#dark tidings (Darktide for people in the searchbar)

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finite nymph
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Still sometimes feels like empty chests: the game even on regular difficulty

shrewd kite
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yeah i think the anti-ranged bias is a bit strong. the map and enemy design already strongly discourages any kind of camping and punishes tunnel vision pretty severely

drowsy tusk
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Big news

shrewd kite
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let people shoot guns!

finite nymph
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Game needs Vermintide 2 infinite ammo crates at random

marsh gyro
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Looks like kuli's Steam guide on debuffs is saying Tier 5 mod is -60% so not so bad, I think early Havoc was -85% yeah

spiral badger
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yep

finite nymph
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85, that seems nonfunctional

spiral badger
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there's so much more enemy mass in elites in havoc 40 now so a vet with the aura will get a lot of value

marsh gyro
spiral badger
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yeah initial release havoc was basically zealot+psykerville

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because ogryns hadn't been reworked and sucked

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and veterans just could not afford to shoot

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so it was all knife zealots and psykers

finite nymph
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What's FOTM psykerstaff, is Voidstrike still cracked

opaque crown
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I dont really qualify the classes based on their peformance in Havoc as far as "good" vs "suck"

shrewd kite
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oh yeah i still haven't tried the ogryn rework either

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much to do

finite nymph
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How rework-y are we talking

spiral badger
drowsy tusk
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solid buffs

spiral badger
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same as it ever was tbh

shrewd kite
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i think it was just a light touch rework, like shuffling nodes around on the tree and buffing some bad nodes.

spiral badger
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no it was a significant rework

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with changes to almost every node

finite nymph
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Ogryn was one of those 'I don't know which nodes are the bad nodes'

shrewd kite
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is gungryn useful now?

spiral badger
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yes

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and much more powerful

shrewd kite
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nice

marsh gyro
spiral badger
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because they gave a node that is basically like

finite nymph
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I felt functional as Grenadaier Gauntlet Gungryn so should be doing nicely

spiral badger
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half-ass ogryn weapon spec

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if you get 10 melee kills your next shot is a guaranteed crit, scaling up in crit per kill

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so you can combine that with lucky bullet to get infinite free ammo shots if you're good at counting to 10

shrewd kite
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my favourite ogryn ranged weapon was the funny GL that bonks people and bounces off their head

opaque crown
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ogryn? Counting?

shrewd kite
marsh gyro
spiral badger
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and it makes the shot not take ammo

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so you can immediately fire the rumbler twice

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for example

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technically you can fire it as many times in a row as you can crit

opaque crown
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even twin stubber gungryn feels prtty good

spiral badger
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they nerfed it a little by capping burn

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but it's still fine

opaque crown
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though you will likely still poop through all your ammo if you run heavy into havoc

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but like, its very fun otherwise

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especially if you just like dakka

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im curious to try nuncio aquilla combo'd with coward culling

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for maximum suppression

marsh gyro
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Bonus points for braced auto with the powder burn

spiral badger
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anyway the ogryn rework really made them like, functional at high havoc

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particularly the dodge and taunt changes

opaque crown
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they also just in general feel smooth as butter

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the dodge knockdown is so good

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for qol

shrewd kite
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shame though, veteran is probably my favourite class and i'm primarily drawn towards the stealth/exec playstyle more than the shouter

drowsy tusk
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More bombs comes out of bomb box good

marsh gyro
shrewd kite
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oh yeah the game actually runs pretty decently for me now, i haven't dipped below like 95 with FSR3

marsh gyro
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You can jazz up a recon lasgun to one tap shooters per one ammo spent and that's just clean fun

spiral badger
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veteran needs another skill tree rework and like, something to rebalance their actives

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zealot needs a skill tree rework not because of power level but just because the "ideal" zealot build is very samey

shrewd kite
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wouldn't this be the.....fourth? vet rework

spiral badger
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there's not a lot of node variety

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they're like half tax nodes

shrewd kite
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yeah arbiter seems very pro-cross-treeing

opaque crown
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the main thing is that vet's identity is being a shooter, but a lot of the desire to rework them is to push them into being a melee specialist

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but yeah some node reworking on vet would be good

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to let you be a bit more freeform

shrewd kite
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and there's no reason not to be! the taxes don't accomplish anything

spiral badger
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basically for zealot the top part of the tree the good stuff is on the right side, then the left side in the middle, then at the bottom you have some variety but like, by that point you've only got points left to pick one of 3

drowsy tusk
spiral badger
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(for havoc the effect is even more pronounced but even below that)

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for havoc it's like, you need duelist and holy revenant and the nodes on the right side above knives

drowsy tusk
drowsy vine
heavy geyser
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I have a suspicion that a lot of the Mortis trials are playtest data for Zealot tree new passive nodes.

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The fire effects around charge, the gaining toughness while standing in your own fire, all the fire stuff lately feels like part of a Zealot rework will include talents that build off of setting things on fire

shrewd kite
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sorry, what does 'counting as' dodging mean here? surely it doesn't give you the invuln to ranged fire

heavy geyser
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Chorus healing purple bar beyond wounds?

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That one is specifically the "run perpendicular to bullets to dodge them" mechanic

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the effect is you can do it while you're out of stamina

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so it's basically nothing, while also having the same effect as a 5% movespeed node.

shrewd kite
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i guess it also counts for the 'dodging attacks does x' nodes?

heavy geyser
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one would imagine! however,

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The whole thing is moot because you dashslide to dodge bullets anyways

fierce marten
fierce marten
opaque crown
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Should give vet a unique gun with unlimited ammo based on steady regen

fierce marten
marsh gyro
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Taking all the speed nodes on Arbites gets you schmooving at a pretty good gait turns out

fierce marten
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Theres several good Attack speed on arbites and if you grab them all you swing a crusher as fast as as a base combat axe

marsh gyro
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Turns out doing the 16 mission campaign is good enough to get a fresh character to 26 and get to level 20 mastery on one pair of weapons and level 15 on another so that was pretty chill

frank igloo
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They should bundle holy revenant into the base zealot kit tbh

fierce marten
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I dont know about base kit, but holy revenant should be a very accessible node if zealot tree is reworked

heavy geyser
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It should be free because everyone's gonna want it

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And no matter where you put it on the tree, that direction is the magnet.

fierce marten
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Arbite's has like central nodes it's very easy to grab strong options and even at one point it bottlenecks into 1 talent you have to take iirc

marsh gyro
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It bottlenecks twice and both bottlenecks are +25 toughness, which makes me laugh

fierce marten
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Level 30 arbites basically has 50 extra toughness then lol

regal pendant
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Wish arbites got more toughness DR

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Only 10% feels

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Bad

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Even with all the means of toughness regen they get

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That's the least out of ANY class

mortal crystal
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they have a lot of other sources of dr tho? Conditional yes, but if you're in their happy place (knee deep in lex breakers) they are tanky

regal pendant
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True, but I'd rather have something slightly more consistent

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The one capstone that grants DR stacks is nice, does help with the lack of toughness DR, and it's ridiculously easy to build up

mortal crystal
fierce marten
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They have quite a few I believe

mortal crystal
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This is also very accessible

fierce marten
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Do you count as an ally

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Cause if so

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I think arbites might have more sources of TDR than zealot and DR than ogyrn

white portal
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you just need to be smacking people the entire time

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Which means they're kinda vulnerable to being gunned down

fierce marten
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And dont forget the one that limits max damage to 50 HP

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fierce marten
drowsy vine
fierce marten
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Keystones also have some but i havent looked yet

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Arbites having good potential of high DR and TDR is wild tankiness

cloud hazel
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has anyone built bolt pistol on vet or is it more of a zelly tool as a "kill this heavy/shooter NOW" button

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the bullet hose experience on recon las is fun but I wanna mix things up so I don't get bogged down

split mantleBOT
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IMO, bolt pistol is a great generalist weapon for Vet.

cloud hazel
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I am also thinking about the fact that like

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every party I'm in has 3 arbites lol

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someone really does need to be killing those ranged guys for the sake of un-pinning the team

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I assume once the hype normalises we'll see some more balanced range bands

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team comp-wise

fierce marten
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Bolt pistol builds fine for weapon specialist builds

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You kind of take most wep spec builds but use bolt pistol

regal pendant
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Oh that's a neat look

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Adds to the inhumanity factor of the Arbites

fierce marten
regal pendant
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Lmao

marsh gyro
tough compass
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Oh, I just realized you can change the difficulty of the campaign missions. whoops lol

opaque crown
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Anyone run shredder on the arbites yet?

cloud hazel
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the. the autopistol???

shrewd kite
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Yeah bolt pistol with run and gun is one of my favourite general use weapons

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Just the snappiest draw to kill time of any weapon I've ever used

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It's like the agri revolver on easy mode since the hip fire is kinda more accurate than the targeted fire up to mid range

sonic elbow
mortal crystal
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I have been

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it works really well with the keystone on the right

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stacks it quick and lets you proc the stagger blessing on it real quick

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And while it has issues with carapace I found with the maul and shield you could just bully crusher packs

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you are tanky once you are swinging in melee

cloud hazel
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i have found that the more similar something is to vet shout the gooderer it is

sonic elbow
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arbites boosts and benefits from suppression, stagger and cleave

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these are all things the shredder does and it doesn't do much else

regal pendant
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What's the two-handed maul's special activation useful for?

