#dark tidings (Darktide for people in the searchbar)

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fierce marten
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For all intents and purposes you can never be trusted - Leandros

spiral badger
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or maybe, he's a blank but it's been focused to only bother leandros

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single target aura

fierce marten
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I think it is an actual noctilith

sonic elbow
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blanks in tabletop have a thing about them that makes people dislike them irrationally

spiral badger
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yes

fierce marten
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Its just weirdly pylon shaped

sonic elbow
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maybe Leandros is just in tune with his heart or smth

spiral badger
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there's something Disconcerting about them

fierce marten
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And you control it with a small pylon

spiral badger
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that manifests as some form of physical repulsion

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Jurgen for example is just Gross

fierce marten
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Thats separate from the blank thing though

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Jurgen is just gross

spiral badger
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is it? or is it a manifestation of the repulsion that he also just gave up on fixing?

fierce marten
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Also being a blank people dislike them

spiral badger
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that's the fun part of blanks

cyan depot
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Or is he not even gross but perceived that way cause he’s an abomination?

spiral badger
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the reasoning is fundamentally irrational

fierce marten
cyan depot
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We need a sister of silence to verify or something

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Maybe a Tau

spiral badger
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jurgen's met tau

ionic tusk
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do blanks also find each other disgusting

spiral badger
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but they were too polite to comment one way or another

cyan depot
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Expected tbh

fierce marten
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Also its wild how often Jurgen saves Cain out of the blue considering people would be just hostile to Jurgen mostly if he went off on his own

spiral badger
fierce marten
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He just is an expert at dodging the haters

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Blank as a new class but friendly fire is on only to them /s

drowsy tusk
# ionic tusk do blanks also find each other disgusting

No, a lot of the talents of the emperor talks about how the blanks find each other’s company very pleasant because they don’t repel each other and also the custodian guard are sort of immune to it just because they’re so psychically resistant among other things yada yada

fierce marten
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Custodes best friends with sisters of silence

tough compass
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It's kind of weird how good it is in Kill Team but how lackluster it is in 40k

cyan depot
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Yeah

spring lynx
fierce marten
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Tzeench giving Titus monsterous warp resistance cause its funny to mess with him and Leandros

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Also somehow made Calgar suffer a bit more

opaque crown
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i just enjoyed in the secret level anim that the daemon didn't get the clue when that one bladeguard leader's greatest fear was the guy behind him potentially going bad

spring lynx
fierce marten
# spring lynx

Me with how sisters of battle just ignore blackstone with the power of the emperor

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Although its funny when necrons were like, wtf how is she using warp powers in the nullfield

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Theres dozens of pylons

mint yew
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the game has come down pretty hard on the side of "faith powers are their own non-warpy things" lately, yeah

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it was kind of ambiguous until the Dark Imperium series and Pariah Nexus had saints and SOB just casually shrugging off nulls and anti-psyker tech

clear ridge
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i admit i'm not a huge fan of that

cyan depot
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There is a long history to… whatever the fuck SoB do messing with blanks

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There’s a part in the old Daemonifuge comic where Ephrael Stern blows out a Culexus Assassin with too much power for it to handle

hushed glade
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Because that's directly counter to everything with Celestine

worldly talon
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Honestly, I'm just excited to Eschermax

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sacred pagoda
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Corvus Corax is an Imperial Daemon, right? I seem to remember that being a thing.

worldly talon
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No

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He's just apparently mutated

sacred pagoda
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burd

hushed glade
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Corvus is just moreso now

sacred pagoda
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beourd

soft summit
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Do we know how the Hive Scum got involved with Grendyl

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Im also very curious how they'll interact with the Arbites

opaque crown
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Nah we don't, at least not yet, and might be more accurate to day got involved with grendyls operation

drowsy tusk
opaque crown
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We've never even met grendyl at max level

drowsy tusk
soft summit
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Ye I can see it

drowsy tusk
flint moss
worldly talon
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I mean it's an old Inferno! cover.

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So early 00's

heavy geyser
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I suspect the storyline is the Hive Scum are who Zola kept sneaking down to the surface to coordinate with. The story leads you to think she keeps going after Wolfer, with Morrow giving her the secret flight record redactions etc.

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Zola is the Mourningstar's resident ex-ganger

opaque crown
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do the necromundan hive gangs and houses get into tangles with the arbites or do they generally avoid that kind of problem because they can be plenty profitable without disrupting the tithe?

worldly talon
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Not the Arbites

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Generally

flint moss
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i think the hive scum are cartel dissidents who want to un-nurgle the underhive

worldly talon
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Necromunda is the sort of planet where there's an 'Authorized Gang Violence Quotient'

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ANd houses trying to kill one another is seen as right and proper

flint moss
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planet-scale crime is typically handled by the planet's officials, internally

worldly talon
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With Necromunda that's the Palatinite Enforcers

flint moss
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so as long as nobody reputable dies in the underhive nobody really cares

worldly talon
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Who are NOT Arbites

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But they're basically all Janissaries for House Helmawr

fierce marten
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Locally sourced scum

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My bet is Grendyl gets desperate to reach the bottom of Atoma cause whatever leverage he has over the Arbites Marshall is wearing thin and the Arbites are ready to march an army to Wolfer so with time he gives a ton of space wealth to Water Cartel to basically bolster manpower (few rejects few) and to navigate the deeper underhive

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He already gangpressed arbites death row prisoners, what's a few scum

drowsy tusk
fierce marten
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Grendyl pretty reliably scoured that arbites prison ship after all the guards were killed

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If any escaped it'd be extremely few of them

spiral badger
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also normal gangers aren't gonna be on an arbites prison ship, not in number

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they would have been remanded to local custody or just shot

opaque crown
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I kind of imagine a completely seperate war is being fought by hive scum against the cultists and invaders, and that they're being tapped as a resource by the inquisition

fierce marten
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There is I assume

spiral badger
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yeah we see the ongoing aftermath of that conflict on multiple missions

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the water cartel is in conflict with the dregs and scabs

opaque crown
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m thought process is tha the hive ganger is just already on atoma and being recruited because they have ground level knowledge of the hive; better than the enforcers and so on

fierce marten
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The gangs of Atoma have most decimated by moe 6 and cultists but they're not all dead, particularly water cartel.

spiral badger
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any time you see a purple clad corpse on a mission it's a water cartel guy

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who presumably went down fighting the dregs or scabs moving in

fierce marten
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Which considering cultist have beasts of nurgle, plague Ogyrn, military elites and gear from moe 6, and apparently dozens of daemonhost to leave on the streets. The gangs got something keeping them alive

opaque crown
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the daemonhost problem is actually funny to me, considering how rare they are supposed to be and how difficult that process is supposed to be

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and we can encounter one pretty much every run

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if not more

fierce marten
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Iirc they're botched daemonhosts

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It's not supposed easy to break their bonds like that

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My guess is they're like experiments for the Ritual

spiral badger
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yeah the difficulty is generally maintaining control of the daemonhost

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if you don't give a shit then it's a lot easier

fierce marten
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Also getting daemons into the host, you kind of usually have to trick them or do a strenuous odd ritual for each

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Admonition is pumping them out like candy

spiral badger
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The host must first be inscribed with certain marks, runes and wardings to prepare it for the entrapment of a daemon. The sigils involved are largely unknown, but an essential rune called the "Rune of Voiding" must be inscribed on the chest of the host in order to empty it of any previous souls so that the daemon can be effectively contained. Apparently, this rune is sometimes ignored, as in certain occasions, the original host's mind endured. Radical Inquisitors with the resources would also string the host with chains, padlocks, amulets, and other bindings as to ensure the daemon's obedience.[3]

Once all the preparations are made, the Incantations of Binding, the Litany of Servitus, and the Wards of Entrapment must be spoken, along with the final sealing words: "In servitutem abduco, I bind thee fast forever into this host." Note that only these were mentioned by Inquisitor Eisenhorn in his logs, and that other rites might have been involved.[1]

If not all of the special preparations have been made, i.e. a hasty on-the-spot binding, the severe trauma of the process might be inflicted on the daemonhost, ensuring that it remains docile and unresponsive for several days.

