dark tidings (Darktide for people in the searchbar)

[heavy geyser]

Laspistol is a fine gun buut I find I need it to be ASAP, I'm pretty quick so the bolt pistol suits my needs.

The new mark is actually really helpful, for a while I was in the position of "this gun is perfect for my exact needs, and that's why I need to find a different gun" and I tried all kinds of substitutes.

[ionic tusk]

I just had that experience trying to make revolver work on arbites lmao
before going 'wait they have bolt pistol'

[heavy geyser]

One use case for my needs is swapping off Relic Blade when it's hot so I can avoid lockout without needing to get the power down animation, so a gun that can also handle people being in sword range is handy.

I tried the double barrel a little bit for this, but I think the scab health buffs hurt its damage thresholds, it felt like it couldn't kill when I needed it to.

The new bolt pistol mark with the bigger blast radius is actually double-perfect for my exact needs, since it both one-shots snipers and also brawls well with a horde

Anoint in Blood, the Zealot gun damage talent, has a big impact on the splash damage

So it plays like a rocket launcher in a crowd, it's exactly what I needed even moreso than the original mark.

I found this out in the lab, look how far apart the horde guys are when they explode

It can proc teammate compliments just shooting into crowds

But it also one-shots snipers.

I'll still run the Laspistol, it's genuinely fun and I adore it.

But just trying all kinds of things helped me refine my build a lot.

I had a similar instance with the Relic Blade, which I was talking about 100000 posts up. I started out with Cranial Grounding / Heat Sink because I wanted maximum uptime, buut then I tried other things to see what else I couuld get, and that's how I found the Heat Sink/Overload combo.

I was a little bummed out to find that, oh, the best uptime is actually "no heat management at all"

But then I circled back around and realized that if you use the new Zealot talent that gives 5s attack speed up on push, then a push > light (x4) combo can set up four stacks of Cranial Grounding before you turn it on really fast, so if you do manage heat and use that push speed talent, you can get even better uptimes on Cranial Grounding / Heatsink, the setup I started with that I didn't really understand how to get the most out of.

It ends up making powered off state a lot more useful

Or still able to get fast kills on headchop with Cranial Grounding finesse stacks cooking.

Have starting thing > try many new things > go back to original thing with a better idea how to use it.

This game is so much fun.

[sacred pagoda]

Wtf even is finesse?

[marsh gyro]

If it's a stat on the gun you can mouse over it, if it's just the keyword it relates to weak spot damage and crit damage (it used to be both weak spot and crit damage and that changed because of double dipping)
edit: fixed after more research!

[flint moss]

finesse the stat still sometimes affects crit damage, "finesse damage" from talents and blessings is basically improved weak spot damage

[ionic tusk]

wait really? huh

didn't realize they changed it

[ionic tusk]

on melee weapons it's basically always crit damage and weakspot damage yeag, and also attack speed

[ionic tusk]

so does that mean there isn't a difference between weak spot damage and finesse damage now????

[marsh gyro]

Correct, to my knowledge I can't tell a difference

[ionic tusk]

when did it change?

because this was a few patches ago

[marsh gyro]

Dang it, that Duelist patch note is the one I'm thinking of about the double dipping, I'll walk back my prior comment

An in-game glossary sure would help moments like this

[ionic tusk]

heheho yeag when you said that I immediately thought you might have gotten it confused

[ionic tusk]

and for sure

nothing is ever defined

oop sorry, ping

[sacred pagoda]

It’s almost as bad as MonHun games for not explaining what fucking anything is or does.

[ionic tusk]

I do have no idea if it's a flat +50% damage boost or if it's a +50% on the weakspot/critical damage

[marsh gyro]

The validation for crits including finesse is finesse_boost_amount = finesse_boost_amount + crit_boost_amount in scripts/utilities/attack/damage_calculation.lua

[ionic tusk]

since afaik weapons have the same crit and weakspot bonus so it could just be a +50% on one of them

[sacred pagoda]

If you have to get this far into a game’s guts to figure out what a stat does, it’s bad design.

[marsh gyro]

It's similar to when they just didn't explain what the heck Strength is (it was called Power)
edit: corrected the timeline

[ionic tusk]

isn't strength still in the game?

I think fatshark is just allergic to writing text

[sacred pagoda]

Also I feel like Darktide just has too many stats. How many things do you need to modify crit damage?

[ionic tusk]

like the '3 different ways to say coherency aura radius' fiasco

[marsh gyro]

D'oh this is what I mean, it's now Strength and it used to be Power

[ionic tusk]

tbh I get the point of finesse
it's when you want something to be good at crits or weakspot hits but not stack insanely if you do both

and that's the only modifier other than plain crit damage I'm p sure

[sacred pagoda]

I’m just using it as an example.

[ionic tusk]

also some ingame text is just wrong I think

iirc ingame this says it's up to +8% strength

tho it's token based and doesn't say

[marsh gyro]

Yeah that's one where it's 8% per stack, up to 5 stacks

[ionic tusk]

yeah but if you read the description it doesn't say anything about stacks
it says "up to 8%", not "8% per stack up to 5 stacks" or "up to 40%"

[sacred pagoda]

This is why I just ask you guys what to put where usually.

I don’t need an explanation, I just need to know what kills enemies the fastest.

[marsh gyro]

That's why there's so many words about Darktide, there's a tons of ways to all arrive at about the fastest way to kill, it's mostly about picking what your play style is since it's all pretty close in performance on Auric and skewed a bit towards carapace and monsters on Havoc

[ionic tusk]

havoc also completely kills a ton of playstyles with the hitmass changes

and makes ammo tight playstyles unplayable

[sacred pagoda]

So I ask you guys because it seems like you actually enjoy the granularity of the game’s systems and all I want to know is “How do I make this ball of Crushers go away?”

[ionic tusk]

what class

[sacred pagoda]

Veteran at the moment.

[ionic tusk]

dueling sword or kraks

[sacred pagoda]

I mostly yell at them.

[ionic tusk]

or shredders

[marsh gyro]

20 crushers with rotten armor and stims, just gotta keep swinging with a bit of brittleness if you can, chain axe or power weapons do about as good as it gets if you're not using uncanny dueling sword

[sacred pagoda]

I’m using a power falchion right now but I might go back to the chain axe once I’ve finished mastering the falchion.

[marsh gyro]

Yeah the power falchion does about 1k damage per swing to carapace which takes a moment when high havoc crushers have 8000+ per crusher, though the power property lets it hit multiple crushers

Auric crushers have 6500 HP each which a krak with the talent busts good and is gonna take a bit of work with just about anything else

[ionic tusk]

also do you have skirmisher
it is probably the most busted damage talent right now

[sacred pagoda]

Doesn’t help that they send a gorillion crushers at all times.

[ionic tusk]

adding it to the growing list of "if you have this talent it's like you're playing a different game"

[sacred pagoda]

Last night I had one run where there was like four crushers and about a dozen maulers and behind them was I shit you not four snipers all at the same time, it was a nightmare.

[marsh gyro]

Where did the Moebian 6th even find all these Ogryns

[sacred pagoda]

We didn’t survive.

[heavy geyser]

There is a build for the Falchion that can one-shot most enemies, if you run Decapitator + Cranial Grounding blessings and take 30% Weakspot damage talent you can become the headsman of Atoma and enjoy enormous damage spikes on headchop.

[sacred pagoda]

I miss when they would send like at most two crushers and they were tough as nails and basically a mini boss.

I seem to remember that being a thing.

[ionic tusk]

do you run kraks or shredders?

[sacred pagoda]

Krak.

[ionic tusk]

also on a semi related note I think something might be fucked with the director, I'm seeing squads of specials even outside of shock gauntlet (tho rarely)
snipers I can get because their ai makes them stockpile, but it's been bombers, trappers, etc appearing in groups of 4

[marsh gyro]

There's caps on the numbers of disablers that can be active based on the number of alive players, and extra disablers spawn when folks are way out of coherency, so I'm thinking in that case it's possible a strike group got spawned and a lonely trapper got spawned

[ionic tusk]

are strike groups the same 3 specialists? even outside of shock gauntlet?

[ionic tusk]

also, a tangent to the tangent heheho

extra disablers spawn when folks are way out of coherency
I think the bug where that switch can get stuck in the 'on' position after a death/leave is still present

[marsh gyro]

Strike groups will spawn like 5-7 specialists, and each category has individual caps; the one below is for non-Havocs

    chaos_beast_of_nurgle = 1,
    chaos_hound = 2,
    chaos_plague_ogryn = 2,
    chaos_poxwalker_bomber = 3,
    chaos_spawn = 2,
    cultist_flamer = 2,
    cultist_grenadier = 2,
    cultist_mutant = 4,
    flamer = 2,
    grenadier = 3,
    renegade_flamer = 2,
    renegade_grenadier = 2,
    renegade_netgunner = 2,
    renegade_sniper = 3,```

Most of my knowledge on the subject is fuzzy because I learned about it in this reddit post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1mf1osk/the_specials_of_darktide_and_their_inner_workings/
and the rest from reading scripts/managers/pacing and the subfolders therein

[ionic tusk]

I was today days old when I learned surges are a thing
everyone I've been playing with just blamed it on being in a bad spot that makes the director go wild

I got surged as a solo yesterday haha
and it makes sense with the rest of it, there weren't many disablers in the neverending stream of specialists guarding the rescue point, because they have their cap

🤔 imagine if surges had a vox broadcast when they triggered

[marsh gyro]

Yeah kinda like the vox yelling at you at the bridge hold halfway through the water cartel mission

[frank igloo]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1p6m31h/new_hive_scum_cosmetic_showcase_from_fs_instagram/?

