dark tidings (Darktide for people in the searchbar)

[fierce marten]

They do send off sisters of silence on their own

[slender shell]

Yeah but at that point might as well add space marines to darktide

Skittari is safe bet for a next class though, easy skill tree focus between ranged, melee and support

Kroot and Votaan mercs could also both well

[fierce marten]

Thats a pretty big leap from sisters of silence to space marines

[slender shell]

I mean sisters of silence are rarer than space marines arent they?

[frank igloo]

yeah no sisters of silence are too high powered

even sisters of battle are a step above

[fierce marten]

Weve certainly done things saints could only do

[frank igloo]

nope

we've just done things named imperial normals can do

[fierce marten]

Either way there are a ton of options that fatshark could use

Imperial normals cant channel holy relics

[clear ridge]

i just hate the feel of the charge :(

[frank igloo]

yes they can

[ionic tusk]

don't charge it

[clear ridge]

it's different on a gun vs magic powers

[frank igloo]

if theyre named

[clear ridge]

i don't know why

[ionic tusk]

that's the secret to plasma gun

[clear ridge]

but on a gun

it feels fucked

and on a psyker

it feels reasonable

[ionic tusk]

LMB is what you should use 98% of the time

[clear ridge]

even if I'm charging brain burst

huh, ic

[ionic tusk]

the 2% is when you want to shoot through a wall or god themselves

[haughty ember]

Or six crushers in a row

[ionic tusk]

also the LMB version can't explode you, instead you vent enough heat for another 2 (?) shots (at max stat involving that)

[haughty ember]

I forget what the actual cleave is but its functionally infinite

[fierce marten]

Ironic since they want to encourage RMB charges but LMB spam is still the way to go

[ionic tusk]

6 crushers is 6 carapace which as far as I'm concerned is like 6 gods

[ionic tusk]

yeah there was gonna be a patch nerfing LMB and buffing (???) RMB at the time dueling sword got it's parry but the plasma gun dodged the changes
I assume because RMB is so bad in average case and that's what the gun tries to trick you into using, it deflates the public perception of it

[silk sundial]

Votann have a size issue though, while non human xenos like kroot and corsairs need whole new arsenals and rigging while posing minor and major lore issues respectively

[fierce marten]

Votann are human height

[slender shell]

Votaan in their suits are like 5ish feet, theyre short humans not ratling height

[silk sundial]

Ok nvm me then

[fierce marten]

Around the same height at shortest height option human

[slender shell]

Definitely a lot of work for either models but doable for potential dlc classes

Votaan have uh melee cthonian berserker? to pull from too for a more melee build and laser axes are awesome

As for the lore, radical inquistor C'est la vie

[fierce marten]

Grendyl has to be on the radical side to be as old as he is

[brave otter]

Kroot, from a technical standpoint, are no harder to implement than the Ogryn, but I agree it's wildly unlikely they wind up anywhere close to this game

[fierce marten]

Augmatics would not keep you alive for 500 years unless you went like full tech priest or biomancer psyker

[brave otter]

(As in, they both have wholly unique animation and model sets from the rest of the classes)

[fierce marten]

I mean we have Ogyrn

[brave otter]

Yeah thats what I'm saying

[slender shell]

Pulling way from when I read eisenhorn but 500 is like really old but doable on rejuv treatment, but like its our equivalent of being 100

[brave otter]

Getting Kroot into the game, from a technical standpoint, is not impossible
But like
We're not getting kroot lmao

[slender shell]

They can only add so many human classes dammit! Let me dream

[brave otter]

I want it too!
But it's not happening
lmao

[fierce marten]

Thing is that Grendyl was old when armaggeddeon happened

[slender shell]

Oh til, then yeah he's on something

[fierce marten]

Yea he was an established inquisitor during armaggeddeon

[slender shell]

Clearly he's an omega level biomancer which is why the rejects dont explode standing next to a beast of nurgle

[clear ridge]

didn't some of y'all here suspect that he is/is stuck in the ship?

[fierce marten]

My guess is he's fused with the ship in some way

[brave otter]

Isn't Grendyl like stiff arming the captain lady into using her ship for this

[slender shell]

Never see him so its been a common theory I think but doubtful because it's a rogue trader ship

[brave otter]

Like it's not his ship no

[fierce marten]

Yes because the ship, the lifeblood of a Rogue Trader eg Brahms, can't work without Grendyl for some reason

And this happened before Brahm

Being able to strong arm a Rogue Trader, people notorious for being free at all costs, into using their ship as a captive I think it goes beyond mundane strong arming

And there's a magos we basically never see karib constantly eating a ton of resources to research something for Grendyl

[brave otter]

I guess my perception of things is distorted because the other main 40k game I've played is Rogue Trader, where you get stiff armed by a high ranking inquistor into doing stuff despite being a rogue trader

[fierce marten]

Yea you do but you're the ultimate authority on your ship even if you're coerced

[slender shell]

Just from the opening intro Brahm seems sympathetic to what Grendly is doing

[fierce marten]

Brahms just straight up not in charge of her birthright at all

[fierce marten]

I can't tell when this happened but trials has a line about how Brahms really wants to leave the systen with her and would do anything to do so but laments she cannot while Grendyl wants something on Atoma

Whether it's like she was on board at first then developed regrets or wanted to leave at first but convinced to stick around I have no clue

[haughty ember]

Inquisitors interacting with Rogue Traders is weird because they are nominally on similar power levels and both can have the legal right to shoot the other so you end up with a "I need a favor" kind of detente

Calcazar has a lot of personal power both from being a Lord Inquisitor and also having a huge network of favors and forces under his command but even then he can't ding the RT for having Yrliet around since they have a big sheet of paper saying its legal

[ionic tusk]

I think she wants to have power over her own destiny, and the types of her freedom that she can exercise are more limited than what she would like
ie she runs missions not because she has to or anyone wants her to, but because she wants more agency over what's being done with her ship

also what grendyl is doing and what grendyl says they are doing are not the same thing so I'm wondering if she's more sympathetic to the latter than the former 🤔

[clear ridge]

I'm interested in what the fuck grendyl is actually here for

[fierce marten]

Whatever it is, its deep in the Underhive

[brave otter]

I honestly figured Calcazar just didn't care
Given

The cast of the upcoming Inquisition game,

[drowsy vine]

Based on context clues from Zola's and Brahms's memories, I'm reasonably sure Grendyl has either fused with the Mouringstar bodily or, worse, uploaded his mind to the ship

It's important to note that not even Rannick, his Interrogator, has seen him in person

Not once

Zola's memories confirm that

[drowsy vine]

Not all Inquisitors are radical in that fashion, though

[marsh gyro]

"Inquisitors? In my ship computer!?!" It's more common than you think!

[brave otter]

Oh yeah for sure
But like
||Calcazar...........||

[drowsy vine]

true

[silk sundial]

Or who he is

I suspect the story will end with tertium being leveled or becoming a forever war

[fierce marten]

Forever war is very 40k

Also sequels so Darktide 8: Tidier

[silk sundial]

Both endings are very 40K, there will be no heroic triumph, tertium will barely be standing by the end

What if Grendel made himself into an AI?

[tough compass]

What if Grendel is dead and Rannick is puppeting the robot so no one finds out (because Grendel made a lot of enemies so he probably won't get reassigned)

You only see the back of Rannick's head during Grendel's "I am a Warrior" speech. Just saying

[silk sundial]

Rannick is competent but he’s not that skilled of a chess master to pull that off

[drowsy tusk]

Brunt is Grendel

[covert trellis]

Listen to the mortis trials.
Rannick is maneuvering every faction in the Atoma system to join together and fight the chaos cultists. Factions that are normally kill on sight with each other.

[heavy geyser]

I believe in the theory that Grendyl ||is Swagger. ||

[clear ridge]

lol

based

[ionic tusk]

so true

[spring lynx]

Grendyl is a Necron Lord who impersonated the Inquisitor as a bit but it's now too awkward to reveal the trick so is trapped maintaining the facade

[frank igloo]

Rannick gets his assed reamed out by grendyl for sucking shit during the arbites intro. Its just two of them alone in a room so its not a performance for anyone

[tough compass]

Maybe he, uh, likes to roleplay with himself? That is pretty damning evidence though

[frank igloo]

https://youtu.be/DI_3zvxwugY

[tough compass]

It's clearly to trick Hadron since she has microphones everywhere

I have bad news for them about Rannick not failing grendyl again. The gameplay depends on him never succeeding

[spiral badger]

no i think we're not failing grendyl by keeping this going

[thick rivet]

Grendyl I think is either going to remain immaterial to the Rejects' path, or Tertium falling serves their ends somehow.

[spiral badger]

ust had one of those havoc games that reminds me why the mode does actually fuck
twice we had to run around panicking and kiting a hexed demonhost while also killing all sorts of other shit
and we pulled it off and it feels fucking incredible

[marsh gyro]

That rules, what kinda composition were y'all running

[spiral badger]

oggy/psky/vet(me)/arby

but the arby was dead both times hilariously

[tough compass]

Oh, fun fact. Other Hive Scum's Stimm Packs will trigger chemical dependency right now

[ionic tusk]

think it might be intentional
it feels very dumb though
imo they should have just made expending a stim in stim supply give you a stack of chemical dependency

[fierce marten]

Yea its very weird how using stim crate eats your stim

Kind of the way to get stacks of chem dependency fast is to stim first then drop crate

[ionic tusk]

that no longer does anything special dependency wise

since you get dependency stacks after you touch your dropped crate, but only if it consumed a stim (according to patch notes, didn't test it)

[ionic tusk]

it lets you share your stim and start recharging it faster so I'd say it's still worth

from my playing, you do get the +50% toughness on stim use even if it's in a supply 🤔
but there's some weirdness where you can drop your supply but not actually touch it and it won't apply until you do?

