Always wondered what this big thing off the edge of Pacifica was, seemed like a setpiece area that didn't get implemented or something
And now I see its part of the Phantom Liberty map 😛
#Cyberpunk 2077
willow harness
soft oak
Wonder what Reed meant when he said “||Too damn late||”
Was it about ||feeling regret and hesitation in that final moment||
toxic prism
||Which ending?||
soft oak
||When you send songbird to the stars and mortally wound him, he tries to shoot you back, can’t pull the trigger, and instead falls to his knees muttering “too damn late…”||
fervent lagoon
||so that ending changes if you shoot him in the head||
soft oak
Yeah
If you ||shoot him in the head, he dies instantlu||
||if you shoot him anywhere else, he tries to shoot you too, but can’t bring himself to do it||
My theory was that his ||final emotion was regret and remorse for his actions as to why he didn’t pull the trigger and his final words||
severe geyser
The secret to busted hacking is the queue and overclock. My main combo is cyberware malfunction x3 then short circuit, drops any non-boss
willow harness
Doing gigs and god
Tech Weapons kick so much ass
I got that optic that lets me see through walls when aiming and when I see two dudes posting up in cover behind a closed door because they heard a gunshot and know I'm coming
And I just blow them away through the door before coming in
I feel like a fucking Terminator
soft oak
Doing gigs and god
Tech Weapons kick so much ass
I got that optic that lets me s...
Which tech weapon are you using
As always I’m a proponent of the Raiju/Senkoh
For room clearing with CHAIN LIGHTNING
willow harness
Which tech weapon are you using
The Satara, tech shotgun
Which is enhanced by the fact that seemingly half the time I use it its spread is set to 0 when aiming down sights, making it fire instakill hellslugs
At this point I don't know if 0 spread on ADS is a bug, or if its a feature and a bug is making the spread toggle not happen sometimes
bright granite
My brain hates making Full-Auto bolt weapons work, it feels so weird to do
soft oak
Haha
It took me a while to understand
But now I’ve gotten the hang of full auto bolt weapons
And they are hilarious with chain lightning
Perfect for dropping entire armies of gangoons
acoustic mountain
ok cant wear this outfit anymore
i cant even see it in first person but the tattoo clipping through the mesh is just a dealbreaker
coral karma
Is it just the tattoo or is it also flesh?
acoustic mountain
no idea but its not even so i hate it
light anchor
Hello Thompson
severe geyser
The lack of gloves in this game is, honestly, a total travesty.
bold vault
two things abt the fashion in this game bug the hell out of me and that's one of em.
the other thing is that some fashion combos make no sense to me.
i thought you could wear a tac vest/harness/other gear over a hoodie, bc you can definitely do that irl. but the tac vests and hoodies occupy the same slot which doesn't make a damn lick of sense to me
especially since the hoodies override anything you're wearing under them anyway
severe geyser
Also, sleeves are always rolled up in first person.
drifting patio
What's the reason?
bold vault
viewmodels
light anchor
Chrome clipping
bold vault
like, if you had mantis blades for instance your sleeves would clip into them
drifting patio
Ah
bold vault
i know it's for ease of use bc it would require creating two separate viewmodels
one with sleeves up and one with sleeves down
for every top with sleeves
and while on the playerside, that would be a welcome- nay, immersive- change
on the dev side, that would be substantially more work.
severe geyser
I don't know why it took me until I saw his character model to realize but. Colonel Kurt Hansen. Colonel Walter Kurtz.
fervent lagoon
you'd need adam jensen sleeves to accomodate your cyberware
same with the projectile gun
bold vault
I don't know why it took me until I saw his character model to realize but. Colo...
also kurt russell, since cdpr admitted that escape from new york was a large influence
icy pecan
Huh I just killed a ripperdoc
Didn't realize they'd let you kill one ||as an option for a quest||
light anchor
Yeah they never show. Up again
icy pecan
Oh wait there's also fingers I guess
light anchor
The shop closes
toxic prism
Fingers deserves it tbf
Not sure about Charles (which isn't to say he doesnt, I just never looked into it)
bold vault
i had no hesitation with fingers
light anchor
Not sure about Charles (which isn't to say he *doesnt*, I just never looked into...
he sells ||scav cyberware, so different kind of human predator||
toxic prism
Ah
soft oak
charles is a literal predator
bold vault
the second i got the prompt i just kept punching
toxic prism
In PL ||There's a Cyberdoc who kills Scavs and repurposes their cyberware for use of the poor and those who need it but cannot afford it and whatnot||
soft oak
I just chalked that one down to some twistesd karma
toxic prism
||interestingly it's the only quest/gig we also meet a mildly sympathetic Scav||
||The Scav leader let the civilians leave unharmed. She wanted to know where her brother was (he was scrapped for parts)||
icy pecan
||According to the doc he was in a coma after overdosing on drugs. Doesn't really make it better but his justification is he was dead anyways since they couldn't afford a real doc||
toxic prism
||Yeah||
soft oak
Honestly I think the ||doc is probably lying||
icy pecan
I wouldn't put it past him
toxic prism
||I sided with the Doc because even if he was kind of a Dick, the scavs are... scavs||
soft oak
considering he had no qualms about ||scrapping the scavs I knocked out for parts||
Mr. Hands doesn't pay us to ask questions
toxic prism
||And he's putting the cybernetics to good use. It isn't like he's selling them on the black market||
||He's pretty much giving them to people who need it, like poor people and whatnot||
||not everyone can afford to be a fullborg like V||
light anchor
Cybers V
severe geyser
Scavs ||murder people, kidnap folks and scroll XBDs, and steal cyberwear and organs.|| Fuck 'em.
toxic prism
Yeah
icy pecan
I'd choose most anything over scavs
soft oak
I decided that ||the doctor probably did murder the scav and harvest him for parts||
but you know, a scav is the last person to complain about it happening to him
toxic prism
||They're arguably the worst faction tbh, barring maybe the Raffen.||
soft oak
I mean I can't say I'm really better than the doc
because I test out weapons on random scavs enjoying a party in pacifica
and arguably that's worse
severe geyser
Raffen are just the nomad equivalent of scavs.