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Not sure it's actually doing any more damage than a regular charged heavy overhead

sonic elbow
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and I think it has a potential to be extremely funny to just let out a short spray and everyone in that post code is Highly Inconvenienced

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and arbites talents pop and you turn to an elite and actually sandblast their face off

cloud hazel
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there's no way you're talking about the autopistol here right

fierce marten
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The arbites maul alt melee you can activate mid swing combo and i believe it resets the chain

sonic elbow
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autopistol indeed

cloud hazel
mortal crystal
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nah, the autopistol really is that good unless there is carapace on the field

cloud hazel
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I have legitimately not once ever seen that weapon be above "you're basically running pure melee" on any other class

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so I am baffled but intrigued as to how you might make it good on arby's

sonic elbow
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it's definitely one of the weakest guns in the game

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but has a few builds where it works

mortal crystal
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It's best blessing trigger on suppression and stagger

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arby's best abilities trigger on stagger (and they have a solid suppression one as well)

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Build I was running tonight

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Ran it in an auric chasm logistratum with the new mod

cloud hazel
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i don't like that this makes sense

mortal crystal
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For context Crumb was a shield Ogryn

cloud hazel
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not top enemies staggered though bhink

sonic elbow
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yeah that is almost exactly the same build as what I had theorycrafted

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big brains think alike

mortal crystal
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they were playing smite psyker but good

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but yeah

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this build lets me regularly split from the group and solo a horde plus elites

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you're just a huge fucking brick

cloud hazel
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too close to home

fierce marten
cloud hazel
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can't even escape being called that in my own damn server

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😩

mortal crystal
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I got cleave from here

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And I've found that it's enough

cloud hazel
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I just kind of imagine that people fall over enough that you don't need plasma gun levels of cleave

mortal crystal
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Target the Weak acts as a party buff because I can't really do boss damage with this lol

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autopistol is not a bolt gun

fierce marten
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I guess you probably wouldn't use autopistol in havoc so that much cleave isnt needed

mortal crystal
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never actually done havoc

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just never bothered to get a group together

cloud hazel
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havoc is basically an entirely different game

fierce marten
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I just use the in game one

sonic elbow
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as soon as I saw the arbites tree I was like "I'm gonna autopistol this" so I'm relieved to hear I'm not alone or mad

fierce marten
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I was looking at bolter and castigator stance

mortal crystal
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tbf that's also really strong

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the class has some solid boss busting if you build it right

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ain't zealot with thammer, but solid

fierce marten
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The one I want to do for fun is a giga high cleave one with double barrel and just fire that 3 round double barrel like a dozen times in a row

opaque crown
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Havoc kinda being it's own thing is kind of why I often don't like the good vs suck scale of weapons being defined by them lol

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Or for classes for that matter

cloud hazel
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hold on this is kind of goated

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shrewd kite
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what's the use case for thunderstrike on the crusher? impact seems useless if you're hitting people who are already staggered, doesn't it?

fierce marten
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If you reach a high enough impact value it upgrades the stagger from light/medium/heavy

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Heavy being thrown on its back, thunderstrike isnt taken often at all

mortal crystal
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Yeah, a lot of blessing are filler that don't really see play

cloud hazel
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does anyone have a perk setup on the bolt pistol

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I've tried lethal prox / puncture and it is fairly stinky

marsh gyro
marsh gyro
drowsy vine
cloud hazel
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I think I just wasn't used to having to aim for head more on the bolt revolver than the revolver revolver

drowsy vine
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I mean, you don't really have to, depending on the target and your blessings - Dreg Gunners die in two hits no matter the location, afaik

spring lynx
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I'm currently rocking the bolter with the random tagging ability. Incredibly useful for managing specialists etc.

Not tried it with Castigator stance though.

cloud hazel
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for me the ideal would be reliably one-tapping shooters because I end up having to be cleanup duty on a team full of double barrelled shotties

marsh gyro
sonic elbow
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puncture is a weird one

drowsy vine
sonic elbow
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it doesn't add that much damage, but the pistol has a tendency to miss breakpoints by a sliver

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so puncture deals with that without spending another bullet

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and that is, somehow, pretty valuable

cloud hazel
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holy smokes we got another shredder pistol user in this havoc

marsh gyro
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No ammo pickup is safe from the brrrt

white portal
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I occasionally use shredder pistol but it's mostly because I am not smart

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getting back in after a long time of not playing

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setting up my Arby's order

marsh gyro
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Now that I have the doggy class up to 30 I now have the decision paralysis of a full tree available to me instead of beelining down the middle, does anyone have good castigate or kruber charge setups?

spiral badger
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i've been having fun Castigating with this

marsh gyro
spiral badger
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executioner 8 shotgun + whatever melee makes you feel happiest

drowsy vine
marsh gyro
marsh gyro
drowsy vine
marsh gyro
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No Respite is a super good blessing for sure

drowsy vine
marsh gyro
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Oh shoot I got that backwards, yeah Execution makes a lotta sense

sonic elbow
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ah yes, the
exaction exterminator with execution

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if you can't say it three times quickly yer a traitor

fierce marten
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Do you guys have tricks for killing crushers as arbites besides perma stun it? So far its the exterminator that has brittle bullets

marsh gyro
drowsy vine
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the shield does a great job

marsh gyro
drowsy vine
fierce marten
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Might as well always take opportunist if you take the melee weakspot hits always count as staggered talent

drowsy vine
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The relevant talents are Concussive (you basically should always take this), Strike Down, Weight of the Lex, and Emperor's Fist

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Concussive is basically your global damage enabler vs big targets

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It's a must have

fierce marten
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Ill make a note of that, im still learning the names of talents. Is there a reason shield is specifically good for crushers?

drowsy vine
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the speical can stun them even out of their attacks, makes for a great opening

soft summit
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Fucking love the Executioner Shotgun

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Its so fun

fierce marten
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Ah I see, I wonder if crusher the weapon can stun crushers

drowsy vine
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it can yes

drowsy tusk
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The final evolution of the baseball bat

fierce marten
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I was going to try it since it seems very safe and has a super wide swing

marsh gyro
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Hammerblow helps a lot

fierce marten
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And I assume the heavy would deal the most out of the mauls

drowsy vine
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crusher also 4 shots, and this is without opportunist

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i imagine with the right setup it can 3 tap a crusher on demand but you sacrifice Slaughterer

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and that sucks

marsh gyro
drowsy vine
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huh wow it does

fierce marten
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I remember that weird quirk that made it real strong with zealot

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Duelist made it wild

fierce marten
drowsy vine
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blessing

fierce marten
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Yea that was what I remembered, goes wild on scab ragers packs and one shotting without needing to use the alt melee charge up

drowsy vine
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overall my thoughts on arbites rn are
a) very well designed
b) amazing for adhd players
c) feels really good to play but has a much more even field of power vs the other classes; i dont think there's a build that's blatantly better than any other and its definitely not better than ogryn, or zealot at full tilt

fierce marten
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Agreed, its probably cause its the only class designed from the ground up with 2 years of player feedback and experience fully in mind

drowsy vine
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yeah i def agree