[fierce marten]

Dont you still share your stim if you have no charge then drop stim crate?

[ionic tusk]

my reading on that was inconclusive
some people say you do, some say you don't
I do know that that will increase the cooldown of your stim vs dropping your crate

I'll test it rn

[sonic elbow]

dropping the crate resets the stim cooldown back to start AIUI

[fierce marten]

I do not have a darktide crew to test if you still share your stim via stim crate if you have no stim charge

[ionic tusk]

yeah which is better than it being active for 15s blocking cooldown reduction and then going on cooldown

I am loading a game rn

but also I figure I can use the stim, wait 30s, then drop the crate and see if I get it again

[shrewd kite]

chem dependency is not demanding enough to merit that kind of ability juggling imo

especially if sharing the stim buff doesn't work if your stim is expended when you drop the crate

[sonic elbow]

I'm not sure I follow what's the issue

[tough compass]

They fixed it so when you use the stimm crate you get the buff (if it uses the stimm). But now you also get it from friends

[ionic tusk]

which isn't gamebreaking just weird and probably not a good direction to go in balance wise (encourages stacking the same ability and keystone) and is a super spaghetti implementation

[ionic tusk]

it does not seem to, you still get the base effects of the ability and a lot of visuals tho

but it does not really matter in many cases because your stim can easily come back faster than your ability and now there isn't a reason to use your stim over your ability (other than maybe wanting to save the corruption heal for later (?)) [and technically you can dodge your own stim supply's dependency stacks if you aren't in the deploy radius]

[sonic elbow]

I think always using the crate over stim is the point of crate dependency combo

it's a feature

[silk sundial]

Crate dependecy combo?

[full mortar]

using the crate on scum gives you a stack of dependancy

[silk sundial]

Chemist hive scum looks fun, love dot shenanigans

Will probably get the class eventually but want to refine my fundamentals first

[full mortar]

after the tree changes its a lot easier to get into lower levels

[fierce marten]

It's to stagger the buff with a longer CD stims so you can have more uptime on the buff while having stronger stim and Chem dependency stacks

As Chem dependency fully upgraded can give 20% crit chance and TDR with the 60s stacks

[shrewd kite]

it's pretty solid in aurics rn

although i do take the rocket launcher over the chem nade on my tox build since it seems a bit redundant with the supply crate explosion

[fierce marten]

Big thing is chem nade lingers for a lot longer

Rocket launcher is pretty fun

Ive been using it in auric trials in hopes I get nade regen to just spam it

[silk sundial]

Aurics?

[ionic tusk]

the highest normal difficulty

essentially the damnation difficulty but with the hi intensity modifier built in

auric trials would be that difficulty but in mortis trials, an alternative gamemode

[tough compass]

Eh, tox grenades do a lot more compared to the supply pack explosion. The build with a single point in stimms for <15 second supply packs is pretty funy (and a great way to get the acvievements, ha), but 5 seconds feels like so long lmao

[ionic tusk]

I think (?) it also has extra properties like the needle pistol's alt fire explosion

[ionic tusk]

I do think that build is kind of okay (and was before but was more annoying to use) with dependency since you get 50% toughness back every crate drop which occurs more often than every 15s

[fierce marten]

The explosion isnt really the selling point just a nice to have

[tough compass]

I don't know if it is good, but it is silly

Yeah, but you can build around it to have explosions very often

Which is funny

It does mean the Chemical Dependency cooldown bonus is a waste though

(I don't think it applies to stims?)

[ionic tusk]

it's a waste when you're using stim supply basically no matter what

[fierce marten]

Its kind of optimal if you want max support to your teammate as the crate buff lasts for 15s and the crate for 5s

[ionic tusk]

unless u want to use it without any stim effects tacked on

[fierce marten]

Yea its an odd design

[ionic tusk]

the 15s crate build is atrocious for support since you can only buy one node

[fierce marten]

Theres also the talent to get stim cooldown on kills

[ionic tusk]

yes that's part of the build

[tough compass]

Can you drop a crate and then get it back immediately after stims cooldown?

[ionic tusk]

semi immediately

it needs to expire
so you'd need to proc enough of the % reductions to get it back within 5 seconds for it not to work

[tough compass]

Oh, I mean like if you have a 74 second stim and a 60 second crate. Can you drop a crate at 60 seconds and then 14 seconds later when the stim cooldowns?

[ionic tusk]

oh, yeah

🤔

[tough compass]

Not that an unenhanced crate does a whole lot out of narrow situations

[ionic tusk]

trying to figure out if that'd be good or bad for allies
on one hand, placebo crates, on the other hand might group them up for your real crate

getting an extra chem explosion might be worth tbh

[tough compass]

It would help against beasts of nurgle or the twins and other corruption situations I guess

[ionic tusk]

yeah corruption cleanse and immunity is very niche but very powerful in that niche

[tough compass]

But I feel it is one of the most situational abilities if you don't take an extra point in it to get the stimm effect upgrades?

[fierce marten]

Its why its crate using stim is a stickler for me

You have to do stim first then crate if you want them separately for chem dependency with the talent that makes it last 60s

[ionic tusk]

wdym

it still shares you stim base, it's just bad at it

[tough compass]

Wait, really?

[ionic tusk]

and also your allies wouldn't get the buffs

[ionic tusk]

yeah they have to stand in it to get the effect

[tough compass]

Oh, I am dumb. I am not sure why I thought the opposite lmao

[ionic tusk]

the upgrade makes it linger for 15s after they touch it

[fierce marten]

Is it confirmed somewhere you need your stim charge to be active to give it to others

[ionic tusk]

there's plenty of combat abilities which receive massive benefits from talent nodes though

[ionic tusk]

I am confirming that I tested it and the people I was playing with and they said I gave them a ton of fake crates haha

I played placebo stim supply and stimmed myself before dropping the crate every time

[fierce marten]

I see, still fine not every crate needs to be with a stim

[ionic tusk]

also you don't get the benefit as far as I can tell if you drop it when it's on cooldown and your stim isn't active

[fierce marten]

I do want to try out a stim labless crate as the base games stims just seem overall stronger to share and chem dependency CDR would be useful for stim crate. Also being able to share a med stim with the party in an elevator seems great and for like 4 scum pub games no one else can use stims

[ionic tusk]

I played alongside a friend using that and there are some issues (mostly just relating to pubs)
ie you will often want to med stim everyone while not in an elevator or airlock (some maps barely have any) and they will stare at it and refuse to stand on it before it expires
and a lot of the strength comes if you have an ally handing you a stim so you're not limited to 1 stim and having to find another
or if you want to use your ability but don't want to waste the med stim you found

CDR is still useless for the build because gaining a stim through any means (picking it up, getting handed it, but not swapping stims (?)) resets the cooldown (unless the crate is on the ground)

dependency is also gonna be hell because you will need to use a ground stim every 90s and they might not spawn that much/other people might take them

[fierce marten]

Other keystones might be the way to go

Ive been using the melee keystone mostly

[ionic tusk]

like you're basically guaranteed to lose stacks during holdout sections where you can't find more stims

I think all 3 keystones are great they just don't work in certain builds

[silk sundial]

What are the difficulties again?

[ionic tusk]

uprising, malice, heresy, damnation, auric

every mission has a base difficulty

then it can have modifiers

[silk sundial]

What’s havok? Thought I heard of that as a difficulty

[ionic tusk]

notably damnation missions can have the same (? it might have changed) net difficulty as auric missions if they have more modifiers

[uneven turret]

havoc's kind of a side mode, beyond difficulties

[ionic tusk]

havoc is an alternative game mode, it also uses those difficulties

[uneven turret]

yeag

[ionic tusk]

it has a ton of penalties and failure effects (kind of)

you can't play havoc unless you've completed a maelstorm

[uneven turret]

to my understanding (for i havent played it) its regular missions stacked with modifiers to make it harder

[ionic tusk]

which is a special kind of mission with silly modifiers

[fierce marten]

Havoc 1-20 is like not as hard as auric but 20+ is when it gets harder than auric so its the de facto end game difficulty past auric

[ionic tusk]

there's a havoc level (1-40) which has mostly-hidden modifiers
and then 1-2 special havoc modifiers and optionally a normal mission environmental modifier

[uneven turret]

you can find maelstroms starting at heresy

[ionic tusk]

notably havoc 1 starts in like, malice or heresy

you will skip to havoc 10 (maybe 15 now?) if you complete an auric maelstorm instead of another maelstorm

[mortal crystal]

Havoc 1 is Malice

And an Auric Maelstrom unlocks Havoc 15

[uneven turret]

im too scared to touch that terminal

[ionic tusk]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903
here's all the hidden modifiers but imo don't worry about havoc until you do some auric maelstorms

[ionic tusk]

the most scary thing about havoc is dealing with party finder

because it's exclusively premades

[fierce marten]

Even then its more of an inconvenience

[mortal crystal]

Notably Havoc 21 is when the base difficulty swaps from Heresy to Damnation meaning all the base HP and spawn rates jump up massively

[fierce marten]

Ive done pub havoc games with little communication besides like switch auras or maybe swap builds if theres a duplicate

[marsh gyro]

1 havoc a week isn't too bad and gives a ton of plasteel and diamantine

[ionic tusk]

yeah that's fine, but uh

people who have never played a havoc queue into havoc 30+ games a lot

or at least try

so if you're joining you probably don't see that end of the host having to turn down (or ignore if they keep applying) players who couldn't survive in auric

the expectations of how hard it is aren't established very well until a person does a few games

[uneven turret]

well i suppose i do need my plasteel to fuel my hive scum addiction

[ionic tusk]

we could do a havoc 20-ish if anyone has it rn?

