netrunners with Sandevistans ended with RED tho
trail bronze
i’m usually very precious about stealth in this kind of game but 2077 really did away with that
orchid apex
I liked stealth then crafted the Headsman
and was level 60 with 18 body
instantly took out all my sneak tree points and put em into shotguns
because cdpr made a shotgun for cool builds, for which I am forever grateful
love me some slugs
toxic prism
Chaperone-ass gun
trail bronze
the headhunter bar goes up anyway as long as you can aim
severe geyser
I imagine they'd work similar to how they do now, slot in quickhacks, but instead of using scanning, hold the trigger to lock to a hack target, pick your hack, and release.
orchid apex
Chaperone-ass gun
Yes
god you've made me realize I'm just playing my hunter build in this game
OH GOD I HAVE BEEN THE WHOLE TIME
I EVEN USED THROWING KNIVES
toxic prism
you can't escape
willow harness
The Headsman kicks mean ass
Though funnily a basic Overture has been serving me better just because of the increased refire rate
Headshots already kill people, I just need to do it faster
orchid apex
They are gangs of different ethnic backgrounds
but both gangs sort of like
branch off of streetwear?
The 'Tinos do it way less tho, which is the problem
orchid apex
I mean they're two different ethnic cultures
I think it's gonna come down to having a very 'Tinos outfit, minus the edgerunner which has a bamboo forest design within a circle
and big anime hair
and maybe a mesh crop top
I think this works
balances the more tygers jacket, makeup, hairstyle, and belt, with valentinos tats, pants, and shoes
gilded vale
My game self destructed due to file corruption from my mods after the update, so it's time for a fresh install
And I just got to dog town too!
orchid apex
F
gilded vale
Saves seem fine, just means I need to reinstall all the script extenders and things again
orchid apex
I had to do that too I think
at least for CET and etc
also I have spent the past three hours curating what crop mods I'm gonna be using lmao
severe geyser
soft oak
It wasn’t a date it was a robbery
severe geyser
willow harness
Yeah thats funny
Going through the ending and Smasher just Does Not Understand what the fuck you are talking about
icy pecan
Equivalent of a borged up Elvis impersonator killing you
trail bronze
ironically adam smasher used to be a borged-up elvis impersonator
orchid apex
"Are you fucking with me now?"
orchid apex
Oh yea he had sex in that body with one of the arasaka family didn't he
Michiko
The same one who runs a catgirl PI agency
orchid apex
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/n0lD06
This makes me so sad lowkey
That looks so cool
lowkey sad our only Japanese sports car rep I think is the Shion
cuz lowkey the Shion is fucking crap unless it's one of the nomad variants
gilded vale
Yeah it seems like it was an alternative to rhe riptide probably
orchid apex
Why can't we live in a world where both exist 
gilded vale
Which dont get me wrong is cool, the 80s concept car aesthetics are neat, but it is a little specific
Also got my game reinstalled and working with most of my mods back in orde
Except for equipment xl
Which I cannot abide because my fashion is now broken
orchid apex
equipment ex got an update
unless xl is a separate thing
but I have ex and it's fine
gilded vale
Er yeah that's what I meant
Got it confused with tweakxl
Did you have any trouble initially? I did a fresh install and I've updated all my required mods and still nothing
orchid apex
ex is updated to work with 2.02
Uh
I actually downloaded it for the first time post 2.02 lol
gilded vale
The game runs but it just doesn't show up in my inventory menu
orchid apex
I am relatively new to modding cyberpunk in this way, but it is fully working for me
orchid apex
bling time
pulsar citrus
i gotta figure out a good way to show off the shithead emo solo V i've managed to build
also given i have no idea how far through i am with the game i'd like to gently remind folks to spoiler about endings cause i walked face first into some openin the chat
best to keep that up for folks who are also startin up fresh now
orchid apex
fairs
orchid apex
also given i have *no* idea how far through i am with the game i'd like to gentl...
what's the latest main quest you've completed out of curiosity?
pulsar citrus
what's the latest main quest you've completed out of curiosity?
Gearing up for Gimmie Danger
orchid apex
Depends on how late you're doing Takemura's quests then
Have you helped Judy/Panam/etc yet?
pulsar citrus
Panam just stole a ||tank|| and me and Judy are gearing up to talk to the boss at clouds
Dogtown just opened up proper for me with a ||FIA Commission||
Also I got to talk to ||Alt|| but idk where that fits into things
I am treating my Vs life like she’s in cowboy bebop played on late night rotation
Just kinda seen what the plot is this week
orchid apex
Also I got to talk to ||Alt|| but idk where that fits into things
You are relatively far in if that is the case
The only thing preventing you from seeing at least an ending is the quests you're doing now
It's the worst ending, but, y'know
You are close to the end of Panam's questline that lets you pick that ending, and if you do Johnny's sidequests one or two endings unlock
severe geyser
Fuuuuck. I did the other end branch of PL and its really changes The Tower in hindsight. ||Song is dead isn't she? The neural matrix is single use. If FIA uses it on you they can't use it on her. Reed just lies to you about her fate.||
soft oak
Fuuuuck. I did the other end branch of PL and its really changes The Tower in hi...
