dark tidings (Darktide for people in the searchbar)

[opaque crown]

Oh yeah hive scum trailer has a toxic as fuck comment section

[shrewd kite]

tbh it's not the ddeveloper's fault that the ultrasmurfs game is kinda generic

[opaque crown]

but also, im used to the darktide community at large being extremely toxic

[spring lynx]

I would say scroll up but that's a big ask given the speed of this chat

[spring lynx]

There's also the Secret Level ep

[opaque crown]

if you've ever visited the darktide discord its just constant vitriol

[spring lynx]

Cool visuals, boring story imo

[fierce marten]

Astartes have so much access to wild stuff, especially deathwatch. I say it's on the devs

[ionic tusk]

esp. out of game
I think every even vaguely military game gets the people who vibe with it but don't really play harassing out of game areas

[fierce marten]

Fatshark did it way more interesting with just rejects

The perk trees on SM2 is just flat stat bonuses mostly

[slender shell]

I would have liked esher bows instead of crossbows but thats a small thing

[sonic elbow]

okay the trailer was a nothingburger but I'm glad it is in fact ganger

[opaque crown]

this is, of course, also par for the course with the wider 40k community

[spring lynx]

I like that there's a jurisdiction beef going on, because it's very silly and incredibly 40k

[mint yew]

The name you want for Shitty Skitarii is "Procurator", which means "robot cop". They're ordained priests but low-ranking ones.

[soft summit]

So whats the Scum's niche exactly?

[spring lynx]

Upsetting people who wanted a different class apparently

[mint yew]

the only thing that moves Enginseer out of the question for me is that they're power-armoured

[fierce marten]

Close range gunning or horde clear via melee it seems

[frank igloo]

GW has an iron hold on what they let their devs do, and you bet theyre even more strigent on the game with their precious blue spess mahreens

[fierce marten]

Also they can drop medikit as an ability

[marsh gyro]

Borderlands gunzerker with drugs

[soft summit]

Neat

[opaque crown]

do enginseers have power armor? Arent they a 4+ on the table for 40k?

[fierce marten]

Also dual wielding

[mint yew]

there are grades of enginseer and you can easily find an adept fucking around with guardsmen and arbites

Skitarii is also suitable but they will be slightly fancier than their non-arbites peers

[ionic tusk]

wait like. infinite health??

[cyan depot]

Enginseers have power armor but it’s not a norm for tech priests

[spring lynx]

Dual wielding is going to go through so much ammo

[fierce marten]

Like this seems wild as an ability

[mint yew]

Enginsers have been power-armoured for the last 30 years, yes

[opaque crown]

I know like, generally speaking for Cadia, tank crews always have a someone trained as a tech adept, i suspect thats kind of a norm

[ionic tusk]

does it heal health or is that just flavor

[slender shell]

No health

[opaque crown]

you want someone with some tech know-how to be able to take care of minor fixes

[mint yew]

power armour + refractor field

[fierce marten]

Infinite health

[ionic tusk]

corruption isn't health

[fierce marten]

No clue

[weary edge]

I'm disappointed, but I'm not surprised about the class

[opaque crown]

chem toxin, giving me thorn priest from vtide vibes

[fierce marten]

Corruption health and med kit is

[frank igloo]

corruption isnt health

[mint yew]

adept is a catch-all term for shitty techpriests, there is no consistency as to what they're geared with

[frank igloo]

and i guarantee its not clearing a wound

[fierce marten]

Med kit isn't infinite health if you've got corruption

[frank igloo]

like any other corruption healing thing

aside from medicae and med stims

[cyan depot]

I’d be super duper surprised if it was cd based infinite healing

[opaque crown]

the one im talking about with cadian tank crews i think isnt even a tech adept really. It's a guy that spent some time with a tech adept for mandated training prolly

[fierce marten]

We don't know besides speculation

[mint yew]

on the 30k tabletop I could have one with bolt pistol/chainsword or I could have one with a power axe, meltagun, more wounds than a terminator and the weapon skill of a space marine captain, which is very funny

[frank igloo]

if you think its going to be busted then its probably not doing that

[mint yew]

some adepts are just built different

[cyan depot]

Also kind of neat that there’s a no stimms class to go along with psyker’s no grenades class

[fierce marten]

No Stims is optional

[mint yew]

aspirants, maybe, there are grades below formal priest

[cyan depot]

There’s a name for that but I can’t remember it

[fierce marten]

If you don't take any stim lab anything

[cyan depot]

Technomat or something

[mint yew]

baneblades definitely each have a full enginseer on board, I remember that

[opaque crown]

that sounds right

[shrewd kite]

the only other team corruption clear is that one zealot aura right

[mint yew]

"lexmechanic" is chump office priest

[opaque crown]

yeah teh big tanks get a real dude

[mint yew]

not sure about field work

[opaque crown]

and i know a regiment tends to have like one big boi techpriest otherwise

[ionic tusk]

veteran can buff medkits to clear

[mint yew]

also it's the admech so it varies massively

[opaque crown]

or a platoon i should say

[slender shell]

Getting 30 points to invest in stims I assume a lot of it is gonna be small percentage increases

[mint yew]

the org chart of the 30k Mechanicum is so varied that it includes a combat dinosaur division

[opaque crown]

I kind of imagine the hive scum's mechanics will be about temporary power spiking

[cyan depot]

Aha it is technomat

[opaque crown]

using stims and speed and bombs

[fierce marten]

Time for min/maxxers to test breakpoints if there's a damage buff in the stim lab

[ionic tusk]

corruption clear within wounds is also not nearly as good as it sounds since there's only 2 things in the game that heal without clearing the corruption anyways, medkit and holy revenant
and the only other mechanic that matters is if you get pushed over a wound threshold

[mint yew]

"cyber-hybrid carnivora", which is a category so wide that it includes both arbites robodogs and attack krakens

[haughty ember]

I was hoping for somethimg else but this does look pretty cool

[opaque crown]

and maybe has options for a poison/support build that ups the parties damage and helps with corruption

[haughty ember]

Goes fast and depends on kills to extend or reset abilities

[slender shell]

Coldest take, the three rocket variants for keystone are gonna be huge ap, cluster, and napalm

[mint yew]

I was really hoping for a Skitarii honestly, I want to use all their rad (figurative) and rad (literal) guns in a real shooter

[haughty ember]

Also a close range shooter

[ionic tusk]

and medkit can usually just heal someone else instead if you have less max hp

[cyan depot]

They gotta break the ice off this take

[shrewd kite]

i bet you the last one is gonna be chem instead of napalm but yea

[mint yew]

I do think basically everyone was hyped for admech and there is no admech, but fair enough, welcome back Salvador BL2

[opaque crown]

I'd have liked some admech related thing to give us some admech guns; but also i imagine it would have been at best a couple ranged and melee related ones. I just couldn't personally see a proper skitarii getting into it

not without like, a larger, more concentrated admech delegation of some sort

[mint yew]

you can pack plasma guns, the only thing you'd have to exclude are the Skitarii special weapons because one of them is a plasma LMG and the other one is an anti-materiel rifle

[frank igloo]

the moment they said the event would tie into the class was when everyone shouldve stopped hyping themselves up for mechanicus

[shrewd kite]

skitarii would have run into some weird issues with the 'cross-class' designations too, cause i imagine GW wouldn't have wanted say, a ruststalker using rad weapons or whatever showing up

[slender shell]

I can't blame people for expecting skitari after how arbites was with a bunch of other arbiter content across games

[opaque crown]

figure you'd get a rad gun, an arc gun, and maybe the transeuronic arquebus as an iconic

[cyan depot]

What does sprint dodge angle mean?

[mint yew]

rad rifle/pistol, galvanic rifle/pistol, phosphor rifle/pistol and then power axe/taser goad/whatever else in the melee weapons

arquebus is totally infeasible on Darktide maps

[cyan depot]

Like how sideways you go when dodging while sprinting?

[opaque crown]

not without mechanically adjusting the arquebus

[ionic tusk]

you dodge ranged attacks when sprinting, but only from the side

[opaque crown]

its sort of like the heavy stubber being a secret sniper in an ogryn's hands; not exactly how the stuber works for real

[mint yew]

I would prefer plasma caliver, modelled as a kind of burst fire plasma

[marsh gyro]

You have to be running at an angle to the bullet to count for the dodge and this makes the window wider

[cyan depot]

Ah thank you

[ionic tusk]

it's a leftover mechanic from when darktide was a cover shooter

and not 'slide directly at enemy because there probably isn't cover' shooter

[opaque crown]

i dont even think its leftover, it can still be pretty important

[fierce marten]

Damn zealot stunstorm power crept

[mint yew]

the heavy stubber still behaves like a heavy stubber, the arquebus is so long it triples the size of the Skitarii model's base and is a huge slow clunky emplaced weapon

plasma caliver or arc rifle work fine, though

assuming a slightly nerfed-from-lore plasma caliver which is fine

[ionic tusk]

eh if it's just a knockdown then it's probably more like arbites nades

[frank igloo]

this only staggers them, instead of stunstorm actually stunning it looks like

[opaque crown]

rad carbine would prolly be a big iconic, the plasma caliver i think is a little less so; because on the table its just another name for a plasma gun

[shrewd kite]

i think weapons like that you would kinda have to treat like a blitz, like the engineer from vt2

[cyan depot]

