dark tidings (Darktide for people in the searchbar)

[fierce marten]

Superiority complex also buffs grenades against elites

Base damage buffs that doesn't specify ranged or melee usually affects grenade.

I did t-ax with brutal momentum and headtaker for arthritis inducing LMB spam

[marsh gyro]

hadn't considered tac axe on vet, I usually run it on zealot, so that might be a fun experiment

[fierce marten]

If you feel comfortable using grenades as armored elite killer, headtaker makes it so shredders with that one grenade buff perk can kill every elite except crushers, maulers, and scab ragers well enough, for those 3 you throw 2 shredders and that'll do it

An alternative is uncanny strike on knife, shovel, or DS applies full rending to bleed

Makes shredder deal a lot to carapace still

[marsh gyro]

I'd been running Bolt Pistol for deleting gunners and ragers so this is a bold new paradigm to try

I do like me a shovel

[drowsy tusk]

I do believe I’ve been unknowingly using uncanny shovel on all my nades

[fierce marten]

It works sort of similar to how knives on zealot ignore armor for 3 shot crusher headshots with knives

But bleed, which does dramatically more damage for each stack past like 12 up to 16 and rending buffs it a lot

2 stabs with a knife with full uncanny and fleshtearer for 16 stacks will kill a crusher in seconds from bleed without any other setup or talents buffing it. Stronger with veteran's talents to crit, deal elite damage, and bleed of course.

And since shredders bleed

[regal pendant]

Is it me or is the AI director spawning a shitload more specials/elites lately

[fierce marten]

Not that Ive noticed

But the AI director just kind of is unpredictable at times

[regal pendant]

I've tried a particular Hi Intense twice and it felt like a fucking Havoc 40 with how much it was spewing at me

Just constant "SPECIALSPECIALSPECIALSPECIALSPECIALSPECIALSPECIALSPECIALSPECIALSPECIAL"

I kinda wanna complete it just out of spite now

[fierce marten]

What were the other modifiers, that seems normal for aurics

[drowsy vine]

That's very normal for Hi Intensity

[fierce marten]

Havoc 40 mostly is like, woe 50 scab ragers 50 maulers 50 crushers 3 captains every horde. Specials dont seem to be a lot more at once than auric hi shock its just is a constant trickle.

[regal pendant]

Mmm, true

[twin wasp]

<@&1042950387478560878> tidetide

[regal pendant]

Nah cause Hi Intense is normally just a little more of everything in general, not "fifty of everything, fuck you, we don't know what balancing is"

[fierce marten]

High intensity compared to damnation is more than a bit, its a good amount more than damnation

[opaque crown]

The good ol days of hi intensity shock troop gauntlet as a true harrowing

[fierce marten]

Me when I quickplay auric and realize its shock troop

[marsh gyro]

"We did it, we beat the mutant. And the dogs. And the bursters. And two more mutants. Maybe we should move forward. "

[opaque crown]

For me big auric hi intensity shock troops is like one screaming battle where you just keep yelling "we have to keep moving!"

[distant surge]

i like auric

[twin wasp]

<@&1042950387478560878> i ask you once more tidetide

[distant surge]

i can play but it has to be later....like 4 hours from now....maybe a bit more

[regal pendant]

Lord I'm starting to get why people like the Rumbler

This shit is fun

[opaque crown]

bonk-boom

and when things are getting dicey, shooting at the floor is a valid strategy

also the sticky rumblah is pretty solid at perma stunning/killing bosses at teh cost of most of your ammo

[regal pendant]

Sticky rumbler's nice against bulwarks too

"Hehehehehehe I'm hiding behind a shield, I'm hiding behind a shield, you can't hit me can't hit me"

The humble sticky grenade:

[fierce marten]

One thing I appreciate about high level havoc, people usually know time to move forward is when theres an inch of space that wont kill you so basically always.

Its like the petunia/dandelion meme but auric/havoc. Auric randos sometimes wait for a horde to be nothing more than a handful of pox walkers unless you play super aggro and they feel compelled to keep up. Havoc is like oh yes this inch of 50 scab ragers that will only mostly kill me we're truly blessed by the emperor.

It makes darktide players sound like masochists and i wont refute it

[marsh gyro]

I can confirm that Darktide goes great with Street Fighter 2 soundtrack

[distant surge]

[fierce marten]

If I pick laezel arbites I might call her "I-Am-The-Lawzel"

Doggo: OUR-bites

[distant surge]

One of ya better name ya Dog Skully

[worldly talon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1l8y1lc/got_off_work_and_sat_down_for_the_first/

I'm like 80% sure I'm just gonna name the dog 'Barkspawn'

[waxen patio]

4x arbites, call that barktide

[regal pendant]

I know what I'm calling my dog

[spiral badger]

my dog is going to be called old, to go with my arbites, Yeller

[distant surge]

Ogryns are a treasure

https://youtube.com/shorts/3AWCArPyI9g?si=BeVRvqlkyyCIhtCN

Ogryns dont deserve the grim darkness of 40k

[wintry plaza]

https://youtu.be/Aq_vdjOlpSY?si=P6NEJplVnAQKmbU3

Doggo gameplay

[fierce marten]

Can't wait for barktide

I wonder if the doggo is going to be shown in the dropship

And how'd it look with like 3 Ogyrns and an arbites

[marsh gyro]

That's a really chunky shotgun report

[fierce marten]

I hope arbites also drops some really good shotguns

I'm guessing the gun that goes with the assault shield is like a shotgun pistol

[regal pendant]

That shotgun looks mad satisfying

Wish the base combat shotgun functioned like it

[heavy geyser]

it looks like the apex mastiff

[regal pendant]

Lord I miss the Mastiff

...the TF2 version, idk if the Apex version is similar

[heavy geyser]

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fps/darktides-first-dlc-class-gets-a-cybernetic-dog-who-is-a-very-good-boy-and-will-arrive-alongside-a-free-update-that-structures-missions-in-a-campaign-at-long-last/

grenades and active abilities described in here

i'll let the one grenade be a surprise for you to read for yourself

[soft summit]

How did they taste

[distant surge]

let me ask them

[regal pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/jojos-killer-queen-detonate-gif-7376373

[distant surge]

they didnt answer :c

[fierce marten]

Yoooo the vox blitz?!

4 arbites blitzing at once becomes noise marines

[fierce marten]

TIL it takes roughly 22 minutes to punch a crusher to death https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/EtITjTZXAP

[distant surge]

i made this one build in darktide that i use to shoot enemies in the back and deal bonkers damage

its really good for dealing with bosses

wish i could take this into havoc

[fierce marten]

I found the perfect name for my arbites, SesbianLex

[brazen fossil]

YOOOOOO

[distant surge]

...

oh

i get it

[spiral badger]

i've decided on my names
Mercy and LexLuthor

[soft summit]

Mine is gonna be named Skibidi with my Dog as Toilet

[marsh gyro]

I gotta decide which one's gonna be Lexis and the other Nexis

[drowsy tusk]

Margot and Duroc for me🤠

space-french para-werewolf and the power of friendship

[neon nymph]

Infinity's breaking containment I see

[marsh gyro]

Infinitide

[drowsy tusk]

e hee hee hee

[worldly talon]

I'm like 90% sure the dog is going to be 'Barktide'

Or possibly 'Leman'

[spiral badger]

hmmm, i've beaten h40 with every class except vet
still haven't found a vet build that doesn't feel bad on it

[marsh gyro]

How high have you taken Vet in Havoc and what tree was it

[spiral badger]

like 36

and I've tried all of them except marksman because marksman just isn't good

[marsh gyro]

Yeah I run middle tree shredders survivalist shout super marks with a chainsword and bolt pistol and it works great except it's slow on bosses and so I'm still at Havoc 23 (also on account of only running 1 havoc a week)

[spiral badger]

focus target support vet is functional but you really struggle with the high armor hordes

[marsh gyro]

Havoc being 65% boss by volume has made me keenly aware of disparities in abilities to do Unyielding damage

[spiral badger]

and yeah your boss damage is just plain bad

[marsh gyro]

It's possible to do a decent chunk with a Thunderous Chain Axe revved up and it's also very fragile and Vet probably gets hit hardest by the 60% penalty to ammo pickups

I do 100% of my Havocs as pickups though so I've got no guarantee what actually shows up in the party for debuffs

[sonic elbow]

I think the "meta" is keystoneless

[brazen fossil]

Yeah

[spiral badger]

either keystoneless or focus target 1 point

because it's free damage real estate

[marsh gyro]

The Psykhanium could really use a glow up with letting you set enemies to Havoc toughness so you could figure out what the breakpoints are compared to Damnation because by 40 Specials and Elites get 50% more HP, Monstrosities can get up to 70% more, and so it's much more tough to actually count shots

[spiral badger]

vet support abilities are very strong in havoc, as is having a lot of grenades, it's just they're missing core damage in both melee and ranged to deal with the level of Mass that it inflicts on you

zealot has mobility, flamer, and more safety nets

[marsh gyro]

Yeah 12 packs of 3000 HP ragers and 4800 HP crushers are something that take a fair bit of finagling

[fierce marten]

I'm surprised to hear it, plasma gun shreds flak enemies which there are a ton of

[spiral badger]

ammo issues

not as bad as they were before but you still have to pick your times

and at 40 every single room is a mass of armor and bosses to kill

[fierce marten]

Ah yea, launch havoc guns were basically unusable you'd run out like right away.