[quiet escarp]

I'm glad to see they're putting out a number of cosmetics for Scum right away, including many as penance rewards, but it does make me very curious about the lack of Arbites ones

I wonder why GW is so tight fisted with regards to them specifically

[cyan depot]

I’m not sure

I think it’s notable that the cosmetics we got are everything in the new arbites kit

Some in red

But it’s weird how there’s not even recolors and it’s only the contents of the kit

I’d dig some early 40K stylings for them and such

If I had to guess

They’re being very conservative because arbites started life as naked judge dredd ripoffs

And they only want stuff which is definitively there’s appearing

[slender shell]

Im guessing those are default/earnable ones and all the specific necromunda gangs will be cosmetic shop

More trenches!

[shrewd kite]

the fleur-de-lis pattern on one leg and leopard print on the other is a pretty good fit

[drowsy tusk]

<@&1042950387478560878> play darktide?

[flint moss]

sorry im saving my Darkside Dopamine Sensitivity (DDS) for the hive scum release

[fierce marten]

I am playing helldivers 2 until hive scum releases then I no life it for some months

[flint moss]

plumbing‼️

[cyan depot]

ooh I love that fucked up tube arm

[sacred pagoda]

Giant Inquisition belt buckle.

[ionic tusk]

current auric feels so weird
ime half the games you have to solo carry for at least a few minutes and the other half you could go afk and the remaining 3 wouldn't even care and blow past everything

although I am definitely biased by being part of the every lobby I see, it still feels super swingy
and I can't tell if that's a playerbase change or a change in auric itself, since the floor of auric didn't really change but the ceiling got a lot higher (double hi intensity, crusher changes)

what has everyone been experiencing in quickplay auric?

[cyan depot]

IME auric and auric maelstrom has always been pretty swingy

Sometimes the enemy director just goes sicko mode

And having teammates who know their team role well makes such a difference for smoothness

[ionic tusk]

yeag, fair

[ionic tusk]

with specialists, elites, or what?

[cyan depot]

Kind of just a lot of things happening at once?

[opaque crown]

sometimes the director be on demon time

and orchestrates hte perfect storm

Most auric games im in generally are smooth sailing until the storm hits and enough things go wrong at once that its unrecoverable

like a dude getting exploded off the side of the map coinciding with someone else getting netted into a flamer and a dog getting another, and the last guy getting stealth overheaded by a secret crusher

[fierce marten]

Or chaos spawn right at the elevator door followed by bursters

[fierce marten]

Oof that last one is me, I try to do a rez in stealth then a crusher just downs me by accident trying to kill my downed teammate when my until death is off cooldown

Or getting netted in stealth cause the trapper just fired at your teammate and you were vaguely in the direction and caught you instead

[ionic tusk]

this activated a primal memory of all the times I had runs die after the dark communion elevator in havoc with a boss spawn

[fierce marten]

Ironically the most numerous boss spawns ive seen at an elevator is in auric.
Beast of Nurgle event and elevator started with a pack of crushers practically hugging the door and body blocked us, then just when we killed a few so we can sprint by while the other zealot was chorusing a beast of nurgle spawn and body blocked us again followed by several more when previous died with occasional bursters. I am certain we only didnt lose right there cause it was me and another zealot with prenerfed chorus and a vet with shout and shredders

[opaque crown]

i think the most incidental funny in the game is the massive rube goldberg death machines

where you like get thrown by an explosion into a charger who throws you into a net and then a flamer and a burster wombo combo your netted self

stuff like that

where you just throw your hands up and laugh

[fierce marten]

My favorite wombo wombo is netted by trapper into a mutant charging me right after being freed and throw me into another mutant charging at a teammate then that one throwing right against a daemonhost and triggering it

2 of the randos on my team said "wtf lol"

[marsh gyro]

I like the ones where the mutant throws you into the Sniper shot who tags you mid air

[fierce marten]

MGL sniper right there with the trick shot

[clear ridge]

I've gotten burster chain-juggled into witches or off ledges so many times lol

[ionic tusk]

I was in a havoc group and we must have had like 9 total games fail over the course of a week just from a boss spawning after the elevator and pulling all the elites on the bridge past the bridge we were on before we even left the elevator area

it happened 90% of games that got to that point in the mission heheho

[fierce marten]

Its been a while since I havoced but have theyve fixed daemonhost spawning in range of daemonhost rituals

[ionic tusk]

no idea

but the rituals themselves often spawn in dumb spots where my teams only get survive because someone knows where they can spawn from previous games and solo rushes into some obtuse corner when the team leader asks where it is lmao

and they can still get triggered to fast progress at really odd times

[fierce marten]

A think that really irked me was when a daemonhost spawned within range of a ritual so stopping the ritual means itll trigger the nonritual daemonhost. Or we let the ritual end so we deal with only one

[ionic tusk]

pain

the current havoc modifiers are really dumb
rotten armor, stims, aoe heal, and rituals

[fierce marten]

AoE heal put me off havoc already since its barely visible in a horde then rotten armor increasing HP made me nope

[ionic tusk]

honestly I can't tell when aoe heal is a thing because I can't tell what's going on outside of "this thing is trying to kill me and I am trying to kill it and it's 6 friends"

and I just assume a friend took it's place instead of it being healed

the endless wall of crushers has a multitude

it does probably ruin all my on death procs tho 🤔

[fierce marten]

Gameplay from YouTube
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/tasLGWMutq

Damn that dodge range is wild
The rocket AoE was a lot smaller than I expected

It's like smaller than a shredder

Despite the mushroom cloud

[shrewd kite]

it might be a single target/anti armour variant of the shredder

the gameplay in the preview vid wasn't, uh, particularly impressive in terms of player skill so i wouldn't be surprised if it was just grabbed super quick for a teaser

i like the doomguy helmet

[fierce marten]

Wdym I fire semi auto guns into walkers all the time

[tough compass]

My mind has trouble accepting those pistols as belonging in the 40k universe

[drowsy vine]

they're just autostubs

plenty of precedent for em

[heavy geyser]

They're showing off the weapons, not real gameplay.

[shrewd kite]

it is funny how they just look like colts

[cyan depot]

Lore accurate

Bonus Darktide axe

[heavy geyser]

did someone call for a webgun??

[drowsy vine]

#mylorecompliance

[heavy geyser]

I'm amazed to learn trappers are canon.

[cyan depot]

Darktide is such a love letter to the setting

It’s wild to me how many map details are lifted from terrain sets

Or cosmetics from a random model

Or etc

It’s very cool

[shrewd kite]

especially the actually-cool parts of the setting, which is a breath of fresh air after space marine honestly

[uneven turret]

who buying the new dlc for tide dark

[drowsy tusk]

Me am, me very am

[uneven turret]

yeah same, cant wait for the dual wield stuff in particular

[tough compass]

Is there a (rough) release date yet?

[drowsy tusk]

December 2nd I believe

[opaque crown]

I plan on it

[fierce marten]

Stubguns are real prevelant in 40k just not shown

We got a stub revolver in darktide

Autoguns

Lasguns are often seen as superior for large scale combat but stub weapons have a big benefit of being easy to produce so any backwater planet or underhive group can make a stub weapon in complete secrecy without any external aid from ad mech

[fierce marten]

Everything in the game uses direct inspiration from the tabletop

As cyan said it very much is a love letter and the design is incredibly lore accurate

Not even direct inspiration mostly every weapon is just straight up copied from the tabletop in design but the stats video gamified

[drowsy tusk]

Clearly you haven’t experienced the joy of playing necromunda against a delaque player who has spent all their credits on web guns lol

[tough compass]

I'm fine with pistols existing. They just look too normal for 40k lol. Compare the pistol to the shotgun (and other weapons) in those images

[uneven turret]

only thing im confused by after reading the dev blogs are the stimms
will i be able to heal on the cartel special

[cyan depot]

Yeah the anachronistically normal colt .45 is honestly really funny for 40K

[fierce marten]

Unless you go way back to like Rogue Trader and first few editions, a lot of stuff was like, barely legally distinct things

[flint moss]

possibly, but i think it would be in a very limited capacity

[fierce marten]

A lot of normal things do exist in 40k, it just is never shown as it's not interesting to many writers.

[tough compass]

My brain can apparently accept using a perfectly normal crowbar as a weapon in 40k but recoils at a Colt .45 lmao

[worldly talon]

Needs to have a skull on the slide

Then it fits

Turn the cocking serrations into gothic arches

[drowsy tusk]

It looks like a styer hahn and mars automatic and maybe a browning 1901 all mashed together I enjoy

[fierce marten]

My question is how the reload animation would look like with dual pistols

[tough compass]

They tease the start of the reload animation in the video linked above (the clips fall out), but don't show the rest

[fierce marten]

It'd be funny if they didn't and just grab 2 more loaded pistols

[tough compass]

I really want that to be the case too lol

[fierce marten]

Unload mags, throw away pistols , grab new loaded pistols

[tough compass]

"why do you unload the mags?" "Habit"

[fierce marten]

A ganger would do the mag eject just to cause extra problems for everyone else

Double the littering

[drowsy tusk]

New York reload

[spiral badger]

Honestly I would kill for a weapon where on running out of ammo you just hucked the thing at the enemy

Brain a rager with a 1911 traveling at baseball pitch speed because you're on Hella drugs

[fierce marten]

I'd want that for a flintock

Single shot that does good damage, thrown gun deals little damage but high stagger

Bully a gunner by throwing guns at its face

If hive scum then of course dual wield

[ionic tusk]

multishot gun and the weapon special is you throwing the gun and if it has any shots left it makes an explosion that scales with the bullets in the gun

[clear ridge]

i want a shotgun with an underbarrel shotgun

[ionic tusk]

are there even any guns with underbarrels
the closest we have is probably the arbites shotgun's special shells

underbarrels would be great tho 🙏

[fierce marten]

Shotgun that has an underbarrel but also overbarrel and side barrels

[clear ridge]

...now i actually want just a regular vet/zealot weapon that's a regular las with an underbarrel shotgun

longlas with a shotgun

[fierce marten]

Imagine a combi bolter with grenade launcher

[clear ridge]

hot

[shrewd kite]

standard dual weapon reload is just 'lower the weapons off the screen, and then don't worry about it'

in most games that is

[cyan depot]

Like bolter, plasma, grenade?