Stunstorm is fuckin stupid good

[opaque crown]

you could release a skin for the plasma gun that makes it a plasma caliver

[shrewd kite]

although a sniper blitz instead of a minigun blitz would be cool

[haughty ember]

The arquebus is super super super long

[ionic tusk]

stunstorm already got powercrept by shock mine anyways

[mint yew]

I would want rad carbine and some kind of phosphor weapon

at least

[opaque crown]

phosphor could be a thing too

[cyan depot]

That’s fairytale

[opaque crown]

would be interesting, translates to a fire pistol pretty much

[mint yew]

the phosphor rifle is very cool and very suitable for this

[fierce marten]

Arbite's blitz power crept

[cyan depot]

I’m glad we’re getting needlers

[haughty ember]

For the procurator a volkite serpenta as a blitz or ability weapon would be sick

[opaque crown]

teh arquebus, i concede, is unreasonable, but weould be absolutely hilarious

[shrewd kite]

and the unlimited powah

[haughty ember]

Archeotech laser pistol of horrible death

[opaque crown]

hold on guys, i just need to get set up

[ionic tusk]

well that nade was kinda just worse shredders
so it's also a shredder sidegrade heheho

[mint yew]

volkite is the one "absolutely not reject tier" weapon I would really kill for

[fierce marten]

I'm wondering how OP this would be on launch

[shrewd kite]

i only ever use the dog shock with arbites

[opaque crown]

imagine brunt getting his hands on volkite weapons

[ionic tusk]

🤔 tho ig the arbites nade is impact

[mint yew]

basic skitarii guns are absolutely chump-accessible, volkite is giga rare, but it is the coolest thing

[opaque crown]

imagine brunt somehow knowing how to maintain a volkite weapon

[haughty ember]

Mostly because the one procurator we've actually seen carries one and archeotech doom pistol is not completely out of scope for an actual techpriest

[cyan depot]

You also get something silly like 5 regenerating ones

[haughty ember]

i mean brunt maintains the plasma gun

[fierce marten]

We do have relic blades

[opaque crown]

i guess its not impossible, since an inquisitor has brunt being the guy managing the gear

[mint yew]

I have no fucking idea how Lux has one, I'll be honest, but yeah, it works

[opaque crown]

and yeah it includes relic blades, plasma guns etc

[mint yew]

and it's also extremely cool

[fierce marten]

Space marine chapters can't really fix a relic blade if it's broke enough

[shrewd kite]

yeah i was gonna say, we have sanctified relic blades and latrine shovels, i think the 40k powerscaling is out the window at this point

[opaque crown]

brunt is kind of a gun maintenance savant

[fierce marten]

Smartest Ogyrn

[ionic tusk]

nah I did that and it feels completely awful because it doesn't regen any faster than the shock mine
so you get 1 stagger every minute instead of a super duper long stunstorm every minute

[mint yew]

melee-wise I do kind of want a transonic blade

[ionic tusk]

like it's fun but the economy for it to be decent is just not there

[shrewd kite]

the biggest problem i would see with an admech class is that the iconic admech melee weapon (the omnissian axe) would look kind of fucking stupid in actual use

[haughty ember]

Bonesaw sounds cool though

[mint yew]

we have power weapons, so it's in scope, and they look sick as hell

[haughty ember]

I think I'm probably hoping for a GSC style rocksaw that we're probably not going to get

[mint yew]

give 'em transonics as the iconic melee, it's just a sword

[haughty ember]

The omnissian axe is just a poleaxe

[mint yew]

there are different kinds of omnissian axe, but Skitarii don't get those anyway

[haughty ember]

Also not all of them carry one

[opaque crown]

transonic weapons do like that star wars vibro blade thing right?

[mint yew]

Skitarii aren't priests, so they're not allowed the axes

[haughty ember]

Yeah

[ionic tusk]

you can throw it further and it's much more instant
but scenarios that would take 1 shock mine take like 4 arbites nadea

[mint yew]

yeah

[fierce marten]

Look at us, we're the tox bombers now

[mint yew]

come in sword, knife and horrible shredding claw varieties

[opaque crown]

almost worth the price of admission to throw that shit back at them

[mint yew]

generally peers to power weapons, the assassinbots that can take them can also take power swords

[haughty ember]

Ok I really hope the chem grenades arent green

[fierce marten]

Dual wield shivs? Welcome back Shade from Vermintide 2

[opaque crown]

im guessing they're not... at least lore wise, quite as good as power weapons? Or is it that they're harder to produce?

[shrewd kite]

they're probably gonna be a distinct shade like the zealot fire nades

[haughty ember]

I still slip up on differentiating zealot fire from bomber fire if things are tight

[fierce marten]

Dual stub pistols seem interesting

[shrewd kite]

but i do have trouble telling them apart when you have an overlapping zealot and bomber nade

yeah

[opaque crown]

for me it helps that bomber fire is tall and zealot fire is low

cause I'm color blind

[haughty ember]

dual stub pistols welcome back akimbo deagle payday 2

[mint yew]

they're very spammable but mostly they're sidegrade power weapons - they start out as merely decent regular swords until you program them with the right frequency, at which point they go to "your armour isn't real" and cut a terminator's arm clean off in a way that a normal power sword can't manage

[fierce marten]

I'm not color blind and it gets me

Orange vs red isn't a great contrast

[mint yew]

they go on Sicarans, who also have an SMG + power sword config

[shrewd kite]

yeah it's not super clear, zealot fire should be blue-white imo

[ionic tusk]

there's a mod to change it
unfortunately the best option to change it into is like. nurgle dead enemy guts

[fierce marten]

Since you've got very little time to look before fire ticks happens

[cyan depot]

I’m curious if dual pistols will be a weapon or ability

I’m guessing a weapon

[haughty ember]

seems like a weapon

[opaque crown]

THEYRE SO CLOSE, JUST GIVE ME PISTOL AND MELEE

PLEASE FS

[cyan depot]

I just go by height

Short fire good tall fire evil

[fierce marten]

Oh the best part about ganger, we get to actually see body tattoos in character creation

[opaque crown]

hey we get to see those for ogryns too

[mint yew]

If I was to completely disregard practicality and propose the admech class I most want to play as, it's Sicarian. Transonic blade + Taser Goad melee iconics, stubcarbine and maybe phosphor ranged iconic, neurostatic and some kind of blade frenzy as ults.

[fierce marten]

For the smol ones then

[opaque crown]

what exactly is a taser goad in practice? Cattle prod that kills people?

[shrewd kite]

i used the rapier and pistol in vermintide but it always felt weird having one pistol that had a totally different stat line to your other pistol

[haughty ember]

Cattle prod but sword and also lethal

[mint yew]

cattle prod that stuns ogryns, yeah

[ionic tusk]

unfun fact there's actually 3 types of fire pool that look very similar
zealot (no damage), bomber (damage), barrel + flamer explosion (bypasses toughness to deal direct health damage)

[mint yew]

S6 AP-1 D1 on the tabletop

[fierce marten]

I'm going to check reddit in a day and watch the shitfest

[shrewd kite]

the barrel and bomber flames i literally cannot tell apart even in an ideal scenario

[haughty ember]

Oh you dont need to wait a day

[ionic tusk]

I do not think there is a difference

[haughty ember]

The barrel and bomber fire being the same is fine for me because you don't want to stand in either but zealot fire you do

[opaque crown]

I thnk they're weaker in 40k, like ap0 but with sus hits 2

[ionic tusk]

and you can't even check to see if there's a barrel nearby because flamer backpacks do the same thing! :D

[mint yew]

Sicarians are slightly higher-grade than any of the rejects besides the psyker and the arbites, but they would also be the funnest thing, look how cool these guys are

[opaque crown]

lets you vomit out attacks

[haughty ember]

Eh a sicarian is like psyker/ogryn/arbitrator tier

[shrewd kite]

it's mildly annoying having damage go straight through toughness when you're expecting a break, but the actual damage is minimal enough that it's w/e

[haughty ember]

Wait misc I've got it

[mint yew]

30k doesn't have these guys, I was quoting the 40k sheet

[ionic tusk]

'this will do toughness damage' and 'this will do health damage' are very different degrees of bad
'I might run through this' vs 'I don't want to even tap this or I'll go down if I have low hp and full toughness'

[cyan depot]

Just think of the bad old days when any whiff of fire removed your whole toughness bar

[shrewd kite]

ahhhh i remember that shit lol

[haughty ember]

Sicarian is a high execution barrier class where the execution barrier is that you have 360 degree FoV and need to relearn how to see

[fierce marten]

New stuff is going to be low effort complaints, I want the top tier stuff

[mint yew]

LMAO

sensory overloads the entire rest of the team if you pick Infiltrator

24/7 flashbang aura

[ionic tusk]

nah I've seen it kill so many people 😭

[fierce marten]

The unhinged you only get with like 30 minutes of photoshop to express outrage

[cyan depot]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-truth-nuke-arnold-schwarzenegger-arnold-shook-gif-6352525456991560778

[haughty ember]

Its lore accurate!

[mint yew]

I do think they have very suitable loadouts and abilities for this game honestly

[haughty ember]

They can see in every direction simultaneously!

[mint yew]

stubcarbines, flechettes, transonics and goads are all reasonable picks

[cyan depot]

Yeah they were on my most expected list for admech

And the fucked up legs would be cool

[tough compass]

It is weird that there are three types of fire: bad fire (hurts toughness first), "neutral" fire (hurts health first, hurts your enemies) and friendly fire (only hurts your enemies)

[worldly talon]

S2G this game has the whiniest fucking fanbase...