icy pecan
Raffens i'd sort of say is worse? Since anyone who is a raffen is unambigiously bad since nomads get kicked out and join other nomads often but it takes a special someone to knowingly join raffens considering they're all there because they were too amoral for even nomads
soft oak
yeah but
is amoral by nomad standard really evil by city standard
or particularly evil, I mean
toxic prism
I'm pretty sure my V has singlehandedly lowered the life expectancy of Night City
Given I did every Mission, Gig, NCPD thing, and whatnot
soft oak
V related murders are an outlier and should not be counted in the sample
the body count lottery is in shambles
trail bronze
are the nomad families really shining beacons of hope and justice in the first place
toxic prism
The Nomads at least generally operate by a code
icy pecan
the body count lottery is in shambles
No wonder V won the car, she had like 90% of the tickets
toxic prism
As cliche as that sounds
severe geyser
V Cyberpunk is the leading cause of death in Night City.
soft oak
next to scop related deaths?
toxic prism
Granted said code differs between clans
trail bronze
yeah, the body count of 30 in the intro video sounds terrible but once you get in game it’s pretty pathetic
toxic prism
Yeah
soft oak
hmm
scop is insect protein molded and flavored to look and taste like other kinds of meat right
toxic prism
30 bodies in a day seems like a glacial slow day in Night City ngl
soft oak
and most meat you see in game is made of the stuff?
toxic prism
Let's party like its 2023 and show them what a real number is
But yeah
I think V probably has a quadruple digit kill count by the end of the game
light anchor
30 bodies in a day seems like a glacial slow day in Night City ngl
that's why he's so happy
toxic prism
Or at least I wouldn't be surprised if they did
light anchor
it's a solid number
Nothing dramatic, but nothing amazing
the body lottery is also only identified bodies
trail bronze
scop is insect protein molded and flavored to look and taste like other kinds of...
that’s about the size of it yeah
toxic prism
Especially since 2077 takes place over like, a few weeks iirc?
soft oak
V says that to a group of 'scavs' she meets in a side gig in PL
light anchor
Rise and grind choomfie
soft oak
"Hey I bet on 30 for the body count lottery, but last time I checked they only identified 26 bodies and there's four of you so...."
light anchor
V is basically a mid tier Merc at the start of the game tbf
toxic prism
True
icy pecan
Yea V just gets contact by some of the top fixers in NC
toxic prism
But ||taking on Arasaka solo, including Smasher, and winning, pretty much means V is the best edgerunner on the planet||
icy pecan
She's done work with Jackie
severe geyser
A mid teir merc with only one peice of cyberwear too, an old Militech deck.
soft oak
A legend
toxic prism
A mid-tier merc to arguably an international legend ||with international impact|| is not a small deal
light anchor
That's cyberpunk baby
toxic prism
DFTR is still the Canon ending to me
toxic prism
V fucked up a job so bad they got -10 rep
I think the canon reason they work alone is because everyone they work with dies
See: Konpeki
icy pecan
A mid teir merc with only one peice of cyberwear too, an old Militech deck.
Hey there's the kiroshi optics and fancy hands
fervent lagoon
scop is insect protein molded and flavored to look and taste like other kinds of...
scop isn't even insect protein
single cell organic proteins
err
huh
nevermind, apparently scop is insect protein
I swear it was like vat grown
severe geyser
Hey there's the kiroshi optics *and* fancy hands
Not in the six month montage. They get those as treat for Konpeki.
icy pecan
Oh yea true
And you only start off with a pistol
V and Jackie must have been a godly duo
severe geyser
We see them using a copperhead during the montage, but I guess it broke or something.
soft oak
single cell organic proteins
apparently it was originally single celled organic proteins
but now its just a generic term for all similar products
including insect based meat
V also mentions in one mission that the scavs would’ve turned them to scop
So apparently that might be a way to dispose of bodies for scavs
severe geyser
Also dying light but its was a the shop getting tuned up during the scavs job
Also, its pure cope cause Reed almost definitely killed them but I wanna imagine Jacob and Taylor are cruising away to happiness in their new Rayfield.
soft oak
Oh
I was very trigger happy
So i started blasting moment they started being clever
Also
FIA is cheap as fuck
All that government money and they pay me 8000 Eddie’s for my services
willow harness
I just got the iconic sandevistan
The one you can toggle on and off, and that extends its duration on kill
And I also have Axolotl, for 9% cyberware cooldown on kill
And good lord
I am just shredding stuff, dancing between sandevistan and kereznikov to keep slow mo up constantly
severe geyser
Falcon or Apogee?
soft oak
I wonder if all of smasher’s stuff is arasaka proprietary gear
Or if he buys from militech too
fervent lagoon
he's got a kang tao smart shotgun
fervent lagoon
and iirc his current body is a modified IEC dragoon
willow harness
Falcon or Apogee?
Falcon, iirc
severe geyser
Yeah, and his flashback body was a NovelTech Samson. He also had a Gemini body that looked like buff blond Elvis. Also he sounded just like Elvis prior to the 4th corporate war. Smasher's fucking weird man.
willow harness
I imagine once you get to Adam Smasher level dudes Arasaka cares more about results than brand loyalty
severe geyser
Also not show in game was the DaiOni body, which is weird because that was the one he used when silverhand attacked at the tower.
light anchor
Falcon, iirc
Apogee is the refresh on kill 85% slow one
orchid apex
What build are you running otherwise?
apogee and axolotl and kerenzikov are
kinda fuckin broken lmao
severe geyser
Also the Apogee is the same model sandy David used in edgerunners
orchid apex
Hell yeah it is
I only got six months to live who gives a shit about cyberpsychosis
Here for a good time not a long time
severe geyser
I mean the fury state from the Edgerunner perk is basically going temporarily cyberpsycho.
orchid apex
Regina recruiting V to hunt cyberpsychos like MaxTac did with Melissa Rory be like
but yeah under the professional exterior and general smooth demeanor and style
My V is just
Absolutely fucking nuts
severe geyser
V 🤝 Smasher
Being high functioning cyberpsychos.
orchid apex
Cool, Reflex, and Tech is the best trifecta for stats at 20 change my mind
bold vault
body, reflex and tech. for maximum melee, and being able to just Throw motherfuckers at other motherfuckers
swift mist
V also mentions in one mission that the scavs would’ve turned them to scop
i just kind of understood it as a euphemism for Shit/Shit Food
severe geyser
Oh yeah Int, Tech, and Body are great but airdash is so amazing.
orchid apex
scop stands for soy something organic protein iirc
I don't even have air dash lol
I should probably get it
swift mist
scop stands for soy something organic protein iirc
it does not
drifting patio
It's neat
orchid apex
single cell organic proteins, there we go
drifting patio
Air Dash is one of the things that makes me completely undetectable
severe geyser
Changes how you move forever.