[spiral badger]

so you're having to really watch your ammo usage

[marsh gyro]

Yeah they reduced the ammo penalty from -85% to -60%

[fierce marten]

Woe 50 scab ragers and mauler

[spiral badger]

oh that's fine, you can deal with that with melee :v

it's that, and then the twins show up, and also a beast

[fierce marten]

Guess I never noticed it as zealot, Zealot definitely has no issues with bosses if you go thammer. Havoc is the only time I ever run martyr cause it's mostly going to be always on cause I expect to down at least once

I do appreciate my vets with shredders though if I run thanmer

[soft summit]

Ladoris and Ladogis

[fierce marten]

I'm deciding between Brooklyn K9 and I am the Jaw for doggo

[frank igloo]

the only ogryn with a bon'ead is the one who talks about rations a lot, ther others dont; one even talks to the one with a bon'ead that he doesnt want an implant for a reason i forgot

[distant surge]

i am now getting used to the big stab build and i love it

[heavy geyser]

hell yeah

it does it all as long as you know how to route into it

[distant surge]

getting used to the stabby part is what i struggled with at the start

[heavy geyser]

you have to run a little before you can get heavy stab and not the swing

I've been working on some more compact stab setups but definitely get used to the normal stab first

you can use the little dot to aim for weakspots

[fierce marten]

The one with the bone head , bully says he thinks it's might not be working

Which if that's true and it's not working then he's just an Ogyrn savant

[heavy geyser]

I thought the russian one was also a bone'ead, I guess they're the one who wants one

That line is in that "4 Ogryn" video

a video for ants but this is the stab tech I'm working on

[distant surge]

Can this build go into havoc?

[heavy geyser]

guard cancel > backslide > stab setup > approach > 🇸 🇹 🇦 🅱️

probably? I don't play a lot of havoc but I play maelstroms with it. It can clear mixed hordes well with power on sweep combos and if there's multiple bosses you can make one go away

It can handle the major problems

[distant surge]

i love backstabbing the beast of nurgle with it

[heavy geyser]

they're SO juicy

plague ogryn and chaos spawn are both harder to get max damage on

[distant surge]

[heavy geyser]

it works really well on captains after their bubbles pop. help with bubble damage while powered off

when its about to pop, back up and power on

your teammates are going to mash the bubble back ASAP with their little baby swings

so you gotta get right in there and stab em in the back of the head

and do your famous disappearing act

[distant surge]

[fierce marten]

What mark is that

[distant surge]

i think i might have been using the wrong mark on the sword

[heavy geyser]

That is the Mk. II

the Mk. X has a more straightforward combo system and its stats are loaded into heavy attacks. The Mk. II has more complicated combo routing and its light and heavy attack damage is closer to even

So all the combos do pretty consistent damage.

I'm pretty sure you can do the stab stuff on a Mk. X as well,, since it also has the stab.

it has another, bonus stab!

But the one we want is out of dash, or dodgeslide.

[fierce marten]

Yea mark X it's just shove or block attack into heavy, not ideal if you run shroudfield as shove/block breaks it

[heavy geyser]

the Mk. II has like four different loops for different situations and you can route from one into any of the others

[fierce marten]

Yea light or heavy attack is available at any point in any combo, I've been trying to learn it with combo tracker mod

[heavy geyser]

Would you like the e.z. shortcut note?

[drowsy vine]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/543360117038383433?l=english

close enough. welcome Loner 2: actually well designed

[heavy geyser]

important note at the bottom:
… and, if you have four Arbites with that aura, you can up to a total eight in your Coherency pool.” - Gunnar

[fierce marten]

Is this an aura that stacks?

Are there any uncapped scaling coherency talents, I remember veteran's TDR one which caps at 33%

[heavy geyser]

It sounds like it actually stacks

[marsh gyro]

Toughness regen already scales nonlinearly so this might be wild

[sonic elbow]

3 arbites hyping up a coherency build ogryn

[regal pendant]

Is Big Boom worth taking if I wanna use a Rumbler?

Or is the explosion radius boost too small to really be meaningful?

[drowsy vine]

22.5% is a big increase, it's worth

[regal pendant]

Right

...actually it's 27.5%, so it's even better than that

I'll just have to get used to Loyal Protector instead of Bullrush

On the topic of the Rumbler. I'm noticing a weird interaction between the one stick bombs blessing and Reapers, where if I pop a headshot the Reaper just instantly disintegrates.

Which doesn't happen with Crusher or Bulwarks

It looks almost like there's some damage fuckery from how the health bar visibly depletes rather than instantly vanishing

[sonic elbow]

big boom also boosts power maul if you're into that

[marsh gyro]

Rumbler is really really tough to use without the blast radius increase; without it, you can direct hit a gunner and then the projectile lands 3 meters away and does next to no damage and won't kill them

[regal pendant]

Righto, going for that then

[marsh gyro]

This one's easy to explain, weak spot direct hits vs Unyielding do turbo damage; Bulwarks have 20% more health than Reapers so need more work to get the one shot

[regal pendant]

Aaaaaaaaaah I see

[drowsy vine]

Ogryn feels really damn good after the talent rework

They did a bangup job

The weapon swap speed talent at the start of the Feel No Pain tree makes the Gorganum single stubber sing

[sonic elbow]

what's it singing

[drowsy vine]

bullet :)

[sonic elbow]

a true banger

[brazen fossil]

Oh yeah the orgyn rework is absolutely immaculate

I can plow through hi intensity damnation like it's nothing

[drowsy vine]

Eh that's not really my barometer of a succesful rework

It's a lot more evenly powerful but it also just has like

Way better build variety

[brazen fossil]

Well I can do that with more then two builds now

[drowsy vine]

Yup

Smooth as butter

[brazen fossil]

Also the big slapper now works really well and that's really fun

Slapping monstrosities to death is just really funny

[fierce marten]

Ogyrn rework being good gives me hope for arbites being decent

A lot of the talent trees, looking at you zealot, haven't been reworked in a while and if fatshark redid them they'd probably be good like Ogyrn with what they've learned since launch

[opaque crown]

Isn't the zealot still considered like the best there is or some such?

That's generally what I hear

[fierce marten]

Best power wise but the talent tree is the worst

All the builds look the same, there's a lot of tax nodes if you want to play around with different paths on the tree, and clustering of disproportionately strong talents in one path makes it the antithesis of build crafting

[marsh gyro]

I blame it all on Loner aura

[distant surge]

Ogryn got a rework?

what are the changes like?

tell me the most notable one

[opaque crown]

it was a bit ago now

[marsh gyro]

It was a couple months ago, dev blog links in this post:
#1159883850562932826 message

[distant surge]

thank u

[sonic elbow]

I think the beginning of the zealot tree kinda saved throwing knives

are they the strongest blitz? yeah

but they're a finicky knife when the alternatives are a molotov and a whole-room stun bomb with very obvious use

people wouldn't've paid them enough to mind to discover their power if they weren't forced to take them by the tree only having one real path

[opaque crown]

im not convinced knives are the "strongest" blitz

[sonic elbow]

there's a strong argument for flashbang but molotov falls off real hard

[opaque crown]

I tend to favor shredder frags for frequency or ogrnyheimer

[sonic elbow]

oh I mean on zealot

[opaque crown]

ahh

At least as far as i can tell, the molotov goes perfectly fine well into auric

[marsh gyro]

They regenerate and they free up nades for more ogrynning so they have strengths

I do love me stuns

[opaque crown]

Oh yeah they have strengths for sure, not saying they're weak

In my experience though I've seen the fire nades buy a lot of valuable space

[marsh gyro]

Do fire nades from two Zealots stack or nah?

[fierce marten]

I sort of agree they're not finicky but unintuitive on why they're so good like it's very consistent if you look up the techs. Like knives inherit some weapon blessings like uncanny to 1 shot every enemy except for bosses and 2-3 shot crushers safely. You're not at all reliant on pickups and havoc has very few if any. Is instant special delete so you can take another weapon that isn't your special delete. Animation cancels bolter and flamer for instant fire without the long animation

If you didn't know these techs knives are not as good

[fierce marten]

But also the path above it contains many of zealot's strongest talents. 50% TDR on crit, second wind for 15% on dodge, scourge for +30% crit chance if you hit 3 bleeding enemies.