[drowsy tusk]

Boltgun with underbarrel grenade launcher is a weapon option for house orlock in necromunda

[fierce marten]

Its also a weapon in SM2

[fierce marten]

You can see others reload in darktide right?

Itd be funny if you see a hive scum just lowers their weapon to their side and just bring it back up to reload it

[opaque crown]

Game should be brave, let an ogryn only have one magazine for the ripper and nade gauntlet, and let them be more serious melee weapons as well

[slender shell]

Should be getting early preview gameplay today right?

[uneven turret]

mayhaps

[ionic tusk]

wasn't expecting modders to provide this but now they have lmao
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/572

[uneven turret]

holy crap this might be the best mod

[ionic tusk]

I think this is by the same guy who did the version that puts the descriptions in the text

[slender shell]

Ah found it embargo ends in a bit less than 2 hours (when the video goes live) https://youtu.be/O16jW6uyXeA?si=UnvxtovNX7pf10O7

[slender shell]

Ok watched it, this is basically the definitive video on the new class

[cyan depot]

Ok cool

Any standout details?

[signal locust]

how does dual wielding work

Are there just specific dualies or can you equip two guns

[fierce marten]

Seems like it

I have to wait days and coping with the content creators previewing the launch trees

[clear ridge]

seems like which?

[fierce marten]

Specific weapons are duallies

[slender shell]

The uzis and pistols are the only dual wield weapons

[fierce marten]

Shivs too

[slender shell]

Oh yeah true

[slender shell]

Desperado (the gun skill) lasts an insane amount of time, shivs have throwing knives as its alt attack that recharge on melee attack/kill, and a node that adds 5 stacks of toxin to your blitz is very good damage especially comboed with the stun nades

[fierce marten]

Yooo throwing knife on melee!

[slender shell]

The customizable stims are just straight forwards buffs you would expect, good but nothing cool

[fierce marten]

Im currently watchinig a vid from mister E and it seems interesting its a dodge glass cannon and toughness talents arent easy to get with like say zealot

[slender shell]

Oh and the placeable healing crate doesn't heal but removes 40 corruption overtime and then gives the team your stimm buffs

[cyan depot]

sigh im seated

This is cool sounding

[fierce marten]

We got gun psyker veteran /s

It is though very up my ally still

[slender shell]

Oh some of the ammo regen talents are pretty interesting, on elite kills you refill to 20% of your ammo if you have less than that

Also admech class totally confirmed lol

[fierce marten]

Its interesting cause one of the talents at the top is 50% threat reduction on dodge

Also yoooo you can reselect blitz by right clicking without setting trees by default now

You can do that with mods but good for console players and moddless PC players

[ionic tusk]

hope that doesn't break the mod since that mod can do that with a lot more nodes than just blitz nodes heheho

[fierce marten]

That toxin grenade seems monsterous, basically ground fire but does strong damage but it enemies that die to it explode to do damage and spread the effect

Oh im betting most mods wont work on launch

[cyan depot]

Real real real

[fierce marten]

Melee immunity during slide talent seems interesting, im sure I will never mess that up and get killed by a crusher/mauler

Also stamina regen seems wild, its delay seems shorter than psyker

[sonic elbow]

first video of the class from chocoB of all people

the literal opposite of the twitter clip gameplay

perfectly balanced

[clear ridge]

?

[fierce marten]

Ooooo damn blessed stims talent clears corruptions up to 50%, not just from current wound up to that 50% mark

[clear ridge]

i don't watch content creators, why are those two clips opposite?

[fierce marten]

It looks like Hive Scum is the actual gun class

[sonic elbow]

choco is the ultra nightmare spicy cursed deathwish+++ mod solo runner

[fierce marten]

Its got insane ammo talents and just could actually use nothing but dual autoshredder spam constantly and be fine on ammo without using a melee weapon if you spec into it

[uneven turret]

needle pistol? nice didnt see that in any of the dev posts

[slender shell]

There were some sneak peaks fatshark posted that was just baffling gameplay

[fierce marten]

The one where the needle pistol was shown shooting a random poxwalker

Good crowbar gameplay teaser

[fierce marten]

It was in the dev posts, just briefly mentioned like othe rweapons

[spiral badger]

needle pistol pierces all armor and poisons

looks like they got the good needler but shitty toxin

which is fair

[uneven turret]

mustve missed it then

[fierce marten]

The hive temu needler

[spiral badger]

nah it's homebrew toxin instead of the insanely deadly neurotoxin that's supposed to be in them

also you are, in fairness, shooting nurglites

[uneven turret]

sounds awesome tbh, armor piercing is something i could use

[spiral badger]

who probably have been poisoned the whole time

[fierce marten]

That is fair

Im surprised poison would work at all on nurgle infested outside of like virus bombs

[spiral badger]

special hive ganger trick poison

[cyan depot]

Good modeling for it imo

Oh hey partially on screen double pistol reload

[uneven turret]

rah i need my hands on those stub pistols

[fierce marten]

I was interested in going all in for shivs but seeing more of the talents I think I want to go all in on dual autoshredders and just go guns blazing and not touch melee

[sonic elbow]

executioner stance vets (me) crying, gnashing their teeth at desperado

[tough compass]

Desperado giving immunity to ranged attacks while the length increasing with short-ranged kills seems pretty wild. I'm surprised that the melee ability has a soft cap and a downside after it is done by comparison

[fierce marten]

Also it gives makes reloads not cost ammo from the reserves

And no sprint stamina cost

[uneven turret]

and ill probably take an non-class unique melee

[cyan depot]

I think it's funny that the Crowbar is explicitly stolen

[fierce marten]

Thats pretty funny out of every weapon they have

[uneven turret]

fits the class

[fierce marten]

Implies other weapons are either homemade or legitably bought on the underhive black market

[tough compass]

Stimm supply is surprising to me because I would not have expected them to add that easy/straightforward of a heal

[slender shell]

I wasnt able to tell what the saws special was, it's normal is already toxin and the special purple goo didnt seem to have a dot?

[spiral badger]

allegedly they hotnerfed desperado

[fierce marten]

Its only corruption heal but still very strong since its corruption immunity too

[tough compass]

Brings up some questions about Hadron willing to work on them lol. Maybe she has special dialog

[spiral badger]

no more ranged immunity

which.... seems fair

[fierce marten]

Not even released and already nerfed

[uneven turret]

the auto shredders look pretty standard made, possibly not homemade question mark

[cyan depot]

I could buy that it seemed too much in the vid

[tough compass]

Oh, not regular healing too? Ok that makes sense

[cyan depot]

I expected it to last much less time

[fierce marten]

It doesnt work with base stims so no green stims AoE healing

But it has no wound restriction

Theorhetically with medkit combined itd heal your entire team fully

[cyan depot]

oh it looks sick

[uneven turret]

looks like a power drill but i aint complaining

[tough compass]

I like how the gauntlets have hazard stripes

[fierce marten]

I love the what looks like tied up rubber bands on the mag

[uneven turret]

where the gauntlets at in the video
do you have a timestamp

[tough compass]

Also that the "improvised shivs" have marks lmao

[cyan depot]

12 minutes or so

[uneven turret]

theres no one way to build a shiv

[tough compass]

It's tech-heresy to not improvise your shiv via a known specification

[fierce marten]

Professionals have standards

The infamously standardized shivs

[spiral badger]

ok 2 needler marks

[fierce marten]

Shiv STCs

[cyan depot]

what the fuck is the stub pistols special

[spiral badger]

one is secondary fire explodes them and spreeads like fire

[cyan depot]

just doing tricks with it?

[spiral badger]

the other is more stagger and damage

looking at it it looks like more damage per shot

so probably for hitting breakpoints to one-shot a specialist or something

[uneven turret]

i reckon

[haughty ember]

the books have a steady back and forth between nurgle immunity and increasingly over the top hyperpoisons

[uneven turret]

welcome back victor saltzpyre with the pistol spin

[fierce marten]

Random but the attack speed stim lab talents is funny, have youve been so high your automatic gun just shoots much faster

[spiral badger]

toxins stack up really hard on bosses looks like

[uneven turret]

thats awesome

[fierce marten]

It seems to be the glass cannon of the game

[uneven turret]

all the stimms make you push the trigger harder which in turn causes the gun to shoot faster
it all makes sense

[cyan depot]

Whoever set Gunpsyker Veteran was right I feel

[fierce marten]

Spreading toxins seems to do as good of horde clear as flame staff for havoc but its passive as it spreads by itself, strong boss damage

[cyan depot]

You're huffing heavy gas into the action so it operates faster see

[uneven turret]

good point good point

[spiral badger]

also really seems to lack strong immediate kill options

needs to do a bunch of repeated hits

[uneven turret]

bringing a new meaning to gas operated firearm

[fierce marten]

Oh that CDR stim is gonna be nerfed, its like 300% CDR and works on stim crate ability and lets yoou spam stim crates every 10 seconds

Cause getting back your stim resets your stim crate ability too

[uneven turret]

day 1 maybe day 2 nerf

[fierce marten]

Id expect a prerelease nerf

I was already excited but now moreso, it seems even more glass cannon than psyker but with guns and drugs