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sounds kinda like case 3

fierce marten
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If there's one thing daemons hate it is not having control, they would not likely willingly possess a Daemon host knowing it's going to be under someone's control

spiral badger
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just kinda doing a shitty half ass binding, toss the traumatized body out in the way of annoying interlopers

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wander off

fierce marten
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It's an odd thing to do, most of the time you want daemonhost under your control and not just freely doing whatever

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Which if they never attack the cult or moe 6 so maybe they got it right

opaque crown
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I was gonna say that a daemonhost can be exceptionally powerful, but then I realized that Cherubael might be more powerful than your average host

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dude merc'd a titan

fierce marten
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Admonition certainly is a competent cult, most cults can barely summon a Daemon into reality let alone dozens of beast of nurgle

opaque crown
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i like to imagine that they arent summoning all that many and gameplay kinda dictates them for us

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otherwise we should be seeing nurglings and such around too

fierce marten
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Maybe admonition is very picky

spiral badger
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Average reject sees 0 beasts of nurgle. "Thunderhammers" Georg was an outlier and should not be counted

fierce marten
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That's probably 1 of the 4 who did the Carnival

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Actually there's zealot woman with a thunderhammer on the art that has 4 rejects

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She's 1 of the 12 (minus arbites)

opaque crown
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oh is the carnival like a bigger canonical event with a specific set of canonical characters who participated?

fierce marten
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Wolfer learns that during the Carnival that his lieutenants are struggling to kill 4 rejects and he gets upset for why the entire moebian 6 can't kill just 4 ruffians in rags

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Mind you the moebian 23 and the other I forgot and the remaining rejects numbering in the thousands did join in on this, it's just 4 notable ones solo'd bum rushed the fortified position to the center of it to stop it

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Most rejects died during this leading to severe manpower issues for grendyl

heavy geyser
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The Carnival is what they call the recreation district

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It's the space Dickens tileset with the neon lights and pub cellars and the fancy battle music.

fierce marten
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Jasper Kyd's music survived to the 41st millennium

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Blasting out the vox

tough compass
fierce marten
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We're canonically cracked

opaque crown
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im pretty sure the players' characters are putting out space marine numbers and pace

fierce marten
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More if its 4 unnamed generic space marines

worldly talon
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I imagine the Darktide ones aren't near that level

fierce marten
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Daemonhost vary a lot by the host and daemon

clear ridge
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is there a "canon" configuration of bozos?

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like one of each base class

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or, with the release of dlc characters, have they gone "nah not anymore"

marsh gyro
fierce marten
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Each personality is a character

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Iconic 4 are well 4 of 12

acoustic wharf
fierce marten
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Did you miss most of this chat glazing hive scum

mortal crystal
wintry plaza
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I saw some here discussing if the water cartel will be connected to the new class

fierce marten
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Ooooo

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So you can be not water cartel

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I wonder if it's just local gangs or they be getting off world ones

wintry plaza
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Probably local

shrewd kite
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If we're playing as an atoman I wonder if there's going to be an option to play as someone from the other hive cities

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That's a plot point that hasn't come up in a while

fierce marten
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I think 2 other hives were mentioned in dialogue during a mission

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Like one fell and one is fighting it up like Tertium

spiral badger
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no only one other is ever mentioned

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"the other hive city, the one that nobody likes to talk about"

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some people theorize there must be a 3rd because of the name "tertium"

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which implies it's the 3rd

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primary, secondary, tertiary

heavy geyser
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You'd think you should be able to see the second hive city from space, but what if it's underground.........???

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That's how Krieg works, isn't it?

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The surface is inhospitable without the weather stabilizers, like you see in the Hourglass.

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If there's another city and you can't literally see it from space, that would imply it's underneath all the sand?

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or a layered stack of hive iterations like in Portal 2, but that's how normal hives already work, isn't it?

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beneath Tertium is just Older Tertium.

fierce marten
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Probably just on the other side of the ship is parked

heavy geyser
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You have a big green hologram map of the whole planet and you can't find the other city?

fierce marten
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Maybe it's just not mapped or much more likely an oversight

shrewd kite
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they don't let the rejects have internet

haughty ember
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Valhalla is all under ice for instance

fierce marten
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Search history of shared rejects terminal

  • what to get for my beloved
  • ratshuns pics
  • how to diss cadia
  • defending cadia's name reddit
  • how to rizz up tech priest
  • why tummy hurt
  • where to buy stims
  • how to get nurgle goo out of clothes
tender kernel
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finally, the Necromunda class

shrewd kite
sacred pagoda
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Does anyone want to help me get my Ogryn through Damnation with less pain?

clear ridge
fierce marten
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Awww yes sideways dual wielding.
From the dlc preview on the steam page

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clear ridge
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the only way

foggy panther
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I mean even base game they refused to give us good hairstyles

sonic elbow
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tbh the game is really oddly dripless considering how good the NPC/enemy design is

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in general they've dropped the ball on the presentation because I Suppose The Story Is There, the cutscenes are the biggest nothingburgers I've ever seen, idk

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it's a really strange downgrade from vermintide

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if tide games have no defenders I am dead but my first "playthrough" experience was just escalating "huh???" at every moment that was not gameplay

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the traitor arc qualifies for some sort of award

ionic tusk
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I think the traitor arc is okay but not like, as a one off story
it's meant to be watched 4 times as you level each class and notice the traitor more and more with each subsequent rewatch as an unfolding easter egg- which makes it hold up better if you do it 4 times back to back than if it was a fuller narrative

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it is kinda ruined now by the campaign which drowns you in cutscenes after each mission and fasttracks you through the mission story before it makes sense, and does suffer from the 'replaying it is ass' the circle of trust cutscenes sacrificed so much to avoid

ionic tusk
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I will admit there are some strange ass moments that serve no purpose like metozi, who has no vendor, calling you and then asking you wtf you're doing bothering her

brave kestrel
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My technoarchaeologist oneshot a deathwatch marine this week

sonic elbow
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the circle of trust cutscenes being specifically you are being summoned to the bridge instead of implying you were just walking around are comical

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because it means they called you specifically to tell you to fuck off

ionic tusk
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it's not even the bridge for that one
you get explicitly summoned to the hanger to get told to fuck off

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which makes it feel even weirder
why are you being summoned to the hangar

opaque crown
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I do think they dropped the ball on coherently presenting a story. You get the sense of there being an extra layer to it that didn't get implemented maybe

ionic tusk
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also: just had until death backfire and instantly kill a guy almost twice in the same mission (they got saved the second time)

they didn't go down but were trappered so poxwalkers got to hit them for the entire until death duration, doing no damage but still adding corruption
which was really funny
(they also had the aura to remove corruption but that doesn't work fast enough to matter)

shrewd kite
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i mean there's been isolated incidents like rolling steel and a whole bunch of other people who have showed up to yell at us, but not really any advancement of the plot

marsh gyro
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2 years and we stole a lotta drugs and stopped a ritual yeah

sacred pagoda
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I had a guy bitching in voice chat about getting taken down by a dog and how we weren’t playing the game as a team… when he lagged behind the other three players and was constantly getting lost and knocked down. My brother in the Emperor (beloved by all) you’re the one who wasn’t with 75% of the team.

sonic elbow
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to be slightly fair I blame people who lag behind less than people who rush

fierce marten
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Yea if you rush you should only rush slightly ahead.
Cause if you're in the next room your team is basically 1 down and struggling so you're contributing to them being slow cause you're not killing enemies that are spawning for them.
Slightly ahead means you're killing enemies they're about to run into so it's easier for them to move forward once they kill their current.

ionic tusk
marsh gyro
ionic tusk
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the campaign tries to tie it together into a coherent narrative but I think it fails because the game is meant to focus around repeatable events
you Do The Thing 50 times because it's the imperium which is inefficient and stuck in endless war

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oh it's Tuesday time to stop wolfer from discovering the secrets of moebian steel again at the overheating manufactorum!

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then on wednesday, lets go to the interzone void to make 1 pound of moebian steel with the knowledge wolfer doesn't have, eventually we'll get enough to build a hammer or maybe even a tank!

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a lot of missions double down on this repeatability and aren't an arc

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which I personally like

marsh gyro
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Yeah the multiple handlers give variety to the chatter you don't see in like an EDF game where it's the same each time

ionic tusk
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even the handlers have multiple lines for each point in the mission

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imo the only missions that don't make sense to repeat at all are karnak twins, rolling steel (but only because dukane is unaware in each of them), and dark communion

marsh gyro
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It would be very Nurgle to try to keep doing ressurection rituals on the same corpse

ionic tusk
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I guess maybe rannick is so focused on looking incompetent that he also decided to forget that he sent operatives to find something out

spiral badger
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those are also the missions without multiple handlers and more scripted dialogue

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which makes sense too

ionic tusk
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(referencing my "it would be funny if it was true" conspiracy theory that rannick is intentionally looking dumb in dark communion to fool someone, because man he is really heavy handed with bad choices in that one)

spiral badger
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honestly I think at this point everyone has lost trust in grendyl

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especially rannick

ionic tusk
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dark communion is specifically rannick going "I know everything, you have prepared", zola going "we really, really haven't" and then rannick standing around dumbfounded about not knowing everything

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also he displays a degree of hypocrisy and zola makes an insulting snide remark back
but he doesn't even catch it and responds genuinely

ionic tusk
spiral badger
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the mortis trials reveal btw that rannick has never met grendyl in person

marsh gyro
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Rannick's day job is shooting people in front of crowds, the inquisiting is more of a dalliance

spiral badger
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nox alpha specifically he was instructed to send morrow there disguised as a mobian soldier

cyan depot
spiral badger
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which is actually causing problems for morrow now because he was hidden among the 53rd and some of them recognize him

ionic tusk
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🤔 I think I might be getting the timeline mixed up

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ough

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is mortis in order?