[haughty ember]

Oh no there are many competitors for whiniest

[fierce marten]

I think ad mech is happening it's just so technically difficult to do a proper ad mech within less than a year since arbites

[cyan depot]

For a while I’d always say “this fire is friendly” when throwing out burny grenades

[haughty ember]

Helldivers 2 is up there, the COD fandom probably sucks, etc

[shrewd kite]

that's probably still helldivers lol

[mint yew]

they're some of my favourite units, I'm expecting them to eat a nerf on the tabletop soon because they were spammed to high heaven at the world series but they still rock

[fierce marten]

Helldivers I'd say is way whiner

[shrewd kite]

COD fanbase i feel like has to be resigned to their fate at this point

[mint yew]

"hello, space marines, please deal with 100 power sword murder insects while we prepare the second wave of 300"

[opaque crown]

what do you expect, its also the warhammer fanbase

[fierce marten]

People were receptive to arbites

[haughty ember]

People liked arbites

[fierce marten]

Helldivers devs could perfect the game in a patch and people would shit on it

[tough compass]

It at least glows with the Holy light of the Emperor. It's hard to tell the neutral and enemy fire apart (can you?) unless it is green

[ionic tusk]

arbites powercrept so hard

[haughty ember]

The helldivers community regularly makes shit up to complain about

[shrewd kite]

i actually do agree with the complaints that ganger just narratively feels like every other reject tbh

[tough compass]

Maybe the bad fire should be a more angry dark red

[opaque crown]

arbites had the cool armor and shotguns to carry it; hive scum is a treat for like niche warhammer fans who appreciate the satellite games like necromunda

[fierce marten]

Pretty much

[ionic tusk]

unironically arbites launch was the least fun I had in the game

[haughty ember]

The sheer degree of either misremembering or outright fabrication about earlier patches is insane

[opaque crown]

people didn't need to know about the arbites before it came out to think it looked sick; hive scum takes some explaining

[shrewd kite]

mechanically it seems cool enough and i'm sure fatshark will cook with the personalities

[fierce marten]

Most of the Rejects werent criminals before

[haughty ember]

I see people saying that the railgun now is worse than on release which is of course absurd

[fierce marten]

They were guardsman, priests, psykers, or workers

[opaque crown]

i just dont see that the hive scum has to not feel like the rejects tbh

[tough compass]

Did a class get revealed?

[ionic tusk]

release railgun was wild
did they rebuff helldivers railgun?

[shrewd kite]

but yeah, '80s cyberpunk gang guy' is conceptually a bit bland

[fierce marten]

Hive ganger

[worldly talon]

'Hive Scum'

And people are losing their collective shit because it's not Skitarii

[haughty ember]

https://www.playdarktide.com/news/dev-blog-hive-scum-class-design-talents

[tough compass]

Not my first choice but to me it obviously fits

[opaque crown]

we were two or three shotting bile titans with headshots! smdh

[haughty ember]

The railgun got made considerably better in the AT overhaul and has gotten nothing but buffs since

[mint yew]

the mechanics on the scum look fun and in-depth but the thematics put me to sleep, honestly

[haughty ember]

Iirc it four shots a bile titan

[fierce marten]

I mean Helldivers have power crept so much that's not a big deal nowadays

[mint yew]

very little drip here that you couldn't already get on the existing rejects

[opaque crown]

the railgun still doesn't do that. It hasn't done that since release

[worldly talon]

Speaking of Railguns, the thing that exemplifies the Helldivers fanbase for me was the whole

[ionic tusk]

with full unstable charges or stable charges?

[shrewd kite]

the revealed cosmetics just look like generic cp2077 mooks, which makes sense considering they're from the same cultural millieu i guess

[haughty ember]

near full

[fierce marten]

Other weapons can take care of a bile titan as easily

[haughty ember]

The breakpoint is 500 which is like 95%

[opaque crown]

yes but that has also been true

for a long time

[ionic tusk]

release railgun was straight up unfair

[shrewd kite]

but like, i would not mix up an arbitrator and a Judge even though conceptually they're meant to be the same thing and one is obviously a ripoff of the other

[tough compass]

Like of course the warband that picked up people sentenced to prison colonies/death is going to be fine with accepting hive scum into their ranks who prove themselves at all

[haughty ember]

And the railgun on release did not 3 shot a bile titan

[opaque crown]

I'm specifically comparing old railgun to new railgun and pointing out how people's recollection is weak

[fierce marten]

Launch rail gun wouldn't even be that big of a deal nowadays

[mint yew]

we also have various shitheads in rags with autoguns already, I feel this is very much a strong overlap on the venn diagram

[spiral badger]

i mean literally that's what zola is

[mint yew]

I guess that makes it easier to develop, but they also put a ton of new fancy systems into Scum from the look of it

[worldly talon]

The Game is Literally Unplayable At Launch Due to Connection Issues: "No, it's fine! It's a good game! Dont' complain about this! Let the Devs cook!"

The Railgun Gets Nerfed Two Weeks Later to Not Be The Best Option For Every Situation: "WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY DO THIS!? THE DEVS HAVE PERSONALLY INSULTED ME AND I WILL ENSURE THEY NEVER HAVE A MOMENT'S PEACE. DEAD GAME."

[spiral badger]

and zola is our boss

[shrewd kite]

i think every new class is going to have some fancy new systems, they would need to for the sake of differentiation

[opaque crown]

My impression is that the hive scum is a bit of a treat thrown to the necromunda fans and so has less mass appeal than the arbites, which is more a cool guy in armor and didn't REALLY need a lot of background to seem cool

[cyan depot]

Tbf this is the shitheads with rags and autoguns game

[fierce marten]

I expected nerfs but I didn't want my things nerf /s

[opaque crown]

I suspect the hive scum will be quite good once its out

[haughty ember]

I think hive scum is going to have really fun gameplay even if the actual lore is kinda meh

[cyan depot]

I’m actually stoked for the lore

I really dig having a local

[tough compass]

I wonder how they will do the dual wield animations lol

[haughty ember]

The stim system seems cool, people like go fast skill characters, etc

[fierce marten]

Mechanics look neat. I wonder what the UI for stim labs will be like

[mint yew]

dual wield is going to have to carry as far as I'm concerned

[shrewd kite]

sure, but the arbites is the guy who would normally be cracking said shitheads' skulls, so it's a cool contrast!

[mint yew]

but I admit I'm still having too much fun with arbites and burny psyker

[spring lynx]

I think the new banter is going to be a lot of fun

[shrewd kite]

yeah the personalities are gonna be fun

[fierce marten]

I'm expecting subversion and scum and arbites actually get along

[thick rivet]

I mean some Psyker personalities are locals

[cyan depot]

I agree

[spring lynx]

Lots of bickering with the Arbites and the Enforcer Pskyer

[thick rivet]

My psyker is a former enforcer

[spiral badger]

loose cannon vet and ganger conspiring to sell drugs when everyone else isn't looking

[fierce marten]

Shits on zealot for being too fanatic and of course cadian vet

[frank igloo]

to be fair this was also when the actual AT weapons just, didnt do their jobs

[ionic tusk]

also they didn't nerf some other OP stuff

[haughty ember]

Yeah you needed three rockets to kill a bile titan which was genuinely a problem

[spring lynx]

Comparing schemes with the criminal vet personality

[fierce marten]

HD2 is much better now

[cyan depot]

Yeah I think enforcer psyker is from the planet and… another one I don’t remember

[frank igloo]

like, to kill a hulk with the spear, you needed to hit a headshot

with the spear

otherwise it was 2 out of your 4 ammo total

[fierce marten]

Imagine if it's the scum that manages to teach Ogyrn to read

[ionic tusk]

like laser drone could 90% solo for a good while but randomly tk'd so it was 'balanced' and dodged every nerf

[thick rivet]

Me when I could kill Hulks with a single well-placed AMR shot

[haughty ember]

Arrowhead does half-nerfs where they only bring it down part of the way because they're afraid of the playerbase rioting again

[ionic tusk]

launch railgun didn't even need unstable mode to be good

[fierce marten]

TK dog got power crept by arc guard

[opaque crown]

new darktide class... a Crisis Battlesuit!

[ionic tusk]

no this was before the riots

[shrewd kite]

isn't one of the arbitrators originally Atoman, or am I making that up?

[spring lynx]

"Okay now try this word, alibi."

[haughty ember]

I see people complaining that dynamite went to 3 nades after it got buffed by 50% damage and went to 40 demo

[fierce marten]

No

[tough compass]

Oh, the Scum is getting a rocket launcher? I kind of hope the vet does

[haughty ember]

Scum is getting a rocket launcher

[fierce marten]

Arbite's specifically can't be deployed to their home system

[ionic tusk]

this was way before dynamite was even in the game

[cyan depot]

the illusion of free choice

• play helldivers
• play another game
• another year of helldivers discourse

[opaque crown]

I do kinda wish and hope and pray that we'll get an "illegal xeno's weapons pack"

[haughty ember]

sorry cyan

[mint yew]

Space Hulk Deathwing 2, featuring the entirely lore-accurate team of one Terminator, one Crisis Suit, one Necron Destroyer and one Kataphron

[ionic tusk]

me playing another game (darktide)

[cyan depot]

I’m just being cheeky so far to be clear

[sacred pagoda]

I’m disappointed, but I’m not gonna shit on it. Hive Gangers are just as much a part of the setting as the AdMech or Arbites. I don’t get the tantrum some people are having over this.