inner yacht
I just started playing the 2.0 patch (don't have money for the dlc yet) and netrunning has been really fun, but I got no idea what to pair it with, cool makes sense for sneaking of course
What else pairs well with the two?
swift mist
follows kibble, which was made by purina
drifting patio
Optical Camo, Tier 5 Apogee and Air Dash and you can literally never be seen by anyone unless you want them to
orchid apex
I so far don't have opcam either
drifting patio
Air Dash is optional, Optical Camo might be
orchid apex
funnily enough my cool investment isn't really into stealth
it's into pistols and knives
drifting patio
At this point it's just for the 100% crit rate with Oda's sword
orchid apex
I'm a straight up dex fighter as opposed to a sneak
inner yacht
Tbh I have a real problem with making builds in videogame RPGs compared to TTRPGs, idk why
orchid apex
shrugs
inner yacht
I'll blame my ADHD
orchid apex
just the best comparison that immediately came to me
I can sneak around, and the knife is to have a silent ranged option to do that
swift mist
without a DM to tailor the experience it can be precarious because all too common are RPGs made with specific builds in mind, so it sometimes feels like, you're stepping on eggshells or something
orchid apex
but I can end a straight up fight in about 8 seconds
junior phoenix
icy pecan
V dropping the crime rates while she's alive and dropping apartment rent after she dies
toxic prism
So is Perelez being brainwashed to be a nicer person, or is he being brainwashed to be more corporate?
light anchor
i think the second
drifting patio
^
toxic prism
Regardless of the Motive it's still pretty fucked up
drifting patio
Like, apparently he gets super paranoid and starts degrading mentally if you tell him, but also
orchid apex
I mean yeah
toxic prism
Like, apparently he gets super paranoid and starts degrading mentally if you tel...
Yeah I just got the credits call from him
He basically goes full paranoid conspiracy theorist
drifting patio
Someone is digging around in his head he has a fucking right to know
drifting patio
His fucking wife, though, goddamn
trail bronze
it's only a paranoid conspiracy theory if they aren't out to get you
orchid apex
I feel so bad for both of them lol
drifting patio
I'm gonna give her the benefit of the doubt, and say that she's been fucked with to not tell him.
toxic prism
Especially when the conspiracy has links to the other side of the Blackwall
drifting patio
Oh yeah
orchid apex
Literally "You tell him, he dies."
toxic prism
Yeah she was withholding info, literally to keep Jeff safe
Not in the "ignorance is bliss way"
But the "tell him and we'll flatline him" way
orchid apex
But I am not his wife and feel like being a bit of a shit-stirrer
drifting patio
I kinda forgot about that, because she says "If you tell him it'll hurt his chances of winning the election, so don't."
orchid apex
and also tbh the guy should know
toxic prism
It's what Johnny would have done
toxic prism
I kinda forgot about that, because she says "If you tell him it'll hurt his chan...
He wins anyways, tbf
fervent lagoon
So is Perelez being brainwashed to be a nicer person, or is he being brainwashed...
both kinda iirc
orchid apex
I rly like how they edge you towards acting like Johnny the closer and closer you get to the end of the game
fervent lagoon
peralez is being brainwashed to be the best progressive mayoral candidate
toxic prism
I don't like "brain control for the greater good" cause like
orchid apex
Unless you try really hard not to
toxic prism
It's probably the single biggest personal violation possible
drifting patio
See, I just act similar to Johnny anyways cause fuck the Corps what have they ever done for us
fervent lagoon
But I am not his wife and feel like being a bit of a shit-stirrer
My V is growing increasingly "I was contracted to do X" over time mostly because I'll be honest some of these gigs are being commissioned by people who should really know better
toxic prism
Tbf
fervent lagoon
the two morons from PL come to mind
toxic prism
Johnny's a very cynical idealist
As odd as thst sounds
He does genuinely mean well
He's just a massive dick about it
Plus his variety of personal issues
fervent lagoon
also his ego yeah
toxic prism
He's compared to Reed for a reason
orchid apex
See, I just act similar to Johnny anyways cause fuck the Corps what have they ev...
Act like Johnny as in 'fuck this' cuts through the shit by blowing someone's brains out after I've been convinced they're too stupid to talk to
toxic prism
Because they have very strong convinctions
Reed just put his loyalty before his ideals
orchid apex
Oh yeah speaking of Reed got PL for myself
gonna finally experience that stuff which'll be fun
toxic prism
||And it hurt him a lot regardless of the ending||
orchid apex
Is ||Her Majesty|| any good?
toxic prism
Yes
fervent lagoon
it's solid
toxic prism
Very much so
fervent lagoon
fun gun
orchid apex
nice
toxic prism
Best stealth gun imo
fervent lagoon
body tech int has done pretty well for me statwise
orchid apex
would it be good as a replacement for Knife ™️ as a stealth ranged option
fervent lagoon
body for more HP, tech for more healing and cyberware, int for quickhacks
toxic prism
I went Body Reflex Tech
orchid apex
Cool Reflex Tech all the way chooms
fervent lagoon
so I can dump 1400 hp into overclock before my first set of quickhacks has finished uploading
trail bronze
i don't think you can beat body int tech
the question is do you sacrifice a little bit of body so you can airdash
orchid apex
I mean
toxic prism
Body/Reflex/Tech turns the game into Ultrakill
willow harness
I'm doing body/tech/cool personally
orchid apex
Pilcrow with Apogee I can shoot ten people in the face from the hip with a pistol in 8 seconds subjective time
At like 30 meters
drifting patio
Body/Reflex/Tech turns the game into Ultrakill
But Dash is a Reflex talent?
trail bronze
i think you can have enough reflexes to airdash and use gorilla arms to get your body up to 20 to open doors
orchid apex
aw god damn it her majesty syncs with opcam
drifting patio
i think you can have enough reflexes to airdash and use gorilla arms to get your...
To open doors? Yes. To get the perk that lets you yeet people? No 
.
trail bronze
closed doors are a personal insult to me
orchid apex
part of me wants to go away from the knife and maybe into smgs or ARs?
willow harness
Body Tech is so fun because of all the locked doors yeah lol
fervent lagoon
throwing weapons are great though
soft oak
but given that everything else she said was very reasonable expectation of what would've happened to her
fervent lagoon
the noise they make on impact is mwah
soft oak
I think there probably is an urban legend that scavs turn leftover meat of their victims to bootleg scop
whether its true or not is ehhh
but I wouldn't put it past the scavs
orchid apex
or maybe precision rifles...
willow harness
or maybe precision rifles...