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like within the same mission

spiral badger
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yes

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each "chapter" is in chrono order

ionic tusk
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because I could have sworn wolfer talked to him before he killed the khorne worshipper, which had to have been before he got ice'd because that was why the inquisitor wanted him

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but I'm probably stitching the order together in my head wrong

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because wolfer would have to be ancient then

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tho he is probably nurgle empowered

spiral badger
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no way lol

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wolfer is native

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he's never been on armageddon

soft summit
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Also he's likely Zola's brother

fierce marten
opaque crown
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refrencing back, but i do also think that theres no excuse to leave a teammate behind who is pounced unless theres just no way to get to them. I've seen many a team just not notice a teammate get pounced and walk off or away; its like they play with blinders on

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It's such a simple status to remove if you're even remotely in range of one another

spiral badger
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Its everyone's responsibility to keep rough track of where all teammates are

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Especially in higher diff where enemies can spawn behind you and pin a rear guard in position

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Ive seen multiple havoc games lost because 3/4 kept pushing forward while the guy st the rear struggled and pinged the 5 crushers that spawned in from a side room

ionic tusk
spiral badger
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And then when they got sandwiched and died they were like "but where did those come from"

opaque crown
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yeah I have a constant issue where the rearguard (often me) is handling a horde in the back, but the front, because they've cleared, just keeps walking and has no regard for what's going on behind them

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which ups the risk factor for specials

sacred pagoda
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They were inaccessible, or I would’ve gone back for them.

spiral badger
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Ups the risk factor in general, moving forward triggers spawns

ionic tusk
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I've definitely had a lot of pubs who act like they are the group that should be stuck with

opaque crown
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When im in voice comms, all I need them to do is tell me they're moving forward, so that I can tell them I need assistance in the back or I risk getting damaged to get to them

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but its not hard to loop back for a clear pass

ionic tusk
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and I've learned that splitting to help them is a bad idea because they will make no attempt to stick with you in return, so it'd just be a group of 1, 1, and 2 instead of a group of 1 and a group of 3

opaque crown
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no need to risk getting booty smacked by a loose pox walker

spiral badger
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Yeah its a twofold responsibility

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You need to try to stick with the group but also everyone needs to maintain awareness

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Because sometimes some will need to rush ahead or hang back to do something

sacred pagoda
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This guy was just constantly either rushing forward or falling behind while the other three of us were stuck together virtually the entire run. That’s the kind of player I’m criticizing here.

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And I wouldn’t even have brought it up if he hadn’t had the temerity to yell at us about it.

ionic tusk
opaque crown
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i was finding myself quite annoyed in aurics to find the occassional player or team who simply didn't notice when I was pounced and left. Which I get it, mistakes happen, but we're in Aurics, you should notice that kind of thing

ionic tusk
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I honestly mostly notice because I have mods

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and one of the mods I have changes the status icon in the corner when pounced to a bright purple dog

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otherwise it's just a red exclamation mark, which is much easier to miss and very similar to the orange-yellow exclamation mark, which is just someone grabbed by a mutant for no damage 90% of the time

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when I get pounced myself not in immediate view of my team I often have to type "dog" in chat a few times for people to notice

spiral badger
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I find that mindset hard to understand honestly, my eyes are constantly glancing to the UI to check for red

sacred pagoda
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Discussing video games like this is always interesting because it shows how differently people can process more or less the same information.

spiral badger
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it's the fighting gamer in me

marsh gyro
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Darktide does have a heck of a lot going on at once to the point sound channels can't keep up

spiral badger
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You Gotta Watch Your Meters

marsh gyro
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I'm shocked any of the rejects have functioning ears after a sortie

spiral badger
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they're using earpro

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otherwise the bolter would deafen all of them permanently :v

marsh gyro
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Oh do the comms beads also come with sound dampening? Nicely done

spiral badger
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I mean they have to be or we'd all be permanently deaf from firing our own guns

opaque crown
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That's the thing, the ogryn cant hear, he's just been going on vibes the whole time

sacred pagoda
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Administratum says your hearing loss isn’t service related.

fierce marten
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The administrator also is like by the throne guardsman, how are you claiming retirement benefits

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Retiring as a guardsman is a miraculous event

heavy geyser
ionic tusk
ionic tusk
spiral badger
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everyone's brain works different, again, I have been trained to constantly monitor the corners of the screen by fighting games

worldly talon
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I, for one, can't wait for two weeks from now when we have a month of Four Ganger Parties

spiral badger
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I'm going to name mine GangGang

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and we're gonna be GangGang's Gang Gang

fierce marten
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I have 2 weeks to make a pun name

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Arbite's named Sesbian Lex would be hard to beat

flint moss
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Alca Ponus

heavy geyser
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ConfessedArsonist

worldly talon
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All of my names are 'in-character'

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I didn't go for joke names

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Except my Arbites' dog is named 'Leman'

shrewd kite
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i wanna know what the personality archetypes are gonna be for them now

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like, what's the cynical/subversive personality gonna be for someone who's already a criminal?

clear ridge
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optimism

shrewd kite
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hive scum who's really dedicated to turning things around and sees signing up for the inquisition on the first step of their new life

heavy geyser
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The charming con man

crystal sluice
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saul goodman personality

spring lynx
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"What is the charge? A succulent corpse starch meal?!"

drowsy tusk
fierce marten
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I am once again going to choose the most insane sounding personality

fierce marten
worldly talon
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I'm predicting like

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  • Survivor - "Gotta do what you can to stay alive" kind of personality. It is what it is. I didn't choose this life, but I'm gona live it.

  • Charmer - Sees themselves as a dashing rogue. Probably enjoys needling the straight-laced party members. Very Kal Jerico coded.

  • Psychopath - "I FUCKING LOVE DOING STIMS AND MURDERING PEOPLE!"

fierce marten
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I'm expecting one of them to be rather "altruistic", I'm doing good by not being a part of the system and contributing to it. Or "I'm providing a service that people want but the imperium keeps away"

neat dew
spiral badger
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snag it

fierce marten
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Nice, they're also getting a new update

slender shell
spiral badger
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the bounty hunter

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Gonna just make one and keep going "hmm."

Bhskin1.webp
clear ridge
#

meaningless violence and disregard for human life

#

every time

drowsy tusk
slender shell
#

Im still probably picking that voice

drowsy tusk
#

Same lol

fierce marten
#

Terrifying woman autopick

cyan depot
#

Stop stop I was already thinking of that one

spiral badger
#

dear fatshark

#

please make sure there's a build that's good with the rooty tooty revolver

#

I wish to play outlaw and declare that it's time to duel

fierce marten
#

They have dual stub pistols

#

We'll see if we get generic weapons on scum

ionic tusk
#

unironically fanning the hammer might be great if you're not spending ammo and more of them are proccing hand cannon

drowsy tusk
#

I mean stub revolver is a staple of necromunda ganger I expect to die rapidly but might as well give em something

#

So I’d be disappointed if not available

marsh gyro
#

They shoulda gave the pysker a 1/1000 chance of finger guns for the brain burst animation

fierce marten
#

Accompied with Jimmy neutron blast brain audio

drowsy tusk
#

Only if there’s also a 1/1000 to play the dawn of war winter assault WITNESS YOUR DEWWWWWWWMMMMM

#

When smite

sacred pagoda
#

People still play Warham Verisimilitude?

thick rivet
#

Ye

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It's a pretty cult-classic popular game

fierce marten
#

It's getting an update

sonic elbow
#

it's a much tighter and more polished experience than darktide but darktide scratches my ADHD better

fierce marten
#

Same, more enemies and faster lights up all the senses

ionic tusk
#

darktide lets me play as a woman even if there are 2 other women in my squad
that's probably the biggest barrier for me trying to get into it, because I would only want to play 2 out of 5 mutually-exclusive-with-team characters heheho

marsh gyro
#

Yeah the character customization is why I stuck with Darktide

cyan depot
sonic elbow
#

two women is fine, but three? that's just ridiculous

fierce marten
#

3 women? In this economy?

