#dark tidings (Darktide for people in the searchbar)

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spare saffron
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It just feels right.

fierce marten
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What darktide considers a headshot is fairly generous compared to most shooters which makes sense as there's a metric ton of enemies requiring csgo levels of precision is just too big of an ask for the payoff when it's like a single enemy dead in the horde

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Playing like martyr stealth knife zealot changed me forever for horde games and being the fastest glass cannon is very fun. The tension of the high risk gameplay then when you get good it feels satisfying to be the glass cannon that's not glass.

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Helldivers I do a light medic armor + warp pack and I am by far usually the fastest person on the team.

heavy geyser
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You can go even faster with the Momentum keystone! An unlisted feature is Momentum stacks increase your dodge speed and distance, making your dodgeslides huge and fast. It also applies its damage buff to your ranged weapon as well.

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I'm running Momentum with a double barrel in Expeditions and I feel like the doom guy.

regal pendant
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Oh no-

warped crown
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A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON

regal pendant
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NO STAY AWAY I ALREADY RAN YOUR QUEST FOR YOU BEFORE

silk sundial
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Oh Skyrim reference

regal pendant
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hoohoohoohoohoohoo

lost cave
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I finally got the penance for head-popping a dog as it's pouncing. It seems the timing is more generous than I thought cause i got it when it was starting to rear back for the pounce.

marsh gyro
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Did the pox hound launch into the sky as part of Nurgle Space Program

lost cave
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No

warped crown
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what was wrong with the pre patch mark xv eviscerator? i remember it being fine

tough compass
marsh gyro
warped crown
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i think orange hair is bugged
my vet has orange hair and since the patch it's black now

heavy geyser
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both of the Vermintide hair colors are broken as of this patch.

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Very suspicious that the hair color index broke in a way that only affected the premium hair colors.....

brave otter
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Power sword seems very odd for admech but then again they need to give them some base game weapons and a normal ass sword would be weirder
Trans sonic is very exciting

tough compass
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Power sword is an option for Skitarii Alphas!

brave kestrel
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power sword is an option for admech yeah

transonic weapons are specifically sicarians which is interesting

brave otter
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I assume that's just a product of the common, yknow
'Like only one unit gets an eviscerator but since it fits the zealot vibes they get it'

sonic elbow
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weak aura: we don't have repentias so we let all zealots use the repentia sword
strong aura: we let male zealots put on the repentia outfit as a copycat move, justifying the sword

cyan depot
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Eviscerators aren’t super rare they’re just huge awkward weapons which is part of why penitent troops used them so much

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I think they first appeared in Munda?

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They’re sort of a hair shirt sword

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I am wrong it looks like they’re from 2e ministorum priests originally?

opaque crown
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I always felt they've been associated with priests for forever in 40k

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I actually assumed that association pre existed repentia, which i guess was right.

regal pendant
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Fuckin wish the revolver in-game was this big

spare saffron
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I'm still just hoping they give laspistols to the Arbites and Hive Scum classes

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It's the most common sidearm in the galaxy.

sonic elbow
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that would give them access to the pistol with the Ghost on it

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objectively comical on these classes

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arbites going through missions like a counter strike bhop montage

opaque crown
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Honestly every class should have Laspistols. Even ogryns, but they should break theirs and pull another one out

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Gotta have two hands and a little pinky trigger pull

sonic elbow
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man I long for the day vigilant autoguns are good

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headtapper guns are my favourite

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not snipers, but a rapid succession of weakpoint shots for them to work

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I'm not sure what'd differentiate a good vigilant autogun from the laspistols but even a lead laspistol would be a nice cosmetic shakeup

heavy geyser
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Vigilants getting their power from stagger setups rather than crits is the big difference.

opaque crown
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Vigilants feel kinda good all the way through like level 3, but once you get to heresy and damnation they really fall off

spare saffron
drowsy tusk
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<@&1042950387478560878> gonna be on in a bit

rocky dagger
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ok

thick rivet
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YES FINALLY THE GREATCOAT RETURNS TO ROTATION

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BIG BURLY GREATCOAT PSYKER WITH A GIANT FUCKING SWORD

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LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

silk sundial
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new commisar vestements?

thick rivet
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But the good shit

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Inquisitorial Agents

thick rivet
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lmao

regal pendant
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I use the force greatsword too

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Lol

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It's just that I thought sword + staff would look cooler than just one big sword

thick rivet
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faiiiiirrrr lmao

drowsy tusk
marsh gyro
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A Psyker headsplodes precisely when they mean to

drowsy tusk
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<@&1042950387478560878> anyone around for some tide?

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@marsh gyro do you know if ripper melee kills proc born in blood?

marsh gyro
marsh gyro
drowsy tusk
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rip

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like the gun

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ill be back later this evening then anyone else whos around for some tide feel free to ping me

worldly talon
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Once again we have a hive scum cosmetic set for the Veteran

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But no actual Hive Scum cosmetics

quiet escarp
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I think at this point we can expect that we will never get DLC class cosmetics. My impression is not because of GW meddling but because they can't/don't want to sell DLC for DLC. The DLC careers in VT2 also never got additional cosmetics besides the ones from their deluxe upgrade packs. The VT2 careers are also only available as their deluxe versions on Xbox, though Darktide offers them separately as well on Xbox so idk

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I think if we ever get more cosmetics for the DLC classes they'll be added as more unlockables from challenges rather than as paid content

fierce marten
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Another reason why the OG base 4 Rejects are OP, they got drip

worldly talon
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I mean they already both have paid cosmetics

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Just one page of them

spare saffron
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Loose Cannon vet and Hive Scum feels like they could share cosmetics, or even voicelines, honestly.

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Like, you could swap the kit and personality and it would still work.

fierce marten
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Yea, good amount of overlap except one served in the guard and one didn't

spare saffron
lost cave
spare saffron
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We've finally discovered safe FTL travel.

heavy geyser
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how to kill a sniper with a shotgun

spare saffron
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I love the boomstick, the melee bash is surprisingly excellent for finishing off heavily wounded elites.

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More importantly, it's fun!

slender shell
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Oh I am much more convinced the next class is admech now

sacred pagoda
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I thought that too because of the Techmarine being added at the same time as the Hive Scum.

silk sundial
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Wouldn’t they be separated development and production though

sacred pagoda
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Yeah but my logic was that they might be coordinating with GW in some way.

fierce marten
fierce marten
brave otter
fierce marten
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I mean the guy is a full on heretek, not heretic cause corrupted or delved too deep into Necron tech but like, openly innovate and thinks xenos tech is cool and we should use more of it, mars is backwards for only using STCs type of stuff

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So Pascal will butt heads hard while RT sips tea with a ship that's like 40% xenos tech by end game

tough compass
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Pascal is also a heretic, just in a doctrinal schism way and not chaos or xenos corruption way

fierce marten
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Technically not heretek*

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Every magos diverges from the rules, heretek is like a different tier of divergence from the that mars would find no gray lines or arguments for. The stuff that makes Cawl seem strictly adherent

tough compass
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Ah, ok. I thought it was just admech for heretic. And the secret was everyone was a heretek in some way

opaque crown
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im kinda surprised we're getting another mechanicus person when we already have a mechanicus person

sacred pagoda
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We do?

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I mean there’s Hadron and Kayex…

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But they’re NPC.

tough compass
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(we were talking about Rogue Trader despite being in the Darktide channel XD)

sacred pagoda
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Oh

fierce marten
sacred pagoda
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Wait, is Armageddon also a Tomb World?

fierce marten
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No, but Trazyn it doesn't seem out of the picture for Trazyn to have visited

sacred pagoda
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Oh, definitely.

spare saffron
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Yet Another War for Armageddon

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The orks invade in massive numbers, crash their battleship through the planet's crust and accidentally bonk into a buried Necron tomb, awakening it.

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Now it's a huge three way brawl.

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Also, Chaos shows up for some reason.

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And there's a lone Eldar titan doing hit and run raids on the periphery.

sacred pagoda
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The Leagues of Votann show up to buy the planet.

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The T’au are there.

spare saffron
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Everyone brought titans.