[uneven turret]

sadly i cant seem to run dry on diamantine, 10k and climbing

[fierce marten]

Hive Scum has depleted my diamantine mostly cause im empowering all good rolls I see of weapons I wont use bt I just want at 500 just in case

[ionic tusk]

my ordo dockets finally dropped below the cap for longer than a few hours 😌

[fierce marten]

I also burned my ordo dockets upgrading all hive scum weapons to like level 12 at level 1 using greys from brunt

[uneven turret]

i suspect with this imperial amount of game having its gonna take actual effort to dry those reserves out

[ionic tusk]

esp. if you add havoc to the mix hahaha

[fierce marten]

If I get back into havoc im gonna hit that cap again

[ionic tusk]

you'll probably hit the cap again anyways now that all your things to spend ordos on have died down

[fierce marten]

Ive just been burning it all on giving every class a 500 power weapon of every kind no matter no unlikely ill use it

[ionic tusk]

the only passive thing is if you want to swap weapon blessings and perks

[ionic tusk]

why only one :3

[fierce marten]

Evil suggestion

[ionic tusk]

I have like 4 minmaxed stat arbites shotguns

and like 4 dueling swords per character

[fierce marten]

I have a 500 power viligant autogun on psyker

[ionic tusk]

but not duplicates of other stuff

and there's a ton of weapons I didn't like the combos of/pitch so I didn't get heheho

[fierce marten]

I used to have like 3 knifes so I didnt have to change the blessings so I get that

[ionic tusk]

I did recently make a minmaxed 500 weapon and then decide I didn't like the combos after :agony:

[fierce marten]

I still do buut I used to as well

[ionic tusk]

pov: didn't realize damage was the dump stat

[fierce marten]

Big same

I think 80 mob even gives an extra dodge on needle pistol

[ionic tusk]

it shouldn't but rounding jank could be happening

you might be thinking of the talent that does that (give an extra ranged dodge)

[fierce marten]

I guess its not a weapon with a dodge breakpoint

[ionic tusk]

are there any? 🤔

[silk sundial]

Needle pistols have always been a pet 40K weapon for me for whatever reason

[brazen fossil]

well

I now have an actual build on scum

that feels pretty good

[fierce marten]

Flamer has a dodge breakpoint

Goes from 2 to 3 if you don't min it at 60%, I forgot if it's 61% or 65% mob

[ionic tusk]

trying to test it but darktide isn't letting me equip the loadout I put the flamer I'm leveling on lmao

huh changing the emote cosmetics did fix that issue 🤔

dodge limit didn't seem to change both on the game's weapon info view or on my modded hud ingame view

[silk sundial]

How do weapon stats work?

[marsh gyro]

Each weapon mark has 5 categories that have a range of bonuses, the range can be from 0-100 but the roll only ever can hit 80% and the total sum of the 5 rolls doesn't go over 380% (like 4 80s and a 60)

Damage for example has a fixed component then the damage stat adds a 0-80% value to that fixed stat so in practice a 0% damage weapon still does like 60% of max damage

If you mouse over the bars in the inspect screen they tell you the ranges and what the rolls landed on

[ionic tusk]

this is an example of one of the hovers (with a mod to tell me what the stat is at 60% roll and 80% roll so I can see the end ranges better)

[tough compass]

The 0-80% stat values is a very weird type of futureproofing. I wish they hid it from us until it became relevant

[clear ridge]

yeah please just fucking let em hit 100% lmfao

[ionic tusk]

there's at least a mod to make the bar go from 0% to 80%
mods: making darktide less jank one infinitely small qol at a time

[warped crown]

what does the percentage stuff mean? i'm having trouble understanding it

[tough compass]

It's how far the bar is along from the minimum values to the maximum values

(It's not really a proper percentage)

So like, if min damage was 100 and max was 200. 50% weapon damage would be 150.

I think it is linear? But some stats (dodge amount in particular) have weird breakpoints

[cyan depot]

Also the scale can vary a lot

It’s hard to make sense of

[silk sundial]

I’m definitely still learning all the stuff in darktide, still struggling on higher difficulties too

[tough compass]

Fatshark likes their poorly explained mechanics

[uneven turret]

they cant keep getting away with it /j

[fierce marten]

Taking a break from hive scum and played some zealot, its like night and day difference, I might just wait to see if more fixes or changes happen to Hive Scum. Certainly makes the event a lot easier

[opaque crown]

hive scum weak or just better for your play style?

[fierce marten]

I just think its weak

Not enough cannon for the glass

[drowsy vine]

What builds have you tried?

[fierce marten]

Assume all the current meta ones for hive scum

[marsh gyro]

Zealot not dying every 90 seconds is a super stimm

[fierce marten]

Veteran seems to outdo hive scum in a lot of ways except for being a bullet hose while being tanky

[ionic tusk]

I've been having a lot of fun with pickpocket primary builds outside the event but every event altar feels like a high % chance for me to be caught out with nothing to kill (especially during captain fights after the inital wave dies)
also poxbursters are brutal rn

[ionic tusk]

except?

[fierce marten]

Veteran can't match like dual autogun spam when hive scum has pickpocket, veteran can't turn any guns into a gun they use constantly as in like don't ever touch melee.

[ionic tusk]

they can't turn any gun, but recon lazgun + kraks is a no melee build
and if you put shout on it it's still super tanky

[fierce marten]

The guns it can bullet hose are like ammo efficient ones like helbore or plasma gun

Hive scum can turn infantry autogun into a bullet hose if they kill an elite while for Vet they have to use certain ones

[spiral badger]

dual autos with vulture dodge is an extremely effective build that is extremely hard to kill

and generally very effective at everything except killing armor

[fierce marten]

Arbites id say is harder to kill

[ionic tusk]

is vulture's dodge a specific talent? or just using dodge

[fierce marten]

Yea crit gives immunity for 1 s

[spiral badger]

it's a node on the vulture keystone

total damage immunity on ranged crit for 1s

with no CD

[ionic tusk]

ah that one, I had forgotten the name

[spiral badger]

so you just spray autos and are never hurtable

[fierce marten]

Except during reloads

[spiral badger]

i think the meta build is that with can opener crowbar

to make armor killable

[ionic tusk]

I think hive scum's speed also makes them fairly resilient

[spiral badger]

yeah, and melee immune slide node

[ionic tusk]

ah
I've been running the rending stim and magdumping crusher's faces

[fierce marten]

Im not saying they have no good builds, but the other classes builds tend to outdo hive scum while not being glass

[spiral badger]

also valid but can opener crowbar is always available

[ionic tusk]

tru

[spiral badger]

i think the biggest thing is that hive scum is incredibly good to have against large amounts of ranged

[fierce marten]

Psyker is also good for that and gives it to your team via bubble

[spiral badger]

which is not an uncommon situation

[ionic tusk]

I think most of the infinite alternatives tend to either lack speed, ranged, or clear

[spiral badger]

bubble is good but it's surprisingly bad in some situations because it doesn't actually last

[ionic tusk]

and the infinite alternatives are like
vet with laz weapons and staff psyker

[spiral badger]

also hive scum imo gets better relatively as you play higher havoc

because all those safety nets everyone else has stop working/reduce in effectiveness

so everyone is playing like hive scum lol

"oh if I fuck up once I die? yeah join the club"

[fierce marten]

Not really

Zealot until death doesnt care about havoc debuffs

[ionic tusk]

that's one fuck up every 2 minutes

[spiral badger]

also in high havoc you often are just pinned in a position where you get killed again anyway

[fierce marten]

I am aware but I am responding to this statement

[spiral badger]

zealot's relative survivability also does spike, it's true

[ionic tusk]

I think bubble is also impacted by the best staves with it being the ones that farm melee enemies for warp charges

which tend to make the bubble user themselves not actually focus on ranged enemies so you still need someone to actually kill them

[spiral badger]

but like, hive scum's weakness being that they require extremely tight play just doesnt' matter as much as you get to difficulties where everyone has to play that tight

and they output a very useful amount of damage, don't require ammo support, and can provide significant team advantage if specced for it

also their blitzes are all really good

[fierce marten]

Not everyone has to play that tight, some classes require less tight gameplay at havoc 40 like arbites and vet

Ogyrn

[spiral badger]

as someone who regularly plays havoc 40 those guys still die really fast if you slip up

arbites and ogryn in particular are vulnerable to mass ranged fire, which is the exact thing that hive scum is very strong for countering

[fierce marten]

Yea but its not like theyre going to be as squishy as a hive scum

[spiral badger]

it's a good synergy

[marsh gyro]

Darktide's one of those games where you gotta not blink for 35 minutes because that time it took to sneeze 4 pox bursters came outta a door

[clear ridge]

no but they also do a lot less sustained damage

[cyan depot]

Esp with the weird stretchy poxwalker explosions right now

[clear ridge]

or at least, ogryn deals a bit less sustained damage and needs a constant stream of ammo stuffed down his throat

and arbites deals notably less sustained damage

[spiral badger]

hive scum is great to run with an arbites or ogryn because they free up ammo for them and also cover a lot of their problems

it's extremely synergistic

[clear ridge]

of course, arbites has plenty of burst damage and good cc

including aoe with dognade or dogless shock mine

[spiral badger]

arbites/ogryn can block for scum and scum can deal with large amounts of ranged shit preventing ogryn/arbites from moving up

[clear ridge]

but the raw ammo efficiency is worse

as is the overall damage number output

this is why darktide is a team game with four players, of course

[spiral badger]

i am theorycrafting that the present Meta Team is probably arby/vet/scum/psyk

[silk sundial]

So tank builds don’t work in high difficulties?