#

I say we get sisters of battle so we got an all male class and an all female class

tough compass
#

Oh, lmao I was confused by the complaint too. Foiled by pronoun context confusion

fierce marten
#

Eldar mercenary and the only option is "Eldar"

clear ridge
#

oh right ogryns

#

i would be down with a femlocked class, but sisters of battle are way too high-profile imo

fierce marten
#

We got arbites so

clear ridge
#

true

spiral badger
#

the genuine plot problem with SofBs is that it needs to be some group that Grendyl has leverage over to avoid fucking up whatever the hell he thinks he's doing

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and SofBs are notoriously usually quite hard to uh, lessen the zeal of

ionic tusk
fierce marten
#

Ogyrns are gender locked

ionic tusk
fierce marten
#

Also like female Ogyrns are sort of cracked

ionic tusk
ionic tusk
clear ridge
ionic tusk
#

the best explanation I've seen on why: there are no fem!ogyrn minis for GW to sell, and minis > lore

clear ridge
#

alas, it do be like that...

ionic tusk
#

so clearly we need to psyops GW into printing fem!ogyrns into the wargame

clear ridge
#

i assume gw mandate like the inability to customize guns

fierce marten
ionic tusk
sonic elbow
fierce marten
#

And shelter themselves on the homeworld protected by legions of Ogyrns

#

And also much fewer in numbers

sonic elbow
clear ridge
fierce marten
clear ridge
#

or, sexism isn't the right word

fierce marten
#

Dimorphism?

clear ridge
#

nah i meant a word for weird vibes

#

it's just that sexism is the wrong one

sonic elbow
#

fantasy definitely has a sort of

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girl power but for the male audience

fierce marten
#

They yassified the repentia engine

sonic elbow
#

thing popping up sometimes

fierce marten
#

Oh and the Tyranids, women love Tyranids

opaque crown
#

It did occur to me, a sister's reject could be a thing, no? Just harder to carve out a unique niche between the zealot, vet, and arbites

spiral badger
#

a reject sister would be a repentia and they're managed directly by the SOBs

fierce marten
spiral badger
#

lore wise it would be easier to justify a full sister's assistance ala arbites than having random repentia around

fierce marten
#

Everyone said ganger is just cutthroat vet but crime and here we have a Hive Scum soon

sonic elbow
#

repentia and zealot matching each other's freak would be a sight to behold

fierce marten
ionic tusk
#

it is really funny every class is compared to vet

fierce marten
#

No class can have guns but vet

sonic elbow
#

the problem with implementing a non repentia SOB is that you'd need a pretty "high level" one to bring anything new to the table, and they wouldn't be caught dead working with us

#

but they can always add a canon event or smth

fierce marten
#

Arbite's came because Atoma is fucked and that affected tithes.
SoB could be Atoma is more fucked and they heard about a rampant chaos cult and want in on it

ionic tusk
fierce marten
#

Grendyl does his thing and finds a way to leverage something on SoB so they don't march an army like he did with arbites

ionic tusk
#

if you could bring in a low level SOB
just make a new zealot voice
bundle a bunch of voices together into a dlc across several classes
boom

of course they'll make this a microtransaction and it will totally ruin it, but

spiral badger
fierce marten
#

Arbite's wouldn't cooperate either

#

Grendyl has dirt

spiral badger
#

he actually doesn't

#

the mortis trials reveal the dirt is basically just that the arbites feel extremely guilty about letting it get this bad in the first place

fierce marten
#

The Provost Marshall wanted to march and army in and Grendyl prevented they but they're eager to resolve it ASAP with violence

ionic tusk
#

morrow tells them it's their fault and they go "yeah that's what's protecting you"

spiral badger
#

and thus are willing to commit to any level of embarrassing allies as long as it lets them get the situation back under control

ionic tusk
#

my theory as to why they didn't act sooner is they were hoping that grendyl would solve the problem for them and they wouldn't have to deal with the consequences of it getting that bad because the focus would have been on grendyl fixing it rather than how it got to that

spiral badger
#

the provost marshal wanted to march in every arbites he had and basically rannick just went "yeah uh, that's not gonna be enough"

#

"do you want to win or what?"

#

and they begrudgingly agreed that the only hope is to cooperate

fierce marten
#

If Fatshark can make arbites cooperate they can write a way to make SoB cooperate

spiral badger
#

the problem with sisters of battle is that they notoriously do not, in fact, do that

#

like, ever

fierce marten
#

They do, they cooperate with astartes often

spiral badger
#

they are one of the least compromising factions

fierce marten
#

And the guard

spiral badger
#

yes but never as subordinates

#

they take orders only from their own leadership

fierce marten
#

Same for arbites but their leadership says to cooperate

spiral badger
#

this is mandated in their founding code

#

they are explicitly separate from all other imperial arms of power

#

because of the nature of who they answer to

fierce marten
#

So are astartes and inquisitors

spiral badger
#

and even then when they're fighting alongside they do not uh, tend to play as a team

fierce marten
#

Like Rogue Trader has a SoB

clear ridge
#

yeah and we don't have an astarte either (and i'd be really upset if we did lol)

fierce marten
#

Canon 40k game with SoB as subordinate

clear ridge
#

rogue traders are also like

spiral badger
#

she is technically just your buddy that hangs out on the ship

#

who respects you

clear ridge
#

walk up to anything or anyone

fierce marten
#

She defers to you

clear ridge
#

"i own this now"

spiral badger
#

you do not canonically have the authority to give her direct orders

fierce marten
#

We have both a rogue trader and an inquisitor

clear ridge
#

and there are organizations that can say "no you don't fuck off"

#

but it always starts to be like

#

a political quagmire

fierce marten
#

Authority is measured by power in 40k

#

Part of the setting is the imperium hypocrisy

spiral badger
#

it would feel extremely contrived because the sisters of battle are an organization which will shoot an inquistor rather than listen if it isn't already something that goes in the direction they want to go

#

and they would probably get away with it

#

because they answer to a different hierarchy

fierce marten
#

Contrived in 40k writing?imagine that

#

Let's be real if GW wants a thing to happen they will write it in to happen

clear ridge
#

i mean yeah

#

still not fun to see happen, often

#

everything is for mini printing

fierce marten
#

Mechanicus are supposed to kill xenos yet Cawl worked with an Eldar and Necron

spiral badger
#

mechanicus are notoriously bad about the killing xenos thing

#

they get distracted a lot

fierce marten
#

You might say cawl is an exception, so why is this exception Canon but no others can be like SoB cooperating

spiral badger
#

like there are factions that are written as more compromising or hypocritical

#

and characters

#

and the problem is sisters of battle have been consistently written for decades as one of the most uncompromising, most dedicatedly faithful and non-hypocritical branches

fierce marten
#

Is it?

#

Sisters used to be written as immune to chaos corruption yet there's chaos SoB

#

Writing changes all the time

spiral badger
#

their flaws are exactly that - they don't cooperate well, they seek faith over smart decision making, and thus tend to die pointlessly a lot

#

there is literally 1 chaos sister of battle

#

and she's written as an absolute weirdo

fierce marten
#

Right so it's not absolute dogma a SoB must be this one way

spiral badger
#

she is the exception that proves the rule

#

in this entire faction this has only ever happened one time

fierce marten
#

I don't see why it'd prevent SoB from being a faction in darktide

#

If GW wills it then it will happen, they are a company wanting money in the end not some literary adherents

spiral badger
#

GW is actually notoriously lore-controlling in their spinoff games, including multiple documented instances of interfering with -tide games to avoid lore conflicts

#

if it breaks the lore it will not happen

fierce marten
#

You give GW too much credit as like omniscient lore absoluist, Space Marines 1 and 2 had inconsistencies

spiral badger
#

this is basic stuff though, numbers are going to be wrong, they're going to make mistakes, but the sisters lore has been the same for literally like 30 years

#

they don't play nice with others and they can't be forced

fierce marten
#

Dawn of war and mechanicus had things too

spiral badger
#

dawn of war the biggest thing was coming up with an excuse for everyone faction to be fighting and you'll note that the sisters needed basically no excuse

#

just "they want the thing that's here and they'll shoot anyone who gets in the way, even space marines"

#

They are the most fanatic faction

fierce marten
#

I'm saying there's lore inconsistencies in those

spiral badger
#

yes there are always inconsistencies, but those don't justify going against literally the basic premise of a faction

#

bending sisters of battle into any other shape is fighting a consistent characterization going back decades, is my point

#

it could be done but it would feel really wrong

#

it'd be like introducing an individual tyranid that's sentient

#

sure, there's no reason you couldn't write it, but it'd be really fucking weird

fierce marten
#

There feral Tyranids

spiral badger
#

feral is the opposite

fierce marten
#

And old one eye which is separated from the hive

fierce marten
spiral badger
#

yeah and it was a giant thing that everyone argued about for like 5 years

fierce marten
#

And Primaris marines

spiral badger
#

and it was a complete rewrite of the entire faction

clear ridge
#

i think this argument is probably going to keep going nowhere

fierce marten
#

Agreed

spiral badger
#

if sisters show up it'd be as like, a third party force that just causes a mess shooting at everybody present in the strike zone. or in other words, what they did in vermintide with the beastmen

#

fucking beastmen. worst part of vt2.