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The only people happy about the outcome are the orks.

fierce marten
sacred pagoda
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I really want the Leagues of Votann to make a Titan scale unit and have it be notably shorter and wider than the equivalent one in every other army.

opaque crown
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tau are tehre and just confused

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there*

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"This is as far from the greater good as maybe is possible"

sacred pagoda
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Just

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“The T’au are there.”

worldly talon
sacred pagoda
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Yeah.

worldly talon
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I'm just remembering Eye of Terror

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How they couldn't really do anythign wiht the Tau

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So they just sort of figured the Orks, Tau, and Tyranids would be doing their own thing at the other end of the galaxy

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Only for basically every Ork and Tyranid player to decide that they were going to ingore this and attack literally everybody else

sacred pagoda
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Somehow, Warboss Squigkissa returned.

sonic elbow
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over and over

opaque crown
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are expeditions still "true gunner hell"?

heavy geyser
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They're manageable.

sacred pagoda
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Chapter Master Biggus Dickus

sacred pagoda
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Have you guys tried the new game mode yet? Is it good?

spare saffron
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I think it needs a full crew in VC to really shine

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Playing it with randoms feels very hit or miss

sacred pagoda
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I see, needs solid coordination.

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Seems interesting though.

fierce marten
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Not a great pub mode

spare saffron
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Like, one of the bigger issues you'll see in public runs in general is people not playing the objective and just brawling.

fierce marten
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Requires people to be morr coordinated than usual.
To hit the spots efficiently you kind of have to gamble with your teammates on whether someone with a plan pings and others follow or others follow will follow your ping

spare saffron
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This isn't too much of an issue except for, like, bringing the power cell to the bridge on Enclavum Baross, since you can usually just have one person who's dialed in push all the buttons or whatever.

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But this mode massively magnified the problems caused by even one person just vibing instead of actively pursuing the wincon.

sacred pagoda
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Yeah. The same but more.

icy pawn
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There's also basically no reason to play it on anything other than the easiest difficulty

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Because they did not make rewards scale at all

clear ridge
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the reason is that easy is really, really boring

drowsy vine
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I was about to say

drowsy tusk
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<@&1042950387478560878> im out here playin darktide

fierce marten
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Any day now

sacred pagoda
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Surprise:

second, larger ogryn

spiral cairn
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I BELIEVE 🙏

dawn totem
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Trailer shows the shadow of an AdMech only to have a team of Ratling commandos running from under his robes.

"Otta th way ya rusty long-shanks!"

icy pawn
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AdMech but it's just a Necron wearing a red robe

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"Hello fellow tech-priests"

tough compass
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Just really confused and happy to be included

fierce marten
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Skittari (Confused necron covered in blood)

opaque crown
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Skittari, skittaron, skron, necron

sacred pagoda
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Looks like a Techpriest, but then the lights come on and it’s a Kin with a funny hat.

spare saffron
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Playable Kastelan as another "big guy" like the Ogryn?

dawn totem
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Totally normal Imperial subject (w/ 3 arms) fine

spare saffron
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Give it a vox speaker so the operator can talk shit.

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Probably way too much effort to rig up just for a DLC class, though.

dawn totem
opaque crown
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isnt a kastellan like

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much bigger than an ogryn

spare saffron
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About on par, an ogryn model is 50mm tall and a kastelan is 60mm.

lost cave
fierce marten
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Basically skiitari, has no lines it's just Hadron voxxing in to shit talk while she's taking direct control and using the skiitari's ability. Sometimes it's kayex chastising her for being too reckless with the omnissiah's machines while she's already remoted into another skiitari saying anything is worth it for moebian steel

brave otter
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Do we know when this teased class will be properly revealed?
I may boot up darktide again tonight..... it's been very long,

marsh gyro
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They did reduce the Crusher clown cars by 35-50% depending on the mode

brave otter
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I didn't play the really hard modes before I dropped off
In fact I'd say the reason I did let it sit for a while is because I wasn't ready for the 'do all the same content, but harder/with a different class' part of Dark/Vermintide's larger gameplay loop

marsh gyro
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Nice, it'll be fresh then and you can ramp up the difficulty at a speed you feel like lower difficulties get too easy

icy pawn
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Because that would be the start of the Warhammer Skulls stuff

brave otter
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If the transsonic sword stuff turns out to be real I'm Very Likely to shell out for it

fierce marten
spiral cairn
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Regardless of what the new class is, Darktide is in dire need of a flail weapon. if that means beating the shit out of heretics with the Mechanicus censer thing then so be it

vital chasm
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Oh yeah, Vermintide 2 had a flail, they could 100% do it

thick rivet
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Are we confirmed to be getting a new class?

clear ridge
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ye

brave kestrel
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skitarii, if true, might be what gets me back into darktide

clear ridge
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i think if it's a tech-priest, i'm never playing darktide again, but if it's a skitarii i'm revitalized, yeah

brave otter
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lmaooooo
This is very all or nothing,

clear ridge
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yeah

brave otter
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With the transsonic razor stuff, I feel like skitarii is more likely

opaque crown
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What's wrong with tech priest, broadly speaking?

drowsy vine
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if they do a tech priest-esque class it'll be a low rung of the machine cult like a Lexmechanic

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Which I'm totally fine with

opaque crown
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Oh i just meant mechanically, since they'd drawn a line at tech priest vs skitarii

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I also think it's worthwhile to keep the scrub/reject vibe

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I do feel like, barring narrative justification a skitarii getting rejected is just disposed of

quiet escarp
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Yeah a "malfunctioning" (too independent/has too much of its original personality/has developed too much personality) Skitarii seems perfectly reasonable

sacred pagoda
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Alternatively:

Enginseer who has annoyed Hadron a little too much a little too often.

vital chasm
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totally-not-a-heretek

dawn totem
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I'm wondering what kind of personalities you'd get with Skitarii.

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Oh I'm now looking around with a srealth Zealot build that uses a knife and single shot autogun

soft summit
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When is the reveal?

blazing storm
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some time during Skulls probably

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so the 21st

soft summit
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Oh i thought it was tosay

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For some reason

opaque crown
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what if we got like, rather than skitarii specifically, we got like a rust stalker or infiltrator

blazing storm
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I feel like it'll encompass several things

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maybe some Sicarian cosmetics?

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and part of their skills will probably lean into it

soft summit
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Will DLC classes get cosmetics though? :v

blazing storm
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yes, on release

fierce marten
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After that? Who knows

icy pawn
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Pretty sure Arbites and Hive Scum have gotten nothing since their release, so... we can presume "probably not"

blazing storm
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correct, yeah

dawn totem
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Mostly due to GW being stubborn when it comes to certain cosmetics, right?

quiet escarp
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No, it doesn't seem to be the case with the DLC classes. That was the speculation with the arbites but we know that they are more flexible than that, since the Arbites in Owlcat's rogue trader game has more varied equipment

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It seems to be a Fatshark policy decision. The DLC careers in Vermintide 2 also didn't get any additional cosmetics in the shop except for one pack of DLC cosmetics late in the games life after all five additional careers had been released

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Oh correction that cosmetic pack for the Vermintide DLC careers actually came out before Sienna's

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But still Fatshark just seems reticent to sell cosmetics for DLC classes, maybe because they feel they can't guarantee financial returns when you're selling to a subset of the people playing the game

spare saffron
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Infantry lasgun feels pretty good again on Damnation.

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Still nowhere near as good as the recon lasgun, but it's fun and viable.

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The changes they made to that bottom left Veteran capstone (gives you a buff on weak spot hits) was a huge game changer, since stacks don't fade while moving anymore.

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I haven't tried our the headhunter autoguns yet, anyone know how they're doing this patch?

opaque crown
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i do love me some lasgun

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glad to hear that

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which version do you favor?