It's very much loaded on the right side starting off

[fierce marten]

I wish loner aura did something useful for teammates, like at least give everyone your coherency slot so it's like they always have you nearby

It's like an aura bad for teammates, like many vets take TDR with coherency and they can't ever benefit yours

[heavy geyser]

There's a few magnets in the tree that really bend it into the shape you often see it take on

[sonic elbow]

oh yeah I'm aware of all the stuff knives do, that's why I consider them the strongest
doesn't hurt that I love them for aura reasons too

my point is nothing knives can do is apparent from a cursory look

[heavy geyser]

Top left is a bad string of talents, middle has some good ones and there's tons of juice in the top right. Middle right has Loner but it also has Thy Wrath Be Swift but the real juice of the middle is on the left, where Duellist and death insurance is, where the middle has a unique aura but some more niche talents, so it bends towards the left. The bottom row is two of essentially the same aura depending on if you want crits or no-crits, and a middle branch that doesn't scale as well as the other two with enemy density.

[sonic elbow]

but them being on Default Zealot Tree made everyone run them so much they had no choice but to learn

[heavy geyser]

this is why they all kinda go Z shaped

the repellant and attractive magnets pull it that way

I like an idea a friend suggested, that Holy Revenant should be an innate class ability and not a talent investment

The way the Ogryn rework turned out is a good model for how to fix top left.

Breaking up middle left and reworking Loner would let the whole middle of the tree un-bend itself

Zealot has a ton of things that almost work, except for one small detail that makes the whole thing not worthwhile and those things can be cleaned up. It's the only tree that hasn't had a major rework because it kind of works, but therte's also like, one or two actual builds it can make so once everything else is taken care of, it's definitely worth the kind of look that oculd open up the tree to more novel builds.

[sonic elbow]

honestly I think loner should be replaced with something completely new

it's an antitethical talent

[heavy geyser]

They kind of can't completely rework it because there's penances attached to it

[sonic elbow]

oh right

[heavy geyser]

So they have to reshape it in a way that ensures those penances are still fulfillable

[sonic elbow]

though loner shroudfield instant toughness refill is a very funny build

[fierce marten]

Yea the only time toughness regen perk on curios is useful

I did a loner shroudfield Fortitude toughness regen build with cutthroat and invocation and even tried it out with a relic blade

I was basically forever invisible

[brazen fossil]

I think zealot in general is odd

It jas some absolutely amazing talents but also some really odd ones

[fierce marten]

Iirc it's never had a rework since launch and the game was very different balance wise back then, they've like adjust individual talents but otherwise everything is in the same spot

[heavy geyser]

yeah

in a post-Ogryn rework context Vicious Offering would also have like, 5% toughness restore on light attack kill

so it can be useful if either part of a heavy > light combo loop is the move that kills

and just, Disdain stacking when it cashes in the previous stack

Swift Certainty used to be a bigger speed boost but they nerfed it from 10% to 5% and its other effect is so niche (perpindicular bullet dodge while running without stamina) that it's essentially identical to the 5% movement speed mini node at the fork of the middle left. They're the same in practice.

Fortitude in Fellowship sounds cool, +50% coherency toughness regen, but then you learn that that means it only applies when you're not being targeted by melee, or when you're out of combat.

Shield of Contempt sounds cool but you learn its 10 second cooldown is shared among all four people in the group, and its hard to predict who is going to burn it and leave everyone else unprotected.

Lots of tiny little things.

But they've definitely added up into a particular route being the most broadly useful, and its very linear.

[fierce marten]

Yea it makes Fortitude only useful with Loner

I feel if zealot got the Ogyrn rework and they like spreaded out each meta talent so each path is works fine it would be nice for build crafting

And having a diverse amount of end game builds

[heavy geyser]

Holy Revenant really has to be an innate class ability or else its always going to be the magnet.

Especially at higher intensity where Something Can Happen.

[drowsy tusk]

Yea the last major change was when they implemented the skill tree replacing the previous system

[fierce marten]

I wasn't around for that, was it like vermintide 2?

[spiral badger]

zealot tree just needs reshuffling and maybe some tax nodes integated into base

vet tree needs a total refresh imo

in particularly the keystones are too far down and not always valuable

[drowsy tusk]

It was pick from 2 skills every other level and some fixed bonuses

Only 1 choice of blitz

The ones that are now the ones you have with no blitz skill selected

Anyway that’s letters tide-boomer ramble

[heavy geyser]

The middle middle branch of Zealot tree, the left side of it has some genuinely fun talents that make run & gun playstyles work a bit better, leading down into the cleanse aura node.

its neat, but finesse + holy revenant is so strong

[drowsy tusk]

Back in my day at least 1 player crashed in a loading screen almost every mission

[fierce marten]

Ah ok similar to vermintide 2, it had 3 choices every level up for 5 total options at max level and each career was basically it's own mini class

Yea I like current better, once it's adjusted

[fierce marten]

Pretty much, finesse is wild when you consider Zealot gets like 40% min crit chance with nearly any melee weapon

[distant surge]

do you guys think a build that focus on unloading a magazine and killing groups of special enemies in the back has a place in Havoc?

sort of made a backstabbing veteran

[spiral badger]

not high havoc

because ammo is scarce

[distant surge]

hmmm

[spiral badger]

perfectly functional for most of it

[distant surge]

maybe i dont wanna do veteran on havoc

[spiral badger]

but like 30+ you start to suffer real bad

[marsh gyro]

One shotting shooters at range before they fire is a huge priority

[distant surge]

[fierce marten]

Yeet the grenades, a boring answer is the most ammo efficient option is plasma gun

[regal pendant]

Chrissakes I wish Brunt would give me a 17% toughness curio already

My Toughness has been sitting at 199 for the past several dozen hours of gameplay and it's bugging the shit out of me

[marsh gyro]

Might be easier to check Melk since you want a 420 power or higher curio

[regal pendant]

No dice there either

Starting to wonder if my psyker's got some weird bug that prevents them from existing for her

[heavy geyser]

There used to be a browser extension that let you check your shops without turning the game on

but I think an update broke it and it never got fixed

so, rip

[marsh gyro]

I'm thinking the secret sauce for Veteran right now is shredders, Armourbane/Falter Helbore, and Trauma/Decimator shovel (standard or folding both good)

However, there is the massive caveat I can't hit anything good with the default helbore skins and use the premium one with a square around the front post so I guess tough times for anyone without that skin

For those who hadn't seen that sight:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159883850562932826/1314301949268590602/image.png?ex=684f1513&is=684dc393&hm=5b7d6aecaad31e83c7a6a986c8311e993d487fe6920a8b2e655e6cdaa89b0fcd&

[heavy geyser]

Ohh I have that skin but I don't like the square. I'm glad it's helpful to someone else though, I felt bad about that purchase.

[marsh gyro]

While it is very 40k to not see what you're shooting at because field of view is completely covered with explosions and inferno staff and disco bubble psyker shield it does make it rough when enemy Snipers can shoot at 40m and I gotta line up that post, haha

[waxen patio]

Remember to always ping everything forever. Painting things with red outlines saves lives (not the outlined thing though, that's gonna die soon)

[heavy geyser]

My issue is the rectangle covers up the peripheral around the front sight so I can't see the immediate head I'm aiming at.

[fierce marten]

Zealot flamer says you don't need to see

[heavy geyser]

I tend to raise my sights up from a little below to line up my shots

so that bar is right in my way

the whole rest of that sight makes a big triangle which I quite like using. Its the Fed Ex arrow.

[fierce marten]

I'm a fan of square for this reason

If I could put a reflex sight on everything I would

[marsh gyro]

Ah that tracks, I do the opposite where I lower it from above so it's not so bad

I've been using shooter highlight stance for fun and it does help tremendously

[fierce marten]

I like dots, let's you always see above and below while being precise enough to click heads

Scopes with the little triangle too

[distant surge]

I was doing thunder hammer

I convinced the team to let me kill every daemonhost on the map

[fierce marten]

If you can one shot or nearly can go for it, some of the side routes to avoid them are pains

And some like, are still within the activated radius of a daemonhost so you can still trigger it with a lot of gunfire

[distant surge]

[opaque crown]

rumblah firing squad for daemonhosts can be fun

[fierce marten]

Daemonhost does not get to play get stunlocked

Safer than shield Ogyrn tanking since you can be outsids the AoE corruption aura

[heavy geyser]

I've never attempted the big funny stab on a daemonhost

[fierce marten]

Hopefully not, you only bonk with a thammer

[heavy geyser]

Well, about that,

[regal pendant]

Is Prescience worth taking over Seer's Presence or is Seer's Presence just infinitely better?

[marsh gyro]

Auras don't stack so if there's another Seer's Presence Psyker in the party slam that Prescience

[regal pendant]

Right

[brazen fossil]

Seers presence is but prescience isn't bad for it, just not as good

[regal pendant]

Yeah, cause 10% off of ALL ability cooldowns is mad good

[brazen fossil]

Oh yeah

[twin wasp]

<@&1042950387478560878> TIDETIDE?

(might be too early too late for most people do say if it is)

[drowsy vine]

i am interested

seeing if i can grab ashley

[crystal sluice]

ashley

[distant surge]

What am i looking at?