[fierce marten]

Me a polygamer

[haughty ember]

Also the whole schola progenium thing exists to deracinate and indoctrinate arbitrators before they ship out though the degree of programming isnt super consistent

[ionic tusk]

I repeatedly quit helldivers because I hate the game direction
then it starts dying and they do massive patches to fix everything and I come back for a bit
rinse and repeat

[shrewd kite]

clearly we need more genestealer discourse instead

[haughty ember]

i.e. sometimes Scions are borderline robotic and sometimes they're actual people

[fierce marten]

What do you mean, there are no genestealers on Atoma

[mint yew]

I would be more into this if there wasn't already an entire Hive Ganger Simulator horde shooter FPS where you have much cool tech and a dog

[cyan depot]

Hmm I’ll try

[tough compass]

Hmm. I was kind of hoping dial wielding would involve gun + sword in some way that also lets you block. Maybe like if you equip a one handed melee and ranged weapon switching is instant, but maybe that's too boring

[mint yew]

been there done that

[spring lynx]

Unfair, Genestealers can type faster

[spiral badger]

the arbites in darktide seem fairly indoctrinated

[ionic tusk]

genestealers?

[haughty ember]

Idk I'm pretty happy with HD2 except that the devs are too afraid to rein in certain weapons and abilities

[cyan depot]

why can’t GW sculpt hotties unless they’re GSC???

[fierce marten]

Genestealers have more hands

[cyan depot]

Is this anything

[opaque crown]

where we can get a shuriken rifle, a pulse carbine from the tau, a kroot gun staff, blast pistol maybe or a shard rifle, a pair of concussion knuckle dusters perhaps from the votann

[haughty ember]

There's a pretty steady armor pen creep too

[ionic tusk]

I do think things need to get nerfed a lot
but I'm unhaply with the enemy direction

[spiral badger]

they're just at varying levels of cynicism about ever accomplishing anything they've been indoctrinated to do

[shrewd kite]

i'd say fatalist isn't, but the other two are, in different ways

[mint yew]

OK, but in this case I demand the full Admech arsenal when we eventually get the skitarii class because there's no way it's harder to make a blast pistol than it is to make a shuriken catapult

[fierce marten]

Fatalist admits the system is broken and jank but they can't change it

[spiral badger]

no fatalist is, they've just hit the point where they've realized that the things they're programmed to want are impossible

[shrewd kite]

i don't even think maul is necessarily indoctrinated, i think they just like cracking heads honestly

[fierce marten]

Kind of outright heresy but for arbites

[spiral badger]

but they can't do anything else

[tough compass]

Fatalist is, just ironically through high levels of cynicism

[haughty ember]

That is the indoctrination

[spiral badger]

also the maul is the most Sloganeering of them

just spouting what are clearly Stock Catchphrases

[fierce marten]

I think maul enjoyed cracking heads before schola

[ionic tusk]

but when things were getting nerfed near the start of the game there weren't really many viable alternatives so it usually pushed players into 'this is the only viable weapon because the other good one got nerfed and the bad ones are still bad'

[spiral badger]

that they were probably drilled on

[shrewd kite]

i feel like the Savant psyker is the most interesting character in terms of indoctrination cause they're probably what a squishy lib looks like in 40k

[spiral badger]

I AM ADAMANT

[cyan depot]

Savant is enforcer right?

[shrewd kite]

yeah

[spiral badger]

yeah

[haughty ember]

yeah the zealot ad libs the maul is getting their lines from somewhere

[fierce marten]

Out of all the reject characters I can't believe the psyker was the cop

[spring lynx]

Brat pysker is my favourite

[haughty ember]

In fairness 40k cops are insane

[thick rivet]

savant psyker is so good

[fierce marten]

I would have expected a veteran to have an enforcer personality or zealot

[frank igloo]

i love fem loner psyker

[thick rivet]

especially if you give them the French Accent

[cyan depot]

Big same

[frank igloo]

shes having a bad day and shes making everyone else's problem

[tough compass]

Savant is the good cop archetype

[spring lynx]

That's the Cadian

[fierce marten]

It's moreso psykers with authority

[haughty ember]

Oh theres a number of implied latent psyker cops in the lore

[spiral badger]

vets and zealots are explicitly outside the enforcer hierarchy

[fierce marten]

That's latent

[sacred pagoda]

The Ogryns are just here to have a good time.

[spiral badger]

they can't be enforcers

[fierce marten]

Psyker is openly a sanctioned psyker

[mint yew]

male Loner psyker is probably my favourite one because he is just such a freakazoid, honourable mention to the judge dredd arbites

[opaque crown]

we can totally steal some admech guns if we're doing illegal weapon packs

[thick rivet]

Savant is one of the good kinds of cop; the one who doesn't become corrupt and gets made a fall guy

[haughty ember]

yeah but presumably the savant got spotted and then packed off to be sanctioned

[spiral badger]

at best maybe once an enforcer a long time ago

before getting tithe'd/going full faithful

[spring lynx]

The pskyer bickering is a lot of fun.

Closely followed by the Pskyer correcting the Zealot's High Gothic

[shrewd kite]

i always got the impression that savant was locally tolerated but not formally imperially sanctioned tbqh

[ionic tusk]

so the person who isn't allowed to be a cop because they aren't a bastard

[spiral badger]

zealots are dangerous vigilantes

[tough compass]

Honestly, Savant's psychic powers must have been the only thing that made the 40k cops tolerate him because he sure doesn't talk like a 40k anything, little alone a 40k cop, regarding how to treat people

[spiral badger]

and veterans are separated from their homes

[opaque crown]

yeah zealots are kinda just crazy people

[thick rivet]

Yep

[spiral badger]

they definitionally are disconnected from Being Cop

[thick rivet]

Savant is like

maybe the best person ethically speaking of the Rejects

[haughty ember]

They're not crazy but you can get away with a surprising amount if you claim the emperor told you to do it

[thick rivet]

Which is very funny

[fierce marten]

Bad cop but it's 40k so you're actually a good person

[haughty ember]

The ogryns are probably the best people lets be real

[thick rivet]

Okay that's fair

[spiral badger]

the zealots incidentally are gonna clash with the hive gangers

[haughty ember]

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt

[tough compass]

Some of the Ogryns are big jerks

[cyan depot]

I think woke zealot (forget the official name) and loner psyker are up there

[thick rivet]

Wait what

[sacred pagoda]

“I like to talk! Makes people happy!”

[fierce marten]

Ogyrn don't concern themselves witb ethics

[ionic tusk]

a lot of rejects are actually more based (lowercase) than they seem at first

[spring lynx]

Savant has the weird niche of not immediately being grabbed up by the Black Ships because they're useful as an Enforcer.

Which is very Judge Dredd

[thick rivet]

Woke Zealot???

[spiral badger]

as traditionally one of the number 1 pursuits of zealots is trying to fight hive gangs

[tough compass]

The one with the faulty bone-head implant seems very sweet though

[fierce marten]

Bully is kind of an asshole

[haughty ember]

Oh yeah one of the zealots is woke

[ionic tusk]

communist zealot?

[shrewd kite]

wait, which zealot do you mean? the scottish one?

[cyan depot]

One of the zealot voices has a lot of compassion for the poor and such

Not the Scottish one

[thick rivet]

Fair nuff

[haughty ember]

Which is actually part of the Creed

[spring lynx]

Bully knows how big he is, fun contrast from the other two

[spiral badger]

agitator

[fierce marten]

Not the fanatic for sure

[spring lynx]

Judge

[spiral badger]

sorry yeah judge

[haughty ember]

You are supposed to give charitably and help the poor and also burn mutants on sight

[thick rivet]

I forget what personality my Zealot has

[tough compass]

Yeah, one of the Zealots care about people. Still going to burn anyone with a whiff of heresey though. So you win some, you lose some

[spiral badger]

agitator is the high gothic faker

[cyan depot]

And is like clearly quietly uncomfortable with a lot of imperial society

[sacred pagoda]

Even the Bully is just kind of cantankerous, rather than actually mean.

[spring lynx]

They're still stern, but kinda fair for 40k

[spiral badger]

fanatic is the scottish yeller

[frank igloo]

the zealot that says that the people who fall to chaos usually do it because the nobles and cops and such force them into it

[shrewd kite]

agitator is the ye olde english one iirc

[spiral badger]

judge is the normalest sounding one and keeps commenting on how things suck

[shrewd kite]

the fraud

[ionic tusk]

my zealot has a voiceline of " which is worse, one who steals or one who steals the fruits of other's labor" in the same spot the savant psyker goes "the workers here commit no crime. the overseers however"

[thick rivet]

I think that might be my Zealot?

[spring lynx]

It matches Sister Pentia's take on things

[fierce marten]

Dang no wonder why they're a zealot in 40k, they believe in human decency

[tough compass]

Probably why they got sent to the prison ship

[spiral badger]

again zealot is a wide category of people who are dangerously faithful and willing to do something violent about it

[spring lynx]

She's a fun character, not a lot involvement atm

[thick rivet]

From what I remember my Zealot is like

Relatively even-handed for

A literal zealot?