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the middle of the road one is my favorite, the fast one i just dont want to click that much

spare saffron
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Middle one, yep! Mostly because it matches my armor.

spiral cairn
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I'm sure everyone is tired of speculation on the new class, but actually it would be goated move from Fatshark to make two shirtless crackhead classes in a row with an Electro-priest. The Gamer Rage would feed me for weeks

opaque crown
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Gamer rage AND 40k fan rage

cyan depot
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I’m trying to think of what would make people maddest

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And frankly I don’t think “a second, different, hive ganger” could be outdone

vital chasm
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Veteran 2: Veteran Harder

spiral badger
cyan depot
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No that’d sick

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Chaos class would be my otp

soft summit
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A female space marine would probably cause the internet to combust

tough compass
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Yeah, but also non-chuds would be angry because a space marine shouldn't be a playable class in Darktide

soft summit
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Also true

quiet escarp
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I would say Kroot but sadly the Heavy ogryn making jokes about them seems to disqualify them, the same way the jokes about ratlings feel like a flag against them ever showing up

fierce marten
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Intro is female Ogyrn killing a female death guard in a cutscene

quiet escarp
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The Female Ogryn also isn't a body type for the current ogryn, she's actually an entirely seperate new ogryn class that gets a bunch of the potential ogryn weapons like power fists, charonite claws, and an autocannon

tough compass
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Maybe Orgyns have very little sexual dimorphism and also don't understand the concept of misgendering enough to correct anyone. So about half the ogryns are already women but no one notices

worldly talon
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The subreddit already had a massive crash out last time when they collectively gaslit themselves into believing the next class was skitarii and then scum was announced

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I can’t help but wonder how deep the review bombs will go if it happens twice

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Or even if it’s an admech class that isn’t skitarii

sacred pagoda
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I still don’t think it’ll be Skitarii, I think it’s going to be something further down the ladder like an Enginseer.

worldly talon
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Probably

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Apart from Ogryn everything mostly seems to follow Dark Heresy archetypes

sacred pagoda
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Like, even the Arbitrator is a low-ranking gendarme in the Adeptus Arbites.

worldly talon
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And the only ones missing from that right now are tech priest, assassin, and sororitas

sacred pagoda
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And we sure as shit ain’t getting Sororitas.

worldly talon
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With the latter not getting the full SoB treatment until high levels

fierce marten
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The non militant branches of sororitas would be fitting

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Or a penitent

worldly talon
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It’s been a minute since I read the 1e books

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But I seem to recall it also having a Dialogus branch

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Oh also adept

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Forgot them

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Which would be a hilarious class for DT but idk how it’d work

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Your blitz ability is a panicked quill stab

soft summit
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We learn tomorrow right?

blazing storm
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Yeah

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Do really hope its a Skitarius

brave otter
# fierce marten Or a penitent

See my opinion is that the Zealot is essentially supposed to be a value brand SoB so getting the name brand version would be Odd
Like
You're a holy warrior that can go ham with a flamethrower, bolter, and chainsaw sword

cyan depot
quiet escarp
spare saffron
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Genestealer cultist infiltrator class would be hilarious

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"A local militia has volunteered to fight for their homeworld, we'd better put them to good use."

tough compass
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If it was sticking to the power level of the original 4, I would say the tech-adapt would make the most sense for admech rep

quiet escarp
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I had sort of expected the Hive Ganger to also be a heretek of some kind, but I could still see that as an archetype honestly

tough compass
quiet escarp
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It's sort of a weird thing. Theoretically yes, since a Skitarii isn't really part of the actual priesthood

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But a random enginseer is more likely to turn up anywhere that isn't an actual Cult Mechanicus military operation

spare saffron
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The forge certainly had their share of them, it's not unthinkable that a decently sized contingent of them retreated to a panic room or have been besieged for a while.

quiet escarp
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Yeah, Atoma is a big enough industrial hive world that it must have had a couple battalions at least

spare saffron
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After the inquisition stumbles across them and bails them out it turns into "well, you guys are going on suicide missions now".

tough compass
spare saffron
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As one does with their trained experts.

quiet escarp
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But I think people conceive of the rejects like a Dark Heresy team, where an enginseer or tech adept makes more sense

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But since the Arbites that doesn't really hold up

spare saffron
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Yeah, the Arbites really throws a wrench into the whole "these are disposable strike teams who aren't really expected to succeed in any given mission" thing.

quiet escarp
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In the sense that the Arbites are framed as the local Marshal literally just sending contingents of his force to help, rather than single arbites joining up on their own

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The local Mechanicus authorities could then just send their skitarii to help Grendyl as well

tough compass
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The Arbites does feel weird. But also a psyker is a wild thing to use as an asset the way a Darktide team is

brave otter
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I think Skitarii are cool as hell so personally want them so I will also be sad if it's like a Baby Techpriest

quiet escarp
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Arbites aren't really that elite, in the grand scheme of things

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No more elite than a guard veteran, an ogryn, and a psyker at least

blazing storm
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Skitarii getting more spotlight is always great, so I hope it's that

quiet escarp
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They still come in squads of 8 on the table top, whcih is a decent yardstick

blazing storm
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a techpriest would also be okay with me though

quiet escarp
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I wonder which skitarii load out will be the default, ranger or vanguard

blazing storm
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I feel like Ranger

tough compass
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But yeah, fair point

quiet escarp
blazing storm
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I feel like this is just the most default Skitarius you get

quiet escarp
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Yeah, and then the shop will have the Vanguard head as an alternate

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With the Deluxe DLC probably the Vanguard head with the crest

blazing storm
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most likely, yeah

quiet escarp
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I have my fingers crossed for a Secutarii head in the shop at least too

spare saffron
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Unrelated, but with the changes to armored dude rates, laspistol just keeps getting better.

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I am a happy dude.

blazing storm
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but I do definitely feel if it is a Skitarius, the default loadout will be Ranger-esque with a Galvanic Rifle or something

quiet escarp
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Skitarii weapons do feel tricky to me

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If I had to guess Ranged: Galvanic Rifle, Radium Rifle, Phosphor Blast Pistol (?), Plasma Gun, Bolt Gun, Autogun?

blazing storm
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Plasma Caliver feels like a given to me, though they might just get the regular Plasma Gun

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some kind of phosphor pistol would need to be there I think, yeah

quiet escarp
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The Hive Scum got three new ranged and three melee and I think they would have to stick to that with the Skitarii/tech adept

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Not having the Skitarii step on the Vet's toes weapon wise will be hard, I think

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Because it would need both the plasma gun and power sword

quiet escarp
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But I genuinely don't know

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They could give them a stub carbine as well, despite that being a sicaran weapon

blazing storm
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I hope they would mostly get unique weapons, but not holding out too much for that

quiet escarp
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I think they will get probably six unique weapons but then a fairly limited number of base game weapons

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The Arc Rifle seems like it would be really hard to do but could also be a huge splashy thing for them

quiet escarp
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So maybe they'll add even more now

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they have to know the community is kind of rabid about this now

silk sundial
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Both skitarri and lexmechanic have enough identity to exist alongside but I think it’ll be skitarri

tough compass
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Arc Rifle seems like it would be a single target anti-armor thing. Maybe with a stun. Though you could make it a multi-target lightning thing (some games do this, but tabletop doesn't)

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Given them other admech weapons and not just the Skitarii ones would make a lot of sense to me

blazing storm
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I do like the splash damage arc rifle

quiet escarp
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Honestly I partly want them to do the Phosphor Blast Pistol and just have it be the Blood Flare gun

blazing storm
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But to me partially the appeal of Skitarii and the AdMech is all their cool special guns and weapons

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So I do hope they go heavy on that if it is

tough compass
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I would probably prefer that over some bespoke mechanic

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I wonder if they will get canticles or Imperatives though

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Could just be the name of the abilities

quiet escarp
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I could see them only getting a handful of specialist weapons but all of them having significantly different alternate fire modes or something to that effect

brave otter
quiet escarp
#

I do wonder what the three class abilities for a Skitarii would be, given it mostly seems to be a ranged/melee/support dichotomy for most classes

tough compass
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Protector Imperative (which is the shoot better one for some reason)/Conqueror Imperative/Canticles. Idk what they would do exactly though

opaque crown
#

Something electric, something radiation related, and then.... i dunno for the last one

soft summit
#

Asked from Skitarri, what else could be made playable?

slender shell
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Kroot or votaan mercenaries

quiet escarp
#

A combat servitor as another "big guy" option would be genuinely fun

quiet escarp
slender shell
#

Tough to think of classes that arent already pretty similar to the default 4 classes and their archtypes

quiet escarp
#

Yeah, and have the right power level/can theoretically share weapons with the other classes

slender shell
#

Powerlevel is a pretty nebulous concept considering you go around beating demon hosts to death in game think it makes more sense just think of things that could fit the vibe of the game or a good lore explanation

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(Which is why we can get playable necrons eventually /hj)

quiet escarp
#

No yeah, powerlevel (vibes based) is more what I mean

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Maybe we'll eventually get the "Swagger Is an Eldar" reveal and get a corsair along with it

vital chasm
#

I think the divide between power level of a psyker and a hive scum is about a gulf

quiet escarp
#

And the Hive Scum is basically John Wick

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They meet in the middle

slender shell
#

If they ever need more options kill teams are probably a good inspiration, like just take the naval voidsmen one and drop it in

quiet escarp
#

As an aside, it does make me sad they gave the Hive Scum cosmetics based on the Death World Veteran miniature but didn't add the giant knife polearm

clear ridge
#

it's a good glaive

quiet escarp
#

This is somehow one of the most reasonable weapon designs in 40k

tough compass
opaque crown
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honestly the only questionable bit on that glaive is the ball mace head on the butt

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but its not even that offensive, i just wouldnt

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also the blade style is a little eh, like a kbar on a pole and upsized

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wouldn't go with serrations either

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i would love a kroot merc, thats my pie in the sky, but i know we aint getting one

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even funnier would be just a straight up fire warrior

vital chasm
#

freeboota merc, mark my words

opaque crown
#

we can just go DOWN in power

#

gretchin subclass

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play as: a servo skull

spare saffron
#

Beam mode plasma would be fun!