Yeah
My hypothesis is that they ||did the equivalent of soulkiller on her ||
pulsar citrus
wough i do not want to sneak into arasaka 
i am not built to sneak
i am a solo i am here to dump lead into shitheads
reef stirrup
wough i do not want to sneak into arasaka <:plsno:449667480772673546>
Don't worry the game takes a very loose definition of "sneak"
pulsar citrus
i've noticed but i like to be Professional
soft oak
Professional is when you blast people’s heads off with a shotgun while alarms blare
lone lodge
"no one will see me" stealth or "no one who sees me will live" stealth
rough laurel
"I fried someone's brain by giving them a mean look over the Internet" stealth
The trick is seeing how high your body count can get during the time it takes to trace you
soft oak
You know what’s real funny
If Blue Eye and ||by extension, Night Corp is behind Songbird’s escape plan||
Then Orbital Air ||president is actually right when they accused Night Corp of being behind the spaceport attack||
orchid apex
I mean how and why would NightCorp do that?
soft oak
Night Corp is in ||development of AI tech that can effectively mind control people||
Although I think the ||method is actually being so good at prediction that they perfectly know that applying certain stimuli to someone will make them react in certain way||
A similar technology is being used to control the mayor
And Blue Eyes show up there
And blue ||eyes also make an appearance in orbital air spaceport during songbird’s escape||
orchid apex
And you hypothesize that this AI may be from beyond the Blackwall?
soft oak
So if night Corp ||is behind the series of events that caused the whole fiasco with songbird||
orchid apex
Or rather developed using insights gained from examining Blackwall AI
soft oak
Then by technicality ||they are also responsible for militech black ops strike on the spaceport||
reef stirrup
If Blue Eye and ||by extension, Night Corp is behind Songbird’s escape plan||
Please spoiler all of this if you could, been requested by Delilah and a few others
There are still folks playing this for the first time and this is a big server
It's not an open forum for spoiler discussion
soft oak
On a less spoilery front Blue Eyes ||does seem to have some connection with Night Corp||
||considering at the very end his disciples claim that agents that are most like Night Corp agents arrived to block bag him. The agents are specifically noted to have blue eyes||
orchid apex
A psychosolo with techgogs with "BITCH" written on them is sprinting towards you with a katana, wyd?
junior phoenix
die probably
orchid apex
If your answer is "activate my sandevistan" jokes on you she has one too bish
orchid apex
die probably
yeah p much
also I'm rly happy I discovered the techgog mod which gives those goggles
they go rly well with the white mask cuz of the gold teeth and black gums
willow harness
I would activate my sandevistan and run away with it
So we'd be running at the same speed
icy pecan
Activate berserk and be invulnerable to damage until the sandevistan expires
I'm glad no enemy has a berserk that'd be terrifying/annoying
orchid apex
I would activate my sandevistan and run away with it
So we'd be running at the s...
I imagine she'd say something like "don't run, you'll just die tired." but in like
Juri's voice
So like
weird and demented and...
vaguely horny?
Juri is fuckin weird but her voice is the first that entered my head
finite willow
so like. basically the female tyger claw npc voice, the ones where they laugh maniacally at you mid-fight.
orchid apex
so like. basically the female tyger claw npc voice, the ones where they laugh ma...
Kind of, yes
orchid apex
We out here installing a bunch of language diversity mods
pulsar citrus
If your answer is "activate my sandevistan" jokes on you she has one too bish
Wrong, Kerenzikov
I Am Built Different
orchid apex
lmao
pulsar citrus
Also “pull carnage” bc my v is also a psychosolo of a different sort
soft oak
A psychosolo with techgogs with "BITCH" written on them is sprinting towards you...
Cyberware malfunction + cripple movement + cyberware malfunction again
swift mist
that seems like exactly the kind of thing he'd love to be taken out by
his last thoughts were "lol... based"
somehow found someone more off the hinges than him
orchid apex
Cyberware malfunction + cripple movement + cyberware malfunction again
A fair response lmao
icy pecan
Imagine cyberware malfunctioning a gonk's wares twice and they're life's worth of cyberware is just useless now
Back to the ripperdoc
granite solstice
I installed a bunch of mods and now my game looks like the 1995 gits in terms of color tone
Im so happy lol
severe geyser
I love that Carnage has a barcode sticker on the side it like you got it from the discount supermarket.
I mean its a Budget Arms gun you probably can buy it from one.
orchid apex
Ending spoilers ||"G'night, Valerie. Today was a good day."|| CDPR what gives you the right to stab me like this?
soft oak
I’m eternally sad that Optics Jam daemon is no longer a thing
So I can’t recreate that scene from gits where batou murders all the yakuza anymore
It was really funny just uploading an optics jam daemon
Introducing myself
And watching all the gonks go immediately blind by my magnificence or smth
orchid apex
lmao
all the alt cyberhand mods I'm finding replace mantis blades or gorilla arms or monowire and I'm just over here like sad elegant pls user
granite solstice
So I can’t recreate that scene from gits where batou murders all the yakuza anym...
I’ve told myself sandevistan is an appropriate alternative
Especially since innocence and 1995 Batou is much less of a hacker than in SAC - generally he seems to heavily rely on being a fully armored cyborg. (So sandevistan, gorilla arms, shotguns, automatic pistols, LMGs)
orchid apex
And watching all the gonks go immediately blind by my magnificence or smth
I wonder if there’s anything like a Medusa daemon, like something that goes off when you see someone
soft oak
That’s kinda how blind optics daemon worked before 2.0
The moment an enemy saw you they were automatically inflicted with blind optics
soft oak
Been seeing some footage from ghost in the shell Netflix series
Made me realize seeing sandevistan in real time would be intensely alien experience
In it some post humans just casually duck and weave out of bullets paths
And it just feels wrong
orchid apex
Holy shit Lilah you made me spit XD
granite solstice
Idris Elba looks like a seal that wants to cry
incredibly accurate, incisive, original
orchid apex
Man I'm glad there's now an ending where Takemura realizes the corpo-rat race is fucked beyond belief
quartz badger
Tracksuitmura ending was pretty good, shame it's not possible to give him any peace in a non-Arasaka ending
btw I just realised Smasher is still probably out there in the NUSA ending
additionally, Militech supremacy might be powered by leveraging Songbird, which is very Not Good
leaden fjord
What's songbird's deal?