[ionic tusk]

they're still hella bigoted but more recent bonding lines indicate that they don't actually harass the psykers if they can avoid it

[haughty ember]

No they're still okay with the burning they just want to direct it at the people in charge who they deem responsible

[shrewd kite]

well agitator is also faking their education and background, so that's also probably cause enough tbh

[spiral badger]

the actual secret hidden softie however

is the maul

[fierce marten]

Compassion is the weapon of the enemy

[tough compass]

It's pretty interesting how all the "cynical of imperial culture characters" of the original 4 are also pretty dyed-in-the-wool loyalists. I guess it's a "if only the Tzar knew of the cossacks" sort of situation

[spiral badger]

the maul is a giant soft touch under the yelling

[frank igloo]

woke zealot is a fun personality i just like my angry little scottish murder girlie a lot

[fierce marten]

Still sounds like a decent human being

[spring lynx]

It's the Maul who loves their Cybermastiff right?

[spiral badger]

yes

[frank igloo]

least likely 2 to fall to khorne

[haughty ember]

An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded etc

[spiral badger]

also the maul keeps getting called out for doing the other rejects polite favors, anonymously

[cyan depot]

I think my favorite voice line is the one with loose cannon and cutthroat about cadia falling

[spiral badger]

like, going out of their way to do kind things on behalf of their squadmates

and failing at denying it

[shrewd kite]

fem loose cannon might be my favourite personality in the game

[frank igloo]

shes up there for me

[spring lynx]

I'm torn between her or fem loner pskyer

[fierce marten]

My take is arbitrator knows the Lex enough to recite it. Maul knows it enough to begin doubting it. Fatalist knows it enough to realize it's a broken corrupt system.

[frank igloo]

also up there for me

[tough compass]

... even the wokest of the Rejects likes bloodshed more than a little too much lol

[mint yew]

I cannot remember what fem loner sounds like at all, probably because I play masc loner and he has a very distinctive shrieky voice

[haughty ember]

Well yeah but thats because the enemies are obviously evil

[frank igloo]

nah fanatic is different from woke zealot

[haughty ember]

They have spikes and are green and have horrible demon things

[ionic tusk]

the rejects are semi decent people in spite of being in 40k is the main thing

[fierce marten]

Fanatic has guilt from torching a town of innocent people

[spring lynx]

Love his correction on the subtitles, always gets me

[cyan depot]

Tbf this is 40K’s Overton Window so they’re like “errmm I think orphan grinder shifts should only be 10 hours”

[tough compass]

True, it does help when your enemies are comically evil

[opaque crown]

well a lot of their crimes were minor by modern standards, which is on purpose

[shrewd kite]

didn't one of the zealots burn down a whole hab block or something

[ionic tusk]

like way better than people larping as their classes usually give them credit

[opaque crown]

like not getting out of the way fast enough

[spiral badger]

there's a very funny convo between loose cannon vet and maul that basically goes
"Hey Arbitrator, thanks for getting me out of that bind with Brunt's lads."
"I did no such thing?"
"Really? Because I asked around and they said a plateface of your description told tthem to back off."
"Do not speak of this again."
"Yeah, thanks."

[fierce marten]

They felt deep regret over that

[spring lynx]

That's what I love about Darktide, it understands that you still need to give a fuck even if it's Grimdark

[fierce marten]

Mostly cause those people were not heretics. She's fine with the heretic towns burning and doing that personally

[tough compass]

I like the Maul's conversation about the mandatory edict for Rannick losing his cane

[frank igloo]

i ship my fem loner psyker and fem fanatic zealot

toxic yuri

[ionic tusk]

also all the arbites are wayyyy more tolerant of psyker's than the other classes yet players tend to act otherwise

[spring lynx]

I love that everyone hates Melk

[hushed glade]

The new class seems fun

[spiral badger]

the loner psyker kinda likes him

which means that everyone hates them too so it's fair

[cyan depot]

That kinda makes sense too

[fierce marten]

Rather ironic since psykers tend to be the primo causes of planet not paying tithes cause of demonic portal

[spring lynx]

Melk sucks up to the Pskyers A Lot

[cyan depot]

Since arbites have WAY more exposure to psykers then the average imperial

[hushed glade]

Usually the personality Melk likes are the ones that arer nice to him

[spiral badger]

each NPC has specific classes they like more and address differently btw

[cyan depot]

On account of handling a lot of planet-side black ships logistics

[fierce marten]

Tbf the reject psyker is built different

[spiral badger]

prine also has a split between classes she considers Sinners and ones she considers Blessed

[ionic tusk]

arbites understand the liability part rather than just fearing it

[spiral badger]

for example

[fierce marten]

They like are in direct proximity of chaos daemons and can warp edge and be fine afterwards

[shrewd kite]

the arbites do generally seem like th emost even-handed members of the party tbh, the only real prejudice i could find in any of them is that maul haaates the savant psyker, and that's for betraying their post

[spring lynx]

One of the Arbites calling the Pskyers 'The Liability' is an elegant bit of writing

[spiral badger]

and she will address them differently

[haughty ember]

Also less superstition since they're trained for the job in the schola rather than "hate and fear the witch"

[frank igloo]

its not class, its personality

[spring lynx]

Yes this person is scary, but you have to work with the scary bomb

[ionic tusk]

liability is the class nickname from arbites to payker, it's all of them afaik

[spiral badger]

(Zealots, nice ogryns, and professional vet are Faithful, everyone else is a Sinner)

[frank igloo]

also arbites

[fierce marten]

Well 2 of 3 arbites

[ionic tusk]

like how even savant psyker calls arbites 'oppressor'

[fierce marten]

Local cop hates space federal cop

[spring lynx]

Also Arbites probably have lived through Pskyers going liability, as opposed to most people who are less fortunate.

[ionic tusk]

nah they're pretty friendly and eager afaik

[spiral badger]

Melk I think likes loner and savant psyker, ogryn brawler, vet pro, and zealot agitator

[frank igloo]

some hive scum weapons

[spiral badger]

and thinks everyone else is annoying

[spring lynx]

Veteran calling them Provost is a neat touch

[fierce marten]

I hope when you hold the dual stub pistols it's sideways

[spring lynx]

NEEDLE PISTOL?

Yesss

[cyan depot]

I’m really curious how it’ll work

[spiral badger]

Hadron on the other hand holds everyone in equal contempt

[cyan depot]

Since it’s a fucking weird gun in lore

[spiral badger]

and thus does not change no matter who talks to her

[shrewd kite]

what does the 40k needle pistol do exactly

is it not just a nailgun, because it looks like a nailgun

[hushed glade]

Tiny poison dart

[tough compass]

It's definitely the toxic DoT applicator

[ionic tusk]

tho there is one line that does manage to both use the nickname but also defy it
"liability? not today! today you are the hammer of the lex!"

[haughty ember]

It fires crystals of poison

[cyan depot]

It’s a high powered laser to burn through armor and deliver a crystalline poison shard

[hushed glade]

Like so small armor is basically useless

[shrewd kite]

hm, well they're adding player-side chem status effect so yeah, it'll probably just be a single target applicator

[cyan depot]

Intensely armor piercing, entirely silent, lethally toxic

[regal pendant]

My question is

[spring lynx]

In Necromunda it's to deliver toxins or chems, could be ranged Stimms delivery

[regal pendant]

How is Ganger gonna be meaningfully different

[ionic tusk]

are you sure? I thought she liked some personalities 🤔

[fierce marten]

There's a dev post on it

[shrewd kite]

horrible ammo economy and handling, high AP/accuracy is my guess?

[spring lynx]

The Escher gang get a lot of toxin flavour stuff

[ionic tusk]

there's also a mod to force npcs into acting certain ways towards your character heheho

[haughty ember]

Ganger appears to be faster with an emphasis on short range and high mobility

[cyan depot]

I think it might be more accurate to say she holds some in double-contempt :p

[haughty ember]

They're probably going to be really squishy

[fierce marten]

And Stims

[spiral badger]

her relationship with you improves based on Trust but not personality as far as I can tell

[fierce marten]

They got debuff and buffs the class

[tough compass]

I didn't realize the Needler had a armor-piercing laser. But I guess that explains why it works on anyone in that universe, ha

[haughty ember]

Needlers only sometimes have lasers

[shrewd kite]

the impression i got is that you use your stim to temp-buff your toughness and use that to dive

[spring lynx]

That's the Space Marine scout rifle iirc

[hushed glade]

I have never seen the Needler have a laser

[haughty ember]

Sometimes its just the poison

[spiral badger]

she is mildly less acerbic once you've proved that you won't break all your shit or lose it

[hushed glade]

it's always been just a needle

[regal pendant]

...I am excited to see the Loose Cannon interact with the Ganger if nothing else

[fierce marten]

Toxin grenade, AoE stim med crate, lessens damage of those affected by toxin

[cyan depot]

The scout rifle is a needle weapon

[fierce marten]

Dual wields

[spring lynx]

Normal needle pistol is a dart gun but with much more spicy chems

[haughty ember]

Hadron is surprisingly patient with the ogryns but they also don't get her sarcasm

[mortal crystal]

I'm so fucking excited. If they can get Escher drip I'm dead.

[fierce marten]

1 cosmetic set like arbites /s

[spring lynx]

I love the Ad Mech, especially the 'pre-servitors' guy

[spring lynx]

The fit in the trailer is very Escher

[mortal crystal]

I would be soooo pissed

[spring lynx]

Right down to the armoured sports bra

[haughty ember]

And also her being condescending towards the rest of the rejects is also just using words the ogryns understand which is funny

[fierce marten]

Im going to leave with this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiAiZInRITI

[mortal crystal]

There's an entire worth of outfits

[dawn totem]

From a "yes, we are this desperate," perspective of Darktide, gangers works.