[uneven turret]

i like the vibes

[ionic tusk]

isn't exe stance already crying looking at scrier's gazekers and shout vets

like I think having exe stance but better around will increase the chance exe stance itself gets buffed again via comparison
it's how ogyrn charge got some of the qol zealot charge has always had

[wintry plaza]

https://youtu.be/TTZojeJg8u4?si=AqTb2MAqdV8oH7w8

[fierce marten]

Yooo

Also why is the heavy so articulate

He actually uses full sentences and proper grammar for an Ogryn

[drowsy tusk]

He has a degree in Russian literature

[fierce marten]

Russia still exists in 40k

Its like a ultrahistory degree at that point

Also if they make the gun jokes then this may be one of the most intelligent ogryn in the setting being able to do gun maintenance

[uneven turret]

anyone playing the uhhhhh stealth vet

[cyan depot]

BONEead implant working properly

[ionic tusk]

specifically stealth vet? imo most of zealot stealth's tricks (like standing on top of consoles to avoid getting hit by stray attacks) work on vet stealth also and the builds that are good with stealth tend to be the same builds that are good with shout

[fierce marten]

Overclocked bonehead

[clear ridge]

i didn't really like stealth vet compared to stealth zealot, but that may be a dysfunction of trying to play them the same way

using stealth liberally as a defense and control tool, and blasting away with a boltgun

[shrewd kite]

i'm just the opposite tbh - i get too tunnel visioned on backstabs as a stealth zealot

while stealth vet just kinda does everything

[clear ridge]

i only go for backstabs on monsters

bonk

[soft summit]

Still curious what the Arbites/Scum relationship (and lines) are gonna be like

[ionic tusk]

stealth vet got indirectly nerfed by the cooldown changes- with such a big cooldown it benefited more from the % reductions (that psyker was vomitting everywhere) and each 3s reduction (from vet's own talent) was less likely to be wasted (esp. with 2 charges)

imo the biggest problem with stealth vet though, is that 80% of the time you could have shouted and done the exact same thing (or better), only 20% of the time does the stealth achieve more than an area knockdown and toughness restore would have
the talent tree changes do make this hurt less though because you're not paying additional tax if you want to have survivalist with stealth, before shout vet was straight up cheaper than stealth for most builds in addition to being way better

[ionic tusk]

yeah, stealth has a 45s second cooldown (60s if you take the extra charge) so it can't really be used liberally like zealot stealth (30s cooldown with zealot's way better cooldown nodes) and shout (30s cooldown)

[marsh gyro]

Hive Scum's up on the GamesLantern build editor if y'all want to peek the nodes, the overall shape of the tree is pretty similar to arbitrator
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[marsh gyro]

The funny thing if you take Born Leader node on Vet and have like 180 toughness the stealth restores 36 toughness to the team which is just about 75% of a shout, this obviously falls apart fast because it's not gold toughness and also gets crunched by Havoc Toughness penalties, but I still laughed whenever I do it

[ionic tusk]

vet can restore absurd amounts of toughness with born leader with no ability usage

🤔 I do have to ask if it works on toughness over time things like exe stance and confirmed kill

[ionic tusk]

also, wouldn't shout do the same thing on top of the +50 flat gold toughness? since it also restores all of your toughness

[marsh gyro]

You're right, that's 86 to the team, so it's more like 41% of a shout

[ionic tusk]

I don't think the toughness regen on allies is that significant a part of shout anyways though, it's more a cool tech you can do if someone is actively getting hit

I do run born leader just to make sure I don't miss any demo team procs though

[marsh gyro]

Demo team is an unsung hero of a node when there's 200-400 specials and elites at a go

[ionic tusk]

unsung? it's probably the third or second best node in the game at this point heheheho

🤔 I can't believe it's still underrated, I remember a meteoric use rate rise when havoc first launched

does anyone want to play aurics/mid havoc right now?

[frank igloo]

Nurgle is disease, not poison

[flint moss]

poison immunity would make nurglites incapable of getting drunk, which feels profoundly incorrect

[fierce marten]

It's also decay and his followers use toxins quite a bit

[ionic tusk]

maybe the poison the hive scum use is soap

[fierce marten]

Nurgle's master of plague created a poison for primarchs

It wasn't even a disease it was straight up poison using Gulliman's blood

Part of death guard's resilience is to toxins and poisons like highly deadly atmospheres and gas weapons.

[clear ridge]

i have to imagine that nurglites are resistant to some poisons at a baseline, but it's not like poison is a single category of things that work in one way, so some random bullshit probably works

since magical fucked-up immune systems don't protect you against everything when you're like

john bozo perpetually dying of consumption

[frank igloo]

Its actually concentrated antibiotics

[fierce marten]

They're pretty resistant but not the most resistant out of the factions to toxins/poisons, that probably has to go to like Tyranids.

They're kind of resistant moreso cause like they're chugging along fine missing half of their body

Half your organs shut down due to a poison? It's like getting drunk all over again

[cyan depot]

It’s definitely necrons tbf

[worldly talon]

Also Bob the Random Cultist is probably, all things considered, somewhat less able to function while poisoned and with half his head missing than a typical Plague Marine

[cyan depot]

There actually used to be a sidebar in 40K explaining “don’t think about it” with regards to poison weapons working on Necrons

[fierce marten]

You know that's fair, although nurgle did manage to get Necrons once with a plague

[cyan depot]

“They use acid or something idk”

[worldly talon]

Also when you think about it

The Flayer Curse and Destroyers are both sort of Necron diseases

[fierce marten]

I mean that's true for most chaos cultist, most aren't like much more than humans. The daemons though

[fierce marten]

Nurgle I get though, it's not like a normal plague but it's a warp powered thing and Necrons don't deal with that well

Flayer is like, c'tan not warp but basically magic.

[worldly talon]

Magitech computer virus

[fierce marten]

I do like how Tyranids and nurgle get into one up contests

Nurgle has made worlds so rancid that not even hives would bother adapting to eat them

But also gorgon has made toxins that melted death guard to their bones then turned their bones mush

[shrewd kite]

the dual colts look so fucking sick tbh

i was always mildly underwhelmed by the 'regular' guns in this game compared to shit like the plasma gun or the bolter but these have my attention

[spiral badger]

ranged scum havoc viable...

[fierce marten]

Desperado makes them not care about ammo

Actual gun class that can be fine only using gun

Cause apparently according to playtesters it easy to keep this going for minutes and that means you dont use ammo at all really

[shrewd kite]

yeah and it looks like activating desperado just straight up generates ammo if you're out from what i've seen

[fierce marten]

Damn thats wild

[shrewd kite]

.....with all of this shit, i think executioner's stance can afford to get its reload back

[fierce marten]

I just see if you take the many reload talents you can bullet hose with desperado

I expect nerfs but it seems like hive scum is incredibly fragile, it has several dodge related and damage negation stuff but actually bad at recovering toughness if hit and does real easily. I'd expect some of the stuff to be more glass cannony than other classes since at least according to Mister E its more fragile than psyker

[ionic tusk]

damn this has the extending mechanics that exe stance should have
hope that gets backported

[fierce marten]

Hope so

[ionic tusk]

I do think that there are vet builds that can be fine using only gun/blitz in auric

they fall off in havoc less from the ammo constraints and more from there being 100 crushers

[fierce marten]

Thing is Hive Scum could do it in havoc 40 it seems

[ionic tusk]

also if you count staves as guns psyker has a ton of ranged only builds

[shrewd kite]

the only thing i could think of are lasgun builds that functionally have infinite ammo

[fierce marten]

Well Hive Scum doesnt have to worry about peril

[ionic tusk]

like uh, recon lazgun shock trooper + tons of crit

[fierce marten]

Just nonstop gunning with most any gun

[ionic tusk]

yes

I made one earlier today heheho

[shrewd kite]

the helbore is kinda niche, but if you could use it it can work. the infantry lasguns all seem kinda underwhelming at high levels from what i've seen?

[fierce marten]

Well its not just lasguns

[ionic tusk]

recon lazgun holds up decently

[shrewd kite]

right, i always forget recon cause i don't like that one haha

[fierce marten]

If you wanted you can use autogun bullethose with Hive Scum in havoc 40

[ionic tusk]

it is very good but it is also "walk forward while hosing at head level" pilled

[shrewd kite]

autoguns then? def not stuff like plasma or bolter

[ionic tusk]

I have seen recon lazgun builds used decently in mid havoc but they start being less and less ranged only

[fierce marten]

Seeing the havoc 40 early access clips it has strong damage boosts against enemies affected by toxins so the dual shredders have strong rending and kills elites easily

[ionic tusk]

even crushers? that will be insane heheho

[fierce marten]

Well not really crushers

Maulers, scab ragers, scab shotgunners yes

And theres a talent that makes toxin spread via AoE on death

[shrewd kite]

the toxin damage itself seems relatively efficient against armoured targets like crushers from what i've seen

[ionic tusk]

eh, I think vet can already hose down those things well enough

[shrewd kite]

stuff like the needler and presumably the bonesaw seem like they will be good against them

[fierce marten]

The TTK seems as fast as plasma gun for vet, it just kills everything else armored much faster

It does guns better than vet it seems

Just a lot more squishy than vet

[ionic tusk]

and vet does melee better than zealot *

[shrewd kite]

it also only gets the infinite ammo at close range, so it is decidedly a spray and pray class

[fierce marten]

Petition to make vet the melee class
Hive Scum the gun class
Zealot the support class
/s

[ionic tusk]

🤔 you could shoot people out of close range and still get the ammo from the people in close range though, right?

vet is the everything class heheho

zealot fell off hard support wise

tho zealot boss-slaying stocks went up

[shrewd kite]

the other thing with vet is that you can chain executioner's stance with the recharge talent

[fierce marten]