#

-man who has been hit by too many god damn javelins

opaque crown
spiral badger
#

why would a bunch of failed novitiates be here, a place that clearly does not have its own schola progenium

#

I mean I guess we could start receiving offsystem reinforcements but at that point the whole galaxy of possibility opens up for who could come help

#

and if that happens I'm not arguing against anything, at that point the reinforcements could be literally anything because Warp Travel

#

surprise a ship of 30,000s era troops falls out of the warp

#

but so far the premise has been, stated in the game, that we are on our own with the resources already in system

opaque crown
#

There are a million possible answers that a person could make up for novitiates, failed or otherwise, to be in system in or around a major production/hive world during the invasion. Including having already been there

spiral badger
#

if that changes my vote immediately goes to Put In Some Squats

#

(ok they're called the league of votann now but gimme my very short suit of power armor)

fierce marten
#

Votann when

opaque crown
#

Heck there are easy reasons for some amount of Sisters to be there without there needing to be a full monastery garrison or it to be a shrine world. The possibility is not so outrageous considering this takes place on a major hive world

#

And if we're wishing, wouldn't mind a Kroot mercenary

#

Even funnier would be an ork mercenary

fierce marten
#

Darktide xenos edition

#

Eldar cosair, kroot mercenary, grot, and for some reason Trazyn

spiral badger
#

No trazyn is already here, who do you think swagger is

#

:v

#

Dont think im not on to you you clearly out to steal something important ass motherfucker

fierce marten
#

You think so little of Trazyn
He already stole it before we got here

haughty ember
#

though I guess the squats aren't actually that short

fierce marten
#

Yea they're just slightly under average human size

#

They're just really wide so they seem short and are called squats

worldly talon
#

Still probably my favorite line in the game

#

All in the context and delivery

drowsy tusk
#

Oh no sweet brute these voices are inside my head followed by how do they all fit in there is an all-time great

worldly talon
#

I also love the one where the Loner psyker taunts the Agitator zealot's grammar

flint moss
#

"ur high gothic is ass, stop using third person singular for every verb"

fierce marten
#

Vet using guardsman slang
Arbites: none of these words are in the Lex

spiral badger
sonic elbow
#

guardsmen gotta be drilled more than the jokes suggest if they remember all the kraxis 2137 codenames

#

real soldiers with a life expectancy and chanceS to rehearse still default to THAT FUCKER

ionic tusk
#

tbf the vet personalities are

  • cadia
  • by the book
  • doesn't remember
#

cadia was exceptional and the by the book vets probably read callout codes as bedtime stories for ogyrns lmao

haughty ember
#

sometimes they die in droves and run away instantly, sometimes you have the mordians maintaining napoleonic line while being charged by horrible space gribblies

#

depends on what the writer needs

#

oh fun fact the mordian iron guard hail from the planet mordian

sonic elbow
#

I'm gonna mord

drowsy tusk
#

Mordian cosmetics for tide would be ver nice

worldly talon
#

“Deltacron… uuurgh, THE FLAMEY ONE”

fierce marten
#

It varies greatly based on planet of the tithe with like some being barely more than enforcers to the well known ones

#

It's just the cream of the crop from that world so quality varies quite a bit

ionic tusk
#

it doesn't have to be the cream of the crop right? 🤔 I remember reading a snippet once where some worlds send their undesirables while other worlds like cadia it's more revered a position

fierce marten
#

Well, they're supposed to send their best

#

Jopall sends indentured servants squads most in debt

neat dew
#

Or the Elysians.

haughty ember
worldly talon
#

I think you’re thinking of the Deathwatch for the whole “send the fuckups” thing

#

Because some chapters explicitly use it as a dumping ground and for others it’s an honor

#

Guard are supposed to be the best

#

But sometimes you just need sheer numbers

haughty ember
#

well there's the savlar chemdogs who are literally expendables

#

and the oldhammer conscript platoons

waxen patio
#

I do get very sick of the Veteran's stupid callout-codes for enemies. Entirely unhelpful "wow look so military"-isms that wouldn't even be useful in the Guard.

#

The only people who'd be using terminology like that are Mechanicus cogboys because that's how they do.

neat dew
#

thisisfine Love playing as an Arbitrator.

#

Looking forward to Hiver Scum though

fierce marten
#

I want to see what the evil hive scum has to say with arbites

#

I bet Fatalist might either get along and understand that in the end it doesn't matter in the imperium and it won't change for the better so they are kindred spirits

Or in a subversive way really really hate that hive scum despite being so pessimistic about the imperium, seeing them as what is entirely wrong with the imperium whether they follow the Lex or not.

ionic tusk
spiral badger
#

Only pro vet really does it and thats the boring choice anyway

#

There is actually a logic to it that you can use to gage what it means

#

Traxis- is humanoid targets in rough order of Commonality

#

Traxis1 being sniper, and going up from there

waxen patio
#

I personally don't like portrayals of the Imperial Guard (or most factions really) as being that inconveniently incompetent at their jobs. It's just totally nonsensical that there would be callout-codes like that, used like that, especially not by the boots on the ground. There's no brevity, and nobody has time in the middle of battle to remember what Traxis-Thirty-Three is versus other items.

spiral badger
#

Omega is demon shit

waxen patio
#

I'd accept it for cogboys to do that because they're computer-implanted and speak in beepboop static, they can convey that kind of information.

spiral badger
#

Ive always read it as all the veterans having a Coping Mechanism for being you know, veterans

#

The professional tries to keep things formal and stick to stupid procedures nobody else respects

heavy geyser
#

You don't want the enemy to know which of them you spotted.

spiral badger
#

The loose cannon is a hedonistic nihilist

#

The cadian... has already kind of lost it tbh

#

Oh, gamma always means buster and sigma always means dog

heavy geyser
#

Traxis-66 is the Trapper, just listen for xis-six-six and you know the devil is afoot

spiral badger
#

Its 77 actually

heavy geyser
#

oh right. 66 is flamer

#

the devil is afoot

spiral badger
#

Basically honestly the higher the Traxis callout the more of a disabler it is

waxen patio
#

it doesn't help out-of-character because my head isn't up my ass and I'm looking around for enemies, and it doesn't help in-character because sometimes not even the veteran can remember what callout to use for a thing, nobody has any idea what they're talking about, and by the time they finish calling out some six-syllable code and anyone figures out what it's referring to the threat is already being a problem

spiral badger
#

No, the guy who actually uses the callout remembers all of them fine

#

The professional vets are consistent

marsh gyro
#

"TRAXIS SOMETHING SOMETHING... SNIPER!!"

waxen patio
#

there is specifically one line I know exists- yeah

spiral badger
#

The loose cannon occasionally tries to do a callout and forgets

#

Because they dont actually care

#

The professional vet never gets their callouts incorrect

waxen patio
#

All this to say I think it could (should) be axed and the game would ever so slightly be improved by it.

spiral badger
#

The only one they stumble on is that they realize there's not actually a code for Random Weird Mutant

#

Its there to characterize the professional vet as the sort of bozo who did memorize the stupid rulebook and by the emperor theyre gonna talk about it even though literally nobody else cares

waxen patio
#

And my stance is that there's better ways to characterize that than the way it has been done.

spiral badger
#

I think its charming and ultimately you start just listening to enemy sound cues anyway

#

Autocallouts are for flavor

waxen patio
#

I'll just stop and agree to disagree because this literally doesn't matter either way.

spiral badger
#

Like the way the cadian shouts RED LIGHT! DOWN! DOWN! as their sniper callout sometimes

marsh gyro
#

As long as I hear about the Cicatrix Maledictum less I'm happy

spiral badger
#

Could he just shout sniper? Yeah. Would that be as fun? No

waxen patio
#

Fun is subjective, I don't agree.

heavy geyser
#

There was a poster in here who preferred Heresy difficulty because the center mass breakpoints were more realistic.

#

You gotta remember you are in a murder cartoon.

clear ridge
#

was delighted when my vet started using them

ionic tusk
#

🤔 someone could probably make a mod to replace them with callouts that don't require like 200 hours of listening to them to remember

#

I do think some of the voicelines are bugged though

#

like my arbites constantly calls out fleshbags (the boss) and I think the voicelines for poxburster point to fleshbag due to some accident

#

unless it's just a very unfortunate naming choice but it always feels like a boss callout when they say it to me

sacred pagoda
#

This isn’t making a good case for these code names.

ionic tusk
#

what case?

#

are you responding to me or the earlier comments

sacred pagoda
#

Earlier comments.

#

Because I didn’t realize my phone still thought it was hours ago.

ionic tusk
#

understandable, that happens to me a lot also

clear ridge
#

esp. since not all of the callouts of other voicepacks are just the name either

heavy geyser
#

The actual practical tells for the specials are the audio cues they play when they spawn in, and the cues they play when they get in range. The visual cue of the ping is the red or yellow silhouette. The actual dialogue is entirely flavor, you knew what they were and when they showed up when they broadcast it over the PA a few moments prior.

#

The professional's callout for Mutants being that he doesn't have a code for them is cute and it works because of all the codes.