Precision rifles kick ass
They're kind of just better pistols in a way, though the real star of the show is the Achilles
Really in a class of its own
orchid apex
or do I just wanna go fuck it and respec into a full combat character and let go of the stealth stuff...
fervent lagoon
I've been doing stealth with little to no actual speccing into stealth
optical camo, hacking, and a throwing axe
toxic prism
I spec into stealth by having no one alive
icy pecan
Axes are ironically better than knives for stealth since their double is much higher
You can do a axe headshot into a finisher for silent elite takedowns
The iconic axe whilst very good in combat is not quiet at all
orchid apex
knife feels more fitting for the vibes of my V imo
kind of lowkey
as in she tries to keep it lowkey and have all her weapons save byakko be concealable
icy pecan
The antipersonal grenades are very fun if you can throw like 3 of them
orchid apex
I wish the game let you have four weapon slots
I wouldn't agonize so much over how to change my build to accomodate more weapon variety lmao
willow harness
You can just swap what weapons are in your slots mid fight iirc
orchid apex
I mean I'm not gonna remember to do that lol
willow harness
Through the inventory
I can't imagine your doing crazy 4 weapon swap combos every fight or something
icy pecan
Apogee with blade deflect, for a glorious moment while the sandy is active you can machine gun bullets back at an unfortunate enemy
reef stirrup
Body 20 for the win
icy pecan
Even body 15 makes you absurdly tanky as long as you have heals to use
Not me tanking like 2000 damage over time by drinking a 3 bloodkits with my biomonitor
And adrenaline
fervent lagoon
yeah Max Quickhack is overpowered
orchid apex
Our third attempt has lasted about five minutes lmao
fervent lagoon
beyond the COX-2 being a 1000+% damage boost because it's bugged but also just V looks at like 6 guys, tags them with synapse burnout which doesn't add to trace progress because nothing's actually hit yet, exits quickhack slomo, chugs two blood pump charges, tags another 8 guys, then cleans up the rest with alternative synapse burnout and system collapse
fervent lagoon
and the amount of CDR you can get means that after you drop 8 guys everything is off of cooldown again
orchid apex
I bruteforce the dogtown entrance
icy pecan
Fight the entirety of dogtowns forces
fervent lagoon
no idea
it is pretty....interesting... how awful dogtown is
like, just how wrecked this place is
being able to slap a pax on anything is great though
yes this tech weapon that can shoot through walls is definitely safe to be headshot by
well
not safe but not immediately lethal
orchid apex
UM WHAT THE FUCK
||HOW THE FUCK CAN SONGBIRD SEE JOHNNY||
||OH I AM NOT OKAY WITH THAT||
icy pecan
Lol did you accidentally start PL?
orchid apex
Oh not accidentally no
I was trying to start PL
||BRING JOHNNY BACK YOU TWO-TIMING BITCH||
icy pecan
||I imagine it's similar to how she can hack your relic and install militech grade combatware on it||
orchid apex
||GET. THE FUCK. OUT.||
fervent lagoon
PL Dungeon:
"Wait why didn't they take anything?"
V, scurrying off with 400 pounds of other people's guns:
I gotta check the other spots now
also I feel bad for whoever does the body lotto while V is around
"well uh....shit"
oh my god there's more of these
orchid apex
tfw ||you get hit and run by a fucking spaceplane||
Do I wanna do the wildcard play and become very much a close range specialist
And do Body for Shotguns
fervent lagoon
shotguns fuck
severe geyser
I forgot cyberpunk 2077 comes with a bunch of cool free things like wallpapers and the cyberpunk 2020 rule book.
reef stirrup
Do power shotguns one shot enemies?
Obliterate gives you a consistent one shot chance, on Hard a T5++ Guts with the full shotgun tree natively one shots everything outside of heavies on a close range ADS headshot
And it full on ragdolls whatever non boss it doesn't kill
icy pecan
I've been wanting alternative to knives and I already have 20 body for tanking
It seems efficient
reef stirrup
It's very good
Guts and the Carnage shotguns are my favourite but any of them can work
The Teostras are best in Sandy if you're using that
icy pecan
What does teostras do
I'm thinking about respecing my 2nd character for body int tech with hacking and shotguns as backup
reef stirrup
Double barrel that shoots both at once
bold vault
i'm partial to the crusher myself
orchid apex
So
Songbird is ||100% the militech guy's in in Washington, no?||
Oh hello obvious bossfight room
How are you doing today
drifting patio
I like the Carnage, because I have a fond memory of early in the game, when I was still kinda figuring out what I was doing, using it in one of Regina's gigs
It was the one where you're finding the XBD tuners
So I was fighting through some Maelstrom, and I shot a guy with the Carnage
It gibs the guy, kills his buddy behind him and knocks the guy standing nearby flat on his ass with like, 1 hp remaining
fervent lagoon
Songbird is ||100% the militech guy's in in Washington, no?||
||wdym||
orchid apex
||wdym||
||The only way Space Force One could get hacked is an in in Washington. So Mi is 100% that in, given her opinion of Myers and her history of extortion or working with Arasaka, given she facilitated their attempted assassination of him on the train in 2070.||
fervent lagoon
oh that
uhhh
you'll find out
dw
royce being super into music is a great bit of depth though
orchid apex
Yay Johnny's back
willow harness
Yay Johnny's back
(He is killing you)
reef stirrup
A lot of people postulated Johnny wouldn't be very present in PL but he really is
As much so as the main game
I'm glad they brought Keanu back
orchid apex
(He *is* killing you)
I mean see above I'm here for a good time not a long time lmao
orchid apex
Question
||Are the two guys Myers and I just shot for entering the penthouse questgivers lmao||
soft oak
||Are the two guys Myers and I just shot for entering the penthouse questgivers ...
||nah||
||they can be reasoned with thoufh||
orchid apex
Eh, fuck 'em
Bloody Maria time
Also Mr. Hands with the hookup god damn
What I've always wanted
A shitty little Japanese pickup truck XD
wait no oh my god it's a Jeep ripoff that's even better
I unironically love it
orchid apex
I also just noticed the shotgun and pistol perks are antisynergistic
which is disappointing
reef stirrup
Hmmm... apparently, the Polish voice actor for Viktor passed away, and CDPR, after consulting with and getting express permission from his family, used generative AI to replicate his voice for some Viktor lines in PL
orchid apex
former needs low stam, latter needs high
reef stirrup
What do folks think about this?
orchid apex
also huh
Given it's with express permission I can't be too on their ass?