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it's had extensive playtesting from folks in the community as well

fierce marten
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It's sort of the same "problem" vermintide 2 had, the vision of the game at launch was different from like years later and what players wanted. Base classes were made for the old vision and DLC classes were always seen as better with the current game in mind and they never had time to fully rework old ones, just adjust numbers so they can keep up

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New Ogyrn though gives me hope vet and zealot will get their trees redone, espcially zealot

marsh gyro
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My kingdom for a Loner Aura replacement

fierce marten
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If only

opaque crown
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a bit behind on this, but i actually had one of my more incautious buddies use the crusher on zealot and max out impact as much as possible, they were MUCH more able to survive thanks to it, and even then it could stumble just about anything. Arby can get more impact and stagger, so it can absolutely stumble effectively all comers short of a boss

marsh gyro
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Yeah the magic Impact number for staggering a crusher a bit is 95 (halved to 47.5 if you bonk 'em in the face) and a heavy Crusher hit can do that with +125% or so impact (Hammerblow gets the job done)

opaque crown
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effectively, if you max out impact and just light spam, you can bowl over just about any threat

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making it kind of ideal for a player who is not really able to protect themselves

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and also likes to just left click

marsh gyro
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Yeah hammerblow on the lights gets to 49.5 stagger which is real neat for bonking

grave talon
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I really need to come up with a doggoxshotgun build on the arbitor

fierce marten
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What kind of build

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Arbite's basically defaults to doggo and shotgun

grave talon
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i guess it would be shotgun aas main weapon and doggo for elite

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don't have the keystone yet

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castigator stance of course

fierce marten
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I dont have a 30 arbites yet, but until my castigator build is online im doing the charge one and the spammability of it is wild

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Its like 11 seconds CD with ability curio perks

mortal crystal
opaque crown
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how do other shotguns stack up against the executioner post buff?

marsh gyro
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They're still precision headshot machines, they just have about half the cleave so Man Stopper blessing matters more

tough compass
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Did they change (newly acquired) items at some point so it's always one stat at 60, the rest at 80?

mortal crystal
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nope because I have received multiple that aren't like that

marsh gyro
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I got a bunch while leveling that were the mythical 76/76/76/76/76

tough compass
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Ah. Ok, just a coincidence then lol

fierce marten
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Not recently since ive played Unlocked and Unloaded it tends to spike like that

regal pendant
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God the force stave primary fires need some love

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Near useless at the present

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Slow projectile with no pierce and low damage

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I guess the stagger isn't AWFUL but it's barely worth using for that

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...speaking of force staves and stagger why the fuck does the first staff melee have so much stagger, holy shit

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Send maulers onto their ass in a single tap

opaque crown
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The basic force bolt has a lot of forgiven sins on account of having unlimited ammo and being attached to the much more powerful and also unlimited ammo secondary

regal pendant
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Mmm, true

opaque crown
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If the psyker wants good guns that don't also spew fire or lightning or explosions, they can bring them. Those have ammo

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I do think there should be more variance though, tie the force bolt type and stats to the type of staff it is, kind of like in vermintide

distant surge
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are the servers laggy for everyone?

drowsy tusk
frigid saffron
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learned something:

the cylinder head mastiff has "M-0LL-Y" stamped on it- the name of the mocap dog they had for the mastiff was named Molly

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a fun little tribute

frigid saffron
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scryer staff

grave talon
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personaly i scryer with bolt pistol. Cause every one gansta 'till the psyker get a bolt pistol

grave talon
frigid saffron
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I like it because it fits with me using my dog as a walking hand grenade (dw she likes it- it's enrichment)

marsh gyro
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An electric personality

frigid saffron
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man what the fuck. there's no maelstrom in the rotation- the new board fucking sucks

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fierce marten
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Did you skip the campaign with this character?

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Or are you saying there isn't any at the moment, cause yea I find that weird there's only sometimes maelstroms

marsh gyro
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It's a reported bug on the Fatshark Forums that the maelstroms sometimes don't show up so might get hotfixed

quiet escarp
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Yeah the update broke a couple things, unfortunately

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At least they patched the Ogryn crash relatively quickly

marsh gyro
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Trip report: Castigation stance with a aimed Revolver and the ammo refund is super cool

fierce marten
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Good to see they fixed Ogyrn issue quickly since well it disabled a class for people who dont mod, such a weird reason for a crash, game devs really are tech priests

fierce marten
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So like ive never really looked into how to use crusher well before, so id like advice if im missingg anything about it.
What perks/blessings paid well on it for arbites? So far im doing slaughterer/opportunist since I have concussive force. Not sure on perks at all.
I know the horde clear combo is L, H, L, H
Push attack is the weakspot crusher killer

regal pendant
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The one that inflicts Brittleness is nice, and Slaughterer is just a given

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Helps mow down the larger fellas more effectively

cloud hazel
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relic blade... ogh

fierce marten
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Good ogh or bad ogh

cloud hazel
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it's... it's perfect

fierce marten
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Ok agreed

shrewd kite
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i've rediscovered the heavy attack focused one and yeah it kinda is

fierce marten
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Do you know the MK 2 trick?

cloud hazel
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they made the power sword actually interesting

fierce marten
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The attack chain always gives you access to light or heavy

shrewd kite
fierce marten
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Also yes

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Actually no its a wide swing

shrewd kite
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oh yeah i prefer the other one in my experience

fierce marten
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2 requires more awareness of attack chain buy very flexible and you can consistent just wide swing forever or stabdown forever and swap between those on the fly

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Its satisfying once you learn it, highly recommend trying it a bit you get used to mk 10

distant surge
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Does the arbites like any of the rejects?

heavy geyser
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mk. II relic blade my beloved

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It feels like it has one of the higher skill ceilings for a melee weapon in the whole game.

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There's so much more cool stuff to make it do.

fierce marten
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Its one of the ones with higher skill floor and good benefits from reaching the skill ceilings. I can think of some that are needlessly complex and hardly gives much benefit

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If you dont learn the combo its like not good compared to other mark

white portal
distant surge
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vicksyNoted i see

frank igloo
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eviscerator fucks now

frigid saffron
fierce marten
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The one place they fumbled for arbites update, the mission board

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I know of a bug where you might never see maelstrom and the fix is to go to barber and forget campaign to skip it.

shrewd kite
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i'm redoing my ogryn trees rn -- am i correct in thinking that the rending node on Point Blank Barrage is better than the burning one for using a twin stubber?

drowsy vine
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nah the burning one goes crazy

drowsy tusk
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Burn is best on the higher fire rate it stacks up big

drowsy vine
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i really like the shield/shotpistol in theory but the exaction shotguns. ough.

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they just Hit Right

distant surge
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im feeling like i wanna finish the campaing with a weapon i already have levels on rather than leveling up weaker ones as i get to lvl 30 vicksyHmm what do yall think?

marsh gyro
drowsy tusk
fierce marten
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Nope just the power of the sacrificed weapon

marsh gyro
hexed rampart
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I got an extra money relic on my arbites and that's a fun time. I do wonder about the weapon combos for that class

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I see the bolt gun but I'm pretty happy with the developed bolt pistol I'm rocking

marsh gyro
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I've been having a really good time with brutal momentum combat axes with a bottom right forceful build

hexed rampart
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I went left tho

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I might try john wicking tho

fierce marten
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Hmm bolter has puncture and strong suppression/stagger by itself. I could get bloody dognade and im sure bolter could have some neat synergy with castigator and arbites

finite nymph
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I'm trying to justify other ranged options than Bolt Pistol but it's just such a damn multitool

drowsy vine
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Counterpoint

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The shotguns feel hella good

opaque crown
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im enjoying the shotpistol

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as a great answer to the 'holy shit look at all these shooters' problem

marsh gyro
marsh gyro
finite nymph
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Just started recently and it's quite good but also somehow feels.. cheesy? Feels like I'm playing Boltgun again and that's fun but idek

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I don't like having one answer to all things I like folks having weaknesses to cover with teamwork and whatnot

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I guess it's not a horde weapon