[clear ridge]

scum has very valuable things to offer, and in return needs buddies to hide behind with rare build exceptions

[spiral badger]

tank builds do work but they're very specific

specifically you want the shields

if by tank build you mean "can absorb hits" then the answer is no on high havoc

getting hit is just crippling no matter what

but tank disruption or full shield builds on ogryn/arby work great

[silk sundial]

How do you use the shields?

[cyan depot]

I’m a little surprised no zealot or ogryn but I guess their roles can be covered

[spiral badger]

ogryn can swap in for arby

zealot is kind of the odd one out right now

[fierce marten]

Vet has quite the sustained damage

[spiral badger]

so the shields can block ranged fire, which is a big deal, and also ogryn if you plant the shield can just straight absorb all attacks coming from the front, which can really help

and they're also fairly good killing weapons

you could swap vet and zealot or maybe psyker and zealot but the zealot is in a weird place right now in high havoc where chant is not as good as it was due to less CDR availability

there is also an argument on some mods for a specialist monster remover zealot

having a thammer zealot as a fallback on Rituals can make a big difference lol

[fierce marten]

Just in general for havoc with all the monstrosities

[spiral badger]

but right now zealot is kinda being held back because their meta role (chant support with high CDR) got nerfed, their damage wasn't really increased a ton to compensate, and their blitzes are kinda bad

[fierce marten]

Zealot definitely not in it's prime

At least for havoc 40

[spiral badger]

so you're either running throwing knives and using flamer/bolter, which is good but not as good as say, veteran grenades

or you're running grenades and being the lowest priority pick for grenade picks

because the grenades are both kinda meh

[fierce marten]

No regen hurts a lot

[spiral badger]

zealot is still the best at staying alive but your relative contribution to success took a big hit

[silk sundial]

I like the ripper gun but that thing has range ans ammo problems

[spiral badger]

yeah ripper gun needs some love

can opener ripper still has its place but that's so hyperspecific and the ogryn has more than enough melee options to just crack armor the old fashioned way

[silk sundial]

Butst on hip fire makes cleaning up so inefficient

[spiral badger]

ripper as a whole package is probably one of the worst guns in the game right now

down with the vigilant autos

[cyan depot]

I’ve always been a little puzzled why FS is so afraid to give the rippers a reasonable ammo reserve

[marsh gyro]

They're really good per ammo and if they actually had a decent reserve you could use them forever and Ogryn can't have nice things

The hit mass buffs to poxwalkers on Havoc really ruin them for crowd clear unfortunately

3 cleave base on a ripper is 3 poxwalkers normally at 1.25 hit mass and only 1 poxwalker at 4.05 hit mass on Havoc 40

[shrewd kite]

maybe it's just my build, but i definitely feel like my shiv scum is better at chewing through mixed hordes than my zealot, at the cost of tankiness

it's no flame psyker, but like, what is

tbh my favourite zealot build is the chorus spam still

arbites has pretty ok damage output, but nothing on the level of scum. i'd say shout/squad leader vet is still pound for pound the most valuable build i have

[shrewd kite]

i feel like gunlugger ogryn is just conceptually flawed and has been totally left in the dust between vet and scum

[ionic tusk]

this is how I feel about zealot rn

I do think the bonk loadout is worth if the bonker can reliably kill bosses before they do anything
playing with .5 of a player but no bosses and stealth revives is a good deal imo

but it's challenging to bonk if there's a lot of stuff around blocking it

I think zealot has always been the most easily replaceable in havoc even before the changes, just a lot, lot more forgiving than the alternatives

[spiral badger]

before the changes you were generally taking either zealot or vet, but vet is now a lot better and zealot worse

so it's firmly vet as a pick

because before it was always a pick of "some support, some damage, and gold toughness"

[ionic tusk]

maybe I overvalue survivalist but I feel vet has always been a 'even if they contribute half as much the support benefits are required'

[spiral badger]

and balancing vet's superior support against their fragility and relative damage issues

compared to zealot

[ionic tusk]

same with psyker

[spiral badger]

but now vet does more damage, their support is even better, and zealot is worse at everything except staying, personally, alive

[shrewd kite]

veteran brings a nontrivial amount of support literally just by being on the team and not dying, thanks to the ammo aura

[spiral badger]

and the specialist boss killing setup

[ionic tusk]

I haven't found vet to be as fragile as people claim but I think I overbuild for survival

also haven't been to 40 since vet update, only like, 37

[spiral badger]

this update is not so bad, rotten armor is out lol

they still haven't fixed the bugged early triggering rituals though

[ionic tusk]

yeag

[spiral badger]

which is annoying as hell

[ionic tusk]

I had a funny build that worked well against rotten armor

the secret 4th keystone: throw 5 buffed shredders per encounter

[spiral badger]

i rescued 2 horrible situations in a 35 just recently via the method of running away while throwing grenades and firing plasma backwards

[ionic tusk]

and have everything spend 2/3rds of it's time on it's ass while clearing chaff for dodge room

[spiral badger]

but I just wish they'd fix those fucking rituals

oh, and I guess zealot has some use on this set because of Gross Booger Pools

but scum can cover that now too

[shrewd kite]

the corruption clear you mean?

[spiral badger]

yeah

[silk sundial]

Shane I like the heavy guns

[shrewd kite]

hmm. i'm curious whether the aspd/rending stimm might have a role at havoc level, given how frequently it can be spammed

[spiral badger]

also pseudo-gunlugger ogryn with the rumbler is still very good, it's just the specific burst limiter override active that sucks

[shrewd kite]

or even the CDR one, that would be pretty valuable spread across the entire team i bet

btw, is the smite heavy attack interaction worth exploring at all? The 'electrocuted targets take % damage' node seems like it would make that interaction worthwhile but idk

[silk sundial]

Plasma vet and shield ogryn are the builfscmy brother is interested in, but he was also hoping for skitari

[spiral badger]

well lucky for him, those are both really good builds

[silk sundial]

How are the eviscerator and chain axe?

[opaque crown]

both are fun for different things

eviscerator i think is a great generalist big weapon

its rev mode is good for single target shredding, its normal hits can crowd sweep with a few combos, and its heavies are good at handling single elites

the chain axe is broadly similar, but i like the version with rev lights to just stun lock zerkers

[clear ridge]

gimme a big chain axe...

[flint moss]

unpleasant discovery: exploding poxwalkers reset the count for Serial Killer if they kill anything

[fierce marten]

Eviscerator kills bosses nicely for practically 0 talent opportunity cost

Like say running FoF/Chorus and not Martyr

Also great safe horde clear with strong stagger

[drowsy vine]

yeah eviscerator absolutely wrecks bosses and can do it with Fury of the Faithful too

the sawcharge tech does something in the vicinity of 15k damage on weakspot hit

[clear ridge]

what node is serial killer?

i assume a scum node

[cyan depot]

Is that the latch the saw then charge thing?

[drowsy vine]

yup

normally FotF only makes the initial impact of the saw attack crit, inherit the rending etc.

but charging after you latch makes the entire saw inherit the 100% rending and makes it all crit

including the damage at the end

[tough compass]

FotF is so janky

Does it still have the effect of causing ranged attacks to all crit?

[drowsy vine]

nope, that got removed a while back

[cyan depot]

shame

I miss the faithful bolter combo

[tough compass]

huh, weird that it still works that way with the chainsword after charge then

[flint moss]

thankfully(?) it's a penance not a node

[fierce marten]

Eviscerator for people who havent used it in a very long time has lower "friction" to the animation so its smoother and faster

[shrewd kite]

man, every few months i think to myself 'i should try an assail build' and everytime i regret it

[ionic tusk]

what builds where you using and in what difficulty? assail has come a long way lately

[shrewd kite]

uhhh, force greatsowrd, voidblast, with telekine shield and disrupt destiny

i've seen assail do good work, but i cannot get my head around my blitz being 'gun 2' i think

[ionic tusk]

yeag personally I think it might be a bit wasted on voidblast and shield because those cover a lot of the scenarios where you'd want to use assail

I think it works great on gun builds to alleviate ammo needs and provide some clear

[shrewd kite]

yeah i did think about a double barrel/assail build

[ionic tusk]

but if you have voidblast shield u can kinda just. walk at enemies shielding and blasting

and the cost (peril) will come out of the same cost as voidblast

[spiral badger]

assail needs... something

[ionic tusk]

it has very tough competition I think is the problem

[spiral badger]

the problem with it is that it is an extremely generalist option on a class that tends to prefer a bunch of specialist tools

[ionic tusk]

brain burst you throw on a staff/gun to give it more dps when you're not using your blitz and also an infinite range slow option that works on armor
smite you pick for chaff clear and making space
assail you pick for midranged not-armored clear... which isn't a concern on a lot of builds either due to shield or having the range already

[shrewd kite]

yeah and psyker is never gonna be anti-gunner like vet or (now) scum

or at least not as good at it

[ionic tusk]

even then brain burst is decent at that and probably more useful the rest of the time too if you pick both of it's nodes (faster charge after combat ability + instant cast on damage every 12s)

like popping a shield and then spamming out brain bursts on the gunner line

[shrewd kite]

bb is half-decent on a shriek build since you can spam both of them very easily, but otherwise i wouldn't use it for anything besides picking off annoying snipers/bombers tbh

or just rely on kinetic flayer to proc it

[ionic tusk]

yeah it's amazing even if you never use it

because it uses itself lel

and every use against most non-ogyrn enemies = a perilous combustion proc when that thing dies

I'd say give assail a try with gunker and empowered psionics though

it won't be Amazing but it should do decent

[silk sundial]

Even brain pop?