[drowsy vine]

clutched it up at the end of this mission. 50 bulwarks aint nothin

[marsh gyro]

Extra rations all around

[drowsy vine]

ogryn feels slick as hell

[regal pendant]

CASTIGATE THE ENEMIES OF THE GODHEAD GOD-EMPEROR

[fierce marten]

I hope it's massive massive, not being able to sprint seems like it'd sting

But also I'm used to zealot so sprinting is my default

[regal pendant]

...huh, I spawned in with one extra ammo than my max

Odd

[regal pendant]

Oh holy Christ I understand why folks love the Rumbler now

This shit is so good

Stagger an entire pack of ragers, melt down a boss, tell Bulwarks to get fucked, onetap Reapers, evaporate hordes, what CAN'T this thing do

[marsh gyro]

Not the best vs captain shields so you gotta slap 'em

Rumbler crew 💪

[drowsy vine]

engage dispersed shooters :p

the most important part for me

its why im single stubber pilled all the way

[regal pendant]

I also have a lump of conk creet in my back pocket for those instances

[regal pendant]

...oh god I forgot how overstimulating knife is

Ogh

[sonic elbow]

I play deliberately overstimulating builds and the everything all at once aspect is a big part of why I love tide games

this is my ADHD catharsis game

but I also get why my friends looking over my shoulder question my sanity

vermintide genuinely broke my brain in that I couldn't enjoy other games because not as much was happening

and there's even more happening in darktide

[regal pendant]

I need to go play Vermintide again

I miss Scythe Unchained

...that scythe is such a good weapon, I love it to bits

[opaque crown]

Ogryn sometimes feels like the not overestimating king. Even when a lot is happening, you can feel like a boat of calm in troubled waters

[sonic elbow]

steady like a chunk of conk creat

[regal pendant]

On the topic of ogryn, what's the best mark for the ogryn knife?

[drowsy vine]

Still the Krourk Mk IV

[fierce marten]

Always fun as a non Ogyrn to just see a rager pack disappear with a chunk of the horde it's good stuff. It's like shredders boom on a gun

[fierce marten]

No yea same, I like relic blade but I often hear the allure of knife zealot and arthritis builds. I'm sort of cooked on horde games cause few are as fast paced, dense, and you're not a glass cannon.

[waxen patio]

it's so cozy to just be standing in a horde, swinging your stupid club side to side without a care in the world

[opaque crown]

Big shield, bonking and shoving, face tanking an entire gunner patrol, easy life

[fierce marten]

Random but I'm a fan of the daemonhost rituals, I was never really a fan of the l4d2 witch type enemies cause often it's just a slight inconvenience and often optional as there's a side passage and it's just content to skip cause there's really no reason to fight it and not hard to avoid it usually. The rituals I like cause it presses you for time and changes up the pace more than a short detour and you have to engage with it

[opaque crown]

I do feel like the daemonhost, mechanically, needs some kind of risk to reward element, otherwise it's just a thing you avoid 100% of the time and only fight when someone is cocky, isn't paying attention, or the game mutator is making you

I do think a time pressure mechanic is fun as an optional though, and might be better than the base host mechanic

[marsh gyro]

Yeah the rituals make you push forward which rules except oops it's dark and Psyker wildfire woke up a real host and wow that's a Beastie of Nurgle and yep that's a barrel ring out and well guess I'm trying this Havoc again; Darktide is neat

[marsh gyro]

Mk 4 has turbo good lights, Mk 3 bull butcher has the hardest hitting overhead heavy if running heavy melee left side, and I like the patterns on the Mk6 even if it's not quite as DPS-y

[fierce marten]

A lukewarm take since I think many darktide players agree, rolling steel is an example of timed missions people like it has good momentum and time crunch.

[marsh gyro]

Rolling steel's OST is so good

[fierce marten]

It's the one mission I don't pay attention to the music except at the start with the first minigame

[marsh gyro]

Dev blog's up about the new numbers in next week's patch, lots of big winners like eviscerators and shock mauls:
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/june-update-early-balance-look/108795

[heavy geyser]

that is their function. they limit space and force narrow routing because they give no reward for clearing if you fight it. you're not supposed to want to fight them, and they make sightlines dangerous to fire down.

[fierce marten]

Yes that's how it works, but it can be done better.

Every enemy in darktide you fight, outside of just running past them.

They present a threat you use violence or abilities to get rid of, a daemonhost you just walk around it

The other enemies engage with you, this one doesn't really and like if you choose not to engage it does nothing. The space limitation is an inconvenience at most once you learn how to avoid it outside of mutant throwing you at one.

[marsh gyro]

Daemonhosts in lights out modifier or fog modifier are always funny and that's why more get spawned there
edit: I have lost so many havoc runs to these

[tough compass]

(To nitpick, I think technically you get a trivial amount of monies for defeating a daemonhost)

You'd think you'd get more accolades for defeating a daemonhost, but do they just run away if you "kill them"?

[fierce marten]

I prefer those over default daemonhosts, it's really easy to accidentally trigger one and you can bet you're going to face one which is fine to me I don't mind being forced to fight a boss because it means I can use the best parts of darktide, melee, ranged, or abilities to kill an active one. Sprinting carefully around an area isn't an aspect that makes darktide for me.

[fierce marten]

I am a fan of the havoc daemonhost rituals

[marsh gyro]

Same, I gotta do a little more testing and I think a Ogryn frag bomb from downtown will knock out all 6 ritual peoples

[fierce marten]

If anything I'd want the havoc ritual daemonhosts to be like the default at like damnation and higher

At that difficulty you're probably good enough to know how to push a soft timer and haul ass through a horde to ritualists.

[regal pendant]

Odd question

Can smoke nades pop a hound off of someone

Cause I've seen a hitmarker pop up when a smoke explodes near enemies

Meaning it dealt SOME degree of damage or stagger

[marsh gyro]

The explode profile of the smoke suppresses in the aoe but I don't know if that staggers

[opaque crown]

i think id like more dynamism out of daemonhosts, the rituals are a good example

some kind of pressure factor is good; wouldn't mind the kind thay you can concievably ignore but could benefit from ending too

[sonic elbow]

I was trying to make smoke nades do funny things earlier and iirc they don't stagger

I can't refind my research notes because discord search

[frank igloo]

I think some of the havoc modifiers should come to the regular mission board

[opaque crown]

might be asking for too much, but having specific god type daemonhosts that had their own localized meta effect might be interesting

[fierce marten]

The recent event totems had something I thought that was neat and isn't in the game. A stationary object you have to wack and kill and the benefit being skulls or to stop the AoE healing if you've got a monstrosity out of it.

Like daemonhost ritual where killing ritualists won't stop it but basically it goes really slow so you have to either stick around the area and wack it to kill it before it activates while dealing with the horde

[marsh gyro]

Brain Burst Enhanced Psionics Psyker is good clean fun even if a really on top of things team keeps killing gunners faster than I can do the burst

[fierce marten]

Its one thing I did in that mortis trials

Really brain blasting everyone

Like that one anime (From the world anew?) just chain brain bursts aoe

Another one is refund bullet on crit so you know I did something silly with vet

[drowsy tusk]

By far my favorite mortis thing is the one that makes the oggy box split into any nade in the game including fire and frag bomb

[fierce marten]

It is fun, a little too easy since the PC modifiers can be bonkers but I like the idea of it.

[fierce marten]

I am looking at the non arbites patches. Devil claw patch and heavy gets the 4 enemy damage cap removed?!

And confirmed DS will get a change in the future

[split mantle]

DS?

[fierce marten]

Dueling sword

[drowsy vine]

great changes

[split mantle]

Any news on 1h power sword?

[fierce marten]

I do love lesser used weapons getting buffed. Combat shotgun is too and seemingly minor buffs to double barrel

[quiet escarp]

The heavy combat shotgun is particularly intriguing with that big damage boost

I honestly couldn't believe that they didn't already have the Assault movement characteristics

[brazen fossil]

Can anyone post a link to the changes?

[heavy geyser]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1ldpomi/june_update_early_balance_look/

[brazen fossil]

Awesome!

Yeah that's awesome

[regal pendant]

Is it me or does the Mk IV Devil's Claw have this like

Really weird input latency with its combos

Idk how to describe it but the lights feel like

Delayed at random somehow?

Like you'll be chaining lights and then there'll be a good half second pause between swings at random

[marsh gyro]

Are you on wi fi or plugged in with ethernet? I'll find dropped packets on wi-fi cause rollback on my melee sometimes

[regal pendant]

Wi fi

Guess that must be the issue

[regal pendant]

hoo

[frank igloo]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/520842750961123451?l=english

[marsh gyro]

Sign me up for auric mortis trials

[drowsy tusk]

Yea gimme some real hordes to munch with the mortis abilities

[distant surge]

[fierce marten]

The replaying campaign via personality scourge is funny to me, literally scrubbing that part of your memory so you can relive it

Also I didn't realize there was anything important behind the meat grinder until I read this blog

[acoustic wharf]

Am I crazy or has Fatshark still not put out any kind of article on cop weapons

[fierce marten]

Not in detail

[drowsy tusk]

There was an article from pc gamer or something that had a run down on the weapons

[distant surge]

Space cop

[acoustic wharf]

Finally, real gameplay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnwSPPVg0DM

[mortal crystal]

https://youtu.be/PuF5tVYpMTs

[fierce marten]

https://youtu.be/KkORLaA3WVA?si=YdJl1pHwA_7KsBlo

Reginald got to play arbites a bit

The shot pistol is a 5 round shotgun pistol and the special makes the spread tight so you can take out specialists across the map propably

And you can shoot while blocking, you just can't reload

[acoustic wharf]

Hmmmmmmm

[fierce marten]

That's really nice actually

No longer fear the burster or crusher overhead

Or snipers

I assume there's going to be a metric ton of hype on launch day, I wonder if the servers will be able to handle the massive surge in players

Or will it be a, just don't play for 2 days until people hop off the hype train and servers are usable

[drowsy tusk]

I mean server stability has deffo improved over the game’s lifespan, I’m vaguely confident they’ll hold

[fierce marten]

This talent tree is so beautiful it makes me cry as a zealot player

I want it

[tough compass]

It's a rocket ship!