[fierce marten]

Reginald was one of the NDA content creators play testers

[mortal crystal]

Extremely, just not the right colors

[spring lynx]

Ooh imagine a Death Maiden fit

[fierce marten]

The thing I dislike about Scum is theyre too muted colors compared to the minis

[shrewd kite]

tbh as far as i can tell GW is happy to handle generic gangers as 'idk they're guys from 2000AD' so that leaves some room open for interesting cosmetics at least

[mint yew]

I am hoping they go hard on the cosmetics because the default look does put me to sleep

[opaque crown]

the general presumption i have is that even though us and every other reject player is fucking KILLIN it, we're actually haemorrhaging rejects like crazy

[mint yew]

played Necromunda, played CP2077, kind of good on punk with autopistol gaming at present

[spring lynx]

GWs relative disinterest is good for doing neat stuff with Necromunda

[shrewd kite]

yeah if you got rid of the inquisition belt thing i would believe that she was a fallout raider

[cyan depot]

I think it’s kinda cool there’s some cosmetics that kind of replicate the shirtless bug

[mint yew]

give me that Van Saar drip

[cyan depot]

Since that was awfully funny

[spiral badger]

we are the tip of a large pyramid of inquisition sacrificial forces

[fierce marten]

Were not sacrificial anymore

[spiral badger]

there were thousands of rejects at the start and the vast majority of them are dead

[fierce marten]

rolling steel were like elite operatives in the rankings

[opaque crown]

assuming we're level 30, we're not sacrificial anymore; but there are a lot of not level 30 rejects

[shrewd kite]

rolling steel and the orthrus offensive are for the elite tier operatives yeah

[spring lynx]

And the rest are now friends, begrudgingly

[fierce marten]

Yea carnival killed most rejects bad

[haughty ember]

Also even with players killing it wipes are still not uncommon

And most of the story rejects are not guided by player hands

[spiral badger]

we have been reinforced, first with the mobian 23rd and 53rd and then with the arbites

but it's Still Just Not Enough

[ionic tusk]

this is my favorite interpretation
for every trust level 2 reject there's 4 dead trust level 1 rejects
and so on

[fierce marten]

Local moebians just dont cut it

[shrewd kite]

i assume the scum is going to be part of a wider narrative thing of us linking up with remaining elements of the water cartel too

[fierce marten]

Moe 6 was the best on Atoma

[spring lynx]

We have found more bodies to throw at this

[cyan depot]

Probably has something to do with the food stuff too

[spring lynx]

Oh there's going to be even more bickering from the Commissar and the Judge

[spiral badger]

and based on some chatter this situation was already beyond the point where it should have been risked on reclaiming from the start

[fierce marten]

We went from paramilitary numbers to elite hit squad number fast

[spring lynx]

Meanwhile Sgt Dad is just happy to have people who know the territory and can use a gun

[spiral badger]

the only reason the fighting is still happening rather than just Exterminatusin' the place is Mobian Steel (public) and Grendyl's Plan (Private)

[fierce marten]

Yea arbites came against grendyl's wishes

[spiral badger]

and grendyl's plan is clearly taking too long

[fierce marten]

Grendyl didnt want interference but his some sort of strongarmingg to keep him in charge if the arbites wont leave

[spiral badger]

so they're pulling out all the stops

to continue holding out

[fierce marten]

Which strongarming an entire arbites company even as an inquistor is a huge flex

Grendyl has powerful secrets

[spring lynx]

Also it's several layers of "nuh uh we have jurisdiction now"

[spiral badger]

yeah

[ionic tusk]

well the arbites say it themselves
it's seen as their own fuckup that it got this bad

[spring lynx]

Like the full force of several layers of 40k bureaucracy colliding together

It's great

[spiral badger]

this a civil disturbance (arbites) a military uprising (mobian 53rd) and a dangerous heresy (inquistion)

[fierce marten]

Jursdiction dont matter to an inquistor, likewise arbites dont care about inquisitor authority. Theyre both outisde the system

[hushed glade]

Jurisdiction matters to an Inquisitor

[fierce marten]

Its just a game of influence on whos really in charge

[ionic tusk]

'this more than your inquisitioral seal, protects you' in reponse to morrow saying it was their fault

[spring lynx]

Ad Mech are eventually going to get stuck in on the Mobian Steel

[hushed glade]

because Jurisdiction usually means "I have more guys with guns here than you do"

[fierce marten]

Pretty much

[haughty ember]

Well the arbites dont care about civil disturbances they care about the Tithe and this is big enough to affect the Tithe

[hushed glade]

And 40k realpolitik boils down to murder 99% of the time

[mint yew]

the current admech presence is what, two enginseers?

[spring lynx]

Yeah

[dawn totem]

This protracted war is so bad they're deputizing the local scum. Which I'm sure will go so over with everyone else.

[mint yew]

Hadron doesn't seem like a full Magos

[fierce marten]

Which means in this situation Grendyl has more power despite having so much less manpower than the arbites marshall

[haughty ember]

I think hadron has rank

[fierce marten]

Hadron is a tech archaelogist

[hushed glade]

Hadron isn'tt

[cyan depot]

There’s more but they’re not cool with Grendyl I think

[hushed glade]

the other guy is

[fierce marten]

High up but not magos

[spring lynx]

One of whom I think is seconded to Shipmistress Brahms

[fierce marten]

But the ship has a magos that is not kayex or hadron

[hushed glade]

But Atoma doesn't have a Magos, it's not a forge world.

[mint yew]

Kayex the welsh techpriest is an Enginseer

[fierce marten]

You never see the magos on the ship

[spiral badger]

we don't know her exact rank but she's from a forge world

[haughty ember]

A magos would be running the leman russ plant at a minimum

[mint yew]

non-Forge Worlds have plenty of Magi, you need one for various large important things

[ionic tusk]

magos has lines in mortis

[fierce marten]

Only Brahm and Rannick knows the Magos exists and now us via Mortis Trials and Sephoni

[haughty ember]

And its a hive city so theres a bunch of stuff that needs admech presence

[spring lynx]

There's gonna be a Magos with Skitarii rolling up telling the others to [insult in binary]

[ionic tusk]

I thought they were also mentioned in hab dreyko?

[mint yew]

and "from a forge world" resolves basically nothing since those are comically huge in many cases

[dawn totem]

I thought that the Arbites showed up announced to show everyone "How it's done."

[mint yew]

Hadron strikes me as a senior adept

[fierce marten]

Thats what hadron is for

[spiral badger]

and yeah tehre is a Magos present

[haughty ember]

Oh Kharib is a magos

[ionic tusk]

"magos kharib made a blessed ungunt of shriving"

[spiral badger]

and his existence is known

yeah

[spring lynx]

Ohh

[spiral badger]

but he's busy

[fierce marten]

Hadron is rather high up as a tech archaeologist

[ionic tusk]

he doesn't talk but you feed him data

[fierce marten]

She is very upset shes basically short of a magos in ranking but is fixing weapons instead

[spring lynx]

I do enjoy each subsequent faction thinks they can fix it and then also gets bogged down

[mint yew]

oh trust me, basically all techpriests are capable of telling the unordained to [unmentionable], you get that skillset at junior adept

[spiral badger]

basically he's supposedly constantly busy doing Experiments which are supposedly to combat the plague but secretly, as revealed by the mortis trials, to do with Someone biomechanically lashed to the Mourningstar

[fierce marten]

And Hadron is a savant only being around 400 and at her rank

[spring lynx]

You hate to be overqualified for your job

[ionic tusk]

I don't think arbites think they can fix it

[mint yew]

the amount of time it takes you to reach Magos varies widely depending on the writer, Tayber got there in a few decades

[haughty ember]

Arbites always think they can fix it, that's their job

[mint yew]

Hadron does not have 400 year old techpriest vibes, but maybe she's a real outlier

[fierce marten]

Unironically for her, shes one of the few tech priests that can handle and study undiscovered tech in ruins

[dawn totem]

I do love the general vibe of any 40k game where desperate faction within the Imperium are forced to get along.

[fierce marten]

400 years old is rather young

[haughty ember]

or they're supposed to be the last holdouts of imperial authority when shit goes sideways which is why all the precincts are covered in guns

[fierce marten]

She has the young sassy lady vibes to me

[spiral badger]

to be fair felicia tayber is a weird special case and was probably partially promoted to keep the circle of trust around the shadowlight as small as possible

[spring lynx]

You hate to be put in the big get along hive

[mint yew]

Cawl is not representative of most techpriests, 400 is quite old for a Magos

[tough compass]

Maybe she is 400 years old because she got in a warp transport time accident and plays it up

[ionic tusk]

I think they were hoping it would get dealt with without anyone noticing they let the civil disturbance happen but are now like 'this is taking too long, someone's gonna notice us sitting this one out'

[shrewd kite]

Arbites are here to restore the tithe, right? That necessitates getting Atomas affairs in order

[cyan depot]

She’s 400 ish “cycles” old

[mint yew]

they don't really die of old age but they don't stay young go-getters for way longer than normal mortals

[cyan depot]

It might not be years

[spiral badger]

the exact line is

[fierce marten]

Tech priest social skills decrese by a factor of 200

[spiral badger]

"[Sigh] So be it. I have been operative for 392.1736 Terran cycles. I have been angry for most of them."