[shrewd kite]

you only pop 1 brain at a time

[silk sundial]

Fair, I found pop quite disappointing tbh

My allies often just kill the target before it pops

[cyan depot]

It's not super good without talents boosting it

[flint moss]

the eternal psyker problem: how make blitz not suck

[tough compass]

Without talents its of limited use. Nice with the flame staff so you can deal with stuff far away though

[flint moss]

i recommend the pop on hit talent and empowered for brain rupture

[silk sundial]

I find myself mostly using my ranger weapons instead of my blitz’s

[marsh gyro]

Enhanced Psionics Brain burst you can pretty much burst your way through Aurics; Havoc gets rougher with 8000 HP crushers

[fierce marten]

The option for if you dont want to use any of psyker's blitzes actively

Brainburst on hits

[flint moss]

exactly, kill a mauler with one(1) shot from the shredder pistol because he got ruptured

[cyan depot]

Yeah with investment its solid

I think Assail and lightning are generally good

[fierce marten]

If you want penace then auric mortis trials has great brain burst perks

Assuming you get lucky and get them

The brainburst 10 nearby enemies on a brainburst kill one is very fun

Especially with the brain burst sets everything in the area on fire

[marsh gyro]

Assail's weird because how much value you get per dart depends on cleave bonuses which isn't intuitive, it's nice to conserve ammo on gun psyker if you got a way to punch carapace

[fierce marten]

Oh yes the cleave on peril one is nice for assailt

[shrewd kite]

does psyker even have any good anti-armour guns to pair with assail? You're think the double barrel would be good for this role but not really

closest thing i can think of is the bolt pistol i guess, and bolt pistol doesn't really run into ammo issues on auric unless you're trying to horde clear with it

[cyan depot]

Revolver

Gunslinger Seer is super fun

[marsh gyro]

Revolver, Bolt Pistol, that's pretty much it for ranged anti carapace, it's easy to bonk armor with an uncanny strike force sword or dueling sword though if you wanna use shotty

[tough compass]

Hmm, I think I like the autopistols better for a ranged hive scum. But the stubpistols sure make me feel a lot cooler

[ionic tusk]

also I think you might have been right with your choice of keystone
empowered is worse for assail than I remember heheho

[cyan depot]

Empowered is kind of wasted on assail iirc

It just king of gives you More Bolts

Which you don’t really need

Both of the others are pretty good imo

[shrewd kite]

i remember empowered being the pick for smite, but not really anything else

i mean you could use it for BB if you really wanted to since it improves the charge time but probably not worth it imo

[cyan depot]

BB empowered is ok but I remember it feeling really janky

Like you need to maintain high perils to use it because it doesn’t increase perils on its own and such

And the warp charges one is always there, boosting outgoing damage of all kinds substantially

[shrewd kite]

yeah i have a very reliable and passive BB+shriek+warp charge build

that's the classic inferno + greatsword build

[marsh gyro]

Assail really likes the finesse stacks from bottom right

[cyan depot]

I think assail+seer is a lot of fun

[sonic elbow]

I had a semi-joke build meant to spam BB during to blow yourself up prevention period of seer's gaze

[cyan depot]

But it’s also playing on hard mode haha

[shrewd kite]

World''s First Crystalline Will user

[fierce marten]

It works 100% of the time it works

[hushed glade]

Scum should get the House Cawdor fucked up jank guardian spears

[brave otter]

another weapon with the Grenadier Gauntlet's gimmick would go hard

[warped crown]

nah that should be a zealot weapon

[silk sundial]

Cawdor is zealot yeah, like how ogryn has gotten Goliath stuff

[uneven turret]

how would one pick up the darktide rejects role

[cyan depot]

I think it’s self assignable in #bot-stuff

[uneven turret]

yup it was

cheers

[silk sundial]

Although the power saw should be scum and zealot

[silk sundial]

Does the warp ghost skill for Parker reduce quelling effectiveness?

[dawn totem]

Currently trying out a shock maul & shield/double barrel shotgun build for my Abarties

[silk sundial]

Is there a way to guarantee a weapon you want or just rng

[quiet escarp]

Brunt's Armory, the other tab in the Requisition Vendor, let's you buy random grey versions of any weapon you have unlocked

Besides that, it's all RNG

[ionic tusk]

iirc just passive quelling
automatic (with talents) and manual (with reload key) should be the same

[silk sundial]

Grey versions are worthless though, even like an hour after unlocking that feature

[shrewd kite]

you can consecrate any grey weapon

so basically roll the slot machine till you get a good roll, consecrate it, and then sdwap in good refinements/blessings once you've leveled it

[ionic tusk]

the only thing on a weapon you can't change are the end stat rolls

[ionic tusk]

you can also buy the weapons consecrate them once and then sacrifice for mastery once you build a nest egg and want to try a new weapon but don't want to grind from low power/bad blessings/perks

[brave otter]

At Hadron, as you increase mastery rank, you unlock the ability to spend resources to slot in non random bonuses and perks, as well as upgrade in rank as stated previously
So to start, you will be relying on random weapons but if you play a particular weapon type a lot you will be able to get exactly the weapon you want guaranteed with resource expidenture

[haughty ember]

Not necessarily guaranteed since you are rolling for stat spread

But you can roll until you get a godroll

[brave otter]

Yeahhh there is the pokemon IV stuff
Always a super fun addition to any game it's in!

[ionic tusk]

the chances for a minmaxed roll feel much higher than they would be with full random, I wonder how it works

[fierce marten]

Im betting its curved or something

I get a lot more 60/80s than in betweens and rarely see clean 70/70/80s

[silk sundial]

Going to have to feed weapons to ogryn grenade launcher then, want to try it Cyr game hasn’t given me any to use

It’s at 0 for a lv 26 ogryn

[tough compass]

I need to wait for other players to log a character into the mourning star?

[fierce marten]

The secret p2p

[ionic tusk]

I think that shows up even when in a solo strike team

it's very weird

[tough compass]

It turns out that Jesus joins you for every game of Darktide

[brazen fossil]

yo

does the +5 stim duration work on the linger from stim supply ?

[fierce marten]

Is this DH unavoidable? Theres another DH and the room to the right

[flint moss]

probably not but i havent tested it

[ionic tusk]

I've read no but also haven't tested it personally

[ionic tusk]

there's some dh that aren't super possible to get past if they're already half triggered so it might have been one of those

if the dh isn't at the exit to the other room you should also be able to loop around it

[ionic tusk]

but even in this case, walking past as far away as the floor permits can get them super aggravated but not triggered depending on how much aggro they started with

[fierce marten]

The other dh was near the exit of the loop room

We did try to look for an alt passage for like half a minute but we partially triggered it due to killing some snipers near them and ended up just throwing everything at the pictured one

I'm trying to figure out if I'm missing a route or it was just not possible to not trigger one

[ionic tusk]

it might have been not possible to not trigger it in your situation but possible to walk by it and only 50% trigger it if you went for it right away

[heavy geyser]

Looking at the DH contributes to angering it so as you walk around the corner, make sure to look away from it as well..

[covert trellis]

Only if you have the flashlight on a gun set to ON

[heavy geyser]

The flashlight amplifies it, but you looking at the DH also increases its anger.

The last or nearest person to look directly at it is a contributing factor to who it latches onto when it attacks, iirc.

[silk sundial]

Havent fought many demon hosts so far

[heavy geyser]

Looking back at it again I think I misread the note about looking at it directly. Hmm.

[silk sundial]

Havent fought many demon hosts so far

They’re the witch equivalents roght? Best avoided instead of fought

[cyan depot]

Kind of like witches yeah

But you can’t really crown them

And there’s no special reward for killing them

They’re mostly an exercise in careful pathing and checking fire

[heavy geyser]

Now this one I do know! You can crown them, but you need one of two weapons to do it.

[spiral badger]

yeah stealth zealot with the relic blade or Thammer can in fact just bop 'em

[fierce marten]

Thammer can reliably one shot them with the right setup

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159883850562932826/1420700290738557008/Crowning_Daemonhost.mp4?ex=693c8600&is=693b3480&hm=e87ac4129002876331c5b8f2618c9caaf210dd5e81d2e482274379e0a3fd1a81&

[ionic tusk]

imo demonhosts aren't especially hard to kill they just have really annoying hitboxes and their aoe corruption often makes the team worse off if they're fought than if someone died (everyone who was close to the dh at like 60% max hp left)
there's also some old vet builds that can one/two clip them before this kicks in which also avoid corruption, they're probably stronger now but haven't checked
or a tank and the rest of the team try to stay out of the corruption aura

[ionic tusk]

notably it's not just damage, suppression also sets them off
so snipers/gunners next to them can be a huge problem

[ionic tusk]

(oh and there's also some event/modifier demonhosts that don't apply corruption but also don't stop after 1 kill)

[silk sundial]

Suppression is a favoured way to deal with those two problems?