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Unless they're in a hallway

finite nymph
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Also got spoiled by the Ogryn offerings

drowsy vine
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whuh

finite nymph
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The Ogryn Shotguns feel so ridiculous that it made the others feel less impactful

drowsy vine
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Fair enough

finite nymph
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Haven't played with the Arbites offerings though still being pouty about 12$

hexed rampart
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Does the shock maul sheild flash count as staggering enemies?

fierce marten
#

Yup

hexed rampart
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Oh I have a build idea then

quiet escarp
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Once I get up to 30 I think I'll make a dog build with shotgun and a dogless build with the bolter to achieve the game feel of playing a space marine

marsh gyro
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I get trapper netted from behind about 4000% more without the pupper so beware the cackles

quiet escarp
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I'm on such a trapper/dog audio-que swivel that it can lead me to get smacked by guys in front of me while I whip around looking for them, so it's a fair point. I do feel like the dog could become such an ease of use QoL thing that it becomes hard to be separated from it

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Especially for those couple thousand people who apparently are starting to play DT with this recent update

marsh gyro
#

Rechargable stun mines are pretty wild though

quiet escarp
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Yeah, I'm really torn already been dogbomb and the stun mines

marsh gyro
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Dog zippy zap will stagger monstrosities and the mine won't so the plan to go bolter goes good with burning down a wiggly spinny chaos spawn

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Zarona shotgun with scattershot/flechette is kinda powerful too though I run that with bleed/brittleness pupper

fierce marten
#

Stun mines have benefit of letting you solo revive/puzzle

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Drop a mine right before and you're usually fine enough

regal pendant
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Stun mines are good but I always fall into the trap of never using them because what if I run into a pack of crushers or ragers

marsh gyro
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But that's who the mines are for?
edit: oh wait I get it now, it's item conservation thing

fierce marten
#

If you have lone wolf just yeet them everywhere

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On Aurics you could throw them at every rager pack and still have one for bulwarks/crushers

distant surge
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I like the arbites shotgun wixelsSit

regal pendant
white portal
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I feel like I should have two lone wolf builds, one with regular grenades and one with the mines

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Both are just pretty damn useful

regal pendant
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...god I wish dropping into a mission didn't mean inheriting the wound loss of someone else

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Tired of paying for someone else's incompetence

opaque crown
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I kinda use grenades on a "smoke em if you got em" mentality and just figure it out when I don't

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But also, break the line forgives many sins

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And enemies knocked to the ground can't hurt you

sonic elbow
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I have no nades, my gun is dry, I am on death's door

regal pendant
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Don't mind that as much with my psyker since I run Voidblast

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Point at the floor and KABOOM, problem solved

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...god I love Voidblast, severely underrated stave

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Staggers the shit out of anything short of a boss

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Pack of crushers? TELL ME HOW THE GROUND TASTES, FUCKHEADS

finite nymph
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The game has enough long hallways that I can't not go Voidstrike Bowling

heavy geyser
neon nymph
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Lore-accurate rejects

marsh gyro
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I'm thinking a melee centric no puppy kind of build really wants one of the shield weapons (either one) because there's nothing more 40k than charging a line of gunners and knocking down the front ones and then getting blasterized by the back ones who were just out of range

fierce marten
sonic elbow
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I don't rember, are dodges in any way affected by movement speed?

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...hey actually

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can arbites enter slide from walking with all the movespeed effects going on at once

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since its activation is tied to speed rather than sprint state

heavy geyser
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you have to dodgeslide out of castigator

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since you can't run

sonic elbow
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there are like 5 movespeed talents in the tree so if anyone's ever going to break the slide barrier it'll be arbites

fierce marten
#

Arbite's has a lot of move speed talents for some reason

marsh gyro
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That reason is it rules to move at Quake strafe speeds while ADS

quiet escarp
#

I kind of love the Arbites speedwalking strat

mortal crystal
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Everything short of a boss that build can bully tbh

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just light spam it out

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horde? light spam
ragers? light spam
crusher pack? believe or not light spam

marsh gyro
#

It turns out having a billion stagger per light owns really hard

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No shield old shock maul also speed runs forceful stacks because every disco twitch from the electrocute special adds a stack

mortal crystal
#

oh yeah, I've heal tanked a gunner with a shock mine

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just picked up my ally while a gunner was laying into me because I shock mined like 3 dudes lol

opaque crown
#

arbites shock maul is, pun intended, shockingly good at crowd control

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slapping everything around you with impact and electrocuted

quiet escarp
#

What're folks blessing choices for the arbites weapons?

marsh gyro
heavy geyser
fierce marten
# quiet escarp I kind of love the Arbites speedwalking strat

Taking castigator with move speed talents you basically move at sprint speed of an Ogyrn but without the stamina cost which is really nice when it's over you got a full stamina bar to work with until the next castigator, which with the CDR one it's pretty short

fierce marten
drowsy tusk
fierce marten
mortal crystal
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Crusher also lets you setup some really nasty boss damage combos

fierce marten
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The reach on it and wide and by the time most melee enemies get up it's time for another stagger.

mortal crystal
fierce marten
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The push attack has real good weak spot damage for some reason

mortal crystal
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This plus the counts as staggered on weakspot talent means you can apply 40% increase damage taken to bosses

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and as far as I can tell it's the only arbites weapon that can apply skullcrusher

sonic elbow
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I was always a crusher, tac axe and combat shotty loyalist so the recent patches feel like personal pandering

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I'm a happy bean

heavy geyser
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tac axe is feasting

fierce marten
#

Tac axe I was surprised at, I thought it was nice before

sonic elbow
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it was considered one of the worst for a while

fierce marten
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Combat shotgun I'm going to try out once I master arbites guns

mortal crystal
#

tbf I doubt combat shotgun will be particularly inpsiring on Arbites

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just because they have access to the Exterminator which is just obscene

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but on the other humans I expect they're significantly improved

sonic elbow
mortal crystal
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(double barrel, on the other hand, breaks on arbites because they have the one thing that always breaks double barrels: the ability to increase the clip size)

fierce marten
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Oh wait it was shock maul not crusher that got buffed, crusher was just slept on

sonic elbow
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okay maybe not in place of primary fire because it had some really horrid breakpoint misses

fierce marten
#

The 3 round double barrel

sonic elbow
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but no one but me has cared about shotguns that aren't dragon's breath in millenia

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my birdshot build is a sole survivor of the species

fierce marten
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If you slap manstopper on it and fire a double barrel in the vague direction of a horde you often kill some elite or specialist and I find that funny

mortal crystal
fierce marten
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I don't know what I'm going to kill but it's going to be something

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Castigator if you wait 1.5s between shots you could probably get 8 shots out a double barrel

marsh gyro
#

Crucian Roulette revolver keeps winning

fierce marten
#

You can make the hammer mark of revolver have 6 rounds

tough compass
#

It's probably justified by the smoke, but it is funny to me how terrible visibility is in the "on fire" levels. It is neat that a bunch of flamethrower people are going around lighting stuff on fire though

finite nymph
#

the way the fires just don't light up anything around them, this is Grimdark fire

opaque crown
#

so my shooter arbites build will be my lone wolf build too i think

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mostly for shock mine spamming

fierce marten
rocky dagger
#

<@&1042950387478560878> darkining?

soft summit
#

It's always darkest before the tide

crystal sluice
#

how're y'all building your arbites

regal pendant
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CC mostly

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Two-handed maul and a shotgun with some basic grenades and an Aquila

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Not the greatest against bosses but it pulls enough weight

cloud hazel
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i've seen the reginald build that uses the riot shield/shotpistol to kill bosses but just stun-sticking every single enemy seems good also

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the zappy zap thing seems really, really good, like a sustained zealot popcorn grenade

marsh gyro
cloud hazel
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as does the aquila

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doesn't have quite the same level of utility compared to psyker bubble in havocs just because shooters are actually satan in that gamemode

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but the magic circle of safety is still p gud

heavy geyser
#

I tried Terminus Warrant tonight and I rather like it.

marsh gyro
cloud hazel
#

killer for getting any hack-related objective done if you're pugging

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if you're not reliably able to have a buddy stand behind you and whack ragers with a big stick it's night and day

marsh gyro
fierce marten
heavy geyser
marsh gyro
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I'm doing old shock maul with bolter and it's decently ammo efficient

heavy geyser
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Once I understood how it worked it feels pretty good to control.