[tough compass]

Actually only 400 days old would be very funny

[cyan depot]

Maybe that’s when she last slept

[opaque crown]

i was under the impression that the arbites werent entirely within grendyls plans and they'rej ust adapting to it

[haughty ember]

Maybe thats how long its been since she slept

Dammit cyan

[cyan depot]

Same mind haha

[fierce marten]

Damn tech priest sleeping?

[tough compass]

I'd probably have a short fuze if I hadn't slept for that long

[dawn totem]

Oh gosh yes. The commissars have their work cut out. Especially if order from on high say no to just shooting trouble-makers on account they need more bodies to throw at this problem

[spiral badger]

it could very well be that she was in the warp for it and she's measuring in objective time

[mint yew]

I could buy her being 400 years old if it was explicitly because she was extremely politically disliked and as such that's why she a) hasn't made Magos and b) is out here hanging out with an inquisitor and a bunch of chumps

[tough compass]

(if I wasn't, you know, dead)

Although I like the idea of Tech Priests measuring uptime like a Linux enthusiast

[opaque crown]

i do think its a fun thing that arbites precincts are referred to as fortress precincts and are designed to handle being sieged by the planet's population

[mint yew]

but most Magi are considerably younger than that because there are many HH magi who know only the Great Crusade, which was approx. 200 years long

[cyan depot]

Ok yep, they would

[dawn totem]

That's what I thought.

[spiral badger]

there's definitely some Time Fuckery Going on though IMO

[opaque crown]

Knowing that warp and stasis shenanigans are a thing; Morrow is fucking old as shit isnt he?

Pretty sure he fought at the first war for armageddon

[spring lynx]

Yeah, can't exterminatus, can't just invade it, have to work together for once this millennium

[tough compass]

Morrow definitely got into a warp jump time accident

[fierce marten]

Yup

[ionic tusk]

morrow was on ice I think
for eons

[spiral badger]

because it's implied at one point that Rannick knows the inquistorial adept that captured Morrow after Armageddon

[fierce marten]

Morrow got crolyo freezer

Grendyl was alive during that time

[tough compass]

Oh, I see they updated the lore that I haven't looked into

[spiral badger]

which is impossible without time fuckery because that was, minimum, 700 some odd years ago

[fierce marten]

So he's at least 500 years old

[spring lynx]

Cryo Freezer and Warp Blip right?

[cyan depot]

Oh was he frozen?

[tough compass]

Is this mostly the Mortis Trail stuff?

[fierce marten]

Yea

[cyan depot]

I figured it was warp travel time slip

[tough compass]

I should probably do those lol

[spring lynx]

Yeah it comes up in the Sefoni stuff

[fierce marten]

Grendyl sought him out

[ionic tusk]

morrow got strongarmed by an inquistor which then had their ship looted and he was the only survivor (because he wasn't up and about)

[spiral badger]

yeah morrow is canonically a survivor of the first war for armageddon

[fierce marten]

Cause Grendyl knew of Morrow before he was frozen

[spiral badger]

which was in 444 M41

[ionic tusk]

morrow is old (timeline) not old (age)

[sacred pagoda]

Grendyl is an Abominable Intelligence, isn’t he?

[spring lynx]

"You are being rescued, please don't resist."

[clear ridge]

yoo the new class is a fucking hiveboy?

[fierce marten]

As the guy who "found" his commissar dead with a shot to the front of the head

[clear ridge]

love to see it

[spiral badger]

we are presently somewhere around 100 M42

[mint yew]

the most elite Myrmidons are mentioned to have "a century" of practice, and they're one tiny step below Magos Myrmidax, so I would expect reaching Magos to happen between one and two centuries on average based on that + length of GC

[tough compass]

Grendyl has basically no details about him right?

[fierce marten]

Opposite

Grendyl knows a ton about Morrow

[spring lynx]

Ork Kommandos we're all over Armageddon, only targeted officers for some reason

[cyan depot]

I think either Hadron isn’t measuring years or she’s concealing her power level and rank to seek out stuff on the DL

[fierce marten]

Rannick doesn't get and is curious why Grendyl had them spend a ton of resources trying to find a cyropod near armaggeddeon just to find Morrow

[mint yew]

got it, Hadron dreadnought war form is currently in a shipping container somewhere

[ionic tusk]

morrow was being a badass in a war and a now long dead inquisitior pulled a 'you work for me now'
he refused
so she just iced him until she could brainwash him
then sefoni picked up where she left off

[tough compass]

I am pretty in on the theory that Hadron is talking about the time since she last slept in that sentence because I feel like it fits the facts the best

[mint yew]

the reason she's so grumpy is because she's used to being Domitar-sized

[tough compass]

And it'd be weird to say she was really old if she was conceling her rank lol

[fierce marten]

It was implied she was sabotaged and died on armaggeddeon

[cyan depot]

Since I kind of get the feeling she’s mutually using Grendyl to get imperial access to places like the mobian steel factory and such

[dawn totem]

After the Cicatrix Malidictum, lots of Imperial worlds are way more valuable now.

[ionic tusk]

tho it's probably more sefoni unfucked his brainwashing and ptsd enough to function than made him compliant

[spring lynx]

I like that Sefoni VA also voices Ducane, and I think one of the Arbites

[tough compass]

I think everyone in that warband is mutually using each other

[cyan depot]

Like those walking meatsacks will remember

[mint yew]

yeah but they don't matter

[tough compass]

"eh, you'll probably be dead tomorrow. It's fine to tell you"

[fierce marten]

Yea, Sefoni basically mind interrogated him per Grendyls request but left the brain wash in so he hardly remembers everything but before freezing

[mint yew]

and there probably are a lot of techpriests who straight up don't make Magos, it's still a senior rank, she just seems way too competent to not have made it

[slender shell]

I imagine Hedron like this. What we see is just the light, most of her is out of sught

[fierce marten]

Why they didn't want him remembering everything? No clue

[tough compass]

Hadron definitely goes on some sneaky mission that Rannick finds out about and cites an agreement for why she is allowed to use the rejects for it

[dawn totem]

You know, if they're not going to use Ratlings as a class. I could see a special mission where you assist a covert team of Ratling snipers/sappers.

[cyan depot]

You mean his mind after unfreezing was wiped?

[spring lynx]

Would explain why he's the most reasonable of the warband

[cyan depot]

Or the first war memories were wiped?

[ionic tusk]

he did just get torn away from his no hopers despite standing up to an inquisitior for them

[fierce marten]

It was partially wiped before freezing

[cyan depot]

Oh, that makes sense

[tough compass]

Maybe she just hates politics

[spiral badger]

he was already being conditioned to act as an inquistorial agent

[spring lynx]

Yeah, you're picking up their breakfast order, it's a raid mission

[spiral badger]

just for a different inquisitor

[cyan depot]

SOP for all imperial forces at the first war for Armageddon too important to liquidate

[fierce marten]

Sefoni kept it that way even though she could have undone the memory wipe per Grendyl

[dawn totem]

Like you need to funnel high priority targets to a good sniping position. Or serve as a temporary distraction while they do the actual mission.

[opaque crown]

Isn't Hadron a Technoarchaelogist? KX refers to her as such

[spiral badger]

yeah but that's a job

[fierce marten]

Yes

[spiral badger]

not a rank

[fierce marten]

It's a rank

[spiral badger]

no, it's a job

[mint yew]

it's not a rank, Arkhan Land was a technoarchaeologist and he was a senior Archmagos

[spiral badger]

the rank is artisan

usually

[dawn totem]

The Ratling squad could hack into comms for some extra convo moments with the rejects.

[ionic tusk]

does hadron even care about rank though?

[fierce marten]

Not anyone could become a techarchaeologist its at minimum higher up in the rankings

[spiral badger]

this is probably incomplepte

[mint yew]

the one we have on the tabletop is a well-sub-Magos chump

[fierce marten]

She does care about not doing her job

[tough compass]

Oh, clearly the problem Hadron has is that GW hasn't made a higher-rank Technoarchaeologist model yet. Can't get promoted until that exists

[ionic tusk]

I think she's in with grendyl and while the rejects are annoying she's willing to do anything for her archeology

[spiral badger]

but assuming she is an artisan she's on a different job track than magos

[fierce marten]

Its a rather prestigious role

[mint yew]

technoarch is clearly a job you can get into basically the moment you're a priest

[cyan depot]

Artisans don’t usually get out much iirc

[mint yew]

there are many junior ones

and then Arkhan still has that title despite being legendary even among the Magi

[dawn totem]

Ratling missing could even have them leave rejects supply drops. The gag being that you never really see them.

[fierce marten]

What are the junior ones

[spiral badger]

i think the technical title is tech-acquisitor

[ionic tusk]

that's the pre moebian steel forge mission

[mint yew]

that diagram doesn't seem to fit with 99% of the things we see about the Machine Cult, because there are Magos Logis and Magos Genetor, as well as Magi ascended from the ranks of the Electropriests and Transmechanics

[fierce marten]

Isnt tech acquisitor different from technoarchaelogist

[mint yew]

the one we have on the tabletop, who doesn't even have an axe and is about as well equipped as a chump enginseer besides that

adept-ranked

[dawn totem]

The squad itself could be a crack Ratling commando in the hive city with a their handler as a new member of the ships crew.

[mint yew]

the mini is Daedalosus, but the stats are generic

[tough compass]

It does get a cool gun in Kill Team

[cyan depot]

I think I found out why Hadron hasn’t taken the promotion

[dawn totem]

I don't know. I think Ratling missions would be a fun way for Fatshark to have their cake and eat it too.