soft oak
She’s a ||songbird in a cage||
She’s also ||desperate to be free||
She was a ||teenage hacker of considerable talent who caught NUSA’s eyes and became their prized netrunner. During a mission beyond the blackwall she was damaged pretty heavily and was converted to mostly borg status with dubious consent (she gave her consent while dazed and confused). All the interaction with blackwall AI is slowly killing her, but NUSA keeps trying to use her to explore the old net||
orchid apex
She's ||a cyberpunk version of a wizard getting fucked up by the dark arts basically||
||The power is eating her from the inside out, though I don't think it's really explained how her neurodegeneration is similar to ours in a way that makes the cure that works for her a cure that works for us, though it may imply the Relic uses code from an AI from beyond the Blackwall.||
||No, Alt isn't who I'm talking about, she made Soulkiller before getting yeeted||
||Actually, I suppose they could have forced her engram to do help develop it while she was imprisoned in Mikoshi||
||But then that's still not her being beyond the Blackwall||
soft oak
Was blackwall even a thing back then
rough laurel
Blackwall was made at some point in the 2040s IIRC
orchid apex
Ye
So nah, she probably escaped when 'Moss trashed the net
and had the door shut behind her by NetWatch
orchid apex
I have been randomly reminded by my earlier statements that oldnet cyberdecks are called grimoires or spellbooks and I just think that's cool as fuck
soft oak
Forbidden grimoires
leaden fjord
Book shaped computer
bright granite
Inspector Gadget knew all along..
orchid apex
The current look
other glasses options include pink lensed aviators and a pink version of Dex's glasses
orchid apex
Does anyone know if the Agaou axe does the emp blast if you hit a camera with it?
granite solstice
I have been randomly reminded by my earlier statements that oldnet cyberdecks ar...
By the by, convincing oneself that one is learning magic is an extremely effective motivational tool for learning to code.
orchid apex
lmao nice
granite solstice
It’s how I did it! And now I’m a senior ml engineer
No seriously it absolutely works. Got me over the horrible initial learning hump
leaden fjord
How does it help?
granite solstice
It’s actually not a bad mindset. Learning to program is about learning data structures, approaches, a language or two, and then putting things together to make something that performs a task.
Early on it was a helpful way for me to think of classes, functions, frameworks
It was helpful for me to acknowledge early on that it looked like magic, and then I was able to grow out of that mindset
It added whimsy, basically, at a point where I was doing like 80 hour weeks - 40 hours at work, 40 more at home learning
orchid apex
So I'm starting a new playthrough and it's meant to be me doing a full run with the build I've refined to the point it's at now, but idk if I'm like
Actually happy with it?
That may just be from me keeping myself stuck in endgame testing out fashion and stuff tho
Cuz like
sword and pistol and throwing knife was fun
maybe the shotgun just doesn't have that longevity of enjoyment for me because it's another gun?
gilded vale
I feel like some weapons are just more satisfying than others. Carnage and Tactician are both great but suffer from really long reloads
The Headsman, imo, often just feels like a worse revolver or precision rifle because of it
I'm really enjoying Order on a tech/body build though
Got a mod to make the Hercules an LMG too and that's fit in perfectly
Incidentally, I wish that kanabos didn't make the goofy bat bonk sound
orchid apex
Got a mod to make the Hercules an LMG too and that's fit in perfectly
ooo, it is very good to know the zetatech arms fit with the biker vest sleeves
gilded vale
Yeah it's one of the only things that doesn't clip with t hem
orchid apex
The Headsman, imo, often just feels like a worse revolver or precision rifle bec...
That is the shotgun I use coincidentally enough lol
current loadout is malorian, byakko, and the headsman
gilded vale
See I feel like the malorian, with the buff, does most of what the headsman will do but with a much more pleasant reload
orchid apex
honestly probably
gilded vale
Even if each shot isn't as damaging
orchid apex
Honestly I think I may go back to a knife instead of the headsman
take some stealth perks
use it as my stealth option
willow harness
Yeahhh, thats what I found too
I don't have the malorian yet, just an orange Overture
And pistol headshots kill most dudes and you can bust them out super fast so the hyperdeath headshot shotgun is a little redundant
Though very cool
granite solstice
Got a mod to make the Hercules an LMG too and that's fit in perfectly
Could you post whatever parts of that outfit aren't modded? Inquiring Vs want to plagiarize.
gilded vale
None of the gear is modded! Just using Equipment-Ex to wear both the biker vest and the armor at once
granite solstice
Excellent! What are the names of the clothes, if you have them?
gilded vale
Torso: Impact-absorbent padded biker vest + Modular Self-Extinguishing Ballistic Vest
Legs: Ultra-cushioned motorcycle riding pants
Feet: Heavy-duty biker exo-jacks```Oh I should say, the cyberarms are the Zetatech Arms from the Arasaka Cyberarms Mod
granite solstice
Thank you!
orchid apex
Yeahhh, thats what I found too
I don't have the malorian yet, just an orange Ove...
I bet it's cool on dedicated body builds
willow harness
Yeah, as a pure body pistol equivalent it probably whips
I'm just doing Body/Cool so
orchid apex
I'm also sort of doing a body/cool
tho it's more of a reflex/cool
with 18 body cuz of spare points
finite willow
I think the utility of headsman on a body heavy build would vary a little bit, depending on if your headshots are killing on their own. I could see it working great against tougher enemies, where the initial headshot wouldn't kill, but the crit headshot would either kill or trigger a dismember that would kill.
shotguns are pretty busted in general on dismember-heavy builds though.
orchid apex
My build is more headshot heavy than specifically dismember heavy
mostly cuz the katana
swings at the fucking speed of light
finite willow
I leaned heavy on dismembering myself, but even then I think dismembers trigger on any shot to the enemy. so this could still be a pretty great tool.
fervent lagoon
I think the utility of headsman on a body heavy build would vary a little bit, d...
on a body heavy build you just go for the torso meatshot
finite willow
basically, yeah. there's no point to headshotting most of the time. the torso is the weak point.
orchid apex
I can never do that in games lol
I like being rewarded for my precision too much
either precision or in melee my capacity for blending
finite willow
it's the reverse for me. I like when a game rewards me for being able to hit at all while running my ass off.