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It's different from weapon spec in a way that's kinda nice.

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I'd been running copvision for a bit but I swapped my talents around when I realized what I wanted is in the middle branch at the bottom

marsh gyro
#

Not losing the stacks when you switch is pretty nice if you accidentally switch at like 29 and not 30 since you can reswitch

heavy geyser
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Yeah it's sort of a balancing act where doing one thing makes the other one stronger and spends the stacks you built to give a consistent bonus for the amount of hits you built the stacks for

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so you can go all into one having all 30 tokens or juggling them around 15 each

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if you lean hard on youur gun for e.g. castigator and burn all your gun stacks then your melee comes out strong to protect you

marsh gyro
#

Arbites having turbo cleave on a ton of stuff also helps

heavy geyser
#

My build idea was wild west sheriff

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so a wheelgun and probably one of the axes

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but I think the hammer fan revolver mark is just not up to snuff without a revision

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Or, a very specific number tuned

crystal sluice
#

terminus warrant looks cool and i'd get to pretend to be bounty hunter salt again but i crave the ult cooldown from copvision keystone

marsh gyro
#

Most of what I use braced revolver for these days is run n gun + sustained fire to gap close for melee which is distinctly not gonna castigate

heavy geyser
#

anything it does you can put a bolt pistol in its place and it does a better job. The problem I'm having is that its not precise enough without run & gun, and if I put run & gun on I gotta give up either the armor rending or the crucian roulette, and I need the other two to make it kill things.

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walking with your heel on the hammer blooms the spread too much, missing one bullet in six because it spread away from the guy's head at midrange is a lot of lost damage

#

run & gun tightens it up but then it loses its punch

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you gotta like, stop and crouch to get a tight crosshair with it, but it should be the mobile variant

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the bolt pistol doesn't have the loosey goosey precision problem while you're moving

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I'm trying to walk and fan but it really wants you to stop and fan and if I'm stopping to aim I can run the ADS one

marsh gyro
#

Yeah bolt pistol being a laser on the move is kind of wild

heavy geyser
#

it needs three blessings to really do what I need it to

cloud hazel
#

I like the concept of a guile gun but unfortunately you give up either damage or accuracy required to reliably high noon

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somewhere in damnation/auric your breakpoints just evaporate

marsh gyro
#

Auric's not so bad to hit one shot thresholds, Havoc just gloms another 25-50% HP on top which is why I wish Psykhanium let you test it

heavy geyser
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I'm a long-time run & gun bolt pistolero and I can shoot while running, slide and pop guys around corners or next to me while I am sliding by, its real desperado stuff, but the actual cowboy gun wants you to stop and crouch to get tight shot spread

cloud hazel
#

this may also just be a symptom of how good revolver og flavor is

marsh gyro
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I think if they baked in run n gun to braced revolver like they did auto pistol that'd be a similar game changer

cloud hazel
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I have recently found great joy in heavy laspistol Ghost IV though

marsh gyro
cloud hazel
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I fucking adore the relic blade but having it out feels like walking in crocs made of jelly

#

with the laspistol out on zelly you're flying though

heavy geyser
#

the ammo econ on the og revolver is extremely tight, its a good balance for how strong it can kill crushers

cloud hazel
#

the pen is also nuts

heavy geyser
#

that's the other thing about the braced! Its got no accuracy but it has no pen either

cloud hazel
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if you want to hold down the trigger, yank down the mouse and mulch everything a corridor, you're probably better-off with the arbites bottomless brunch bolter build

marsh gyro
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Yeah they buffed braced revolver cleave from 2 to 3 so the 25% cleave node gets it to 3 pox walkers per shot but base revolver has 6.5 and so that's 5 pox walkers off the bat and with 50% cleave bonus you can hit 3 gunners or 2 maulers

heavy geyser
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I have a feeling they're cagey about letting something with the damage numbers that the revolver has go too fast

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they have a version of the bolt pistol that shoots very fast but its limited by its draw and reload times

cloud hazel
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I wonder if they're worried about it overtaking the bolter as 'low uptime, massive damage' without any of the handling penalties associated with

heavy geyser
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I think it's one of those things that are tuned to an extinct vision of the game

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there's a few of those

cloud hazel
#

infantry lasgun 💔

marsh gyro
#

When braced revolver dropped it was deleting monstrosities in one fan of the hammer so they dropped it a bit along with hand cannon blessing and it never quite was the same

heavy geyser
#

but I really want it to work in a fun stylish way

cloud hazel
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not that I necessarily miss the kantrael xii monoculture meta

heavy geyser
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my biggest problem on my favorite build is the ideal weapon I want already exists and I already have it

cloud hazel
#

but I do miss having, uh, usable sights without mods

heavy geyser
#

so I'm like, trying to force a second-best option into shape and it won't fit, there's always one corner sticking out

cloud hazel
#

the call of the jank...

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sidebar

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I don't think there is a single funnier class to bring into mortis than ogryn

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the 50% chance to get an extra grenade boom with the ogryn bfg is, uh, slightly good

heavy geyser
#

that indulgence with healing grenades is really funny

#

big pal throws a box of life

cloud hazel
#

accidentally threw a medcrate down instead but nobody minds

crystal sluice
#

i was in a group with an ogry the other day that got so many booms off my game started to chug on its frame rate 😭

cloud hazel
#

being halfway across the arena and watching the killfeed light up once, twice, thrice,

marsh gyro
# heavy geyser but I really want it to work in a fun stylish way

I've been doing some testing and I think the secret sauce is Crucian Roulette and Trickshooter on the braced, you can one shot Reapers on crit with 4k damage and do 2500 damage on weak spot not crit, so you just outsource all your carapace damage to your melee weapon; as long as the last shot was a weak point you keep the trickshooter stacks through reload

distant surge
#

<@&1042950387478560878> could someone help me with the karnack twins mission? wixelsSad i cant find a lobby for it and have to always go in solo...even in the easiest difficulty i couldnt make it

drowsy vine
#

<@&1042950387478560878> looking for 2 for video dark tide game

marsh gyro
#

If y'all are around still in 30 minutes I can be there - coffee's taking a minute

drowsy vine
#

uhhh i think so

crystal sluice
#

yippeee

marsh gyro
#

Looks like y'all assembled a proper crew - y'all have fun!

distant surge
#

whenever i see an enemy that still has their nose i think "fake nurgle folllower"

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anyways i got the help i needed

marsh gyro
#

Show those twins who's boss

marsh gyro
#

Trip report: Trickshooter blessing is a lie, ain't no way besides a beastie of nurgle I'm lining up 5 weak spot hits a row in a mission, blessing has been swapped with speedloader

dawn totem
#

I'm reworking a few of my older builds to not be so beholden to Keystones or just one side of the talent tree. So far so good I think .

marsh gyro
#

You building for melee or ranged more?

crystal sluice
#

trying to use weapons other than beloved shock maul and shield and then staring at a framed picture of my shock maul and shield with pain in my heart

dawn totem
#

A lot of my builds are more rounded out. Like at least one way to deal with mobs, armored, monstrosities, etc. And with some sort of priority of defense

tough compass
#

I was sad the Arbite talent that gives damage on reload does not trigger on the free reload from Castigator. Even if it is reasonable lol

marsh gyro
opaque crown
#

anyone hve a sense for how good shotguns are for suppression play?

marsh gyro
#

They go great with terrifying barrage blessing

opaque crown
#

hmm ok, my lone wolf is built to suppress but ive been running the braced auto

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and ive been... only partially satisfied by the performance

marsh gyro
#

You running Powderburn + Terrifying barrage?

opaque crown
#

brace auto doesnt have powderburn does it?

marsh gyro
#

Good question!