But it's still weird?
reef stirrup
Yeah, I'm conflicted
Them getting the go ahead means I don't want to be too critical but I don't like the precedent it sets
orchid apex
Neither do I
reef stirrup
I also just noticed the shotgun and pistol perks are antisynergistic
I find it's not tooooo much of an issue unless you're hotswapping a lot in combat - pistols and shotguns fill a lot of the same role, so I go with a sniper in the third slot and it hasn't been much of an issue
orchid apex
I do in fact hotswap a lot
My combat style is very much dynamically deciding if I wanna slice em, stick em, or shoot em
That said
I have found my solution for the ten extra levels worth of perk points
The Projectile Launch System
reef stirrup
Nice
orchid apex
So I can run the gamut from nice, stealthy knife kills
To a cyberpsychosis fueled rampage of hip fire headshots and arm cannon explosions
Also Dogtown?
Dogtown is my fuckin kinda place
soft oak
Don’t forget the perma buffs
orchid apex
The Adreno-Trigger is fucking insane?????
I'm fuckin buyin that shit
And I am now right at my Edgerunner cap lmao
God fuckin damn lol
Oh the projectile launcher feels so much better
even with no perks oh my god
charred harbor
what my phone looked like after finishing 2077
toxic prism
I forgot I saved Takemura after DFTR
And I felt really bad for leaving him alive tbh
Die thinking you did the right thing, or live knowing you helped bring down your life's work?
rough laurel
love accidentally necksnapping someone because I was picking a dialog option, lol
v has fucking lost it
light anchor
Die thinking you did the right thing, or live knowing you helped bring down your...
think takemura picked die
you must imagine the takemura happy
toxic prism
think takemura picked die
Yeah he kills himself after telling you to rot in hell
charred harbor
love accidentally necksnapping someone because I was picking a dialog option, lo...
i have like
the super natural ability to trigger the edgerunner buff
at really lore accurate times
so i've got this super serious situation and v's just casually going crazy as i start to make johnny jealous of how well i use his gun
soft oak
God these fuckin dumbass corrupt cops lmao
One of them is dating the sister of Sasha from edgerunners trailer
Funnily enough
soft oak
The contract giver is the sister I mean
orchid apex
Ye
toxic prism
I fuckin love Dodger lmao
The funny thing is, Dodger literally just lets you go if you haven't killed any of his men
Including letting the cops go as well
toxic prism
He's actually a decent guy, insofar as anyone in Barghest be can be decent ig
And tbf the situation is almost comical
Even V is exasperated
toxic prism
"What the fuck"
soft oak
“Get a load of this guy”
toxic prism
Assuming you've gone the nonlethal route, he is so entertained by the series of events he just lets you guys go
Which is also funny to me
soft oak
Killing two cops for killing a drug addict in his base of operation is bad for business
toxic prism
Also the drug addict already a doomed dumbass anyways
He took a comical amount of drugs
soft oak
The stolen drug was basically a write-off anyways. 10k isn’t that much in the scale he’s operating on
toxic prism
Yeah
Regardless
The Gigs in PL are so much better than the base game
They're actual missions and not just "go here and do X"
soft oak
Mr Hands is espescially happy with the non lethal outcome because it allowed him to forge a connection with an insider in BARGHEST
toxic prism
Oh huh
I ended up killing Dodger because I didn't go the nonlethal route >_>
Good to know though
soft oak
Mr Hands missions are like that I think
toxic prism
Hands congratulated me for removing Dodger from the equation
So I think either way he benefits
soft oak
Subtle acts that strengthen his position
orchid apex
Man
toxic prism
Which in turn basically makes him the most powerful Fixer in the city
orchid apex
Trying to figure out what fit my V is gonna wear to storm Saka
Trying to do 'tactical gear but light and for a nutjob otaku'
soft oak
Do it naked to assert dominance
toxic prism
I think Mr Hands is generally patient and content with playing the long game
orchid apex
nah charlie lmao
toxic prism
He gives me the vibe of a mastermind
soft oak
He wants to take control of dog town, but he clearly also wants to get night city’s criminal underground under his thumb
toxic prism
Well yeah but who doesn't
Granted
Hands is in a pretty powerful.position to do so
But on the other other hand
soft oak
First thing he says to you is basically “I’m gonna line up the rest of night city’s district and snort’em up.”
orchid apex
This is where I am so far
toxic prism
He may be careful not to overplay his hand, per se?
soft oak
Yeah
He’s a careful planner
I wonder if he’ll be an antagonistic force in Cyberpunk Orion
toxic prism
He may go the soft power route over literally controlling the underground
And it's possible
(And controlling Dogtown helps with the soft power route)
soft oak
Dogtown’s got the smuggling routes that bring in the huge moneys
toxic prism
And also Barghest
Which is a small military in its own right
Don't forget Barghest literally sells warmachines internationally
soft oak
Where do they even find these warmachines
They surely only have a limited stockpile of those right
light anchor
I mean how does any arms dealer get their product
container ships
orchid apex
They also probably do their fair share of convoy hits
Like how we did with Panam to grab the Basilisk
rough laurel
Yeah that seems like a fun career tbh
"I ground flying rectangles and take their insides"
light anchor
av hits are uncommon
its mostly hitting land transport and ghost ships
the main advantage of av hits is that theyre very hard to take down
its why panams plan is so
uh
dangerous lmao
your main job as a nomad is drive truck holding thing from a to b
pick up thing at b
rough laurel
I just want to raid transports
rough laurel
The thing I did playing Ellie dangerous yes
orchid apex
Random Scav during a gig where he found a body; "Man I hate all this cowardly horseshit."