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Better crowd control in return for less single target punch.

#

Basically imagining a lasgun with better cleave, armor piercing, but pays with more limited magazine and Gets Hot.

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I've always wanted a more tabletop-analagous plasma gun that feels like a rapid fire weapon like the bolter and lasgun.

#

Check out the plasma gunner in the back. That, I want that.

vital chasm
#

I want hot-shot lasguns

spare saffron
#

Spawn in on a random strike team as a servo skull and putter around providing support and scanning objectives before your timer runs out.

vital chasm
#

A lasgun that just absolutely blows through armor

spare saffron
#

We have the Hellbore, but it is... Stenchful.

vital chasm
#

Not the same

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Also, like, hot-shot lasguns are a classic part of the kit of inquisitorial storm troopers

spare saffron
#

I loved them on the tabletop.

vital chasm
#

AP3 my beloved

spare saffron
#

I figure it might be more of a stance based recon lasgun?

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Like, braced fire with movement penalties.

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Brace to switch to hotshot configuration (more power draw, more punchy) and stance up to absorb recoil, spray with hip fire for a more recon lasgun like experience.

vital chasm
#

in DH2e, hot-shot lasweapons have shorter range and less ammo than normal lasweapons (except the pistol has more ammo because of the backpack)

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(or editing mistake, with those books it could be either lol)

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So that would translate pretty cleanly to less effect at long range, less ammo, massively better effect on armor

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(also much, much slower reload)

brave otter
#

So sort of like the quickdraw revolver where it's a magazine worth of a very good gun and then it's a pain in the ass to get your very good gun back

worldly talon
#

i still want a meltagun

brave otter
#

Someone said 'meltagun blitz' ages back and I heartily approve

spare saffron
#

"Summon Jurgen" blitz

slender shell
#

I hope they make the meltagun function completely differently from the books and games to keep no one cannon portrayal consistent

vital chasm
#

make it a grenade launcher

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lobs melta

slender shell
#

It's the melta gun, of course it lobs melta bombs!

tough compass
slender shell
#

Isn't it usually either a super shot gun or a really focused laser beam? I want a new third thing

tough compass
#

Hmmm, fair

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Really unfocused shot laser

spare saffron
spare saffron
#

Because launching hot copper at stuff is something that stuff really hates.

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On the subject of grenade launchers, I'd love to see Vet and Hive Scum get one.

quiet escarp
#

Honestly I don't think there's a good way to balance a Vet grenade launcher that manages to make it feel good to use, given the two Ogryn nade launchers

spare saffron
#

The grenadier gauntlet seems like a fine template for it.

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Though it's also my least favorite Ogryn weapon 🤔

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Well, no, that's not true, that would be the single shot heavy stubber

opaque crown
#

gvie the vet the option to shoot krak nades as an alt fire and shoot frags as a standard fire, keep its biggest limiting factor ammo count or somethng

spare saffron
#

I would have the alt fire consume one of your currently equipped grenades to shoot an enhanced version.

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Then the basic fire is a low performance frag grenade, sort of like the grenadier gauntlet.

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To differentiate it from the grenadier gauntlet I would give it a fantastic unload rate, but you have to slot in each grenade one at a time (like reloading a shotgun)

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This would also give it a niche not currently enjoyed by either of the ogryn launchers, which is the ability to rapidly fire across a wide area.

soft summit
#

When's the stream?

vital chasm
#

Thursday, May 21 at 5 p.m. BST, which means 12 p.m. Eastern / 11 a.m. Central / 9 a.m. Pacific

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So uhh, in an hour I think?

soft summit
#

About yeah

slender shell
vital chasm
#

IT'S TIME

alpine needle
#

it's toaster time

soft summit
#

Skitarri confirmed

alpine needle
#

excited binharic screeching

spiral cairn
#

Well you get an arc rifle so it's all okay

soft summit
#

How much personality can a Skitarri have

blazing storm
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Decent amount still

quiet escarp
#

Oh huh, no radium rifle is kind of crazy considering it's one of the two default skitarii weapons

vital chasm
# soft summit How much personality can a Skitarri have

The Skitarii that you will play in the game are called “Alpha Primus”, and they are a bit different from the standard Skitarii that you see go to war under the banner of the Adeptus Mechanicus in bigger battles. These specialist warriors can operate with more autonomy, and are more suited to the gameplay experience of Darktide.

quiet escarp
#

But I guess it also doesn't really have a solid mechanical identity

soft summit
#

Nice

blazing storm
quiet escarp
#

I expect the Vanguard head will be one of the shop cosmetics

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But yeah kind of shocked about that

spiral cairn
#

I'm in love with the skinny little robot arm

blazing storm
#

Oh interesting, the Skitarius tree spreads out from a central point instead of going top down like others

quiet escarp
#

Looks like the Transonic knife and sword are one weapon together which is pretty cool

blazing storm
brave otter
blazing storm
#

Curious what their abilities are gonna be like

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Seems like attack drone servo skull might be one?

soft summit
#

Apperantly that's a passive thing

blazing storm
quiet escarp
#

Yeah, from the first new mechanicus codex they existed on a spectrum from effectively just soldiers with extensive cybernetics and integrated wifi to meat puppets of an off-site magos

blazing storm
#

Lots of Techpriests value Skitarii because they can act independently and without oversight

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And some are control freaks and want to always take personal control

brave otter
#

Dropping their weapons here from the wider warhammer chat

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I love the look of the pistol and the transsonic razor+sword is as pretty as I imagined

#

I wonder if we'll get them separate or if they're locked to dagger+sword

quiet escarp
#

I'm really glad they got the Phosphor Blast Pistol

blazing storm
#

So looks like transonic weapons, special power sword, and stun prod

quiet escarp
#

Fingers crossed it's fun to use

blazing storm
#

And then phosphor pistol, arc rifle, galvanic rifle

blazing storm
signal locust
#

please sire just a single radium weapon

blazing storm
#

I assume their weapon selection will be like Arbitrator

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In that they don't get a lot outside their special ones

#

Probably will have Plasma Gun I think, since no caliver

marsh gyro
#

Yeah the problem with really cool class guns is that it's less incentive to run the cross class generic guns

tough compass
#

Did they ever add new weapons to the Arbites (or Hive Scum) after release?

marsh gyro
#

I think the last new weapon was Power Falchion for Veteran

tough compass
quiet escarp
#

But I suppose the Crusher was also a Zealot unique until we got the Arbites

blazing storm
#

I'm not a big fan of shared weapons personally

marsh gyro
#

When there was only 5 loadout kits per class and like 2-3 class specific weapons it was easy to have some extras for the generics, now that it's 5-6 good class weapons per class those loadouts fill up fast now, even with 8

#

I'll run combat shotguns across the board though, they really treated those nice

mint yew
#

OK, fine

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I'll get back into Darktide

#

all I want is a disgustingly overpowered transonic

brave otter
#

I wonder how they'll implement them
Something like the chainswords? Where you spin up the fancy molecular slicing field and dig into a guy

blazing storm
#

My immediate comparison point is elf sword and dagger from VT2

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But it probably will have an activation of some sort

alpine needle
#

they could just give it a parry

#

i kinda hope not

quiet escarp
#

Honestly I'm of two minds. Having it just have parry and some, other, constant effect that doesn't need to be turned on would actually make it more unique at this point than an activable bonus damage/impact/stun mode

#

But that also feels kind of dry in itself

#

Since there's already so many weapons with an activated power up mode

mint yew
#

how they worked on the tabletop back when they had discrete mechanics was that after you whacked the same target once or twice they attuned to it and ignored all armour

brave otter
mint yew
#

these days they just have a chance to ignore all saves completely, but that's less interesting

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I like "once you hit an armour type a couple of times they attune to it and ignore its damage reduction, but they get worse at all other types"

quiet escarp
#

Yeah that's pretty cool honestly

mint yew
#

so you want to keep hitting the same guys, or the same points on elites so you can keep ignoring their carapace rather than bouncing off their flak

brave otter
#

I have a weird gripe with the brittleness weapons that ramp up their AP over time
Which is that I don't like the feel of my weapon bouncing off armor and iirc they do that even if brittleness has made the armor not actually reduce that much?
Like dueling sword lights clanking off armor
Yucky

alpine needle
brave otter
#

Bolt pistol parry
Knock the attack away and click fire for an automatic headshot
You know you want it,

alpine needle
#

i also just want to cave in a skull with the bolt pistol

#

It should have an overhead pistol whip

blazing storm
brave otter
#

Nasty,
When I see a weapon bounce my brain tells me That's Wrong

#

'if it were an AP weapon, it would be digging in right now, you buffoon'

alpine needle
#

Do you think the skit will have a Scans Quicker/Hacks Faster type ability?