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I meant ceaseless barrage turns out

opaque crown
#

yes! was running ceaseless and terrifying

marsh gyro
#

Could try ceaseless + Speedload, that tends to be enough and that keeps you topped off good

frank igloo
opaque crown
#

dont have my auto pistol maxed out, looks like im gonna want to

marsh gyro
#

Autopistol running while blasting at a mutant in a game of chicken always owns

opaque crown
#

what else is good for arby suppressionmaxxing

marsh gyro
#

Bolter explosions count

lost cave
#

Can I just say, in the chaos of combat it's very easy to at a glance mistake the Arbites players, clad in their black carapace armor, for scabs clad in their very dark grey carapace armor.

fierce marten
#

For me it's dogs

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I see a dog in pounce position and I get ready to shove but then it's a player's dog

heavy geyser
marsh gyro
#

That shotgunner got got

heavy geyser
#

I cut two videos that illustrate how big a difference the Run & Gun spread effect has on just strafing and shooting kinda slowly

marsh gyro
#

Yeah the math works out that a 30% spread reduction is literally twice as accurate due to 49% the aim area

heavy geyser
#

It really doesn't like you moving or shooting too quickly, which feels like two things that fanning the hammer should be fore

#

the bloom is, I think, the major dial to turn to get it tuned up

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and just for comedy, I did cut a video of the shotgunner getting got

crystal sluice
#

my keeping protocol buff has stopped showing up in the buff bar entirely even though i certainly have it selected. dunno what's up with that. dunno if it's just a visual bug either

marsh gyro
#

There's a cap on how many buff icons can show up at once and so the buffs are still active but the icons won't show up til the other buffs drop off, this happens on Terminus Warrant where 1 type of ranged/melee won't show while the other will

crystal sluice
#

this is also happening when im on a low number of buffs so i don't think it's that

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it does show up in my list of things when i hold tab tho

marsh gyro
#

Weird, I'll have to test it on mine later

crystal sluice
#

had no mods active when this starte dhappening either

distant surge
#

Ok this interaction is just cute

#

Look at this

drowsy tusk
#

Yippee

soft summit
#

So what's everyones thoughts on the Executioner Shotgun?

#

Personally a big fan

marsh gyro
#

It kind of does a million billion damage

heavy geyser
#

I shot it down a hall of pox hounds and got like 8 kills at once

#

the mark with the choke and the rending special shells is really strong against crushers

marsh gyro
#

Yeah it's like 1500 damage no brittleness 2500 damage brittleness shell on a crusher

soft summit
#

the second Mark also has a surprisingly good range

#

I've killed snipers with it

mortal crystal
#

The single target mark is a fucking AMR not a shotgun lol

fierce marten
#

The new agripinaa slug shotgun

mortal crystal
#

and the first mark is great for mixed hordes

#

struggles more on crushers, but Arbites melee tends to do well into those so not a huge deal imo

fierce marten
#

A use I found that makes castigator stance with CDR talent really good is to just use it the moment you see a burst, has like 0 activation cost and doesn't interrupt animations like shove and if your team explodes it before you shove you hardly take any corruption

#

Also for tanking sniper shots, sometimes you get caught in situations you can hardly move and there's no cover and sniper is in a stupid spot to fire back

worldly talon
#

Because it basically steals their niche and makes it awesome

#

Second mark I use for special deletion on my doggo build

#

first is just like

#

Activating castigator stance and spamming into a horde

soft summit
#

I tend to have Second Mark Executioner and First Mark Mace-And-Board

#

Dunno how optimal this is but its fun

distant surge
#

The whole house has power except for the computer room

#

Which means no darktide wixelsBlank

soft summit
#

Did a circuit break

fierce marten
#

Wow that is a boss killer arbites build

#

What a monster

fierce marten
#

Also I read under input settings you can change dog to single ping?

distant surge
#

i understand Arbites and the guard would have different codes

#

but it bothers me how similar they are wixelsICANNOT

heavy geyser
#

arbites and commissars come from the same school

distant surge
#

Who do you think bullies who

opaque crown
#

The thing about the guard is they are generally not as well trained or equipped as the arbites, and their expected engagements are very different

quiet escarp
# distant surge Who do you think bullies who

The Arbites probably bully the Commissars in hallways and on the fields but the future Commissars get back at them by making them look dumb in the Imperial Faith and Philosophy classes

distant surge
fierce marten
worldly talon
#

Sisters of Battle also come from the same program

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As do Storm Troopers (I refuse to use the dumb copyright name. Fight me.)

fierce marten
#

Pretty much everyone that gets an education of some sort goes to Schola Progenium

worldly talon
#

On that note, you know what armor I would totally eat the stupid 2900 aquila cost for, for Vet?

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The classic 3e style

fierce marten
#

Sisters, inquisitors, arbites, some rogue traders, imperial navy officers, sanctioned psykers all go to the Schola, where they put disobedient children in the walls

worldly talon
#

Sanctioned Psykers go to the Adeptus Astra Telepathica

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Or rather they go there to get sanctioned

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And then they're distributed wherever

#

I don't think they ever touch the Schola Progenium

fierce marten
#

Ah you're right, only psyker's assigned to inquisitors and well the very rare psykers who become inquisitors go there

worldly talon
#

I did like how in DH if you took a few of the Ascension perks, you got assigned to a Progenium class

#

Which meant your character is being taught with, and treated exactly the same as, a bunch of teenagers

spiral badger
#

a large amount end up in the Ministorum as well

fierce marten
#

You're probably safer being on that hive world

spiral badger
#

the majority are just orphans from whatever the latest fuckup is

#

presumably dark heresy ascension folk are assigned to a specific selection class

#

which is generally teenagers

worldly talon
#

So your average everyday orphan doesn't have access

#

If your parents were Guard or Navy officers that died in the line of duty, then you can get sent to a Scholam

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Or if they were high-ranking adepts that died for whatever reason

spiral badger
#

noble children of otherwise annihilated houses

#

that sorta thing

distant surge
#

Do we have tempestus scions clothing for veteran?

opaque crown
#

Yeah but I think you have to do havoc too get it?

distant surge
#

vicksyThink i see

#

Dang, im scared of havoc

split mantleBOT
#

Sadly I have nobody to do Havoc with.

spiral badger
#

I just do pick up groups all the time. Regularly clear havoc 40 with them. Just did today, in fact

signal current
marsh gyro
#

Yeah through the power of pickup squads it's possible to Havoc it up though there's a huge leap from 20 to 21

regal pendant
#

...y'know what I wanna do

tough compass
#

Scier's Gaze + Murderous Tranquility + Horde to kill is pretty fun

regal pendant
#

I wanna make a fashion centered around the tri-lens arbiter cosmetic and name the character "Difficulty_Tweak"

#

Where's his famed one-tap dropkick you ask? He outsourced it to his dog.

mortal crystal
marsh gyro
mortal crystal
#

(there's also an element of having issues with the pubs playing bad, but there is exactly one variable in my Havocs I can control so that's what I'm trying to focus on)

marsh gyro
#

Lights out missions tend to be tough too because can't see daemonhosts/barrels

mortal crystal
#

I find the smoothest are the ones that give out buffs to enemies

#

Hexbound Daemonhosts is just brutal

#

meanwhile the healing dudes are way easier to handle

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pus-hardened skin is also nasty, but Arbites honestly helps a ton there because the worst part of that mod (specialists and elites sitting at long range highly resistant to range weapons) is neatly solved by dog

regal pendant
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Snipers in particular, though if you have True Grit they're 50% less scary

mortal crystal
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bombers as well as gunners on that list

regal pendant
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Love that talent, it's endlessly gratifying to give poxbursters, snipers, and stealth maulers/crushers the middle finger

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"Fuck you, no, you don't get to oneshot me this time you annoying piece of shit"

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...real talk, why the fuck are silent crushers STILL an issue at this point

mortal crystal
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engine limitations I expect

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in a proper brawl you're using so many audio channels things get cut

regal pendant
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The audio channels ought to prioritize certain enemies over others tbh

mortal crystal
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it does

regal pendant
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Hm

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I eat my words

mortal crystal
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it's why silent trappers aren't as common lol

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and why you still always get the backstab woosh

regal pendant
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That aside

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The dog is genuinely insanely good

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And Lone Wolf doesn't offer up nearly enough to compensate for not having it

mortal crystal
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Nah, regening shock mines is nuts imo

regal pendant
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Decent stat boosts and regenerating frags/mines