[ionic tusk]

no, suppression is a byproduct of shooting ranged weapons and some abilities
it makes some lesser and most ranged enemies stop attacking and cower/run to cover

but it also triggers demonhosts

afaik that's why like, blades of faith, brain burst, etc still can set the dh into the partially active state when they kill a nearby enemy, because they still have suppression despite not seeming like it

[cyan depot]

The suppression “hitbox” is just much bigger

[spiral badger]

<Male Agitator> Next time I am eye-to-eye with the enemy, I would appreciate some support
<Male Loose Cannon>

[cyan depot]

Lmfaooooo

[crystal sluice]

lmfao

[opaque crown]

there are some golden interactions in the game

just sometimes feels like they're few and far between

i wouldn't mind more frequent chatter/varied chatter

also question on playing ogryn, if youre running coward culling, you're pretty much hard built to clear chaff right?

cause big stuff never gets suppressed

[ionic tusk]

I think there's a problem where the most recent chatter that gets added plays over and over and over and over again while the old chatter rarely plays

idk if the old chatter gets removed or if the new chatter gets an absurd probability increase, but something is definitely up

[tough compass]

I think it's flag based? So it could be the new stuff is more common because you are more likely to run into other people who haven't triggered the given dialog yet

[fierce marten]

It's definitely borked in some way

[ionic tusk]

I think it was triggering on the same people but I'm much less confident on that part 🤔
I'll have to pay more attention

iirc dialogue is partly client side so there might be something in the code that could tell

[marsh gyro]

At least we're past the days of "What's this I hear about the Cicatrix Maledictum!?!"

[mortal crystal]

Don't forget the ratling racism convo every mission

Tbh I feel part of it is modern difficulties have so much shit going on the convos get interrupted

[spiral badger]

so the actual issue with chatter is that it's interrupted super easily

if any of the characters say something else mid chatter it's cut off

so if you use your active or blitz? cut off because of your "using this" voiceline

pinging? cut off because "TRAPPER!"

sometimes cut off because someone hits a barrel near you and your guy goes BARREL

and they don't resume afterwards

imo they should just make it so the conversation resumes after a little bit

[fierce marten]

The mourningstar mod that makes it if you go into a menu during a on ship dialogue it continues

Unfortunately it seems not possible to create a mod for in mission lines

[sonic elbow]

oh that's an anti-me mod

I go into menus to skip dialogue

me kid had a good laugh at my frame perfect reflexes to cancel sephoni lines in the psykhanum

I wasn't even thinking about it

...I must sound very sour about this game whenever I talk anything other than gameplay but Sefoni really grates me

[clear ridge]

why sefoni in particular?

[sonic elbow]

a good part of it feels intentional which fine I accept and respect

[spiral badger]

it's ok. sefoni loves you.

[sonic elbow]

the effects layered onto the lines make it a bit of a brown note to my ears specifically

don't blame them for not being accommodating to people with the fuckin gene that makes ur ear explode

and then most of the time she has nothing to say really

the characterization is done in a few good lines and is then repeated in extra variations that don't land

[ionic tusk]

I also do this because I have speakers and people enter my room a lot

[tough compass]

Oh, things are probably bugged now where you use your stimm and then stimm supply to get the stimm buff twice. If you have practiced deployment and time things right, you can stack it thrice

[dawn totem]

I hope Abarties doesn't becomes an abandoned class because of GW interference

[sonic elbow]

abandoned as in no more cosmetics?

[silk sundial]

Why is that a risk?

[tough compass]

People are speculating that they don't have that many cosmetic options because of GW

[silk sundial]

Ah, yeah they have much less thematic space than the others

But there’s probably still a lot they could do within that but gw veto could definitely be a problem

[silk sundial]

Number of new weapons they could get though, executioner, grenade launcher, arbites heavy stubber, trauma rod and various generic weapons like plasma pistol

[sonic elbow]

oh hey, it seems my intuition that tac axe will rock on scum was correct

love to see my underdog weapon pop off

though I think with the recent rebalances it's solid in general?

[flint moss]

yeah any class with crit talents (e.g tox on crit) can run a solid taxe

i choose not to though

[opaque crown]

i feel a weird obligation to use the scum specific weapons at least for now

[silk sundial]

Using it with scrapper scum?

[brave otter]

I've been wanting to try tac axe
I recall it having a really appealing blessing selection

[fierce marten]

I've been using chain axe and combat knife on scum

Chain axe for crushers and combat knife for the full rending via not nerfed uncanny strike for Chem toxin Dots to go wild

[ionic tusk]

it's not the best but it's reliably good with any crit talents (esp those that boost crit chance)

[dawn totem]

Yeah, I've been worried that Abarties won't get as much weapons or be rebalanced in future updates.

[ionic tusk]

it's probably the most universally applicable weapon rn since arbites gets it

[ionic tusk]

I've been using combat blade almost purely for mobility on my 'ranged only' build
a lot of scenarios can be solved by sprinting out of the ball of enemies or flanking

[dawn totem]

Right now I'm trying to mix and match weapons with builds to see what works. Abarties seem to soar when dealing with mobs and with armored specialists. They're also really great at staggering almost anything

Right now I'm working on a shield maul/double barrel shot gun build.

[ionic tusk]

I think it's also benefited from the shift to m1 spam (ie, a lot of talents don't get better with heavy attacks and thus encourage you to just m1 as fast as possible, which is good on the tac axe)

[fierce marten]

I'm not sure what the best option for dealing with crusher packs without blitz are if you go Desperado route

Crowbar alt mode feels too sticky to be dealing with more than one

[ionic tusk]

I use rending desperado + rending stim on dual autopistols
not great but it works about as good as a mid-tier-at-anti-armor weapon (slightly better if both are active and there's other stuff to shoot to keep it going)

it seems to work fine with auric with an occasional boom bringer shot if my team isn't handling the crushers well or there's like, 6 of them and 6 bulwarks and I don't want to deal

[fierce marten]

Ah I was worried about that, not having stim effect up all the time makes it annoying if there's often crushers

And it seems the needle pistol doesn't proc vulture's mark unless my game is borked

[ionic tusk]

unless it was specifically allowed to it shouldn't

same with bonesaw chem kills

over the next few months I expect every single talent that has a kill trigger to be patched heheho

[fierce marten]

It's odd cause they patched it to work with blinders and Desperado

[ionic tusk]

yes

but remember this is fatshark
every single interaction will have to be reported one by one, they're not gonna remember others exist or go looking
(ie cooldown changes taking many patches)

[fierce marten]

I'll probably save those penaces for last then in hopes fs patches it

[ionic tusk]

imo vulture's dodge goes crazy with autopistols
'cause do you really count as a glass cannon if you spend 80% of the time immune to all attacks?

and the remaining 20% you have the reload DR active or are sprinting around

[fierce marten]

You're just really bad a killing crushers without the stim and/or Desperado

[tough compass]

it's fine, you'll basically die in one hit while you reload

[fierce marten]

Which crushers are the only enemy that can down you with vulture's dodge

I think maulers too

[ionic tusk]

do they bypass it??

[fierce marten]

Yea

[tough compass]

Yeah, crushers are the classes biggest weakspot

Is Vulture's Dodge all attacks or just range?

[ionic tusk]

I guess I haven't really noticed because I don't get close enough to crushers or maulers unless I'm meleeing to save ammo / nothing is active so I'm just combat blade stabbing the crusher for the same damage as the rest of my team

[ionic tusk]

all

[fierce marten]

They just instant kill you despite damage immunity except for if you have gold toughness

[ionic tusk]

I've gotten stuck in hordes a few times and just kept blasting

[fierce marten]

Yea it's all damage otherwise except for AoE effects

Like ground fire still hurts

[ionic tusk]

I don't think the situation with crushers is really that grim though
with uncanny combat blade you're not really slower than the average pub at killing a crusher
just really uncomfortable when doing it

[fierce marten]

If I play hive scum I very much hope a random is a vet

For the nade supply box, kraks, and weapons that can easily kill crushers

[ionic tusk]

and ultimately
if you're contributing an average amount at killing crushers
I don't think that's really a build flaw and more a lack of build strength

definitely not something I would want to do in havoc though 💀

no ammo melee scab only maels are fine tho because you tear through ragers and maulers and specialists (which is appreciated under no ammo) and there's still nade pickups

[silk sundial]

How many weapons have even been added post launch? And why would arbites be singled out as a problem?

[silk sundial]

Ogryns have time decent weapons for that like the pick

[fierce marten]

Well the vet supply crate providing nades is pretty great for hive scum who brings doombringer or chem nades

[fierce marten]

Also pickpocket procs with melee too

Youre just always fine on ammo

[tough compass]

Huh, weird. Does that include regular dodging? (I thought Vulture's Dodge was a Dodge state effect)

[ionic tusk]

I was more talking in the 'there's more crushers in this modifier' sense

[fierce marten]

Ah

[ionic tusk]

vulture's dodge is immunity, normal dodges aren't immune to melee

I've also panic blocked crushers/maulers in the past but I haven't done it recently so idk if that's still a thing

[fierce marten]

I dont think ive ever tried, i just know you can parry crushers

Oh wait hive scum gets devils claw

[ionic tusk]

I'm wondering if maybe gold toughness was involved and I didn't realize
each of the times I still took a ton of damage but decidedly less than my toughness bar so it didn't punch through

[fierce marten]

Actually my previous statement on crushers and vultures dodge might be wrong, I might be thinking of the melee slide immunity one, one of them youd expect to make you immune to crushers but it doesnt

Specifically the overhead, im leaning on slide since I recall something weird like crusher overhead is an technically an AoE not a melee

[tough compass]

Huh, I really thought normal dodges had iframes against melee attacks

[tough compass]

This is very fatshark lmao

[fierce marten]

I might as well test it now

[ionic tusk]

I think they have reduced hitboxes (I saw someone posting attack hitboxes in the modding discord earlier and they have 2 zones)

this, haven't checked it out yet
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/667

'Red lines mean areas where player would get hit even while dodging'

this seems to mostly just expose that the crusher and mauler hitboxes are dumb and don't really have a smaller "when dodging" hitbox

tho maybe the colors were inverted at that stage 🤔

[ionic tusk]

hm I think you might be right (or I'm getting really bad rng with my vulture's dodge)
immunity to the attacks to push you into overhead range do work though and that is really funny 'cause they keep trying to push you and failing