Me, overhearing this; "Bet." stands up out of cover and point blanks him with my projectile launcher
toxic prism
Woe, Point Blank Railgun Headshot upon ye
trail bronze
Mr Hands is espescially happy with the non lethal outcome because it allowed him...
he also praises you for murdering him, to be fair
it's a win win for mr hands!
sand dove
Ooh, I had a cool of 20 and intimidated Dodger into letting me go after I murdered everyone on my way out
fervent lagoon
They surely only have a limited stockpile of those right
they make weapons in the stadium
plus they're doing arms dealing stuff so presumably eventually buying things
orchid apex
Anyone using Nehan and Satori?
icy pecan
I once tried it, it's good Regen if you don't have adrenaline from body
Scales with that iconic that increases Regen by body but I found it redundant in my build
If I need to throw nehan at someone tough them slash them for Regen so I can recklessly attack them out of cover then maybe
But I invested in body and tanky enough so I chose byakko for extra damage
orchid apex
gtk
I ask cuz I am currently using Byakko
I don't have adrenaline, full cool/reflex/tech
light anchor
You could try blood pump biomon 5% refresh chance on kill if you're worried about survivability
orchid apex
Oh I wasn't my whole reason for asking was 'I wonder if they are a cool and functional set'
Since I have Nehan and can just buy Satori
orchid apex
I do have blood pump biomon
Both 5++
I honestly do think I'm gonna stick to Byakko actually
Realized I'm too stuck on the post-kill flurry
icy pecan
If you're not dying often then I don't think you need satori and nehan
Its better early act 2 when you're still squishy against elites
light anchor
a minor problem
bold vault
super easy, barely an inconvenience
orchid apex
lmao have fun with that
drifting patio
Oh damn
drifting patio
light anchor
judys abuela is definitely what supportive abuelos look like 
i would not be surprised if she personally tracked you down for failing
orchid apex
?
light anchor
oh yeah you probably have not seen this
if you date judy her abuela will text you to try and figure out if youre good or not
orchid apex
aww lmao
light anchor
she wants her granddaughter to avoid all shitty women
all Vs BANNED from seeing judy
icy pecan
Always woo abuela
light anchor
Hell hath no fury like abuelos
icy pecan
I started shotguns and it's fun. So tanky with adrenaline and fast paced
Combining it with hacking for eventual overclock shenanigans
orchid apex
My next run is gonna be shotty hacker
icy pecan
Just relying on body and no sandy is an interesting feeling
orchid apex
Well more accurately shotty, lmg, melee hacker
icy pecan
I got to play more carefully when I can't just stop time
Or deflect bullets with katana
orchid apex
I sense that will be my main problem as well lol
God I am going to miss bullet deflect
icy pecan
It's interesting, sometimes I got to run behind cover to regen
fervent lagoon
press x more
icy pecan
X?
laughs in biomonitor
fervent lagoon
I can't use a biomon I need to fit more chrome
icy pecan
I don't look at my HP bar anymore, the cause of many deaths on new playthroughs before I have bloodpump and biomonitor
willow harness
Adrenaline plus overclock sounds nutty, wow
fervent lagoon
what
reef stirrup
it's so good
icy pecan
Also knocks down enemies, it's mostly a stat stick pistol cause it has the highest headshot mod damage, reload, and speed for a revolver
Archangel is the pistol for loud cool builds
fervent lagoon
pulling the song up it sounds like it fires to the tempo but not anything beyond that
which is mildly disappointing
orchid apex
There are so many god damn scanner hustles
swift mist
my favorite ones are the gigs where v's like, wry and full of energy despite not smiling in weeks
i think i can see the plot iterations glaring through them
v KILLING PEOPLE: lol owned check this shit
v after something absolutely wretched happens to someone that doesn't hate their guts in a main quest and they have to comfort them or something: ouuurrgh the macintosh in my head ||is making dead matter in my brain|| i will die any second
i loved the story but i hope whatever orion goes with isn't something that's a matter of days
trail bronze
i got a couple of iconic quickhacks last night
one is a slightly better system collapse that’s actually sorta competitive with cox-2 bugged synapse burnout
the other is suicide with a base ram cost of 110
not sure i’ll be slotting that any time soon
light anchor
sounds cheap
icy pecan
the other is suicide with a base ram cost of 110
Use it with overclock and it'll kill you
icy pecan
I haven't gotten bloody maria yet but carnage shotgun feels so good
Super meaty sound and feeling when you blast someone to pieces
coral karma
Memory is a bit murky, is there an Iconic, or more, for each weapon type? Ie Smart SMG, Power Pistol etc etc
light anchor
i have so far found iconic Smart for all subgenres
coral karma
Is there a Smart Pistol besides Skip?
soft oak
Super meaty sound and feeling when you blast someone to pieces
Using the Guts iconic?
soft oak
Is there a Smart Pistol besides Skip?
Yeah
A couple actually
There’s one you can find in an arasaka residence somewhere
And another you can find in one of the gigs in doge town
soft oak
There is no war in ba xing sei
fervent lagoon
8
willow harness
I may be a little addicted to doing gigs
I've got the max street cred achievement before meeting Panam
drifting patio
Huh
Wanna keep playing the game, but I've also already done everything that I want to do...
And I don't have the DLC
It'd basically be me just driving around to every unexplored side job on the map and I don't know if I want to do that
drifting patio
Why not?
(Like, I know there's a lore reason, I'm just not entirely sure what that reason is)
fervent lagoon
pacifica was declared an independent district
so night city has nothing to do with it
light anchor
more accurately, night city abandoned it by declaring it an independent district after the development failed
severe geyser
Pacifica is a combat zone, an urban area that has become so decayed and inundated with crime and gang activity it is declared a no-go zone by police and local government.
light anchor
by establishing pacifica as independent from night city they ensured they no longer have to do anything to maintain it
its basically an advanced further level of the fuck you they offer everywhere else
fervent lagoon
yeah
severe geyser
Also. I might be wrong but, I'm pretty sure pre-2.0 SMGs used to use heavy ammo and I understand why they changed it, if they did, but it annoys me because most smart guns are pistols and SMGs so now they share an ammo pool.
toxic prism
||Do you think if Yorinobu shows up in Orion, would he would be an ally or enemy of V?||
soft oak
I don’t think|| Yorinobu really gives a shit||
Not to mention ||V is probably dead or gone from the story by then||
toxic prism
Fair
coral karma
IIRC, Orion is a different office than the one that did 2077, so not even sure if V will be a protag of it. Or have we gotten any info on that?
soft oak
but will Johnny Silverhands show up
coral karma
And that is is in fact a Sequel seems to be confirmed
But yeah, it is getting developed by CDPRNA in Boston
drifting patio
Is orion even it's name?
bold vault
internal name probably
drifting patio
Isn't that just, the internal name of it?
bold vault
whatever the case, they better give it all the time it needs to cook, and set realistic project expectations this time around.
toxic prism
Yeah
Though iirc CDPR said themselves Witcher 3 made them arrogant
I hope they learned their lesson and take things a bit slower
bold vault
that union better not've been for nothing, s'all i'm sayin-
toxic prism
Basically they got away with a lot of the stuff in Witcher 3
So they did the same in Cyberpunk and it uh. Didn't go well
coral karma
As we don't have a date, not even a year, and the new studio location is not listed on their website, we can't really be sure how it will go
severe geyser
Considering ||V has only 6 months, if that, in all but two endings and johnny takes over in one|| I doubt v will be in orion outside a mention.
drifting patio
The new studio isn't even forming until next year, no?
acoustic mountain
Considering ||V has only 6 months, if that, in all but two endings and johnny ta...
i guess it depends how far in the future orion is and what ending is canon
severe geyser
Maybe they'll do a witcher 3 and have a save import or multiple choice quiz if you didn't import near the start.