[acoustic wharf]

To piggyback off this, the build website will let you tinker with Cop
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[marsh gyro]

Oh wow that's a pretty tree - I'm going to go the Lone Wolf with so much cleave and impact an Ogryn would be proud

[acoustic wharf]

I am very tempted by the Infinite Pocket of Spicy Frisbees

[fierce marten]

Yup that was where I got it from Gameslantern goated, the community builds there are less so

[tough compass]

How could you do that to your most loyal companion!?

Not even the heretics try to get rid of the dog!

Huh, having a single node to seperate two of the sections is mildly weird. Enjoy the +50 toughness always I guess lol

[marsh gyro]

In my very best Judge voice, "I am the dog"

[tough compass]

This is amazing:

[distant surge]

I wanna give my dog a person's name and the arbites a dog's name, any ideas?

[tough compass]

I know someone who named their dog "Doug"

[distant surge]

cute

[fierce marten]

Doug and Dawg

[marsh gyro]

Grover and Rover

[distant surge]

is Grover the dog or the human name?

[marsh gyro]

Human in this case

[distant surge]

[fierce marten]

The doggo looks nice but Lone Wolf is kind of bonkers,

Thats a lotta buffs and basically vet stockpile if you pick shock mines or impact grenades

[heavy geyser]

choosing to not have a dog is undogsmanlike conduct

[fierce marten]

I mean if you dont have a dog youre not a dogmans

[heavy geyser]

tsk.

[spiral badger]

please change loner to recharge zealot blitzes

tia

[fierce marten]

Its funny one of your blitz is explode dog (its fine)

[distant surge]

I hope this doesnt overshadows the dog way too much

[fierce marten]

+1 biltz charge is pretty strong as well

Lesso for the impact grenades since you get 4

But for mines where you get 1 and i assume itll be stronger per use

For this one it looks neat but I have to know, will my doggo try to kill a burster next to me

Cause i already have teammates that do that

[distant surge]

Maybe ur teammate dont wanna do that

[fierce marten]

I trust my doggo is more predictable

[distant surge]

Yeah

I hate how bots will just detonate bursters in your face

Players do that too but im just thinking if the regular bot does it maybe the dog does too

[fierce marten]

Thats my thought

Having the doggo be a patrol for like trappers sounds amazing

Since it doesnt care about LoS and Bulwark wall, itll get the specialist

But bursters blowing up in your face when you already shoved it cause of doggo

[distant surge]

They should either like disarm the burster or ignore them in my opinion

Disarm might be a lil busted but yeah

[fierce marten]

Yea maybe like dog pounce disarms it while its pinned

[distant surge]

[tough compass]

Burster refuses to explode when the dog goes for it because it refuses to hurt the doggy

[fierce marten]

Emperor protects doggo

Cant be hurt

[frank igloo]

The dog is free anti dog pounce tbh

How many games have been lost because the last person got pounced by a dog

Lone wolf has to be busted to be able to compete with "literally not lose the game"

[fierce marten]

Out of all the specialists its usually trappers for me

Dog cant help with that

Dogs are the easiest one to deal one

[regal pendant]

What weapons do y'all reckon the Arbites is gonna get besides the Arbites-specific ones?

[fierce marten]

Maybe besides mutant

Gameslantern has the weapons

They otherwise seem to get the normal generic human ones

[fierce marten]

I dont know if dog is that strong, you can still lose by normal means

[regal pendant]

Be funny if they got the Relic Blade

[acoustic wharf]

There's the common pool weapons they get

Notably the Zealot Big Bonker is now common pool, at least with Cop

[mortal crystal]

https://youtu.be/fmk_a8QwgJE

Nice to see Reginald getting tapped for an official video

[regal pendant]

...oh that is a MISERABLE roll

[fierce marten]

Me getting a 60 damage knife

[spiral badger]

that's usually fine tho

knife has a very small damage range

[distant surge]

[regal pendant]

Reckon I might try out the Crusher for Arbites specifically, I do like my big two handers

[distant surge]

I wonder if we'll ever get an assasin

Or is that waaaaay too powerful?

[fierce marten]

Small damage range?

I think it hits several one shot breakpoints on certain builds on like zealot/veteran between 60 and 80

[waxen patio]

a proper Officio Assassinorum assassin would be far above the mooks we play as. Most of them don't really fit well with "clear through hordes of enemies" (Callidus, Culexus, Vindicae), though an Eversor assassin would be a wild blender of death. Eversor assassins are pretty much under the Warframe method of stealth in that there are no witnesses if you kill all the witnesses.

[drowsy tusk]

Death cult assassin would be possible

[heavy geyser]

Some of the rejects whisper about Officio Assassinorum guys. I forget which kind they talked about though.

the Fanatic Zealot mentions seeing one.

And I think French Psyker or one of the others doubts the claim

It might have been Callidus, that's the one I'm least familiar with

[drowsy tusk]

Vindicare, they say they saw a scope glint

[heavy geyser]

That was it

[quiet escarp]

Death Cult assassin would make sense, but I think it's honestly already sort of covered by the sneaky side of the Zealot tree

[drowsy tusk]

Yea fair

[quiet escarp]

Which is honestly a problem for an Assassin in general, no matter the origin. We have sneaky zealots for melee and sneaky vets for ranged, so a dedicated sneaky class would be a hard one I think

That said, the Arbites also just has some overlap with all the other classes now too just different mixes

So who knows

I'm still hoping for a Ganger or illegal non-mechanicus tech, with access to all the silly Necromunda weapons/gear

Could have branches in it's tree for Having Big Flashy Guns, Doing Experimental Drugs, and having weird bombs/grenades

[opaque crown]

i seriously doubt we'll get an officio asassinorum guy tbh, but would be pretty sick

also obviously the scope was referring to a ratling sniper

death cult assassin would be a fun way to potentially include a dual wielding centric character

and have a lot of bleed centric mechanics on one class

i think tech adept would be super cool but also unclear what it's gimmick and bespoke gear would be

[quiet escarp]

I feel like it would have to be partly a buffing allies kind of character

I suggest making them a ganger in addition to a tech adept just so they can get at some of the fun stuff from Necromunda/the RPGs. Webbers, Needle guns, monowhips, mining laser, etc too

[fierce marten]

Skitarri warrior is one on par with arbites

It wouldn't be a big narrative stretch to be like, we got closer to bottom of atoma and found clues of an STC (extra meme points if it's one for moebian steel) book skittari legion from Mars from tech priests all pitching a few of their skittari. Or Grendyl lies about it. Or even Grendyl is like yea we're running out of rejects from the prison barge a lot of them died and kayex is like, no worries we got skittari I took many of the dead preservitors you recruited and made them into servitor in anticipation

[fierce marten]

It would be neat to have a class that's from atoma, especially spicy if its like a gang enforcer from the gang Zola used to be a part of

[spiral badger]

gonna make a female maul arbites
name: Elf
dog: EEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLFFFFFF

[drowsy vine]

https://youtu.be/PuF5tVYpMTs?si=ZDAF3LdQDQyzmPy1

Unsurprisingly the Arbites talent tree has some real juice

[fierce marten]

The only talent to never take more than 50 HP in one attack seems huge

No more one shots

I just love how the tree is shaped it's so easy to have choices

[drowsy tusk]

Nah they name drop the vindicare

[fierce marten]

Ratling would have been fitting with Ogyrn, but they don't want to redo maps for short sadly.

Unless... Ratlings of unusual size?

[heavy geyser]

They'd just have to give Ratlings the Veteran-specific aiming over cover mechanic.