I've never had the kind of precision to land headshots, so run-n-gun has always been far more entertaining. I get more of a rush out of it.
trail bronze
shotguns are very controller-friendly
orchid apex
it's the reverse for me. I like when a game rewards me for being able to hit at ...
I pride myself on doing a little of both, s'why I played gunslinger in Destiny
orchid apex
PL spoilers I kinda wanna talk about ||how Reed is just the fucking king of self-sabotage in PL's story.||
soft oak
Yeah
orchid apex
||Like he's intensely oblique to you about what happened to the two guys who show up to the hideout after you and Myers, doesn't keep you in the loop about his lack of care if Slider dies (this one is more forgivable cuz it's your first mission and as far as he's concerned you're a talented freelancer, nothing more, and then doesn't keep you in the loop that the plan is to kill the twins and just acts like it should be obvious. The one mission where almost nothing goes down without a hitch is the first Black Sapphire infiltration, because he just talks to you and you keep one another in the loop. There's the bad luck of getting found out, but that was luck, not a member of the team not being given important pieces of information||
||Almost like teamwork makes the dream work, Reed. You fuckin assclown.||
soft oak
That’s why I think ||his last words are pretty significant if you body shot him||
But I also think that ||he figured that there’s nothing he could tell you that you would find comforting||
orchid apex
||I don't need comfort I need clear PTID||
soft oak
||it’s not like he’s gonna straight up admit he killed other freelancers Myers hired to tie up loose ends or that he planned on killing another guy he forced to work for him||
orchid apex
||I mean honestly that's standard shit I'd expect, I just feel Reed went even beyond that for no actual reason||
soft oak
That’s kinda his downfall I think
orchid apex
||Like this isn't me thinking Reed is unethical, that'd be me in a glass house||
||This is me thinking Reed is tactically misstepping||
soft oak
||he genuinely is a nice, honorable person who thinks in nice and ethical ways||
orchid apex
||Like there is no reason to expect I will give a shit that you think you need to ice Aurore and Aymeric||
soft oak
So ||he thinks being up front about the callous necessity of spy work would make people less inclined to work with him||
orchid apex
||I need to know that you think you need to ice Aurore and Aymeric, so that you do not surprise me at an inopportune time and maybe so I can more intentionally help you||
||Sorry, he just frustrates me lol||
soft oak
||I think he figured as long as you did exactly what you were told it wouldn’t really matter||
||with my 20 int I even improved upon his tech used to hijack the twins car without prompting lmao||
orchid apex
||I think that's a mistake for a spy dealing with really any mercenary or freelance work except maybe a dedicated netrunner who is only gathering intel for you||
||I think it was an especially stupid move with V tho lol||
orchid apex
||with my 20 int I even improved upon his tech used to hijack the twins car with...
man I need to get around to my netrunner build
soft oak
I started tweaking ||his tool and he’s like ‘wth are you doing?!’ And I’m like ‘your tool’s icebreaker needs work. This should buy us a little more time if they try to take back control.’||
Int 20 V has a lot of little moments like that in Pl
orchid apex
That's cute
soft oak
Funniest moment though is when you get a prompt to ||attempt remote access on the rental car company if you have int 20||
And then it turns out that for whatever fucking reason
||rental car company hires a god of a netrunner||
And your V’s like “huh, that’s weird, their security’s unusually good.”
granite solstice
That’s why I think ||his last words are pretty significant if you body shot him|...
I haven’t done this yet. I || shot him in the head. What does he say? ||
soft oak
||He lifts his gun again to shoot you back, can't pull the trigger, and drops to his knees, muttering "...Too damn late..."||
granite solstice
Thanks. That’s pretty interesting
Oddly, || I got the sense there was no plan to ice V. Myers seems to genuinely reward those who do not much for her while taking advantage of people like Reed or Alex - and not doing much to reward them ||
soft oak
she does ||reward Reed. He seems to be running the FIA after the timeskip||
i think Johnny' read on her is more or less accurate
||She will reward you as long as it is convenient to do so. She won't hesitate to drive a knife in your back as soon as it gets her closer to her goals though||
light anchor
||shes not pointlessly cruel - there's always a point to her knife, all you need to do is make sure your back isn't in its way||
granite solstice
she does ||reward Reed. He seems to be running the FIA after the timeskip||
Ah, yeah, didn’t know this either lol
I know that neither choice is “right”
But goddamn || I just cannot get myself to side with Reed or take the cure for myself. ||
soft oak
I think ||Reed himself has a lot of doubts about his actions||
||That only manifests either in his last moments or during the Tower Ending||
in the latter, he basically has to keep telling himself ||it was all worth it||
in the former I think ||he could have shot you, but his regrets prevented him from pulling the trigger. He literally experienced doubts in his last moments preventing him from pulling the trigger quicker than you or returning fire.||
pulsar citrus
augh arasaka warehouse finllay run throuuuugh
i'm glad i sprung for opitical camo for a lil bit before switching out to my "just keep shooting" ware
orchid apex
saka warehouse is fun
trail bronze
i haven't tried to front door solo that yet
orchid apex
I've always assumed it was a bad idea
also I think I may try making Kongou my weapon of choice for this new run
cuz it fits my character's color scheme perfectly
trail bronze
yeah i mean i always thought that if you get caught then it's going to be hard to complete the mission objective
but then it's a key story mission so maybe i can just walk in and start blasting after all
orchid apex
man pistoleros are spoiled in this game
pulsar citrus
i haven't tried to front door solo that yet
i tried, and then takamura yelled at me, and my brain extrapolated things that the game probably wasn't gonna do
but i still restarted and did it stealthy and proper because fuck it
I am a professional
vast scroll
so the concept art got posted and it looks like Erebus was originally planned for MaxTac use, instead of as an Iconic https://www.artstation.com/artwork/GeDbda
or at least to be a normal production weapon with variants
fervent lagoon
honestly? I don't like it in mainline service
vast scroll
he also designed the Grit and i finally realized its a modified Slaught-O-Matic
fervent lagoon
it looks like a prototype gun
soft oak
It is a prototype gun
fervent lagoon
right but if it's supposed to be a normal production weapon why does it look like it's pieced together out of random stuff they had lying around
the Grit is at least explicitly a craft produced weapon
vast scroll
yeah
nice slow motion of it in action too https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/068/280/776/original/filippo-ubertino-ha-4-grit5-3.gif?1697450986
soft oak
The true bespoke weapon
severe geyser
Taking apart the 100 eb plastic mold injection gun and sticking electromagnets in it to make it shoot harder is truely big brain stuff
To paraphrase jelloapocalypse, its like a zipgun on acid both battery and lsd.