OR

Lock down anything giving you trouble and gain a shitton of really good perks

regal pendant
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It's maybe not as great at locking down hordes but it certainly pulls weight

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And it regenerates anyway

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...I... think?

mortal crystal
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Oh, the dog bomb is great but's it unreliable as hell

regal pendant
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I swear I remember it regenerating

mortal crystal
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it does

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60 second CD

regal pendant
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Okay good I'm not going crazy

mortal crystal
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3 charges

regal pendant
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Which is hard if it's fucked off to pounce on some random poxwalker but you can always just tag one of the inevitable special/elite spawns mixed into the horde tbf

mortal crystal
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Rn I'm running mines just because on the build I'm running I decided to specialize into Never Dying

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Just a brick of a character that bullies everything smaller than a monstrosity in melee and capable of solo holding chokes against a mixed horde

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(Forceful keystone is nuts yo)

fierce marten
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Dog EMP is one time

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Mines go for 15s

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Dog cant cover you if youre doing a revive/puzzle but mines can

mortal crystal
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And enemies county as being staggered while it's triggered meaning things that key off that (toughness regen talent, Forceful stacks) trigger

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I've out healed a gunner in damnation off a shock mine that grabbed like 4 dudes while picking someone up.

fierce marten
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Yea understandably when it comes to cc, the regenerating dog EMP is much less than grenade pickup/regen needing mines.

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Its more like zealot stun nades but hardly anyone uses those but it's basically like smite except you can do other things while it stuns

heavy geyser
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when they rework the zealot tree you'll see more stuns

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there's a lot of awful talents you have to pick to get there

mortal crystal
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yeah, most Zealots these days run fire or knives

fierce marten
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Zealot desperately needs a tree rework

regal pendant
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Aye

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Psyker could use a small touch-up as well in some areas

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Charged Strike is just

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So abjectly dogshit

mortal crystal
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Vet needs Ex stance, stealth, smoke nades, and the marksman keystone all looked at

fierce marten
mortal crystal
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the actual nodes in the tree are generally fine (if too many), but they have massive dead spaces due to multiple dead abilities

fierce marten
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Its like less than a single bleed stack tick of damage

regal pendant
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Yeah

regal pendant
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They're really fucking good in the right situations but anywhere else they're kinda just

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Useless

mortal crystal
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the really annoying thing is that old Ex stance worked so well because you always took the fucking 75% damage reduction with it

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which was a lot!

regal pendant
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Aye

mortal crystal
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especially with the regen on elite kill

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except

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Arbites

fierce marten
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One change they need for that is like, anyone who kills highlighted enemies gives you benefits

mortal crystal
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has fucking Castigator which has more damage buffs, is universal, and is fucking 80% damage reduction along with the same goddamn toughness regen talent

fierce marten
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The highlighting is counter to the ability cause a teammate kllling them instead of you is detrimental

mortal crystal
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I firmly believe it ex stance got it's 75% dr back it would still be vets second best skill

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only it would be way closer and entirely reasonable to run if you have like a Chant Zealot or something

marsh gyro
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Vet's weird because you can get huge toughness DR with the coherency bonus, the weak spot 3x bonus, the 50% over 75% toughness thing, and a couple nuggets here and there, but it's all fragile because the only huge toughness regen spike they have is either all on kill (not so good vs monstrosity) or 1 use shout/invis

marsh gyro
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I think Terminus Warrant ranged cleave bonus is bugged because it sure isn't boosting ranged cleave with any guns I've been testing (shotguns, braced revolver, infantry/braced autoguns)

distant surge
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this is a funny name

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white portal
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I still love I named my dog Ordained Priest

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So there's always one near

dawn totem
distant surge
soft summit
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the fucks

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focks

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fox

crystal sluice
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did my first maelstrom today chatroom

white portal
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Woooo

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Elite killer arbys really helps

crystal sluice
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it's fun and exciting when there's 20 mutants

lost cave
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You ever accidentally fire a burst into a daemonhost somebody tagged l because you thought they tagged someone to take out?

fierce marten
frank igloo
distant surge
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i once stabbed a daemon host in the face cause i was using the knife charge attack to run around

shrewd kite
marsh gyro
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Wow they must have put the Cadian Veteran on the vox for the day

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crystal sluice
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this is how i talk to the cadian veteran tho (troubles is whining about cadia)

hushed glade
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Arbites is fun

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I named my dog RobarkyGullieman

distant surge
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got the cool dog skin

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distant surge
drifting prism
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The barktider of mine is called 84RK

distant surge
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Also a good name

worldly talon
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I named mine Leman

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If anybody in a position of authority asks, he's named after the tank

soft summit
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My Arbiter's name is Taldoris

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their dog is Taldogis

distant surge
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Also it seems the arbites like the Ogryns and thats cute

marsh gyro
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Yeah they address the Ogryn as "Behemoth" which is pretty metal

fierce marten
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Playing some lone wolf, the grenades are really nice. The knock back radius on them is like a shredder's and it deals real good damage on impact.

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I think I'm leaning towards dougless

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No executioner order stings but forceful isn't that far off, break the line has such low CD I don't need the others. I'll miss the instant insane DR button for bursters

crystal sluice
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what do arbites call vets and zealots? haven't heard any nicknames for them yet

fierce marten
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I think either the update made rejects less chatty cause cops are around or something cause I havent heard many PC to PC interactions besides arbites to arbites

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Also probably cause lobbies are majority arbites

spiral badger
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"Conscript" is conceptually funny to me because arbites are also all conscripts

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Just earlier, and with extra brainwashing

mortal crystal
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Just broke through to Havoc 22 today

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unkillable Arbites build did work by being unkillable

fierce marten
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Heretics cant win if you just dont lose

mortal crystal
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Sometimes the best thing you can do is just smack around some heretics while the rest of the squad deals with the captain, plague ogryn, and BoN that just spawned

fierce marten
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Unless you're playing the arbites build that kills monsters within 1 bolter mag

mortal crystal
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Of course

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but that was someone else in the party

fierce marten
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Just no weakness

mortal crystal
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so they did their job and I did mine

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Also, it was the first time I really felt like I was getting consistent utility out of the dog

fierce marten
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It's everyone's job to Lex or something

mortal crystal
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enough specialists and elites were spawning that I needed the ability to just ping a sniper or bomber and trust it was dead

fierce marten
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The dog is great at chasing specialists

mortal crystal
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also for shutting down gunners

fierce marten
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Grenades are nice at clearing hordes but dog has nice utility of its the game equivalent of extra action economy. It's a close tie between dog and no dog, which seems like nice balancing that are good

opaque crown
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i do think the more stuff you have that doesn't need ammo/grenade pickips, the more value it ends up having sometimes

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did you find out if you can toggle to single spot for the dog?

fierce marten
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Yes you can

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Menu settings under input and there's an option for single tap

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Huge QoL setting for spamming dog

marsh gyro
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There is a slight drawback to setting the "Press Once" companion tag option and it's that if you're running no dog talent Lone Wolf you can't ping enemies

fierce marten
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I don't know if changes anything but I set single tap to none so I don't think others will see my single tap

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I set double tap to be my ping

marsh gyro
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Oh that must be the secret sauce, my double tap is the "go there"

fierce marten
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Huh I guess I cant ping enemies, I can mark threats with the eye and location marker, close enough

mortal crystal
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And the actual image

tough compass
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Does anyone else find the post-mission cutscenes to somehow have worse performance than the regular gameplay?

marsh gyro
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It's surprisingly loady yeah

fierce marten
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Blessed community for those who mod https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/539

Nexus Mods :: Warhammer 40,000: Darktide
Dog Whistle

Target filtration for the Arbitrator Cyber-Mastiff, with optional auto-tag. Compatible with all classes, with per-class customization and extra features for Arbitrators and Focus Target Veterans

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tldr adds both tag filtering and auto tag an unfiltered target when you hold down tag

drowsy vine
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This has functionality for Vet focus target too

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Which is really cool

fierce marten
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Ye it works for all classes

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There was another one but it auto pinged everything with no filter so it pinged every elite including shotgunners which was annoying before arbites

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This is really nice for specialists

marsh gyro
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Triple shot double barrel shotty on Arbitrator has been incredible fun on Auric

fierce marten
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Castigator getting 8 shots out of the double barrel

tough compass
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For animations, does it remove the first shell on the first shot and the second shell sticks around until you use all three shells?

fierce marten
shrewd kite
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i want to try a castigator bolter build

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absolutely unstoppable firepower for the 15 seconds it can actually fire

fierce marten
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It's a boss deleter

opaque crown
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do i need to still use the executable to make mods work on darktide?