Those stocks might be taken away by Hive Scum

[shrewd kite]

you can't do that with scum

[ionic tusk]

zealot is the "having 3.5 players and no bosses is definitely worth it" class

[ionic tusk]

wdym

[fierce marten]

You can extend Hive Scum's desperado though

Its better than Exe stance for duration since its not a refresh but an extend

[ionic tusk]

I don't think exe stance is really needed for infinite ammo vet anyways

though shout can make it annoying to get headshots

[shrewd kite]

exec stance recharge starts as soon as you hit the button, whereas the scum's only starts recharging when it ends

[ionic tusk]

oohhh

[shrewd kite]

you can extend exec stance too? With the anti-gunner node i've kept it going for a minute + at a time

[fierce marten]

Its not an extend its a refresh of duration

[ionic tusk]

exe stance basically has infinite uptime until your allies killsteal you enough or the fight ends
or you fight a boss

[fierce marten]

The moment you stop killing for like 5-8seconds it over

[shrewd kite]

ah yeah, i see what you mean

[fierce marten]

Hive Scum is it extends by 3s, so you can bank duration it seems

[ionic tusk]

the abilities look like they do completely different things anyways

hive scum has a mobility/ranged defense/ammo restore
exe stance has a damage boost, highlight, and toughness gen

the only thing that's the same is that they can't be used on melee weapons and refresh/extend

compared to scrier's gaze which is a damage boost, toughness gen, toughness dr, and also extends

[shrewd kite]

scum does have a highlight too, but it highlights every enemy in range rather than priority ones, so different intention there

[fierce marten]

Gaze does generate peril so you have to manage it if you want it high but not at 100%

Both stance and desperado have an easier upkeep condition of kill

[ionic tusk]

psyker has a few talents that quell on kill/shooting, though yeag more conditions for it

[fierce marten]

Yea Psyker you kind of have to invest more for the stronger effect

[ionic tusk]

but ultimately, if we're comparing to vet, there's far more ranged builds than just exe stance

[fierce marten]

Hive Scum might be top tier support with stim crate

It heals corruption and it doesnt specify current wound

And theres a talent that heals up to 50% HP of corruption and also isnt restricted by wound

[ionic tusk]

it's half right?

[fierce marten]

These are different talents

[ionic tusk]

ah, hm

[fierce marten]

The crate can heal your team fully from corruption

[shrewd kite]

apparently as of the new build it doesn't heal past wound limits

[ionic tusk]

but 50% ignoring wound is worse than one wound for non-ogyrns without wound curios

since 50% is one wound in that case after being downed once

[fierce marten]

Thats fair, fully removing corruption is rather stronk

[shrewd kite]

kind of bones its utility on zealots but w/e

[fierce marten]

They nerfed desperado so you dont get ranged immunity

[shrewd kite]

yeah that always seemed pretty excessive lol

[fierce marten]

Not even out and getting nerfs

[ionic tusk]

I wonder if they could do "immune to ranged attacks beyond close range"

[shrewd kite]

well they want to avoid another arbitrator release i suppose

[ionic tusk]

yeah

[fierce marten]

Thats funny cause theres a stupid silly CDR stim lab stim

[ionic tusk]

although that already kind of happened with vet buffs

[shrewd kite]

i think this would work, or at least major damage resist ro ranged attacks or something

[ionic tusk]

just wondering if it's possible in-engine without tons of code changes

[shrewd kite]

should be? Doesn't the ogryn taunt talent already do something similar?

[ionic tusk]

which talent?

[fierce marten]

If Gameslantern is more current it seems like they nerfed the CDR stim labs

THe vid I saw for stim labs had 4 25% CDR additive nodes then ends in a 100% CDR multiplicative node

[ionic tusk]

I don't think there's any thing in the game that cares about the distance of the thing attacking you

there's a lot of ranged attack only stuff but nothing with distance afaik

[fierce marten]

Which when I saw the vid I was like, Fatshark why I thought you wanted less CDR abuse

[ionic tusk]

fatshark cannot do consistency

someone probably just didn't get the memo heheho

'cause it took fatshark 2-3 major updates to remember all the CDR nodes in the game after they declared that all cooldown should be +% for X time

[clear ridge]

i just want magic guns and i know the fuckass imperial factions aren't the place I'll ever get them 😭

please let us get away with a little bit of tech-heresy

[ionic tusk]

and the language on coherency is still inconsistent despite them changing both of these nodes in the same update

[fierce marten]

It seems wild they lifted NDA on hive scum like today when early access content creators already played it for a bit to say its broken af, and theyre already nerfing stuff now after the vids have been released

[clear ridge]

i just want a warp rifle for my psyker

[fierce marten]

Power & Strength

Of the best mods is better descriptions so you know what things actually do and how it works

Granted they fixed many nodes that just didnt do what the description said like the psyker warp rending one that used to do nothing

[ionic tusk]

I'm pretty sure I got that one fixed heheho

I had a playtester get really really angry at me after I said it did nothing

[fierce marten]

How so

[ionic tusk]

and then it was fixed the next patch after I proved them wrong heho

[fierce marten]

Honestly I see it

[ionic tusk]

I'm currently trying to decide if I should go that route again with an audio bug for arbites instead of dealing with Fourms

[fierce marten]

Fatshark devs does not get anything from the community unless it's from a playtester

Or a bug on the forum and that hinges on Julia to actually bring it up it seems

[ionic tusk]

the bug I think exists and am contemplating digging more into: the arbites voice I use (and maybe others) does the fleshbag callout when there's a poxburster (?)

but I could totally see the devs forgetting fleshbag is a typical chaos spawn callout and re-using it for poxburster on arbites in which case it wouldn't be a bug even though it's really dumb

[fierce marten]

There have been leaked deleted DMs and such about how Julia and the official community managers don't have any direct contact to the dev team, only a contact with a fatshark employee not on the dev team and they just hope said contact actually brings it up

[ionic tusk]

pain

[fierce marten]

It's one of the worst managed PR side I've seen in a company

[ionic tusk]

honestly I'd want to have as many layers of insulation from any war-themed community also

[fierce marten]

There is some precedent, vermintide 2 was awful

Feedback was basically helldivers community and they just had to mute it from the dev team and have community liaisons bring things up

[cyan depot]

There’s often a bunch of shifting stuff with prerelease builds so it might not be feedback

I’ve always been a little puzzled why

[shrewd kite]

side note, i really like the weird slang the scum have

looking forward to doornailing some perishers

[fierce marten]

We'll never know with FS

[regal pendant]

Vaguely wanna try to get into modding just to make a mod that plays Roller Mobster while you're using Hive Scum's Rampage ability

[quiet escarp]

https://youtu.be/TTZojeJg8u4?si=NWzMRmWM1tH4VMNP

There's a new Ogryn personality in the patch, apparently

Which makes me wonder what new personalities the other classes could get down the line

[shrewd kite]

yeah it sounds like it's going to be a ganger variant of the ogryn, which is fun

lot smarter than the other ones, funnily enough

[quiet escarp]

Yeah, and we thought we already had the true Ogryn geezer in the Brawler but this guy is next level

[quiet escarp]

Yeah, guess there's some survival of the fittest going on there in the underhive

Though I think the Bodyguard is also probably nearly this smart, he's just dealing with Low Gothic being a second language at the same time

I saw it pointed out that the addition of a fourth personality for Ogryn might indicate another gender locked class coming up, which would ship with four to begin with

Since they might have been concerned about a gender locked class with only three personalities being sold for the same price as ones with, effectively, six

[shrewd kite]

i am surprised by how much FS are clearly willing to invest into voice work. my understanding is that it's not cheap

[spiral badger]

it's one of the two pillars that hold up their games

1. insanely good feeling combat
2. great and consistently updated voicework

[fierce marten]

If I had to guess its one of the few things that doesnt need explicit approval from GW

So they can just put a lot into it cause they dont have to wait for a response from someone at GW

[spiral badger]

the hogger's bridge bit from vermintide is permanently stuck in my head

[regal pendant]

"Elf?!"

"EEEEEEEEEEEEELF!!!!!!!!"

[spiral badger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJLcgEZZjR8 (for reference)

[shrewd kite]

more generally i think the Tide games understand something that stuff like space marine doesn't, which is that a key part of Warhammer is the Brit Vibes

[fierce marten]

Saber is way to cautious with their writing in terms of personality

At least for the astartes, that one guard guy I can hear in my head

[shrewd kite]

i imagine that might be GW? Space marine is supposed to be the big tentpole 40k game in a way that darktide isn't, so they might have to be more conservative generally

[fierce marten]

Darktide is one of those games

Its heavily curated by GW

I just think its Saber mostly

World War Z had incredibly forgettable dialogue

Evil Dead was ok but much lower par than the original show

[mortal crystal]

Tbh, Fatshark is an exception more than Saber being bad.