[sonic elbow]

bardin being completely blinded by the wheat fields in VT2 was the funniest thing ever, they're worrying too much

[regal pendant]

First of the premium arbites cosmetics dropped

[fierce marten]

Well vermintide 2 maps were made with bardin in mind which darktide wasn't cause internally they said no short kings in darktide. It would be funny if ratling had a normal vault height so you see a little guy jump 4 feet to mount over a barrier

[fierce marten]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmk_a8QwgJE

[distant surge]

just saw an Ogryn called Onion

thats a really good Ogryn name

[distant surge]

also the bolt pistol is good

but i think im a revolver kind of guy

[marsh gyro]

Revolver is super cool

[distant surge]

i just love how quick it is to pull out

and you can also get more than one guy in one shot

[marsh gyro]

Try it on Psyker sometime with the cleave talent and you can get double the dudes per shot

[distant surge]

[fierce marten]

My favorite Vet build is weapon specialist with revolver

You basically dont need to reload

And its a rare instance you dont need surgical on revolver as weapon specialist will get you a crit

[marsh gyro]

Yeah crucian roulette still works on the free reloads so Crucian+1 melee kill + Deadshot gets you 100% crit real easy dancing at 1 bullet left

[fierce marten]

That's what I use, I dont always have 1 and swap to load in an extra round in case I need to fire multiple shots so still getting good chance of crit without ADS is nice

Right path on vet lets you swap and use melee even faster and it feels good to cowboy quickdraw

Sometimes I shoot before I think and just really kill a random horde guy

[opaque crown]

whats the vibe on the fan fire one vs aimed? I feel like aimed is more general purpose but the fan fire just feels slick

[regal pendant]

Fan fire is extremely CQC

You can pick off long range targets but it's a pain in the ass and after the first shot it gets WILDLY inaccurate

It just feels kind of worse in general though

[marsh gyro]

Braced revolver goes really good with run n gun blessing, regular revolver is good to take time on your shots

I can't aim good so I like braced revolver for its bigger ammo reserve

[regal pendant]

Cause yeah, you get more ammo and a blisteringly fast fire rate, but is it worth losing out on 200 damage and the ability to ADS on top of it having dogshit accuracy after a single shot?

[heavy geyser]

I have found that revolver needs two blessings to really get the most out of it and its ammo pool and there's no real room for run & gun plus a single other blessing.

[spiral badger]

fan fire doesn't really have a niche unfortunately

[heavy geyser]

the bolt pistol fills that niche better with a larger magazine and better ammo economy

[spiral badger]

mostly because it doesn't penetrate

[marsh gyro]

I like it on monstrosities

[spiral badger]

if you could fan fire into a group and drop like 5 ragers with blowthrough it'd have a specific utility

it's better than the other revolver on monsters but if I'm bringing a ranged weapon for monsters I could just bring a recon lasgun

[regal pendant]

Or a double barrel

[marsh gyro]

What are you running on recon lasgun that has good monstrosity damage because I'm all ears

[regal pendant]

Which has multiple other utilities as well

[spiral badger]

crit/burn on the fastest firing one

[regal pendant]

It's a shame because the fan revolver is one of my favorite guns but it just

Sucks so hard

[spiral badger]

you just magdump at them and they die

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KZyqPnaSm7M

[marsh gyro]

I stopped using the fast firing recon on account of ammo economy compared to the other two and figure what the heck might as well try again

[spiral badger]

you gotta take Shock Trooper

"critical hits with las weapons take no ammo"

[marsh gyro]

Yeah Shock trooper extends it about 25% bc of the internal cooldown and the 25% ammo node helps further

[spiral badger]

but yeah they should make fan fire punch through at least some armor

imo

let me at least fan fire into a crowd and get like 15 poxies

that would give it some unique utility as a burst weapon

[opaque crown]

Give it dead aim effects, have to fan the whole mag but it auto aims for heads within proximity

[heavy geyser]

fan fire revolver needs a six shot cylinder. five isn't enough.

[opaque crown]

i do think 6 just makes more sense

not for mechanical reasons

but beacause its a cowboy six shooter

[heavy geyser]

you really feel the missing beat in the rhythm

[soft summit]

When does Arbites drop again?

[heavy geyser]

like KZA said, its cool but it doesn't really "do" anything.

Arbites is on Monday.

[distant surge]

im playing with a stab build

and its my favorite thing ever

tiny knife

im so fast

[marsh gyro]

It turns out the shotgun shells on top of the Arbites pump shotgun aren't for show and it's your visible limited stock of special shells:
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/dev-blog-arbites-weaponry/109108

[distant surge]

Nice

I like those details

[regal pendant]

Nice

[fierce marten]

You can probably fire swap to melee then back to gun fire faster

So the zarona one doesn't fall that much behind on rapid fire either

[fierce marten]

Are you playing zealot

I guess psyker with mettle, gaze, and one more I forget could get faster than zealot

You'd be the fastest glass cannon

[distant surge]

Im playing zealot! Yes

Btw, what perks would yall recommend for zealot knife?

[fierce marten]

Carapace/unyielding for stealth knife zealot. Uncanny Strike to ignore crusher armor and makes it easy to 1 shot, other blessing it depends

Fleshtearer is good for boss damage and horde clear, everything that isn't a boss will bleed to death after a second

[distant surge]

[fierce marten]

2nd blessing there's quite a few good ones

When I play knife stealth zealot I am always in the backlines killing gunners so fleshtearer is good for effectively one shotting the scab shotgunner and gunners

My reasoning instead of doing a punch into heavy stab multiple times and targeting one at a time with fleshtearer one light swipe will hit multiple and still kill them

So that time I save I use it to move onto the next gunner pack.

Mercy Killer/precog is like the big boss damage on.

Riposte good for crit fishing

[distant surge]

I have kind of a crit build going on actually

[distant surge]

i love stabbin

[fierce marten]

Welcome to the knife gang

May you zoomies

[marsh gyro]

I like the Mk6 knife

[fierce marten]

Also if you alt melee then LMB it's a heavy stab

And shove attack is heavy stab

[marsh gyro]

both of the push attacks on the 2 knives actually have pretty good cleave values and so if you run Psyker you can stab more than you expect

[distant surge]

[frank igloo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znKesPa6Tpw one of the new cutscenes

[distant surge]

aaaaa

the revolver can just delete crushers

i love it

also i like the cutscene

i just dont like how equipament wise they look like a completely different regiment

like they didnt just get new stuff right? like shouldnt the masked troops look somewhat similar to their corrupted counter parts?

[fierce marten]

Trappers are getting ridiculous
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/HzgGKmcL1P

[distant surge]

lmao

a trapper once pulled me into the enemy spawn zone, players could not cross it so i just died there

[fierce marten]

A teammate was pulled behind a wall and got downed from bursters that spawned inside the door and we tried finding some way to revive them but after like 30 seconds they said. "leave me go" and we solemnly moved on

[heavy geyser]

Your stuff gets changed when you become Chaos

They were a regular legion before whoever that is showed up.

[dawn totem]

I wasn't so sure about the Abarties, but I'm loving how they've been introduced in the overarching story.

Wow the rejects are going to give them so much crap.

[spiral badger]

i'm interested in how it's going to be portrayed

are the arbites going to be like, this is just tuesday on tertium

or is there gonna be a "oh jesus fuck what the hell is this shit?" moment

<rejects> welcome to our last 3 months

[distant surge]

so chaos corruption also changes equipament? i mean i thougth it made your equippament yucky like giving it flesh growths and tentacles

i didnt think it could like...make your helmet spiky

thought they modified that themselves

[marsh gyro]

Every Chaos God sprinkles spikes on their devout like a piñata dispensing candy

[frank igloo]

The gear you get from hestia is the same as the 6th's stuff, just different colors

[distant surge]

their gas masks are very different looking tho!

[frank igloo]

Its the same

For the shooters

[distant surge]

these ones?

[opaque crown]

You know it hasn't happened recently but I used to get thrown out of the map by chaos spawn with startling frequency

[spiral badger]

They've made repeated changes to make it less likely

Mostly by placing automatic throw triggers around walls so the mutants and spawns always rotate first

[marsh gyro]

We had one where last ogryn standing got thrown into the inside of a closed shipping container on Consignment Yard finale which let them chip down boss and crowd until they got grabbed by the spawn out of the container, thrown away, and could rescue rest of the team

[fierce marten]

I hope the banter is good, I loves that about vermintide 2. I want a lot of you're out of your depth arbites try shouting about the Lex to that dude sitting in the middle of the street

[frank igloo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKlOqGVK9cE

[frank igloo]

given the video above, the two main weaknesses of the dog wrt specials are trappers and bursters, it just straight up shuts down plague dogs and mutants even when theyve grabbed you

[marsh gyro]

Does the dog get netted separately?

[fierce marten]

I think dog is just completely untargetable and invincible

[distant surge]

I want the arbites shotgun

[frank igloo]

yeah the dog is completely immune to everything

[distant surge]

Good

[fierce marten]

I like the look of the elite keystone so doggo is my specialist guard dog but it seems to attack bursters regardless of distance

[distant surge]

Maybe something they could fix with balancing?