#

You know the mutant is there because WUAAOOUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHH

#

ALLOW MOI PRE'EY is a tell, Traxis-77 is for fun.

ionic tusk
#

idk
not all specialists have spawn in cues (trapper and sniper I think?) and I'm not always facing an enemy to see the aura
I'm lucky that crushers/maulers don't have a quirky code, those don't really have sane audio cues so a teammate calling them out has saved me a ton

spiral badger
#

There is a mauler code for sure, its a lower traxis code

ionic tusk
#

the pinging system kinda sucks though so it's not reliable that a teammate will actually ping said thing even if they want to

ionic tusk
spiral badger
#

I want to say traxis 7

ionic tusk
#

some of the codes also use the game name

#

but not all I think 🤔

#

aren't there also some other ambiguous callouts on other voicepacks too?

spiral badger
#

The pro vet has a wide variety of lines and some of them are just the code, some of them are code then signifier, and some of them are just whatever

#

And yeah basically everyone has at least a couple of goofy callouta

#

No voice only uses the same terminology as the game

clear ridge
#

trappers are nefarious giggling and a battery charging noise

#

snipers are iirc nvgs activating

spiral badger
#

And snipers make an admittedly faint radio static/goggles on noise yeah

ionic tusk
#

hmm looking it up
trappers do
snipers don't outside of the circumstance where you get a ton of them?

#

they are apparent once you can see/hear the beam
but I've gotten flickshot enough times to not say that's equal heheho

spiral badger
#

There is a cue for snipers its just relatively quiet and hard to tell apart from the general noise of the level

ionic tusk
#

I personally don't think the spawn sounds are useful anyways since they're often really disjointed from when you actually encounter the specialist

clear ridge
#

well yeaj

#

they happen early

#

so you're pre-warned

ionic tusk
#

so it's just a constant spam of specialist cues that mean nothing

#

because you're drowning in specialists anyways

heavy geyser
ionic tusk
#

yes but only waves

#

which is what I meant with circumstance (the thing I looked it up called it that, probably because that's what modifiers are called internally?)

clear ridge
heavy geyser
#

There's two sounds for each special, one when they cue up and one when they get in range of you

clear ridge
#

they would each matter just as much/little

ionic tusk
#

the audio callouts are also when a player decides to ping them

#

which is the main thing I care about

spiral badger
#

Not consistently

#

Which would be the bigger problem over them being hard to parse

#

Characters only announce like 1 in 5 pings

ionic tusk
#

do they play on spawn also? or in proximity

#

oh yeah

#

I know

#

still better than nothing

heavy geyser
#

You can hear the really distant echo sounds when they spawn in

ionic tusk
#

also they tend to announce pings if they haven't pinged anything recently

heavy geyser
#

And then e.g. flamers play the ignition clicks when they are in range of youu

clear ridge
#

announcements seem to have a cooldown, yeah

heavy geyser
#

Trappers have a real distinct NOooouu eSKAaappe f'rYOooouuuu echo

clear ridge
#

flamers also play the ignition clicks when they sp- oh that's what you were saying

heavy geyser
#

when one spawns into the level

clear ridge
#

yeah it's both spawn and range

ionic tusk
#

I strangely almost never have issues with trappers because I react to their windup noise

#

it's mainly elites that I rely on pings tbh
and silent bursters sometimes

heavy geyser
#

"did someone call for a webgun" is one of the sounds that play when they get in range

#

You can tell the spawning sounds because they're a lot more distant

#

echoey, ominos

clear ridge
#

i play a lot of ogryn and shadow zealot, so trappers are a problem when I'm not aware of them

#

because giga hitbox is sad when i blind dodge

#

and my first instinct as zealot when I'm in danger is to stealth

spiral badger
#

Silent bursters is a different problem that they do need to fix

clear ridge
#

which does not escape a fucking trapper lol

heavy geyser
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they can be a pain when you are in the horde and they happen to catch you when you can't dodge the way you want to dodge.

clear ridge
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yeah

ionic tusk
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in general there needs to be audio priority

heavy geyser
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Last night on a Maelstrom I had a Trapper open the scooby-doo door right behind me and shoot me from inside

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I didn't realize she was there til it was too late

clear ridge
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on d5 or havoc, trappers can just get you because you're getting bogged down by waves of maulers or ragers

heavy geyser
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I shouldn't have had my back to that door. It was under the bridge in the first street section of Enclavum Baross

ionic tusk
heavy geyser
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"wait there's a-- oh, lol"

spiral badger
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Yeah a lot of improving for havoc is learning where to stand

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Bc you are gonna get some dumb fucking shit showing up from spawn points and knowing where they are and not being right in front of them/under them will save your ass

ionic tusk
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90% of the times I get netted it's because they aimed at someone else and it flew way past them into me
and it isn't even their fault, trappers just have absurd range

heavy geyser
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The last thing you need is a ticking door when that's the wall you have your back to.

clear ridge
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yeah lmfao, trappers' fuckass nets flying twice the range of my warp lightning gets wacky

ionic tusk
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iirc it was buffed
and my guess is that people found a way to backdodge out of it at the edge of the range so they decided to prevent that

haughty ember
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not sure how that's supposed to be more efficient than the language everyone speaks but /shrug

spiral badger
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Originally it was supposed to be because a lot of guard regiments drifted further and further from their homes over time

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Veterans away from home for hundreds of local years due to warp travel, having to deal with new recruits who functionally speak differently than them

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But then gw decided locking everything in cultural stasis forever made for easier sculpts

opaque crown
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I mean, they're kind of right in that regard

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There was never going to be an effective way to keep making unique models for all the different guard regiments as well as evolving them temporally, without having hundreds of unused and unpopular boxes just sitting around

haughty ember
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also making all the guard regiments unique results in having a codex that's 600 pages long and breaks constantly

opaque crown
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Don't get me wrong, I love the unique models, once upon a time I planned to field a combined valhallan/ space wolf army. I just don't think GW was wrong exactly, with them really cutting down on selling those models

sacred pagoda
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I’d love to see more stuff with the Space Marines working with the Guard and not just pulling their asses out of the fire.

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There were a few moments like that in SM2 and it ruled.

waxen patio
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The Guard deserve more screen time of success instead of being redshirts.

sonic elbow
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not even success

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it'd be enough to show them getting massacred in slow motion for the purpose of just that instead of setting up a cool space marine moment

fierce marten
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Just as SM2 showcased a dreadnought one shotting a heldrake and showing it's competency. I'd want guard to be shown as good as something like a carnifex charging a camp and hundreds of lasguns focus fire and kill it in seconds just to showcase why lasguns are great.
You could even show them why they lose campaigns with one in the distance swarmed by massive waves

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SM2 had quite a few areas where there's stuff that goes on in the background

neat dew
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That Dreadnaught was so ready to throw down with Magnus had he been there.

opaque crown
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Id love for darktide to feature a map that shows signs of other forces in action tbh. Even something as basic as the vermintide mission where you're trying to save a fort before it falls. You get to see the rockets and gun shots even though you never actually see a friendly soldier

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I want to see the demolisher leman russes actually do things lol

opaque crown
ionic tusk
cyan depot
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It does

ionic tusk
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oh! 😮

cyan depot
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I’m not sure how it works exactly but there are random spawns of elites on the bridge and they get got by the rockets

waxen patio
fierce marten
slender shell
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So what guns do people think scum are getting as generic options, maybe autoguns and tac axes?

cyan depot
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Probably those

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They’ve been increasingly loose with weapons across classes

fierce marten
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Dual guns seem to be the thing

tough compass
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I hope they throw away the weapons and draw new ones for the reload animation. Like how Saltzpyre does it for his rapid fire in particular

fierce marten
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Dual shredder pistols and stub pistols were in the dev log

spiral badger
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my bet is basically axes, knives, and heavy swords for generic melees

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and autoguns and all pistols except maybe bolt for generic ranged

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maaaaaaybe standard lasguns

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but thematically these are the least trusted of the rejects and aren't gonna get access to the fancy shit, even at higher trust

slender shell
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I want to see the stats on the needle pistol and if they settled on high ap or big damage against fleshy targets

spiral badger
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canonically it should be massive AP damage

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but it could be a malfunctioning one

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where the fancy armor cracker laser bit doesn't work

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in which case it's just massive poison damage to fleshy targets

fierce marten
slender shell
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I mean in dark heresy it has 0 penetration so its a bit unclear

quiet escarp
cyan depot
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The needler has very inconsistent characteristics

quiet escarp
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I suspect they will get the chainaxe, though maybe that would have too much overlap with the gnarly scrap axe thing they seem to have

spiral badger
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I think a lot of the needlers are ones where the armor cracker bit isn't present or isn't working

slender shell
spiral badger
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so it'd be fine either way

tough compass
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Could be different marks are AP focused and others aren't

quiet escarp
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The needler is a weapon I've always found kind of hilarious because it's meant to shoot needles, but it's also clearly designed to look like a giant retro medical needle itself

spiral badger
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comedy option: the gangers couldn't get their hands on a proper needler to begin with and it's just a dart gun they're calling a needler

tough compass
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Or an alt-fire where the character "activates" the laser bit with percussive maintenance

cyan depot
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Its current idk “canonical” rules from Newcromunda give it poison and… ok AP with its hat being stealth