[spiral badger]

darktide literally has matt ward writing for it too

also yeah fatshark is just, really good at picking and writing dialogue

[mortal crystal]

Fatshark's writers and Voice Directors are fucking amazing

[fierce marten]

I mean, Saber is like x10 the size im sure they can afford a good writer like that if Darktide could

[mortal crystal]

(as are the VAs mind, but VAs are only part of the equation)

[spiral badger]

for darktide a bunch of the lines were recorded with the VAs running on treadmills carrying fake lasguns

to "get the right tone"

which is hilarious

[fierce marten]

I think Fatshark is just good at what they do but they are held bunch a back by GW

[mortal crystal]

At least they finally managed to get a topless cosmetic in

Only for one class, but it's something

[fierce marten]

Their dev time is quite fast if they are allowed to do something, Hive Scum came out like 6 months ago

Vermintide 2 took a while to get there but its design is pretty great

And a lot of that half the company was working on darktide

[clear ridge]

that's not necessarily a good thing, tbh

[spiral badger]

he's doing character writing, which is the thing everyone likes him doing, instead of codex writing, the thing everyone hates him doing

[fierce marten]

I will say getting Matt Ward to write but not having any space marines is peak troll

[clear ridge]

fair

[fierce marten]

If Matt Ward is allowed to write with space marines hes gonna make ultramarines the best guys and somehow involve Gulliman as a not so subtle mary sue

[clear ridge]

in a game without space marines in any way ever, matt ward isn't a cursed name

[mortal crystal]

If Matt Ward was writing SM2 I'd have concerns

But yeah, here writing hive gangers running around with shitty pistols and prison shivs jumped up on 4 types of drugs he's fine

[fierce marten]

If only his favorite faction was Custodes, them being mary sues would be lore accurate

But yea FS chose Matt Ward in the one 40k setting he'd be great at, at story without any space marines

I dont think theres even any mentioned in passing

[clear ridge]

...i want a fatshark necron game

[fierce marten]

Imagine

[clear ridge]

sharktide but necrons or tomb kings

[fierce marten]

Id want Fatshark necromunda

Or Rogue Trader OG, theyd probably pull out some real obscure stuff out of the lore

[marsh gyro]

I'm here for Orktide

[spiral badger]

WAAAAAAAAAAAGHTIDE

[frank igloo]

Tau game

With auxiliaries

[heavy geyser]

Why does mom let you have two FPS games?

[fierce marten]

The greater good

[tough compass]

One of the Hive Scum's feminine personalities sounding like some of the traitors is going up confuse me for awhile

[uneven turret]

yeah specifically stealth vet because i wanna know if anyone else plays them

[shrewd kite]

i've used stealth vet in aurics before, it's definitely more of a utility skill imo

i mostly use it for revives or to push objectives

i want to combine it with the shredder blessing that improves damage when you shoot someone in the back, but the problem with that is that you need to use the shredder autopistol

[ionic tusk]

there's a talent that does that also but that's probably the only talent stealth works with that shout doesn't (tho idk, maybe the knockdown could be used to do that)
and you aren't going to be getting to use stealth that often to proc it anyways

[ionic tusk]

I have a friend who played stealth vet a lot because they hated shout but apparently the cooldown changes kind of killed their builds

I myself played it a good while recently when I was grinding the related penance

[spiral badger]

the problem with stealth at optimal levels of play is that right now it's good at solving a problem that isn't really a problem and bad at solving the actual core things that plague you

it's good for doing mission stuff, picking up people who aren't otherwise being shit on by area denial, and repositioning to kill ranged units

unfortunately none of those things are necessary compared to killing all this karking armor that just showed up

i still think it has a niche but the game is not balanced toward showing that niche right now

[marsh gyro]

30% extra damage for 5 seconds isn't much when there's 20 crushers in a row and they take 10% damage from your ranged from the mods

[ionic tusk]

I think it also has some of the problems of revive shout where to having it to save other people you're putting yourself at risk of going down- sure you do have an extra charge, but it's not gonna come back that combat after you use one to Not Die yourself

I'm also not too sure on the "repositioning to kill ranged units" part because your options on where to reposition where you won't get gunned down/draw elites who can't see anyone else so the threat doesn't matter is often limited and if that's not the case you can slide up to them and shout 80% of the time to do the same thing

to add insult to injury, I think ignoring suppression is a more common havoc modifier side effect than ignoring other cc- though I still can't tell if stealth has suppression that matters in the first place

[drowsy tusk]

https://youtube.com/shorts/wrnX0AKd8Uc

I love ogwyn

[flint moss]

bodyguard best ogryn

genuinely insightful, vocabulary not great

[dawn totem]

I'm partial to "Sah, yess Sah!" Orgyn myself. Just wants friends, rations, and to do good work for Em'prah.

[sonic elbow]

thinking bout how hive scum can probably turn the yeehawvolver into a heavy machine gun with the ammo back to clip perk

one shotting elites should be trivial with it so that one bullet just keeps going

[flint moss]

i just realized fem savant reminds me of the detective in Tusk

[worldly talon]

Idk if I’m gonna go bounty hunter or anarchist

I get the feeling ninety percent of scum are going to be anarchist

[shrewd kite]

i feel like fem anarchist is gonna be the winner here, all that hooting and hollering in her ability lines really sells the personality

i'm probably gonna go male outlaw since i love being a contrarian

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/l8VMg7jqx64

[fierce marten]

I am set on fem anarchist cause of the dev post that said it sounds terrifying

[flint moss]

i might play fem outlaw, depends on the samples in the character creation menu

[worldly talon]

I looked them up

[mortal crystal]

Yeah, I need to hear them in the menu

[worldly talon]

I love the fem bounty hunter voice

But the anarchist just sounds like she’s having the time of her life

[mortal crystal]

Yeah, she's our front runner too

We love utterly unhinged characters and she sounds perfect

[marsh gyro]

Is there a way to skip unlocking Aurics on a fresh toon or is it only the campaign that can be skipped

[worldly talon]

I think it’s just campaign

[marsh gyro]

Maybe I'll try to get the "don't go down for 10 missions on Malice or higher" penance then while leveling

[worldly talon]

So far I’ve got (all female except Ogryn)

[mortal crystal]

Oh that'll be a challenge

Legit

Because holy fuck is this class going to be made of paper

[worldly talon]

Loose cannon vet
Agitator zealot
Loner psyker
Fatalist arbitrator
Brawler ogryn

[ionic tusk]

also having 3 other glass cannons in every lobby might reduce winrate a bit

also doing aurics without any talents is pain, esp. if you're using gear you can't speed along with mastery

[marsh gyro]

It was about 18 missions for the campaign and another 8 or so to unlock Aurics if I remember right so in a different scenario I would gladly pay Fatshark for a level boost to save 15 hours of time, it's probably for the better for the playerbase that ain't a thing

[ionic tusk]

tbh, the paid characters starting at like level 10-20 wouldn't be so bad (since the player probably already has a level 20+)
esp. arbites where it would have made more sense lore wise

[brazen fossil]

I wish we got more guns, am starwing here

[ionic tusk]

I do think the average player has trickled back up to aurics even if 4 copies of them don't really have a good chance to beat a damnation- they only need to win once in a while over a long period

[ionic tusk]

if you have a friend they can pull you straight into aurics, but that friend's character better be able to make up for one player not having any abilities or you'll get mad pubs lel

[marsh gyro]

Usually the power leveling on the other toons was on Damnation for a much chiller time yeah

[fierce marten]

Reginald did 4 hive scum havoc 40 and his conclusion was he's never going to do that again

Cause 4 glass cannons while amazing damage goes bad real quick

[mortal crystal]

Yeah, you can pump damage but you die to a wet fart.

[fierce marten]

I'm going to be part of problem as one of the 4 hive scum in random parties

[sonic elbow]

3 hive scum, one vet feeding them ammo and toughness

we call this the foreign consultant squad

[clear ridge]

i don't think they even need a vet for ammo lol

[shrewd kite]

tbh i feel like the most useful fourth class would be a taunt ogryn? or maybe an arbitrator. just someone that can lock down a chokepoint

[shrewd kite]

i also think the new ogryn class is probably gonna be the designated shithead one, just cause he's actually intelligent enough to actually be malicious, unlike the bully

[sonic elbow]

you tell him off and he pulls out an IQ curve meme

[opaque crown]

Oh is everyone getting a new class?

[shrewd kite]

just the ogryn, looks like
https://youtu.be/TTZojeJg8u4?si=IQb0rrx33kEQPkD-

[dawn totem]

When the Hive Scum debuts, I wonder if they'll do a sale for Abarties on Steam?

[uneven turret]

considering that theres already a sale for the arbites that ends on Dec 11, yeah

and theres a -75% sale for the base game as well

[thick rivet]

Do we know what non-exclusive weapons Scum is gonna have?

I see they have combat axe

[ionic tusk]

I think gameslantern has the full list already

[fierce marten]

Yup

Hive Scum weapon blessings too

Which the hive scum weapons got good ones

[thick rivet]

I think I'm gonna do dual stub pistols and the heavy sword

[fierce marten]

Its also funny how all of the hive scum weapons only have 1 mark except for Needler and Shiv

[cyan depot]

2 marks on the shiv is so fucking funny

[fierce marten]

The bonesaw though looks interest it applies toxin on hit and you can use special to switch between chem and brittleness

Im definitely doing shivs though, you can throw them and it recharges on elite/special/backstabs and has all the knife blessings?

Uncanny Fleshtearer my beloved

[marsh gyro]

Maybe I'm missing something, they kinda seem like they're gonna have a tough time with carapace since the only rending bonuses I see are on the top right chem stim and the melee active blitz, the shivs do have a pretty good carapace multiplier so maybe that's the secret sauce

I'm just a little scarred from this Havoc season of stimmed up rotten armor is all

[fierce marten]

Yea they seem great against bosses and hordes but bad at crushers and maulers

The rocket doesnt even one shot a crusher, you need to wait for the DoT very brief and it has a shorter AoE than kraks it seems

[ionic tusk]

(vs maulers) if the chem dots work like other dots it'll count as hitting the flak chest which might be pretty good

[ionic tusk]

it's a nerfed version of uncanny right? but even then it's going to be more rending than most builds get (+40% instead of +120%)

[fierce marten]

Yea it's 8% with 5 stacks

[ionic tusk]

which is still really good imo
just not gamebreaking

[fierce marten]

Which I'm tin foil hatting that uncanny might be be nerfed to 40% across the board

[ionic tusk]

that would be a good change

then they could un buff crushers at the very least

[fierce marten]

Yea 40% is real good, it'll probably still be like a meta pick because crushers are tankier now

[sonic elbow]

it got buffed since the first reveal

[fierce marten]

Damn

Lot of adjustments in a few days

I like all the early access content creators build videos for a class most people can't even use yet

[ionic tusk]

marketing moment
have to have the hype before the launch so it comes out swinging

[shrewd kite]

idk if gameslantern lists this anywhere, but i imagine the crowbar alt mode would be pretty effective against carapace too

uh, the needler also seems very effective at chewing through armour. actually, i wonder how a chem-gunslinger hybrid that used the needler would be?