Like i said i think they should either disarm the burster while pouncing it or have the lil guy ignore bursters

[regal pendant]

Oh that arbites name is fucking rancid lmaooooooooo

[spiral badger]

oh my god lmao

[distant surge]

let me see

i dont get it

[spiral badger]

google "40% police"

[distant surge]

something tells me i shoulndt laugh at this

[fierce marten]

Ngl I thought it was a futurama bender joke but damn

Oh boy we're gonna be bullying monsters off cliffs

https://youtu.be/jKlOqGVK9cE?t=223

[fierce marten]

Hmm it looks like now the dog can one shot most specialists except against burster it only pushes and does really low damage

Also heretics are learning to dance https://youtu.be/jKlOqGVK9cE?t=1104

[marsh gyro]

I sat and looked at a guide on Havoc modifiers for the first time and they're really throwing the kitchen sink at folks, that's a lot of monsters and buffed monster HP
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

[fierce marten]

We're back to gunners groups shredding

Havoc is a cycle

[opaque crown]

Gotta bring out da shield and protec da Lil uns

[marsh gyro]

After running braced revolver / power sword weapon spec vet a bunch I tried it with a plasma and it was night and day and so I'm more convinced than ever we need a plasma pistol

[fierce marten]

Plasma Pistol would be amazing

[tender kernel]

still waiting for melta

(eventhough I can't play the game with my computer)

[fierce marten]

Plasma gun is going to get a change in the future

[marsh gyro]

Yeah they're looking at the light attacks specifically IIRC

[fierce marten]

Yea basically LMB spam is ideal rn

[marsh gyro]

It's entirely because LMB shots don't explode you

the whole "can one shot a rager or gunner at 100% accuracy" is incidental, every gun should do that

[fierce marten]

Its also time efficient, many things just die to one shot and the radius of charge isnt huge so why charge

Just fire multiple one shots that cleave like a monster

It is fun though

[marsh gyro]

Yeah you get 3 lmb plinks to 1 RMB charge on the heat efficiency so that's where my money is they're going to change the numbers to 2 shots to 1

[fierce marten]

Arbites tomorrow, its going to be barktide for the next few days

[opaque crown]

I actually kind of figure they'll try to make charge shots more attractive too, rather than just nerf the basic shot

Try to make the risk more worth it or change the way the risk presents itself

[fierce marten]

I figure its both

Nerf LMB a bit, probably have it explode you still. Make RMB stronger

[drowsy tusk]

https://youtube.com/shorts/xZnRbq1JsoM?si=TkiQgRw7ELPG_YFL

Discussion of assassins cause we were talking about that vaguely recently

[heavy geyser]

I had this vision earlier. What do you think?

[fierce marten]

Keystoneless wasn't enough, now we got auraless

[drifting prism]

The aura farmer got 'em

[distant surge]

Imagine an arbites trying to explain to an Ogryn what law he broke

[fierce marten]

In the theme of 40k characters love ogyrns. Ogyrns are probably the only one arbites explain the Lex to, everyone else gets shot on sight of treason or a warning if they're lucky

[spiral badger]

also you can correct ogryns pretty consistently by slapping them upside the head and telling them to not do that

[fierce marten]

Usually you don't even have to do that, if they see you as a friend they inclined to follow orders

Whether or not they can understand the order or if the order is a lie is another thing

[heavy geyser]

I like that they have an anti-corruption talent that's themed after this.

[opaque crown]

Gotta be a literal and broad as possible with orders to an ogryn. It's not impossible that if you haven't trained them already, interpretive room creates catastophe

Like "take cover", if not pre staged, or without a bone'ead, might result in them literally picking up and taking cover

[fierce marten]

I'm sure a arbites prefers that, Ogyrn is trying to follow the Lex. A citizen that withholds information from an arbites is very much intentionally doing something with ulterior motives even if it's like a noble one like protecting their family they put the Lex above all*

[worldly talon]

I like to think this is the reason for the Big Box of Hurt

"Here, Ogryn. Take these and throw them at the enemy."
"Throw 'dem at da enemy...GOT IT, SAH!"

[frank igloo]

I know its for balance reasons but the ogryn picking up a single grenade box and manifesting like 2 of them out of the ether is funny

[spiral badger]

he had the other whole time, he just needed the reminder

[distant surge]

I wonder what nickname the Ogryn will give to the arbites

[fierce marten]

I forget the line where an ogyrn personality wants to learn to read and someone offers. I dont remember if its a PC or NPC. If its a NPC they should have a line where arbites teach an Ogyrn to read the Lex but nothing else

[drowsy vine]

Plate-face is what the bodyguard calls em

[drowsy vine]

Arbites 2nite

Exciting

[fierce marten]

ETA 9 hours according to steam

Time to join lobbies with nothing but low level arbites with XP curios

[regal pendant]

I'll probably go round as a higher level character to help folks

[regal pendant]

Holy fucking bingle

[drowsy vine]

holy jesus

it's him

[worldly talon]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-wh40k-sly-marbo-aaaaaa-alfabusa-gif-14316691

[regal pendant]

...til that smoke bombs count for Veteran's Long Bomb penance

[drowsy vine]

<@&1042950387478560878> balance/narrative update is out, arbites a bit later today

Evis heavy strikedown special attack can now two shot crushers to the head and one shot maulers to the body

[crystal sluice]

waow

[fierce marten]

Also no damage cap of 4, times time to heavy evis it up

[distant surge]

Good nickname

[neon nymph]

Oh right there's like a narrative campaign

Which
Hmmmm

Ehh, sod it, we've not had new stuff in years, I'll try it out

[lost cave]

Uh oh.

[frank igloo]

One of the zealot personalities

[fierce marten]

Seems like you cant hold a gun, need a hand?

[marsh gyro]

Gonna have to wait for a hotfix on my end to test the new goodies, I'm a victim of a new particular crash on operative loadout where if your Ogryn had a Karsolas pickaxe with a certain trinket the world won't load:
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/known-issue-unit-not-found-id-6e94f2f24a8bbaf5-assertion-failed-world-resource-manager/109270/12

[drowsy vine]

uh oh

[lost cave]

THEY TOOK ME FOOKIN' ARMS! CAN'T 'AVE SHEIT ON TERTIUM!

[marsh gyro]

The grimperor needed them

[lost cave]

I think the update broke the game a little bit. The game won't stop telling me about my new curio slots.

[fierce marten]

The secret 4th curio slot

[fierce marten]

Sold them, needed the thrones

One nonarbites thing im looking forward to is auric mortis trials

[drowsy tusk]

Call em the hammer of heretics cause he headbutts them

[drowsy vine]

thats right

[fierce marten]

Need a Power Helmet

Thunder Helm

Me furiously refreshing the steam page to buy the DLC

Not even going to play it right away but I want to buy it now

[distant surge]

u still planning on naming your Cop "Sesbian Lex"?

[fierce marten]

Yes, unless i can squeeze in something else thematic for arbites

17 character limit is rough

[distant surge]

whats the dog gonna be called?

[fierce marten]

I Am the Jaw

[distant surge]

lmao

im wondering if i should keep the bork theme going

all my characters have bork in their name

(grover and rover were also good name suggestions)

[fierce marten]

I have no idea how i'd fit bork but I would try. I cant think of anything besides Arborkties or lookup arbite names in case one could fit a bork

[distant surge]

i named my zealot "SaintBorkestine"

[fierce marten]

Thats amazing

[distant surge]

wait

what about Judge Bork?

[marsh gyro]

Arborktes and Borktide are my votes

[fierce marten]

Looking at arbites wiki for ranks ive decided on GrandSesbianLex

[distant surge]

i like that

[drowsy tusk]

Im tempted to call my dog 4x bimpy or some other xl bully type shit

[tough compass]

Human name: Bork. Dog name: Associates

[marsh gyro]

Puppy DLC is now buyable and active, though it's probably gonna be a while before the hotfix that fixes my crashing - estimated time of arrival of before the weekend, definitely not today

[fierce marten]

I wanted to play the intro before I go but I get a name validation error every any name

Cant believe character creation got power crept

Ope just as i complained it worked

And nvm it gave me a backend error and didnt create my character, im guessing servers are swamped ill wait until it dies down

[opaque crown]

im real split on if i want Laezel or Kerillian as my voice

[fierce marten]

I went with fatalist which i think is laezel?

The voices I thought would be more shouty like in the trailer where it shouts I AM THE LEX

Ope a warning I logged in with another character to check curios, if you opt to do the prologue your cany access the shops right away

[frank igloo]

the authoritarian is surprisingly upbeat with the other cops

[fierce marten]

Finally a mount in darktide https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/Rj2wEzrtpX

[regal pendant]

Lol

[opaque crown]

yall think its worth to play through the campaign if youre already a max level player?

[drowsy tusk]

Prolly yea

[distant surge]

I wanna see all the "something cop" names

[marsh gyro]

Yeah the campaign has adjustible difficulty levels, it's the pips over the mission image, so you can play it as tough a threat level as you like

[marsh gyro]

Turns out if you have the ogryn loading crash you can mash space on the loading screen before the ogryn loads to get in, so I got to play a bit with the buffed shock mauls / eviscerators / tac axes / devil's claws - it's a good time for melee blending on veteran and zealot, looks like

[fierce marten]

Evicersator I'm excited about

Relic blade is nice but evicersator puts crowds on its ass the stagger is strong

Even on wide LMB

[marsh gyro]

fast run on the tac axes pairs nicely with fast run on the combat shotguns

[fierce marten]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/9RAd1aDVwM

[vapid maple]

Not sure if I want to run the male or female fatalist

[fierce marten]

I want to see what new devil's claw is like

Also love you get to customize your arbites but you're probably never gonna see your head without a helm ob

[regal pendant]

They changed Devil's Claw?