Kotor II did similar.
icy pecan
I hope we get to meet John Cyberpunk in orion
coral karma
We have no date on when the studio is getting formed, besides post-PL. They have said that the core of 2077s team will follow to Boston, among them the Quest DIrector
light anchor
i already met john cyberpunk
coral karma
Have we met May?
light anchor
icy pecan
Amazing
severe geyser
Isn't John Cyberpunk Johnny Silverhand's first stagename?
light anchor
holy shit john cyberpunk
icy pecan
Wild mannered Johnny Silverhand as the John Cyberpunk?
light anchor
hello 4d6 HL
light anchor
yeah that's kojima
severe geyser
Voiced by him and everything.
willow harness
Man
My body/tech build has kind of just become a Cool build
Sandevistan headshots with an Overture just kill everything
Looking forward to getting the Malorian but also geez I barely have a reason to use my shotgun anyway
drifting patio
The Sandy feels stupid strong and it's kinda great, but also it feels like "press e to win"
acoustic mountain
blue eyes is a data transfer usually
toxic prism
fair
acoustic mountain
you see it all the time
the one weird case is mr blue eyes, cause his eyes are always lit up
light anchor
The Sandy feels stupid strong and it's kinda great, but also it feels like "pres...
counterpoint:
ore wa dio
acoustic mountain
i mean, theres a ton of ways to just win
over clock + smart weapon kinda deletes people with endless headshots
icy pecan
What's the best iconic shotgun?
icy pecan
Can you get adam smasher's before the end of the game?
trail bronze
i'm hooked on order
it probably isn't the best strictly speaking but i think it's the most fun
willow harness
Rebecca's is probably the best non-DLC one
At least at filling the shotgun niche
(IE instant kills at extreme close range)
icy pecan
Somehow I haven't found any iconic shotguns and i'm around level 32
toxic prism
Order is also pretty good yeah
acoustic mountain
is sovereign any good?
toxic prism
What's so special about the Original Relic, anyways?
The one with Johnny Silverhand on it
icy pecan
For one it's meant to ||use the engram to take over a deceased body||
acoustic mountain
it was||tech saburo developed to become immortal, basically what happens in the arasaka ending where yorinobu becomes saburo|| (ending spoilers)
fervent lagoon
Can you get adam smasher's before the end of the game?
no
you need a thingy that drops in endgame
bright granite
I always wonder ||Why the hell Alt made Soulkiller in the first place||
trail bronze
why does anyone build the torment nexus, as seen in award-winning novel "don't build the torment nexus"?
bright granite
Well usually it's some nightmare corporation
icy pecan
I just found Guts and wow the recoil is otherworldy
light anchor
I always wonder ||Why the hell Alt made Soulkiller in the first place||
||alt is friends with the guy who decided to destroy the net||
trail bronze
||and also working for a nightmare corporation, as i recall||
fervent lagoon
I always wonder ||Why the hell Alt made Soulkiller in the first place||
||way to preserve the consciousnesses of dying people||
bright granite
||more fucked than the Detonate Grenade hack, Alt. C'mon hon.||
severe geyser
||The og Soulkiller was made for ITS as a way to preserve the consciousness and memories of dying people, arasaka for Alt to make a "weaponized" version.||
reef stirrup
I just found Guts and wow the recoil is otherworldy
It's super high! The body talents help, as does some hand cyberware
Eventually it's not that bad at all
willow harness
So my dual natures of 'shotgun berzerker' and 'pistol sandevistan coolguy' have synthesized with my finding of this monster:
The game gave me a slug shotgun with fucking Desperado
Destiny 2 meta weapon phase shifted into Night City
pale saddle
When bitches really gotta die, you find what you need
severe geyser
Oh god the Desperado can break out how long until the Telesto reaches critical mass and escapes to another game.
pale saddle
It'll be in Marathon
severe geyser
Actually if its that'll be a fun callback the MIDA guns ending up in destiny.
icy pecan
I ended up finding Sovereign and it's great for my can't aim ass
It basically 2 taps elites which is great
And one taps body shot everything else even witb a glancing blow
I can be so much more reckless and schmoving
orchid apex
So my dual natures of 'shotgun berzerker' and 'pistol sandevistan coolguy' have ...
Holy shit, where
willow harness
Holy *shit*, where
An NCPD Scanner thingy in North Oak, dropped by a mech in a big factory
I believe theres a huge antenna at the facility where it happens, you can see it on the map its so big
fervent lagoon
Impala automatics
fervent lagoon
||I mean honestly at the end she'd sold me out so many times that I was half debating feeding her to myers but also fuck the state||
acoustic mountain
it doesn't?
||feels shit in that, we got shafted again||
fervent lagoon
ok I know judy's pretty good at tuning stuff like the doll chips but my V is like 300 pounds of cyberware
a takedown is not that easy
acoustic mountain
ok I know judy's pretty good at tuning stuff like the doll chips but my V is lik...
yeah same here lol
fervent lagoon
not to mention the obligatory "pulls out a gun"
orchid apex
ok I know judy's pretty good at tuning stuff like the doll chips but my V is lik...
I felt the same about ||Reed shoving a gun in our ribs||
Just ||"Bro that bullet isn't going to do anything."||
||"Do you know about what the fuck I have installed lmao"||
trail bronze
ok I know judy's pretty good at tuning stuff like the doll chips but my V is lik...
yeah i figured we were just kinda throwing there
'i'm gonna throw a regular street huscle punch for illustrative purposes and see where it takes us'
trail bronze
||feels shit in that, we got shafted again||
||i feel like i kinda saw it coming and reasoned that i have my own shot at surviving while she's got nothing else, also back in the day i told dex that i was here for a good time not for a long time||
fervent lagoon
...why does red menace have combat augs?
light anchor
...why does red menace have combat augs?
no idea
i assume theyre just chromed up for combat like everyone
trail bronze
maybe the competition for who gets to be center is a bit more direct in 2077
light anchor
idol wars have stepped up since the 90s
instead of using AKs and knives, we've moved onto Militech 300 round SMGs and mantis blades to secure idol territory
icy pecan
If you could afford them why wouldn't you
Also night city is even more dangerous for well known gonks without protection
granite solstice
Is there a good wiki for this game in specific?