[marsh gyro]

Yeah Can Opener on the crowbar (distinct from Ogryn Ripper Can-Opener) for the brittleness looks like a good team play

[quiet escarp]

Yeah, he seems to be basically a Warhammer Fantasy Ogre Tyrant, which is pretty fun

[fierce marten]

As much as I want to rocket launcher cause cool the gas nade seems nutty with the talent that let's it spread

[slender shell]

Im eyeing the stun nades with the talent that gives them toxin stacks for a hybrid brawler/chem support

[tough compass]

The Stub pistol special where the ganger spins the gun around increases accuracy lol

[uneven turret]

for real?

[cyan depot]

Lmao hell yeah

[regal pendant]

Peak

[lost cave]

Yeah, it's special is a spin trick that gives perfect accuracy for a split second

[uneven turret]

i was already on board for the stubs, but now im more on board

cant wait

[white rover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1445071547734818897/RDT_20251201_1518116275344612540510760.jpg?ex=692f0341&is=692db1c1&hm=07a486df0613662b2fd29925fb28b7ee3466668bba343c5d2876567ad17d5a4c&

[sacred pagoda]

Man, this is gonna be funny as an Arbites main.

[fierce marten]

I bet fatalist will either really get along with anarchist or really hate them

I want all the arbites interactions

New map though I bet would go hard with Hive Scum and gunning down trenches

[quiet escarp]

I almost want to bet that Fatalist and Bounty Hunter have some interaction about having worked together in the past

[fierce marten]

They seem like the 2 arbites/scum that'd get along the best but if fatshark subverted that expectation and fatalist hates them for being exactly what wrong with the imperium but in the underhives instead of high terra.

[quiet escarp]

Lmao that is a fair point actually, it would be the thing that Fatalist can point to and say "yeah I'm bad but I have to be here precisely because this guy exists"

[fierce marten]

Moreso like "people like you are why the imperium is so laughably rotten, high lords and cronies corrupted's laws and youre no different being gangers outside the law so its rotten in every corner of the imperium"

Especially towards the more noble hive scum personality

Fatalist thinking nothing they do can change the imperium in a meaningful way but theyre not making it worse than it already is kind of bitter mindset

On the other hand I want one of the other 2 begin to agree too much with Hive Scum and begin to show inklings of doubt about the Lex

[sacred pagoda]

The Fatalist is doing the best they think they can.

Which seems to also involve caving in a heretic’s skull with a shock maul a lot.

[quiet escarp]

The Fatalist does kind of veer between "Doing their best in a hard world making hard choices" and "I joined the cops just to kill people"

The male one, at least, seems happy to enjoy the bloodthirsty part of the job

[clear ridge]

everyone in the lex is there to kill people tbh

if they weren't they'd be part of uh. any legal body other than the lex, which is there to collect tithes and kill people stopping them from collecting tithes

[marsh gyro]

What's that one Fatalist kill streak line? "Slaughter should be efficient!"

[flint moss]

yeah fatalist is a cynical asshole, for admittedly understandable reasons

and so is one of the hive scum personalities, by the looks of it

[spiral badger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLRO4pulWso

[crystal sluice]

hell yea

[lost cave]

Holy krak revolver gun Pysker is fun

[clear ridge]

what's your build rn?

brain burst ar/las?

[flint moss]

scrier revolver innit

[ionic tusk]

what blitz? 👀

my bet's on assail/revolver/scrier

[lost cave]

Dragon is correct

[clear ridge]

ooh

[ionic tusk]

my reasoning was that assail covers up a lot of the weaknesses a revolver primary build would have (mostly ammo econ and reloading)

[clear ridge]

that sounds cool, i've never tried any of the pistols

except the regular laspistol

[ionic tusk]

revolver, bolt pistol, and heavy laspistol (is there another? 🤔 ) are great imo if you can work with their weaknesses

[clear ridge]

oh wait no i have tried the bolt pistol

i thought it was just a bad version of the boltgun

in return for having a more generous draw

which was not a trade i cared for

worse damage, worse ammo, worse splash, worse fire rate, slightly worse accuracy

[drowsy vine]

it has identical damage and arguably better accuracy since it sways less

[ionic tusk]

the accuracy does get kind of ruined by the sway tweening bug imo

but it's also tac axe speed

[clear ridge]

sway was never an issue for me on the spearhead, i just prefer its superior ads accuracy

[ionic tusk]

I vote bolt pistol the specialist gun ever

[haughty ember]

The laspistol is fun but like the lighter lasguns you want an autofire mod to save your index finger

[clear ridge]

my b on the damage though

[drowsy vine]

there's also the fact the bolt pistol has assault speed sprint

[ionic tusk]

ammo econ is fine if it takes 2 shots to kill, but it can certainly do 1 shot if you have time for surgical

[drowsy vine]

which is a massive advantage

[clear ridge]

that's fair

[ionic tusk]

laspistol has knife/dueling sword sprint speed so I usually pick that if it's an option tho
but arbites doesn't have it

[clear ridge]

my preferred zealot loadout is spearhead hammer

i just want a huge axe...

[ionic tusk]

what sprint speed does the spearhead have again? 'cause thammer is as slow as flamer so it's extraordinary painful

[clear ridge]

dogshit rate-wise, but i've never had much trouble managing it

[ionic tusk]

not sure what this works out to in game
but it's positive tm

oh it's the arbites shotgun speed
so like +.27

hmm doesn't look like gameslantern has the sprint speed stats of weapons that don't have a variable sprint speed 😔

[drowsy vine]

yeah its annoying to look up

[ionic tusk]

and also -.45 to .45 is just wrong because weapons don't cap at 100%

the curve can also be changed per weapon iirc if fatshark wills

realistically the stat spread should show 0% (unupgraded worse case), 60% (upgraded worst case), and 80% (upgraded best case)

[lost cave]

I have three builds on all my characters and it's just picking a line in the tree and going down it. With some useful stuff from other parts of the trees too, like I have all the soulblaze stuff on all my psyker builds.

[ionic tusk]

soulblaze is my least favorite part of psyker building tbh
"oh what if I make this cool build. oh wait I need to put on perilous combustion because that's way better- oh wait now I'm just shoving <original build idea> into a soulblaze build"

tho I haven't tried it as much with the new tree, I definitely should mess around with new assail pathing

[cyan depot]

Soulblaze is all or nothing yeah haha

[ionic tusk]

🤔 to me it's more, "I could make the build better by swapping out X for Y" and then ending up swapping out the entire thing- and each step of the way I was making it better, even when I was just adding a sprinkle of soulblaze

tho ig after a certain point it stops being better at what I wanted it to be good at and just turns into staffslop tm

[clear ridge]

i don't think I've ever used a force staff once

i acknowledge that they're cracked

and have seen psykers do gnarly shit with em

but

I'm here to shoot warp lightning with one hand while spraying lead with the other

[marsh gyro]

Yeah gun psyker rules hard

[heavy geyser]

the ADS on the pistol is dead accurate.

The sights on the straight box magazine skins are better than the sights on the curved magazine skins.

I run mine with 60% stability and it reliably shoots the green off a scab's goggles across the map.

Put Run & Gun on it and its an incredible counter-sniper weapon.

[clear ridge]

oh god dammit really?

[heavy geyser]

The curved sights you can get used to but the box sights are unbelievably sharp and clear by contrast.

Throw the mastery skin on and have a look at your sight picture.

Its like aftermarket tritium paint

[clear ridge]

ough

i will keep that in mind, thank you

[regal pendant]

This is why I like Extended Weapon Customization

Lets me put actually good sights on my guns

[ionic tusk]

I usually ping whatever I'm trying to shoot at then shoot at it through my gun
which speaks to how bad sights are in this game, yeah

[marsh gyro]

It's not 40k if you can see what you're shooting

[clear ridge]

one day, they'll get permission to add the weapon customization system

[ionic tusk]

I had the strangest flashbang the other day when I realized my gun had a flashlight during a lights out mission
wish I could give all my guns flashlights,,,

[sonic elbow]

gun mounted flashlight 3 times brighter than the body carried one that could use an arbitrarily large battery, curious

clearly a synergistic relationship between the machine spirits

the gun light gets excited to make someone get shot

[ionic tusk]

(just tried it and I also agree)
left curved (mastery, second mark), right box (first mark, commissary skins)

[sonic elbow]

sights in this game are, in general, oddly hazy

at least I can't get my graphics to display them them sharply

bring back gun sights as a .png

also whoever decided the reflex sights will have a reticule in the same shade of piss as enemies and the ground was a saboteur

[heavy geyser]

Here's a screenshot of the mastery mark sight picture.

The posts are tall and dark, and they have bright white marks on them without any texture surrounding them.

The curved sights are also perfectly serviceable but htey are a bit noisier.

[ionic tusk]

huh that's different from mine? 🤔

[heavy geyser]

I didn't want to be rude but yours looks like a LOD model.

[ionic tusk]

very potato'd, yes

[heavy geyser]

But yeah, the posts being all black with those bright white markings make the box magazine skins very clear to aim with.

[ionic tusk]

very strange how this one skin in particular is overly effected by worse models

oh I just noticed it gets way worse when not aiming down sights 💀

[heavy geyser]

concerning!!

Don't let Hadron see the state of your weapon.

I pulled this shot from another clip I had on hand of a curved magazine sight picture for comparison

The posts being shorter and the bulk of the gun sitting higher make it a bit less clear, but the dots and the front post is still there.