#

when we were talking about them way back a year or two ago I had a prediction about that

brave otter
#

Also god help me, I'm booting up darktide again
I recall people saying expeditions were weird and sort of bad, is that correct

alpine needle
#

I haven't played in so long this is the first I'm hearing of them

opaque crown
#

Looks like at least one class ability will be a servo skull with a blicky

thick rivet
#

Oh

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Well I guess we know the class now

#

XD

#

Oh my god the drip

opaque crown
mint yew
#

I have not expeditioned yet, so that will be fun

vital chasm
#

I haven't tried them either

vital chasm
alpine needle
#

i liked the trials

blazing storm
#

Mortis Trials are fun

#

When you get a good perk track at least

alpine needle
#

and then a buddy I played with pretty regularly said "these are better than the normal runs." and I asked why he said "the normal missions all feel the same"

#

And I kinda slow blinked at that, same guy had never done a lights out

brave otter
#

huh, launched darktide
The in game skitarii announcement has extra stuff coming in the update
New expedition region and new enemy type, human shieldbearers

clear ridge
brave otter
#

.....Can you play Expeditions solo with bots
I am aware earlier statements said it's not ideal but like
I tend to want to get a feel for a game mode by myself before hopping into random games so I don't make a fool of myself

opaque crown
#

i've never actually tried

vital chasm
#

Darktide keeps eating my memory 😭

quiet escarp
#

Holy moly I've been getting back into Darktide over the last few days and I forgot just how cracked Arbites is

#

Compared to all the other classes

#

Also the music cue for Castigator Stance is so good

#

It's like you're a monstrosity

#

Also, what are people's takes on the two bolter marks?

spare saffron
#

Better headhunter autogun

silk sundial
#

I think it would be fun if skitarri had no simple weapons, so no tac axes, dueling swords, combat knives, etc

clear ridge
#

i like the slower one because it feels like it handles better, and i really don't like the forced two-round burst when zoomed on the magdump mark

spare saffron
#

Haven't played enough with the splashy one to have any thoughts, but the pistol version is great for melee quickswap builds.

#

Being able to instantly stagger everyone around you has amazing utility.

quiet escarp
#

Because using it to pick off a sniper or bomber feels pretty key

clear ridge
#

it's a lot better single-target than the splash mark i prefer, but

#

i like being able to tapfire against enemies at range

brave otter
#

Update: I have played One game of Expedition
I am finished with Darktide for today,
(It didn't help I was playing on controller- I generally prefer to play games on controller so am tryin to habituate myself to doing so with darkside, but learned the game on keyboard and mouse)

clear ridge
#

playing darktide on controller sounds like genuine hell

#

cannot imagine putting myself through that

spare saffron
#

Feel that, I did maybe five games of expedition and then decided that was enough of that.

#

Game relies so heavily on snap headshots while in melee.

#

Actually, I remember now, my buddy played on controller too, he just did flamer zealot.

brave otter
#

I was landin revolver headshots pretty well tbh
But yeah I was not used too it, felt clumsy

weary edge
#

Now to patiently wait for Skitarii to release and then I'll reinstall the game

brave otter
#

Maybe it will be one of my keybaord and mouse games forever 😔
(I have a gaming laptop and I don't like using keyboard with high-spec games cuz the laptop gets hot and I get nervous from touching the hot laptop,)

sharp pine
#

So

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My fellows

#

I was literally waiting for the class reveal to get a joytoy warhammer fig, and now that we know is the skitarii

#

I have a related question for you

blazing storm
sharp pine
#

Help my stupid brain choose.

clear ridge
#

the one on the left looks constipated

#

i vote right

quiet escarp
sharp pine
#

My only worry is that we might not get the marshal helmet ingame 😔

blazing storm
#

I like the hoods

#

it's a pretty iconic look I think

alpine needle
spare saffron
#

Emperor coins come in 11 coin sets.

sharp pine
#

I saved 20 emperor coins for two years knowing this would happen

#

(2000 aquilas)

alpine needle
#

i never put any more money in after Arbites. Theres some stuff for the vet that looks really cool. But nothing has wowed me

#

the grubby little hood they gave the zealot and the scripture wrist wraps are all I need.

vital chasm
#

Anyone feeling like grabbing some skulls for the event together?

spare saffron
#

I need to head into town to get some stuff, but would love to after.

vital chasm
#

Hell yeah, give me a ping when you're good

brave kestrel
flint moss
fierce marten
#

Skittari can get a Flamethrower servoskull, Skittari new pet class arbites dead /s

#

Omg servo skull with a gat
Cw that skull is fresh with "some" meat on it

alpine needle
#

do you think hadron will treat your Skitarii differently?

#

Any time you approach the counter it just screechy binharic

#

shes still mean, but now it's mean in Skitarii

sharp pine
#

Maybe she calls you a good unit

alpine needle
#

ya i bet some varlets would like that wouldn't they chuggedjug

fierce marten
quiet escarp
#

When you're with a squad during a mission you have to remember she's only calling you a varlet to keep up appearances when she's on comms with the others, she doesn't really mean it

spare saffron
#

All her varlets are disposable, but some are slightly less disposable than others ♥️

alpine needle
#

the other rejects get super jealous

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and it reflects in their voice lines, you got the Vet yelling "Mummy Hadron'll get pissed if you lose any of her gear, Skit!"

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or if you go down they're like "I'm rebootin ya!"

valid wasp
#

OH MY GOD

#

THEY ACTUALLY DID IT

#

i thought they never would

flint moss
#

we got hadron complaining abt no skitarii requisitioned, as the war escalates she got her wish

valid wasp
#

no radium carbine?

#

interesting

brave otter
#

For some reason I really like the trailer Skitarii going essentially 'good job, guys' to the guard dudes for holding the line at the end of the trailer
Contrasts with the last two classes trailers I suppose

valid wasp
#

UGH the galvainc carbine sounds so good

#

WAIT WHAT

#

ITS PATH OF EXILE

clear ridge
#

oh wow

sharp pine
#

Please let me be a tank please

spiral badger
alpine needle
#

imagine they lack a starter ability but gain the option to edit their build on the fly in missions

brave otter
#

I. I doubt that will occur,

vital chasm
#

It would be a hassle to open the menu mid-mission

clear ridge
#

but not edit at will

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and i would be shocked if they did even that

#

because that would lead to many questions

#

and much bullshit

valid wasp
#

i forget, do you get a secondary weapon or is it just 1 ranged and 1 melee weapon?

brave otter
#

Ranged and melee!

valid wasp
#

ah ok

sharp pine
#

I'm hoping for a cool revolver skin

spare saffron
#

Unless you're Ogryn, in which case you get two melee weapons (one can shoot grenades, I guess?)

clear ridge
#

i mostly preferred the stubber on ogryn

spare saffron
#

All about the ripper gun for me.

clear ridge
#

also, ik someone here plays on Linux, yeah?

spare saffron
#

The stubber just doesn't feel reliable.

clear ridge
#

a friend of mine keeps having darktide explode when it launches through proton, and i was hoping i could get some troubleshooting or like

#

advice on what y'all use to make it function

spare saffron
#

(One rice ball and one actual donut)

vital chasm
#

Wonderful!

spare saffron
#

My Steam should be linked in my Discord bio thingy.

vital chasm
#

Yup, threw you a friend invite

buoyant apex
#

Helbore Lasgun my beloved

spare saffron
#

Dang am I rusty.

vital chasm
#

Eviscerator my beloved

fierce marten
vital chasm
#

I've never actually done aurics

spare saffron
#

I think you could probably handle them.