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or do i judt need to use the mod framework?

fierce marten
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Not sure what exe but you do need the mod framework

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Run a bat file once per patch and everytime you run darktide it'll have your mods

opaque crown
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the bat file is what i was referring to

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thank you

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ive had the same one for forever

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has it ever changed?

marsh gyro
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I don't think so, it's an old reliable

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I think the framework broke a bit and had to be updated around patch 1.7.3 but if you downloaded recently you should be fine

fierce marten
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Current at least works for me

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I found the perfect name for this the puncture remote detonation build.

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fierce marten
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Finally my legally distinct OC, Commissioner Yorik

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opaque crown
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hmm whats an inquisitor-ly veteran set up? I figure weapon spec, bolt pistol, power sword?

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or maybe shout

cloud hazel
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got my first auric chest

frigid saffron
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/j

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(Been running puncture dog explosion button since like. day one tho)

regal pendant
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YOU SAW A FUCKING WHAT

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What the FUCK are our rejects getting up to

drowsy vine
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Space madness does shit to your brain

signal current
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Have made ogryn, brawler, love shouting, love killing ‘eretics

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Name of Dent

tough compass
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<@&1042950387478560878> Does anyone want to do a few missions?

regal pendant
regal pendant
tough compass
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I will be in chat

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@regal pendant ETA?

regal pendant
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Hweurgh

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Can't VC cause my roommate's asleep but I'm hopping on now

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I arrive within the Mourningstar

tough compass
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7320499504 is my friend code

signal current
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Yeah sure I can do some missions

signal current
fierce marten
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Also auric mortis is wild, you get thrown like 5 bosses at once. I lost cause I was doing a funny build and didn't expect it to be harder than auric

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Cause like damnation mortis imo is easier than damnation with the buffs

marsh gyro
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New hotfix out, 1.8.2:
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-70-1-8-2/110096
Turns out bottom left tree damage to monstrosities node was applying to everything, oops!

Fatshark Forums
The Fatshark Forums

Hey Everyone, Hotfix #70 (1.8.2) is currently rolling out across our platforms. In the meantime, you can read the notes below. General Fixes Fixed banter frequency: banter has been increased for all classes during missions. Solved a common crash that could occur when browsing companion skins. Fixed an issue that was causing the server to cras...

shrewd kite
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...the 30% extra damage / DR node? no fucking wonder i was tearing it up so hard

mortal crystal
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Good news, they missed another major bug on the tree

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Nucio Aquilla's support node that gives 30% DR is bugged and gives 70% instead

drowsy vine
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lmfao

mortal crystal
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(even when they batch it tho it'll still be a great node, just not "face tank sniper shots and don't even break toughness" great)

wintry plaza
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Some Arbite dialogue

quiet escarp
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The Maul calling imagination a crime is genuinely really funny

mortal crystal
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Maul definitely feels like he knows exactly how ridiculous he is and just embraces it because it's funny

shrewd kite
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what does the special shot on the arbitrator shotgun with the choke do btw? it doesn't seem to electrocute, is it just chunkier damage?

tough compass
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I think it adds brittleness. Iirc it says what it does in the inspect menu

shrewd kite
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ooh, right you are

tough compass
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I wish Darktide had a summary of how each Mark is different when on the marks page. Or at the very least let's you inspect them (though that wouldn't let you know the main difference between the two arbities shotguns I don't think)

shrewd kite
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yeah definitely. thinking of what perks/blessings would be useful on that weapon. the extremeely tight spread makes me think ranged weakspot damage and, idk, carapace damage?

tough compass
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I like to imagine the "get bonus damage if all the pellets hit the same person", but that probably doesn't work when I'm using it as a mid-ranged weapon

shrewd kite
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oh yeah that's an easy take for the blessings

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this is what i'm rocking rn

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fierce marten
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Cause one is a slug and the other has wide spread and that's a big difference that isnt mentioned

fierce marten
tough compass
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True

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I feel the alt-fire is really good for making crushers stop crushing (at least on Damnation where there aren't too many of them)

fierce marten
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I never thought id see the day when cc'd is the thing to do in darktide but arbites's stagger is strong and you often have multiple sources of it. Crusher packs are like, you dont get to play the game get staggered

marsh gyro
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Yeah the Mk 8 brittleness shot does like 1500 damage to a crusher in the face and then the follow up is like 2500 more damage from the 30% brittleness

fierce marten
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Its very good for crushers and very tight spread

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A favorite of mines is crusher with crusher. Slaughterer and Skullcrusher is amazing on arbites

shrewd kite
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is Skullcrusher / Opportunist the way to go on Crusher (the weapon)?

fierce marten
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Id say Slaughterer, it is just broke, 40% strength is massive

mortal crystal
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I would do Skullcrusher and Slaughterer

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Skullcrusher to buff up the party on bosses and Slaughterer for hordes

fierce marten
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Strength also affects stagger too, so you can chain stagger crushers

marsh gyro
tough compass
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It makes sense that Arbites have good stagger at least

signal current
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sigh darktide can you stop breaking our audio for 5 minutes?

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Can’t even get past the loading screen

fierce marten
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Glad to see arbites also treat Ogyrns nice

regal pendant
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Nobody can bring themselves to treating the ogryns poorly

signal current
marsh gyro
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The 1.8.2 hotfix yesterday somehow accidentally turned all the gibbing to max and humble lasguns and shock mauls are now bisecting ogryns and mutants

drowsy tusk
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Darktide needs a cow mangler tf2 like Randall for some of the power weapons ngl

distant surge
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Give me a power washer, i'll clean the heretics 🧼

fierce marten
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Maybe thats why we're going after the water cartel, for our power washers

frank igloo
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exfoliate the heretic

fierce marten
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Bathe for the Emperor! Scrub for the golden throne!

tough compass
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I do find it funny that the torrent can be so on fire. The place with the water everywhere

fierce marten
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Its oilwater

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Dont ever trust rain in the underhive, its not water that's falling from above

tough compass
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... probably true yeah

worldly talon
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There are so many of these

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And yes this is an actual mod

fierce marten
tough compass
fierce marten
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I love how fast they made a disco quila mod

tough compass
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These are the sick beats of Malcador

soft summit
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Is this Lex approved

fierce marten
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I am the lex or something

tough compass
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Huh, why do the arbites talk about Malcador?

soft summit
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Didn't he create the Lex?

tough compass
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I thought he might have wrote the Lex or something but at least Lexicanum didn't mention such a detail

fierce marten
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Lexicanum, the better 40k wiki

tough compass
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It's annoying it is always after the fandom one in Google searches lol

fierce marten
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Random but I like how Malcador looks like the most shady im going to backstab you advisor trope but he's legit emp's best friend

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Man was ride and die

spiral badger
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so he's sort of their founding father by default

fierce marten
distant surge
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i love bolter arbites

fierce marten
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I was thinking about puncture bolter for havoc and auric mortis for boss slaying

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Puncture on bolter let's me still have bleed dog even if I miss out on the radius

tough compass
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Is the person behind sacrificed in the mission where you interrupt a ritual and find out the called is called admonition Wolfer? Or is it some random and presumably something bad will be happening in Wolfer for failing?

worldly talon
tough compass
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pathetic. They didn't make that

fierce marten
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Heresy is one thing, but kill stealing?!

marsh gyro
lost cave
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Wow Arbites is strong.

worldly talon
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The Executioner Shotguns pretty much render the other shotguns superfluous

drowsy vine
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dont really agree now they've been buffed significantly

lost cave
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It is shotgun but better. It does more damage, has better range, and abrites has talents that heavily support it.

drowsy vine
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and far less ammo with situational special shells

marsh gyro
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The combat shotguns rule now with turbo cleave and huger ammo

hushed glade
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Which one is the executioner

mortal crystal
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she means the Exterminator