But you can see what I mean by "the other sights are better"

I'm a long-time advocate for the iron sights in this game. They're intuitive and they're a fun bit of texture to learn how to use.

The infantry autogun had a pretty unique front post and I learned that it works great if you put the post over center mass and let the muzzle lift raise a burst of fire right up into headshot height.

I was a big fan of the old Helbore sights and it was a bit sad to see them take the interesting character out of them.

[neat dew]

Might be because Fatshark didn't commission new designs for the Arbites? From what I heard a third party does all those purchasable cosmetics for them.

[drowsy vine]

The Helbore sights genuinely hurt my eyes to use and created a massive accessibility issue with the weapon

Glad they're gone

[frank igloo]

theres no reason why Fatshark wouldnt do that, its GW that shuts down that stuff because of how anal they are with cosmetics

[fierce marten]

I think most if not all cosmetics is from the codexes or inspired by novels

[sonic elbow]

I hope fatshark breaks from GW prison eventually
I love warhammer, FS makes great warhammer games, and they must be getting mad dosh for it

but I want to see what they'd do unconstrained

[fierce marten]

I wonder what IP theyd make if they made their own so no warhammer

[drowsy vine]

[sonic elbow]

what do you mean, this nurglite's pocket sandwich didn't break the 5 second rule

[drowsy vine]

huh

[shrewd kite]

how long does it usually take for the weapon customization mod to get updated in your experience?

i've been toying around with my vet bolter build again but i would strongly prefer choosing the sights on it

oh hey, aquilas for an event, that's nice

[fierce marten]

Leeets goooo

[ionic tusk]

yippie

also a lot of unexpected qol in this update! like showing more info about the strike team's blitz/ammo resources

[slender shell]

Event also gives aquillas

[ionic tusk]

#1079236212239384597 message looks like there's already a temp fix for it made?

also for the modloader itself

also in that channel there's a pinned message with the known broken mods (the devs warned the modders early)

[cyan depot]

It’s usually like a day but sometimes they’re faster ime

[drowsy tusk]

When can I give shat fark my money

[drowsy vine]

8 minutes from this message

[drowsy tusk]

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[drowsy tusk]

Lies

LIES AND DECEIT

AAAAAAAAAAAA

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-run-naked-funny-gif-18082679885906165021

[ionic tusk]

(steamdb)

[drowsy vine]

Oop

[dawn totem]

Can confirm. It goes so well with Assail.

[drowsy tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-shaking-man-man-kneeling-on-floor-shaking-head-rapidly-gif-12322523697175037182

[drowsy tusk]

Porchaced, at appointment rn but soon as I get back tide time

[flint moss]

its out babeyy

[uneven turret]

already bought it

those autopistols recoil like mad

[spiral badger]

lol his name is raximillian dragor

[cyan depot]

Hell yea

[uneven turret]

anyone playing at this exact time i need a party

[signal locust]

what were they thinking

dude

Dude.

not even zealot got 15 sprint angle they got 5 and then they removed it

[cyan depot]

https://tenor.com/view/sickos-sicko-haha-yes-creeper-gif-25057805

[spiral badger]

move fast, dont' get shot

[cyan depot]

Just press buttons good for 25-35 minutes straight and you’re invincible

Perfect class really

[flint moss]

note: actually attacking may require you to press different buttons than the not dying buttons

[sacred pagoda]

I think I’m gonna stick with Arbitrator.

[mortal crystal]

Run and Gun is on by default on the Dual Autopistols

So

Not really

[flint moss]

https://tenor.com/view/sickos-sicko-haha-yes-creeper-gif-25057805

[mortal crystal]

Note there are like 5 toughness nodes on the entire tree, most of which are buried

You get the OP dodging nodes because if you get hit you go splat

[flint moss]

https://tenor.com/view/emu-otori-emu-otori-celebrate-gif-16855907592873369036

[cyan depot]

reviving holy revenant discourse voice this seems OP

No wasted dots

[drowsy tusk]

Less holy revenant more the psyker dodge when you crit

[lost cave]

I don't think it's a surprise to anyone that the Dual SMGs are very good at turning hordes into chum.

[soft summit]

It's Scum day

Time to Scum out

[tough compass]

A ganger's best friend is someone who's dead

[drowsy tusk]

<@&1042950387478560878> JOIJ MEEE

[flint moss]

it is time

[ionic tusk]

eh they have some decent looking ones to start

[dawn totem]

I need to make a rule to give "Quick Game," a long break.

[ionic tusk]

precision violence in particular is like the ogyrn/arbites "I hit stuff and don't even have to kill it" talents

[dawn totem]

It's becoming the "Have a bad time," button for me. 😓

[ionic tusk]

imo only do quick play if you think you can solo for several minutes on that difficulty

or have a friend in your strike team you trust

[dawn totem]

For real. Otherwise, it leaves me feeling very frusterated over the whole game.

[regal pendant]

How's Hive Scum feel to play as

[spiral badger]

squishy but fast

[regal pendant]

I unfortunately can't give it a shot because my fucking OS is garbage and doesn't work with Nvidia drivers

[tough compass]

Given how it just came out, people might not have much direct experience yet (since level 1 and 30 can be pretty different)

[ionic tusk]

😔

[spiral badger]

yeah but literally just talking baselien stats

really low toughness, average hp, great stamina and stamina regen

[ionic tusk]

though u need a fairly high level to get the big bonuses anyways

psyker with slightly more crit chance, speed, and double stamina regen

[cyan depot]

This class was made for me huh

Psyker is my current favorite

But I don’t love how slow they are

[ionic tusk]

a lot of upgrades over psyker, only downgrade is (melee?) toughness damage taken while dodging

[cyan depot]

Psyker pays a lot of prices for infinite bullets

[ionic tusk]

yes

tho hive scum is probably also paying some of that price with their talents and ability

[ionic tusk]

(also, you can usually attack while sliding even without something like that)

[dawn totem]

Any suggestions on having an easier, less stressful time when it comes to playing Darktide? Would turing down the difficulty be better. Or would it be ideal to play with friends?

[ionic tusk]

playing with someone you trust to have your back is the most reliably way imo
turning down the difficulty/making really resilient builds/avoiding quickplay and picking missions with no modifiers also help

[cyan depot]

An actual semi-organized group makes things a lot less stressful

[dawn totem]

All of those are great suggestions, thanks.

A quickplay is a bad place to test out your more sniper Vet build.

[cyan depot]

Yeah quickplay is kind of a grinder

You want generalist stuff since you don’t know what you’ll be with

[regal pendant]

Aye

Why I like my electrokinetic psyker, she's good for most any situation with only a few nominal weaknesses

Most notably being dealing with random snipers on the other end of the map

But even then I run bubble shield so

[cyan depot]

Lightning staff lmb is also at least credible for snipers

[spiral badger]

i'm comfortable playing quickplay but I play havoc 40 so it's like, quickplay whatever is not gonna phase me

[cyan depot]

Sometimes the stagger makes the follow up shots miss but otherwise it’s a pixel accurate gun

[spiral badger]

come along guy who keeps dying to chaff, I'll drag your carcass along if I have to

[regal pendant]

...god I wanna play Darktide

[dawn totem]

Too many times lately I've quick played only to almost immediately tpk

[ionic tusk]

I've died before I even gained control at least twice (physics impulses bypass immunity I think)

though both of those times other people joining at the same time clutched lel

[ionic tusk]

pat pat

[sonic elbow]

I wonder what your time spent actually vulnerable would be with the dodge talents and agile on a tac axe

[ionic tusk]

anyone want to grind the new mission? probably starting in a lower difficulty and moving to auric

[ionic tusk]

you don't need dodge talents to agile dodge spam, but it'd probably be better yeag

[sonic elbow]

plus hive scum can probably juice the axe pretty well even with one blessing spent on agile

[ionic tusk]

iirc the main problem with agile spam is getting stuck in enemies

[marsh gyro]

Yeah only so much room around a crusher ball

[tough compass]

I guess you need the trust that high so that the Inquisition is willing to let you setup a stimm lab on the Mourningstae

[tough compass]

Playing with friends is also good because you have someone to commiserate/make jokes with even if you don't actually succeed any more

I hate myself and always do quick play when by myself. But also I take great joy when people rage quit when they die but the team manages to squeak out a win anyways

[marsh gyro]

Bot clutch never gets old

[worldly talon]

Best way to tell if you have a good team

They respond to Ogryn roleplay

In chat

[drowsy tusk]

tru

[flint moss]

i tried ogryn rp once and got no responses :(

some of the team said they were "directionally challenged" after struggling to navigate an area
so i said "dont worry, ogryn loves directions. got some from melk"

[sonic elbow]

I often quickplay with another friend and we coined the term ablative teammates for this game and others

people who ragequit and get replaced by a fresh body

[flint moss]

lmao

[fierce marten]

Rannick said no drug lab until you kill some more guys

[sacred pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-sad-sad-face-so-sad-sorry-gif-8188975142376504879

[clear ridge]

IF THIS MF GETS 15 ZEALOT DESERVES ITS 5 BACK

[fierce marten]

Tbf hive scum has a lot less get out of jail free cards

They hardly have any TDR, getting hit is pretty bad

Unless you go middle tree and spec into melee it kind of gets tough but moreso like new psyker tough

[soft summit]

So how is the Hive Scum so far

[flint moss]

glass cannon that goes fast to not die

[shrewd kite]

i feel like basically every talent inbetween the blitz and the aura is near-mandatory, the shit it does for your dodge looks crazy, taken together

[flint moss]

desperado makes your reloads regenerate ammo and you unlock the double barrel shotgun almost imediately

[fierce marten]

Stim crate if you want to be support