#

But, yeah, after getting hit with at least ten mutants and dogs and nets in a single run, I'm just kinda' shaken. 😅

vital chasm
#

When I was first playing, aurics weren't a thing yet, and I had to start all over again when I got the game on Steam

vital chasm
spiral badger
#

extremely funny gammon looking ogryn with the mean personality name

sharp pine
#

Man I'm so excited for the tarii

opaque crown
#

You know, gameplay aside, our band of rejects would probably get toasted by a beast of Nurgle, no? Even more so than like a spawn or plague ogryn

sharp pine
#

Yeah

#

They are true demons, and middle tier

opaque crown
#

We've got a psyker, which helps, but i don't think it changes the equation all that much

sharp pine
#

Depends on how much self control the psyker has

#

It's something

spiral badger
#

These are pretty weaksauce beasts, to be fair

#

The standard ones are portrayed as being significantly more agile

opaque crown
#

Maybe the lack of a more warp saturated environment is what's buying us even a chance

soft summit
#

I mean we are also fighting Daemonhosts

#

Rejects are built different i sjppose

sacred pagoda
#

We’re just the ones that don’t get filtered.

#

(Mostly.)

cyan depot
drowsy tusk
spiral badger
#

these are also really half-assed daemonhosts

flint moss
#

the really dangerous daemonhosts dont sit around chained up, a majority of attempts actually end in failure like the ones we see in darktide

dawn totem
#

Here i go thinking about bringing the Hive Scum into my game

mint yew
#

they might all die of doomplague afterwards but those are in the same rough bracket of heavy unit, and Primaris Psykers are really quite mean psykers

buoyant apex
#

Are we Primaris Psykers?

tough compass
#

They sure murder a bunch of people. And handle perils better than most

vital chasm
#

A zealot can defeat any and all enemies through the unfiltered power of faith in the emperor, and violence

#

Absolutely top 1 in the power rankings of the rejects, 100% lore accurate

drowsy tusk
#

They had to nerf ogryn for darktide cause player intellect makes them too powerful

marsh gyro
#

Big friendly Rock beats Daemonhosts, canon, simple as

regal pendant
#

To be fair

tough compass
#

Darktide Ogryns are the nerds of Orgryns: They can almost count to five!

regal pendant
#

If you got a rock whipped at your head at mach fuck, you wouldn't be doing too good either

#

Even if you were an immortal demon in service to the Ruinous Powers

mint yew
#

the psykers of the next level down have to be deployed in squads to cast the big powers, so our wonky-brained rejects are definitely stronger than most

spiral badger
#

and the implication of the way darktide is structured, intentionally, for the psykers is that the weak ones died during the initial period where they're basically just dipshits with guns and one fancy trick

#

level 30 operatives have survived a Bunch of Bullshit that's killed off all the weak or unlucky examples

#

the weak psykers died at level 5 when they can't even use staves

vital chasm
#

Level 30 zealot will live a reject and die a martyr

regal pendant
#

No ogryns ever die. This is because they are the Emprah's strongest and definitely not because the thought of a dead ogryn distresses me.

tough compass
#

They are basically children. So of course they must not be killed

flint moss
opaque crown
tough compass
#

I think it gives you like 2k dockets? But yeah

opaque crown
#

i just generally think that, barring gameplay and cool value, our rejects are simply not equipped to face daemons in battle

#

nor should they be, really

#

experienced inquisitorial agents struggle with daemons

#

space marines struggle with daemons

#

(Unless they're a main character space marine of course)

tough compass
#

hey, bloodletters are only T4, 5++, 1W

worldly talon
#

Daemonhosts also aren't created equal

#

Not every one is going to be Cherubael-tier

vital chasm
#

TBF, I would say by level 30, the rejects would be experienced inquisitorial agents

#

With multiple banished demons under their belt

split mantleBOT
#

The Rejects are basically main characters. They're the direct equivalent of the ubersreik 5– 4– whatever, just without a set backstory. At this point someone in the chain of command has to be terrified that they won't die.

Stormtalus (Relatable 2) | MSMC ↩️

[Reply to:](#1159883850562932826 message) (Unless they're a main character space marine of course)

spare saffron
#

At level 30 they're definitely hooking you up with one of those fancy personal shield generators (rosarius?), some of the Good Shit guns, and generally kitting you out as the best strike team they can field.

#

The Inquisition is pretty notorious for having a good stash of The Good Stuff.

#

They just don't dole it out to chump agents.

#

At which point you're basically doing, like, four named characters / heroes against a whole bunch of chaff.

#

If we're talking tabletop they still get rolled by a handful of traitor plasgunners, of course.

silk sundial
#

I mean it’s pretty clear that you are expendable chaff who have survived enough suicide missions to become valuable

fierce marten
#

After the carnival & rolling steel they know we're like freaks of nature that can be hot dropped 30 feet from the front lines and push our way through several armies to do what would take regiments of guards.

#

Admonition and moe 6 aren't just regular chaff they're a step up elite that wipe the PDF and even the loyalist moebian guard regiment struggle against them in a fair fight

spare saffron
#

It helps that our ogryns can completely ignore getting mag dumped by eight shooty boys.

#

They're simply made of Imperiumite.

fierce marten
#

Psyker gets shot by a dozen plasma gunners only to just be downed instead of in pieces then the veteran shouts them back up

spare saffron
#

The Emperor is there in spirit personally gluing each one of these bastard's molecules together.

#

If you make Him work too hard it stops working.

fierce marten
#

These are gameplay conceit but it's lore Canon 4 rejects basically stopped the carnival solo where basically a whole private army plus PDF and loyalist moe could barely get a quarter of the way there. Wolfer acknowledges why moe 6 can't stop 4 random humans

#

We got main characters plot armor

sacred pagoda
#

I did a writeup with a friend a while back where our two 40k OCs took on the Carnival, but the absolute curbstomp portrayed therein was justified. A kinetics-focused sanctioned psyker who considers herself to be a sword clinging to the backpack of a Deathwatch Kill-Marine rather than the canon Darktide killteam. It was a fun thing to write.

clear ridge
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i think space marines would probably get folded by the rejects

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those mfs are not 4v26ing beasts of nurgle

spiral badger
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I think a gang of 4 rejects could gang up and kill at least 1 space marine, but it's going to be really iffy on more even numbers, because at that point you might get a helmetless named space marine and then it's karked

clear ridge
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nah, if we assume that they're killing plague ogryns and beasts of nurgle in actual number, even if that numbers is like

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a tenth of what you actually see on auric

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you're going to need multiple squads of space marines

sacred pagoda
#

The power scaling of Darktide has always been squidgy, but that's what we were talking about anyway.

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Deathwatch are usually xeno-hunters, but a Kill-Marine's not gonna be precious about his nominal duties if there's a full-on Chaos incursion going on.

clear ridge
#

it would be neat to have like, a squad of plague marines as a monstrosity

spare saffron
#

Space Marines get wrecked up by a basic tempestus squad, but mostly due to amusing AP and armor interactions.

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Bolters don't penetrate carapace armor, but hotshot lasgun penetrate power armor.

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(well, as long as they stay out of melee)

fierce marten
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We dont know the meaning of distance in darktide its all basically melee

fierce marten
vital chasm
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Anyone else having problem with DT eating up all your memory?

tough compass
vital chasm
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I've got 32GB and the game keeps crashing for running out of memory

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Got to be a memory leak, right?

spare saffron
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I think that happened to me once recently, yeah.

vital chasm
#

Also I started leveling a new character and there sure are new players, the skulls sale must be doing wonders

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Also I'm finding as a veteran I actually have to care about stamina!? (as opposed to on Zealot)

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wild concept

fierce marten
#

And I think the ogyrn too, we got helmetless named characters

vital chasm
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Zola, too

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Hallowette

tough compass
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Oh, I mean no helmetless enemy named characters

vital chasm
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Yeah,that checks out

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We've got, what, 3 named enemy characters?

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(that we know the name of and have seen)

tough compass
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Well, all the Captains and Lieutenants get names

fierce marten
vital chasm
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For the assassination missions? Damn, they're such non-characters them having names escaped me

tough compass
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Yeah, they only really technically have names

marsh gyro
spare saffron
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Yeh, for Veteran I usually run two toughness and one stamina curio.

vital chasm
#

The buff from the event is pretty funny

flint moss
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yeah, iplayed momentum zealot and occasionally became sonic the hedgehog

distant surge
dawn totem
flint moss
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no theyre adding that in june

dawn totem
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I imagine the rejects will act like the Skitarri are just unfeeling cyborgs and then freak out when they start giving backsass.

flint moss
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mechanicus shittalk in mechanicus-focused stuff is incredible.

distant surge
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you think the mechanicus lady will be the one coordinating them?