severe geyser
Really enjoying Dino's gigs. Nice change of pace from the usual run and gun gigs.
vast scroll
the Mox? yeah it kicks ass
severe geyser
Update my Street kid is no longer a kitch wearing shotgun melee solo but a neokitch all rounder techie.
pulsar citrus
the Mox? yeah it kicks ass
Power babyyyyy
eager saddle
Heck, y'all's V's have great fits
eager saddle
🗞️
pulsar citrus
Man I'm glad there's now an ending where Takemura realizes the corpo-rat race is...
mine ||exploded|| so things are looking Fine
Cyberpunk is normal
eager saddle
Also I knew I had a decent chunk of RAM but I didn't realise I had 40
I thought system crash, grenade det were like, prohibitively expensive, but nah
eager saddle
Streetkid took some online classes in making brains melt
pale saddle
...What I love about this is that either he or V has to be making the drone do that for lulz. They were likely very bored waiting for the heist to kick off.
pale saddle
Well we see it demoed, so I'm guessing the "single use" is either that they will be unable to reclaim it after the heist or that it stays active until they use it a certain way.
i.e. Jacking into the hotel network
fervent lagoon
I'm assuming it's more that they weren't planning on getting it back
since it's jacked into the arasaka netrunner
vast scroll
they werent planning on it but its not likely to be designed to be disposable
drones, especially ones with that feature set, arent cheap
inner yacht
It's not like it's particularly easy to retrieve it after the chaos that happened
rough laurel
Even without that they're probably not touching it after the job, but it does mean if Meredith or what's his name knew V had the flathead, and at least one definitely does, things were gonna turn out real bad for the crew after the job.
Like the more I think about that heist the more I realize they were never winning.
Experimental Militech drones found plugged into Arasaka netrunners after the SYS chip gets stolen? One or both of Stout and Gilchrist both knowing V had said bot given they were both there for the conversation where we get the 10k cred chip? Either we get publicly fingered by MT to prevent things turning into a 5th Corporate War or it gets buried and now we belong to whoever knows our involvement.
And that's assuming Dex didn't decide to turncoat even before things went sideways.
gilded vale
Honestly my assumption with the flat head being single use is that it literally melts in to a pile of slag or explodes at the end of a mission for precisely that eventuality. It's so you can break in somewhere that no human would ever be able to go and come back and also leave no traces
You expect to send it somewhere you're not getting it back from
rough laurel
I think we can all agree tho having a nice robo-dog-spider drone as a pet would be cool
vast scroll
funny puppy
eager saddle
You don't actually have to talk to stout at all, tbd
willow harness
Yeah there's a version of that quest where you just blitz over to the factory, pay out of your own pocket, and go home
Or shoot the place up
trail bronze
imagine not shooting the place up
eager saddle
Just let jackie do his thing, he'll get the party started
rough laurel
I like the part where you're just about to make the deal
And then you just dome Royce in front of his whole crew
I always turn Royce into an example
icy pecan
I almost always get the militech credchip, shoot maelstrom and get away with a ton of loot but also 10000 creds and saving brick
fervent lagoon
royce ranting about musical theory is far too funny to give up
pulsar citrus
i think i killed everyone involved one way or another
||stout ended up shot in the back of a van by her erstwhile hostage, militech paid for militechs drone, and also i got to murder every maelstromer in the building||
icy pecan
||stout ended up shot in the back of a van by her erstwhile hostage, militech pa...
Whoa I didn't even know that ||stout can be killed like that||
toxic prism
||She also is correct about that guy being the mole, if that matters. Which is why I always give the spiked credchip||
||Plus the dildo bat is unironically one of the best weapons in the game||
tidal osprey
Finished phantom liberty and did the tower ending. Loved it
pulsar citrus
Whoa I didn't even know that ||stout can be killed like that||
I am just assuming ||based on how her former hostage rolled up and let me leave, while she screamed in the back of the Militech van.||
soft oak
You can actually find ||Stout’s dead body||
They gave ||her ||new shoes and dumped ||her|| in the sea somewhere on the map
rough laurel
Honestly I'm mostly surprised ||she can't just be weighed down by her own cybernetics, I imagine most people with significant work done weigh quite a bit more than an organic of the same general size.||
orchid apex
I am just assuming ||based on how her former hostage rolled up and let me leave,...
||Nah they shaved her head, gave her concrete shoes and dumped her in the bay||
severe geyser
toxic prism
Tl;dr?
pale saddle
Subways, Adam Smasher went to the gym, motorcycle combat update, more vehicular fights, repeatable races
junior phoenix
A new update?
severe geyser
They gave Smasher a sandy .
toxic prism
Oh shit
pale saddle
The 2.1 update apparently, dunno if it's out yet
willow harness
Is it funny that subways are what most entice me
Them just being fast travel points makes me somehow sad
tidal osprey
Honestly I don't think the games systems can make Smasher or any boss that interesting. All the bosses were either hiding or running away
So a smasher buff will just move him to one side of that axis, probably
willow harness
i thought 2.0 added them
The little gates are there but interacting with them sends you to the fast travel menu
Now you actually ride the train to the next station (if desired)
vast scroll
oh nice
pulsar citrus
ohhh that is fun
gilded vale
werent the subways already in the game?