[fierce marten]

Combat shotgun, claw, evicersator, and shock maul got buffed

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/520842750961123617?l=english

Very bottom

[vapid maple]

male fatalist it is

[lost cave]

Damn I wish I wasn't broke right now those acolyte/interrogator outfits in the store looks fresh as hell.

[regal pendant]

SALTZPYRE???????????

[finite nymph]

Now give Rapier/Pistol, Darktide, gib it

[regal pendant]

Veteran got that Van Helsing type fit

[lost cave]

The first three look amazing and then you got the ogryn trying his best and succeeding.

[worldly talon]

I keep going back to Kraal

Because I can't decide which voice I actually like

[drowsy tusk]

Gimme your reviews so far on the voices so I can pick easier when I get off work lol

[spiral badger]

i am obligated by requirement to pick Elf Mark 2

[soft summit]

Aside from the Arbiter, any new content?

[spiral badger]

yes

the story is a whole story mode now

[soft summit]

Nice

[spiral badger]

which takes you through the missions in an order with specific narration explaining why you're doing each one

[heavy geyser]

the male maul is so over the top

[opaque crown]

i wonder if you can do some disgusting stuff with coward culling combo'd witht he nuncio aquila

[fierce marten]

Huh Sesbian is blocked by the filter in character creation. RIP Grand Sesbian Lex

Its specifically Sesbian too. esbian is fine

Or any word ending in esbian

My workaround is Grand Sesbean Lex

[worldly talon]

Only run female voices but

I'm sort of leaning towards Fatalist but I haven't played it enough to get the real personality going (also it's Bae'zel)

[dull parrot]

Very impressed by the “story campaign” really allowing the voice actors to flex

[worldly talon]

Maul is Kerillian and the VA is obviously having the time of her life

I was really not that impressed with Authoritarian

Neat accent, but it's just kind of bland

[drowsy tusk]

Thank you for the info imma prolly be kerillian gaming

[finite nymph]

hogh, been enough time they've reset my Veteran talents, I forgot how overwhelming a feeling this was

[fierce marten]

An all time classic https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/qFXANo4bS0

[rocky dagger]

<@&1042950387478560878> THE ARBITER IS HERE COME AND UPHOLD THE LAW

[heavy geyser]

The Authoritarian is Lae'zel according to the post they did

The fem Fatalist is extremely grim

[cloud hazel]

isn't it spelt fataleist

[heavy geyser]

that's a different archetype

[white portal]

I'm giving them a go as well

I cast dog explosion

[regal pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/jojos-killer-queen-detonate-gif-7376373

That new Veteran outfit in the vestures kicks ass

New revolver skin's neat too, it's just that old skull revolver but with a nice wood grip and some brass embellishments

[opaque crown]

we can all play inquisitors now

[regal pendant]

I can be my boy Saltzpyre

[fierce marten]

A funnny thing about 4 arbites is when all dogs stunlock a crusher

That crusher never got a chance

[quiet escarp]

How so? Only because I had been considering choosing her on account of her goofy faux Russian accent made me think of fluffing her as the my Loner psyker's sister

[fierce marten]

As someone used to fanatic or cutthroat, all the voices seem so quiet and calm

[distant surge]

I wish i made a wee woo noise when playing Arbites

[fierce marten]

Mod to replace dog on a chase to a pinged enemy with patrick from spongebob saying wee woo

[distant surge]

thats a great idea

[neat dew]

My Arbiter was from the big shrine world in the Moebian Domain, and one of the heirs, or former heirs, that survived the collapse of a bunch of Moebian noble houses. So she wound up at the Schola Progenium, and got commendations for being one of the biggest bullies of her class. Just gotta figure out her defining moment now.

[quiet escarp]

I think I'm honestly leaning most towards the male Fatalist, only because he's really reminding me of some of the Dawn of War VAs

[neat dew]

Which VA?

[quiet escarp]

Michael Geary is the Fatalist VA, but honestly I can't put my finger on who from Dawn of War he reminds me of. Just the voice feels like it would have fit as another member of the main squad in DoW2 or something

[neat dew]

Ahh, so definitely not “OUR ENEMIES HIDE IN METAL BOXES!” vibes

[worldly talon]

There just doesn't seem to be a lot of range

Could try it again

I've spend 200k on personality scourge to try all the voices, so I'm fine with continuing to do that. 😛

[quiet escarp]

Fair cop, no pun intended, I was thinking that might be the case

Ironically, the male Authoritarian seems to have more going on

[heavy geyser]

the new Psyker coat is unbelievably good

[drowsy vine]

Some immaculate drip going on today

[worldly talon]

honestly the one that's been going through my head the most

Is the TTS 'Arbites as Youtube Moderation' bit

"ATTENTION HERETICS. MULTIPLE THIRD PARTY INDIVIDUALS HAVE REPORTED ONE OR MORE OF YOUR RECENT ACTIONS AS BEING INAPPROPRIATE."

[vapid maple]

Male fatalist gives me detective vibes, which fits with the first premium cosmetic being a trenchcoat and there's a subdivions of the arbities that's all about doing detective work

I think the male authoritarian throws me off with the accent part, but knowing it's also the voice actor for sun wukong, it makes a bit more sense in a "western version of east Asian accent" kinda thing ala three kingdoms

Also damn they really didn't hold back on the dog augmentation gorhorror, as it should be with how augmentation works in 40k

[fierce marten]

The premium version one imo looks too clean for 40k

Its cool but they could have kept some of a, this isnt a dog in armor its one step away from something a tech priest would respect

Also I forget to double ping so much for my doggo im almost tempted to take the forbidden keystone

[marsh gyro]

oh is double ping how you tell the dog to dog

[fierce marten]

It's kind of awkward in case you ping an odd number of times

Cause if there's a specialist off in the distance I just spam ping and hope I get 2 on the specialist

[neat dew]

Officer of the Lex, Lethisma, and her Cyber-Mastiff Vortane (named after Marshall Vortern, sorta)

[heavy geyser]

the dog cosmetic where its a robot head but still a dog lower jaw and neck is probably the most body horror of the lot

the reverse raiden one

[fierce marten]

Must be American, had health insurance but no dental so they left it in place

[neat dew]

I love how wonky the animations for the cyber-mastiffs is.

Like watching one teammate's doggo zip off the bridge at mach 50

Bye have a great time

[heavy geyser]

My dog flung itself off a cliff and we got to watch its nametag slowly sink into the abyss

[soft summit]

Did they survive

[vapid maple]

Yup, she needs her paycheck too

[signal current]

Alright gonna try out this new update for ourselves

Been ages since we played darktide

[distant surge]

Does the cop dlc get the bork of approval?

[opaque crown]

I like it, haven't gotten to level 30 yet

But it's a very fun class

[neat dew]

You can name your doggo, and pet it

A full squad of Arbite players is fucking busted

[opaque crown]

It's really funny

[neat dew]

Special enemies do not stand a chance with four cyber-mastiffs around.

[fierce marten]

.It always pounces way faster than I expect, I expect like pox hound ive got seconds before I need to worry about it. Our good doggo just like anime teleports basically

Its also fun when we all mark the same bulwark and that one bulwark gets absolutely wrecked

[opaque crown]

Bosses also just get mobbed

[fierce marten]

I like how dogs can just stick to bosses

And it really confuses them

I was worried like, how good can dog be late game but being able to like reduce a boss's threat in half cause its just attacking your dog half the time is a godsend when you have like captains and 2 monsters

Strongest CC

[regal pendant]

Dog in general seems somewhat overtuned

Though I haven't taken my Arbiter out of Malice yet so maybe that's the issue

[soft summit]

Anyone else have any build advice for the Arbiter?

[marsh gyro]

Dog nodes are on the left, shooty nodes in the middle, punchy nodes in the right, you can't go wrong either way

[fierce marten]

Arbites wouldnt be the first time Fatshark power crept new classes

In Vermintide 2 you could see the timeline of when each DLC career came out based on least meta to most meta.

[drowsy tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-7433931244412524776

complaining made it worse 😦

[marsh gyro]

Download got lost in the warp

[white portal]

I have been building an arbites

I'm fairly sure I've just been investing as hard as I can into dog

Dog shall be my weapon

[neat dew]

Dog gang represent

Dog and hammer for me

No shield and hammer for me. Just one handed hammer, shotgun, and doggo. All skills in hammer and doggo

[spiral badger]

lol the names in my present game lined up
Mercy, Dredd, Hatred, Trevor

[white portal]

I'm going Dog and Toughness

concentrating on the dog taking down elites while I'm tough

I also cast DOG EXPLOSION

rather than grenades

[fierce marten]

The dog EMP is good for bulwark packs

[white portal]

Pretty good for any armour group

and really strong when they cling on to bosses

it chunks

It's also a resource light mechanic. I don't need grenades any more. I enjoy supporting the team by being tough and not needing resources.

[fierce marten]

4 dogs shut down bosses they're too busy getting the dog off

[white portal]

Also, my character's name is Crusher, she uses a Crusher, and her dog is Ordained Priest

so she always has one by her side