[fierce marten]

Ok I can confirmed you get downed with sliding melee immunity talent if a crusher overhead hits you

I just survived a crusher overhead with vultures dodge

[haughty ember]

Are crusher overheads a block or a dodge for most characters?

ogryn I've found that dodge is kind of a 50/50

[fierce marten]

Dodge mostly

Exceptions are like I think shield blocks and parry via devil claw or dueling sword

[ionic tusk]

I can also confirm (in vr training) gold toughness makes you magically able to block crusher overheads with 1 toughness remaining no matter how much blocking or toughness you have

[ionic tusk]

huh, guess I had really bad luck then

[ionic tusk]

have you been able to block them too? I can't seem to get it working in vr

I swear I've done it in the past

[fierce marten]

I dont think many of the hive scum gun get crits that much for permanent reliable upkeep on vultures dodge

At least the hive scum weapons, I should test the autoguns and shotguns

[ionic tusk]

the talents tho are a lot
and the fire rate rolls a lot of chances

[uneven turret]

what are yalls blessings on stub pistols

[ionic tusk]

base: 10%
float like a butterfly +20%
aura: +5%
small node: +5%
vulture's mark: +15% (you can get higher with dependency but then you can't take vulture's dodge)
crit stim: +15%
total= 20% to 70%

[clear ridge]

speedload, kicking run 'n' gun vs crucial roulette vs desperado back and forth

[silk sundial]

Imagine if they gave us a felinid class

[tough compass]

Would that be the all woman class

[sonic elbow]

I wonder how hypercritical works with chain weapon sawing, would be cool if it could speed up the stuck period

oh also hypercritical being in the ranged tree but only affecting melee is diabolical

I never would've caught that

[tough compass]

Hyperviolence works with ranged weapons though lmao

[clear ridge]

wait, hyper-critical is melee only?

[tough compass]

A claim I read is that it is a decent dip for ranged classes because it is a good increase to your melee without too much investment

Only Melee weapons Strike is the explanation (also someone filed a bug report and was told it was working as intended)

[clear ridge]

gross

i hate all the wording bullshit

[sonic elbow]

yeah scum can grab a bunch of talents that turn any melee decent as a single point dip from a ranged built

that part of the tree layout I like

no need to take the scenic route to un-pool noodle your melee

[silk sundial]

People expect sexy anime cattes but will instead get horrible freaks that become immediately beloved

[sonic elbow]

felinids the musical

[ionic tusk]

I heavily disagree because on ranged builds pickpocket procs are often more important than removing enemies and hyper critical only does something if it would steal a proc

I'd rather take 3x as long to kill an enemy than have it vanish without giving me more ammo when I desperately need it

it does make pathing easier tho because it's the central node in the ranged section that grants access to pickpocket vultures mark and weak spot damage though 😭

[fierce marten]

Hypercritical does not count as a kill

It just causes the enemy to instantly die but doesnt credit the kill to you if it died cause of hypercritical

[silk sundial]

Although honestly despite making it as a joke, it could work for a scout/sniper class to fill the role the rat lings do

[warped crown]

what's a good ranged weapon for zealot builds? i've been using a bolt pistol for a bit and i think it's ok

[cyan depot]

I like bolt pistol

It kinda depends on what your melee isn’t good at

Bolt pistol is good, lasgun is… ok, braced autoguns are good

Flamer is pretty conditional now

[warped crown]

i've been using an eviscerator
the bolt pistol is mostly for things i can't reach or shouldn't try to

[haughty ember]

revolver is nice and fast though it ends up competing with the bolt pistol

[clear ridge]

spearhead is my bread and butter

spearhead + thunder hammer

you look at things and they stop being things

v convenient

[ionic tusk]

I personally enjoy heavy laspistol for the sprint speed stat to pair with slower melee weapons + good at specialists and ranged elites if you spam it vaguely at the head without much ammo investment

[drowsy tusk]

Psyker las pistol is a fuckin banger it got the magic shoove

[worldly talon]

I have been having super bad luck with Damnation randos today

Mostly because every QP is on Atonement

And every fucking time one guy hits the altar and at least two other people just fuck off to the corners of the map to get killed by the incoming horde

[fierce marten]

I dont think you have to stay in one place to get the event points

You can just activate and go

[worldly talon]

I'm aware

It's less "they keep moving" and more "They immediately run in opposite directions to die out of coherency"

[fierce marten]

Behold smiling pox burster

[ionic tusk]

yeah quickplay is super rough right now for that reason

[cyan depot]

How much longer does Atonement last?

I don't have a working mouse right now and I'm curious if I'll have time to finish it haha

[spiral badger]

like 6 days

[fierce marten]

22nd?

It goes by pretty fast

If you survive the first shrine it seems to drop a lot of books worth a point then 2nd shrine larger books worth 10

[ionic tusk]

I have not seen them drop books 🤔 and I keep thinking maybe I'm doing the event wrong heheho

[fierce marten]

Oh bad wording they don't drop books but high quality books spawn more frequently for each atonement you do

[tough compass]

Oh, is that how it works. I don't think they explained it anywhere?

[fierce marten]

Unless it's a helluva coincidence they'll be fairly scarce if you just bum rush past them whereas doing every one near the end the books spawned are like all 10s

They didn't this is just anecdotal

[ionic tusk]

the shrines themselves also give 100 points each (?)

[fierce marten]

Seems so

[tough compass]

I thought it was do shrines get points and the other stuff was inscrutably random

[cyan depot]

Hmm I might have to do it mouseless

I'll find a way

[shrewd kite]

On what, a trackpad or something?

[ionic tusk]

communal pnet escort quest

or spam out malices with something that doesn't need as much aim

[fierce marten]

Taunt ogyrn, chorus zealot, shout vet

Full support

[cyan depot]

I'll scrounge up a spare

My mouse got RMA'd because the plastic started peeling?

[tough compass]

Anyone else find the different Hive Scum aura icons hard to tell a part at a glance? I feel like they don't all need the three people plus the icon that differentiates them

[slender shell]

In the grim dark future only space marines are allowed hrt

[ionic tusk]

they are awful yeah, hard to tell apart even when looking closely

[silk sundial]

Darktide feels like the first game ive played where weapon swap speed feels important

Shooter I mean

[fierce marten]

Makes a difference with like plasma gun and bolter

[brave otter]

As a Zealot I felt it with the lasgun too
I stick to pistols mostly as a result

[fierce marten]

It's why blades of faith never leave me side

Also cause of nade pickups

[silk sundial]

Enjoying lasgun and bolt gun on psyker

Pistols I mean

[marsh gyro]

full size Bolt gun on Psyker would be "Witness your BOOM!"

[thick rivet]

laspistol with force claymore scrier's is a stupid ass build it's great

[silk sundial]

Heavy stubber and club is what I’ve been using on my ogryn

Alongside box, taunt, forget the squad and lucky bullet

[flint moss]

laspistol make bad men hot on crit
scrier make many crit
bad men extra hot

[fierce marten]

Alcohol can also make bad men hot

[silk sundial]

Definitely want t try the straight chemist scum build eventually too

[silk sundial]

And flamers

Shane we don’t have hand flamers and plasma pistols yet

[spiral badger]

Plas pistol is hard because you'd need to find a niche for it compared to the plasma gun

Hand flamer the flamer has huge setup time so I can see a way

But plasma gun already has relatively good ease of use

I guess you could combine it with a plasma gun nerf in that regard

[ionic tusk]

it could have better mobility and/or be on a different class 🤔

[ionic tusk]

but yeah that'd probably be best

[spiral badger]

I think hadron would blow a circuit if asked to give plasma pistol to a ganger

[ionic tusk]

true
some of the ganger concept art did have hand flamers though which would be neat to have on both them and zealot 👀
I'm still holding out hope for more semi-exclusive weapons 🙏

[spiral badger]

Like handing one to a zealot is probably that scene where the zealot is pulling on it while hadron slowly forces herself to release her grip

[fierce marten]

I mean Hadron has to mod Shivs made by gangers

[tough compass]

Plasma pistol could have a much lower heat capacity (like maybe a full-charged shot?) while being much more nimble. Though it would also kind of be competing with the bolt pistol and stub revolver

[fierce marten]

And there's Branx Shivs

[tough compass]

Is the plasma gun still in the "too strong" category?

[flint moss]

simple heat treatment and sharpening compared to giving expensive tech to someone likely to break it

[ionic tusk]

imo competition within the pistol space is fine

there's already the bolt pistol/laspistol/stub revolver trinity with different use cases

and a plasma pistol probably would be class exclusive

[tough compass]

It would be tech heresy for anyone other than a tech-priest to modify your improvised shiv

[ionic tusk]

imo yeah

mainly because the charging downside is present but all the other guns have to aim/get other bonuses which effectively act as charging time anyways

[fierce marten]

Hadron already complains about working on our guns(that includes lasguns) and how it's beneath someone of her skill

[ionic tusk]

and LMB is crazy efficient

[tough compass]

Clearly the psyker should get a plasma pistol so they have two ways to explode

[spiral badger]

It is glitched right now though

It makes the game lag

[ionic tusk]

there's a mod for that!

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/666

[spiral badger]

Yeah there's a fix out but fair warning

[ionic tusk]

haven't tried it yet but plan to later today

it uh, spams debug log messages and makes your game stutter horribly

[tough compass]

It's at least a known issue so hopefully it gets fixed this week

[ionic tusk]

I think plasma gun is also dodging nerfs because if you use it the way it feels like it should be used it is mid and can kill you

[tough compass]

Most of the psyker weapons don't cause the psyker to explode at max perils right now apparently. This will also spam debug logs and eventually cause lag

[fierce marten]

Dueling sword parry does

[tough compass]

As in supercharging the shot?