[mint yew]

the 40k ranks for techpriests make relatively little sense, because almost all those guys have Magi among their ranks

[fierce marten]

Ratling minigames

[spiral badger]

she would have to take on a human pet and she really doesn't want to

[cyan depot]

The Kill Team one fuckin whips

[mint yew]

so the org chart having "Magi" as a separate thing from genetor/artisan/fleet techpriests/administratum techpriests is just gibberish

[tough compass]

If those are ranks, they are very bizarre because they are so different from each other, ha

[cyan depot]

He’s out here playing Doom while everyone else is playing CSGO

[mint yew]

every ship has at least one, possibly many Magi

and they're all transmechanics

[fierce marten]

Trans because they aschewed their assigned gender at birth

[spiral badger]

the mourningstar's local magos is Magos Kharib for the record

[mint yew]

the 30k org chart just has variants of Magos and priest, which is way more sensible

which would put Hadron as an Explorator Adept or Archeologist Adept who would simply rank up to Magos [whatever]

[fierce marten]

They believe in the gender binary but the binary is 0s and 1s and they go both ways

[spiral badger]

hadron is part of the inquistorial warband, kayex is somewhere under kharib

[spring lynx]

"Varlet, what are your preferred pronouns."

[dawn totem]

Here's hoping one of the gangers has a New York accent for no reason.

[cyan depot]

E1M1 is playing on my aurals and I choose to experience it
runs 15” and 1 taps a Cryptek

[fierce marten]

Proceeds to not use them and only calls you varlet/reject

[fierce marten]

Boston but slightly british ganger would get me to preorder scum

[spiral badger]

we know basically nothing about kharib except he's a magos biologos

which is Weird

[opaque crown]

im waiting for Grendyl to fall into the trap of "I had a secret plan to weaponize uncontrollable xenos I'm trying to put an end to before this chaos invasion reveals it" plot

[spring lynx]

Ray Winston: Hive Ganger

[spiral badger]

why did the ship have a magos biologos before all of this happened

because he's explicitly the ship's magos

[fierce marten]

The classic im built different radical inquisitor

[dawn totem]

"Yous heretic wise guys better take a powder. Or it's ring-a-ding-ding fer yous bozos."

[ionic tusk]

they were brought in to study the blight and suggested exterimantus

[spiral badger]

not an inquisitorial magos

no, he was with the ship before that

that's the weird bit

[opaque crown]

Rogue traders get some weird ship crews that kinda suit their whims and needs

[tough compass]

It is really funny that that kill team is a heavily interdependent team plus admech doomguy is there

[fierce marten]

Imagine Hive Scum but its TF2 Scout

[spiral badger]

mortis trials reveal kharib has been with the ship a long time

[spring lynx]

Later getting the Officio Assasinorum as the TF2 spy

[spiral badger]

longer than the present shipmistress brahms

[opaque crown]

Rogue Traders kinda get to negotiate and acquire their own crews at will, so theres always room for weird members who wouldn't be found on standard ship crews

[fierce marten]

Im the God Emperor's gift to women - Scout Ganger

[ionic tusk]

I think kayex is responsible for most of the actual ship stuff given bhram's interactions with them 🤔

[spiral badger]

and in fact shipmistress brahms kinda hates him

buut can't get rid of him

[cyan depot]

Yeah it’s one of my favorite dynamics for a team

[dawn totem]

Or better yet:
"Heretic-types! RATTLE EM BOYS!"

[mint yew]

where's the "inquisitors in their own books/inquisitors in other books" meme

[spiral badger]

for Reasons

[fierce marten]

Caush Kharib out ranks her in practice

Someone essentially having more authority than a Rogue Trader on their own ship is wild

[spring lynx]

I like the Welsh Tech priest

[cyan depot]

They have a highly tactical mutually supporting kill unit featuring specialized servitors

As a bodyguard for this fucking guy who just runs around with his super gun and space marine-ish stats fuckin with objectives

[spiral badger]

(the actual reason is some unknown brahms ancestor is biomechanically lashed to the ship in some form and kharib is their caretaker/trying to figure out how to get them out)

[fierce marten]

But Grendyl does somehow and so does Kharib

[ionic tusk]

aren't they also drawing inordinate amounts of power for god emperor knows what?

[fierce marten]

I also beileve this

[mint yew]

battleclade is very nice aesthetically

[spiral badger]

that is literally what is revealed in the mortis trials

[spring lynx]

Really see why Rogue Traders stay the fuck away from the Inquisition

[mint yew]

I don't vibe with kill team in general but they're gorgeous and I like the "two techpriest coworkers and their chumps" dynamic

[tough compass]

I'm impressed they made servitors that look good.

[spiral badger]

it is also possible this anncestor is actually grendyl

[fierce marten]

My headcanon is Grendyl ship life support is failing and explains the trials line about kharib taking too much power and trying to get a body

[spiral badger]

but that's not been 100% confirmed

[mint yew]

I'm tempted to get a bunch just to use in big 40k because they're good objective monkeys

[fierce marten]

Grendyl is related to Brahm

[spiral badger]

it just seems likely

[ionic tusk]

wow

[fierce marten]

Brahm has a line refering to Grendyl as like great great granddad or something

[cyan depot]

I realize it doesn’t mean much unless you know KT but the eradication pistol is basically the meanest pistol in the game

[fierce marten]

And head of her house's bloodline

[spring lynx]

Much like the Horus Heresy, a lot this is about family drama

[ionic tusk]

ough I'm gonna have to do another like 100 mortis trials to get the 5 story dumps I'm missing aren't I

[cyan depot]

And Seeker of Divine Arcana makes him one of the fastest operatives in kill team

[fierce marten]

Motto of 40k, parents should goto therapy

[mint yew]

that's probably an archaeotech pistol, which are S6 AP3 D2 breaching 3+ in Heresy

AKA "kills a terminator on 3+"

[fierce marten]

If you doont enjoy it there are compilations on youtube

[mint yew]

so fits

[cyan depot]

Yeah that sounds about right

[mint yew]

one of those grab bag weapon categories that includes a bunch of different guns that can blow a marine sized hole in a marine

[cyan depot]

It’s basically a melta gun with 2 more inches of range

[ionic tusk]

I need the penance anyways

[clear ridge]

i should have opened this thread earlier, i'm learning so much...

[cyan depot]

I lied what the fuck it has 1” Devastating 3???

Jfc I forgot how stupid of a gun it is

[spiral badger]

yeah the mortis trials imply basically that grendyl is a brahms ancestor who is tied to the mourningstar somehow and is in the middle of a long term plan to get himself out, that kharib is monitoring

[cyan depot]

It’s basically an aoe meltagun

[ionic tusk]

what does that Do

[spiral badger]

and that the Shit Happening on Atoma is basically in the way of his plan

[fierce marten]

Also Mourningstar wouldnt exist without Grendyl being alive

[cyan depot]

Basically every crit you roll is 3 automatic damage to the target and everyone within an inch of them

[ionic tusk]

Oh

[cyan depot]

And you have 4 attack dice and crit on a 5+

[fierce marten]

He saved the Mourningstar once at great cost and cant leave it and continues to save it by existing

[cyan depot]

So a good roll just Kills everything within an inch of the target

[drowsy tusk]

Sort of like how the multi melter is a small blast template in Necromunda

[fierce marten]

Mitress Brahm hates it cause she would not be a rogue trader if Grendyl went as she'd have no ship

[haughty ember]

Gun of kills you instantly

[cyan depot]

It’s also effectively a 4/6 profile so it obliterates people with poor armor

[spiral badger]

and all the sacrifices being done on atoma are solely to buy enough time for grendyl's plan to finish to whatever goal

[fierce marten]

So basically serves Grendyl

Something at the bottom of Atoma is somehow going to fix everything

[spiral badger]

which is still unclear other than "grendyl stops being stuck to the mourningstar"

[fierce marten]

Same something that Sefoni says is a psychic null at the bottom

[ionic tusk]

is genestealers a possibility

[spiral badger]

very possible

[fierce marten]

It is

[spiral badger]

but there's a lot of things that couldd be a psychic null that they would be interested in

[fierce marten]

I imagine theyre moreso guarding the thing Grendyl wants

[spiral badger]

necron tech

[cyan depot]

Psychic null sounds like necron stuff to me yeah

[spiral badger]

personally I think it's necron tech because necron tech is highly related to being stuck without a biological body

[fierce marten]

My guess is Grendyl made a pact with a chaos daemon of Tzeench who opposes Nurgle so he wants something like blackstone to cut himself off from the warp so he isnt bound to the agreement

Im guessing Grendyls great sacrifice involved a pact

[sonic elbow]

a hell of a null could mean pretty much anything since this is 40k and there comes a point where being anti magic turns into being magic

[fierce marten]

So funny in SM2 how you just flip it

[sonic elbow]

...depending on which of the 3+ ways to be null they mean

[fierce marten]

Have youve tried changing the pylon to wmore-warp

[sonic elbow]

I've no clue what happens in SM2, something about that game made it emergency dive below my radar

[spiral badger]

titus is warp resistant for ???? reasons

[sonic elbow]

I think our star signs are incompatible because I'm just getting a bad feeling about it

[cyan depot]

Lore accurate to noctilith amusingly enough

[spiral badger]

which constantly confuses everyone

[fierce marten]

Not Leandros

[spiral badger]

he's clearly not a blank or anything he's just built different