Just before 2.0 a modder got them working and that made the rounds, so that might be why it's jogging your memory
icy pecan
I wish we could use AVs late game or at least use them as taxi between way points
And it's technically possible cause there's a mod that turns any car into a flying AV and you can even turn on complex flight controls and fly it using an airplane controller suite
trail bronze
implant radio!
tidal osprey
I'm so happy about radio out of a car. It felt so absent
icy pecan
V has discorded MP3 players with radio on it
severe geyser
Feels like such a weird absence, since its a basic and pretty common cyberaudio option.
vast scroll
technically itd be a feature of the neural link
along with the rest of the computer/UI stuff
oh hmm, the internal agent in red is actually a cyberaudio option, didnt realize that
bright granite
I chalk part of that up to RED tech being a bit more dated, everyone in 2077 seems to have a suite of tech baseline
vast scroll
i mean, 2077 plays it fast and loose in general
bright granite
Yeahhh, probably to make Hacking just more functional
rough laurel
I can finally use the train
soft oak
They really gave Adam smasher a kerenzikov
In sandevistan mode he moves with the exact same afterimage effect from edgerunners
soft oak
and then shoot you in the face with his ballistic wrist gun
toxic prism
Anyways
I'm glad we got a more accurate Smasher
All the more satisfying to bonk him to death with a dildo
rough laurel
I am going to ride the train all day
icy pecan
The true cyberpunk fantasy is reliable American mass transit
sage junco
Just wanna say I'm really enjoying the movement tech you can get with double jump and dash
Just zip across the city on foot
toxic prism
Yep
If you jump after dashing you can dash in the air
Zooming
Ultrakill type movement
sage junco
Dash into jump so you keep momentum into air dash into land into dash
exotic anvil
lmao HALP i can't budget this build i want
after seeing nehan and satori, i now pivoted from hackergirl to hacking into hacking
as in hacking then nehan then sword
feels like this would benefit from a SIM
but does installing SIM block hacking outright?
sage junco
SIM?
exotic anvil
err bad at remembering name, meant to say sandervistan
thought the name of that hardware is simvastidan for some reason (sounds like a drug name)
sage junco
I think you can still hack?
exotic anvil
ok so no sandevistan then
sage junco
There are other ways to slow time though
exotic anvil
probably want neuro slot for slow time instead
sage junco
Most involve taking damage
But you can take damage by hacking over your limit
And trigger slow down
Without needing enemies to hit you
exotic anvil
so back to original woe: that still sounds like i'm multiple attribute dependent with cool, intelligence, technical ability and reflexes...
time for me to figure out which one to sacrifice
sage junco
I mean the level cap is 60
So you only need to sacrifice 1 out of 5
Or have two not reach 20
icy pecan
The main perk of blade and sandy is easy bullet reflection for no stamina cost
exotic anvil
current version in the builder
ah ok so if i'm not intending to rely on bullet deflect i'm still decently good
sage junco
Also totally me not learning now that RELIC is it's own skill tree I haven't unlocked yet....
I should play Phantom Liberty
exotic anvil
oh speaking of cyberware
trail bronze
kerenzikov is pretty mandatory as long as you're actually playing the game and not just deleting people, although i think the dash makes up for it a bit
exotic anvil
how does optical camo work, mechanically?
i hit it mid-combat and seem to still be targeted during its active window
eager saddle
I think there's some stuff where it also ups your mitigation?
Can't remember what though
sage junco
Am I missing something or are all the best/the majority of the iconic weapons, pistols / revolvers
Cos I've gotten like, 1 assault rifle, 2 SMGs, decent amount of katanas and then like 10 pistols / revolvers
fervent lagoon
handguns are disproportionately represented yeah
drifting patio
how does optical camo work, mechanically?
I know that if you combine it with a Sandy you can literally just sprint across entire buildings without getting detected
fervent lagoon
there is iirc exactly one iconic LMG and it's locked to a quest decision
ok two iconic LMGs but one's a x-MOD2 variant which barely counts imo
exotic anvil
also only one iconic smart shotgun which seems to be acquireable only post-credit?
fervent lagoon
yup
spoilers: weapons list
you can see how many more pistols and revolvers there are without even counting
fervent lagoon
yup
2.0 made it so that you can run handguns without needing to spec into them but it does feel kinda bad to spec into LMGs when you have literally two choices
and the choices feel pretty similar ngl
also when you can't put sights on them anymore
sage junco
How much do ya'll think unreliable narration plays a roll in the game
Cos to me, we seem to get a lot of hints that what we see from Johnny isn't the truth as it happened, and that how he acts now is a reflection of how we've changed him as much as he's changed us, not from the relationship but the brain blending
vast scroll
that seems to more or less be the official explanation
a combination of "johnny is a narcissist who reframes the past to suit his narrative", "johnny's soul-brain is more than a little fried so he just doesn't remember everything correctly" and "riding around in V's skull is making both things even worse"
at least, its the watsonian explanation for things like "all of johnny's flashbacks have at least one notable divergence from canon"
pulsar citrus
I figured those were the changes to the canon for the 2077 branch
The way canon splits for Cybergeneration, 3.0, and 45
vast scroll
"officially", 2077 is 100% in canon with 2020 and RED
pulsar citrus
Huh. Well im gonna ignore that
vast scroll
oh its obviously not true
its clear that CDPR wrote basically all of 2077 either without detailed knowledge of RED''s development (unlikely) or ignoring what Mike gave them on it
trail bronze
there's quite a bit of retconning going on in developer commentary for red, if i recall correctly
'you can't do the stuff they do in edgerunners and 2077 not because we weren't designing for it, but because uhhhh your cyberware is trash'
sage junco
We do have Alt telling us that Johnny's memories are not correct to
So there's in story justification for stuff
And like to be clear I don't mind some inconsistencies especially between entirely different forms of media
That's gonna happen
I'm just interested how far the unreliable narrator part goes
severe geyser
Maybe sometime between 2045 and 2077 the kreznikov was changed for health reasons for example
sage junco
And like, how much the Johnny we experience is the "real" Johnny
pulsar citrus
How “real” can a Rockerboy be?