[fierce marten]

Even if you're at max peril and parry

That hasn't been fixed yet

[ionic tusk]

yeah, the RMB fire is more conditional than the LMB fire and has many more downsides

[tough compass]

As in causes you to explode?

[fierce marten]

Yea

[spiral badger]

Oh, that explains the weird explosion i had earlier..

[ionic tusk]

ie takes significantly longer, generates more heat, costs a lot more ammo, and can make you explode, for the main benefit of more cleave (which is good but makes it not something you'd use most of the time in lower difficulties)

[spiral badger]

I coulda sworn I didnt do anything

[fierce marten]

It is not supposed to do that, fs forum support noted it's not intended behavior

It's just supposed to be a normal parry if you're at max so you don't pop your head

[tough compass]

That is hilarious but not great. Do psykers get an extra-special parry or does it just cause peril as a class-specific cost?

[cyan depot]

Special parry

[fierce marten]

It deals greatly more damage but costs 4% peril

[tough compass]

Psykers just love getting extra bonuses on random weapons

[fierce marten]

Before the crusher buff you could like 2-3 shot a crusher but not sure about not now

[tough compass]

Is there anything besides the Devil Claw Sword and Laspistol that has this property for multi-class weapons?

[ionic tusk]

hm apparently RMB plasma gun is doing the same thing (just tested it)

stealth buff to RMB because you can keep firing it at 100% heat without having to play any venting animations like LMB

tho I am trying it in vr with the no lag mod so I'll have to see if that still happens in a serverside game

[tough compass]

They might use the same code, so it wouldn't be surprising if they have the same bug in the same way

[cyan depot]

They do use basically the same code

I’m not sure if they fixed it but for a long time you could complete psyker kill with death bomb penances with plasma gun

[ionic tusk]

"don't need fancy powers to make a difference blow yourself up"

[cyan depot]

It was actually easier iirc since plasgun deathbomb does more damage

[brave otter]

Oooo, knowing dueling sword has a special parry on psyker makes me contemplate making one
I mean, I'm not great at landing them on zealot but love the rest of the weapon

[fierce marten]

Works similar to devil claw but I'd say it's real generous

Just not as spammable

You can say against a monstrosity or Ronin just hold block then middle click to parry while holding block so there's no vulnerable time when you have stamina

If you know boss patterns just heavy poke during pauses to regain stamina

Really useful again plague Ogryn hit combo, 1st 2 hits of chaos spawn, and daemonhost barrages

[ionic tusk]

imo it also feels better on vet and psyker right now since they have more tools to make it good at hordeclear/use other stuff forever for hordeclear + better finesse damage boosts

[silk sundial]

Some necromunda hangers have them

[brave otter]

I've been loving it on Zealot but also am not doing/honestly don't plan on doing the whole Crush Your Nuts Hard Mode

I just wish the strikedown variant hit a little harder against armor
I prefer overheads to stabs for headshot stuff

A dedicated anti armor parry weapon would go so hard.......

[drowsy vine]

duelling sword lol

[worldly talon]

Depending on the Gang, a lot of Necromunda stuff would either give teh tech priests an aneurysm or have the ganger have an unfortunate airlock accident so the tech priest can nick their stuff

Like most of the Van Saar options

That being said given you can already get the Omnissiah's blessing to stuff like a latrine shovel, a club made out of scrap metal, or a literal sharpened scissor blade

I don't think bestowing it upon a Cawdor-style rusty-ass jury-rigged crossbow is out of the real of possibility

[brave otter]

This is true but you know what I mean
A Weapon That Doesn't Bounce Off With Light Attacks

Chainaxe my beloved.............

[worldly talon]

I'm still trying to find a good Chainaxe blessing spread

[ionic tusk]

heavy attacks are supposed to be the dedicated anti armor attack but then there's tac axe with a worse armor modifier on the heavies, it bounces on lights more than the dueling sword does

[worldly talon]

IDK what it really works for, because I never use it

[clear ridge]

i feel like the bleed is too good to pass up on

[worldly talon]

It SEEMS like it'd be good at chewing through armor

But IDK if it actually is

The chainsword i just went full cleave on and it's hilariously good with CC Scum

[silk sundial]

Cawdor improvised guardian spear woukd be fun

[worldly talon]

I have no idea how they'd implement it

But i still want exterminator cartridges for zealot

[silk sundial]

Probably like the grenade gauntlet

[frank igloo]

https://youtu.be/PsvDFFqM_8M

[fierce marten]

It doesnt if you take uncanny strike

Straight up ignores armor at 5 stacks and its just weakspot hits that are easy to get

[ionic tusk]

before the dueling sword parry change they also had better armor damage on their heavies without uncanny strike, but now uncanny strike is kind of needed to do that

[fierce marten]

It is pretty much the weapon if you want this

[brave otter]

Noted.......

[silk sundial]

A power saw weapon woukd also be very fun

[brave otter]

Yeeeeee, I was aware that Dueling Sword can be built to chew through pretty much everything
Rather it would be cool to have one that is that way from like, step one
Like chain axe (or combat axe, alt crowbar, etc)

[ionic tusk]

it used to be like that but it got nerfed is what I'm saying

I used to run no-uncanny dueling sword on zealot

[marsh gyro]

Yeah 3500 HP crushers you could still poke through decent at 700-1000 HP a stab and now 6500 HP crushers take a bit more rending

[ionic tusk]

iirc it's not just that, the dueling sword also does less armor damage (but this is totally undone when you have rending)

[cyan depot]

How recent is that change?

[ionic tusk]

when veteran, psyker, and zealot got reworked iirc the crusher hp values changed

[marsh gyro]

September 2025, when the havoc season with rotten armor and stims rotated in

Power Falchion / Bound by Duty update

[cyan depot]

Ah that explains why all my melee weapons felt like nerf bats vs them when I came back

[marsh gyro]

Yeah not only did they bump up crushers but the whole scab line of folks got like a 33% bump

[worldly talon]

Tak-ti-cal Ess-pee-on-adge Ogryn, Sah

[marsh gyro]

Metal Brunt Special: Ration Eater

[silk sundial]

My ogryn has the same tattoos

[tough compass]

Apparently the point blank explosion blessing on the bolt pistol also applies its explosion radius buff to any explosive you you, regardless of if you have it out of not

[fierce marten]

Yup nice for nades and say doomringer

[sonic elbow]

bolt pistol has been a mainstay of grenade printer vets for that reason

also - explosive radius talent on ogryn affects power maul melee blast

[opaque crown]

The splodo maul is so fun

[dawn wolf]

Somehow i've managed my way into havoc with a knife and an infantry autogun

[opaque crown]

Both are excellent to be fair

[drowsy tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs-gif-18567655

[ionic tusk]

hotfix

[crystal sluice]

oh was the burster buff not intentional

[clear ridge]

ye

it was hitbox disjoint bullshit

[crystal sluice]

oh lol

i thought it was kinda exciting 😭

[flint moss]

yippee i will no longer be trown to my death by an explosion grazing my finger

[ionic tusk]

imo it made it better to shoot bursters than push them when combined with the bug from previous patches where they bounce weird

which is hilarious because hive scum tell you to push them instead of shoot like all the other characters

[spiral badger]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1pn7xsn/so_this_a_thing_now_after_this_hotfix_lol/

whoops

[flint moss]

good thing we got the heavy to shout I AM BULLETPROOF

[soft summit]

Hive Scum vs Aeldari, who's more agile

[spiral badger]

it actually works on all non-ogryns

[soft summit]

nice

[ionic tusk]

apparently they were trying to make +dodge distance stuff not negatively impact ability to dodge (since you would ram into a wall and lose your iframes faster with only the linger benefit) so they made the dodge linger also immune to ranged which results in.... that

[tough compass]

dodges go into the negative and become less efficient dodges, but you can still dodge essentially infinitely

huh

[ionic tusk]

yeag when you stop dodging you get stuck for a bit though

I think other classes (and other weapons) running out is more noticeable also, you start moving at walking speed ish after a while? 🤔

[sonic elbow]

at -3 dodges dodging is just baby steps with flair

[marsh gyro]

Looks like from the comments/Fatshark Forums the fix for this is scheduled late January so super dodges for Warhamster holidays gifts

[worldly talon]

Has anybody esle been geeting stupid amounts of lag recently?

I was going to blame Cox but it always seem to just specifically be Darktide

Even Arma is running smoothly and that's something that never happens

Even in the ship I'm rubberbanding all over the place

[marsh gyro]

For a minute when the pysker explosions were bugged that was causing match lag due to the debug logs and that's patched in today's hotfix; are you getting the match lag this evening?

[worldly talon]

No, I'm playing a zealot

And it's just like

Constant every time there's more than one enemy on the screen

[warped crown]

it's not happening to me

[worldly talon]

Like to the level of having to click three times to get the double-barrel to actually go off even though it plays the sound effect every time

[worldly talon]

You know what's never going to happen

But what I super wish we get as a cosmetic set

[gentle flame]

Found an old screenshot

[flint moss]

the rest of the fit checks out, but the eldar chainsword is not making it in

[drowsy tusk]

Yessssss the best tide screenshot

[tough compass]

I had a fun bug where there were four players plus a bot

[fierce marten]

Then the game starts and it's 4 players
bot someone dies during a loading screen that's how bad they are

[drowsy tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/tunti35-pain-painkiller-stickmanpain-tunay-gif-22123906

[fierce marten]

Aw yea explosion hit detection is fix!