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Which doesn’t really translate to Darktide very directly

tough compass
quiet escarp
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I suspect it'll be either a DoT that just ignore armor types or a disorientation effect

spiral badger
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i think it's probably going to be balanced as a massive damage, highly accurate weapon to give melee focused gangers a quick specialist blaster

tough compass
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It's definitely going to be part of the toxic dot stuff they are adding

spiral badger
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with very limited ammo

quiet escarp
spiral badger
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that's not how needlers work

cyan depot
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I’m also guessing that the Darktide Needler won’t be flashless with no report

spiral badger
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they're not high ROF

slender shell
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Gonna make a mk version for each variation of needlers, so theyre all cannon

spiral badger
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now, if it's a half assed dart gun

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sure

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but the canon needler's one point of agreement is that they're a precision, usually single-shot weapon

cyan depot
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Yeah

tough compass
spiral badger
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used most commonly for stealth assassination

fierce marten
cyan depot
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My guess is something sort of like the revolver but poisonous instead of brute damage, which I think is pretty similar to what you’re thinking

spiral badger
cyan depot
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Lasguns also have recoil in a lot of lore depictions confusingly enough

tough compass
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I thought all the weapons are sacred relics of the Omnissiah

tough compass
spiral badger
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yeah but fatshark is on record that there was an alpha build with recoilless lasguns and they got a bunch of feedback that the, well, feedback didn't feel right

quiet escarp
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I just don't know what niche it could have when you also have the stub revolver on the same character, if it's just a single target harding hitting thing, though I think my conception still stands minus the misapplied spraying verb. In the sense that you're meant to loose shots off at a hard target then ignore it/dodge around it while it dies on its own

fierce marten
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The difference between relic blade and Relic Blade tm

cyan depot
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In a lot of ways lasguns have a bunch of lore and most fundamentally behave like Sir Thomas Las’ 30-06 rifle

spiral badger
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i think the cool thing would be to give a bunch of blessings for the needler that reduce your threat or make you immune to certain forms of attack after hitting with it

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to portray the "stealth" element

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something like Ghost

fierce marten
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I wonder if stim lab would affect needle, I don't imagine it would be that'd be neat

spiral badger
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pop a gunner with the needler and creep in on his friends

quiet escarp
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If a little convoluted

spiral badger
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like that's how I'd probably do it, indulge the fantasy of it being a stealth weapon by making it reduce your threat on hit

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"must have been the wind" reaper drops dead next to them

quiet escarp
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Yeah, I think that would work pretty well too. Even being able to pick guys off of a patrol without aggroing it

slender shell
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Oh BTW is there a date for when the gameplay video comes out or is just the trailer

cyan depot
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Though it would be a little weird for single weapon type talents maybe

fierce marten
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Ironically the stim tree is about spamming stims so weaker but lower CD Stims do better on it

quiet escarp
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I more mean like what blitz you pick changing the effect significantly, or somesuch. Though I genuinely have no idea how that would be balance or what the effects would be

tough compass
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Though my guess is the toxic talents will work particularly well with a needler

cyan depot
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Good point yeah

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That’s relatively narrow

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I couldn’t remember if there was a plasma specific one

tough compass
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I was going to say the peril for block was narrow, but then I remembered you don't actually need to take a deflector weapon at the same time, even though it is nice to do so lol

cyan depot
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Peril for block on weapons with good block efficiency is really good too

heavy geyser
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Hive gangers get the whole generic pool except for bolters and chain weapons. Maybe no shock maul, maybe nothing powered or explosive.

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Is my guess.

marsh gyro
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Dual wielded infantry lasguns, check

tough compass
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Well, they are getting a rocket launcher

heavy geyser
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All you need is a tube and some propellant.

tough compass
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Need to get a spin ability

heavy geyser
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The supply of thumb-sized gyro cartridges are not to be squandered on trigger-happy Prodigy stage dancers.

fierce marten
fierce marten
sonic elbow
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according to RPG rulebooks a twinlinked dual combigun is valid

worldly talon
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The make combo pistols

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Goliaths in Necro get combi stub revolvers even

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Iirc

spiral badger
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new map! new map!

clear ridge
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that's quite pretty

heavy geyser
ionic tusk
soft summit
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You could all this a trench crusade, even

cyan depot
sacred pagoda
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I might need to rethink my perks for the power falchion.

ionic tusk
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what perks and blessings are you running?

sacred pagoda
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The one that makes you explode when it heats up and the one that increases Strength with heat.

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I don't remember what blessings I had on it. Probably extra damage against Carapace and Flak.

heavy geyser
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the explosion one doesn't do a lot of damage. the real benefit of that one is it skips the 25% of the heat bar that has the slowest heat decay rate

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heat sink + overload blessing gets you the lowest downtime for the least amount of effort.

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Energy Leakage is the strength one. The ranges on that are a bit wonky, and it might have anti-synergy with Overload. The Strength stacks don't build linearlyn the ranges at the extreme ends are very small so while it is powered on you at best are in ~3 stack range, with maybe one swing happening at 5 stack power.

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One of the nice things about Energy Leakage is the Strength still applies when your sword is powered down or overheated in lockout, but the anti-synergy here is Overload immediately drops your heat from 100% to 75% and skips the range where you have slower heat loss.

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4 stacks of Energy Leakage starts at 73% heat, you immediately bounce down to 3 stacks on overheat and rapidly diminish to 0, where not having Overload would keep the overheated sword at 5 and then 4 stacks of Strength for longer.

clear ridge
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man, this is just making me think - i really want a two-handed axe

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and a 2h power axe would be great

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or a polearm of some sort

heavy geyser
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here are the heat numbers for reference

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I actually did some lab work with the Relic Blade, which uses the same mechanics, and found that "Heat Sink + Overload is actually the lowest downtime build and just turning it on and swinging without worrying about turning it off again" was a genuinely useful build.

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Skipping that Critical delay window is a huge part of Overload's value.

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But that window being a slower decay rate makes Energy Leakage retain its value in lockout state.

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Those thresholds being as such:

image.png
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1/5 of the heat bar has 0 strength stacks, 1/10th has full stacks and only 25% really has The Juice.

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Heat Sink + Overload is the best "set and forget" dead simple build for your money.

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You can turn it back on again really fast.

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and that's all you have to think about.

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I did try a Rampage + Energy Leakage build once on a 60% Heat Management sword to try to maximize the 5 stack window and you couldn't really control when that happened, it was difficult to take advantage of.

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I think Energy Leakage has poor value so long as its stack thresholds are so wonky and lopsided towards the small end. You'll never really get your money out of it in a mission.

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Anyways, that's my Heat Mechanic lab report.

ionic tusk
clear ridge
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dunno if I'm just doing something wrong with em

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but neither feels like a good weapon

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and they basically just feel like marks of each other

heavy geyser
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The tac axe swings way faster than the combat axes. They're knife-adjacent.

ionic tusk
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really???? they feel completely different to me

tac axe is if you make slightly beefed dueling sword lights with no heavy attacks (and a bit slower) [this is still fairly good]

combat axe meanwhile has a more rounded kit... but it sacrifices everything for 'armor piercing tm' but then is extremely mid against armor- it's even a +.09 sprint speed buff at mobility 60 which is crazy

heavy geyser
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Tac axes are crit monsters with a good stagger alt attack.

ionic tusk
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tac axe did get a glowup recently thankfully

ionic tusk
heavy geyser
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Combat axes have the axe murderer overhead heavy chop but in my experience they feel like they don't scale well with difficulty.

ionic tusk
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I think combat axes are just overshadowed by class specific weapons which tend to be decent at armor and other stuff for less cost

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or dueling sword

heavy geyser
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Headstabs Georg is an outlier and should not be counted.

ionic tusk
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headstabs georg is half the game

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but I've been trying it on arbites and it doesn't feel noticably faster at armor kill than the arbites mace for example

heavy geyser
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There is a dueling sword mark that isn't the IV which has a mix of sweeps and lunges, that one's my favorite for how swashbuckling it feels to use.

ionic tusk
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and zealot I could bring a thunder hammer or something

ionic tusk
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I'm not sure the combat axe is even faster against armor than the tac axe

heavy geyser
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Seeing what they do to help combat axes, if they do anything, would be interesting. I'm trying to imagine what their niche would be.

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The Power Falchion can be built for one-shot headchop builds which is really fun to run, and that feels like it'd be a neat thing for a combat axe to do, but that's the Falchion's special property.

ionic tusk
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I think they're like a lot of weapons
they have a defined niche
they just suck at it compared to meta options and are extremely mid compared to non meta options

heavy geyser
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Maybe if they had a kind of innate brittleness property.

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You crack armor in a way that helps your teammates, but doesn't take a blessing slot.

ionic tusk
heavy geyser
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Yeah, its good that they have that exclusive niche

ionic tusk
heavy geyser
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I have thoughts on that! I think the yeehaw revolver needs Run & Gun as a passive the way that Shredders have it to really find its own niche.