severe geyser
I like to imagine during that the skip we saw in Saka tower Morgan showed up and saved Johnny but he blocked it out cuz he wants to be the hero.
vast scroll
oh the entire thing about Johnny and Adam fighting (or being "rivals") is complete bullshit
Adam was fighting Morgan at the time and theyre rivals
severe geyser
I'm aware, I'm just saying during Johnny's heavily falsified flashback there was literally no way out of that situation other than Morgan saving him so he had to include it but didn't want to so he repressed it, if that makes sense
vast scroll
yknow this image from RED? this is morgan and adam fighting on the roof of Arasaka Tower right before the bomb went off https://i.imgur.com/T4jVfV4.jpeg
sage junco
Like would Johnny actually try to reconnect with their 'friends' if the chip wasn't effecting them
vast scroll
the hilarious thing about Adam and Johnny's "duel" in the game is that its two short paragraphs in the original story
Johnny taunts Adam, Adam is confused, Adam blows Johnny to pieces, end of fight
sage junco
vast scroll
also the "autoshotgun" in question is a 10-gauge machine shotgun mounted on mechs as an antipersonnel weapon
because Adam brought a prototype Arasaka mech-body to the fight
the 1,120 kg Dai-Oni https://i.imgur.com/6ugAX8s.png
toxic prism
I do think it's canon that what we see in 2077 is biased by Johnny's view
orchid apex
Max Cool Stat for next run
It’s the Destiny Hand Cannon problem all over again
vast scroll
big pistol just good
orchid apex
Unless you’re not a fuckin N e r d and like revolvers and shit
vast scroll
everybody loves big pistol
orchid apex
Ye
I like playing characters that like
Sort of concealed carry??? XD
Like my last character was a pistol and two knives
sage junco
I be concealing my sword in your spine
sage junco
So for those who have seen it, the PL ||new ending for the game is like, realllly good right||?
Like in a very cathartic way
Especially as ||a counter point to the game endings previous themes||
trail bronze
||i would say no, it felt extremely non-cathartic and made me regret all the choices i made that led to it||
||the message i received is that death is not the worst of evils||
sage junco
I didn't see it that way at all
bright granite
||I'll admit between this BG3 and.. sort of RDR2 I guess I'm getting a little over the 'terminal illness, dramatic, right?' method of writing characters out of a story||
sage junco
For me ||it was more about picking yourself back up after that experience is hard, but you can do it, and life is a series of those experiences||
||some relationships fade, others last, the people in them change to, as do you||
||but heck V can still go to portland and dive with Judy or take that FIA job or maybe Panam is just out of signal range and you can hang out with them or you can find your own path||
||meet new people, do new things||
||the alternative is death, and that can either be a big blaze of glory or just silently going, but you don't get to have those new experiences either way||
trail bronze
i guess you aren’t a big fan of johnny silverhand
sage junco
How come?
||like yeah I know he dies so you live to||
||but I'm talking more about Vs future and prospects here||
||but from what I've seen, depending on your Johnny he accepts going back into the void if it means you get to live to||
||ultimately I think in a cyberpunk dystopia, surviving can be enough, especially if you find things or people important to you, even if they aren't permanent. Since permanence is not the only factor for importance||
||you can't beat the dystopia but you can definantly die or be definantly alive||
granite solstice
I think you’re the only person I’ve seen (besides me and I suspect Gene Park) who read it that way
I fully agree
sage junco
I suspect a lot of the reaction is cos it makes you feel (and any ending that makes you feel something is good) very melancholic
But life is like that! Especially given what's happened to V
But melancholy is a chance for retrospection and change
If ||living without your cyberpowers isn't worth it, then what does that say of the life of any of your friends in game or any life you saved||
trail bronze
||it’s about who i threw under the bus to get there||
orchid apex
||I'm gonna be a bit of a shit and respond to that by saying "You mean the ones I helped and saved using my cyberware?"||
sage junco
Well my point is less about how you did it than if life without it is worthless then why did you try
And yeah ||sacrificing songbird imo is the wrong thing to do||
orchid apex
||See I think the ending sucks as a place to leave V's life because V is, at least in my opinion, partially defined by that ability to do nutso shit with cyberware.||
sage junco
||Johnny however can make the choice and come to peace with dying for you, the same way you can for him||
trail bronze
||i can’t look myself in the eye and say yeah, you know what? sacrificing johnny and songbird to become a low tier government employee, that was worth it||
orchid apex
||I think that ability to cram as much cyberware as you can into V is part of at least my V's self image.||
sage junco
||songbird I agree with, Johnny I disagree with, he already makes that choice||
orchid apex
||She would not be cool with the hand dealt to her by the NUSA ending.||
sage junco
||and you don't have to be an FIA guy||
trail bronze
||(the 10,000 scavs, gangers and corpsec is just the cost of doing business, let’s pretend that didn’t happen)||
sage junco
||She would not be cool with the hand dealt to her by the NUSA ending.||
Oh 100%, it clearly fucking sucks for them
But it also gives you a choice
Because ||they could of killed themselves before if they wanted, if its not worth it they still can, but they also have the choice of finding another way to live||
||misty is also giving up their everything and moving on, it shows you can to||
orchid apex
||I mean if I were given the choices, I don't think I'd pick the Tower.||
sage junco
||for me, I'd probably hand my body to Johnny yeah||
||because relics gonna kill me, might as well have someone else live||
orchid apex
||Oh fuck that too, I wanna party like it's 2023.||
sage junco
||why not both||
||but it's good the game paid off the central question of dying old or dying young||
orchid apex
||ngl cuz it's my body, hands off bro lmao||
||He has no right to it I feel literally zero need to offer||
sage junco
||oh yeah like, to be clear it's not mortally wrong to reject Johnny either, it's a choice||
||I personally would prefer at least someone live, but I'm not obligated to do it||
||I see it more like being an organ doner||