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cause if so they gonna have a lot of sass

sonic elbow
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should've been hivescum 2

fierce marten
#

Ratling scummechanic

dawn totem
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Morrow finally gets ahold of some Ratling rejects (they kept escaping)

spare saffron
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I hate to say it, but playing a ratling would be hellish.

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So much of the flow of Darktide is "can I headshot that flamer through this crowd in a half second".

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Which, if you're shorter than the crowd, works out to "no".

fierce marten
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Bardin in vermintide be like, ranged guy who's short

spiral badger
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Yes and they have explicitly said theyre not doing that again because it caused a ton of problems

silk sundial
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I do wonder what could be next since we’ve gone through the obvious additions

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Maybe something navy/trader related?

clear ridge
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and also vermintide is even more melee-biased than darktide

dawn totem
clear ridge
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ratling game would be fun

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darktide probably can't be that

fierce marten
#

I can still huff hopium about it

flint moss
clear ridge
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based

fierce marten
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They have the opportunity to do a ratling psyker

clear ridge
#

yes-yes, man-thing, more head-skulls for the golden throne...

opaque crown
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im just saying ratling spcial ability is to just ride other teammates shoulders

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can you imagine being on a zealot's back while they dodge like a cracked out fiend

cyan depot
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Imagine trying to hit shots in that state lol

fierce marten
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Zealot with tacax and infinite dodges

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Always moving firing platform

sharp pine
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In honour of the upcoming skitarii, I made my nomans avatar a techpriest

lost cave
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I wonder if the core four classes in darktide will get mechanicus themed cosmetics when Skitarii drop. Also how customizable they'll be appearance wise..

flint moss
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dlc classes get limited cosmetic options, but with admech you will literally be choosing body parts

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the deluxe edition head gives you a lot more eyes than the starter head

lost cave
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I am genunly puzzled how people get above leve 5 with out figuring out how to do the objectives. I just had a Psyker who left me trapped in a net then didn't know how to pull out the auspex so he just ran around for 5 minutes until he got downed and left.

opaque crown
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wait 5 levels into the expeditions?

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and did not know how to use the auspex?

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were they just wandering?

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or extremely reliant on pugs knowing what to do?

lost cave
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No this was just a regular mission!

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I mean character level 5.

dawn totem
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I've been in too many expeditions where even when you mark a location nearby, you're forced to run after teammates who just have blinders on apparently.

vital chasm
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I haven't actually done any expeditions, how are they?

blazing storm
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it's interesting

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the environments being much more open does change some things

opaque crown
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Id say try em at least a couple times. I think they're less good for games with randos you can't talk to, and I think they're a little lacking in substance, but definitely worth a few runs

icy pawn
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Expeditions feel like the skeleton of an interesting idea, but they absolutely need something else to keep people coming back

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They feel almost as dead as Mortis Trials already

vital chasm
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They should, like, take Mortis Trials and Expeditions, and smush them together

opaque crown
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honestly i have no issue with mortis trials, they would just want new maps occassionally, but im otherwise largely fine with it

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but i do think expeditions should have the perk stuff from mortis trials, it'd just rob from mortis trials its defining mechanic

fierce marten
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I think a huge improvement is if minor perks also came in a choice of 3

grave talon
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I believe the skitarri will have an arcriffle a galvanic rifle and a phosphor blaster. A shock maul and a power sword and a Transonic blade and a Transonic razor

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I dunno if the two transonic blade will be a double melee like the hivescum shivs or 2 different weapon

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The galvanic from what was shown is kinda like a plasma sniper

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I bet the arc rifle will have a projectile like the elctrokinesis staff secondary

soft summit
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Hmm, do you think Death Cult Assassins could fit into Darktide?

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Theyre the only "minor" faction i can think of that hasnt been added yet

grave talon
soft summit
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Yeah them

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They got a DLC character in Rogue Trader

grave talon
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There you go assassin zealot. They just need a double melee

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Zealot tree as a whole side to be a sneaky bastard that go fast, stab backs and yeet knif

soft summit
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True

grave talon
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Bleed effect too from memory

distant surge
grave talon
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But the one of the best back stabbing option is the big hammer

distant surge
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back bonking

grave talon
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It do be stronk

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Tbh if some one hit your back with a maul i dunno if you be better off than being stabbed

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It’s extremely good at dealing with monstruosity

vital chasm
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The bleed is on the other side of the tree from the go fast talents, tho

vital chasm
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Love it when people refuse to play the objective because there are enemies on the field

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was actually told "Why are you doing the objective when there are too many enemies"

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we aren't completing the objective because you aren't covering the objective and instead are hunkered in the corner, dipshit

clear ridge
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gotta multitask

fierce marten
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The overlap with zealot I think is not an issue considering DLC classes have many mechanical overlaps with base classes

vital chasm
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Augh, I'm getting salty over Heresy randos

sharp pine
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I really want to play, but I fear burning myself out before the skitarii drop...

vital chasm
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By the way, do the DLC characters get any unique cosmetics from Hestia's Blessings?

blazing storm
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No

vital chasm
#

Well, that's lame

buoyant apex
brave otter
grave talon
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we will not be able to carrol the other varlet like catle

buoyant apex
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😔

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Warhammer 40k really needs more polearms

quiet escarp
quiet escarp
grave talon
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i bet a faster thunder hammer

buoyant apex
quiet escarp
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Yeah none of the mauls are actually bad now, and they're all pretty distinct in terms of use, just another crackly lightning mace is pretty funny

signal locust
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excuse me sah...

soft summit
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Chad Ogryn

lost cave
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I wish the Arbites had 2 more unique weapons to match the hive scum and Skitarii. Like an scopeless Execution Shotgun and Shockgloves maybe.

quiet escarp
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We can only hope they add some more down the line, and maybe a few extra cosmetics to also match Scum for customization

vital chasm
#

THE LEX PROHIBITS CUSTOMIZATION

quiet escarp
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Give me the Arbites heavys stubber Obese Megalodon and my life is yours

vital chasm
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I'd love it if Zealot got a sword & board

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Or a whip, that could be funny

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both are very ecclesiarchy-associated

quiet escarp
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I'm kind of surprised we don't have an electro-whip

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Honestly I remain surprised we didn't even get the Arbites shot pistol without the shield

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That seems fairly straightforward, even reusing some stub-pistol animations

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Though admittedly I don't really know what niche it would have

vital chasm
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fast

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The niche all pistols sans shields, very fast to draw

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and with good running speed, too

quiet escarp
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True, and even just a shotgun with a speedloader is a pretty big niche too

cyan depot
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Guy on the right

opaque crown
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so, my understanding is that, say comparative to a standard cadian; an arbites is better trained and equipped than a guardsman

sharp pine
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Depends on the rank, considerably so

opaque crown
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we're talkin rank and file for either; cause a cadian child is taught to be a lasrifleman from day 1, but they're not taught or equipped for urban close quarters combat

buoyant apex
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I don't think the Arbites would be very trained for being a lasrifleman, either

dawn totem
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If what I understand is correct about the Arbites, they definitely not "rank and file," cops. That's usually left to local enforcers, depending on the planet, etc. The Arbites don't get directly involved unless it's kind of a big deal (ie. disrupting the tithe).
I'm just trying to get a better idea of these guys.

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There more like spread out crack teams (or a lone sheriff) and far less of a standing army.

quiet escarp
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Like there's always going to be veteran guard regiments or elite regiments or what not but yeah I think on the whole one average Arbites is meant to be more elite than one average imperial guardsmen, accounting for the fact the vast majority of guardsmen are conscripts of some form or another with a very short expected lifespan on the field and so aren't particularly veteran

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You can think of it like this, every Arbites is a SWAT team member whereas the average guardsmen is a drafted GI. That said, there are also guardsmen who are special operations commandos

dawn totem
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And I know among Guardsmen, there's not just conscripts. Like whole generations can live within a regiment.