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The Zarona gotta pay its taxes to do its enormous damage.

ionic tusk
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oh I actually just tried that a revolver a few hours ago (without run and gun)

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and I invented a considerably worse bolt pistol for what I was using it for (shooting ranged elites and specialists)

heavy geyser
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I put a lot of effort into trying to find a way to make it work and it feels like it needs three blessings to shine, and one of them is Run & Gun for the tighter spread.

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The revolvers have a lot of good blessing synergy pairs, but if you slot in Run & Gun you lose half of those synergies

ionic tusk
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yeah that'd help a lot
but that just means it's base spread is ass

heavy geyser
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Well, being a slip & slide runaround cowboy is also part of it

ionic tusk
heavy geyser
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Using it to reposition between melee engagements and soften targets on approach is nice

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Yeah, that gun is tragic for being so close to the light but living in the shadow of other pistols.

ionic tusk
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because the revolvers have bad spread/reload speed compared to class specific guns which are just 'revolver but better'

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ie plasma gun and arbites shotgun

heavy geyser
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I think Run & Gun would legitimately fix it. I had an Arbites build that used it and it felt great.

ionic tusk
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and then if you don't care about cleave running a bolt pistol will serve you better in most cases

heavy geyser
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But then I put the executioner shotgun on that build and, well,

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lol.

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You have to want to live the howdy lifestyle

ionic tusk
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yeah exe shotgun and plasma are OP

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but even if they didn't exist I think revolver ultimately sacrifices too much for it's niche

heavy geyser
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The Zarona's tight ammo pool is punishing bt it was kind of necessary for how powerful it used to be.

ionic tusk
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yeah, hand cannon has half the value it used too, right?

heavy geyser
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I think so? It trivialized Crushers in a way they apparently do not want.

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It killed everything you pointed it at.

ionic tusk
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and imo you need hand cannon to really make it work, otherwise you're basically doing the same thing as the alternatives with considerably less ammo pool (but more cleave if you remove the OP class specific guns)

heavy geyser
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And then they added its fun-loving party cousin who is an underachiever but has a great time doing it.

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You wanna see the funniest part about the hammer fan revolver? I think I posted it once but I don't remember.

ionic tusk
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what?

heavy geyser
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"They're not even locked, just take the manacles off."

"(Scottishly) Nou."

ionic tusk
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imo for most guns shooting crushers is just a waste of ammo since it isn't really much faster than melee and there's so many that any safety gain isn't significant because you'll run your ammo too low making a dent

there are of course exceptions but I don't think the revolver is currently one of them? 🤔
tho it's been a while since I tried, how many crit bullets does it take to kill a crusher

heavy geyser
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Before this update it was like, two with Hand Cannon/Crucian Roulette

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It was really effective.

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I haven't used the Zarona in a minute, it might be worth a look.

ionic tusk
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I've been trying
but my primary concern with guns is generally 'can it kill specialists? can it kill reapers and gunners?'

heavy geyser
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My big need is "can it one-shot a sniper?"

ionic tusk
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and zarona is pretty mid at that because you either overkill or take 2 bullets with a much smaller cap

heavy geyser
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The laspistol was really frustrating for this reason

ionic tusk
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oh I think we talked about this before

heavy geyser
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The Kantrael laspistol is a lot of fun, you can build it to do some real interesting things.

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I did end up finding a build for it that suited my needs.

ionic tusk
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I like the lazpistol vs snipers but that's using the high firerate one with infernus

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it may not one shot the sniper but it stops them from firing instantly and you can usually kill them before they recover

and if you can't, decent chance you wouldn't have hit them with a gun that needed more aiming over spray and pray

heavy geyser
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I really liked the idea of Ghost and when you can just walk in front of a shooter line and pop them one by one its extremely funny.

ionic tusk
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I used to use the vigilant autogun for this but I hear they nerfed the flinch so idk if that works anymore

heavy geyser
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Zealot has so many on-dodge talents that Ghost can proc.

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When I ran it I could get full Momentum stacks if a shooter or two were arouund.

ionic tusk
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which also procs dodge talents I think???? 🤔

heavy geyser
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It also juices up Riposte stacks before you get into bonking range so you pull up with 15% universal damage in the tank.

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Which I liked about it.

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Yeah sliding also procs those talents

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There were a few times where it saved me from Plasma Gunners while I was trying to shoot someone else..

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It's a funny gimmick

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Stripped Down and Hit & Run feel a lot more limiting out of the pool of blessings that do this.

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As long as you can click heads you can just tank projectiles.

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And the Kantrael wants to 100% click heads and 0% click everything else

ionic tusk
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stripped down feels like from before an era where sliding was known

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you'd probably still want to slide with it to conserve stamina videogames

heavy geyser
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Veteran has that stamina recovery on slide talent in the lower right branch

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That seemed like it was handy for that blessing

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Since it wanted to stay above 50%

ionic tusk
#

but you could also just spam slide and have 80% of the same effect without costing any of your build

heavy geyser
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Yeah......

ionic tusk
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it doesn't even have a bonus effect like agile right?

heavy geyser
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It was just more stamina back, which, to be fair, Veteran used for other things.

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Veteran stamina economy isn't as nice as Zealot or Ogryn

ionic tusk
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ehhh all 3 keystones can have stamina regen

heavy geyser
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Also this has come up once before but I think sliding is just damage reduction, not damage evasion

ionic tusk
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and you can get psyker 'slide to restore stamina' with 1 node of investment

heavy geyser
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toughness damage specifically

sonic elbow
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I use the high firerate laspistol without infernus just to click on heads more often

heavy geyser
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Its an interaction I'm still not 100% on

ionic tusk
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ime it's dodging to ranged attacks but just reduction to melee attacks

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and the reduction changes with each class

sonic elbow
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I dunno how it compares to shooting big numbers less often but it feels better in this case

heavy geyser
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Oh yeah that reminded me the other part of the Kantrael setup

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Is you pair Ghost with Desperado

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So ghosting counterfire procs your ~30% crit rate boost

ionic tusk
heavy geyser
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In my experience the Accatran is great for "mash bodyshots and build infernus stacks" for sheer volume of fire, the Kantrael is way more strict abouut getting its returns but it can genuinely feel like a Revolver with a 27-round magazine if you can hit heads with it consistently.

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The main problem is any kind of elevation change makes finding the head line in a chaotic mission a lot harder

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Those guns are not generous about weakspot detection, and they seem to have no penetration so a flailing arm can turn a headshot into a not-headshot.

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And the Kantrael only wants headshots, exclusively.

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They also, weirdly, really like to be hipfired. The ADS feels nice for lining up your first shot or two but hipfiring it is dead-on accurate

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And its reticle actually gets more precise instead of less precise when you slide

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The red laser lines are entirely cosmetic, they don't represent your actual shot spread at all.

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If you can slide around hipfiring headshots it's a really really fun playstyle.

ionic tusk
#

dump stat stability then run around at +.89 sprint speed
wheeee

heavy geyser
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Yeah, stability is the dumpstat. There's damage behind its Stopping Power stat, and you want ammo.

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60% stability actually makes it feel meaty.

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You slow the pace a little bit off of maximum click speed

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You'll get a tack driver.

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It'll do enormous crit weakspot damage

ionic tusk
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meanwhile the other lazpistol is 'we reduced the fire rate and increased the damage to make it so people don't need a macro < you still 100% need an autofire mod to use this weapon>'

heavy geyser
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I ended up putting +25% Infested damage perk on my Kantrael

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It made a significant difference shooting poxhounds

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I was like, wow, a genuine use for Infested damage perks!

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This is a funny bit of laspistol tech. It's not useful but if you push guys when they're getting up off the floor it pops them up into headshot height.

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The push cancels whatever state they're in into that stagger pose, including prone state.

ionic tusk
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because it downgrades the cc on enemies heheho

heavy geyser
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I love this gun.

ionic tusk
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like iirc
if you didn't instantly kill them
they'd be ready to attack far sooner than if you didn't push them

heavy geyser
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I'm not sure about the Accatran but the Kantrael has a surprising amount of Stagger, which can be really annoying when they start staggering and bobbing their head off the headshot line

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But that's where slowing the shot rate down a bit helps, give your shots a beat and their heads come back for the followup

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60% stability felt like it helped keep that rhythm a bit easier

ionic tusk
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the accatran has stagger but I see it as a huge upside

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because even though you didn't instantly kill that trapper or sniper
they're not gonna be attacking you back for a while

heavy geyser
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Yeah, you gotta play around it, but it can be handy

ionic tusk
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like, you don't need to get a headshot on a sniper
just bodyshot it as soon as you can then keep firing for a half a second and it'll die

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or take the stagger as an opportunity to get a headshot

heavy geyser
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In my playstyle I often end up the countersniper, but I also manage hordes when we need to, so being able to push > swap > aim > shoot > swap > push is real important, I want the sniper to die in one shot.

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The build adjustments I made to get more use out of the laspistol ended up helping make my bolt pistol better, so I'm back on that at the moment.

ionic tusk
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idk
I guess it depends on how quickly you line up the headshot