orchid apex
||A valid perspective, but I do think there are nuances of Johnny and V's situation where such a comparison isn't fully apt, and it is in those nuances where I find my ground to, if necessary, tell Johnny to go fuck himself and keep my body.||
||Like I am an organ donor, if I'm dead please use parts of me to save other people. V, for however much longer, is still breathing.||
sage junco
||it is, very oddly, parallel with with abortion 'debate'||
orchid apex
||Oh god I didn't even think about that||
sage junco
||To be 100% clear I am pro choice||
||But it does remind me of a lot of discussion around it and like theoreticals on viability and the like||
orchid apex
||Oh I mean I don't think anyone assumed you were not lmao||
sage junco
Just being sure :p
There's the example of like, what if you woke up tomorrow and someone's surgically grafted you to another person
And if you are separated, they die
orchid apex
Either that's a popular example or you watch PhilosophyTube lmao
sage junco
Bit of both
But assuming you've seen the video, yeah it's a very comparable situation imo
Of course there is another canonical ending I like
The one where ||because they take away your jumping /dashing powers for the intro of PL, V falls to their death climbing up the broken building cos I didn't do a double jump, right as Song Bird said they were so happy i was there to help||
It happened to me and I found it very funny
The banana peel ending
bright granite
||I still wish we could yell at Alt for designing what would-be Soulkiller in the first place. I know corps took it and made it awful, but like, it was rough to begin with ma'am||
sage junco
Got me one of those eco friendly trucks
sage junco
So easily another 6 years away but
Cyberpunk 2 / project Orion
Lotta fun fan theories going on predicting the plot / setting
I didn't think much of them until || I saw Mr blue eyes was also in Phantom Liberty||
Which is a very deliberate choice
sage junco
Think my V's just about done, all gigs, all missions apart from ending to PL and Main story
tidal osprey
I didn't think much of them until || I saw Mr blue eyes was also in Phantom Libe...
Yeah I can't imagine them setting up such a big plot with some sort of shadowy organization controlling politicians and then not have it be important for a sequel
sage junco
Yeah like, it's a long development cycle between now and Project Orion
Nothing is solid
But they very delibretely brought that back, it's on their writers minds
Before that he was fairly throw away imo
toxic prism
But they very delibretely brought that back, it's on their writers minds
Especially with the entire plot of PL being what it is
sage junco
||AI take over|| would also likely be culturally relevant in 6 years+
wise scroll
man having to cheers to the man you killed is pretty hard
sage junco
Who?
soft oak
Shit wrong thread
sage junco
Half of those were cyberpunk words so it was extra confusing 😛
toxic prism
Yeah I was gonna say lol
sage junco
Kelped a shard from my choom's output while he was gazed on BDs
junior phoenix
Lmao
toxic prism
It's funny, if the game was released as 2.0 was at launch I honestly think it wouldn't be nearly as maligned and probably may even have won Game of the Year
2.0 is the vast improvement over the original game
drifting patio
😔
icy pecan
True, the generous side of me wants to say it's cause they got lots of feedback from a bad launch but also bg3 launched almost flawlessly
drifting patio
Imagine what they could have done by now if they had the time to do 2.0 all along
toxic prism
I mean I agree, they did get a lot of feedback from launch
toxic prism
And yeah BG3 was in Early Access
drifting patio
October 6th 2020, according to the BG3 wiki
pale saddle
2077 got crunched and CDPR were both riding the high of the Witcher and tackling an entirely new genre and setting than they had been doing for several years. Management didn't see when things failed to come together and released a barely functional sandbox with the bare minimum of playability in some ways.
Not that they've gotten humbled they let the team figure shit out and now we have a more fully realised game with actual stuff going on.
Mechanics, and builds.
granite solstice
True, the generous side of me wants to say it's cause they got lots of feedback ...
Sort of? Obviously an incredible game but I remember fairly significant bugs
icy pecan
I didn't encounter much in terms of bugs
I am bad at noticing bugs they aren't game breaking though
Or obivious visuals one
arctic palm
just "obtained" this video game
it's been downloading for two and a half hours
exciting
vast scroll
its a big boy
willow harness
A friend of mine reported that the later acts of BG3 were nearly nonfunctional for them at launch
(I also encountered a more minor bug at the very start where throwing an Imp into a bottomless pit made us stuck in Combat Mode despite all the enemies being dead until we hit a cutscene)
junior phoenix
A friend of mine reported that the later acts of BG3 were nearly nonfunctional f...
Think you missed the thread
Oh wait I think I see the connection
willow harness
Think you missed the thread
It was in response to the above convo about whether or not BG launched with bugs- yeah
sage junco
Yeah like, I don't 'forgive' CDred or anything
Not that I would pre order but they still don't have my trust back or anything
But, the current game is very good
And I will recommend it as it currently is
I am very much hoping they take this as a lesson to take the time they need rather than an excuse to do it again
But I know its probably gonna be the latter
And yeah even ignoring early access BG3 did have bugs
Especially act 3
Not nearly as bad as cyberpunk being unplayable on older gen consoles at launch but still
But my second BG3 playthough and my cyberpunk playthoughs have been for the most part bug free
I think both crashed once. And cyberpunk sometimes has a lighting issue where they flare up
pale saddle
My latest playthrough has some some weird bits of models being out of position. Like a cib placed in the lower right of my FoV instead of low enough to be inside of V's mouth, or Judy being like a foot or two away from the ledge she was supposed to be leaning on.
toxic prism
Not that they've gotten humbled they let the team figure shit out and now we hav...
There was a good article I read on this, where they outright admitted that Witcher 3 made them cocky (since Witcher 3 was also similarily super buggy on release)
So they thought they could do it again
pale saddle
Always Sunny in Philadelphia music plays "They could not do it again"