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Not even getting into those who enlist for a wide spectrum of reasons.

quiet escarp
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Oh no absolutely, and the Cadians are ironically the best example of that. Cadia, being a fortress world, is basically set up to exclusively produce elite soldiers. So the average guardsmen both being intended to be cannon fodder at some level but also being archetypically represented by born and bred for war Cadians gets a little funny

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But I think the other part of that is Cadians, and the Guard as a whole, are expected to go nose to nose with orks and Tyranids and whatnot being effectively guys in body armor with a rifle and bayonet

vital chasm
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And for the guard, it's the best soldiers the given planet can offer, the average soldier is in planetary defense force

dawn totem
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For those not of the Cadian/Krieg/special forces variety, that's why Commissars are brought in. 😭

quiet escarp
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Well yeah, Conscripts are a standard battleline choice for Guard on the table top, and are mechanically worse in every way from Cadians/Kriegsmen/Catachans

dawn totem
quiet escarp
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The relative eliteness of the Guard is one of those things that I think varies from writer to writer and edition to edition as well

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As all things of a power comparison nature in 40k do

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15 Hours presents it more or less like being drafted and sent to Vietnam, except with Orks

dawn totem
#

So so true. Like with a lot of fiction using an IP, power is on a sliding scale.
A lasrifle can either plink off an Ork's hide or blast a sizzling donut hole through their face.

vital chasm
#

And Space Marines can move either at speed of sound or just jog along

quiet escarp
#

I distinctly remember in one novel a space marine gets caught out in a volley of cultist autogun fire and dies because one of them hits him in the neck

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Then in others they fall out space

marsh gyro
dawn totem
quiet escarp
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Oh no it's a pretty bad moment, and Black Library is less inconsistent now I think, but it just goes to show

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But the Space Marine was a White Scar so I don't think people cared enough to whinge online about it

dawn totem
#

Now I wonder if there's a Black Library story about a Guardsmen taking shelter under the body of a dead marine, only for him to wake up, barely alive but still in fighting form.

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And a friendship is born. ❤️

sharp pine
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He could have survived it but no medic was available

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It's explained how it tears his whole neck off

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A space marine can take a lot of punishment, but it's still fairly mediocre in the real of the "superhuman"

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Halo spartans are, for example, an order of magnitude stronger

sharp pine
#

It's very good at absorbing heat but it wasn't designed to deal against the physical

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And the dude who gets his throat tore out had the helm off so

blazing storm
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Based on everything I hear about helmetless marines, it should have kept him alive clearly

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Maybe he should have mentioned his name

vital chasm
#

New DT class: nameless helmeted space marine

brave otter
blazing storm
#

Yeah it's the gunner

#

They have heavy stubber, melta, and webber I think?

sharp pine
#

Oh nevermind, the one I remember wasn't even an autogun volleey

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It was a fucking spear that thore his neck out

blazing storm
#

Excuse me?

cyan depot
brave otter
#

Dang, really? That is the most meltagun looking not meltagun I've ever seen
The container on the side, the slotted muzzle break, the tube

cyan depot
#

Yeah it looks super melta shaped

sharp pine
# blazing storm Excuse me?

By the author himself: Ignoring the fact it's entirely plausible in the right circumstances, and the fact the characters even mention it being a one in a million thing, and it stating the guy's entire throat and neck were torn out which would indeed kill a Marine, and plenty of soldiers having stories of their one comrade who died in a hilarious way, and the fact the Marine still managed to kill his attacker before he died. Ignoring all that juicy context, even ignoring that nowhere does it say it was an average human (obviously it'd need to be a strong-ass dude to throat a Space Marine like that.) Blah, blah, blah.

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He then implies that it was actually a coverup and was murdered by his comrades

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It's not the only example, though. Nameless marines without helmets die all the time in the novels

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The fools don't know you need a character sheet to be able to do that.

blazing storm
#

Still not entirely sure what the Webber actually does though

#

I'd kinda assumed it's basically what the Trapper in DT uses, but it does a lot of damage for that

tough compass
#

Marines can definitely die* to stubbers on the tabletop. Though I think they also die easier on tabletop than even the books where they die a bunch?

* Granted, being killed in the game probably doesn't represent them being killed narratively, and instead just rendered combat ineffective

tough compass
#

(and people or yourself can't cut you out of it because reasons)

spare saffron
#

Arbites shot pistol but with a faster reload since you're not using a shield would be an incredibly effective and fun brawling weapon.

blazing storm
#

would be fun

spare saffron
#

It's already a very good pistol, only held back by quite poor reload speed.

blazing storm
#

I personally can't stop using the shotgun though

#

it's so good

spare saffron
#

It's so good and fun

#

The base shotguns feel... Very anemic by comparison

blazing storm
#

I like the Mk VIII especially

#

the tight choke makes it fairly accurate to long ranges too

fierce marten
#

The arbites shotgun is like real strong and with nerfs to some overtuned weapons I suspect it'll get nerfed at some point

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The rending nerf on Uncanny is nice, crushers actually stick around a bit more

quiet escarp
#

I've always been partial to Bolter Arbites, either the pistol or the standard

blazing storm
quiet escarp
#

I feel like of the three classes with access to them the Arbites makes the best use case

blazing storm
#

I just light spam them to death with the maul, while they get staggered to heck

quiet escarp
#

Forceful Arbites stunlocking whole packs of ogryns is pretty hilarious

blazing storm
#

You can just stagger everything on Arby

blazing storm
fierce marten
#

Yea arbites is staggerlock the game

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Nade lone wolf arbites is like, everything within 20 feet of me simply doesn't get to act

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Or the charge, it's quite spammable and is a strong stagger with a good cone area

quiet escarp
#

I know the charge is probably just better in most cases but I can't seperate myself from Castigator's Stance, if only because of the music sting you get

marsh gyro
#

Getting a million shots from a double barrel shotgun due to castigator reloads is pretty sweet

quiet escarp
#

Lmao I hadn't even thought about that, with the rounding up of 10% to 50%

fierce marten
#

I don't see charge get used often, it's mostly vox then castigator

quiet escarp
#

I think the Charge feels to a lot of people like a weaker version of the Ogryn charge, which it sort of is, but it's also more flexible and it's just usually useful for positioning and as a panic button

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Stance is also a great panic button though

fierce marten
#

Triple shot double barrel on arbites is my favorite especially on Mortis Trial and the one archetype that makes it so crits don't cost ammo and you get infinite shotgun shots firing into the crowd without ever reloading

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CD on the charge is quick a bit quicker

quiet escarp
#

Oh absolutely yeah, that's what I mean

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I feel like the charge probably has more objective utility

#

It's just not as sexy as Stance

blazing storm
#

short cooldown also interacts great with Arbites Vigilant

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I should probably actually try out Castigator's some time though

fierce marten
#

I believe you can get like 11s cooldown on it if you go full CDR

blazing storm
#

also the cooldown reduction per hit talent on it

fierce marten
#

There's a cap on it which is fairly easy to hit

blazing storm
#

it's five seconds, yes

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funniest thing with charge is also ramming a mutant head on and just stopping it dead in its tracks

fierce marten
#

I never tried parrying a mutant with a dueling sword

drowsy tusk
slender shell
#

It contrasted starkly with her cream robes and coat of soft donthide.

Yo is this a new cannon arbites look? Just reading Hive now

sacred pagoda
#

The Arbites make more sense if you realize they’re a gendarmerie.

quiet escarp
spare saffron
#

Arbites Charge is incredible given its super short cool down.

slender shell
quiet escarp
#

Fwiw I am pretty sure the lack of DLC character cosmetics is just down to Fatshark policy rather than GW. They also only ever released one additional payed cosmetic pack for the Vermintide 2 DLC careers and that was two years after the (at that point) last of them had been released

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We can only hope that Fatshark releases more cosmetics sooner rather than as late as that

lost cave
#

I love how when you leave the Psykhanium for a split second the enemy AI turns back on and they just jump you.

fierce marten
#

The implication when a player isnt there they can freely act and move but are stuck in the arena

vital chasm
#

Or, it's Sefoni playing a little prank on you :)

fierce marten
#

Or both, sefoni seems like the type to keep sentient psychic echos for a bit

sonic elbow
#

sefoni learned what a jumpscare is

worldly talon
#

It keeps the rejects on their toes

spare saffron
#

I have feelings about the laspistol

#

"Adoration" comes to mind

#

Near perfect hip fire accuracy, basically instantly ready to fire after being drawn, hits hard.

#

Fantastic crit multiplier.

#

Extremely generous magazine and respectable rate of fire, too, so even if you miss it's really no big deal.

#

And on weakspot hits you get immunity to ranged attacks and suppression, which is delightful.

sonic elbow
#

laspistol lorewalk has been my favourite way to plat vet since forever

#

it fell off when the game stopped spawning ranged enemies all out of sudden

#

but in seeds full of ranged enemies I was the master of the battlefield

#

casual stroll

vital chasm
#

My favorite gun is the revolver (the ADS variant), also extremely quick to draw and shoot, extremely accurate, and kills what you shoot

#

Just absolutely fantastic for taking out specials

vital chasm
#

It's kinda the longbow of Darktide, and I loved longbow in Vermintide 1 and 2

buoyant apex
#

I started giving the Helbore a genuine try a bit ago, and I have fallen in love with it