I know of fextra but that seems mutually exclusive with “good”
icy pecan
Not really, fandom seems to be the most up to date but only like half the entries are updated to 2.0
bold vault
only thing it's missing is a secondary vehicle mode
aquatic or flying, what do you think?
coral karma
Flying seems to be the most useful in NC
toxic prism
hohohohohohoho
Which car is this?
orchid apex
It's an Outlaw variant El Cap gives you after a PL job
It has guns
And has the uh
the bulletproof windshield tech
toxic prism
Oh that
fervent lagoon
handles very similarly to the caliburn
toxic prism
I don't remember it being black
brittle sable
The only car in the game I can drive without being a danger to myself and others
toxic prism
Mine was silver
fervent lagoon
that's the one mr hands gives you
toxic prism
Black looks cooler
fervent lagoon
different car
toxic prism
Ah
orchid apex
It's not the base version, it's a quest reward
toxic prism
The one I got from El Capitan was Silver
brittle sable
It controls really well with a keyboard and mouse
toxic prism
No, the one I got from the Arasaka quest
fervent lagoon
yeah you really need to go for the supercars to get good handling
the rest are kinda slidy
toxic prism
As am I
orchid apex
eh the bandit has good handling
I'd say the bandit, the nomad cars, and the v-tech are all right
brittle sable
I've been sticking to bikes for the most part, since I couldn't drive cars without totalling them
(I want a bicycle in the game so bad)
orchid apex
Did PL add any new bikes?
I’ve used Jackie’s when I want one the whole damn game lmao
drifting patio
Jackie's
Oh right Jackie's
I thought you were talking about Silverhand and went "Since when did he have a bike?" lol
drifting patio
I used Jackie's until I got the Caliburn, and now I just use that
toxic prism
Akira Bike
light anchor
if you're under 40-50 it turns insanely quickly
and it gets to top speed after about 5 seconds
fervent lagoon
the caliburn just tears up the roads
also shout out to the hellhound for being fast and heavy
and having rocket launchers
drifting patio
I like the Caliburn cause I can take a turn going 200 in that thing
light anchor
the kusanagis control is just great you can shift in an out of lanes with such ease
You never feel slidy trying to get between or dodge cars
Taking turns in it is a learning experience though
brittle sable
I push the brakes and do a Akira-slide to turn
Only real way to do it with a Kusanagi
light anchor
Ye that's the way to do it
it's why i said learning experience
Not immediately intuitive
But super fun
Great handling
brittle sable
It looks sick when you get it right
bold vault
oh shit i forgot to show my V's fit. quite pleased w her
toxic prism
Have mine
rough laurel
I forgot that's a thing in this universe
toxic prism
Anyways my least favorite part of the game are the Silverhand flashbacks
bold vault
does it fuck w the mod or is that just personal preference?
toxic prism
No I just dislike the missions
bold vault
fair enough.
toxic prism
Yes, actually
orchid apex
Oh holy shit I need it immediately
rough laurel
My least favorite bits are trying to drive with M+KB and wondering why a handgun seems to outperform any fancy machinegun I find once it finds itself in my hands
light anchor
It's because the faster you shoot the less damage you do
rough laurel
:(
light anchor
Bullets become stronger by spending more time in the chamber, obviously
rough laurel
But pistol small and doesn't do big dakka noises
light anchor
That's why sniper rifles and rocket launchers are so strong
They have to spend so long to get fired so they build up lots of power
You should make a machine gun with a lot of barrels and chambers so it can charge bullets
rough laurel
Cerberus+1 my beloved, switch to another game for me
rough laurel
See the mistake was falling to cluster all the barrels together
reef stirrup
LMGs in this game are only good under very specific parameters yeah
light anchor
Complete with the accidentally kills you part
light anchor
machine girl (2008)
rough laurel
"why does that man have a box magazine sticking out of his elbow"
junior phoenix
toxic prism
Its ULTRAKILL now
stoic marlin
Tommie from the dlc's sports gig... what a good kid. Loved V's lil convos with young kids
I like that you can just be nice to kids
severe geyser
Apparently there's outfit sets inspired by the table top roles you can find and put together.
acoustic adder
Reed is Neoamerican Takemura
severe geyser
Slash has learned that the problem solver pairs very well with a sandy.
icy pecan
WHat does problem solver do
severe geyser
Its an smg with insanely an insanely high RoF and a bigger mag. 3 times higher them normal with a 90 round mag. A true bullet hose with equally insane recoil. But a 15 percent speed, the recoil is far more manageable.
toxic prism
Reed is Neoamerican Takemura
Neoamerican takemura with a conscience
charred harbor
Neoamerican takemura with a conscience
“With a conscience”
Arguable
Reed is running on autopilot just like Takemura
toxic prism
Or Saburo
Myers also has like, at least nominally altruistic goals
While Hanako/Saburo are just assholes
Her goal is basically to bring America back to the world stage ||and in the Tower ending its implied she succeeds, or at least is on the path there||
Also the FIA, for all its Government spook stuff, actually seems to treat its own well
||In the Tower ending, Reed is basically kicked upstairs for his own good, and V is at the very least offered a cushy Militech/FIA job||
soft oak
Well aside from Songbird anyways
soft oak
And Reed and Alex
toxic prism
Songbird is a complicated case imo
Cause Myers does genuinely view her as a close confidant
soft oak
Honestly though if you go by motivation Myers isn’t all that different from Saburo
soft oak
She kept her promise
toxic prism
Yeah
soft oak
That makes her marginally better
toxic prism
And in a way, her goal for American Dominance is also (in her opinion) good for its citizens
While Saburo is more about imperial power
soft oak
It’s what most people in NC wants tbh so I don’t really have a qualm about militech/nusa reasserting dominance there
toxic prism
Yeah
Just to be clear, I'm not saying she's innocent
She's far from it
Given she's both a former Militech CEO and a pseudo (if not outright) fascist ruler of the NUSA
soft oak
But anyways yeah I do agree that she’s probably better than Saburo
toxic prism
It's just a very low bar
soft oak
At the very least she doesn’t fantasize about nuking Night City again
soft oak
I took i5 to mean he’s been going senile for a while
toxic prism
That's also fair
soft oak
Losing impulse control etc
toxic prism
Plus his Son is directly plotting against him